**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 22 02:59:56 2011 Sep 22 03:07:35 any of you here developing for the pre3? Sep 22 03:07:35 ;B Sep 22 03:11:24 I just released UberKernel for it, does that count? ;) Sep 22 03:14:04 rwhitby: I added the testing feed for 1.4.5, but it dosent seem to parse in preware. no error messages, however Sep 22 03:14:36 fudge_palm_: you've read testing.preware.org I presume Sep 22 03:15:07 * fudge_palm_ :)'s Sep 22 03:15:59 btw Sep 22 03:21:15 rwhitby: for what? re: "I just released the UK for it.." Sep 22 03:21:44 duncanm: yes? Sep 22 03:22:02 ... Sep 22 03:22:14 PatrickC_ there are logs for a reason. Sep 22 03:23:02 halfhalo: my bouncer is connected too. but I can't log into it Sep 22 03:50:49 The requested action cannot proceed because you either expended your unique Order ID or there is no more stock available. Sep 22 03:50:49 Contact customerservice@onsale.com for more information about this issue. Sep 22 03:50:50 Thank you! Sep 22 03:50:50 Sep 22 03:50:52 BOLLOCKS :( Sep 22 04:04:25 * DougReeder wakes up Sep 22 04:05:04 hey DougReeder Sep 22 04:05:23 wow.. Advanced Browser is more awesome then I thought :) Sep 22 04:05:45 I adapted my app for the Pre 3. Sep 22 04:06:05 cool! Sep 22 04:06:14 I'll have a pre3 come friday (if not tomorrow) Sep 22 04:06:54 PopupCalc runs on the Pre3, but why bother? Sep 22 04:12:41 that's yours? Sep 22 04:13:15 * DougReeder nods Sep 22 04:13:46 why bother indeed, who needs a calculator :) Sep 22 04:14:03 heh Sep 22 04:15:15 We'll be better off when we can ditch facsimiles of 1970's technology and just use apps like Soulver. Sep 22 04:16:50 Skeuomorphic, that's the word. Sep 22 04:22:26 actually, I agree completely Sep 22 04:22:32 I had to look up what Soulver was Sep 22 04:22:53 I hadn't heard of it until I started research calculator interfaces. Sep 22 04:23:14 but yeah, we've trained a whole generation of people how to use a computer/electronic devices Sep 22 04:23:31 and now they can't handle stepping outside of those confines Sep 22 04:23:38 Made me wish I'd learned RPN. Sep 22 04:25:35 Ti was algebraic and HP was RPN right? Sep 22 04:26:16 I think HP also made some algebraic calculators. Sep 22 04:26:28 ...but RPN was their core. Sep 22 04:26:30 but in the 70's they were RPN. Sep 22 04:26:44 :D Sep 22 04:26:54 I had a Ti 50a Sep 22 04:27:04 then a 51 then SR-51a Sep 22 04:27:37 when I got to college they threw out the slipsticks. Sep 22 04:44:01 * PatrickC_ loves his new *default* browser :) Sep 22 04:44:08 the wonders of homebrew :) Sep 22 05:07:15 which one is it PatrickC Sep 22 05:07:23 PatrickC_: ? Sep 22 05:07:27 Advanced Browser Sep 22 05:07:42 Ah Sep 22 05:07:51 is there an unlock for the HP Pre 3 ATT version? Sep 22 05:08:13 not sure Sep 22 05:08:25 wait, you have a pre3, right? Sep 22 05:08:33 http://digitalunlock.com/hp-pre-3/ Sep 22 05:08:40 does this work? :S Sep 22 05:08:50 i used the one for VEER Sep 22 05:09:02 where do you procure one of those ATT Pre3s? Sep 22 05:09:17 ebay.. Sep 22 05:09:22 but i don't have an ATT Pre3 Sep 22 05:09:24 but if i did Sep 22 05:09:29 will digital unlock, unlock it? Sep 22 05:11:07 I want me damn Veer back Sep 22 05:11:38 wrea: :( Sep 22 05:11:47 was it on contract or Sep 22 05:12:04 No, not on contract Sep 22 05:13:59 I have some wireless stuff I want to try on it. Sep 22 05:15:19 oh Sep 22 05:15:23 whats your mail phone wrea Sep 22 05:15:53 mail phone? Sep 22 05:16:24 err Sep 22 05:16:25 MAIN* Sep 22 05:16:28 stupid autocorrect Sep 22 05:16:52 a dumbphone Sep 22 05:17:34 psh Sep 22 05:17:43 My last dumphone was an iphone Sep 22 05:18:00 badumpsh Sep 22 05:20:35 wrea: ow Sep 22 05:21:00 meh, no one calls me and I hardly look at the thing Sep 22 05:22:18 o: Sep 22 05:22:26 ill ring your phone :D? Sep 22 05:22:32 leave prank voicemails Sep 22 05:22:33 etc Sep 22 05:22:42 Thats okay :P Sep 22 05:22:58 :( Sep 22 05:32:55 * PatrickC_ crosses fingers Sep 22 05:34:51 Hah, anyone else get this massive OnSale screw up 2.0? Sep 22 05:36:11 *raise hand* Sep 22 05:36:17 what happened with yours Sep 22 05:37:10 Got through to the payment page, then it bitched that the shopping cart was empty. Link won't let us try again, since it says it's a one time thing :T Sep 22 05:39:20 eighthree: what about you? Sep 22 05:39:32 same deal. Sep 22 05:39:34 argh... didn't work :/ Sep 22 05:39:39 the token is stupid. Sep 22 05:39:44 it should not be a 1 time use URL Sep 22 05:39:49 but a 1-time-use token. Sep 22 05:39:52 its stupid. Sep 22 05:39:58 purchase with caution -> http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3338938 Sep 22 05:40:06 it should be, but it should y'know, wait until you place the order before invalidating it Sep 22 05:40:45 holy crap, "your logo here" Sep 22 05:40:48 yeah no thanks Sep 22 05:41:18 i have 1 unused token tho Sep 22 05:41:19 :O Sep 22 05:42:04 lol Sep 22 05:42:06 eighthree: Sep 22 05:42:11 eighthree: >:O Sep 22 05:42:16 :O what Sep 22 05:42:16 can I have it? XD Sep 22 05:42:16 hence the slickdeals post and not the direct merchant link :P Sep 22 05:43:11 SineOt: IDK xD Sep 22 05:43:23 man, OnSale's telephone line has the most annoying loop :I Sep 22 05:43:58 there's about a 2 second gap before it tells you, again, that call times might be longer than normal and you should visit STORE DOT ONSALE DOT COM FOR EXCITING NEW DAILY DEALS Sep 22 05:47:14 what the hell is ecrater :p Sep 22 05:47:26 its on the emoon Sep 22 05:49:42 SineOt: Heh. Sep 22 05:50:00 http://www.amazon.com/Radeon-XFX-6970-Graphics-Card/dp/B004GCIZ5A/ref=br_lf_m_1000711401_1_3_ttl?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=electronics&pf_rd_p=1314850762&pf_rd_s=center-5&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_i=1000711401&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1Z87BYB4HH9FEPA5YD28 waaaannnntttt Sep 22 05:50:24 Shadyman2: I'm kind of thinking they did it on purpose to be as annoying as possible to get people to hang up :p Sep 22 05:50:30 :D Sep 22 05:50:47 there's bound to be a lot of folks *pissed* at them. Sep 22 05:50:54 hi Sep 22 05:51:08 Shadyman2: after their first botched Touchpad sale, yeah. Now they're botching the second one! XD Sep 22 05:51:18 Derp. Sep 22 05:51:54 Hi Timothy, Sep 22 05:51:55 Yes, our unlock will work with those. We're still finishing it up, but it should be ready within the week. Sep 22 05:52:02 re: pre 3 ATT model Sep 22 05:52:03 :D Sep 22 05:52:33 did I miss an onsale touchpad sale? Sep 22 05:53:27 dwc-: if you had an order placed on Sunday, August 21st and it got cancelled, they're doing a second round of 32GB touch pads for those who had the originals cancelled Sep 22 05:53:31 doing a stupid one time use link Sep 22 05:53:36 oh Sep 22 05:53:49 the site is getting HAMMERED so it's apparently emptying people's shopping carts before they can complete the order Sep 22 05:54:07 nice Sep 22 05:54:07 but since it's a one time link, you can't go back and reorder Sep 22 05:54:30 its like a 1time use link thats like mde by a script kiddie lol Sep 22 05:56:07 6970? pfft Sep 22 05:56:25 6990! Sep 22 05:58:51 phew Sep 22 05:58:57 finally got through to the phone support Sep 22 05:59:14 said that they're aware of the server being absolutely destroyed and that they'll call us tomorrow to complete the order Sep 22 06:31:53 SineOt: PHEW! Sep 22 06:32:00 SineOt: lets hope things work out Sep 22 06:33:52 me too! Sep 22 06:41:38 wait Sep 22 06:41:39 pre3 what? Sep 22 06:42:08 SineOt: Oh. Sep 22 06:42:23 destroyed server is destroyed :x Sep 22 06:42:45 Shadyman2: yeah but being onSale I honestly wasn't surprised! Sep 22 06:42:59 heh Sep 22 06:43:21 I thought that maybe by the talk of destroyed servers that someone was selling off some pre3s :x Sep 22 06:43:37 at least they answered the phone after 20 minutes this time, instead of the two plus hours the first time around… e_e Sep 22 06:43:44 nah, just 32GB Touchpads. Sep 22 06:44:18 kay Sep 22 06:45:45 Someone with a Veer want to run: lspci -vnn | grep 14e4 Sep 22 06:46:02 hi Sep 22 06:51:13 there is no lspci on them, iirc Sep 22 06:52:12 Yeah, you're right Sep 22 06:52:47 and no /proc/pci or /proc/bus/pci in the stock kernels Sep 22 06:53:36 wrea: what are you looking for? Sep 22 07:00:43 Wonder what info came up for the broadcom chip when running the command Sep 22 07:01:36 Hopefully my Veer gets back here next week. Apparently the tp repair center can repair phones as well Sep 22 07:02:31 I kept getting different answers when talking to support today Sep 22 07:02:56 http://o7.no/n5abRe Sep 22 07:03:03 look at that tagline Sep 22 07:07:44 you just want the pci:id? Sep 22 07:08:42 dwc-, Thats the main thing im looking for Sep 22 08:35:25 bad internet died.. Sep 22 08:35:54 anyone here interested on a Pre3 for 400.. Sep 22 08:38:25 200 Sep 22 08:42:30 I'll pass technifreak45 lol Sep 22 08:50:51 I personally have trouble trying to justify $400 for a discontinued unsupported phone Sep 22 08:51:17 that's past "tech toy" impulse buy price :\ Sep 22 08:52:26 hehehe dwc- I can understand Sep 22 08:53:10 dwc-: I paid almost that for a AZERTY one. I like it, but it was expensive. :\ Sep 22 08:54:08 I almost jumped on the 170 GBP azerty one, but was couldn't get ahold of a friend in europe to buy it for me anyways, so it didn't matter Sep 22 08:54:18 where you from xuzz Sep 22 08:54:26 San Francisco Sep 22 08:54:37 had to get it forwarded from England Sep 22 08:54:54 (expensive shipping!) Sep 22 08:55:01 eighthree: qwerty Pre 3 ? Sep 22 08:55:36 rwhitby same uk one tho.. sorry bud Sep 22 08:55:54 how's your reception xuzz Sep 22 08:56:02 that's still a good price for a qwerty Pre 3 in the US Sep 22 08:56:30 does anyone else have problems with the alarm on their pre3? Sep 22 08:57:22 rwhitby yep.. I'm in canada but us is so close :p Sep 22 08:58:22 I'm on fido and I'm not sure how the reception is gonna be, so caveat is that its gonna be lightly tested.. but that's nearly 150 off Sep 22 09:02:55 would you be interested rwhitby or nein Sep 22 09:03:12 no, I have enough 8GB Pre 3's thanks. Sep 22 09:04:28 ahah okay :) lmk if anyone you know may be interested Sep 22 09:07:01 directhex: problems with the alarm how? Sep 22 09:07:16 wondering if it's like the problems my friend has had on pre-/+/2 Sep 22 09:08:52 dwc-, it doesn't go off - it locks up instead. and if observed, appears to be very strange (e.g. vibrating continuously for a minute) Sep 22 09:09:39 mm, nope. hers just disappear or something like that Sep 22 09:10:11 tricksy alarms Sep 22 09:12:06 2 says in a row i've overslept :/ Sep 22 09:13:39 directhex you sure its not your subliminal self turning it off hehehe Sep 22 09:22:11 wb pat Sep 22 09:27:34 $30 Pixi+ - http://mobile.dailysteals.com/Default.aspx Sep 22 10:07:23 rwhitby: Which carrier, out of interest? I've never had broken DNS on Telstra. Sep 22 10:38:16 Hendikins: Vodafone. Sep 22 10:39:06 Hendikins: on 850 MHz in Adelaide. The DNS server they give me doesn't respond so well. Causes data to be unusable. Fixed now :) Sep 22 11:09:12 $500 AT&T Pre 3: http://forums.precentral.net/marketplace/300358-fs-att-pre-3-new.html Sep 22 11:34:48 $500! Sep 22 11:35:02 * RichT23 might of just got a un unlocked on got B#200 Sep 22 11:37:44 bloody hell my typing is bad today Sep 22 11:37:59 * RichT23 might of just got an unlocked one for B#200 Sep 22 11:46:49 RichT23: 8GB or 16GB ? Sep 22 11:59:16 8 Sep 22 13:14:54 please, where I can get request log from serviceRequest of palm://com.palm.downloadmanager/ ? Sep 22 13:16:11 who here has *not bought* Advanced Browser? Sep 22 13:24:53 * PatrickC tests the ZNC Sep 22 14:38:53 if you haven't bought Advanced Browser yet, then don't worry. Tablet Support Forums is doing a giveaway of 25 promo codes! Sep 22 14:43:54 PatrickC: doesnt help if i cant get one Sep 22 14:44:10 why couldn't you? Sep 22 14:44:16 oh.. a touchpad? lol Sep 22 14:44:33 well i mean promo code Sep 22 14:44:37 i have a touchpad Sep 22 14:44:48 why couldn't you? Sep 22 14:44:54 where is the site? Sep 22 14:44:55 do you have paid app access? Sep 22 14:45:06 nah i havent bought it Sep 22 14:45:09 http://tabletsupportforum.com Sep 22 14:45:26 give us an hour, and the raffle will be up :) Sep 22 14:45:42 ohh nice Sep 22 14:45:48 im on the site now Sep 22 14:45:54 haha didnt know you ran the site Sep 22 14:46:47 I work there Sep 22 14:47:12 nice Sep 22 14:47:15 site looks good Sep 22 14:47:22 yep :) Sep 22 14:47:32 sign up for the forums, participate, have fun :) Sep 22 14:47:45 yeah i just signed up using facebook haha Sep 22 14:47:59 tapatalk compatible Sep 22 14:48:37 is tapatalk on webos? Sep 22 14:49:05 yep Sep 22 14:49:18 in the forum of "Forums for webOS" and "Communities" Sep 22 14:49:31 which might or might not have a giveaway on TSF soon too :) Sep 22 14:49:59 ehh dont wanna pay 6 bucks for communities Sep 22 14:50:14 like I said, there *might* be a giveaway soon Sep 22 14:50:19 * halfhalo needs to go get a crossbow Sep 22 14:50:37 umm.. why? lol Sep 22 14:50:48 to shoot at people? Sep 22 14:50:57 my buddy has one Sep 22 14:50:57 my pre3 could arrive today!!! :D Sep 22 14:50:59 they are fun Sep 22 14:51:08 lol Sep 22 14:51:15 protip: shooting someone under the waist isn't considered attempted homicide Sep 22 14:52:08 just sayin! Sep 22 14:53:48 * halfhalo is slightly crazy Sep 22 14:54:00 haha Sep 22 14:54:59 "slightly" Sep 22 14:55:22 its only a crossbow! Sep 22 14:55:28 * PatrickC misses public beta feeds... :/ Sep 22 14:55:38 nothing says "I hate you" like an arrow in the thigh! Sep 22 15:01:25 I see no compelling reason to use Advanced Browser Sep 22 15:02:40 neither do i Sep 22 15:04:10 tabs are useful, but not required for me. inline searching is handy. Sep 22 15:04:26 cards do the same thing as tabs Sep 22 15:04:45 summatusmentis: I like it. its really nice. it shows a bookmarks screen on launch like the mojo browser did Sep 22 15:04:45 a Sep 22 15:04:50 big plus for me Sep 22 15:04:54 not really... Sep 22 15:05:06 isn't there a "launch bookmarks by default" patch? Sep 22 15:06:01 I guess a card is more like a browser window than a tab Sep 22 15:06:13 I just don't see myself using tabs on a tablet Sep 22 15:07:01 there is like 10 people in this class right now... out of 50. I like it Sep 22 15:07:13 well, it IS an 8am ... Sep 22 15:08:20 true.... but theres also the fact that this is technically an online class Sep 22 15:08:30 and nobody can understand the professor anywho Sep 22 15:12:10 dwc-: that just launches the little bookmarks pane to the right when you launch the browser. and also, its shrunk when the keyboard pops up. Sep 22 15:23:18 PatrickC: how about i get a code seeing it was my anniversary tuesday Sep 22 15:23:19 hehe Sep 22 15:23:26 a nice present for me and the wife Sep 22 15:26:25 roar Sep 22 15:26:31 what code Sep 22 15:29:07 shh Sep 22 15:29:18 Caleb: sorry, no can do :) Sep 22 15:29:23 heh Sep 22 15:29:25 i tried Sep 22 15:29:27 heh Sep 22 15:29:28 eighthree_: youll see once its up :) Sep 22 15:29:30 cant fault me for that Sep 22 15:29:44 lol Sep 22 15:29:45 nope Sep 22 15:29:55 PatrickC: :< Sep 22 15:30:16 * PatrickC isn't allowed to say anything till its up now Sep 22 15:30:24 that's what I was instructed by my admin Sep 22 15:30:41 Caleb: only saw because I said it before I was told to not say it :) Sep 22 15:34:59 lol Sep 22 15:39:41 the gf bought me a TP bt keyboard for my birthday, and it shipped today! <3 Sep 22 15:39:58 awesome Sep 22 15:40:17 I'm pretty excited Sep 22 15:42:09 summatusmentis: its a.m.a.z.i.n.g. :) Sep 22 15:44:23 I hope so, I'm expecting it'll mean that I don't need to use my laptop anymore Sep 22 15:45:06 summatusmentis: its awesome. also… HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Sep 22 15:45:10 when is it :B Sep 22 15:45:52 A generic BT keyboard or the HP specific Touchpad KB? Sep 22 15:50:54 hp kb is ok Sep 22 15:51:26 Not saying it's not.. Just I think I'd be inclined to get a generic one. Although perhaps the WebOS BT keyboard is a superset of a normal one. Sep 22 15:51:38 ie: Can be used for anything else, just has added function for the TP Sep 22 15:53:52 Hi Sep 22 15:54:03 i'm french and love webOs Sep 22 15:55:10 anyone here ? Sep 22 15:57:16 oof Sep 22 15:57:21 the french dude got ignored Sep 22 15:57:21 :O Sep 22 15:58:43 eighthree_: it was last Saturday Sep 22 15:58:47 Khaytsus: HP specific one Sep 22 15:58:59 eighthree_: but thanks :) Sep 22 15:59:03 summatusmentis: belated happy happy birrthhdayyy! *dance dance* Sep 22 15:59:09 *unce unce unce* Sep 22 15:59:22 :-D Sep 22 16:02:23 summatusmentis: happy birthday!! Sep 22 16:02:28 thanks :) Sep 22 16:02:50 I'm funny about portable keyboards.. I purhcased two, one for an old Palm, one for another device, and didn't use either one in reality Sep 22 16:12:33 http://www.tabletsupportforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275 Sep 22 16:13:53 ^ ____ good luck to all!! Sep 22 16:14:15 * Remembering open Tabs (coming soon) Sep 22 16:14:17 I want that Sep 22 16:14:28 hi dwc- !! Sep 22 16:14:50 dwc-: then enter! :) Sep 22 16:14:51 so, rumors suggest that Meg Whitman is being appointed today Sep 22 16:14:52 hello Sep 22 16:15:06 did leo get the boot??? O_o Sep 22 16:15:07 weren't those yesterday's rumors? Sep 22 16:15:20 it was rumored yesterday Sep 22 16:15:24 PatrickC: I want the feature they don't have yet! Sep 22 16:15:27 pls. meg. revive the palm hardwares D: Sep 22 16:15:38 apparently they're talking about after the market closes, bringing in Meg Whitman Sep 22 16:15:41 dwc-: its a promo.. you'll get the update :) Sep 22 16:15:55 PatrickC: I assume the boot will occur at the same time as the replacement Sep 22 16:16:20 I'm a resident of CA Sep 22 16:16:30 so all I can hear in my head is "I'm Meg Whitman, and I approved this message" Sep 22 16:16:38 (from the political ads) Sep 22 16:17:00 haha Sep 22 16:18:04 dwc- inorite? Sep 22 16:18:10 Left Cali before the elections :P Sep 22 16:18:32 PatrickC: how many posts do you have to have to enter Sep 22 16:18:40 5 Sep 22 16:18:44 and not spam posts :) Sep 22 16:18:54 you *will* be banned if you spam post lol Sep 22 16:18:56 ahh Sep 22 16:19:00 not that you would :) Sep 22 16:19:08 you have till Sep. 29th to enter Sep 22 16:19:11 bah, forums Sep 22 16:19:23 halfhalo: free app == worth it Sep 22 16:19:29 not for me Sep 22 16:19:38 * halfhalo has enough forums to deal with as it is Sep 22 16:20:09 lol Sep 22 16:21:01 * dwc- is an active participant in 0 and that's enough Sep 22 16:23:04 * PatrickC is an active participant in many Sep 22 16:24:07 dwc-: well, I'm much more ok with her running a company than I am with her running a state Sep 22 16:24:22 certainly they are different skillsets Sep 22 16:24:42 * halfhalo didn't want to have to pay taxes via paypal Sep 22 16:25:12 lol Sep 22 16:26:12 lol Sep 22 16:26:32 PatrickC: i just entered and seems im the only one atm Sep 22 16:26:35 forget paypal Sep 22 16:26:39 bill me later is the annoying one Sep 22 16:26:39 how long does the raffle last? Sep 22 16:26:49 till the 29th Sep 22 16:26:50 nevermind i see it Sep 22 16:27:43 lol Sep 22 16:27:57 lets hope i win haha Sep 22 16:28:45 ugg. just made car service appt Sep 22 16:28:53 aka hand toyota lots of monies Sep 22 16:29:40 heh Sep 22 16:29:46 you could skip it... and then hand somebody even more lots of monies later Sep 22 16:30:00 funny how a stanard service and a sensor cleaning ends up being a thousand dollars Sep 22 16:31:13 sensor cleaning? if it's 1k it must be a Major service Sep 22 16:31:58 115,000, and one of the heated 02 sensors went out. but it still will end up costing me around 1k. because its toyota. thats what they do Sep 22 16:32:21 dont worry halfhalo .. Sep 22 16:32:22 O2 sensors aren't that expensive Sep 22 16:32:33 my brother has a mercedes clk something tdi Sep 22 16:32:41 haha. $$$$$$$$ Sep 22 16:32:42 he pays 200 euro for like .. nothing Sep 22 16:32:58 I mean .. they just let the car stay where he brought it at .. and he pays 200 euro .. Sep 22 16:33:10 just so they can write down that he was there after like ..20k kilometers Sep 22 16:33:32 * halfhalo can't wait to be rid of this car Sep 22 16:34:04 ruhroh Sep 22 16:34:16 * creationix :P Sep 22 16:34:45 hm, 115k should mostly be just oil/tires/brakes/inspect stuff Sep 22 16:35:44 dwc- it should. but there is always a complication like "oh, you need new rotors because we lied last time" or "oh, your missing an axel" Sep 22 16:36:22 I'm missing a Blaze :p Sep 22 16:36:27 re: the latter "sweet, now I can haul a trailer over the bridges and not pay extra!" Sep 22 16:36:48 halfhalo: http://bit.ly/rl1Ihv Sep 22 16:36:56 found it Sep 22 16:37:03 my car would just sit there and spin its front tires if I tried to haul a trailer with a bunch of crap in it Sep 22 16:37:12 lol Sep 22 16:39:00 hmm. that reminds me. I need to go to the autozones today to pick up some more windsheild washer fluid. Sep 22 16:40:04 and run by the ups depot. grr. Sep 22 16:42:18 also http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/22/batman-arkham-city-trailer-is-no-laughing-matter/ is win Sep 22 16:42:36 yess Sep 22 16:49:12 sugardave: hows the swat team? Sep 22 16:59:26 js2-mode for emacs is just the bomb.' Sep 22 17:00:08 it tells me things like 'Variable x hides argument' when i attempt to declare a var in a function where that same var is passed in as a param. Sep 22 17:04:43 Sooo... one skips webos news for a day or two and all hell breaks loose. Sep 22 17:05:10 snooze u looze Sep 22 17:05:18 snoose? Sep 22 17:05:31 snooze Sep 22 17:08:05 lol Sep 22 17:10:05 halfhalo: looks sweet! And I still havent played arkhan asylum :( Sep 22 17:10:13 arkham* Sep 22 17:10:25 all hell? what hell? there's no new news about webOS Sep 22 17:10:33 HP is going to collapse, but you know Sep 22 17:11:29 just depends on who wants a plane ride with buddy holy, i mean apotheker.. Sep 22 17:12:00 lmao Sep 22 17:12:17 lol Sep 22 17:12:19 hey akanster Sep 22 17:12:26 hi Sep 22 17:13:56 Caleb: there's #tabletsupport :) Sep 22 17:21:59 Bmyers: Oo-ee-oo I look just like buddy holly leo apotheker.. Oo-ee-oo, and you're Mary Tyler Moore. Sep 22 17:23:42 old maty tyler moore or young mary tyler moore? Sep 22 17:29:32 hmm Sep 22 17:33:09 F8 is streaming live Sep 22 17:33:41 http://www.livestream.com/f8live Sep 22 17:34:07 wonder if it's any more interesting than the one I attended Sep 22 17:34:24 it seems sorta interesting so far Sep 22 17:35:27 Timeline looks cool. Sep 22 17:35:58 yeah the history stuff is sweet Sep 22 17:36:08 Timeline Sep 22 17:36:54 I'm waiting for "easy export of all your data" Sep 22 17:36:58 * dwc- never found facebook all that compelling Sep 22 17:37:04 summatusmentis: dream on Sep 22 17:37:45 I know I know Sep 22 17:37:49 Google+ has it, so maybe Sep 22 17:37:50 Easy import of your soul maybe Sep 22 17:38:30 no refunds on souls :( Sep 22 17:38:36 oh god Sep 22 17:38:37 for one, they like their walled garden Sep 22 17:38:48 this timeline stuff lets you add old content Sep 22 17:38:56 for two, if they gave everyone their photos back, people would realize how they got downsized and recompressed and shitty Sep 22 17:38:58 they want you to upload your entire life, chronologically Sep 22 17:39:05 whoa shit Sep 22 17:39:14 the command key doesn't have an apple logo on it Sep 22 17:39:24 lool Sep 22 17:39:27 * dwc- uploads "deleted his facebook account" into "two years ago" Sep 22 17:40:50 "no story to small to share", NOT Sep 22 17:41:41 i care if zuckerburg had chicken for dinner on nov 5 2008? Sep 22 17:42:00 I might ... if it gave him food poisoning Sep 22 17:42:04 lol Sep 22 17:43:37 88K+ viewers :) Sep 22 17:43:43 new Facebook stuff going on? Sep 22 17:43:48 FATE Sep 22 17:43:55 FAIL Sep 22 17:44:05 HD FAIL Sep 22 17:44:27 WAFD Sep 22 17:44:28 didn't they just put in new stuff yesterday Sep 22 17:44:39 I'm still trying to figure out why there's a twitter next to a google+ on my facebook Sep 22 17:44:46 they changed their interface Sep 22 17:44:51 this is NEW new stuff Sep 22 17:45:46 i think there pooping out new stuff so that they have something new.. Sep 22 17:45:55 they're ^ Sep 22 17:47:18 (golf clap) Sep 22 17:48:38 ah the new new stuff Sep 22 17:49:01 Timeline... its what you ate for dinner Sep 22 17:49:28 last year Sep 22 17:49:39 looking at the timeline video Sep 22 17:49:40 say what Sep 22 17:49:43 I can put birth pictures on it Sep 22 17:49:47 timeline now has what apps you played when and their status over time Sep 22 17:49:52 while you ate dinner Sep 22 17:49:55 lasy year Sep 22 17:50:09 i'm usually getting rid of dinner when i'm on FB Sep 22 17:50:20 so is this new shit replacing old shit Sep 22 17:50:30 looks like its replacing the wall Sep 22 17:51:09 wow Sep 22 17:51:21 with timeline... wall+ Sep 22 17:51:32 btw, where is zuckerberg's hoodie? Sep 22 17:51:43 share all your mediocre experiences on FB now.. cool. Sep 22 17:52:24 is shat a verb? Sep 22 17:52:24 Circles? HAH, forget about that really abstract way to create circles that no one cares about... we have a timeline. Why hang out with your wang out, no one cares abou your bumbs, they care about your life over time, and what you ate for dinner 37 days ago Sep 22 17:52:53 I shat over yonder before the marrow? Sep 22 17:53:10 s/bumbs/bumps Sep 22 17:53:10 100k+ viewers. Sep 22 17:53:44 video stopped streaming for me Sep 22 17:53:59 oh the good stuff just started. Sep 22 17:55:33 Are they still using php Sep 22 17:55:35 ? Sep 22 17:55:45 no, they bought webos silly.. Sep 22 17:56:30 all my best experiences had friction.. Sep 22 17:56:46 umm.. what we watching? Sep 22 17:56:58 http://www.livestream.com/f8live Sep 22 17:57:29 so, not to be fear-mongering, but those rumors about FB buying webOS... everything FB is talking about today would fit nicely into an extended synergy framework Sep 22 17:57:52 timeline could span cards Sep 22 18:04:44 * PatrickC isn't watching f8 Sep 22 18:04:50 I'll get my updates here :) Sep 22 18:06:23 basic overview: document your life on FB so they can monitize it Sep 22 18:07:05 oh hello spotify guy... no I dont want to buy your mobile service Sep 22 18:07:12 yepp Sep 22 18:07:12 these folks lack charisma Sep 22 18:07:26 something feels un-natural about their speech Sep 22 18:07:38 serendipitous lol /o\ Sep 22 18:07:41 they're crappy public speakers? Sep 22 18:07:54 yes they are Sep 22 18:08:00 cause they dont talk to anyone without FB? Sep 22 18:08:01 I think google+ is dead now. Sep 22 18:08:03 though, this guy is swedish Sep 22 18:08:25 hurng de borg de borg.. Sep 22 18:08:42 borg da borg da song de borg.. Sep 22 18:08:53 google+ wont die, but its icon will remain in our bar, receiving that one initial click, and no visits after Sep 22 18:08:59 I thought they could get some traction with whole circles deal, but since fb had exactly the same thing for few years now (only more flexible...), and just now they made it easier to use for everybody... Sep 22 18:09:03 Yeah, it's dead. Sep 22 18:09:29 circles was irrelevant, it was a way to take up more space then needed to do something alot simpler. They over thought thta Sep 22 18:09:41 CTLAdvance: It won't be dead in a sense that it will be shut down, but it will be like myspace. Sep 22 18:09:44 Which is dead. Sep 22 18:10:25 No mention of last.fm. Sep 22 18:10:26 Weird. Sep 22 18:10:46 thats because they went with spotify I believe Sep 22 18:11:34 Hulu thing I don't understand. Sep 22 18:11:35 for? Sep 22 18:11:44 one thing to remember is that Facebook owns your content. Sep 22 18:11:46 for what Sep 22 18:11:56 "we've revolutionized owning your posted content" Sep 22 18:11:58 B: Sep 22 18:12:02 They dont own it anymore, I believe that the rectified that along time ago Sep 22 18:12:10 However they can actively search it etc Sep 22 18:12:32 what about liberation of all your data Sep 22 18:12:35 They hold it until you delete it, they dont own it or have any right to use it Sep 22 18:12:56 Thats a fairy tale that was told by google after having a wet dream about it Sep 22 18:13:00 uh Sep 22 18:13:01 wait.. Facebook Music??? Sep 22 18:13:02 huh huh Sep 22 18:13:22 lol netflix rofl Sep 22 18:13:48 oh god Sep 22 18:13:50 or quickster Sep 22 18:13:51 quickster Sep 22 18:13:52 lol Sep 22 18:13:53 whichever.. Sep 22 18:13:56 Reed has "two quick good stories and one bad story." Sep 22 18:13:59 HP service rep told me SMB had 4000 TP in stock when the sale started, got orders for 50,000. Delivery mid-october. Sep 22 18:13:59 qwikster Sep 22 18:14:01 I think. Sep 22 18:14:08 now on Facebook, track your friend's dvd shipments Sep 22 18:14:09 lol Sep 22 18:14:23 heh, including status updates Sep 22 18:14:29 "Your dvd has been delivered" Sep 22 18:14:40 or play a mini game to snatch your friend's dvd rental before it gets to your friend Sep 22 18:15:13 lol Sep 22 18:15:37 They all are dressed like scrubs Sep 22 18:17:48 wow, things are lookin' up Sep 22 18:17:59 gettin rid of leo Sep 22 18:18:08 onsale order uncanceled Sep 22 18:18:42 maybe Meg will reverse some webos decisions Sep 22 18:18:46 * hemna_ hopes Sep 22 18:18:52 thats one way to get an extra couple of bux for your stock price Sep 22 18:18:54 * PatrickC hopes too Sep 22 18:20:03 Did I get it right that the 525 layoffs are in hw and not sw? Sep 22 18:20:17 Bmyers... I am not sure on webOS, but def on getting rid of psg Sep 22 18:21:12 PSG needs to stay. I am not sure if its to late to cancel autonomy... really a company that specializes in abstract data search Sep 22 18:21:19 CTLAdvance: they didn Sep 22 18:21:22 I think thats a sealed deal Sep 22 18:21:23 didn't get rid of webos Sep 22 18:21:32 I mean restarting hardware Sep 22 18:21:45 * oilsworkn holds out hope Sep 22 18:21:49 pre4! Sep 22 18:21:52 ugh Sep 22 18:21:57 that will fail.... Sep 22 18:22:19 They need a HTC Titan running webOS... or something like that Sep 22 18:22:24 Something people will buy Sep 22 18:22:34 i would buy a pre4 Sep 22 18:22:37 pre6! Sep 22 18:22:48 * oilsworkn must not be people? Sep 22 18:22:58 nope Sep 22 18:22:59 oil doesnt count Sep 22 18:23:01 robot Sep 22 18:23:03 * oilsworkn is robot? Sep 22 18:23:05 * halfhalo is also a robot Sep 22 18:23:17 * CTLAdvance pulls out degauser Sep 22 18:23:18 more specifically: Sep 22 18:23:22 * halfhalo is robot with crossbow Sep 22 18:23:36 hit him with the clamps? Sep 22 18:24:06 http://www.scrummy.co.uk/galleries/futurama/images/clamps.jpg Sep 22 18:24:34 i hate the word serendipity Sep 22 18:25:00 halfhalo: you got one? Sep 22 18:25:36 mebe Sep 22 18:25:46 * oilsworkn considers calling onsale to see if his order went through Sep 22 18:25:53 * PatrickC hides behind some steel Sep 22 18:26:07 crossbow of DOOOM Sep 22 18:26:13 what a big gatorade commercial Sep 22 18:28:46 * oilsworkn hopes they make the touchpad go Sep 22 18:28:54 * halfhalo does as well Sep 22 18:29:08 * halfhalo needs pre3 so he can stop carrying like 5 phones around with him Sep 22 18:29:23 didn't snag one when you were at palm? Sep 22 18:29:28 for shame Sep 22 18:29:37 I tried Sep 22 18:29:40 oh, how I tried Sep 22 18:30:02 it should have just "disappeared!" Sep 22 18:30:04 there is only do or do not..... Sep 22 18:30:45 dwc- there weren't any for me to disappeared. Sep 22 18:30:56 * PatrickC gets a pre3 tomorrow... hides it from halfhalo Sep 22 18:31:04 * halfhalo has crossbow Sep 22 18:31:20 sorta hard to hide with an arrow in your leg! Sep 22 18:31:31 * PatrickC gets into a tank Sep 22 18:31:39 "You'll never get the pre3 from me!" Sep 22 18:31:41 Pre3 was going to be my next phone...but I guess most of us will be stuck going with droid? Sep 22 18:31:50 * PatrickC wont Sep 22 18:32:25 I love the way multi-tasking works on webOS. Sep 22 18:32:39 we all do :) Sep 22 18:32:40 I'd really like to have that on phone. Sep 22 18:32:43 I have tried android. can't stand it Sep 22 18:32:45 everone is watching facebook Sep 22 18:32:47 http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/640/360/NYSE-Trader-087.jpg Sep 22 18:33:00 halfhalo: I couldn't use Android at all... Sep 22 18:33:10 which is why I'm happy I'm getting a pre3 Sep 22 18:33:15 is there some way to run the javascript examples, similar to a shell script? (I am a total newbie) Sep 22 18:33:23 and if we stay on sprint... iPhone 5 :/ Sep 22 18:33:35 tolland: palm-package palm-install? Sep 22 18:33:44 everyone? Sep 22 18:33:45 hahahahahaiphone Sep 22 18:33:50 * oilsworkn must not be part of everyone Sep 22 18:34:13 stupid question....the developer site says webos 3 is cross platform...ok sure it runs in a webkit browser, but how do you deliver an enyo app to a droid phone to run? Sep 22 18:34:34 hemna_: probably something like phonegap? Sep 22 18:34:51 but i dont know if the licensing for enyo even allows it Sep 22 18:35:01 (i could be wrong, ive never looked) Sep 22 18:35:14 don't think it does Sep 22 18:35:20 so you'd have to write against the phonegap apis Sep 22 18:35:23 webOS isn't cross platform yet - at least mojo and enyo not licensed Sep 22 18:35:25 hi Sep 22 18:35:26 and not against enyo? Sep 22 18:36:04 hemna - you cant Sep 22 18:36:11 if you use enyo you cant Sep 22 18:36:24 such a shame Sep 22 18:36:25 I see...bummer Sep 22 18:36:31 Phonegap is crossplatform, use standard HTML5 and CSS3 and KABOOM... no need for enyo. Sep 22 18:36:38 enyo has bad performance anyway Sep 22 18:36:39 I really love enyo Sep 22 18:36:54 guess I'll take a look at phonegap then Sep 22 18:37:17 Thats what we are doing, deployed our app on webOS, now were deploying on android, then it will be IOS Sep 22 18:37:18 * halfhalo grumbles about enyo wirc Sep 22 18:37:43 get off my case! Sep 22 18:37:47 webOS actually makes a great base to develop on. Sep 22 18:38:03 with phonegap to some degree... then you can quickly move to android and ios Sep 22 18:38:11 so long as u didnt use node Sep 22 18:38:20 or any IOS / Android phonegap api Sep 22 18:38:25 and now ive got to go back to lumberjack to finish it up for adora Sep 22 18:38:29 SOMEONE made it impossible for me to make it join channels my bouncer is connected to! Sep 22 18:38:33 then you need to convert between phonegap for IOS/android spec api or node Sep 22 18:38:55 oilsworkn: finish lumberjack for adora? like catalog??? Sep 22 18:39:04 that must be PuffTheMagic Sep 22 18:39:40 lol, lumberjack is outside the jail, never going to catalog Sep 22 18:39:52 or is it.... Sep 22 18:39:56 that's what I thought lol Sep 22 18:39:59 * halfhalo looks around stealithly Sep 22 18:40:14 * CTLAdvance takes halfhalo's crossbow and runs Sep 22 18:40:41 * halfhalo gets backup crossbow out Sep 22 18:40:45 hemna_: phonegap is just the "shell" for the html5-app. if you look for UI and more (in most cases) like view-model bindings, MVC there are solutions like Jo, Sencha Touch, jqMobile or Sproutcore available. Sep 22 18:40:55 is there a backup for the backup? Sep 22 18:41:02 maybe Sep 22 18:41:18 * CTLAdvance likes the pink grip halfhalo added to his crossbow Sep 22 18:41:18 this guy has crossbows up the wazoo! Sep 22 18:41:20 is there a backup for the backup of the backup? Sep 22 18:41:38 ... of the backup? Sep 22 18:41:40 (golf clap) Sep 22 18:42:24 mebe Sep 22 18:44:27 * PatrickC did it again last night Sep 22 18:44:41 takes other people files and trying to use them in your app doesn't work Sep 22 18:44:57 lol Sep 22 18:45:10 leiru, ah ok thanks. trying to decipher phonegap Sep 22 18:45:45 grr. enyo-wirc is just not showing the channels. its joining them just fine, but no way to make em appear. Sep 22 18:46:03 /join #channel-name? Sep 22 18:46:07 that works for me... Sep 22 18:46:18 doesn't do anything Sep 22 18:46:24 weird Sep 22 18:46:31 are you running PuffTheMagic's beta? Sep 22 18:46:44 right now I think i am Sep 22 18:46:50 PatrickC: Are you stealing code.... Sep 22 18:47:07 I haven't tried it with my bouncer yet.. but I don't know why it shouldnt work Sep 22 18:47:20 CTLAdvance: its open source, and I contacted the dev as well :) Sep 22 18:47:27 said it was fine Sep 22 18:48:09 I see... you know, palm should have made webOS apps compile into a closed container that could have had a fully updated instance of webkit vs doing what they do now Sep 22 18:48:29 it would have also made it harder for users like patc to get to the code :) Sep 22 18:48:35 lol Sep 22 18:48:43 lol Sep 22 18:48:57 kind of like a phonegap container for android or ios Sep 22 18:49:00 I had to install SVN to get the code, is that hard enough? :) Sep 22 18:49:09 * halfhalo can't wait for his pre3 and new computer parts Sep 22 18:49:16 svn is easy peasy Sep 22 18:49:22 I know Sep 22 18:49:23 svn co /trunk Sep 22 18:49:29 sudo apt-get install subversion Sep 22 18:49:36 so the question is... will palm push app updates today... Sep 22 18:49:38 and then copy/paste the link Sep 22 18:49:50 CTLAdvance: only if I get promo codes :) Sep 22 18:49:55 speaking of which... Sep 22 18:50:28 wtf. trying to copy wpa_supplicant to back it up and its cant create it because of a read-only file system Sep 22 18:50:37 wrea rootfs_open Sep 22 18:50:56 wrea: add it to a tar? and then take the tar off the device via novacom get ? Sep 22 18:51:35 halfhalo, Thanks. Sep 22 18:51:35 * halfhalo has script that uses automagic to grab files and folders off of a device Sep 22 18:51:46 What cause it to become readonly? Sep 22 18:51:54 Never had this happen before Sep 22 18:52:03 wrea the root filesystem is readonly by default Sep 22 18:52:41 * halfhalo has too many phones on him Sep 22 18:52:54 how many? Sep 22 18:52:58 5 Sep 22 18:53:03 wow Sep 22 18:53:07 if you want enyo-wirc to work with your crazy custom stuff, submit a patch :) Sep 22 18:53:09 I normally carry 2 Sep 22 18:53:10 Huh. Well, good to know of that command at least. Sep 22 18:53:32 oilsworkn: or you could finish it and submit it :) Sep 22 18:53:43 oilsworkn my patch's take longer to get made than it took for wirc to get ssl. Sep 22 18:53:48 YOU KNOW THIS! Sep 22 18:54:06 * halfhalo has one veer, two pre2's, a focus, and a flipphone Sep 22 18:54:14 flipphone?! Sep 22 18:54:16 why? lol Sep 22 18:54:34 make calls reliably and a battery that lasts for 6 years on a single charge? Sep 22 18:54:40 * PatrickC has a pre- and a pre2 Sep 22 18:54:59 oilsworkn: bah.. who needs reliability :P Sep 22 18:55:18 because flipphone is flippy Sep 22 18:55:19 people who use their phones Sep 22 18:55:29 I wonder if thats what palm asked themselves wuith webOS... Sep 22 18:55:31 who needs it Sep 22 18:55:40 :/ Sep 22 18:55:41 answer Sep 22 18:55:44 everyone Sep 22 18:55:49 trollin all the time Sep 22 18:55:55 trollolol Sep 22 18:56:05 Everyone needs reliability... and thats why halfhalo is forced to carry a dumbphone Sep 22 18:56:20 he probably has a pager too for text messaging Sep 22 18:56:21 my sprint pre2 is pretty reliable Sep 22 18:56:22 * halfhalo should point out the dumbphone doesn't actually make calls Sep 22 18:56:43 or work Sep 22 18:56:47 but it does have snake! Sep 22 18:56:48 lol Sep 22 18:56:52 lol then why have it Sep 22 18:56:59 Nokia Snake was the best1 Sep 22 18:57:00 to make you ask questions Sep 22 18:57:08 to throw at people when your 5th backup crosssbow breaks? Sep 22 18:57:20 * halfhalo has hatchett for that Sep 22 18:57:26 oh Sep 22 18:57:43 BEST PART OF BIO LAB: I GET TO LEGALLY PLAY WITH SHARP INSTRUMENTS Sep 22 18:58:01 that sounds like a mistake Sep 22 18:58:07 haha Sep 22 18:58:14 he will be on the news Sep 22 18:58:23 * PatrickC runs Sep 22 18:58:57 * halfhalo actually carrys a knife with him mainly because thats the only way he can open the veers sim card slot Sep 22 19:00:22 lol Sep 22 19:03:06 * halfhalo goes to browse newegg for new computer parts Sep 22 19:03:11 http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/rts_tablet/rts_tablet/1/storefronts/FB343AA%2523AC3?aoid=35252 Sep 22 19:03:32 i7+16GB ram+new mobo shall be MINE Sep 22 19:03:44 16gb ram wtf Sep 22 19:03:52 what are you doing Sep 22 19:04:10 16GB ram is like 90 bucks now Sep 22 19:04:40 why do u need that much ram Sep 22 19:04:46 mm... i7 2600k.... plus z68 mobo... Sep 22 19:04:47 ram is cheap now. Sep 22 19:04:56 why not? Sep 22 19:04:59 i paid $30 for 8gb for my mbp Sep 22 19:05:21 if i wanted to have 16gb on the other hand... Sep 22 19:05:22 depends what you're doing Sep 22 19:05:27 that would be north of $100 Sep 22 19:05:29 that would be north of $1000 Sep 22 19:05:30 * Sep 22 19:06:11 there is no logical reason for me to not spend an extra 40 bucks and get 16GB of ram vs 8 Sep 22 19:07:20 agreed Sep 22 19:07:30 * akanster thinks it Sep 22 19:07:36 that plus them fancy new pci-express 3.0 mobos and them fancy new 2600k cpus should give me a nice bump in performance Sep 22 19:07:45 arrgh! stupid enter button Sep 22 19:08:07 halfhalo: what's your current specs? Sep 22 19:08:38 q6600@3.6 8GB ram 780i mobo and mah shiny 5850 with just a mild oc Sep 22 19:09:11 wow, that destroys mine :( Sep 22 19:09:53 its due for an upgrade Sep 22 19:10:04 the mobo/cpu have not been upgraded since like 08 Sep 22 19:10:42 hey if it plays deus ex who needs an upgrade Sep 22 19:10:56 the tipping point was when my little air managed to get 70fps in handbrake while the desktop got 83fps Sep 22 19:19:08 lets see if the Pre 2 does any better in this room than the little veer Sep 22 19:19:11 WOO Sep 22 19:19:12 macbook air Sep 22 19:19:28 the air is magic on magic Sep 22 19:20:03 as in, reception-wise? Sep 22 19:20:07 its pretty decent Sep 22 19:20:24 summatusmentis: yeah Sep 22 19:20:33 as compared to this channel Sep 22 19:21:21 it seems to be better. holding at two bars vs the Veer 0-1 Sep 22 19:22:02 I wish there were a way to get real-user reception measurements of locations, rather than just "our potentially lying map tells you we have service here" Sep 22 19:22:09 harder to hide tho Sep 22 19:22:10 and I do prefer the veer kb Sep 22 19:22:20 because covering an area in a color tells me almost nothgin Sep 22 19:22:23 nothing* Sep 22 19:27:42 hmm.. Sep 22 19:29:04 So I can connect to an adhoc network without modifying the conf before doing so, but it fails getting ip info Sep 22 19:35:04 anyone with a pre3, can you PM me? Sep 22 19:36:04 lol Sep 22 19:36:39 its to get skype working on the touchpad :) Sep 22 19:36:52 I need the app link from Imposta Sep 22 19:37:44 skype works on the tp already. Sep 22 19:38:01 the official skype app Sep 22 19:40:27 lol Sep 22 19:40:48 the one that was released to only the pre3 Sep 22 19:41:07 man... znc doesn't remember PM conversations :P Sep 22 20:07:11 hey dkirker Sep 22 20:07:16 hi Sep 22 20:07:47 http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110922006720/en/HP-Names-Meg-Whitman-President-Chief-Executive Sep 22 20:07:50 really?!?!?! Sep 22 20:09:33 awesome! it's official Sep 22 20:09:41 yep! Sep 22 20:09:52 YESSSS Sep 22 20:09:55 hurray! Sep 22 20:09:58 app payments transferred to account Sep 22 20:10:01 Payback :D Sep 22 20:10:01 TIME TO BUY SOME STUFF Sep 22 20:10:01 he's outttttta there!!!!! Sep 22 20:10:08 And the stock drops 20% Sep 22 20:10:35 DON'T MESS WITH WEBOS BRO Sep 22 20:10:40 someone needs to make a meme Sep 22 20:10:46 * PatrickC kicks Khaytsus Sep 22 20:11:12 Tibfib_: it's not... webOS? Sep 22 20:11:21 Funny how HP's stock went from 33 to 24 on August 19th Sep 22 20:11:23 Apotheker eviscerated everything HP ever did Sep 22 20:12:08 HAHAHAHA. calling best buy to see if they have mba is stock Sep 22 20:12:18 first thing I heard: "WE DO NOT HAVE THE HP TOUCHPAD" Sep 22 20:12:34 :p Sep 22 20:13:32 poop Sep 22 20:13:39 best buy doesn't have the 13" air Sep 22 20:13:51 https://twitter.com/#!/Adora/status/116966906233225216 Sep 22 20:14:03 yay! Sep 22 20:14:13 now the rebuilding begins Sep 22 20:14:24 * akanster` remains cautiously optimistic Sep 22 20:14:39 hire back 525 palm gbu people? Sep 22 20:14:59 I don't know if its good for webOS or if its too late? Sep 22 20:15:02 return that $10 billion company Sep 22 20:15:16 I hope they kept the receipt Sep 22 20:15:30 Tibfib_: i am currently using a vaio 13" in my bed - but soon a thinkpad Sep 22 20:15:37 both ubuntu Sep 22 20:15:54 sony vaio isn't that compatible as thinkpads i think Sep 22 20:16:07 but they are both subnotebooks from my company Sep 22 20:16:33 time for some node! Sep 22 20:16:51 cwayne: leo is gone!!!!! Sep 22 20:17:29 PatrickC: wh Sep 22 20:17:35 http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110922006720/en/HP-Names-Meg-Whitman-President-Chief-Executive Sep 22 20:17:42 leo apotheker is gone Sep 22 20:17:43 fired Sep 22 20:17:45 ousted Sep 22 20:18:15 fuck yea Sep 22 20:18:20 woot Sep 22 20:18:59 rwatkins: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110922006720/en/HP-Names-Meg-Whitman-President-Chief-Executive Sep 22 20:18:59 put webOS back on the rails and I dont care what else Meg does with HP. Sep 22 20:19:00 :D Sep 22 20:19:20 It's official? Sep 22 20:19:26 indeed. Sep 22 20:19:38 yes Sep 22 20:19:39 klausa: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110922006720/en/HP-Names-Meg-Whitman-President-Chief-Executive Sep 22 20:19:40 https://twitter.com/#!/hpnews/status/116966466129117184 Sep 22 20:19:49 from hp itself Sep 22 20:19:51 I will post that link a hundred times over :) Sep 22 20:19:54 Wow. Sep 22 20:20:06 But I really doubt they'll bring back webOS. Sep 22 20:20:18 they better Sep 22 20:20:23 or begone with Meg! Sep 22 20:20:32 It's not like Leo woke up on 18th and said 'fuck it, I'm shutting webOS hardware today.'. Sep 22 20:20:47 hard to unfire the hardware team, but we'll see Sep 22 20:20:47 businesswire IS from HP Sep 22 20:21:01 wire news services are all official press releases Sep 22 20:21:55 dwc-: didn't know that Sep 22 20:22:06 that's how small companies get press Sep 22 20:22:18 they pay for the company to publish Sep 22 20:23:36 WOR updated their post, where is PreCentral?? lol Sep 22 20:23:40 so how many days has it been since webos hardware was cancled? 47? Sep 22 20:23:51 not even Sep 22 20:23:55 20? Sep 22 20:24:02 28 Sep 22 20:24:05 it was just about a month now Sep 22 20:24:09 plus a few days Sep 22 20:24:12 wait... 29 days haha Sep 22 20:24:29 yesterday was 4 weeks since my touchpads got delivered Sep 22 20:25:51 you guys are aware that when Leo eviscerated webOS/PSG/hardware section of HP, it wasn't a "GET RID OF WEBOS FOREVER" goal Sep 22 20:25:58 we were a side-effect of a bigger plan Sep 22 20:26:41 it was an "get rid of all physical products" plan. Sep 22 20:26:48 ^^ Sep 22 20:27:18 he had to keep printers or ... they would have just lopped off his head 29 days ago. Sep 22 20:27:24 right Sep 22 20:27:27 PEACE LEO Sep 22 20:27:49 so it's not like Whitman is gonna turn around and say "oh, j/k, we're keeping webOS hardware. All that other stuff? forget it" Sep 22 20:27:57 she may reverse his decisions Sep 22 20:28:02 but it's not gonna be to keep webOS Sep 22 20:28:20 atleast now there are more options for it than a hour ago. Sep 22 20:28:21 it better be Sep 22 20:28:23 it's gonna be because Leo did bad, dirty things to HP Sep 22 20:29:02 PatrickC: she's a CEO, she doesn't understand why webOS is so great the way we do. She's making business decisions Sep 22 20:29:08 and she's not going to single out webOS Sep 22 20:29:27 :/ Sep 22 20:29:28 I don't think this changes much with webOS. All the hardware people are already gone. That ship has sailed. Sep 22 20:29:34 once she uses it though :) Sep 22 20:30:18 they havent sold the hardware business yet, so perhaps HP you know, contiunues to make hardware. Sep 22 20:30:26 which provides a better path for .. future webOS hardware. Sep 22 20:31:14 agreed that the current hardware team is gone though, so thats kinda dead at the moment. Sep 22 20:32:14 sugardave: :) Sep 22 20:34:50 oilsworkn: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110922006720/en/HP-Names-Meg-Whitman-President-Chief-Executive Sep 22 20:35:07 lol, still spamming the link? :) Sep 22 20:35:14 yep :) Sep 22 20:35:21 that link won't get old :) Sep 22 20:35:27 * PatrickC should bit.ly it Sep 22 20:35:39 there we go Sep 22 20:35:44 hey dkirker Sep 22 20:40:33 webos nation needs to start a twitter shitstorm directed at whitman to bring back webos hardware Sep 22 20:41:44 and oilsworkn should be the one to start it Sep 22 20:42:08 like i have any weight Sep 22 20:43:11 maybe it we all listen to the broadcast on our touchpad it can help send a message. Sep 22 20:43:23 * EricBlade thinks weird things Sep 22 20:44:07 you know what weould be sweet? a webOS update for the TP tomorrow to celebrate. Sep 22 20:44:32 hello all Sep 22 20:46:30 is Whitman even on twitter? Sep 22 20:46:34 I have a strange problem with the touchpad. a few apps won't start anymore. after tapping on the icon, it glows one time and than stops without launching the app Sep 22 20:46:39 the hold music on the conference call sucks Sep 22 20:46:45 summatusmentis: i was just looking that up, looks like http://twitter.com/#!/MegWhitman Sep 22 20:46:53 does anybody have an idea? Sep 22 20:48:14 oilsworkn: I forgot how conservative she is Sep 22 20:48:25 MartinF__: have you tried rebooting the touchpad Sep 22 20:48:28 http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/116976841515995137 Sep 22 20:48:29 i started it Sep 22 20:48:30 I've run into that a couple of times Sep 22 20:48:31 there Sep 22 20:48:33 feel free to continue the shitstorm Sep 22 20:48:34 summatusmentis: yes, several times Sep 22 20:48:41 MartinF__: oh... hrm Sep 22 20:48:59 oilsworkn: call it 'The webOS' and she might reply Sep 22 20:49:14 no, just make sure you include @MittRomney in it Sep 22 20:49:26 lol Sep 22 20:49:30 #TeaParty also Sep 22 20:49:55 hmm Sep 22 20:50:14 * halfhalo is at ups picking up phone Sep 22 20:50:17 some apps start without any problems, i have no idea why some other apps not Sep 22 20:51:09 halfhalo which phone? did I ask you this already? Sep 22 20:51:26 pre 2 I think Sep 22 20:51:59 you don't know if it's a pre2 or not? Sep 22 20:52:54 90% sure it is Sep 22 20:55:23 http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/22/hp-meg-whitman-ceo-apotheker-year/ - fun comments... almost Engadget-like Sep 22 20:59:16 it would be awesome if in the conference call they're all "we're bringing the touchpad back! at $200 for 32gig" Sep 22 21:00:22 it would be awesome Sep 22 21:00:27 I'd be surprised, but it would be awesome Sep 22 21:00:44 they definitely priced it too high to begin with Sep 22 21:00:51 investor call isn't going to be about that sort of thing. Even if she's already issued orders, there's not likely to be anything useful in here Sep 22 21:01:02 but i do have it streaming on my touchpad, just in case. :) Sep 22 21:01:25 it was an investor call when they eviscerated the whole company wasn't it? Sep 22 21:01:41 yup Sep 22 21:02:15 that was a different situation though. And a different leader. Sep 22 21:02:25 dont kill our dreams EricBlade! Sep 22 21:02:45 tech industry news > daytime soap opera Sep 22 21:02:56 except the chicks aren't as hot? Sep 22 21:02:59 haha Sep 22 21:03:03 Only reason I can think, is that Leo seriously thought that killing what he'd just sunk a billion dollars into, would actualyl -improve- investor's views. Sep 22 21:03:29 akanster: Palm has Adora. Sep 22 21:03:53 er, oilsworkn: Palm has Adora Sep 22 21:04:09 ok, 1 Sep 22 21:04:14 lol Sep 22 21:04:46 "Remarkably, when the 12-member board voted to name Mr. Apotheker as the successor to the recently ousted chief executive, Mark Hurd, most board members had never met Mr. Apotheker." Sep 22 21:04:55 this NYT article is juicy Sep 22 21:05:07 yeah, no wonder it was a failure Sep 22 21:05:22 its only a $40 billion dollar company, no need to meet the guy. Sep 22 21:05:32 i wonder if he ever got around to spending the $8 million or whatever he got to move Sep 22 21:05:48 he gets $25 mil to leave Sep 22 21:06:09 whowhatnow? Sep 22 21:06:15 wow, make me ceo, i'll fail pretty good Sep 22 21:06:17 which reminds me, gotta remember to add that clause to my next employment agreement Sep 22 21:06:33 "The changes are effective immediately, and CNN Money reports that Apotheker will receive a $25m cash-and-stock severance package." -- http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/22/hp-meg-whitman-ceo-apotheker-year/ Sep 22 21:06:38 Jeff the conference moderator sounds like a voicemail . Sep 22 21:06:59 so $33m plus whatever his regular wages were Sep 22 21:07:03 they finally kick him out? Sep 22 21:07:11 for not even a year Sep 22 21:07:19 maybe its only a $18 mill package now due to market cap loss. Sep 22 21:07:19 * oilsworkn is in the wrong business Sep 22 21:07:26 * oilsworkn goes to buy a suit Sep 22 21:07:48 make sure it's an alphabet suit Sep 22 21:07:50 oilsworkn: get an MBA and you too can make a fortune wreaking havoc on people's dreams. Sep 22 21:08:03 i bet i can buy one of those on the internets Sep 22 21:08:08 I kind of can't believe that I'm actually about to listen to Meg Whitman speak. Sep 22 21:08:38 lol Sep 22 21:08:48 rwatkins: or he can hold onto the stock and hopes Whitman fixes his mess, then cash out Sep 22 21:08:51 * halfhalo missed a lot in class and car Sep 22 21:09:53 board believes it's absolutely necessary to replace leadership .. for years HP had cut costs rather than innovate, so they brought in Leo to support the company's future, resulting in a series of decisions to advance the company, however it became increasingly clear that we needed new leadership to .. he's moving too fast for me. Sep 22 21:10:41 just look at Sep 22 21:10:42 http://live.thisismynext.com/Event/HP_CEO_change_conference_call Sep 22 21:12:07 Apparently they need a new leader to execute their strategy--THEY HAVE A STRATEGY? :o Sep 22 21:12:26 thanks oils Sep 22 21:12:40 thanks Sep 22 21:13:15 ...or listen: http://edge.media-server.com/m/p/mpyypt62/lan/en somebody probably posted that earlier. Sep 22 21:13:26 lol oils Sep 22 21:13:50 jeezus the girl talking now sounds like an automated weather system Sep 22 21:14:16 EricBlade: She's the one who tore webOS a new hole back on the Q3 earnings call. Sep 22 21:14:21 CFO Sep 22 21:14:59 no mention of mobile hardware in their future, pc's servers, printers, software Sep 22 21:15:15 touchpad, pre, veer gone Sep 22 21:15:27 it's her first hour... relax Sep 22 21:15:42 PSG: Decision by year's end. Sep 22 21:15:43 continuing with autonomy Sep 22 21:16:00 "continue to explore decisions to optimize the value of webos software" Sep 22 21:16:19 Le sigh. Sep 22 21:19:32 "Struggled in the Aug. 18 announcements." What an understatement. Sep 22 21:20:35 link? Sep 22 21:20:41 Meg supportive of the actions announced Aug 18 Sep 22 21:20:44 guys, she's been on the job for less than a day Sep 22 21:20:45 http://edge.media-server.com/m/p/mpyypt62/lan/en Sep 22 21:20:50 will review the strategic initiatives though Sep 22 21:22:43 "we have $120B in hardware business that we care dearly about" Sep 22 21:22:57 ...and are considering spinning-off. :P Sep 22 21:26:28 Q: Why appoint a permanent CEO right away? A (Ray Lane): 'cause I thought from the outset that Meg was the best choice from the outset. Sep 22 21:26:49 Whoops, double 'from the outset'. Sep 22 21:26:51 well if at first you don't succeed .. Sep 22 21:28:16 still more support for the Aug 18 stuff Sep 22 21:28:26 just saying that it was communicated improperly Sep 22 21:29:04 Even if they change their minds on some of the initiatives later, they won't say so until they have some answers. Sep 22 21:29:42 questioner raking them over the coals for their process of decision making Sep 22 21:29:56 "Remember, this board did NOT select Leo" . lol Sep 22 21:30:14 haha Sep 22 21:30:37 ...and rightfully so. If I had $ in HP I'd have some serious questions about the board's decision-making. Sep 22 21:32:20 Q: "How are you going to stop the bleeding of your share price because of the uncertainty surrounding the PSG?" A (Whitman): We have to make-up our minds super-fast. Sep 22 21:32:58 *cracks whip* Sep 22 21:33:00 to add to that, though, she did spin that towards dealing with the communication problem, "we need to announce what we're going to do, and then do it." Sep 22 21:34:01 Q: How long were you thinking about this transition? A (Lane): Not very long, so I can't say. ;) Sep 22 21:35:30 they want to do the spinoff stuff but remain the brand name behind it Sep 22 21:35:49 "...if investors like it." Sep 22 21:36:02 Seems to me they already have their answer. :s Sep 22 21:37:15 More of the same wishy washy junk..... If the August 18th decision is "still supported", THEN WHY BOOT LEO!? This is a sick joke. (sigh) /via techjunky79 Sep 22 21:37:33 ^^ Sep 22 21:37:42 it's probably not the most terrible of ideas, but a probably better idea, would be to just grant the PSG group much more autonomy. Seperating everything is extremely costly. Sep 22 21:38:48 So, I'm returning to cautious optimism for us all here :) Sep 22 21:39:18 http://signup.splashtop.com/16u41 Sep 22 21:42:34 the decision to be a software/cloud company isn't inherently bad Sep 22 21:44:28 It isn't, and I think that's why they're sticking to their guns on those announcements, but it can't hurt to have hardware driving use of those services. Sep 22 21:46:16 well, and it's drastic to completely eviscerate everything your brand has been up to this point Sep 22 21:46:35 eviscerate. i love that word. Sep 22 21:46:40 summatusmentis: +100 Sep 22 21:46:49 yup Sep 22 21:47:10 why did everyone think she would come in and turn the company upside down in the first 15 mins? Sep 22 21:47:25 no idea, it's not like she can reverse everything overnight Sep 22 21:47:31 stuff takes time Sep 22 21:47:47 note how long it's taken HP to shutdown their hardware? it's still not done Sep 22 21:47:58 plus, they have to move slowly and not spook shareholders Sep 22 21:47:59 * halfhalo sees it as a company kicking its top performing sales agent out for making the rest of the company look bad Sep 22 21:48:09 all I can say is.... BRING ON THE GO'S Sep 22 21:48:30 hah, I doubt it Sep 22 21:49:03 they are in a Sudanese landfill by now Sep 22 21:49:06 haha Sep 22 21:49:59 http://www.tabletsupportforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283 Sep 22 21:51:18 Who voted no? Clearly must the the author of http://leoapotheker-mylife.com/ Sep 22 21:51:38 wow.. lol Sep 22 21:52:26 Yeah, I couldn't believe it when I found it yesterday; thought it was a parody site. Sep 22 21:52:40 Much to my horror, I discovered it was legit. Sep 22 21:53:15 well damn Sep 22 21:53:23 losers have fans too Sep 22 21:53:32 akanster: i think there was some hope that this would start with something along the lines of "we are immediately reviewing the direction of the company, sit tight with us for a few days." Sep 22 21:53:43 Seems to be the blog of a woman from SAP who met Leo once and became so enraptured she had to create a creepy but well-designed blog. :s Sep 22 21:54:13 AproposTS: how did you come across it? Sep 22 21:54:51 I'd have to check my history to say for sure, I do a lot of aimless surfing. Sep 22 21:56:05 "We don't know, we're working on it, when I know, you'll know." Sep 22 21:57:26 Looks like it was maybe the Cringely article--which isn't loading right now. Sep 22 21:59:38 Indeed, in a comment from the blogger in question: http://www.cringely.com/2011/02/why-leo-apotheker-will-be-fired-from-hewlett-packard/comment-page-1/#comment-70473 Sep 22 22:01:06 oh wow Sep 22 22:01:53 Her daughter is mad-hot. :P Sep 22 22:02:23 hey Sep 22 22:02:24 Well, attractive enough at least. Sep 22 22:02:46 can I disable both cores at 1.7ghz all the time on F15C? Sep 22 22:03:20 With that gem, I bid you all adieu. Sep 22 22:06:05 Disable both cores? Sep 22 22:06:58 oh hey Sep 22 22:07:05 now ZDNET wants the TOUCHPAD back! Sep 22 22:07:06 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/dear-new-hp-ceo-bring-the-touchpad-line-back/4615 Sep 22 22:07:07 if you were to disable both cores, what would do the processing? Sep 22 22:07:15 EricBlade: Unicorns Sep 22 22:07:35 Don’t misunderstand me, the original TouchPad was not perfect by any means, but it is the one single tablet that made a dent in a previously untouchable tablet market. Sep 22 22:07:37 * fxspec06 finds it amusing that ZDNET would hate on the touchpad and now they are writing a letter to bring it back Sep 22 22:07:37 fxspec06: that's jkendrick... he's been supportive since the beginning Sep 22 22:07:39 Because they were GIVING THEM AWAY Sep 22 22:07:57 oh yeah, it's jkendrick. he's cool. Sep 22 22:08:11 he does write for zdnet Sep 22 22:08:28 jkendrick is from jkontherun. those guys have been webOS supporters from the begining Sep 22 22:08:33 jperlow is the one i dislike Sep 22 22:08:44 Khaytsus: there have been other tablets priced at $99, and they weren't successful Sep 22 22:08:58 summatusmentis: They were absolute _shit_ of course. Sep 22 22:09:07 well, yes Sep 22 22:09:14 clearly the pricepoint played a role Sep 22 22:09:34 but part of the point is that the TP was a good enough tablet to be a STEAL at $99 Sep 22 22:09:37 also, it was a $400 tablet for $100. Not a $100 tablet Sep 22 22:10:05 Nobody will pay "only" $100 for a total turd (say .. an archos) but they'll pay $100 for good HW even if the future is a little questionable as it did things a lot of people needed immediately Sep 22 22:10:21 exactly Sep 22 22:10:32 which means it was compelling enough, and the pricing tipped the scale Sep 22 22:11:06 But they'll never sell them again at that price, and with the mass flood of them in the market are there people will willing to pay $250? (my estimated low point for the 16g retail) Sep 22 22:11:35 How did the development community react to the firesale? Did they get scared or excited? Sep 22 22:11:45 PatrickC: the login and registration process over at tabletsupport is royally broken, i tried signing up over there when you first linked it a few days ago, when there were like 4 users, and it threw me out, and now it won't let me in saying my facebook id and email are already used.. Sep 22 22:11:46 intially they got scared Sep 22 22:11:51 the smart ones stayed Sep 22 22:12:01 ^^^^^^^^just my opinion Sep 22 22:12:02 Khaytsus: yes. Sep 22 22:12:24 EricBlade: hmm.. email me, I'll pass it on to my admin Sep 22 22:12:28 did you try logging in? Sep 22 22:12:39 yeah i don't have a login name Sep 22 22:12:53 ok.. email me, and I'll pass it along Sep 22 22:12:54 scared. and excited. Sep 22 22:13:04 that way he can get in touch with you Sep 22 22:13:07 (my admin) Sep 22 22:13:31 and i just told it to email me my password, but nothing happened Sep 22 22:14:31 hmm.. yeah Sep 22 22:14:33 Khaytsus: initially many were scared Sep 22 22:14:38 that shouldn't be happening Sep 22 22:14:41 I'll get it fixed Sep 22 22:14:50 ooh, the penis pills spammers have reached the gvoice blog. sigh. Sep 22 22:14:52 but people like zhephree or ingloriousapps saw significant increases in sales of their apps Sep 22 22:18:17 c'mon people, only 16 people entered and we have 25 codes http://www.tabletsupportforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275 Sep 22 22:18:18 :) Sep 22 22:22:56 thing is, there's no compelling reason to participate in a tablet forum Sep 22 22:23:04 I generally try to stay away from forums anyway Sep 22 22:23:32 yeah, I have a particular device - why would I go to a forum where there is no focused community on the specific device that I own. Sep 22 22:23:58 rwhitby: its several communities. we have a webOS community Sep 22 22:25:13 meg says still "exploring options to optimize the options of webos software" Sep 22 22:25:26 more crappy forum software, that *exactly* what I need in my life. Sep 22 22:25:28 I bet she carries an iPhone Sep 22 22:25:56 and an american flag app Sep 22 22:25:57 somewhere there Sep 22 22:26:19 no, no Sep 22 22:26:22 it's gotta be a flag pin Sep 22 22:27:29 haha Sep 22 22:32:25 DOH Sep 22 22:32:30 can I disable the running of one of the two cores in f15c? Sep 22 22:32:36 local store doesn't have 13" mba's in stock Sep 22 22:32:39 FOILED Sep 22 22:32:39 both cores are at 1.7ghz now Sep 22 22:33:36 Tibfib_ fail! Sep 22 22:33:42 inorite Sep 22 22:34:04 sooo next week it looks like Sep 22 22:34:17 :/ Sep 22 22:34:39 inorite Sep 22 22:35:20 * halfhalo goes back to browsing newegg Sep 22 22:35:36 still shopping for your i7? Sep 22 22:36:25 I know I'm getting the 2600k, looking at mobo's now Sep 22 22:36:43 greetings #webos Sep 22 22:37:28 hey haeffb Sep 22 22:38:27 https://twitter.com/#!/MegWhitman Sep 22 22:47:19 my $19.99 Sprint Pixi from ebay was delivered today Sep 22 22:47:24 woohoo! Sep 22 22:47:41 PatrickC: we can't enter. we don't have 5 posts yet Sep 22 22:47:44 I feel like at this point, that was a bad deal Sep 22 22:47:57 $20 with shipping? that's not bad Sep 22 22:48:37 I kid, I kid Sep 22 22:49:05 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3341878 Sep 22 22:50:01 but sprint - what are you going to do? sign up for a new plan for it? Sep 22 22:50:17 or, I guess it's a precentral too Sep 22 22:50:47 unlocked GSM FTW Sep 22 22:51:21 dwc-: that's easy to fix :) Sep 22 22:55:29 fudge Sep 22 22:57:15 timeline is cool Sep 22 23:02:24 touchstone for $40 on amazon Sep 22 23:02:40 nice Sep 22 23:02:40 hmmmmmmmm Sep 22 23:05:22 Tibfib: touchpad touchstone or phone? haha Sep 22 23:07:14 wish I had my phone so I could use some of those promo codes Sep 22 23:07:30 still no app updates I see Sep 22 23:07:47 no tablet or other phone? Sep 22 23:10:27 wrea: use the touchpad Sep 22 23:10:27 if the touchpad and phone are on the same profile it transfers Sep 22 23:16:50 i saw a post last night for a $30 pixi. i was curious as to if that was something that would be worth spending the money on. Sep 22 23:18:18 Pixi was the candybar, basically old veer, eh? Sep 22 23:20:09 pixi was a waste of time and resources. Sep 22 23:25:08 PatrickC: all but one are buyable on the touchpad Sep 22 23:25:10 the weird part was those $30 Pixis were new. Sep 22 23:25:28 the palm HQ store had $27 pixis Sep 22 23:25:38 dwc-: AT&T? Sep 22 23:25:48 and yes, it's the candybar veer-sized-screen Sep 22 23:25:56 akanster: all carriers it was released on Sep 22 23:26:00 wow Sep 22 23:26:09 good backup phone to have Sep 22 23:26:58 you don't want a Pixi. PixiPlus is the minimum anyone should consider. Sep 22 23:27:05 they had both Sep 22 23:27:13 rwhitby: on At Sep 22 23:27:28 rwhitby: on AT&T, it's only Pixi Plus Sep 22 23:27:48 hey, they had treos for $27 too = Sep 22 23:27:51 ] Sep 22 23:28:27 So what was the point of the veer? Pixi refresh? Sep 22 23:35:09 dwc-: huh? Sep 22 23:36:07 Forbes: "webOS Future Murky Under New HP CEO" .. as if it was clear as day before? Sep 22 23:37:47 EricBlade: I need to talk to u.. lol.. I'll PM Sep 22 23:39:15 so hp still sucks? Sep 22 23:39:15 https://twitter.com/#!/batdrance/status/117014829990027265 - lmao Sep 22 23:40:25 its too bad wirc enyo still doesn't make links clickable xD Sep 22 23:44:05 oil_tp: you should fix that :) Sep 22 23:44:27 yeah, and mentions Sep 22 23:45:03 this is actually the first time I've used it when I wasn't just at my desk working on it Sep 22 23:45:27 lol Sep 22 23:46:33 oil_tp: give us your unbiased review as a user Sep 22 23:47:03 (if that's possible) Sep 22 23:48:38 its pretty awesome that's for sure hahha Sep 22 23:48:58 so, no, its not possible Sep 22 23:50:07 lol Sep 22 23:51:39 Sprint Sucks. Sep 22 23:51:57 haeffb: we know.. :/ Sep 22 23:52:55 activating the Pixi and they are charging me another $10 a month for "Premium Data" Sep 22 23:53:09 like the Pre that was on that line didn't use "Premium Data" Sep 22 23:53:45 You guys and your weird carriers. I swap my sim into whatever GSM phone I choose and the carrier doesn't even know or care that I've done it. Sep 22 23:54:25 Trying to charge me differently for the dumb pipe they provide based on what phone I'm using is ludicrous. Sep 22 23:56:24 they started charging the extra $10 a month a while back, but it apparently doesn't take effect until you actually activate a new phone Sep 22 23:56:45 rwhitby: its not based on what device, its on all smartphones after like march first Sep 22 23:57:06 haeffb: correct, you are grandfathered in until you upgrade/swap a phone Sep 22 23:57:30 bitchez Sep 22 23:57:34 PatrickC: and why is smartphone usage of data different to dumbphone usage of data? It's the same bits being transferred over the dumb pipe regardless of what phone is displaying them. Sep 22 23:57:54 rwhitby: that's what sprint's policy is iirc Sep 22 23:57:56 idk why Sep 22 23:58:11 As I said, ludicrous. Sep 22 23:58:28 it is Sep 22 23:58:41 which is why I'm trying to get my parents to switch to AT&T Sep 22 23:59:07 I have 3 phones (2 now, 3rd arrives tomorrow) that will run on AT&T, we wouldn't even have to buy a phone... Sep 22 23:59:14 hoping they say yes in Feb... Sep 22 23:59:32 hmm Sep 22 23:59:45 so my Pre 3 gets 3G in about 50% of places that my other, fully AT&T compatible phoens do Sep 22 23:59:52 however, EDGE is nowhere near unusable Sep 23 00:00:11 * PatrickC is worried about EDGE... Sep 23 00:00:13 "service doesn't work at all" is much more common with AT&T than "works on EDGE but not 3G" Sep 23 00:00:20 is it like 1X on sprint? Sep 23 00:00:21 (at least in San Francisco) Sep 23 00:00:26 PatrickC: it's like EDGE? Sep 23 00:00:43 * PatrickC has never used EDGE Sep 23 00:00:57 you have Sep 23 00:01:19 how? I've been on sprint for the entire time I've had data Sep 23 00:01:39 PatrickC: find a friend and try their phone :p Sep 23 00:01:44 lol Sep 23 00:06:36 poor leo got the boot b4 he really had a chance Sep 23 00:07:45 Bmyers: shame on you.. Leo was the worst thing to happen to webOS Sep 23 00:17:07 PatrickC: no, the worst thing to happen to webOS was webOS Sep 23 00:17:15 lol Sep 23 00:18:04 Bmyers: oh he had a chance Sep 23 00:18:58 in less than a year he shipped a couple could-have-been better devices and completely killed webOS, stopped making PCs, and completely changed HP Sep 23 00:19:02 i was trolling. glad to see him go. Sep 23 00:19:22 OH YOU Sep 23 00:19:28 when your stock drops that much, it's inevitable Sep 23 00:19:38 lol Sep 23 00:19:50 Xuzz: BTW, did you experience any TMC errors on the Pre 3 ? Sep 23 00:19:58 I did, but I haven't after UberKernel. Sep 23 00:20:16 (I was wondering if UberKernel changed that because today I had like 15 cards open at once and it was fine.) Sep 23 00:20:30 (But yesterday I did have one issue with getting TMC without *any* cards open.) Sep 23 00:31:51 Xuzz: yes, UberKernel contains a specific fix for TMC errors. Sep 23 00:31:59 cool, seems to work! Sep 23 00:32:33 be aware that if you have 15 cards open, then response time to an incoming important phone call may suffer ;) Sep 23 00:35:52 I often find the phone responds to the call much faster than the gui does...but that doesn't help if you're stuck waiting for it to respond to you pushing the answer button Sep 23 00:36:25 or if you have a bluetooth, you an make/receive calls before luna even finishes Sep 23 00:36:47 sometimes before you enter the luna boot stage in my experiences Sep 23 00:57:44 cuuuuuuuuuute the "Mute Sound" option doesn't work for the video player Sep 23 01:02:54 lol Sep 23 01:13:53 hey EricBlade / PatrickC Sep 23 01:13:54 :B Sep 23 01:14:19 yeah? Sep 23 01:23:23 yo Sep 23 01:24:20 eighthree: yes? Sep 23 01:24:33 responding to manny now ;) Sep 23 01:24:42 fooking work … i need a drink Sep 23 01:24:45 sup EricBlade Sep 23 01:44:18 howdy folks Sep 23 01:44:29 at&t pre 3 shipped *squee* Sep 23 01:44:31 hey Sep 23 01:44:41 * PatrickC 's arrives tomorrow! Sep 23 01:44:43 on a totally unrelated note, anyone in the market for a barely-used UK pre 3? :D Sep 23 01:44:50 lol Sep 23 01:45:00 $350 + shipping! Sep 23 01:48:08 Gah, mechanical pencil in arm! Sep 23 01:48:36 lead poisoning! Sep 23 01:48:54 umm.. its graphite now :P Sep 23 01:48:59 I know Sep 23 01:49:03 I was joking! Sep 23 01:49:24 haha Sep 23 01:49:38 * Nilium smacks seretogis for using a joke with an anachronism Sep 23 01:49:53 :[ Sep 23 01:50:12 * PatrickC thinks http://mobileroundup.com will be awesome :) Sep 23 01:51:34 That being what now? Sep 23 01:51:54 a new blog coming in 8 days :) Sep 23 01:52:01 Oh goody.. another blog about mobiles.. Sep 23 01:52:21 its a sister site for http://webosroundup.com Sep 23 01:52:42 Do you work on it? Sep 23 01:53:01 mebe Sep 23 01:53:38 Well, I won't be checking it post-launch, so I guess I'll have to wait for someone to tell me why to read it. Sep 23 01:54:02 I'll tell you why, its engadget, but not dumb :P Sep 23 01:54:13 that sentence doesn't make sense Sep 23 01:54:22 So it doesn't exist? Sep 23 01:54:28 I read it as "it's extremely retarded, but not dumb" Sep 23 01:54:54 Here's a good way to judge Yet Another Mobile Blog: does it have any journalistic integrity? Sep 23 01:55:05 engadget is a blog about all things electronic (which included mobile) and mobileRoundup is about all things mobile Sep 23 01:55:17 I just meant that engadget is very low quality Sep 23 01:55:18 Nilium: yes, which is what I was trying to say Sep 23 01:55:28 * PatrickC failed to get that across :/ Sep 23 01:56:35 If you post top 10 lists of why X is better than Y, post rumors without actually saying up front they are rumors, or do any of the other things that the typical tech blog does (see Cult of Mac for the worst of the worst), you do not have journalistic integrity Sep 23 01:56:49 If you farm for clicks by writing link bait posts, you also lack journalistic integrity. I see that one a lot. Sep 23 01:57:44 Nilium: we won't do any of those things Sep 23 01:57:47 We'll see. Sep 23 01:58:01 Do you think TechCrunch is a good site? Sep 23 01:58:04 does http://webosroundup.com do any of those things? Sep 23 01:58:11 Don't know, I don't pay attention to it. Sep 23 01:58:20 * PatrickC doesn't follow many tech sites that aren't webos centered :) Sep 23 01:58:28 I used to follow engadget Sep 23 01:58:32 I ignore most blogs due to their severe quality control issues. Sep 23 01:58:39 I like This is My Next, but their new name is garbage Sep 23 01:58:50 "Verge" lol Sep 23 01:58:55 yeah.. Sep 23 01:58:59 thisismynext is the best tech blog out there Sep 23 01:59:02 sounds like a 90s grundge band Sep 23 01:59:04 grunge* Sep 23 01:59:29 Tibfib: they have an Rss feed I presume? Sep 23 01:59:38 they do! Sep 23 01:59:42 ...yes Sep 23 01:59:46 it's truncated though Sep 23 01:59:48 This is My Next was a clever name, I thought. Sep 23 01:59:48 pathetic. Sep 23 01:59:50 I would say that Ars Technica does the best job of being a tech news site Sep 23 01:59:55 yeah Tibfib I hate that :/ Sep 23 02:00:07 Though the fact that they're not called a blog might preclude them from consideration Sep 23 02:00:10 seretogis: wizardrss.com works semi-decently Sep 23 02:00:25 emphasis on the "semi" Sep 23 02:00:30 Ars Technica lost my readership when they whined about people using ad blockers Sep 23 02:00:48 I saw that. I just unblocked their ads and went about happily reading their site. Sep 23 02:01:44 I thought that whining about ad blockers without providing any alternative means to contribute to the site was stupid enough to warrant deleting that RSS feed Sep 23 02:02:02 Did they offer the Premier subscription at the time? I forget. Sep 23 02:02:42 Either way, they asked, so I unblocked their ads as a matter of being polite. Sep 23 02:02:44 I don't believe so, no merchandising either Sep 23 02:02:54 Merchandising? Sep 23 02:03:07 I'd rather buy an ars t-shirt than look at ads. Sep 23 02:03:30 well, I'd rather do neither now, but, back then I would have preferred it. Sep 23 02:03:58 Honestly, your behavior sounds whinier than theirs, but eh. Sep 23 02:04:16 i don't mind ads on the computer -- have to look at what to do/what not to do when i make them x) Sep 23 02:04:29 I'll take some ads if it means I get good writing Sep 23 02:04:44 Unlike, say, gizmodo, which is the scum of the earth Sep 23 02:05:07 well, I wouldn't give gizmodo/engadget money regardless Sep 23 02:05:17 me either Sep 23 02:05:32 Engadget is fine when they stick to real information, but I still don't read 'em. Sep 23 02:05:37 gizmodo is awful. Sep 23 02:05:41 engadget is decent Sep 23 02:05:49 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100306/1649198451.shtml Sep 23 02:06:06 http://www.somethingawful.com/ Sep 23 02:07:30 twbbas: PING Sep 23 02:07:33 murr Sep 23 02:13:03 * PatrickC contemplates learning PHP/MySQL Sep 23 02:13:13 doitdoitdoit Sep 23 02:13:25 though you may want to switch to PHP/PostgreSQL ;P Sep 23 02:13:39 PHP is pretty easy to pick up and there is a TON of documentation available Sep 23 02:14:01 PatrickC: avoid PHP Sep 23 02:14:06 Ruby/Rails Sep 23 02:14:10 eww! Sep 23 02:14:23 avoid Ruby/Rails Sep 23 02:14:24 Node.JS ;) Sep 23 02:14:30 haha Sep 23 02:14:33 lol Sep 23 02:14:42 * PatrickC needs to learn JS first :) Sep 23 02:14:45 I don't care what language, just learn one fully Sep 23 02:14:48 seretogis: i honestly cannot comprehend how Ruby gets an ewww when PHP does not Sep 23 02:14:59 Node.js is fine, Ruby is fine, Python is fine Sep 23 02:15:01 but i'd avoid PHP Sep 23 02:15:08 I didn't "eww" Ruby, I "eww"d Rails. Sep 23 02:15:13 * halfhalo happens to like rails thankyouverymuch, its great for what he needs it for Sep 23 02:15:22 halfhalo: +1 Sep 23 02:15:25 "I don't care what language, just learn one fully" Sep 23 02:15:32 Xuzz: oh, they both get ewww's from me. Sep 23 02:15:33 Ruby only because it's so incredibly obfuscated on the sysadmin side of things. Sep 23 02:15:34 haven't we been saying this for at least a year? Sep 23 02:15:38 i don't really care as long as you don't try and start with C++ or PHP Sep 23 02:15:41 * PatrickC just heard that MySQL was good for making a Packages file easily : Sep 23 02:15:46 oh god Sep 23 02:15:48 lol Sep 23 02:16:20 anything to cut time :P Sep 23 02:16:29 "ruby, where everythings an object! that number? its an object? the whitespace in the code? object!" Sep 23 02:17:01 in what scripting/etc language is everything not an object? (except PHP) Sep 23 02:17:17 js Sep 23 02:17:23 ish Sep 23 02:17:32 hmmmmmm Sep 23 02:17:34 close enough in js, they fake it pretty well Sep 23 02:17:51 Perl Sep 23 02:17:51 :P Sep 23 02:17:57 lol perl Sep 23 02:18:06 perl doesn't count, its just a monkey bashing on a kb half the time Sep 23 02:18:09 <3 Perl Poetry <3 Sep 23 02:18:15 also: harmony proxies in js ftw Sep 23 02:18:24 cat /dev/urandom | perl << chance of syntax error: 0% Sep 23 02:18:48 * halfhalo hearts method missing Sep 23 02:20:09 * halfhalo thinks he lost people, but thats ok. Sep 23 02:20:53 Xuzz: that's likely a valid perl syntax too ;) Sep 23 02:21:03 we need a good wiki app for webOS :) Sep 23 02:21:17 there is one. its called "browser" Sep 23 02:21:37 the browser always ends up erasing links when I edit things lol Sep 23 02:22:17 halfhalo: knucks Sep 23 02:22:24 who wants to play leodarts Sep 23 02:22:39 that's probably the mobile rewriter that someone put on our wiki not working properly. BTW, I think it's in ruby/rails ;) Sep 23 02:22:52 no, its not Sep 23 02:23:16 its some horrible combination of ruby and merb and demons Sep 23 02:23:29 * rwhitby case rested Sep 23 02:26:40 demons in programs are bad. they haunt your bits. Sep 23 02:28:18 i'm surprised noone's interested in leodarts. Sep 23 02:28:39 fxspec06: I am! Sep 23 02:28:42 it's even better than the adora bobblehead Sep 23 02:28:45 * rwhitby has no idea what leodarts is, so lacks interest due to that. Sep 23 02:28:58 are they like leotards ? Sep 23 02:29:07 * PatrickC hopes now Sep 23 02:29:26 not* Sep 23 02:29:28 fail.. lol Sep 23 02:29:36 the premise is simple: images of leo fill your touchpad screen, and you throw darts at him. you get 3 darts per "stage", and the score is completely random (but that's besides the point) Sep 23 02:30:04 fxspec06: did you really build that app? lol Sep 23 02:30:07 when the game is over you see your score and can play over and over and over Sep 23 02:30:13 :D Sep 23 02:30:18 haha Sep 23 02:30:22 that will sell :P Sep 23 02:30:30 yeah i just made it after dinner Sep 23 02:30:34 psh it's free Sep 23 02:30:35 haha Sep 23 02:30:41 send me the IPK! Sep 23 02:30:43 :) Sep 23 02:30:58 i need a dart sound Sep 23 02:31:04 build it for phones too Sep 23 02:31:08 I might have one Sep 23 02:31:22 wait.. not.. its in jordan's app :P Sep 23 02:31:26 ask him for it Sep 23 02:35:04 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40574271/com.fxspec.leodarts_3.0.2_all.ipk Sep 23 02:36:50 version 3 already? Sep 23 02:36:52 dang Sep 23 02:36:59 lol Sep 23 02:37:29 lol Sep 23 02:38:32 fxspec06: its a mojo app? lol Sep 23 02:38:49 yeah you weren't supposed to know that Sep 23 02:39:02 i never shut off the menu Sep 23 02:39:14 ^^ that's how I found out lol Sep 23 02:39:23 * fxspec06 likes the mojo transitions Sep 23 02:39:25 it *almost* works perfectly on phone Sep 23 02:39:34 almost? Sep 23 02:39:46 oh yeah idrc maybe later i'll fix it up Sep 23 02:39:46 it doesn't scale the text peoperly Sep 23 02:39:49 for scores Sep 23 02:39:56 i'll fix it up Sep 23 02:39:58 I killed LEO! :P Sep 23 02:40:04 1650 points Sep 23 02:40:12 i need more leo images Sep 23 02:40:25 ill bbs Sep 23 02:40:37 soooo I could get this: http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/59032/dell-home-office-dell-xps-17-laptop-quad-core-i72630qm-2.0ghz-8gb-ddr3-1tb-raid0-hdd-17.3-1080p-led-3gb-geforce-gt-555m-bluray-wifi-n-9cell-battery-win-7-prem Sep 23 02:41:20 or better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=u481089t3317432f30fp58572dd0c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16834230027 Sep 23 02:41:43 air Sep 23 02:41:47 better in stats. uggllllyyyy though Sep 23 02:41:49 end of story Sep 23 02:43:36 oh dang: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=481089&t=3220862 Sep 23 02:43:46 this thread has been renewed like 15 times Sep 23 02:46:16 night everyone Sep 23 02:47:32 air Sep 23 02:47:34 air air air air air air Sep 23 02:49:08 later tib Sep 23 02:51:31 soooo Sep 23 02:51:37 i have an unused onSale token Sep 23 02:51:41 for a 32GB touchpad :B Sep 23 02:52:16 lol Sep 23 02:52:28 I'll give you a handie for it Sep 23 02:52:37 handie? Sep 23 02:52:42 :o Sep 23 02:52:46 ;) Sep 23 02:52:49 LOL Sep 23 02:53:03 So I'd imagine everyone in here has heard that Apotheker is out, and Meg Whitman is in? Sep 23 02:53:13 yep Sep 23 02:53:21 I figured it'd have been posted in here like 20 times Sep 23 02:55:09 live discussion even Sep 23 02:55:11 x: Sep 23 02:55:47 does that mean all the webos hardware engineers get their jobs back? Sep 23 02:56:05 no Sep 23 02:58:07 maybe they hired Apotheker as a fall guy. If the decision was inevitable to shit can webos products and spin off PSG. CONSPIRACY-GASM **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 23 02:59:56 2011