**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 26 02:59:56 2011 Sep 26 03:02:08 * Hendikins cracks open box containing one Pre3 ATT. Sep 26 03:03:12 screw you Sep 26 03:03:14 :P Sep 26 03:03:36 I'm afraid I'm not available for that. Sep 26 03:03:51 Thankfully Sep 26 03:04:30 I'm just waiting for my veer.. Sep 26 03:05:04 This thing really feels like Pre2 meets Veer. Sep 26 03:07:29 Now to get Impostah on it before I stick a SIM card in there. Sep 26 03:11:41 Hendikins: how big is the root FS? thinking it might be a good idea to tar up the entire thing so has to have a copy of most of the ATT version of the OS before EU doctoring it ... Sep 26 03:12:01 I'm not doctoring it yet. Sep 26 03:12:01 rwatkins: already done Sep 26 03:12:07 I'm just activating it. Sep 26 03:12:24 * rwhitby did a meta-doctor filesystem-level backup of his Sep 26 03:13:30 rwhitby: nice. want to do the same. how did you back it up? Sep 26 03:13:48 no redistributable, but would atleast have my own copy Sep 26 03:15:44 ok i need the input of some js experts Sep 26 03:16:26 i have a handler for onmousedown working well, howerver, if another button is pressed i never a on mouseup event Sep 26 03:16:30 how do I fix this? Sep 26 03:17:22 PuffTheMagic: you mean two fingers down, then lift one up? Sep 26 03:18:10 sure, i have so for this keyboard, i have want to do something like shift+ Sep 26 03:18:26 if i press shift first then any other key it acts like caps lock Sep 26 03:18:44 and i never get a mouse up for the shift key Sep 26 03:19:45 PuffTheMagic: ya thats nonlonger really mouse events, your into the territory of multitouch support. Sep 26 03:20:24 touchstart/move/end and I dont know what level of support there is for that Sep 26 03:22:31 rwatkins: "make DEVICE=pre3 CARRIER=wr memboot backup" in meta-doctor Sep 26 03:26:45 rwhitby: thx. havent used metadoctor yet, so not really that aware of what it does other than patch up public doctors. Sep 26 03:30:00 PuffTheMagic: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17005&p=85551 Sep 26 03:30:52 hey guys. Sep 26 03:31:10 reading in a text file then convert to json. Sep 26 03:31:21 convert it in node or enyo? Sep 26 03:32:01 rwatkins, ya i found the example app Sep 26 03:32:05 thanks Sep 26 03:35:16 thoughts? Sep 26 03:35:28 @rwatkins or @rwhitby? Sep 26 03:35:45 "text file" is pretty vague Sep 26 03:36:33 Well this is nice. I like the Pre3, and it did show up unlocked like the fleabay seller said. Sep 26 03:36:37 rwatkins, this works great Sep 26 03:36:48 enyo.xhr.request({ url: }); then parse responseText I guess. Sep 26 03:36:51 i just created a custom button which has touchstart and touchend events Sep 26 03:38:18 rwatkins: well, its a structured text file ... could be up to 100k+ Sep 26 03:38:27 rwatkins: using node to read it. Sep 26 03:38:53 would it be more processor friendly to convert it to json in the node process or just return the raw file to enyo and process it there? Sep 26 03:40:03 I assume doing it in node puts it in a non-UI process. likely consumes the same CPU cycless but doesnt hang other UI in the same process Sep 26 03:40:22 ok. more or less what I thought... Sep 26 03:40:39 thanks. :) Sep 26 03:41:11 Here is a throwback for you handspring visor fans Sep 26 03:41:22 you're still stuck with shoving 100k across the service a second time I guess, but atleast the string parsing is in a diff process. Sep 26 03:41:40 http://www.ebay.com/itm/300603630103 Sep 26 03:41:51 assuming the JSON parser is native on the enyo side. Sep 26 03:41:52 rwatkins: why a second time? Sep 26 03:42:00 yay webOS swag :D Sep 26 03:42:05 webOS playing cards? WTF. Sep 26 03:42:13 lol where? Sep 26 03:42:18 well you read it all once in node, then you shove the json across from teh service to the app. Sep 26 03:42:19 at work Sep 26 03:42:19 enyo -> node (read file) -> node parse file -> service - json -> enyo.app Sep 26 03:42:34 webos microfiber cloth, and even webos postits Sep 26 03:42:40 * Shadyman accessorizes Sep 26 03:43:33 but i'd be sending the raw text across too, so ... the transfer time cycles are unavoidable? or is json heavier than raw text? Sep 26 03:44:22 the JSON comes across as text, and gets re-parsed, but I assume by a native code JSON parser. Sep 26 03:45:30 but I assume your routine converting a massive string to json is much slower than that. Sep 26 03:46:30 the node way is likely going to make your app more responsive. but hey, code and profile to see. Sep 26 03:46:43 rwatkins, i seriously dont get why this wasnt implemented with multitouch in the first place Sep 26 03:47:56 no touchstart/stop/etc support before 3.x Sep 26 03:48:57 im talking about in 3.x :D Sep 26 03:49:24 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 26 03:49:56 * Hendikins now has what is probably the only 850MHz Pre3 on Telstra. Sep 26 03:51:02 Nah, thebother guy is hanging out at WebOS Roundup. :-) Sep 26 03:51:45 I wonder how many 850MHz units other than mine and Rod's made it to Australia. Sep 26 03:55:28 guessing.... none? Sep 26 03:56:31 That would be about how many I would think... which would make mine the only one on Telstra. Sep 26 05:52:50 does anyone know what file generates the sound of the vkb keypress? Sep 26 06:08:50 Hendikins: lingfish has one coming Sep 26 06:15:06 * Hendikins nods Sep 26 06:15:44 Got a contact in Brisbane who might get my Pre2. Has asked if he should get a Pre3 to use on Telstra, and my reply was "good luck" Sep 26 06:24:07 hi Sep 26 06:29:56 hi riskish Sep 26 07:15:26 bbbbbnn Sep 26 07:15:32 exit Sep 26 07:39:13 SuDoh? I'm surprised it isn't Sudah. :P Sep 26 07:45:08 :/ Sep 26 08:07:03 Hendikins, please...oil just ate and we don't want him to lose his dinner. Sep 26 08:35:11 Hey folks. Sep 26 08:35:14 anyone here? Sep 26 08:35:29 does the AT&T Pre 3's Skype able to make/receive calls? Sep 26 08:37:00 hey EricBlade :)) Sep 26 08:37:11 hi Sep 26 08:37:25 did you happen to have an att pre3? Sep 26 08:40:35 no Sep 26 08:48:11 I did, but I've done the EU impersonation on it. No more ATT firmware. Sep 26 08:48:49 what would you lose doing so? Sep 26 08:49:17 The inability to update or doctor your device. Losing that would be a good thing. Sep 26 08:50:00 Hendikins: you realise now that you and I have done that, they'll release the AT&T Pre 3 doctor :) Sep 26 08:50:18 rwhitby: Of course, but since we've got backups of our tokens... Sep 26 08:50:25 they will? rwhitby ? Sep 26 08:50:26 lol Sep 26 08:50:33 you can reverse it ;o :B Sep 26 08:51:00 they just released the AT&T 3G TouchPad doctor Sep 26 08:51:25 As somebody non-US, what would I *gain* from ATT firmware? Sep 26 08:52:46 they did whoa ;O Sep 26 08:53:08 rwhitby: you have an ATT pre 3 right? does the Skype work to receive and make calls? Sep 26 08:53:28 I did the EU impersonation Sep 26 08:53:34 First thing I did Sep 26 08:53:52 ohh Sep 26 08:53:58 no way I'm running a device for which I don't have the doctor Sep 26 08:54:13 reversible though right Sep 26 08:54:26 If you save your tokens. Sep 26 08:54:31 where are the ebay sellers getting the white touchpads? some have multiple of them Sep 26 08:54:34 also i find it curious they release the 3G touchpad doctor ._.; Sep 26 08:54:43 why that over the pre 3? Sep 26 08:55:09 Jack87: any 3G touchpads? Sep 26 08:56:48 barry ran over his >_>; Sep 26 08:59:08 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-TouchPad-16GB-Wi-Fi-3G-Unlocked-9-7in-Black-/270822493169?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item3f0e474bf1#ht_500wt_1156 <- don't believe that's a 3G one Sep 26 08:59:49 yeahh Sep 26 09:03:04 rwatkins, it says 16gb... just seems too odd Sep 26 09:03:20 seller has ranking of 14 Sep 26 09:03:44 is that good or bad? Sep 26 09:03:55 I thought no 3G TPs were released? Sep 26 09:04:08 just like no AT&T Pre 3's were released Sep 26 09:04:24 yet I have one in my hand right now Sep 26 09:04:26 there were no Pre3 in the US? Sep 26 09:04:30 oh .. lol Sep 26 09:04:32 divStar, there is even a review video from awhile back Sep 26 09:04:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9HFWbqySls Sep 26 09:04:41 so if they exist. they have found their way to the wild im sure Sep 26 09:06:32 rwhitby: On a side note, I might drop in to Adelaide next week. Have days off, haven't been there in yonks, couple of Whirlpool people I want to catch up with. Sep 26 09:07:33 oops wrong video. oh well Sep 26 09:08:40 ooh aussies @_@ <3 Sep 26 09:09:00 australians are hawwt Sep 26 09:09:03 at least the accents ^^ Sep 26 09:09:20 Mine doesn't get picked as AU. Not the one I use on PA anyway. Sep 26 09:09:41 * rwhitby hopes eighthree is female, or else this is awkward ... Sep 26 09:09:53 <- is gay lol. Sep 26 09:10:12 poor rwhitby enjoy the awkwardness Sep 26 09:10:18 sry there haha Sep 26 09:10:37 although i have an aussie friend who is a lady coming to visit me Sep 26 09:10:41 this dec Sep 26 09:10:47 eighthree, is she hot? Sep 26 09:10:58 Jack87: she is :B Sep 26 09:11:07 flew to australia to visit her actually Sep 26 09:11:13 hehe awesome.. Sep 26 09:11:18 we went around nsw/qld partying Sep 26 09:11:23 eighthree: nothing to apologise about, maet. Sep 26 09:11:28 s/maet/mate/ Sep 26 09:12:00 hehe i went to utah state fare and saw aussie animals! it was pretty awesome Sep 26 09:12:12 had to go to a zoo to see a kangaroo lol Sep 26 09:12:32 bought my hag a kangaroo scrotum xD Sep 26 09:12:40 she loves it Sep 26 09:13:39 eighthree: Oddly enough, when I'm at work I've got a gaydar.com.au lanyard around my neck, just to make people wonder. Sep 26 09:13:51 rofl. Sep 26 09:13:52 wuut Sep 26 09:13:53 hahah Sep 26 09:13:57 (And they do. It gets queried on occasion!) Sep 26 09:14:00 Hendikins: nice one Sep 26 09:14:22 thats terrible! xD Sep 26 09:14:30 Hendikins: so, Pre 3 working nicely? Sep 26 09:14:47 Pre3 is working quite nicely indeed as a UEU. Sep 26 09:15:01 UEU? Sep 26 09:15:10 P220UEU Sep 26 09:15:17 instead of P220UNA Sep 26 09:15:27 eighthree: A lot of train crew enjoy, shall we say, birdwatching. Gets me off the hook since it doesn't interest me much. Sep 26 09:15:45 trains! Sep 26 09:15:50 your trains cost so much there :D Sep 26 09:16:10 eighthree: compared to where? Sep 26 09:16:15 Vancouver, Canada Sep 26 09:16:16 ;B Sep 26 09:16:24 $5 gets me.. everyhweereree Sep 26 09:16:45 What are you talking about? $0 gets me anywhere in NSW by train... Sep 26 09:17:03 well you work @ the trains don't you? Sep 26 09:17:07 "please stand CLEEEAHH" Sep 26 09:19:26 rwhitby: Quite happy indeed. Even SMS from my TouchPad works with it. Sep 26 09:19:43 want 2.2 on my veer ;( Sep 26 09:22:39 I actually forgot 2.2 could do that until I got asked about messaging access when pairing the devices. Sep 26 09:24:01 is 2.2 even ever going to get released on the veer? Sep 26 09:24:06 its been out a while.. Sep 26 09:26:23 * Hendikins disappears in to the City Underground for a bit. Sep 26 09:36:06 My only irrit with the Pre3 at the moment is Maps. Our Google Maps client might suck, but at least it isn't Bing. Sep 26 09:37:22 Hendikins, bing is pretty nice (on the touchpad) Sep 26 09:37:26 my maps icon vanished for some reason. Sep 26 09:38:12 Jack87: I use additional layers like Latitude. Sep 26 09:39:58 which one's your google maps client Hendikins Sep 26 09:40:19 Hendikins, ah Sep 26 09:40:37 eighthree: I refer to the webOS one with that remark (Pre2, Veer, etc.) Sep 26 09:41:11 I don't use Maps enough on my TouchPad to really care, but I do on my phone. Sep 26 09:41:32 Hendikins, grab the one from pre2 doctor see if that works out for you? Sep 26 09:43:11 Jack87: I'll investigate the issue. At this point all I see are things that aren't suitable for an above board channel. Sep 26 10:14:30 splash top for mac is out Sep 26 10:14:35 err touchpad Sep 26 10:15:17 really Sep 26 10:15:29 using it right now Sep 26 10:15:35 sooo smooothhheeee Sep 26 10:15:43 I'm watching netflix through it :D!!!! Sep 26 10:15:48 nice! Sep 26 10:16:00 now i can actually do some work on this thing Sep 26 10:18:36 $10 not bad Sep 26 10:20:01 Yeah! pretty awesome! Sep 26 10:22:31 i wonder how my 27" screen would scale down to the TP lol Sep 26 10:25:42 it actually pseudo resizes your resolution so it fits perfectly. Sep 26 10:25:45 I'm impressed! Sep 26 10:26:02 yay netflix <3 Sep 26 10:32:40 tested it with an HD 1080p video via vlc.. works awesomely! Sep 26 10:33:09 hmm i wonder if that would work better than my current samba share Sep 26 10:33:20 720p mvk's get choppy sometimes since kalemsoft doesn't buffer them Sep 26 10:35:54 oh that's why the name splashtop sounds so familiar, its installed on my ASUS laptop as the alternate "instant-on" OS Sep 26 10:43:01 ugh it resized my actual desktop screen Sep 26 10:46:02 LOL Sep 26 10:46:33 glad i tested the free windows app before spending the $10 Sep 26 10:46:47 thats not going to work if its changing my desktop resolution every time Sep 26 10:47:05 i guess i could have it not change and scroll the view Sep 26 10:48:02 Well.. did you want it to not resize it then? Sep 26 10:48:23 it makes sense I'mo. but i guess you want to fit more stuff in the screen or somethign? Sep 26 10:48:31 you'd just end up scrolling around Sep 26 10:49:31 it screws all my window sizes and positions up Sep 26 10:50:16 heheh Sep 26 10:51:36 running the touchpad emulator loll.. Sep 26 10:54:51 touchception Sep 26 10:55:37 XD Sep 26 11:18:22 was just playing tf2 on my touchpad rofl. Sep 26 11:18:32 there are keystroke delays / mouse Sep 26 11:18:45 but the video is only .5 seconds slower than it should be Sep 26 11:18:49 pretty awesome.. Sep 26 11:18:59 was expecting it to not even load/be super laggy Sep 26 11:30:26 TF2 on TouchPad? Sep 26 11:35:29 lol splashtop Sep 26 11:35:36 smooth video playback Sep 26 11:35:43 but latency…. lol Sep 26 11:35:56 plants vs zombiies is playable tho Sep 26 12:33:01 good morning Sep 26 15:35:12 Oh the humanity!!! Sep 26 15:36:00 oh the huge manatee Sep 26 15:36:48 ugg Sep 26 15:36:59 cut mah finger yesterday.... not fun Sep 26 15:37:44 stupid sharp sharpeners Sep 26 15:41:26 man Sep 26 15:41:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9neHIzHipA Sep 26 15:41:31 this guy needs to delete this video Sep 26 15:41:38 unless he wants to look like a idiot Sep 26 15:43:58 is he suggesting that the little whole there a slot would go is a sim slot? Sep 26 15:44:05 s/whole/hole/ Sep 26 15:44:12 he is suggesting he has a 4g touchpad Sep 26 15:44:33 because there's a cutout for a sim card slot? Sep 26 15:44:39 theres no cut out Sep 26 15:44:52 its just where the serial/mac # are on the wifi models Sep 26 15:44:55 mine has a cutout Sep 26 15:45:11 on the 4g model it has the same, but slightly different as it can hold a sim card Sep 26 15:45:16 oh Sep 26 15:45:18 the wifi cant hold a simcard Sep 26 15:45:38 no, but there's a plastic cutout Sep 26 15:45:45 just a resess Sep 26 15:45:55 er recess Sep 26 15:46:00 reeses?!? mmmm chocolate Sep 26 15:46:01 oh, I totally didn't know it was spring loaded Sep 26 15:46:18 lol Sep 26 15:46:38 no, seriously, I thought it was a cutout that was sealed off on the wifi models Sep 26 15:46:42 nope Sep 26 15:46:49 sadly Sep 26 15:46:57 * halfhalo doesn't like it Sep 26 15:47:17 I should specify, cutout that was sealed off, and didn't have the hardware Sep 26 15:47:46 er not even a recess Sep 26 15:47:50 I also keep mine in it's case the whole time, so I've never really spent any time actually figuring it out Sep 26 15:47:58 yeah, mine's recessed a bit Sep 26 15:48:00 heh Sep 26 15:48:08 better having the serial#/mac# in there Sep 26 15:48:14 than on the back making it ugly Sep 26 15:48:18 indeed Sep 26 15:48:25 i keep two in cases but one isn't... and the one that isn't has a cracked speaker frigger :/ Sep 26 15:48:39 why do you have 3 TPs? Sep 26 15:50:38 because? Sep 26 15:50:43 thats how I roll? Sep 26 15:51:11 halfhalo: w00t Sep 26 15:51:33 the more the merrier, where's the beowulf cluster of touchpads? Sep 26 15:52:04 that's just... excessive? Sep 26 15:52:38 excessive is a different touchpad per day. Sep 26 15:53:01 you're almost there Sep 26 15:53:14 unless you mean 1-use TouchPads Sep 26 15:53:17 in which case, I agree Sep 26 15:55:02 two TPs is useful - one running production OS hooked to prod catalog/profile, and one running EA OS hooked up to dev catalog/profile Sep 26 15:55:18 so three is ... just one more. Sep 26 15:56:41 11 is one MORE than 10 Sep 26 15:57:01 hi halfhalo Sep 26 15:59:05 sweeet Sep 26 15:59:38 since im to cheap to buy my own minecraft acct, traded a halo:reach XBL code (download to hdd) for one Sep 26 15:59:52 which i got for free Sep 26 16:01:15 just submitted my first touchpad app Sep 26 16:01:18 woohoo. Sep 26 16:02:23 so weird Sep 26 16:02:36 my pre2 doesnt play the charging sound on 1 of my touchstones Sep 26 16:02:40 but does on the other 3 Sep 26 16:02:46 it charges, just never plays the sound Sep 26 16:15:47 Does the TP recognize which Touchstone its in and remember the Exhibition app to select? Sep 26 16:16:16 dont think so Sep 26 16:16:58 hm. there was supposed to be something there idenitifying a unique touchstone to the device. anyone looked into that? Sep 26 16:16:58 Yes Sep 26 16:16:59 it does Sep 26 16:17:08 it is software based Sep 26 16:17:13 rwatkins: ^ Sep 26 16:17:21 i have like 3 touchstones, each one Sep 26 16:17:32 would invoke a different exhib. app Sep 26 16:17:32 :B Sep 26 16:17:46 ya, I see it picked Glimpse at work - but I swear it was Photos at home. Sep 26 16:17:49 nice. Sep 26 16:34:46 its a feature in one of the videos i tried ;B Sep 26 16:35:59 I need to get at least one touchpad TS Sep 26 16:36:22 they are pretty sweet well worth it Sep 26 16:37:42 I also _love_ my TP bt keyboard Sep 26 16:37:58 hola! Sep 26 16:38:11 hi ajay_ Sep 26 16:38:40 eighthree_: hey eight, how neat we're both _ :) Sep 26 16:38:53 ya, my TP is pretty much a consumption only device for the most part still. have the keyboard, but when I go to type I usually move back to a laptop/desktop Sep 26 16:39:08 rwatkins: word Sep 26 16:39:08 ajay_: ikr ? :) Sep 26 16:39:34 oh jeepers took me a second to figure out what that meant, and when i did i was all "gaah my brain!" Sep 26 16:39:56 what Sep 26 16:39:58 which Sep 26 16:40:03 I have just met a couple of females that incessantly say the longform of ikr Sep 26 16:40:12 oh haha Sep 26 16:40:13 IKR?? Sep 26 16:40:14 XD Sep 26 16:40:20 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Sep 26 16:40:25 my brain .. :( Sep 26 16:41:01 woohoo app catalog bug still exists, app has been rejected! right on! Sep 26 16:41:53 (not) Sep 26 16:42:56 what what? Sep 26 16:43:04 rwatkins: I'm hoping to use my TP+bt keyboard as my only mobile device Sep 26 16:43:11 idk my bff jill? Sep 26 16:48:21 i saw the sign.. Sep 26 16:57:56 is there a presentation solution available on the TP? Sep 26 16:58:41 because I forgot about that :-/ Sep 26 16:59:53 there Sep 26 17:00:01 got me a minecraft acct for free Sep 26 17:00:04 and enabled timeline on facebook Sep 26 17:01:52 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 26 17:02:23 so now everyone knows exactly when you got minecraft? Sep 26 17:17:33 where's that nuttybunny/others? hrmm, trying to figure out the best way to backup my device (not USB contents) Sep 26 17:17:58 Backup/Restore from webos internals Sep 26 17:21:16 time today to dig into how to use metadoctor - wanna back up my device while is virgin Sep 26 17:21:29 Interesting - backups scheduled for 4:30 am on my Pre 2 often happen between 8:30 and 8:45. Sep 26 17:22:13 They're non-wakeup activities, so it looks like my Pre is really asleep all night. Sep 26 17:23:07 The need to automate backups was brought home to me when I realized it had been almost four weeks since I copied the backup file from my Pre to my desktop computer. Sep 26 17:59:30 Is their any way to add scrolling to a div element in webOS other than listening for drag events Sep 26 17:59:38 overflow:auto does not work Sep 26 18:00:31 Wo... Anyone else having trouble getting into their account Sep 26 18:00:41 developer.palm.com Sep 26 18:00:50 Wow I haven't been on here in a while Sep 26 18:00:58 worked fine a few hours ago Sep 26 18:07:41 yep working fine now Sep 26 18:12:12 CTLAdvance: working Sep 26 18:12:36 well.. working as well as it works. Sep 26 18:12:37 yeah, its working now for me, but the download counts are still not correct Sep 26 18:12:40 yeah.. Sep 26 18:13:32 i'm not really sure what's what. but i'm sure they know there is a problem by now Sep 26 18:20:08 Trying to call Dell to get them to re-ship my Truss cases that they sent to the wrong address. Customer service says 'call to make a new order'. I call the number, get the operator, and he says "Are you sure you called the right number? This is Dell, not HP" Sep 26 18:20:16 implied facepalm. Sep 26 18:21:58 dell makes a case for the touchpad Sep 26 18:26:46 No, this was the Targus Truss case they had on for $12.99 Sep 26 18:27:04 And their response is "That's a deactivated SKU, we can't place a new order for it". Derp. Sep 26 18:27:38 Something gives me the idea that they *don't* want to sell it to me, and shipped it to the wrong address on purpose Sep 26 18:28:18 your problem was calling that number Sep 26 18:28:25 ^^^ Sep 26 18:28:37 "call to make a new order" --- it's not a new order. it's an existing order. Sep 26 18:28:47 the existing order has been refunded. Sep 26 18:28:57 They did that ASAP after I sent my inquiry into WTF was going on Sep 26 18:29:14 they refunded without your knowledge? Sep 26 18:29:17 Yeah. Sep 26 18:29:22 sounds like a level 2 problem Sep 26 18:29:24 Nevermind the interest I paid on it. Sep 26 18:29:48 whargarbl. Sep 26 18:30:36 I have a feeling I should just leave well enough alone and buy it from Staples. Sep 26 18:30:55 how much is it from staples? Sep 26 18:31:00 $25 Sep 26 18:31:06 staples canada, that is Sep 26 18:31:09 yikes Sep 26 18:31:14 vs $12.99 free shipping from Dell Sep 26 18:31:23 i'd call Sep 26 18:31:25 vs the original $59 Sep 26 18:31:33 that's a bigg difference.. Sep 26 18:31:37 yeah Sep 26 18:38:53 Anyone have some spare OnSale order numbers that got cancelled? XD Sep 26 18:41:01 No, but I do have a Dell one. Sep 26 18:43:41 hmm. my system sound volume sucks today for some reason Sep 26 18:43:45 i can barely hear the swooshing around Sep 26 18:44:18 Environmental noise? Sep 26 18:44:32 From playing with her Touchpad so far today… Whoa. The sound design really took a dive. :c Sep 26 18:44:34 nope. music plays fine, swooshing and virtual keyboard clicks are barely audible Sep 26 18:48:38 EricBlade: re: themeing - just have your code add classes to the application body tag. Sep 26 18:48:52 then have your css vary based a theme class added to your body tag Sep 26 18:50:03 thats what I do with Paper Mache - when tye switch to 'dark' mode, I add "pm-theme-dark" to the body tag and the CSS rules apply diff colors based on that. Sep 26 18:52:30 woot, its early access time again kids Sep 26 18:54:44 Huh. Staples Canada's ebay account is selling the Truss for $20. Hmm. Sep 26 18:55:57 Anyways, back on topic, @webOSdev just tweeted that there's new stuff in early access. Sep 26 19:00:26 Woot! It includes [message redacted]! Sep 26 19:00:55 ya. and my [redacted] in the notes too. Sep 26 19:01:31 does it include the suggested protocol for redacting too? Sep 26 19:01:47 #webos auto-redaction Sep 26 19:01:48 Sorry, I'm unable to confirm or deny that. :-) Sep 26 19:02:15 DougReeder: nope Sep 26 19:02:20 I do like [REDACTED] in the [REDACTED] which is all [REDACTED] with the turkey. Sep 26 19:03:18 is it raining touch pads yet? :Q Sep 26 19:03:36 Not outside my window. Sep 26 19:04:48 rwatkins: i'm trying to figure out how to use metadoctor to backup my device too :) any progress? Sep 26 19:04:48 http://jalopnik.com/5843893/watch-a-full+size-ford-explorer-built-out-of-380000-legos Sep 26 19:05:19 webOSQuire: I wasn't aware you spent any time in here Sep 26 19:05:28 ajay_: no, havnet looked into it yet. Sep 26 19:05:47 rwhitby: said ""make DEVICE=pre3 CARRIER=wr memboot backup" in meta-doctor Sep 26 19:06:53 * ajay_ really needs to invest in a sim card Sep 26 19:07:00 so I assume that means go fetch metadoctor from the repo, and then .. device must be on and in developer mode? Sep 26 19:07:17 rwatkins: hm,i'm wondering if it needs to be in recovery mode actually.. Sep 26 19:07:34 ajay_: I really need to spend time figuring out if I could use T-mobile reliably here Sep 26 19:07:40 ya, havnet put in my sim and activated yet. Sep 26 19:08:36 summan: huh.. from talking to an ATT User using a Eu Pre3, i think using gsm phones on this country from another carrier is non-preferable Sep 26 19:09:27 * ajay_ dreams of a doctor :( Sep 26 19:09:29 European Pre3s have the wrong low-end frequency (850MHz/900MHz), but the other frequencies are the same, IIRC. Sep 26 19:09:36 well, I want to use a veer Sep 26 19:09:40 can't afford a pre3 Sep 26 19:09:42 DougReeder: He said it causes a lot of dropped calls, and going on EDGE Sep 26 19:09:56 Sound very plausible. Sep 26 19:09:57 summan: what's the difference? Sep 26 19:10:11 ajay_: AT&T designed device, primarily Sep 26 19:10:13 oops keep misspelling your name :) Sep 26 19:10:17 but I'm not sure tehre is one Sep 26 19:10:32 summatusmentis: I mean, diff btwn using a pre3 or veer in terms of modem issues Sep 26 19:10:42 lol Sep 26 19:10:42 I'm not sure there is one Sep 26 19:11:01 rwatkins: like.. document.body.class += "myclass" ? Sep 26 19:11:07 but I can't really afford AT&T service either Sep 26 19:11:15 when i went to work today, we had a spontanous meeting of the engineers. Sep 26 19:11:24 our CTO said: "i leave now" Sep 26 19:11:38 EricBlade: yes essentially. but make sure to remove it too Sep 26 19:11:38 then he was gone, 1 hour later Sep 26 19:11:40 so yeah, if i was being asked for advice, i wouldn't rec a webOS device on T-mobile full-time.. (I'll grab a t-mo sim to use a pre3 as a dev device tho) Sep 26 19:11:43 Oo Sep 26 19:12:08 ajay_: I'll bear that in mind. I might try a pre-paid sim, and see how usable it is fulltime Sep 26 19:12:09 so .. does meta doctor have any dependencies other than java? Sep 26 19:12:12 i swear i followed all the preware steps and still get the beta announcement, bleh Sep 26 19:12:15 Ugh, annoying-Seems the profile login server is having issues again Sep 26 19:12:23 like does it need another doctor for novacom drivers or something? Sep 26 19:12:43 summatusmentis: but i've never used a gsm device, just going from what i hear, there are definitely a lot of people using pre devices on tmo Sep 26 19:12:55 dwc- does Sep 26 19:13:03 I've always been on sprint Sep 26 19:13:08 rwatkins: it doesn't list deps on the metadoctor wiki page? it really should.. Sep 26 19:13:37 SineOt: my mother had problems to create a profile on her new veer today too Sep 26 19:13:43 I hope using CARRIER=wr on a Vz dev doesn't screw things up.. Sep 26 19:13:49 Keep in mind that activating a device uses a lot of data -- you can go through a pre-paid SIM pretty fast. Sep 26 19:14:02 shouldnt, should be a RO action Sep 26 19:14:11 DougReeder: noted Sep 26 19:14:15 leiru: yeah, trying to login and it just keeps failing :< Sep 26 19:14:27 SineOt: after "hold on/off" and turn mute-switch three times back and forward she were able to reboot and then creation of the profile worked Sep 26 19:15:02 she just got a message "profile creation failed" and then the device didn't react any further Sep 26 19:15:11 just had a cloudy background Sep 26 19:15:13 ajay_: yea, I guess it indicates you should get the webOS doctor. but I'm not installing that image, I'm just looking to backup my existing FS before screwing with the device. Sep 26 19:15:50 rwatkins: EXACTLY! Sep 26 19:15:51 ajay_: you doing this with the EU Pre3 doctor to backup a Vz Pre3? Sep 26 19:17:42 * ajay_ laughs, alpha-beta feeds! :) Sep 26 19:17:57 rwatkins: is the doctor really necessary to do a backup?? hrmm.. Sep 26 19:18:46 ajay_: ya, thats kinda my question. dont typo and put the EU GSM image on your US CDMA one. :) Sep 26 19:19:42 has anyone seen my webOS doctor? here little doctor, come here {boy|girl} Sep 26 19:20:08 rwatkins: lives would end with such actions Sep 26 19:20:14 so if its booting into recovery mode - I can do that even before activation then? Sep 26 19:20:39 rwatkins: ya, not sure if that's the way yet, and if there's a memboot in the doctor line it sounds like it might take care of that for you Sep 26 19:21:05 ah, ok. ya literally never used metadoctor Sep 26 19:21:13 found it :) Sep 26 19:21:27 rwatkins: I've never used these options before, fwiw. Sep 26 19:21:44 leiru: yeah, boo. this just stalls with a "BAC001" error Sep 26 19:22:57 Blood Alcohol Content? You shouldn't get your Touchpad drunk. Sep 26 19:23:04 which, I might add, returns zero hits on the site it tells you to visit for support ;P Sep 26 19:23:12 SineOt: I'm with shady on this one Sep 26 19:24:14 i mean, for adults it's 0.08% BAC, a touchpad weighs, what, 1/100 the average person? 0.01 sounds excessive Sep 26 19:24:25 ahaha Sep 26 19:24:49 lunch Sep 26 19:25:04 rwatkins-afk: very inconvenient time to change nicks btw! Sep 26 19:25:05 :) Sep 26 19:26:46 bye mr. universe! ;^) Sep 26 19:28:20 http://www.haha-lolz.com/images/1316614327-88766.jpg Sep 26 19:28:22 hahah Sep 26 19:29:43 http://www.haha-lolz.com/images/1316612286-7900.jpg Sep 26 19:32:06 rwatkins-afk: hmm, yeah maybe that's a yes on dev mode Sep 26 19:32:13 ok gtg Sep 26 19:41:50 http://lg.openchaos.org/map [around the world in virtual shells] Sep 26 19:46:29 ok, my app works in the Pre3 emu, and it got approved in the pre3 catalog, but people with Pre3 devices are getting completely different results. any suggestions for how I can go about diagnosing the problem from remote? Sep 26 19:48:04 EricBlade: did you try on pre / pre2 with enyo installed? Sep 26 19:50:08 i only have a touchpad for hardware Sep 26 19:54:00 EricBlade can you send them the version of your app with the automated tests enabled? Sep 26 19:54:50 EricBlade: you can get a new veer on ebay for ~$80 Sep 26 19:55:05 install enyo on it and it should be great for on-hardware testing Sep 26 19:55:25 (with the obvious caveat of resolution) Sep 26 19:55:50 i'll probably have to do something like that, but at the moment, that's so far out of my budget it's crazy .. :( Sep 26 19:55:59 you've heard of starving artists? i'm a starving software dev :D Sep 26 19:57:14 ouch Sep 26 19:57:30 EricBlade: selling your app, right? Sep 26 20:00:40 yes, but it'll be a month before that comes in, i just discovered last week, that i have a sizeable state tax debt from several years ago .. i discovered it when the state locked my bank account. Sep 26 20:02:08 ouch Sep 26 20:03:35 so .. yea, enyo on the pre3 is not quite the same as on the TP Sep 26 20:03:46 my apps is significantly slower, and it doesnt show in teh emu Sep 26 20:05:20 ok, next question, if i have logging enabled on the app, is there some way that i can get the contents of that log, such as to send it to me via email or something? Sep 26 20:05:52 tell them to turn on developer mode and visit ares.palm.com/AresLog - cut/paste Sep 26 20:06:39 unless you decide to add a file writer service for your app and write yout log yourself to /media/intenral Sep 26 20:07:30 haay Sep 26 20:07:39 hi Sep 26 20:09:38 hi wrea :p what's up Sep 26 20:10:08 not much Sep 26 20:11:23 hmm. can Ares set the system-log-level ? Sep 26 20:12:32 eighthree, tried compiling kismet again and now its all f'd up Sep 26 20:12:49 no, I dont think so. had one user that had turned off most logging but knew how to turn it back on. Sep 26 20:12:53 no. but I reckon you can change that in the settings json Sep 26 20:13:01 wrea: wwhaat noooo Sep 26 20:13:11 where's Ur phone now wrea Sep 26 20:13:25 eighthree, I wish I knew, I think in Pharr Sep 26 20:13:44 eighthree, kismet isnt finding any of the libraries it needs Sep 26 20:16:30 phar? Sep 26 20:16:37 I wish hp would update the Veer to 2.2 .... Sep 26 20:16:58 Yeah, Pharr, Texas Sep 26 20:17:18 It was the wrong location, but apparently its being fixed there anyway Sep 26 20:17:19 eighthree: ya, good luck with that. Sep 26 20:17:43 wrea: oh :o interesting name Sep 26 20:18:05 rwatkins: its ridic. :( this whole situation Sep 26 20:19:14 no more hardware. and ATT is certainly not going to want to deail with approval of an OS update to a "dead" platform. Sep 26 20:19:36 but theyre still selling the hardware Sep 26 20:19:40 Why would AT&t care about updates? Sep 26 20:19:42 be happy the TouchPad was wifi only, otherwise we'd likely be SOL on updates for all hardware right now. Sep 26 20:19:44 How can I setup my account for app submission without having to deal with submitting a "company name"? Sep 26 20:19:52 for the Catalog Sep 26 20:19:59 Abyssul: Use your own name as a Company name Sep 26 20:20:05 Im an individual, not a company Sep 26 20:20:12 Shadyman: carriers care what devices on their network run. they generally have to approve it all. every time. Sep 26 20:20:13 What about for Company Information though? Sep 26 20:20:27 True, but at least here in Canada, you can operate as yourself Sep 26 20:20:35 as far as business is concerned Sep 26 20:20:44 it's operating under another name that you need a license for Sep 26 20:21:11 that's the same in the us Sep 26 20:21:12 I registered a business name as DBA however Sep 26 20:21:24 shady: how was that form application btw... Sep 26 20:21:35 eighthree: Which one? Sep 26 20:21:41 that's like the only thing I need.. is to fill out that us form Sep 26 20:22:30 for tax thing, can't remember what it was Sep 26 20:22:35 ah Sep 26 20:22:54 tax id? They're probably asking about your SSN# for reporting income Sep 26 20:23:08 not sure Sep 26 20:26:05 Worked for me Sep 26 20:26:09 just put my name and BS other things Sep 26 20:26:17 well put my SSN too Sep 26 20:29:53 rwatkins: success! btw.. Sep 26 20:30:00 ka6sox you around/ Sep 26 20:30:14 ajay, yes, but completely swamped Sep 26 20:30:17 ajay: yea?! Sep 26 20:30:57 so .. start recovery mode, meta doctor w/ the EU doctor to backup? Sep 26 20:31:35 rwatkins: it starts recovery mode for you, but you might need to have it in dev mode. I didn't, so i just put it in recovery myself, and commented out the line that puts it in recovery mode in metadoctor's makefile Sep 26 20:31:53 sweet Sep 26 20:31:54 ajay / DougReeder the 3G frequencies have nothing to do with dropped calls Sep 26 20:32:26 HSPA is data-only Sep 26 20:32:28 dwc-: the 850 doesn't? if so, then sucks for my friend.. Sep 26 20:32:29 and what does it actually generate as the backup? copy of the file system, some type of device image or .. ? Sep 26 20:32:38 and that works fine on the quad-band GSM Sep 26 20:32:41 rwatkins: a bunch of tarballs of the fS Sep 26 20:32:44 * DougReeder shrugs Sep 26 20:33:01 * ajay ditto shrugs Sep 26 20:33:04 woot. ok, time to go gather the bits and give it a whirl Sep 26 20:33:06 thx! Sep 26 20:33:26 while i wait for a big ass SDK download on my slow ass work network connection Sep 26 20:33:38 you will get EDGE though, unless you're in an ATT/Rogers area with 1900MHz service Sep 26 20:33:46 I haven't really looked into the matter. Sep 26 20:33:46 there's a sticky thread on precentral on the topic Sep 26 20:33:50 damn there's like no way to turn off this phone from recovery mode.. gah (starts to reach for the battery to pull) Sep 26 20:34:00 he said he drops down to edge frequently Sep 26 20:34:04 dwc-: oh nice Sep 26 20:34:21 yep. I would expect lots of EDGE Sep 26 20:34:27 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/293122-eu-pre-3-usa-ts-1900mhz-3g-network-post-results-here.html Sep 26 20:34:41 shadyman: IRS related.. Sep 26 20:34:46 there's like, no halt/shutdown/reboot cmd, hrmm.. Sep 26 20:35:11 tellbootie reboot Sep 26 20:35:50 dwc-: aww, youz a gangsta :) Sep 26 20:36:01 it's got a halt cmd, perfect! Sep 26 20:36:08 err, shutdown i forgot to try halt Sep 26 20:36:13 Halt! Hammertime! Sep 26 20:36:32 * ajay says damnit, i don't want to put on hammer pants right now! gah.. Sep 26 20:38:06 yay parachute pants Sep 26 20:39:49 anybody interested in disabling quote-on-reply on webOS2? Sep 26 20:40:00 cuz i just posted a patch on precentral for that!! Sep 26 20:40:18 'port install gnutar' -> "ah, i see you need perl too! let me go compile a ton of extra crap for you" Sep 26 20:40:20 woooo mexican food! Sep 26 20:40:32 you need perl for tar? eek Sep 26 20:41:11 port is nice and all but the dependency requirements sometimes. crazy. Sep 26 20:41:11 doctoring an att pre 3 to UK won't re-lock the device, will it? Sep 26 20:41:35 eighthree: i don't know if there's anyway to relock? Sep 26 20:43:05 once a device is unlocked.. is it forever in this state? what would cause a particular unlocked device to be locked? Sep 26 20:44:16 * ajay says $40 for an unlock code is highway robbery.. ROBBERY I say! Sep 26 20:44:33 in trying to unlock phones is the only time i wish i was an att customer (ironic? yeaaa..) Sep 26 20:45:12 TXTNG & DRIVING --- IT CAN WAIT. Sep 26 20:46:59 ncurses ... gperf ... help2man ... goes on and on .. Sep 26 20:48:25 ajay lol Sep 26 20:48:34 dependencies ftw Sep 26 20:48:52 * eighthree gives ajay an unlock code Sep 26 20:49:01 wrea: Did I already tell you? I shipped my phone back in that TP box :) Sep 26 20:49:12 Yeah Sep 26 20:49:13 eighthree: i'd be so excited! Sep 26 20:49:14 Good luck Sep 26 20:49:16 lol Sep 26 20:49:16 haha Sep 26 20:49:42 what'd you ship? Sep 26 20:49:58 eighthree: pre+ Sep 26 20:50:19 in your touchpad box? porn que?! Sep 26 20:50:19 to hp's touchpad repair division :) Sep 26 20:50:23 por* Sep 26 20:50:29 por que*zzz Sep 26 20:50:49 eighthree: cuz that's all they sent me.. after shipping it they called and said "don't use that box" you receive in the mail.. but i thought, hey, free shipping? That's a good deal. i'll take it Sep 26 20:50:51 oh.. to fix the pre+ as well?? Sep 26 20:50:55 cuz you know, "shipping kills it" Sep 26 20:50:55 ajay, if you sent it to El Paso, its probably the correct place Sep 26 20:51:20 wrea: oh? hrmm.. i forget the city name.. that Pharr addy i gave you wasn't right? Sep 26 20:51:23 ah :( .. lol yeah right Xd Sep 26 20:51:41 ajay, that Pharr address is the one I sent mine to. Sep 26 20:51:52 :( ? to clarify, they shipped the box to me, and the same day told me not to use it. Sep 26 20:52:01 (before i received it) Sep 26 20:52:08 Its the worng place, but apparently they're repairing mine there anyway Sep 26 20:52:22 wrea: hrmm.. I wrote that address below the other addy, we'll see.. Sep 26 20:52:31 * ajay prays for no more dead pixels Sep 26 20:52:47 ajay, my SRO hasnt been updated at all either Sep 26 20:52:47 strange that my unused/dev phone gets dead pixels but not my real ones.. Sep 26 20:52:55 wrea: hrmm.. Sep 26 20:53:39 i had a Veer that had a whopping 6 dead pixels.. Sep 26 20:53:46 eighthree: damn Sep 26 20:53:46 that's unusually freakin high Sep 26 20:53:59 eighthree, Mine had more :P What do I win? Sep 26 20:54:04 i'd have a hard time seeing a single pixel that size Sep 26 20:54:12 sent it to the return furnace Sep 26 20:54:16 wrea, yes a wet nilly Sep 26 20:54:58 rwatkins: are you saying they're multiple pixels clustered? if not, i'd say that you'd be surprised :) Sep 26 20:55:20 rwatkins: are you unix-comfortable? if you have free time and start building a doctor, i'd be real curious :) Sep 26 20:55:54 is there no way to port skype to veer?? :( Sep 26 20:55:54 I've seen failed attempts.. Sep 26 20:55:55 * ajay wants to say prayers to the qvc gods for a tp.. silly? maybe Sep 26 20:55:57 i have no veer. but those pixels are damn small .. a single one off on its own. Sep 26 20:56:01 ajay, have you checked the status of your SRO yet? Sep 26 20:56:08 i am very unix comfortable. but also lack alot of spare time. Sep 26 20:56:10 i heard skype doesn't work on the pre3? Sep 26 20:56:18 if so, there's NO point to a front camera!! Sep 26 20:56:23 wrea: nah Sep 26 20:56:23 was that your only tp you had to send? Sep 26 20:56:26 ajay - it works Sep 26 20:56:29 rwatkins: ah Sep 26 20:56:37 eighthree: wifi or 3g or both? Sep 26 20:56:53 doing this so I can poke at enyou and see if I can make my app run decently. Sep 26 20:57:13 or we're just SOL with an outdate webkit Sep 26 20:57:20 outdated Sep 26 20:57:32 eighthree: I'd like to think anything is possible, but i'm still waiting for people to put TTS and text-forwarding to the veer (And latter to others) Sep 26 20:57:44 rwatkins: and i'm also wondering why nobody's porting a current webkit.. Sep 26 20:58:09 my attempts at sms forwarding was a fail, but i don't know enough backend Sep 26 20:58:16 ajay: HP is. But I imagine its pretty non-trivial work to hook into all the non-webkit systems. Sep 26 20:58:41 Well, you cant even compile the current version Sep 26 20:59:16 Everything outside WebKit and WebCore are BSD and they dont even include the modified Makfiles for what they do provide Sep 26 20:59:21 rwatkins: hrmm.. Sep 26 20:59:29 I'm sure there's some serious work with how the code has diverged since too Sep 26 20:59:44 * ajay is so tired of touchpad shopping he's thinking to buy his dad a playbook if/when it comes to TP prices.. Sep 26 21:00:09 The code used is from around rev 54000 - 60000 Sep 26 21:00:23 wrea: what's current? (and can you put dates on those revs? :) Sep 26 21:00:43 wrea: you're talking webOS2 or 3? I heard 3 had a more recent version? not sure.. Sep 26 21:00:55 anyone here play with node services much? Sep 26 21:01:12 Thats for 3.x Sep 26 21:01:29 a new webkit would be nice thogh - I could really use column-break-inside support in CSS. Sep 26 21:01:32 Current is almost to 97000 Sep 26 21:02:26 I've worked with Node. Sep 26 21:02:55 needing stupid basic copy and paste... Sep 26 21:03:08 "stupid basic" Sep 26 21:04:55 does webos support ArrayBuffer? Sep 26 21:04:56 hehehe Sep 26 21:05:50 I presume so, but shipping devices include Node 0.2.3, which is rather old. Sep 26 21:06:13 just had to quickly copy a tracking number.....NOPE. had to manually, frantically swipe back and forth Sep 26 21:06:27 You should write automated tests for all your Node code, so when Node gets updated, you can easily test that nothing breaks. Sep 26 21:07:18 ok going for real this time.. ta! Sep 26 21:07:46 cya ajay Sep 26 21:07:51 * ajay waits for the TTS and NFC OTA updates for his pre2 :) Sep 26 21:08:08 hehehe Sep 26 21:10:42 wb wrea Sep 26 21:10:48 thanks Sep 26 21:12:34 rebooted in case the off chance that it'd fix my problems Sep 26 21:12:39 which it didnt lol Sep 26 21:12:58 bah Sep 26 21:13:12 I need copy and paste Sep 26 21:13:12 its driving me nuts Sep 26 21:13:55 dunno why its doing this Sep 26 21:15:15 doing what Sep 26 21:16:34 when running configure for kismet its not finding any of the libs, even though they're in ${STAGING_DIR_*}/usr/lib Sep 26 21:19:24 If anyone is looking for a new touchpad....http://www.ebay.com/itm/300603894899 Sep 26 21:20:29 hi Sep 26 21:20:37 CTLAdvance: That yours? Sep 26 21:20:47 Yes, brand new, sealed Sep 26 21:20:53 cool. Sep 26 21:25:28 ok now that that is done, time to get back to dev work Sep 26 21:30:20 goodluck with sale ctladvance Sep 26 21:31:44 we will see what happens Sep 26 21:36:09 I had a problem similar to this when I first started working on kismet too, except now I cant remember how it got fixed Sep 26 21:42:13 woot. metadoctor backing up ATT Pre3. Sep 26 21:43:41 * DougReeder waves goodbye Sep 26 22:12:00 if you want to move a profile to a new phone - you just sign in during activcation right? dont need to disable on previous phone? Sep 26 22:17:51 yeah rwatkins - that's what I read Sep 26 22:18:05 however .. be aware that it might send tons of sms to some weird number D: .. Sep 26 22:18:19 it did that for me - from Germany it send 21 SMS to the UK X: Sep 26 22:18:46 odd. conveniently I'm on the ATT unlimited everything plan Sep 26 22:18:56 lucky you D: Sep 26 22:23:43 rwatkins: if already in recovery mode, use memload instead of memboot for meta-doctor Sep 26 22:25:41 rwhitby: developer mode needs to be on for memboot to be called from metadoctor? Sep 26 22:26:10 developer mode is irrelevant when membooting Sep 26 22:26:43 rwatkins: oh, yeah. recovery mode then memload Sep 26 22:26:56 if dev mode is not on, you won't be able to memboot from a running device Sep 26 22:27:01 right. ok Sep 26 22:32:49 ATT HSPA+ so thats a nice addition Sep 26 22:33:24 gotta love the faux-gees Sep 26 22:33:47 indeed Sep 26 22:35:48 I'm and old faux-gee Sep 26 22:35:55 MACBOOK ACQUIRED Sep 26 22:36:02 air or pro Sep 26 22:36:04 well paid for Sep 26 22:36:07 13" air Sep 26 22:36:18 good Sep 26 22:36:32 heh pre3 on ATT for 1 penny? Sep 26 22:36:34 WTH Sep 26 22:37:04 ? Sep 26 22:37:11 on ebay Sep 26 22:37:13 super cheap Sep 26 22:37:18 They will get bid up Sep 26 22:37:19 auction? it won't go for that little Sep 26 22:37:20 but wow Sep 26 22:37:23 nope Sep 26 22:38:08 well thanks for the backup script rwhitby. much appreciated Sep 26 22:38:27 bid 2 pennies Sep 26 22:38:45 6 pennies ... none the richer? Sep 26 22:47:32 My TP is sitting in UPS Roanoke. Sep 26 22:50:35 rwatkins: did it work? Sep 26 22:51:29 rwhitby: i already had it on and in dev mode - so ran memboot Sep 26 22:52:00 but ya, got my stuff backed up Sep 26 22:55:23 and there is definately something wrong with sliding panes or virtual lists in Enyo on 2.2. But atleast I can poke at it now and figure out what. Sep 26 23:14:53 is there a way to know the time a sms was received on a pre3 ? Sep 26 23:19:01 it's one of the patches on the pre/pre2 Sep 26 23:19:08 clean timestamp Sep 26 23:19:37 right, but it seems it not out for pre3 yet and I'd like to know the time on a particular msg Sep 26 23:20:07 you might be able to find the database with the message, but i'm not familiar with the structure of the dbs in 2.x+ Sep 26 23:21:32 HattCzech_work, where is it on 1.x? Sep 26 23:21:51 Famic_: my advanced system behavior patch will add the timestamp to every message as well Sep 26 23:22:31 sconix: thanks, I'll try that Sep 26 23:22:33 in /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db if i remember correctly Sep 26 23:23:13 Famic_: your welcome, if you are after less user friendly solution then just look from the database with impostah Sep 26 23:23:14 sconix: btw I got your email about MS, it's not very clear what I could do to get you the right logs Sep 26 23:24:00 MS has build in problem report which you can use Sep 26 23:24:14 there is a new release out right now that fixes couple small bugs Sep 26 23:24:31 specially modes export/import for Pre3 Sep 26 23:24:50 Any ever have any problems with arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld in WIDK? Sep 26 23:25:02 still trying to get them to behave as well as they did on my pre+ for now :/ Sep 26 23:25:54 good to know there is an export feature though... I wish I'd have been able to migrate my MS settings from pre+ to pre3 Sep 26 23:26:52 jeah I never added a modes conversion from 1.x to 2.x modes since there was just so much that changed Sep 26 23:26:56 so it did not make sense Sep 26 23:29:50 sconix: looks like wifi still isn't kickin in. where is the built in problem report and what could be helpful to do in order to sort that issue ? Sep 26 23:30:40 you have to have something miss configured, but send the report its in app menu-help-app menu- send problem report Sep 26 23:30:45 you need to have lumberjack installed Sep 26 23:30:51 I do Sep 26 23:32:02 ok I found the trigger, but as the problem is something _not_ happening well... Sep 26 23:32:11 I dunno when that can get useful Sep 26 23:32:31 now you lost me Sep 26 23:33:47 I have a mode triggered by "connected to ". It doesn't get triggered properly, only when I activate wifi (i.e. not when I relaunch the app, reboot the phone, or change wifi network) Sep 26 23:34:07 not sure about those specifics, but it would be something like that Sep 26 23:34:20 the "report problem" sends the current configuration Sep 26 23:34:47 it should when you change wifi, but not in the other cases Sep 26 23:35:01 if I understood you correctly Sep 26 23:35:25 previously when coming out of the app it was catching on the fact I was connected to my home wifi network and setting the mode accordingly Sep 26 23:35:41 when I rebooted too Sep 26 23:35:52 you mean with ms 1.x? Sep 26 23:36:01 yes Sep 26 23:36:06 ah well that has changed Sep 26 23:36:09 I was on 1.4.5 on the pre+ Sep 26 23:36:41 if you want MS to see what mode should be active on startup then you need to configure it to load default mode always and set default mode to trigger all modes Sep 26 23:37:18 the default behavior is just to load the last active mode if its triggers are still valid Sep 26 23:38:00 since normally the reboots are short and nothing changes while starting app Sep 26 23:38:07 -app Sep 27 00:18:06 aahhh!!! Sep 27 00:21:11 hey Sep 27 00:22:12 eighthree, do you happen to know your way around sb2/WIDK Sep 27 00:22:20 ? Sep 27 00:33:23 eighthree: didn't you have a pair of cancelled onSale orders? Sep 27 00:39:13 wrea: no Sep 27 00:39:25 sineOt: yes. both ordered Sep 27 00:46:48 eighthree: you were able to order 2 32s? :p Sep 27 00:48:57 anyone try splashtop yet/ Sep 27 00:50:54 splashtop no multimonitor support ;( Sep 27 00:51:44 should I get splashtop? Sep 27 00:52:08 the OSX streamer has been kind of lackluster with their Android client Sep 27 00:52:28 Tibfib_: it works pretty good Sep 27 00:52:29 and by lackluster I mean entirely unusable because it looks so badly compressed :I Sep 27 00:52:38 oil: hmmm Sep 27 00:52:39 im just dissapointed it doesnt show all my monitors Sep 27 00:52:46 programs on the other monitors i can't access Sep 27 01:02:10 gah, getting a little frustrated with bigpond's usage page - every now and then it returns *actual data* but most of the time it returns "0" usage and "-" rollover date - yet when I log in manually... Sep 27 01:02:31 submitted my app this morning. wonder when it will be approved. Sep 27 01:10:37 Anyone have any good thoughts on making a div element that scrolls Sep 27 01:15:02 that scrolls or that acts a scrollpane-container sort of? Sep 27 01:16:03 if you want to have the content of a div scroll, you can use overflow: scroll.. or overflow:auto .. see this: http://www.domedia.org/oveklykken/css-div-scroll.php Sep 27 01:20:46 yeah but it doesnt work in webOS Sep 27 01:20:57 or it seems that it isnt Sep 27 01:21:55 maybe I didnt have that on the right div, hold on Sep 27 01:25:03 ok I have it working now Sep 27 01:25:05 ok, I think I solved the bigpond bug. Sep 27 01:25:08 but Sep 27 01:25:15 the scrolling seems backwards Sep 27 01:26:31 oh, it seems backwards for a touchscreen device, not for a pointer Sep 27 01:32:39 <3 arrays Sep 27 01:32:48 they make coding so much less tedious Sep 27 01:34:22 foos = [] being much better than foo_1, foo_2 and foo_3 i guess. Sep 27 01:34:32 Yeah Sep 27 01:34:40 esp in loops Sep 27 01:34:57 or for avoiding switch()s Sep 27 01:35:07 especially if it would be identical code, just repeated Sep 27 01:35:52 if you dont have either arrays or rich object notiation .. your doing something wrong. Sep 27 01:36:23 ^ Sep 27 01:36:29 less code == better Sep 27 01:36:49 Normally. Sep 27 01:36:55 I'm sure there are exceptions Sep 27 01:37:05 like, say, comments. Sep 27 01:37:10 or tests. Sep 27 01:37:14 yeah Sep 27 01:42:55 oh god I hate tests so much ... Sep 27 01:43:07 but I do know how important they are D: Sep 27 01:56:16 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 27 02:01:52 * CTLAdvance waves back at DougReeder Sep 27 02:01:56 "Testing is for users" Sep 27 02:07:09 Is there a special something that has to be done to be able to scroll text in a multiline textField? I can see my text "wrapping" when I write it but I have no idea how to go back up Sep 27 02:11:01 on a phone you can option drag, but on the tp there isn't a corresponding thing Sep 27 02:11:45 ... except using the cursor keys on a bt keyboards Sep 27 02:14:07 rwhitby what do you mean by that? Sep 27 02:16:09 WTF Sep 27 02:16:12 just saw a commercial for "The new HP Touchpad with WebOS" on MLB.com Sep 27 02:16:22 with russell brand in it Sep 27 02:16:34 DougReeder: thanks but.. shouldn't it be more instinctive on the phone? Should I be able to just swipe my finger to scroll just as usual? Sep 27 02:17:30 That makes sense to me, but evidently not so much to the GBU UI engineers Sep 27 02:18:21 you'd thing the prepaid stuff would have run out by now Sep 27 02:19:09 ... ah, but web advertising might be on a longer timescale Sep 27 02:22:54 has anyone run into the issue of the franken pre2 not activating on sprint Sep 27 02:23:07 even though the com board was 1.4.5 originally Sep 27 02:23:24 or the device was on a pre- with 1.4.5 Sep 27 02:24:53 so, my netquota app now works for bigpond, iiborg, internode and tpg... what next? Sep 27 02:29:45 ok why does having a control with allowHtml set false, still allow html? Sep 27 02:30:06 bug? Sep 27 02:31:02 obv, but .. where i wonder Sep 27 02:31:43 use the source luke! Sep 27 02:32:18 when i had this problem 2 weeks ago, it was the other way around.. i couldn't get a HtmlContent to render html .. lol Sep 27 02:32:30 patch the kind, post to the form. I bet if you include the actual fix, when ben files the bug it actually gets fixed fast then. Sep 27 02:32:41 s/form/forum Sep 27 02:33:04 is this a known thing? Sep 27 02:33:33 really, i'd expect that http://pastebin.com/82DbLKmU shouldn't even begin to have the ability to parse html Sep 27 02:48:53 hey all Sep 27 02:49:54 hi Sep 27 02:52:08 what's up? Sep 27 02:53:05 not much. wondering how I borked WIDK Sep 27 02:53:12 lol Sep 27 02:53:17 * PatrickC uses windows Sep 27 02:53:44 * PatrickC also hopes his pre³ arrives tomorrow Sep 27 02:53:46 for shame Sep 27 02:54:01 halfhalo: what? lol Sep 27 02:54:08 ld isnt finding any of the libraries when I try to compile kismet Sep 27 02:54:25 is it Pre3, Pre 3, Prē3, Prē 3, Pre³, or Prē³? Sep 27 02:54:28 hey WinterMute Sep 27 02:54:33 pre! Sep 27 02:54:36 Xuzz: haha Sep 27 02:54:38 the last xuzz Sep 27 02:54:47 hi patrickC Sep 27 02:55:09 hey eighthree Sep 27 02:55:23 what's up? Sep 27 02:55:28 nm Sep 27 02:55:31 I'm super bummed out :( Sep 27 02:55:43 just getting home now... Sep 27 02:55:51 wishing my Prē³ arrives tomorrow Sep 27 02:55:57 have to take the ferry. train then another bus..... Sep 27 02:55:58 why are you just getting home? lol Sep 27 02:56:03 totally cool Sep 27 02:56:13 lol Sep 27 02:56:13 work.. is so stressful Sep 27 02:56:20 evenmoreso that I quit Sep 27 02:56:27 remind me to never do that :P Sep 27 02:56:31 wait, you quit? why? Sep 27 02:56:38 I'm inching on 1 of 2 in the week notice Sep 27 02:57:01 where did you work? Sep 27 02:57:39 * PatrickC says "c'mon john... dm me back.. plzzzzzzz" Sep 27 02:57:52 a marketing group in north vancouver.. Sep 27 02:58:02 I wish halfhalo still worked at palm so he could help :) Sep 27 02:58:11 lol Sep 27 02:58:33 cause halfhalo is always sooooo helpful Sep 27 02:58:34 :P Sep 27 02:58:42 damn straight Sep 27 02:59:07 i need an att pre 3 Sep 27 02:59:16 * PatrickC has one in the mail Sep 27 02:59:20 * PatrickC ducks from crossbow Sep 27 02:59:30 they're kinda nice Sep 27 02:59:48 rwatkins: speak from experience? Sep 27 02:59:53 indeed. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 27 02:59:57 2011