**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 27 02:59:57 2011 Sep 27 03:00:13 have another pre4 on its way, but not att Sep 27 03:00:33 my att one just arrived today Sep 27 03:00:34 * PatrickC steals package Sep 27 03:00:46 crisp crisp display, but enyo wasnt fully baked. :/ Sep 27 03:00:59 argh.. everyone's is arriving but mine Sep 27 03:01:15 can't we just port webos to a nexus prime or something =p Sep 27 03:01:19 mine hasn't shipped Sep 27 03:01:20 PatrickC: hey!! Sep 27 03:01:26 but thats ok, its shipping from sunnyvale Sep 27 03:01:31 rwatkins: true story Sep 27 03:01:34 so its like half a day shipping Sep 27 03:02:52 Still waiting for my veer Sep 27 03:03:45 do you know if veer went on firesale? Sep 27 03:03:46 wrea: no estimates? what are you using now?? Sep 27 03:03:56 some best buy still have them in stock... Sep 27 03:04:14 my fingers dislike the keyboard on the veer... strains a little when I try to type.. Sep 27 03:04:19 eighthree, a phone no one calls me on :P Sep 27 03:04:53 I wouldnt be so mad about it if they would actually update the SRO/knew stf was going on Sep 27 03:04:58 wtf* Sep 27 03:05:59 wrea: awwwe yeh I remember that detail Sep 27 03:06:18 it still shows as 'waiting for device' Sep 27 03:07:25 eighthree: yes? Sep 27 03:33:13 Ohcrap, what has science done? Too many cards error :x Sep 27 03:33:34 ew. Browser service taking 50% cputime. Sep 27 03:33:55 lol Sep 27 03:43:42 WebAppMgr is at 30% memory. wtf. Sep 27 03:44:33 * Shadyman kills it with fire Sep 27 03:44:43 a good widget for glimpse would me messaging :) Sep 27 03:46:03 and wtf i just soft reset my pre2. Sep 27 03:46:05 Shadyman: UberKernel will fix that TMC problem Sep 27 03:46:15 must be the vibes in the room or something Sep 27 03:46:16 (if you're on a touchpad or pre 3) Sep 27 03:46:20 rwhitby: I had 2 cards open :x Sep 27 03:46:28 i'm going to guess memory leak Sep 27 03:46:38 Shadyman: what device? Sep 27 03:46:42 tp Sep 27 03:47:01 yep, that's the TMC bug. UberKernel fixes it Sep 27 03:47:25 what causes the bug? Sep 27 03:48:03 oh you probably have an app leaking too Sep 27 03:48:22 yeah Sep 27 03:48:24 are there any known issues with code distributed via preware that are ATT OS specific? Sep 27 03:48:55 clearly things are being mostly tested on the EU doctor, that one being the only available, but wonder if there are areas that might be problematic. Sep 27 03:49:04 dunno. Sep 27 03:49:27 does the app catalog accept it? Sep 27 03:49:56 the HP app catalog? or Preware? Sep 27 03:50:02 HP app catalog Sep 27 03:50:18 yea, HP app catalog is fine. Sep 27 03:50:18 one of my testers has an issue with email, it's says something about cache when he tries to open my attachments (sorry, don't have the exact error) Sep 27 03:50:26 do you see a full app catalog on the production server on an AT&T Pre 3 ? Sep 27 03:50:34 restored all my apps Sep 27 03:50:43 well all ones marked 2.2 but ya Sep 27 03:50:44 rwatkins: awesome Sep 27 03:50:53 Freman: EFW Sep 27 03:51:18 efw? Sep 27 03:51:29 Emergency Filecache Wipe Sep 27 03:51:38 i love how palm still has the Mgr suffix from like Palm OS 1 or something Sep 27 03:52:00 thanks rwhitby Sep 27 03:54:36 http://www.tabletsupportforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329 Sep 27 04:01:12 * Shadyman notes that his headphones don't fit properly into the TP's headphone port when using the official TP case. Sep 27 04:02:32 Shadyman: then enter http://www.tabletsupportforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=319 :) Sep 27 04:03:52 eh, nothing a drill won't fix >:D Sep 27 04:03:59 lol Sep 27 04:06:00 anyone want to lay odds on Google sending different data in response to a person's UserAgent == Touchpad vs Pre3 vs Emulator ? Sep 27 04:06:43 data == results? Sep 27 04:07:22 yeah. identical requests from Touchpad and Emulator give me the data I want, identical request from Pre3 gives the person working with me just a login page Sep 27 04:08:13 anyone happen to have the user-agent string from an actual pre3, so i can hack my emulator's libraries Sep 27 04:08:17 try spoofing the headers in Firefox or whatever Sep 27 04:08:36 http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ Sep 27 04:09:35 yea i don't have the actual pre3 to check it with, but a bit surprisingly, it's different from the emulator, i'm sure.. because the emu's ends with Desktop/1.0 Sep 27 04:09:43 and the guy working with me disappeared Sep 27 04:10:31 aha! he sent it. it ends with Pre/3.0. touchpad ends with Touchpad/1.0 Sep 27 04:10:33 just yell "FREE FOOD!". He'll show up again. Sep 27 04:11:06 crap, the emulator claims to be webOS 2.0 Sep 27 04:11:14 heh Sep 27 04:12:31 Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; webOS/2.0; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) webOSSystem/221.54 Safari/534.6 Desktop/1.0 Sep 27 04:12:53 Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; webOS/2.2.0; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) webOSSystem/221.53 Safari/534.6 Pre/3.0 Sep 27 04:13:54 Mozilla/5.0 (hp-tablet; Linux; hpwOS/3.0.2; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) webOSSystem/234.40.1 Safari/534.6 Touchpad/1.0 Sep 27 04:36:29 PatrickC: just fyi, I refuse to spam people with +1s and tweets and wall posts Sep 27 04:36:42 I'm sure there are others Sep 27 04:36:47 but, just fyi, that's why I'm not entering Sep 27 04:36:56 dwc-: those aren't my rules. that's what the admin has set up Sep 27 04:37:01 I don't do that either Sep 27 04:37:12 well, you said you were a mod there Sep 27 04:37:17 so, I thought I'd mention it Sep 27 04:37:30 I'll pass it along, and yes. I am a mod there :) Sep 27 04:41:12 PatrickC, wanna see what i spent the past 2 hours on? Sep 27 04:41:29 YES! Sep 27 04:41:30 :) Sep 27 04:41:32 http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/340/20110927002904.png Sep 27 04:41:32 http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1401/20110927002918.png Sep 27 04:41:32 http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/200/20110927002929.png Sep 27 04:42:29 that doesn't look like ailium :P Sep 27 04:42:36 nope Sep 27 04:43:22 * PatrickC doesn't play minecraft Sep 27 04:44:56 I should be getting the rest of my cables for host mode this week Sep 27 04:45:30 BAH. that is exactly it. When giving the Pre3's UA to google, it will not accept the login Sep 27 04:46:59 EricBlade: for voice? Sep 27 04:47:04 yea Sep 27 04:47:31 EricBlade: it absolutely does serve different data based on user agent Sep 27 04:47:42 EricBlade: often there is a query-string param you can pass to force a useful version Sep 27 04:47:54 ui=... commonly but not always Sep 27 04:48:18 it's not that it's useful, it's that the server is ignoring the data sent along with the request Sep 27 04:48:40 EricBlade: by useful i mean, that actually works :P Sep 27 04:49:06 as soon as I change the identifier to (apparently) anything but Pre/ then it works Sep 27 04:49:34 what i'm telling you is that if you pass ui=something in the query string Sep 27 04:49:40 it might actually work Sep 27 04:49:49 v= is also sometimes used Sep 27 04:50:23 basically there is user-agent detection, but there is usually a way to override it in the qs Sep 27 04:50:38 at least there is for maps and search and mail Sep 27 04:53:00 this seems either absolutely malicious (ie, ignore login data from a Pre) or completely accidental (ie, "Pre" happens to trigger something weird on their end) .. Sep 27 04:54:10 never attribute to malice... Sep 27 04:56:02 .... however, it also seems to work. you may qualify as a freakin genius Sep 27 04:58:14 ui or v? Sep 27 04:58:23 i just passed it ?ui=desktop Sep 27 04:58:35 and it seemed to work even with my UA spoofed to the Pre's Sep 27 04:58:39 yup Sep 27 04:58:42 now, just to try it on an actual Pre Sep 27 04:59:14 i cheated though, i've read (and patched) the maps browser detection code Sep 27 04:59:47 so i figured it followed a similar pattern Sep 27 05:00:32 ugh.. I hate using freehosts... Sep 27 05:00:35 * PatrickC is off to bed Sep 27 05:01:00 i jsut can't imagine why it would throw out the data from the standard login requests page, when coming from a Pre Sep 27 05:01:18 it also boggles my mind that if it does that intentionally, that it can be overridden Sep 27 05:01:19 probably treats it as an unsupported browser Sep 27 05:01:30 that's a poor default :P Sep 27 05:01:47 submit more patches to your pals, drax! =] Sep 27 05:02:20 after the whole HP debacle Sep 27 05:02:28 i generally get push back on touchpad CLs Sep 27 05:04:02 and it took like 2 weeks to get maps on touchpad through, it changed the way something was done on some random page in some regression test, and i had to go through an ordeal to prove it was ok Sep 27 05:04:59 the best part was it took about 5 people to actually figure out what piece of code was changing behavior Sep 27 05:06:41 if that fixes one or both of the other reasons i have two logins in this program, that is mind blowing Sep 27 05:07:49 http://panzercrush.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mind-blown.jpg Sep 27 05:07:50 that is sadly one of the downsides of lots of tests Sep 27 05:08:15 change one small thing and all of a sudden you gotta fix dozens of test cases Sep 27 05:08:44 i work on one project, where every time i make an output producing change Sep 27 05:08:46 i get three diff emails Sep 27 05:09:00 awesome, in the original sense Sep 27 05:13:54 DraX: that does -not- fix the message-marking url, or the retrieve-voicemail url Sep 27 05:14:03 you're still a genius though :) Sep 27 05:14:03 EricBlade: *shrug* Sep 27 05:22:09 when the hell did i write "thisisf*ckingbullsh*t: function() { ... } " Sep 27 05:47:57 OMG, someone just submitted a patch called "More Standby Times HD" Sep 27 05:48:10 HD? for a patch which just adds standby times? HD?? really??? Sep 27 05:50:44 its "in" to use the HD-Flag ;) Sep 27 06:09:12 high def.... does it give second-granularity? Sep 27 06:19:56 would that be high precision or high definition? Sep 27 06:27:14 it's funny they're all called "HD" when the touchpad doesn't reach "HD" specs Sep 27 06:29:03 look at all the phones with "HD" in the titel ;) Sep 27 06:29:11 HTC? i think Sep 27 06:34:56 PatrickC_Away, Sep 27 06:34:57 http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7176/20110927021654.png Sep 27 06:34:57 http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1424/20110927022504.png Sep 27 06:34:59 ;P Sep 27 07:44:36 hiii Sep 27 08:06:51 * Hendikins gets his first taste of LTE hardware. Sep 27 08:27:14 ok, in "complete waste of network bandwidth" and "complete waste of size vs capability" news, i just watched an iMAX movie on my touchpad via Splashtop. Sep 27 08:28:00 on netflix? Sep 27 08:28:54 i don't think netflix streams imax sized :D i have a copy of the Big 4 concert last year taken straight off one of the theater's imax computers Sep 27 08:29:47 imax size on a touchpad? how does that work? Sep 27 08:43:45 riskish2: well, it wasn't really imax sized. i mean, the screen resolution of the movie file is imax sized Sep 27 08:44:03 but the computer was rescaling it to 1024x768 and then splashtop was picking it up Sep 27 08:48:38 cool Sep 27 10:33:34 my boss can't activate his UK pre3. it just says "data not restored" after a minute or so timeout. any ideas? Sep 27 10:36:00 most likely he is also the victim of none working backup server as am I Sep 27 10:38:08 the only option is to create a new profile but even after that the backup wont work, and activating with existing accounts fails because the backup can not be recovered Sep 27 10:39:18 awesome Sep 27 10:39:23 wait, what's the opposite of awesome? Sep 27 10:47:45 sconix, is this something with any planned resolution? i.e. has hp commented on the situation? Sep 27 10:53:16 directhex: we are trying to get them fix this Sep 27 10:53:59 its been almost couple months since I let them know about this and almost month since we let them know that it effects other users as well Sep 27 10:54:15 but there should be fix coming now Sep 27 10:54:28 it seems that some UK users are directed to a faulty backup server Sep 27 10:54:45 or not actually UK users but people owning unlocked europe devices Sep 27 10:55:06 for example everything works just fine for my SFR pre2 but not for any of my unlocked devices (pre2,pre3,veer) Sep 27 10:55:37 worth pinging them ourselves? we're a webos contractor so we probably have some useful names on paper somewhere Sep 27 10:56:34 we have also contacted couple inside people so they should be looking into this, but I don't think that extra pressure would hurt since its been rather long without a fix Sep 27 10:57:33 you can verify that its the same problem if you create new account and after that the backup fails right a way and you can not even sign off from the backup then its the same problem for sure i.e. the backup server returns 401 unauthorized error Sep 27 11:24:41 directhex: contact chuq and tell him it's another case of the problem I alerted him to Sep 27 11:46:27 is the backup data replicated across multiple servers, or is it a case of "account foo is on server bar; server bar is fucked; good luck have fun"? Sep 27 11:47:52 phone talks to single server. no idea about backend. Sep 27 11:48:20 different phones get allocated different servers. Impostah knows which server you are allocated. Sep 27 11:48:41 in fact Impostah is a good test to see if this is the problem. Sep 27 11:48:58 Log into the profile using Impostah and it won't attempt to do the restore. Sep 27 11:49:00 oo, rwhitby - someone said you're responsible for the preware package manager thing. I was wondering if I could pick your brains a bit Sep 27 11:49:24 directhex: then you can attempt the restore using Impostah and show whether that is the failure Sep 27 11:49:34 mainly wondering how feasible it would be to use the optware stuff as an installer for the cross compiler stuff I do Sep 27 11:49:59 WinterMute: can you point me to some background context? Sep 27 11:50:54 rwhitby, so activate device with a new account, use impostah to switch to previous account? Sep 27 11:51:25 directhex: use #*DEVMODE# then Impostah to log in Sep 27 11:51:50 as long as you only care about the apps, and not the rest of the profile backup data, you can do it with the same account Sep 27 11:53:27 rwhitby: heh, not sure I have anything that would make a lot of sense, basically I have a bundle of cross compilers and libraries used to write homebrew games for a bunch of game consoles, gba, ds, wii, gamecube - manual instructions for installing are at http://devkitpro.org/wiki/Getting_Started/devkitARM Sep 27 11:54:07 WinterMute: ok, I understand that. How can we help? Sep 27 11:56:04 I have a windows installer that does most of that but the best we have for linux/OSX atm is a couple of perl scripts - would kind of like to have an installer that's cross platform & capable of adding components without rebuilding the installer (we have a bunch of precompiled libs for psp/powerpc & arm - things like libpng that cross compile easily) Sep 27 11:56:14 rwhitby, will the phone make any attempts to restore that data once activated with impostah? or does it only restore non-app data at initial setup time? Sep 27 11:56:50 this is totally off topic for here though, would you prefer pm? Sep 27 11:56:57 directhex: only at normal login time, not impostah login. you can use Impostah to restore any of your previous backups from the server (it lists them all) Sep 27 11:57:24 okay, thanks. i'll discuss with the boss when he's not in a meeting Sep 27 11:58:13 basically I was wondering about the logistics of using optware as a package manager for this stuff & whether or not it might be feasible to build it to run on windows Sep 27 11:58:47 directhex: next thing I'll probably add to Impostah is making it install all the apps from your profile Sep 27 11:59:12 WinterMute: optware may work in cygwin, but I wouldn't advise it. it really assumes a linux build system. Sep 27 11:59:47 rwhitby, and this is a first attempt to activate a pre3, where the account was previously created on a pre2. impostah will handle the restore cleanly when it was created for the pre2? Sep 27 12:00:01 assuming a restore is even possible for the backup data. we shall see Sep 27 12:00:50 mmm, thought that might be the case, oh well Sep 27 12:00:56 directhex: well, there are no guarantees with an Impostah restore Sep 27 12:00:58 wubi Sep 27 12:01:47 rwhitby, is cross-device restores as outlined above something that's ever been tested? Sep 27 12:02:02 directhex: the other option is to log into the profile with impostah, and then turn off backups to delete the backup on the server, and then do a normal erase and login normally Sep 27 12:02:30 WinterMute, okay to contact you in PM? Sep 27 12:03:27 WinterMute: ka6sox is one of the optware maintainers Sep 27 12:04:02 directhex: it should work, but no guarantees Sep 27 12:15:23 ka6sox: sure, np Sep 27 12:25:40 anyone would know where to place the osm.bin file for navit to find it by any chance ? it seems instructions I find on the web are outdated on the matter Sep 27 12:26:46 mac has shipped! Sep 27 12:26:48 woot woot Sep 27 12:28:44 congrats tib. Sep 27 12:29:56 i'm out por la escuela Sep 27 12:30:54 anyone want a clearview u.s. promo that will leave a review ? ?? reall quick Sep 27 12:31:22 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?promocode=626c60a9-b262-41f4-84d8-aaf7ae887d53 << you guys can fight over it if you like. Sep 27 12:31:43 l8er Sep 27 12:35:51 got an email, subject: "I have no cloe", message: "To Lisa" Sep 27 12:35:52 hrmm. Sep 27 12:36:39 I lost the "maps" app icon since the latest update. Anyone knows how to fix that ? Sep 27 12:44:44 of course after buying a new laptop, my current one is acting up Sep 27 12:44:56 jealousy is not good. Sep 27 12:50:34 heh crappy $90 android tablet: http://www.amazon.com/PanDigital-72-70FW-7-Inch-Tablet-Computer/dp/B004QRIUOG/ref=pd_ts_zgc_e_3063224011_1?ie=UTF8&zgs=electronics&s=electronics&zgrt=top-sellers&zgid=3063224011&pf_rd_p=1310294142&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=507846&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0KKHFBFFMSFPTQPRRK7H Sep 27 12:58:02 rwhitby, 401. good guess. Sep 27 12:58:35 rwhitby, seems, from impostah, that the handset is already activated - but the 401 issue on backups was preventing initial login with #*devmode# Sep 27 12:59:41 WinterMute, i need a little sleep how about a couple of hours from now? Sep 27 13:00:00 WinterMute: could you pick a more obvious and boring nick Sep 27 13:00:19 oclet: it wasn't obvious and boring when I chose it Sep 27 13:00:48 its the most used hacker nick of all time Sep 27 13:01:08 actually, i don't see paid apps in the app catalog Sep 27 13:01:24 only if you think "all time" started in 1996 :p Sep 27 13:01:37 neuromancer Sep 27 13:01:43 published july 1 1984 Sep 27 13:02:12 but not really part of popular culture until after Kevin Mitnick was arrested Sep 27 13:02:15 hm "Dr Skipped Firstuse" Sep 27 13:02:29 whys that Sep 27 13:02:36 whats mitnick have to do w/ the nick wintermute Sep 27 13:03:32 ka6sox: yeah, maybe ... I have places to be in about 4 hours though so maybe we can figure out a good time via email or something - davem@devkitpro.org Sep 27 13:03:52 whats mitnick have to do w/ the nick wintermute Sep 27 13:03:52 whats mitnick have to do w/ the nick wintermute Sep 27 13:03:53 whats mitnick have to do w/ the nick wintermute Sep 27 13:04:17 oclet: one of the news reports said Mitnick had Neuromancer on his bookshelf and implied it was the inspitiration for all his hacking exploits Sep 27 13:05:08 massive explosion of interest in William Gibson ensued Sep 27 13:05:46 directhex: that's when you turn off backups, do an erase and log in normally, hoping that the restore will work this time (due to there being no backup to restore) Sep 27 13:05:59 prior to that I used to have to explain where the nick came from, afterwards it became "obvious" in certain circles Sep 27 13:06:30 * WinterMute used it as a nick when I was doing ST demos back in the late 80s/early 90s Sep 27 13:06:48 got a bit attached to it over the years Sep 27 13:07:25 put ur demo on youtube Sep 27 13:07:28 i wanna see Sep 27 13:12:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOztwAsr1LM Sep 27 13:12:42 im kinda digging this one Sep 27 13:14:16 rwhitby, can't turn off backups when getting the 401 issue. "no internet connection" error Sep 27 13:15:01 directhex: ok Sep 27 13:15:24 directhex: there is a way to patch the backup service to bypass the error and allow the login to succeed Sep 27 13:17:35 rwhitby, is there an existing patch for this someplace? Sep 27 13:17:45 nope Sep 27 13:18:16 you'd need to get into the node.js backup service, hack it, then do an erase and login Sep 27 13:19:07 hm, impostah shows paid app access = true. pretty sure it's mistaken Sep 27 13:20:23 what country does it show? Sep 27 13:20:48 GB Sep 27 13:21:32 that's the info it's getting from the app catalog server Sep 27 13:21:45 anyway, late here. Sep 27 13:21:47 * rwhitby bbt Sep 27 13:29:12 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 27 16:20:29 PatrickC_Away: ping Sep 27 17:04:34 howza Sep 27 17:04:59 just to confirm, voogle's not working for anyone, not just me right? anyone know why? (did he take down hosting, or was it an API change or..) Sep 27 17:05:35 IIRC something changed on Google's end Sep 27 17:10:33 Wasn't he running running everything unencrypted through is server too? Sep 27 17:11:06 i wish he had a blog or something with updates (i can't find it at least.. kandutech.net is.. un,underinformative) Sep 27 17:11:25 wrea: i see some http and some https requests in the code, so it's slightly unclear Sep 27 17:13:11 well, the unclarity is because of the encodeURI(password) i'm .. okay i looked up that function. yes, i think he was sending things cleartext Sep 27 17:13:55 hi ajay Sep 27 17:14:24 I just forked it on github and was going to make it run on my server (w/ https hopefully, as long as webOS doesn't mind my crappy key :), but if it changed on Google's end.. Sep 27 17:16:12 Got the car charger kit for the veer on ebay Sep 27 17:16:24 wrea: how much? Sep 27 17:16:30 $10 shipped Sep 27 17:16:38 Cheaper than buy the cable only through hp Sep 27 17:16:42 i didn't see any at the palm store, but you could buy the parts from them easy enough for $5 Sep 27 17:16:43 buying* Sep 27 17:17:28 WEll, I'm not in the bay area anymore, so... :P Sep 27 17:17:37 wrea: oh for some reason i thought you were local.. they're selling the magnetic cable for $2.5, and a full (std) car charger for the same.. Sep 27 17:17:47 Damn Sep 27 17:17:49 lol Sep 27 17:17:49 wrea: oh you were, got it Sep 27 17:17:59 Lived in the east bay Sep 27 17:18:11 wrea: like, this year? did you ever come to a meetup? Sep 27 17:18:22 A few years ago now Sep 27 17:18:32 ah, k.. ignore that then :) Sep 27 17:18:49 has anybody gotten any sort of file syncing going on in webOS Sep 27 17:19:20 ? I see that there's no dropbox solutions available, I assume Ubuntu One'd be _real_ heavy (in every way).. are there alternatives? Sep 27 17:21:56 looks like there are some OSS alternatives available, maybe i'll have to investigate one of those.. Sep 27 17:31:01 ajay: there's a "voogle3" sold by a "webos world" on the app catalog... dunno what they've done to fix it Sep 27 17:31:50 i gotta buy another one? gah.. and it probably isn't tablet-friendly huh? le sigh.. they should be keeping it open source tho Sep 27 17:31:59 it's possible all they've done is take the code connor put out and then run their own gateway (which might still log and send passwords in cleartext) :P Sep 27 17:32:27 no post on webosworld (based on app's homepage link) even mentioning it Sep 27 17:32:30 i can't find voogle3 anywhere on the internets (mentioned i mean) Sep 27 17:32:39 nor could I Sep 27 17:33:20 dwc-: where did you hear this? Sep 27 17:33:24 hear what Sep 27 17:33:40 dwc-: Where's your evidence of logging passwords, btw :) Sep 27 17:33:44 dwc-: hear about the voogle3 Sep 27 17:33:57 I saw it on the app catalog in "new apps" so I clicked on the homepage link in the catalog Sep 27 17:34:02 trying to find out more about it Sep 27 17:34:06 oh yeah you said that.. don't see it Sep 27 17:34:23 let me see if it's still there Sep 27 17:34:42 what did folks say about full-screen'ing X, is it possible? Sep 27 17:34:47 oh yeah i see it Sep 27 17:35:15 re: password logging, that is just my assumption Sep 27 17:35:28 by default in every HTTPd I've used, GET params are all in the webserver logs Sep 27 17:35:38 and based on my perusing of the code connor released Sep 27 17:35:44 ahhhhh Sep 27 17:36:00 it's all basically http(not s)://kandutech/.../?username=...&password=... Sep 27 17:36:11 there were a few https in there Sep 27 17:36:20 yea, between the server and google Sep 27 17:36:24 but not between the app and the server Sep 27 17:36:28 no for kandutech Sep 27 17:38:02 ok, well, my concern is that the non-https exist Sep 27 17:38:13 woot! not a bad callout from there from Adora on twitter https://twitter.com/adora/status/118731037839855618 Sep 27 17:38:40 with her 6k followers Sep 27 17:39:00 ajay: peeking at the source again, I agree, there are some http and some https Sep 27 17:40:25 rwatkins: nice.. now to get her to pimp our meetup :) Sep 27 17:40:32 dwc-: which, is odd. Sep 27 17:40:48 isn't she going to the meetup? Sep 27 17:41:00 well, i'm glad i could bless the internet w/ my password Sep 27 17:41:23 which meetup? Sep 27 17:41:33 dwc-: she RSVP'd, but i was trying to get her to RT about it .. i'm pretty sure her and rod ignore my tweets :( Sep 27 17:41:44 rwatkins: the SJ/SF BA webOS meetup Sep 27 17:41:56 I'm saving my hero points for app catalog favors down the road Sep 27 17:42:25 rwatkins: http://www.meetup.com/sfbaywebos/events/34208032/ Sep 27 17:42:38 ah, ya no NYC one on the schedule currently. last one was with Ben Combee - best NYC meetup of them all. Sep 27 17:43:04 it amuses me that the wicked witch of the west is the listed sponsor Sep 27 17:43:05 short of NYC Dev Days I guess. Sep 27 17:43:18 ha Sep 27 17:43:54 got an all star cast there listed as 'attending' Sep 27 17:44:08 HP/Palm has no representatives in the NYC area. Sep 27 17:48:41 dwc-: have i met you in person btw? Yeah that wicked witch sponsoring it is the reason i haven't rsvpd, i dunno.. Sep 27 17:48:55 i mean, i did read+see Wicked, but.. seeing that image, i just really don't want to come.. ;| Sep 27 17:52:08 * ajay needs to work harder on his humor, apparently :) Sep 27 17:54:43 Adora: thanks for the call out, appreciate it. Sep 27 17:54:45 adora! speak of the devil.. ;^) was just wondering if you tweeted for the friday meetup :) Sep 27 17:54:58 MS did something right!!! Sep 27 17:55:00 "Not only that, it throws in a faster JavaScript engine and hardware-accelerated graphics that use the phone's built-in GPU when rendering HTML5 animation or vide" Sep 27 17:56:05 hotdp: good thing they don't make hardware, otherwise we'd be in trouble.. Sep 27 17:57:00 ;^) Sep 27 17:57:59 Its a good choice Sep 27 17:59:23 oo there's an n64 emu? damn, i really need that panda TP.. :( Sep 27 18:07:31 damn, I better jump on this $10 veer unlock quick-like.. eek.. Sep 27 18:08:40 Im on att, dont need an unlock :P Sep 27 18:11:31 wrea: don't let your phone be subjugated like that, it's meant to be free! Sep 27 18:11:40 but i guess att would give you a free unlock code if you called them Sep 27 18:14:01 * ajay would _really_ appreciate any hp/palm employee or att customer that could get a few unlock codes for him..! Sep 27 18:18:35 * ajay is starting to get the hang of this git thing Sep 27 18:22:08 ajay: maybe you have Sep 27 18:22:26 ah, it's nice to be back on irc again Sep 27 18:23:10 dwc-: you've been to prior meets? if so then probably.. (tho there were a good number of people at the last one!) Sep 27 18:23:37 I was at 21st amendment (small) and the touchpad launch party (sans a touchpad) Sep 27 18:24:45 i think i've been to every single NYC meet. Sep 27 18:24:51 ajay: where's this $10 unlock? Sep 27 18:25:12 dwc-: i wasn't at 21st (iirc), and there were a lot of people at the TP launch so who knows if i met you there :) Sep 27 18:25:35 * ajay partially wants to rename this friday's the pre3 soft-launch party, but.. then bad things may ensue! Sep 27 18:25:43 also, dunno whether you can get an unlock out of AT&T for a few more months Sep 27 18:26:00 dwc-: with someone i know Sep 27 18:26:09 dwc-: I know a dude that just unlocked 6 pre3s with them Sep 27 18:26:13 (or so he says) Sep 27 18:26:20 per the last rules I've seen, "exclusive" phones aren't eligible for unlocks for 11 mo after release Sep 27 18:26:38 well, I know a bunch of the ones that palm employees got came with unlock codes :P Sep 27 18:27:48 dwc-: dunno what to tell ya! I know about the codes tho :) (Wish I got 'em!) Sep 27 18:28:34 i want to be a GRF! (what's that?) Sep 27 18:28:47 ;^) Sep 27 18:40:25 dwc-: you have a mifi by chance? Sep 27 18:41:58 holy crap i'm following 19 repos on github? This is getting out-of-hand :) (ok, like half of them are OpenVBX-related.. but now i need folders or tags or something :) Sep 27 18:42:50 woa, they have a pretty snazzy 404 page (at github) Sep 27 18:43:26 ajay: nope Sep 27 18:56:54 dwc-: you interested in some unlock code(s)? Sep 27 19:00:15 http://t.co/L2IHi0G7 Sep 27 19:00:38 PatrickC: i didn't know you were w/ Tablet forum, hehe Sep 27 19:00:44 yep :) Sep 27 19:00:47 PatrickC: how much? Sep 27 19:00:49 I got your email Sep 27 19:00:56 ajay: really cheap Sep 27 19:00:59 PatrickC: that's how i knew you were with them :) Sep 27 19:01:18 i'm glad the boxes has no plastic for once Sep 27 19:01:23 (outside at least) Sep 27 19:04:44 lulz att Sep 27 19:05:21 halfhalo: and 16GB Sep 27 19:05:26 lulz Sep 27 19:06:18 PatrickC: did you ever continue with our meetup takeover plans in soCal? Sep 27 19:06:41 umm.. what? lol Sep 27 19:06:56 PatrickC: wasn't your local webOS meetup taken over by that guy? Sep 27 19:07:13 oh no that was sineot i was collaborating with, oops :) Sep 27 19:07:31 otters, patricks.. hard to keep 'em straight :) Sep 27 19:08:10 lol Sep 27 19:09:43 PuffTheMagic: ping Sep 27 19:09:46 nvm Sep 27 19:11:12 PatrickC, pong Sep 27 19:11:14 nvm Sep 27 19:11:28 I was looking for freetether on ipkg.preware.org Sep 27 19:11:33 didn't notice the appid change Sep 27 19:12:30 wow. pre3 is so fast Sep 27 19:13:34 PuffTheMagic: has freeTether been tested on the pre3? Sep 27 19:15:08 i think people have used it, but i dont have one, nor could test it even if I had one Sep 27 19:15:35 ok.. Sep 27 19:16:37 PuffTheMagic: does freetether work on the touchpad? i installed it, but i wasn't sure if it was actually working or not Sep 27 19:16:41 * ajay doesn't have AT&T Sep 27 19:16:58 HattCzech_work, you have a att touchpad? Sep 27 19:17:11 i can only test shit that runs on sprint Sep 27 19:17:20 im not switching carriers to test FT Sep 27 19:17:29 * halfhalo would test if he could Sep 27 19:17:38 if someone got me a simcard with minutes i might test FT on my veer Sep 27 19:17:43 no, just wondering with usb and wifi, not cell networks Sep 27 19:17:49 PuffTheMagic: when turning on USB tethering, it triggers a reboot Sep 27 19:18:04 someone should make a wifi/voip sim card.. hrmm.. Sep 27 19:18:13 PatrickC: me too!! yay Sep 27 19:18:25 you too? what? Sep 27 19:18:28 I'm lost haha Sep 27 19:18:33 PatrickC: usb turning on reboots device Sep 27 19:18:41 yep Sep 27 19:19:08 i thought i was special :( Sep 27 19:19:14 j/k Sep 27 19:19:31 you are special Jay :) Sep 27 19:19:36 i will have to check the pre3 kernel code to see if shit changed Sep 27 19:19:40 ajay* Sep 27 19:19:45 stupid autocorrect :P Sep 27 19:19:45 but i cant now i have a ton of machine learning hw to do Sep 27 19:19:50 PuffTheMagic: oh my pre+ and pre2 reboot on usb activation Sep 27 19:19:59 s/activation/tethering enabled Sep 27 19:20:06 ajay: that doesn't happen to me Sep 27 19:20:11 only pre3/tp do that Sep 27 19:20:12 * ajay is special after all Sep 27 19:20:24 sounds like you have different versions or cruft left over from old versions Sep 27 19:20:59 unless the cruft was kept in my palm profile, i don't see how.. Sep 27 19:21:27 * ajay is confused to see that some apps store data in the palm profile even tho everyone claims they cant.. Sep 27 19:22:18 ajay: depends on how much data Sep 27 19:22:54 ATT Doctor is available :D??? Sep 27 19:23:03 eighthree: what?! gimme vz doctor! arg.. Sep 27 19:23:16 I'm ready to breakdown Sep 27 19:23:18 and like Sep 27 19:23:19 ajay cookies are backed in up the profile Sep 27 19:23:19 implode.. Sep 27 19:24:08 * ajay notes that the Verizon pre3 software is from late May, att pre3 s/w from early aug Sep 27 19:24:11 localStorage not backed up to Profile. So no Paper Mache backup. Sep 27 19:24:42 ~2000 file difference between them (but it even lists ringtones and wallpapers as different so that's a slight exaggeration) Sep 27 19:24:46 halfhalo: ahhhhhhhhh... Sep 27 19:25:03 PuffTheMagic: do you store cookies in the palm profile.. Sep 27 19:25:53 ajay, FT has no persistent settings atm Sep 27 19:26:59 PuffTheMagic: i setup my pre2 in like may or june, so i don't think it can be related to old versions.. Sep 27 19:27:30 i started having that reboot problem on my pre+ as soon as I went to webOS 2 iirc, so i thought it was a webOS 2 bug Sep 27 19:29:01 this job Sep 27 19:29:03 is Sep 27 19:29:05 driving me nuts Sep 27 19:29:09 someone slap me Sep 27 19:30:38 * ajay /kick eighthree Sep 27 19:30:50 :D ty <3 Sep 27 19:30:54 err, i don't thnk there's a slap command Sep 27 19:32:11 infobot does iirc Sep 27 19:32:12 i don't understand how my boss has been able to manage this company Sep 27 19:32:21 for 15 years Sep 27 19:32:44 the company is run that well, eh? Sep 27 19:33:19 far from. Sep 27 19:33:21 so disorganised. Sep 27 19:33:35 i got print materials due friday last week Sep 27 19:33:48 he gave me the specs the midnight before its due. Sep 27 19:33:56 then leaves for toronto and ny .. Sep 27 19:34:10 right after he was gone for about a week partying at cabo mexico Sep 27 19:34:22 i already gave my 2 week notice Sep 27 19:34:23 but. Sep 27 19:34:25 yeahhh.. Sep 27 19:34:46 * PatrickC guesses he'll have to meta-doctor Sep 27 19:34:55 * ajay thought infobot was killed Sep 27 19:35:07 PatrickC revived it? Sep 27 19:35:19 activate Sep 27 19:35:22 yep Sep 27 19:35:23 http://t.co/L2IHi0G7 Sep 27 19:35:33 sorry, thought you said something else :) Sep 27 19:35:53 PatrickC: i don't see what that link has to do w/ infobot. Sep 27 19:36:04 nothing :P Sep 27 19:36:08 that was for eighthree Sep 27 19:36:17 infobot was killed from this channel, yes Sep 27 19:36:24 heheh awesome Sep 27 19:36:27 the doctor is out for it Sep 27 19:36:28 :D Sep 27 19:38:23 is it bad that I have the meta-doctor git link memorized? :P Sep 27 19:38:33 PatrickC: you should be flogged Sep 27 19:38:47 j/k.. not sure why you need to do so many metadoctor git gets tho! :) Sep 27 19:39:32 lol Sep 27 19:39:46 argh... idk what carrier to tell the meta-doctor it is Sep 27 19:44:27 PatrickC: read the directions online Sep 27 19:44:46 there isn't any for the AT&T doctor yet :P Sep 27 19:44:47 they're a bit complicated tho, not like normal metadoctor Sep 27 19:44:54 PatrickC: there is, kinda Sep 27 19:44:56 the doctor was released like 5 min ago :P Sep 27 19:45:04 oh?! i thought that was a rumor! Sep 27 19:45:08 the impersonation, nah Sep 27 19:45:14 where! Sep 27 19:45:20 downloading *2.2.3!!!!!!* now! Sep 27 19:45:28 i need to download it before they change their mind! Sep 27 19:45:41 http://t.co/Kf8A3pYe Sep 27 19:45:45 2.2.3!!! Sep 27 19:46:38 linky no worky.. oh works in FF, not chrome? hrmm weird.. Sep 27 19:47:23 PatrickC: where did you hear/read about this release? Sep 27 19:47:33 twitter Sep 27 19:48:16 why can't they just let all their directories be browseable! alas Sep 27 19:48:26 * ajay has GOT to get into this whole "twitter" thing Sep 27 19:48:37 lol Sep 27 19:49:56 yay! webosdev RT'd about our meetup! :) Sep 27 19:50:36 4 min left! Sep 27 19:51:10 Is /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.messaging/stylesheets/preferences.css a zero byte file for anyone else? Sep 27 19:52:01 nvm Sep 27 19:55:50 PatrickC: who are you following that tweeted that? and looks like my internet is faster than yours :) (I am physically closer too ;^) Sep 27 19:56:04 @JayCannuk Sep 27 19:58:21 interesting.. Sep 27 19:58:57 I'm @awesomeapps_ and @NashwebOSMeetup Sep 27 19:59:11 well, and @YourRadio_webOS too :) Sep 27 19:59:24 so whos already doctored their ATT pre3 to 2.2.3? Sep 27 20:00:46 getting ready to Sep 27 20:00:56 rwatkins: heh.. Sep 27 20:01:06 can't get the doctor to see the phone Sep 27 20:02:17 stop going to a blind doctor. Sep 27 20:02:23 mwahaha Sep 27 20:02:40 it was weird, i couldn't get the doctor to see this woman's touchpad until i put it in dev mode.. wasn't expecting that Sep 27 20:02:49 ka6sox: what? Sep 27 20:02:50 PatrickC: ping Sep 27 20:02:55 dwc-: pong Sep 27 20:03:01 ka6sox: "blind doctor"? Sep 27 20:03:11 you know anything about this webos world voogle 3? Sep 27 20:03:23 not yet Sep 27 20:03:27 :) Sep 27 20:03:32 haven't talked to noah yet Sep 27 20:03:40 I'm gonna talk to him as soon as I can Sep 27 20:04:19 anyone else want a $10 unlock? (Veer and hopefully pre3 too) Sep 27 20:06:46 ok past time for lunch/work methinks.. Sep 27 20:09:45 PatrickC: damn, i just did a metadoctor backup of my whole pre3, for no reason now.. ;^) (since doc is avail) I think that's how doctors work actually.. Sep 27 20:10:02 what? lol Sep 27 20:10:08 a whole backup? P Sep 27 20:10:10 :P* Sep 27 20:10:50 the 1.4.5 update for verizon came out like the day (or day after) i realized i had access to it in Early Access. hilarity Sep 27 20:11:46 2.2.0 to 2.2.3 sounds like quite the jump.. i wonder what's new.. also surprised it didn't come out OTA first Sep 27 20:12:39 that's nice... in recovery mode, and the doctor doesn't see the device Sep 27 20:13:27 ajay: did you get the doctor to run? Sep 27 20:13:35 run doctor, run Sep 27 20:13:45 PatrickC: I haven't tried yet.. should i? Sep 27 20:13:51 you're right, of course! Sep 27 20:13:58 idk Sep 27 20:14:15 it couldn't find my device once I was in recovery Sep 27 20:14:21 and novaterm couldn't either Sep 27 20:14:23 so idk Sep 27 20:14:26 the pre3's usb connector is super tight Sep 27 20:16:04 my guess is the .3 is either a couple more vendor customization or just newer versions of enyo. but an updated webkit would be *lovely* Sep 27 20:16:11 * ajay noticed that's the webos.org blog gave him a top hit on google.. interesting.. but it's slow as all Sep 27 20:18:27 gah failed twice to get into recovery Sep 27 20:18:51 mine fails once in recovery Sep 27 20:18:56 this thing sure takes longer to boot than expected! (processor, lack of profile, it should be quick as all) Sep 27 20:19:07 yeah Sep 27 20:20:28 PatrickC: hm, same here, no novaterm, no doctor Sep 27 20:20:54 odd Sep 27 20:21:08 maybe it's an att "feature"! ;^) Sep 27 20:21:34 i could novaterm the other day, that's how i shut it down, so this is weird Sep 27 20:21:39 how did you turn yours off? Sep 27 20:23:32 eh i really dont need to do this right now (if ever! ;^) Sep 27 20:24:16 gonna go.. Sep 27 20:24:53 ttfn! Sep 27 20:41:03 hey guys, have a quick question: does anyone know what Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.PlatformVersion show for the Pre3? Sep 27 20:41:13 rsanchez1: not sure Sep 27 20:41:49 HattCzech_work: guess what?? :) Sep 27 20:42:00 what? Sep 27 20:42:03 or Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.screenHeight Sep 27 20:42:07 fix my problem? :) Sep 27 20:42:20 HattCzech_work: not quite. but I got a pre3 :) Sep 27 20:42:21 i escalated to devrel... maybe that will help Sep 27 20:42:35 hopefully Sep 27 20:42:40 since HP is most likely not going to update other devices, screenHeight will be just as good as PlatformVersion Sep 27 20:42:41 I really want that app :) Sep 27 20:42:47 that is awesome... and i may get a pre3 as well Sep 27 20:42:52 cool! Sep 27 20:42:53 so do i :) hahah Sep 27 20:43:01 PatrickC: where are you guys getting all these pre3s i want one Sep 27 20:43:15 i have a friend that works for hp Sep 27 20:43:22 cwayne1: its a secret stash only me and HattCzech_work know about Sep 27 20:43:30 i WANT a verizon one so MIGHT eventually be able to use it on sprint... Sep 27 20:43:36 but that might be a little too hopeful Sep 27 20:43:44 HattCzech_work: very doubtful Sep 27 20:44:05 don't kill my dreams! :( hp has done enough of that already :) haha Sep 27 20:44:11 lol Sep 27 20:44:23 man... I wish Impostah would work :/ Sep 27 20:44:45 PatrickC: haaaaaaaaa Sep 27 20:44:50 it's not? Sep 27 20:44:53 cwayne1: what? lol Sep 27 20:45:03 I'd love an att pre3, just not going to spend ebay prices for one Sep 27 20:45:06 what are you trying to impostah? Sep 27 20:45:06 HattCzech_work: I have an issue where its rejecting me IMEI Sep 27 20:45:13 ahh Sep 27 20:45:14 profile Sep 27 20:45:26 if my friend has extras, i'll let people in this area know first Sep 27 20:46:51 I would definitely like to know Sep 27 20:47:30 * halfhalo has pre3 eventually on its way Sep 27 20:47:48 HattCzech_work, thanks Sep 27 20:48:20 its "special" Sep 27 20:48:34 no problem... now i just need to figure out the whole enyo workaround and i'll be a happy camper Sep 27 20:48:38 "special"? Sep 27 20:48:59 special as in vzw Sep 27 20:49:35 that worked... haha Sep 27 20:49:38 good.. uh.. morning.. everyone Sep 27 20:50:04 http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/California-State-University-Northridge-130652638.html :/ Sep 27 20:50:35 halfhalo: how'd you manage to get a verizon one? Sep 27 20:50:53 bribes, blackmail, and extortion Sep 27 20:51:04 the best methods Sep 27 20:51:17 so halfhalo, it should be a CDMA/GSM, right? Sep 27 20:51:23 yup Sep 27 20:51:29 SKYPE!!! Sep 27 20:51:45 could you bribe, blackmail, and extort for another one? Sep 27 20:51:51 i would go get food.... but don't wanna get shot Sep 27 20:51:58 Nah, can't get any more Sep 27 20:52:16 damn... reasonable price? Sep 27 20:52:19 You dont wear a bulletproof vest? Sep 27 20:52:25 you could say that Sep 27 20:52:38 sounds questionable :) Sep 27 20:52:38 PatrickC: what about skype? Sep 27 20:52:49 i assume in the att 2.2.3 doctor ... Sep 27 20:52:51 the best things always are... Sep 27 20:52:52 eighthree: official app on pre3 Sep 27 20:53:02 its on 2.2.3? Sep 27 20:53:22 I haven't been able to get the 2.2.3 doctor to find my device yet Sep 27 20:54:01 I setup WIDK again and still having problems with ld Sep 27 20:55:17 CRAP. out of coke. Sep 27 20:55:23 * halfhalo goes to get more Sep 27 20:57:49 so it would return 2.2.3 for platformVersion? Sep 27 20:57:53 the Pre3 Sep 27 20:58:29 halfhalo: you and charlie sheen Sep 27 20:58:39 lol Sep 27 20:58:41 lol Sep 27 20:58:56 Run out of hookers too? Sep 27 20:59:19 solution - have hookers bring the blow Sep 27 21:14:02 * halfhalo has pepsi. all is well in the world Sep 27 21:23:35 awesome! Sep 27 21:23:44 at&t nav works! FREE! Sep 27 21:27:49 20 says that loophole gets closed real quick Sep 27 21:30:20 halfhalo: its because I already have a telenav subscription thru sprint Sep 27 21:31:19 suuuuuure Sep 27 21:31:30 well, it works Sep 27 21:31:35 I'm not complaining :P Sep 27 21:31:46 I used the same PIN from sprint nav Sep 27 21:34:50 * PatrickC wishes he could swap comms boards Sep 27 21:35:18 lulz Sep 27 21:35:22 * halfhalo goes to buy games Sep 27 21:36:09 dude.. that *is* the enyo maps app Sep 27 21:36:29 you make less sense than this brick Sep 27 21:36:54 halfhalo: the pre3 has the enyo maps app Sep 27 21:36:58 not the mojo Sep 27 21:37:00 and? Sep 27 21:37:14 I figured it would have the mojo Sep 27 21:38:13 hmm Sep 27 21:38:22 there is 16GB of ram on my desk right now Sep 27 21:39:12 16GB of useless ram that is Sep 27 21:40:50 I'll take some Sep 27 21:40:54 hey summatusmentis Sep 27 21:40:59 buy your own Sep 27 21:41:02 its cheap nowadays Sep 27 21:41:05 are you just always here pat? Sep 27 21:41:14 summatusmentis: yep Sep 27 21:41:17 I have a bouncer Sep 27 21:41:24 well, yeah, me too Sep 27 21:41:24 and today I'm just here :P Sep 27 21:43:00 lies Sep 27 21:43:07 * halfhalo is here due to gun Sep 27 21:43:29 who is holding a gun to your head? Sep 27 21:43:41 half the campus is in lockdown due to guy with gun Sep 27 21:43:52 orly? dang Sep 27 21:43:53 where? Sep 27 21:44:01 not far enough from me. Sep 27 21:44:01 wow Sep 27 21:44:03 CSUN Sep 27 21:44:13 dude... everyone must be downloading the doctor Sep 27 21:44:17 ka6sox: safe? Sep 27 21:44:23 * ka6sox looks down and throws stones @ halfhalo Sep 27 21:44:27 California State United Nations? Sep 27 21:44:36 cause someone already updated the impersonation page saying not to use it... Sep 27 21:44:41 Cal State University Nowhere. Sep 27 21:44:46 Cal State Northridge Sep 27 21:44:58 you missed the U Sep 27 21:45:11 I got it right Sep 27 21:45:14 thats what U think Sep 27 21:45:22 boom! Sep 27 21:45:24 :) Sep 27 21:45:40 * ka6sox continues to throw rocks down on halfhalo's head. Sep 27 21:45:54 * halfhalo throws them back Sep 27 21:46:06 I got a 3000' height advantage :P Sep 27 21:46:08 haters Sep 27 21:46:10 so, I got a registration code so I can unlock my veer Sep 27 21:46:26 now I just need to figure out how usable it'll be around here Sep 27 21:46:54 halfhalo: has he killed anybody? Sep 27 21:46:59 or won't I hear about this on the news... :P Sep 27 21:46:59 no Sep 27 21:47:21 halfhalo: you have a crossbow. go get him! Sep 27 21:47:42 crazy freaks out there in california... Sep 27 21:50:16 someone needs to make use of the front camera on the pre3 Sep 27 21:50:33 there's no camera app for it? Sep 27 21:50:41 it's like the touchpad without the market app? haha Sep 27 21:51:11 it has a camera app Sep 27 21:51:17 just only uses the back camera Sep 27 21:51:24 that's wiitarded Sep 27 21:52:06 yeah Sep 27 21:52:08 I know Sep 27 21:52:15 * PatrickC tries freeCam Sep 27 21:56:19 ka6sox is flying? Sep 27 21:57:04 dwc-, nope...terra firma (well as firm as we can be here on the Pacific Plate.) Sep 27 22:00:03 * dwc- had figured ka6sox was more coastal than that Sep 27 22:01:32 dwc-, very coastal...0-4000' in 2miles. Sep 27 22:02:21 not familiar with that part of CA I guess Sep 27 22:03:07 East Bay ftw Sep 27 22:03:30 he's southern cal, iirc Sep 27 22:03:30 PatrickC: are you @awesomeapps_ ? Sep 27 22:03:41 rwhitby: yes Sep 27 22:03:45 why? Sep 27 22:04:25 hey rwhitby, how do we use that emergency cache wipe? Sep 27 22:04:33 he installed it but found no icon or anything Sep 27 22:05:28 "awesomeapps, the apps without conditionals!" ? Sep 27 22:05:30 PatrickC: cause now I know to ignore that tweet, based on the crying wolf principle. Sep 27 22:05:48 rwhitby: more people then just me have experienced it Sep 27 22:05:52 wrea: but even mt diablo at 4000' is more than 2mi from the ocean Sep 27 22:05:54 ajay had it happen to him too Sep 27 22:06:01 PatrickC: especially when it says "Period." - that's a guarantee that you're doing something wong. Sep 27 22:06:15 so me and ajay both did it wrong? Sep 27 22:06:33 PatrickC: yeah, that'd by my bet. Sep 27 22:06:42 ok.. Sep 27 22:07:01 I'm hoping it was something on their servers/something that's fixed now Sep 27 22:07:21 trying to download again (maybe bad download) but its taking super long Sep 27 22:07:26 PatrickC: since neither of you posted a console log, one has to assume it's user error first. Sep 27 22:07:51 rwhitby: I looked at the log for the doctor, it just said no devices found Sep 27 22:08:22 post the whole thing Sep 27 22:08:23 dwc-, Mt. Tam is pretty darn close, but its only 2500ft Sep 27 22:08:28 PatrickC: and how many times do you think that message has been user error compared to a problem with the doctor. give me a percentage. Sep 27 22:08:30 if something above it failed Sep 27 22:08:48 wrea: yea Sep 27 22:08:59 rwhitby: if it happens again, I'll paste the log Sep 27 22:09:15 PatrickC: you should have pasted the log the first time. Sep 27 22:09:20 I loved the north bay Sep 27 22:13:22 I once climbed down to an edge of a cliff at Pt. Reyes and got a bunch of weird looks from people by doing it. Sep 27 22:15:35 tell 'em you're going to go hug the elephant seals Sep 27 22:15:46 rofl Sep 27 22:16:12 Hug them after a few hundred foot fall Sep 27 22:16:34 4 minutes :) Sep 27 22:16:57 I was taking photos, so I didnt think it was so weird. But I had a lot of people staring at me Sep 27 22:19:20 I didnt even have my big camera at that point. Sep 27 22:28:02 No one knows what a film camera looks like anymore Sep 27 22:38:47 * halfhalo goes home early due to gun threat Sep 27 22:38:58 halfhalo, good idea Sep 27 22:39:02 *sigh* got whacked on the Precentra Pre3 review Sep 27 22:39:44 http://www.precentral.net/review-hp-pre3#enyo Sep 27 22:42:07 PatrickC: as expected, 2.2.3 doctor works fine. Sep 27 22:42:18 "Period." Sep 27 22:42:44 rwhitby, its running now Sep 27 22:42:46 it didnt before Sep 27 22:42:50 and idk why Sep 27 22:42:58 sorry for the false info.. Sep 27 22:43:43 bbl Sep 27 22:50:17 mmm.. i just had a fun thought. if we can figure out how to get splashtop to serve a non-primary monitor, i can then use my touchpad as a fourth display Sep 27 22:50:53 EricBlade: looks like you've got the only other Enyo app running on the Pre3 Sep 27 22:51:42 rwatkins: yeah .. and it doesn't quite function right, i found out yesterday, but i have a fix in the pipe for that Sep 27 22:52:08 you use SlidingPanes I presume? Sep 27 22:52:45 yes. what other app works? Sep 27 22:53:12 also my dashboard notification shows up all white Sep 27 22:53:15 The only enyo apps on the Pre3 are the bundled Maps app, Paper Mache and GVoice Sep 27 22:53:20 ya, mine as well. Sep 27 22:53:39 and I think Maps doenst use sliding panes, so I suspect thats the issue for the UI slowness in our apps. Sep 27 22:54:09 you use Virtual lists or Repeaters or non-Virtual ones? Sep 27 22:54:12 you told me some time ago that sliding pane interface just works, so i tried it and for the most part, you're right. although on the emulator, the display gets really weird when it's sliding Sep 27 22:54:15 virtualrepeater Sep 27 22:54:27 it does indeed "work" Sep 27 22:54:52 its just god aweful slow on the actual device. emulator fast enough but flickers Sep 27 22:55:56 i've had that flickering on my touchpad before too once, i rebooted and it went away Sep 27 22:56:54 when i get the mark-message-read thing working in the pre3 emu, i'll use that as my desktop google voice app haha Sep 27 22:57:14 ha Sep 27 22:57:27 hey guys, have a quick question: does anyone know what Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.PlatformVersion show for the Pre3? Sep 27 22:58:34 hmmm what the heck. charge on my account "internet debit" Sep 27 22:58:36 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Sep 27 23:00:52 wow, Lifehacker's browser rating now rates Chrome on the bottom of the heap and Opera at the top. that's bizarre. Sep 27 23:01:08 I'm using Opera right now? Sep 27 23:01:29 I mean, right now :P Sep 27 23:01:55 yeah i've got Opera with some 80 tabs open right now, and Chrome with nothing but it's Tweetdeck app, because it kicks the crap out of the native AIR tweetdeck Sep 27 23:02:35 I have Chrome open to my Enyo app, and a crapload of tabs in Opera Sep 27 23:02:39 tab stacking is just too good Sep 27 23:04:18 i never use that, the stacking order drives me nuts Sep 27 23:04:59 rwatkins: it's good to be in elite company. now i just need to learn how to make my app look good Sep 27 23:05:28 anyone here played with touchpad and pre2 message sharing? Sep 27 23:05:47 i thought messages were supposed to pop up on the touchpad when connected to bluetooth? Sep 27 23:05:55 HattCzech_work: it requires webos 2.2 Sep 27 23:06:02 :( Sep 27 23:06:22 I just love being able to mouse over a tab stack and seeing a preview of each tab in the stack pop up Sep 27 23:06:23 * HattCzech_work wants 2.2 on pre2 or a pre3 Sep 27 23:06:34 quickly check who updated their twitter and whatnot Sep 27 23:06:40 I would like it on veer but currently pre3 has to do ;) Sep 27 23:06:54 * HattCzech_work shakes fist at sconix Sep 27 23:07:15 yeah, i have a veer as well... but no at&t Sep 27 23:07:21 (or 2.2) Sep 27 23:07:29 My veer is in TX somewhere Sep 27 23:07:34 where's the HP piñata... need to take this bat to it until 2.2.x drops out for pre2/veer Sep 27 23:08:51 with carrier approval being an obstacle to widespread software updates, i'm going to guess that the only hope there is if we end up with a webos hardware manufacturer that wants to get some goodwill for new customers Sep 27 23:09:15 I have an unlocked pre2! Sep 27 23:09:46 I need to keep notes Sep 27 23:09:57 I don't care whether VZW wants to put their verizon.tar on it Sep 27 23:10:05 s/it/theirs/ Sep 27 23:11:05 You'd think if a previous problem came back I'd remember how to fix it, but nope. Sep 27 23:16:21 booooooooooooo Sep 27 23:16:24 shell went down Sep 27 23:18:29 well, this could be bad. My Touchpad just took it's first fall, and it went back to the HP logo screen Sep 27 23:18:39 although I can still hear sounds playing Sep 27 23:19:26 shoulda bought two ;( Sep 27 23:20:01 or more Sep 27 23:20:48 whew, it came back up Sep 27 23:23:02 My host mode cables come this week Sep 27 23:28:05 EricBlade: It rebooted when you dropped it? Sep 27 23:31:10 yeah Sep 27 23:31:55 well it went to the HP logo, sounds were still playing for a few seconds, and then it came back up a bit later as if it had rebooted. maybe a luna restart Sep 27 23:36:09 i wish you could set the music player to not decrease volume on system alerts Sep 28 00:01:21 anyone in here looking for a vzw pre 2? Sep 28 00:03:25 maybe for the right price Sep 28 00:03:50 hey, I could make another gsm pre2 Sep 28 00:04:02 I convinced my boss to buy one, and she can't figure out how to use it :-\ Sep 28 00:04:16 lol Sep 28 00:04:17 lol Sep 28 00:04:27 that's ok, my mom decided she wanted one Sep 28 00:04:31 as a spare for something or other Sep 28 00:04:40 she ... won't know what to do with it Sep 28 00:04:45 if she breaks her current phone Sep 28 00:05:02 I have a crappy android phone for that Sep 28 00:05:03 what I really want for her and my grandmother is a GSM jitterbug :p Sep 28 00:05:15 she has long fingernails and keeps putting the nail over the proximity sensor when on a phone call and trying to push buttons Sep 28 00:05:58 lol Sep 28 00:06:11 she's looking to get $100 out of the sale of the Pre 2 and two touchstones Sep 28 00:06:22 if anyone is interested Sep 28 00:06:33 * dwc- will pass Sep 28 00:06:36 if not, I'll somehow convince her to put it on ebay Sep 28 00:06:48 or rather...she'll have me put it on ebay for her :-\ Sep 28 00:06:51 * dwc- bought pre2s for $55, and can still buy touchstones for $5 from vzw Sep 28 00:07:24 if only I'd thought to resell, I probably could have funded a pre3 purchase by now :s Sep 28 00:07:36 trust me, she got it for $55 as well. I think it's unreasonable that she's selling it for a profit. Sep 28 00:07:48 (resell to non-friends/family for more than cost, that is) Sep 28 00:08:16 but I made the mistake of telling her I'd have no problem reselling it for the price she bought it, so she hopped on ebay and saw used ones going for 160 Sep 28 00:08:47 current price or completed auctions? Sep 28 00:09:00 auctions with bids Sep 28 00:09:43 yikes... if I'd sold the ones I bought for people for $100 instead of $55, I definitely could have bought myself a pre3 by now Sep 28 00:10:57 tell me about it Sep 28 00:11:04 instead, I hoarded for wosi Sep 28 00:13:23 eh, at that amounts, the profit might even have been worth the effort Sep 28 00:13:42 it certainly wasn't for sfbay area craigslist Sep 28 00:14:31 ... though I guess the stock has dried up now... lowest price on a pre2 is now $100, instead of $85 Sep 28 00:37:23 I want spotify on my touchpad. Sep 28 00:37:35 good luck Sep 28 00:37:50 most likely I will make it myself Sep 28 00:40:11 Tibfib_, PM? Sep 28 00:40:34 no Sep 28 00:40:42 PatrickC-Away: send away Sep 28 00:40:53 lol Sep 28 00:49:48 Tibfib_: you can install Spotify on your TP Sep 28 00:49:50 I did Sep 28 00:49:57 rwatkins: WHA? Sep 28 00:50:02 via ubuntu? Sep 28 00:50:08 no, via palm-install Sep 28 00:50:12 oh Sep 28 00:50:16 but it sucks, doesn't it? Sep 28 00:50:19 err Sep 28 00:50:22 but YES, it sucks. Sep 28 00:50:26 I want a good spotify client. Sep 28 00:50:28 its ... small. Sep 28 00:50:46 it sucks on the pre2. Sep 28 00:50:52 there is a patch to make it uiRevision: 2 but havent tried that yet Sep 28 00:51:00 still gonna suck Sep 28 00:51:25 Its not exactly stellar, but I can cache and play my playlists offline so enough for what I need Sep 28 00:51:26 even if you put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig. Sep 28 00:51:45 No, its a beautiful pig Sep 28 00:51:47 http://gdgt.com/question/want-to-install-spotify-on-your-hp-touchpad-frs/ Sep 28 00:52:35 am tempted to take it apart and write a better one in enyo, but just dont have the spare time at the moment Sep 28 00:52:43 rwatkins: that's what I want to do as well Sep 28 00:52:45 when I have spare time Sep 28 00:53:38 rwatkins: mine'll be open source of course. feel free to contribute ;) Sep 28 00:53:45 heh Sep 28 00:54:01 or steal the work for yourself Sep 28 00:54:04 whatever you feel Sep 28 00:54:09 wow, got my pre3 yesterday OTA update today. what timing. Sep 28 00:55:48 dkirker! Sep 28 00:56:09 hi Tibfib ! Sep 28 00:56:20 howdyyyy, how's everything in hp land? Sep 28 00:56:27 busy! Sep 28 00:56:58 as always :) Sep 28 01:02:21 Tibfib: any ideas how to make a multi-line TextField scroll? Sep 28 01:02:34 whatcha mean? Sep 28 01:03:16 I can write text in my TextField and it "scrolls" and goes down while I'm writing, but I cannot go back up to see what I wrote before Sep 28 01:03:46 ah ha! Sep 28 01:04:31 enyo maps turns off UI scaling completely. My guess thats why its fast and other enyo apps are .. slow. Sep 28 01:05:04 on 2.2 Sep 28 01:06:03 probably Sep 28 01:06:28 rwatkins, on 2.2.3? Sep 28 01:06:48 2.2.0 at the moment, 2.2.3 currenly unpacking Sep 28 01:07:14 but maps app is an "external" one anyway - updated outside OS releases. Sep 28 01:07:21 ah, making a meta-doctor? Sep 28 01:07:22 like TP app catalog, etc. Sep 28 01:07:26 yeah. i noticed that Sep 28 01:07:32 im currently logging into my att nav Sep 28 01:07:40 rwatkins, u have a sprint device still? Sep 28 01:07:47 no, trying to figure out how Palms Enyo app on the Pre3 is fast and the others .. suck. Sep 28 01:08:03 they optimize theirs? Sep 28 01:08:08 ... Sep 28 01:08:32 I have an old CDMA Pre- but nolonger have a Sprint accnt. Sep 28 01:08:45 ah Sep 28 01:09:02 u was going to ask if u could check something for me. i need another sprint activated device though. Sep 28 01:09:04 and a pre3 Sep 28 01:09:23 no, now have two deactivated devices - Pre- and Pre2 Sep 28 01:09:38 3 pres - 1, 2, and 3. And 3 Touchpads. Sep 28 01:10:22 i have 4 pre -, 1 pre+, 2 pre2, 1 pre3, and 4 touchpad Sep 28 01:10:41 but no reasonable PC to develop from? Sep 28 01:10:52 lol Sep 28 01:10:57 im getting a MacBook Pro Sep 28 01:10:58 or you just max out the developer loaner program? Sep 28 01:11:22 and i only bought 1 touchpad, parents bought the rest for them and my brother bought one Sep 28 01:11:41 and the reason i have 2 pre2's is because of a warranty. i was told to keep the faulty one Sep 28 01:11:53 lolz Sep 28 01:11:55 enyo maps on pre3 - depends.js 96 lines! jesus Sep 28 01:12:24 wow Sep 28 01:13:18 always a good sign when 6+ of them are a variation of "EnyoOverrides" hm. Sep 28 01:13:31 ouch. Sep 28 01:13:49 ya, taking this one apart not gonna be pretty Sep 28 01:19:35 and it looks like it was clearly written for both high rez pre3 devices and lower rez (non-1.5 scaled) devices like ... the pre2 *sniff* *sniff* Sep 28 01:21:51 whatcha doin to the map app rwatkins Sep 28 01:22:03 HE BE HACKING Sep 28 01:22:07 Taking it apart to figure out why its fast and .. mine is not. Sep 28 01:22:16 webos Sep 28 01:24:03 code archaeology - all kinds of stuff in here for things that never came to be, or changed during the development process Sep 28 01:25:37 the big article on precentral with "I'll highlight your app, but its waaaaay slow" ... got to me. Sep 28 01:25:55 i got a mention on PC today, in the Voogle article. Sep 28 01:26:17 what's the base dir for apps on the device? Sep 28 01:26:20 "Third-party Enyo apps for the Pre3 in the App Catalog are a rare sight. In fact, there are only a handful, including Instapaper client Paper Mache and Google Voice app GVoice. Where Maps is smooth like butter, GVoice and Paper Mache struggle and stutter worse than a two-year-old original Sprint Pre. It’s especially frustrating in Paper Mache ..." Sep 28 01:26:34 rwatkins: saw that Sep 28 01:26:40 oh.. i didn't see that one Sep 28 01:26:42 os installed apps are in /usr/palm/applications Sep 28 01:26:52 others in /media/cryptofs/apps/... Sep 28 01:26:58 so i got two mentions on pc today Sep 28 01:27:41 on the plus side, got the Hero points from @Adora, so balances out I guess. Sep 28 01:28:13 hi Sep 28 01:28:25 rwatkins: those are what count Sep 28 01:29:17 i think they're good for app cat approval favors Sep 28 01:30:36 dang. bug fixing is annoying. Sep 28 01:30:47 bbl Sep 28 01:37:24 rwatkins: well should you happen across something, please let me know. My pre3 tester isn't around, but i'm going to ask him about the performance. Sep 28 01:39:26 will do Sep 28 01:56:46 if you feel like examining the gvoice layout for any similarities (there's probably nothing similar though), here's a basic list of it's stuff.. http://pastebin.com/NnbudcDT Sep 28 01:57:33 thx Sep 28 01:58:00 my best guess so far is something in scrollers in sliding views Sep 28 01:59:03 ugh Sep 28 01:59:20 indeed. scroller in pane outside the sliding view is fine. Sep 28 02:02:16 oh wonderful Sep 28 02:02:20 you have a device to test on? Sep 28 02:02:25 ya Sep 28 02:04:02 does this error make sense to anyone? http://pastebin.com/ubiTW2k8 Sep 28 02:06:17 so lets see if I can convert it atleast temporarily to a non-sliding pane/view setup n test. Sep 28 02:09:52 anyone know if it's a bad idea to boot up a pre- w/o a comm board? Sep 28 02:11:20 HattCzech, why would u? Sep 28 02:11:24 idk what would happen Sep 28 02:11:39 because for some reason the comm board i put on there has issues Sep 28 02:12:09 i can't charge the battery... even when it's plugged in... it just drains... just slower than when it's not plugged in Sep 28 02:12:18 wow... webos is complaining about a file that is the *exact* same Sep 28 02:12:42 umm.. #webos-internals would be a better place for that Sep 28 02:12:52 sorry.. idk Sep 28 02:13:28 true... i shall ask there Sep 28 02:14:25 i wish things worked easy.. wow.. Sep 28 02:14:37 trying to port skype to 2.1 is gonna be harder then i though :/ Sep 28 02:14:46 f--k me, its indeed the sliding pane/views Sep 28 02:16:46 the marquee component of the Enyo framework totally clobbers scrollers on 2.2. Sep 28 02:16:47 lovely Sep 28 02:19:57 * DougReeder waves hello Sep 28 02:20:06 hello Sep 28 02:20:11 sup Sep 28 02:21:17 hey DougReeder Sep 28 02:21:21 dkirker, hey! Sep 28 02:21:31 What obscure pont of programming or clever hack is our subject tonight? Sep 28 02:21:58 Skype on the Pre2 Sep 28 02:22:10 palm-log complains about a file that is exactly the same Sep 28 02:22:17 * DougReeder admits to be reading Don Quixote Sep 28 02:22:38 That's irksome Sep 28 02:22:52 DougReeder: in the original spanish? Sep 28 02:22:55 idk why it whining :P Sep 28 02:22:57 The meta-data is identical, too? Sep 28 02:23:07 like, name? yeah Sep 28 02:23:25 http://pastebin.com/ubiTW2k8 Sep 28 02:23:26 Habla no Espanol Sep 28 02:23:27 thats the log Sep 28 02:23:39 rwatkins-afk: my one user reports back "speed seems just fine" Sep 28 02:24:40 DougReeder: bah, lame Sep 28 02:25:43 What with all the programking languages to learn, I haven't had time for the natural ones. Sep 28 02:26:11 but it's so... you know, spanish Sep 28 02:28:29 I'm sure it spoke more to to early modern audiences where chivalaic tales were taken seriously. Sep 28 02:29:06 PatrickC is the account template readable and owned by the corect user? Sep 28 02:30:06 I was a spanish major, I spent a lot of time reading early modern literature Sep 28 02:30:23 and...? Sep 28 02:31:45 just sayin' Sep 28 02:31:53 it got awful after a while :) Sep 28 02:32:00 but some of it was interesting Sep 28 02:32:07 * DougReeder nods Sep 28 02:33:00 We just finished _Phineas Finn_, and I think London audiences must have had low standards for entertainment. Sep 28 02:35:35 DougReeder: how would I check? Sep 28 02:35:56 ls -l fromthe command line Sep 28 02:35:56 sorry, was doing something on the pre3 Sep 28 02:36:11 want an AT&T Pre3 so badly... Sep 28 02:36:19 what am I looking for? Sep 28 02:36:39 bnceo: have you talked to the guy in the PreCentral marketplace? Sep 28 02:36:40 Is SDLTerminal the only way to get a command line except over a USBmconnetion? Sep 28 02:36:46 ya. I have. Sep 28 02:36:58 kinda sucks cause I bought a UK Pre3 and spent a decent $$ on it Sep 28 02:37:05 so talking to some about trade and some $$ Sep 28 02:37:26 looking to see what I can sell fast and make some $$ Sep 28 02:37:47 DougReeder, openssh, dropbear, xterm Sep 28 02:37:58 Wish I could afford what people are asking for one Sep 28 02:38:13 DougReeder: Xecutah works on all webOS devices and all webOS versions Sep 28 02:38:48 Don't I need an X sever too for that? Sep 28 02:38:57 no Sep 28 02:39:01 oh, yes. Sep 28 02:39:12 but we got that too. Sep 28 02:39:14 but it happens automatically. no partitioning or doctoring needed Sep 28 02:39:19 .. for Xterm, taht is Sep 28 02:39:33 it's just a package, no big deal. Sep 28 02:39:45 there's a joke in there somewhere... Sep 28 02:40:00 lol Sep 28 02:40:14 yes, yes there is Sep 28 02:40:15 It's analogous to Save/Restore installing the Zip and UnZip packages Sep 28 02:40:21 OK, I haven't kept up on that. Sep 28 02:49:36 Wow, you guys have really streamlined it! Installing Xecutah was a breeze! Sep 28 02:50:11 Yeah, command-line! Sep 28 02:51:03 DougReeder: please go forth and dispel the misconceptions :) Sep 28 02:51:28 EricBlade: I it may depend on how much scrolling needs to be done in the sliding view Sep 28 02:52:09 i've heard some people say its fine, others say totally unusable. Sep 28 02:52:27 can I cut and paste between X and webOS yet? Sep 28 02:53:39 DougReeder: no Sep 28 02:53:58 hmm. he says he's getting a OTA update on his pre3 right now Sep 28 02:54:55 ya, got my OTA update earlier Sep 28 02:55:04 EricBlade: if its an AT&T pre3, I've heard that 2.2.3 is going OTA Sep 28 02:56:00 looks like it already has Sep 28 02:57:35 PatrickC, on my TouchPad, /usr/palm/public/accounts/com.palm.skype is a directory owned by root whichis readable and xecutable (searchable) by the group and everone, and writable only br root Sep 28 02:58:50 lemme look on the pre3 Sep 28 02:59:01 i'm sending large quantities of samuel l jackson quotes to my test account to have a look Sep 28 02:59:25 PatrickC it contains 2 files: com.palm.skype.json which is readable Bluetooth everone and writable only by root **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 28 02:59:56 2011