**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 21 02:59:57 2011 Sep 21 03:00:05 <|Jason8|> Anything that uses the camera? Crashes to home-screen Sep 21 03:00:09 Thats an app issue, and how the devs dont like to fully update their shit Sep 21 03:00:09 <|Jason8|> Boot loops? seen it. Sep 21 03:00:20 agreed, it's an app issue Sep 21 03:00:27 not an OS issue Sep 21 03:00:29 Never have that issue with camera Sep 21 03:00:34 <|Jason8|> The inbuilt camera app crashes. Sep 21 03:00:38 Nope Sep 21 03:00:43 <|Jason8|> anything that accesses the camera crashes Sep 21 03:00:45 <|Jason8|> It's not on every phone Sep 21 03:00:48 <|Jason8|> And a restore fixes it Sep 21 03:00:56 Your mom crashes... come on man... you dont even have a clue Sep 21 03:01:07 One out of how many thousands of phones, |Jason8| Sep 21 03:01:09 ? Sep 21 03:01:12 <|Jason8|> Sorry bro, just sharing my experiences with people. Sep 21 03:01:38 I hear you... its unlike how stock webOS needs a battery pull at least once a day. Sep 21 03:01:38 <|Jason8|> IGNTNUNLMTD: Problems still happen. Sep 21 03:01:44 though its not as bad as blackberry Sep 21 03:02:03 <|Jason8|> Not saying it's got kernel panics once an hour Sep 21 03:02:05 yeah, shit, if you think iOS is bad, what do you think about Android's reliability? Sep 21 03:02:05 lol Sep 21 03:02:09 <|Jason8|> but it does happen Sep 21 03:02:13 However, problems happen when the apps break the IOS sandbox Sep 21 03:02:16 thats an app issue Sep 21 03:02:30 thats what cause the leaks and the crashes Sep 21 03:02:37 <|Jason8|> The OS shouldn't allow it. Sep 21 03:03:14 name an OS that doesn't Sep 21 03:03:40 <|Jason8|> Exactly. Sep 21 03:04:08 <|Jason8|> But everyone always holds iOS up and says it's perfect, safe, secure. Sep 21 03:04:14 iOS is the last one I'd criticize, to be fair, though Sep 21 03:04:20 it's miles ahead in that regard Sep 21 03:04:25 Never did I say it was perfect Sep 21 03:04:47 Just that you cant break it as a user. Sep 21 03:05:05 <|Jason8|> And define break... Sep 21 03:05:14 <|Jason8|> I'd consider a boot loop, regardless of reason, a broken OS. Sep 21 03:05:41 The only boot loops I have seen are on jailbroken/restored os Sep 21 03:06:28 <|Jason8|> After playing with the TouchPad, I really wish I could pick up a Pre3 for Sprint. Sep 21 03:06:30 <|Jason8|> :( Sep 21 03:06:38 <|Jason8|> Just to see how it works as a phone. Sep 21 03:06:47 <|Jason8|> WebOS, that is. Sep 21 03:07:10 wubwubwub Sep 21 03:08:00 ^ dubstep is old news Sep 21 03:08:17 ouch Sep 21 03:08:25 And take off those empty glasses. Sep 21 03:09:45 No, but seriously, I used to love it and now it's just... too much, and not enough innovation Sep 21 03:10:20 Whats that? Sep 21 03:10:27 bah, you youngins with your newfangled music! Sep 21 03:10:32 * halfhalo goes to listen to CCR Sep 21 03:12:00 CTLAdvance: Dubstep as a genre. Sep 21 03:12:10 ah yeah... Sep 21 03:14:36 you're probably just listening to bad dubstep Sep 21 03:15:31 hey all Sep 21 03:15:34 so looks like admob is dropping all webOS support on Sept 30th Sep 21 03:16:21 yep Sep 21 03:16:31 Do we have a better suitor Sep 21 03:16:43 * DougReeder waves to PatrickC Sep 21 03:16:56 hey PatrickC Sep 21 03:17:07 hey eighthree DougReeder Sep 21 03:17:18 was there ever much money in admob? Sep 21 03:19:28 Yes Sep 21 03:19:35 well back before google bought admob Sep 21 03:19:48 I feel that google really failed with admob Sep 21 03:20:12 google fails with everything Sep 21 03:20:21 though, it could also be that people saw what was happening with WebOS and no one wanted to buy add space Sep 21 03:20:27 goog fails hard Sep 21 03:20:58 but then again, I didnt have any issues with iad before they restricted it to apple only Sep 21 03:21:03 I forget what that was called Sep 21 03:22:02 I have a feeling that the reason (only) that android has high fill rates is because google knows everything about you, so its easier to target ads Sep 21 03:22:22 * CTLAdvance waves at PatrickC Sep 21 03:22:33 John Kneeland is now CFO of HP - http://twitpic.com/6nyqtq Sep 21 03:23:00 summatusmentis: Suggestions: give them to me. Sep 21 03:23:00 hey CTLAdvance Sep 21 03:23:04 get the email? Sep 21 03:23:09 yep Sep 21 03:23:17 anyone with a pre3 in here? have a question Sep 21 03:23:18 |Jason8|: me too. I wish I jumped the deal when the pre 2 was $50... pre 3 for $50 would also be nice Sep 21 03:23:24 preware *must* be installed Sep 21 03:23:28 IGNTNUNLMTD: I don't really listen to dubstep Sep 21 03:23:31 lol Sep 21 03:23:34 <|Jason8|> yup Sep 21 03:23:37 that's just my standard hipster response to people who complain about a genre Sep 21 03:23:47 haha Sep 21 03:23:57 <|Jason8|> Bux: Gonna pick up an original pre to tinker with Sep 21 03:24:09 some of the dubstep I've listened to I like, but I'm in no way someone who knows everything there is to know about dubstep Sep 21 03:24:10 I just feel like I've exhausted the genre; I'm onto electro Sep 21 03:24:14 DougReeder: Did you have a different add company Sep 21 03:24:17 ad Sep 21 03:24:36 |Jason8| and Bux: I'd pay $600 for a Verizon Pre 3. Sep 21 03:24:40 not sure if I could cope with the tiny screen and wimpy kp tho Sep 21 03:25:01 kb keyboard Sep 21 03:25:19 I would maybe buy an AT&T pre3, or .eu pre3, for $300 Sep 21 03:25:25 _maybe_ Sep 21 03:25:28 I don't do ad-supported sw. If that's the future of sw I'll find another career Sep 21 03:26:09 I dont either, but it is worth adding to lite versions or demos Sep 21 03:26:10 webOS really needs a better browser Sep 21 03:26:25 Bux: WebOS needs updated roll of webKit Sep 21 03:26:35 entirely Sep 21 03:26:48 Though 3.0 made it better Sep 21 03:26:48 that Sep 21 03:26:49 ugh, things are starting to break in more recent versions of chrome Sep 21 03:27:37 [08:25 PM] Bux: WebOS needs updated roll of webKit Sep 21 03:27:37 [08:25 PM] entirely Sep 21 03:27:42 er Sep 21 03:27:53 * summatusmentis is copying ALL the music to his new Pre2 Sep 21 03:28:07 wow, there a brilliant idea that HP probably hasnt though of yet. update webkit! Sep 21 03:28:18 give that man an award. Sep 21 03:28:22 summatusmentis: just built? Sep 21 03:28:24 for a while, it was like they were rocking like it was 2009 Sep 21 03:28:25 awesome! Sep 21 03:28:32 rwatkins, radical idea Sep 21 03:28:33 PatrickC: earlier this evening Sep 21 03:28:44 awesome! Sep 21 03:28:45 rwatkins: but has anyone thought of doing that instead of custom kernels for performance? Sep 21 03:28:55 "custom webkits"? Sep 21 03:28:56 see you should just tell them these thigns, and then maybe next week it will be done? Sep 21 03:28:58 PatrickC: indeed, I really like it so far Sep 21 03:29:20 rwatkins: When someone rolls a custom webkit can we also get different browser agents Sep 21 03:29:23 summatusmentis: I'm hopin we (me and my family) switch to AT&T soon Sep 21 03:29:34 if they don't, I might go AT&T prepaid Sep 21 03:29:39 have at it, I'm sure its trivial to roll your own webkit. Sep 21 03:29:44 I have some offline flash videos that came with this medical cd that dosnt work on my tp but works with androids browser Sep 21 03:29:49 PatrickC: yeh, I'm still conetmplating switching to T-Mobile for this veer :) Sep 21 03:30:02 T-Mo?! Sep 21 03:30:03 Yeah, it cant be hard at all... Sep 21 03:30:08 no... please.. no Sep 21 03:30:10 lol Sep 21 03:30:14 Hell PatrickC has rolled his like 4 times. Sep 21 03:30:22 t-mo has pretty decent plan pricing Sep 21 03:30:23 huh? lol Sep 21 03:30:43 * CTLAdvance adds down a hill silently in the night Sep 21 03:30:58 yep Sep 21 03:31:05 and it was 5 times Sep 21 03:31:16 uh sorry Sep 21 03:31:31 lol Sep 21 03:31:34 or maybe just maybe, its a hard job upgrading webkit with all the things it ties into, likely the large architecture chagnes in it over the last couple yers, adn its a fairly significant project HP already has underway. Sep 21 03:31:39 maybe. Sep 21 03:32:06 CTLAdvance: windows 8 to run on ARM soon Sep 21 03:32:20 PatrickC: when are you getting your pre3? Sep 21 03:32:21 Yeah? Where have you been, under a rock? Sep 21 03:32:22 Id be nice to at least build the version that comes with it Sep 21 03:32:26 :) Sep 21 03:32:32 eighthree: friday at the latest Sep 21 03:32:39 CTLAdvance: heh... Sep 21 03:32:45 sooner than mine :o Sep 21 03:32:56 PatrickC: I have been doing all of my webOS dev in the version of IE10 that shipped with the preview Sep 21 03:32:57 lol Sep 21 03:33:07 CTLAdvance: really? awesome Sep 21 03:33:27 that doesn't say "Patrick, I've been doing all my dev in a Windows 8 Chroot on my touchpad" though Sep 21 03:33:28 :P Sep 21 03:33:35 nope Sep 21 03:33:42 ARM wasnt released... Sep 21 03:33:45 :( Sep 21 03:33:48 yet Sep 21 03:33:49 :/ Sep 21 03:33:53 And if it was, it would need a port Sep 21 03:34:04 ugh Sep 21 03:34:07 I'm sure it would be done in notime :) Sep 21 03:34:46 i think i checked but don't remember… is there a copy and paste patch for webos? Sep 21 03:35:03 wait, doesnt it support copy and paste Sep 21 03:35:08 I don't know but you should get on Skype, eighthree! Sep 21 03:35:30 Aye aye sir! Sep 21 03:35:34 eighthree: umm.. webOS supports copy/paste... Sep 21 03:35:46 a patch for it Sep 21 03:35:52 copy/paste is implemented fairly poorly though, I'm not sure if he means a patch to 'fix' it Sep 21 03:35:56 why have I had like 30 visitors at one time... and no registrations :/ Sep 21 03:37:09 seretogis: it's pretty good on the touchpad Sep 21 03:37:20 because people wont register for some shabby site called tablet supportforums Sep 21 03:37:21 its easy to do Sep 21 03:37:31 CTLAdvance: my beta forums :) Sep 21 03:37:34 oh Sep 21 03:37:41 not Tablet Support Forum :) Sep 21 03:37:47 because people dont want to register for PatrickCshabby beta forums Sep 21 03:37:54 ;) Sep 21 03:38:08 whats your awesome app website PatrickC Sep 21 03:38:11 CTLAdvance: its Awesome Apps' Shabby Shack Sep 21 03:38:14 I had the link somewhere Sep 21 03:38:20 http://awesomeapps.cz.cc/forum Sep 21 03:38:20 That is awesome Sep 21 03:38:31 haha I should totally use that name Sep 21 03:38:32 not on phones though Sep 21 03:38:50 PatrickC and one guest are online Sep 21 03:38:52 BOOM Sep 21 03:39:14 You should roill your own android store like that and have app sales every day Sep 21 03:39:30 huh? lol Sep 21 03:39:32 Awesome Apps Shabby App Shack Deal Center Sep 21 03:39:35 my own android store Sep 21 03:40:13 Yes like everyone else was working on before goog removed its return policy Sep 21 03:40:24 lol Sep 21 03:40:54 And then they realized they couldnt sell apps on android because its full of dumbphone users Sep 21 03:41:15 thus came admob and adsense and we now have free scrabble! Sep 21 03:41:22 AWWW YEAAHHHH! Sep 21 03:41:30 "Yes, this app is open source, no it is not on github yet for reasons I am not allowed to say." ? Sep 21 03:41:31 lol Sep 21 03:41:44 oil: I'll PM you the reason Sep 21 03:41:54 dont Sep 21 03:41:56 ill tell everyone Sep 21 03:41:59 anyone have issues dialing numbers while on a call? :/ Sep 21 03:42:02 ok... Sep 21 03:42:05 I'm getting like.. no tone. Sep 21 03:42:11 heh Sep 21 03:42:15 oil: uses things that aren't public yet lol Sep 21 03:42:21 * PatrickC won't say what things Sep 21 03:42:53 let's just download it and look Sep 21 03:43:00 PatrickC is making porn apps Sep 21 03:43:03 perv. Sep 21 03:43:10 lol Sep 21 03:43:14 dwc-: ok.. Sep 21 03:43:16 patspornshack.com Sep 21 03:43:22 hah Sep 21 03:43:23 so.... can I just point out? if there's no source, it's not open source Sep 21 03:43:37 PatrickC: it's not spelt preferecnes Sep 21 03:43:38 well thats not true. Sep 21 03:43:39 summatusmentis: it *will* be open source Sep 21 03:43:42 it's android Sep 21 03:43:48 * PatrickC should update and say that Sep 21 03:43:48 seretogis: +1 Sep 21 03:43:49 He can release it whenever as long as its at somepoint Sep 21 03:44:10 GPLv3 Sep 21 03:44:43 CTLAdvance: depending on the license, he'd have to release it if anyone ever asked him for it Sep 21 03:44:56 thats true. Sep 21 03:45:17 he could also just license it ot himself under different terms Sep 21 03:45:19 a virtual item can be described in any way seen fit until it becomes an actual item, at which point the license can be viewed and will be enforced. Sep 21 03:45:46 My unicorn is GPLv3. You can't have it. Sep 21 03:45:52 doens't really look like there's any non-"source" here Sep 21 03:46:02 rwhitby: What model Sep 21 03:46:04 so for all intents and purposes... Sep 21 03:46:11 CTLAdvance: unlocked AT&T Sep 21 03:46:20 lol Sep 21 03:46:21 Damn YOU! Sep 21 03:46:24 :) Sep 21 03:49:37 * DougReeder waves to rwhitby Sep 21 03:49:47 What CTLAdvance said Sep 21 03:51:58 * summatusmentis ponders wifi-only'ing this veer, unlocking it, and trying out cheap prepaid sim cards with it for coverage Sep 21 03:52:30 * PatrickC can't use a veer... too small Sep 21 03:52:38 I can't type on the thing lol Sep 21 03:52:42 you Sep 21 03:52:49 are 16… so :P Sep 21 03:53:01 * CTLAdvance wants to use his veer to feel more hipsterish with such a small phone Sep 21 03:53:03 your fingers are probably the right size Sep 21 03:53:14 JAIL BAIT! Sep 21 03:53:35 Yeah the veer is to small... I will second that Sep 21 03:53:39 eighthree: 15, and I'm the size of a 20 year old :P Sep 21 03:53:50 riiight D: Sep 21 03:53:52 thats what he said Sep 21 03:53:56 people regularly thing I'm 18-20 lol Sep 21 03:54:11 I'm 6' 180LBS Sep 21 03:54:16 well... 190 haha Sep 21 04:00:34 psh right Sep 21 04:00:46 still 15… fits on a veer!~ Sep 21 04:06:52 jesus. Sep 21 04:06:56 look at all those leaves o_O Sep 21 04:07:10 it's like a tree in here Sep 21 04:07:25 weeee' Sep 21 04:11:03 I'm safe! Sep 21 04:12:28 heheh Sep 21 04:12:40 so whats the deal with the 850 Mhz on the UK pre 3's? Sep 21 04:24:08 no such thing Sep 21 04:34:13 rwhitby: its kinda lame that its on the specs page even if it isn't ;X Sep 21 04:35:11 well, it does quad-band GSM, so you'd get GPRS and maybe EDGE on 850, but most people asking that question are really asking about 3G support. Sep 21 04:36:55 I'm in canada. does this apply to me ;O Sep 21 04:37:30 depends on your carrier Sep 21 04:37:38 Fido :B Sep 21 04:57:47 I'm officially an android phone user :-( Sep 21 04:57:50 :( Sep 21 04:57:51 what Sep 21 04:57:52 whyyy Sep 21 04:57:56 also hi maik Sep 21 04:58:10 I needed a new phone and HP didn't deliver Sep 21 04:58:16 what happened Sep 21 04:59:27 my Pre is 2 years old and is behind the times, Sprint got the galaxy s2 and I got excited like a little school girl at the prospect of a dual core phone that rocks my socks, despite having an inferior os Sep 21 05:00:24 but its sprint Sep 21 05:00:26 :X Sep 21 05:00:33 I've still got webOS on my touchpad Sep 21 05:00:41 can you pair them :D Sep 21 05:00:46 S2 has a goooorgeous screen Sep 21 05:00:48 doesn it Sep 21 05:00:51 sprint is one pervs best carriers around here Sep 21 05:00:57 oooh I haven't tried Sep 21 05:01:06 yes, but its hoodge Sep 21 05:01:11 try try ;B Sep 21 05:01:19 almost too big for my liking Sep 21 05:03:39 oh Sep 21 05:03:41 HYYuuuuGE Sep 21 05:03:42 you mean Sep 21 05:03:51 * eighthree pets your pre Sep 21 05:05:21 maik, thats what she said Sep 21 05:05:37 its not seeing it in Bluetooth at all :-( Sep 21 05:05:43 wrea: hah Sep 21 05:08:48 ya, seems negative on bt Sep 21 05:09:00 swype is intersting Sep 21 05:12:43 maik: if you care to spring for it, when I was on android, I found that I really liked SwiftKey Sep 21 05:13:08 it trains itself to words that you use, and text patterns and so forth Sep 21 05:13:13 maik: turn bluetooth off/on Sep 21 05:13:14 ? Sep 21 05:13:21 hmm, ok, I might look into that if I find myself disgruntled Sep 21 05:13:23 and then recommends words to you based on what it thinks you're gonna say next Sep 21 05:13:23 swype is interesting ;p Sep 21 05:13:28 also.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCRUPWDIgYM Sep 21 05:13:28 eighteen: done did it Sep 21 05:13:31 for all of you ;b Sep 21 05:13:36 did it work ;O? Sep 21 05:14:14 which is pairing to who? TP -> GSII or TP <- GSII Sep 21 05:16:38 no pairing in either direction Sep 21 05:18:19 :( Sep 21 05:18:20 sad Sep 21 05:18:36 on the touchpad which mode did you try, Sep 21 05:18:40 audio/keyboard or .. Sep 21 05:20:11 all modes Sep 21 05:21:40 aw Sep 21 05:21:41 :( Sep 21 05:21:43 ah well Sep 21 05:22:21 i hope that even though hardware is dead webOS will like shoot up out of nowhere to rank one of the top 3 smartphone os' Sep 21 05:22:22 D: Sep 21 05:29:15 I wonder when I'll get my Veer back Sep 21 05:30:44 i hope you got it back soon Sep 21 05:30:48 get it* Sep 21 05:33:15 Doubt it Sep 21 05:36:33 If it doesnt get to the correct repair facility tomorrow, I'll be pissed Sep 21 05:37:01 where is it -now? Sep 21 05:38:38 I sent it to El Paso, TX Sep 21 05:38:51 The place they had me send it to. Sep 21 05:39:06 I think the correct one is also in TX Sep 21 05:43:19 Should have been there today if they sent it in time, but I doubt they did Sep 21 06:27:52 wrea: :( Sep 21 08:34:24 anyone awake Sep 21 08:34:43 nope Sep 21 08:34:46 :) Sep 21 08:38:02 rwhitby: derek wasn't answered to my PM in precentral forum :( Sep 21 08:49:40 * EricBlade is not awake either Sep 21 08:50:14 oh, thank god i was apparently in a netsplti earlier. i saw only 21 people here and i about freaked out Sep 21 08:55:40 EricBlade: we all hid from you Sep 21 08:55:59 well that's better than what i was thinking! Sep 21 08:56:12 thought 140+ people jumped ship Sep 21 09:31:39 rwhitby: Probably a pointless question, but presumably the GPS bug is not fixed on the Pre3? (I may have managed to get my paws on an ATT unit) Sep 21 09:58:17 Hendikins: not yet Sep 21 11:41:35 rwhitby: 1300/1800 disappears on a Pre2 as well. Sep 21 11:44:49 * Hendikins never noticed this, possibly because he's never actually tried to call a 1800 or 1300 number from his Pres (only 6 digit 13 numbers, and those do work) Sep 21 11:49:54 TouchPad dial app does it too. Wonder why. Sep 21 11:56:37 Hendikins: can you change Regional Phone formats to "Other" and try again? Sep 21 12:00:50 rwhitby: At the moment I am USB tethered via said phone and using the TouchPad for work stuff... so it will have to wait a couple of hours. Sep 21 12:00:59 no hurry Sep 21 12:01:21 one one of my Pre 3's "Other" still fails. On the dev Pre 3, "Other" works. Sep 21 12:01:47 So now that TMC is solved, that is the next item on my list. Sep 21 12:05:44 If my Pre3 shows up I'll bw giving the impersonation technique a shot. Sep 21 13:39:34 can I modify message or title of displayed showAlertDialog Sep 21 13:39:37 ? Sep 21 13:39:50 heh Sep 21 13:39:52 http://www.qwikster.com/soon1.jpg Sep 21 13:39:54 http://www.qwikster.com/soon2.jpg Sep 21 13:39:56 pls if someon knows Sep 21 13:40:00 couldnt even get the details right.. Sep 21 13:40:07 new table.. new bowl.. Sep 21 13:45:08 proof that webos is still greater! http://nashville.craigslist.org/mob/2595574172.html Sep 21 13:46:55 http://mobileRoundup.com/ will be great :) Sep 21 14:05:35 ah. now notifications r fixed :) Sep 21 14:46:55 rwhitby: "Other" for number format works on my TouchPad and Pre2 with 1300/1800. Sep 21 14:54:08 so... using my pre2 is like having 2.1 on my pre-, except that it actually works Sep 21 14:55:10 I can't help but think the Pre2 is somewhat underrated. It works. It is even reasonably robust. Sep 21 14:55:22 Although I do love my Pre 2 I must say it is quite unstable and buggy. Camera fails often, it reboots spontaneously often - often in mid call, the screen often starts flickering insanely, sometimes it goes berzerk and gets really hot etc etc. Sep 21 14:55:25 ;) Sep 21 14:55:52 summatusmentis: 2.1 works on your Pre-, but it crawls. on your Pre2 it actually jogs nicely :) Sep 21 14:55:53 My Pre2 has bounced several times when accidentally dropped, first time I dropped a Veer the screen smashed. Sep 21 14:56:07 So... although I *do* love it, it is not even close to the stability of my previous Galaxy phone. Sep 21 14:56:20 gokr: you may have a hardware failing phone, mine works flawlessly :D Sep 21 14:56:32 NuttyBunny: it's soooo smooth! Sep 21 14:56:50 Mmm. My camera for example, often when I open it up, I try to take a pic - it says "Can not take photo" or something and goes gray. Sep 21 14:56:54 gokr: I just got mine yesterday, but I did use to have those problems on my cobbled together pre- Sep 21 14:57:02 I then close Camera app, restart it, try again, and often it works. Sep 21 14:57:15 summatusmentis: YEAH!!! In fact I use my Pre2 and my Pre+, both on 2.1, of course, the Pre2 kicks the Pre+ ass, but it's quite usable on both Sep 21 14:57:31 gokr, summatusmentis: yep, the camera can be a PITA Sep 21 14:57:42 I still can't tap the thumbnail of the pic I just took - because there is some weird indexing issue with pics passing 100 (I dunno). But I can see the pic in the Photos app. Sep 21 14:57:43 close it and open it again.. hit and miss :@ Sep 21 14:58:35 Worst are the spontaneous reboots. I often pick up my phone just to realize it is sitting there waiting for the PIN code. Sigh. Have no idea how many calls I missed this say. Sep 21 14:58:45 way. Sep 21 14:59:21 NuttyBunny: For how long have you had it? Sep 21 14:59:26 gokr: that is actually quite weird. Mine doesn't do it. I have to reboot it every 4 days or so to keep it running. The bad thing is that it actually takes 8-10 minutes to boot luna Sep 21 14:59:36 Maybe I'm just lucky, but I haven't had camera issues or spontaneous reboots. Mind you, I seldom use the camera. Sep 21 14:59:38 gokr: April IIRC Sep 21 15:00:04 Yes, booting is horribly slow. and battery time is ... not good. Sep 21 15:00:21 my booting is approx. 2 minutes for a full boot Sep 21 15:00:24 I wonder how much is software issues and how much is hw. Sep 21 15:00:28 idk what yall's problems are :) Sep 21 15:00:31 strangely my pre+ is working really well and only needs a reboot every 2 weeks or so Sep 21 15:00:34 with 2.1 Sep 21 15:00:51 I did have to fix something to actually get compcache though Sep 21 15:00:57 I don't know if it's a bug in govnah Sep 21 15:01:02 Do agree about boot times and battery though, although I don't have 8 minute boot times... Sep 21 15:01:18 battery just dies so fast as soon as data is enabvled though :( Sep 21 15:01:26 BUT... my TP has never had any hickups at all in fact. Not that I remember. Sep 21 15:01:26 I do have issues with getting the wifi to behave on occasion, but I'm fine with using cellular data if it won't behave. Sep 21 15:02:26 on pre2's with govnah-controlled compcache do you actually have non-zero swap size? Sep 21 15:02:45 like when you type free in the console Sep 21 15:05:12 gokr: Boot time depends on how many files you have in your media partition, which includes all the applications and their data (those are encrypted, but in the same media partition). webOS does a file check (like a chkdsk, it's called fsck here) every single time it boots. Then it scans every app directory for the apps icons and info, it also connects to your accounts and starts syncronizing everything...... all at the same time.. Sep 21 15:05:15 and he left :P Sep 21 15:05:57 well I read it so you didn't type it for nothing :p Sep 21 15:06:01 Mandatory fsck? Sep 21 15:06:10 kind of like a marriage Sep 21 15:06:50 NuttyBunny: it... does? Sep 21 15:06:54 wow Sep 21 15:07:00 why the hell is it doing a fsck every single time? Sep 21 15:07:29 is it luna doing that or could that be disabled in some script/filesystem setting? Sep 21 15:07:48 Well if it is the latter, tune2fs should be able to deal with that IIRC. Sep 21 15:07:55 yeah Sep 21 15:07:58 yeah, tht's ridiculous Sep 21 15:10:09 NuttyBunny: is the fsck only of the / filesystem? Sep 21 15:10:12 summatusmentis: you can't know if a fat partition was left in a good or bad state, you have to check it every time. It can be disabled, but... it will lead to corruption if the phone reboots the wrong way Sep 21 15:10:47 that check is almost instant Sep 21 15:10:58 I mean Sep 21 15:11:05 the check for the flag saying it got shutdown properly Sep 21 15:11:06 Lazar_Dobrescu: /media is a fsck.vfat, it checks fully everytime. The other partitions are ext3 so they're journaled, they are checked way faster Sep 21 15:11:42 I wish Windows would support a sane filesystem for /media type things so we could dump FAT Sep 21 15:11:59 This is pretty much the _only_ reason devices use FAT... Sep 21 15:12:25 Since I don't hook my TouchPad or phones up to Windows machines, dumping FAT on that would be nice. Sep 21 15:12:25 the only reason devices use fat is that it's widely supported Sep 21 15:12:36 MS supports any MS filesystems Sep 21 15:13:03 /media/internal :p Sep 21 15:13:17 well, widely supported and widely licensed Sep 21 15:13:26 summatusmentis: I think I said that...... Oh, yes, I did. Sep 21 15:13:31 isn't FAT free these days? Sep 21 15:14:13 Khaytsus: you said "I wish windows would support a sane filesystem" and "this is pretty much the only reason we use FAT" Sep 21 15:14:25 FAT is an official standard for floppy disks Sep 21 15:14:37 but not when you have long filenames Sep 21 15:14:38 summatusmentis: This is pretty much the _only_ reason devices use FAT... Sep 21 15:14:42 summatusmentis: Not we use FAT Sep 21 15:14:48 Pednatic asshole. Sep 21 15:14:51 "we" being the computer industry Sep 21 15:14:52 From the "mountall.sh" file inside your phone: Sep 21 15:14:55 # We want to fsck /media/internal after every update. This should be Sep 21 15:14:56 # fast in the case we've already done it for some other reason -- Sep 21 15:14:56 # though at those times /var/.rootfs_fsck shouldn't exist. Note that Sep 21 15:14:56 # if / is mounted rw this will happen on every boot (see below). Sep 21 15:15:05 update Sep 21 15:15:08 yeah I was looking at that same thing NuttyBunny :) Sep 21 15:15:41