**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 28 02:59:56 2011 Sep 28 03:00:18 DougReeder: there is no /usr/palm/accounts/com.palm.skype on the pre3 Sep 28 03:00:27 PatrickC ... and an images directory with the same perms as its parent Sep 28 03:01:08 PatrickC well, then, create it! Sep 28 03:01:26 lol Sep 28 03:01:32 I have skype working on the pre3 Sep 28 03:01:38 it doesn't work on the pre2 Sep 28 03:04:37 Is there a com.palm.skype directory anywhere on the Pre3? Sep 28 03:05:43 not sure Sep 28 03:05:51 lemme check Sep 28 03:07:13 Hmmm, there seems to be localized account dirs inside the app - taht's odd. Sep 28 03:07:40 wirc has something in the jailer that has com.palm.skype Sep 28 03:07:44 still searching Sep 28 03:07:53 concise definition of chrome: [] vs components: []?, anyone? Sep 28 03:08:21 Ignore the jailer dirs Sep 28 03:08:32 jaf0: yo! Sep 28 03:08:47 that seems to be the only things so far Sep 28 03:10:26 ok. now in /var/cache Sep 28 03:11:21 /usr/share/dbus-1 Sep 28 03:11:32 and /use/share/ls2 had things Sep 28 03:11:46 this is gonna end badly Sep 28 03:12:07 ignore the cache and ls2 dirs Sep 28 03:12:34 halfhalo: why? Sep 28 03:12:48 because it always does Sep 28 03:13:10 /media/cryptofs/...../com.palm.skype Sep 28 03:13:26 * ka6sox sells popcorn and places bets. Sep 28 03:13:50 and /etc/palm/db /etc/palm/activities /etc/palm/tempdb Sep 28 03:15:00 I need to spend some time with the skypes again Sep 28 03:15:45 DougReeder: http://pastebin.com/HCTdYUHP there's the entire output (minus the jailer/ls2/dbus) Sep 28 03:16:02 I gotta try skype on mt TouchPad some time Sep 28 03:21:06 The usr/palm directories inside /media/cryptofs look wrong Sep 28 03:21:23 that's a direct copy/paste Sep 28 03:22:11 Oh, Skype for Pre3 is downloaded from the App Cat, right? Sep 28 03:22:39 yep Sep 28 03:22:47 there was stuff that looked like enough skype bits in the UK pre3 doctor Sep 28 03:25:40 Can the XTerm display be scroled? Sep 28 03:27:17 brb reboot Sep 28 03:28:01 rwatkins: my user described it as "totally fast" even after i spammed the thing with a couple dozen super long Sam Jackson quotes Sep 28 03:28:17 cool, guess you got lucky Sep 28 03:31:01 back Sep 28 03:31:24 lies Sep 28 03:36:14 rwatkins: well who knows where the fault lay. guy just send me a video fo it running because i was dubious as to his definition of "fast" and it looks really smooth except for the right-panel-slide-out Sep 28 03:36:39 the panels seem to usually slide out ok - for me its often the scroller inside the panels Sep 28 03:37:05 and I think toasters are fine - they're used by the Maps app as well. Sep 28 03:38:20 I'm guessing something about scrolling - maybe transforms in both sliding panes and scrollers just causes havoc in the older webkit in 2.2 Sep 28 03:42:14 PatrickC does the dir /medj Sep 28 03:43:55 PartickC does the dir /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/accounts/com.palm.skype exist on your Pre2? Sep 28 03:44:47 PatrickC does the dir /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/accounts/com.palm.skype exist on your Pre2? Sep 28 03:45:44 DougReeder: umm.. not sure.. Sep 28 03:45:54 give me link 10-15 min and I'll check :) Sep 28 03:46:37 It's past my bedtime, I may not be on Sep 28 03:47:32 that's fine. we can work on it tomorrow :) Sep 28 03:55:08 can I run any other X apps besides XTerm yet? Sep 28 03:55:22 Ubuntu Chroot Sep 28 03:55:31 and Debian Chroot Sep 28 03:57:33 * DougReeder nods Sep 28 03:59:16 rwatkins: do you have any idea if webview works on the pre3 ? Sep 28 03:59:19 * DougReeder waves goodnight Sep 28 03:59:44 night DougReeder Sep 28 03:59:48 and any app you run from the xterm or chroot =] Sep 28 03:59:52 EricBlade: I can test if rwatkins is afk Sep 28 04:00:19 I think they're fine. seen them work in mojo apps, and I assume bing maps uses one? Sep 28 04:02:10 i can't get mine to even show up in the right spot here, it's like 500 pixels off screen Sep 28 04:06:46 hm. i dont use webviews at all so not sure. Sep 28 04:09:16 PatrickC: care to make a quick app that has a webview, and see if it works? Sep 28 04:10:34 EricBlade: can't, sorry. Sep 28 04:10:43 not at a PC Sep 28 04:10:58 you offered to test though :P Sep 28 04:11:14 I can test an app that uses it :P Sep 28 04:12:49 * halfhalo wants his pre3 now Sep 28 04:13:27 not that i could even use it yet... but still Sep 28 04:13:40 ok well i just packaged up the webview test app in the samples folder, and it does not work on the emulator Sep 28 04:14:21 EricBlade: it might Work on 2.2.3 :) Sep 28 04:14:38 lies Sep 28 04:15:35 halfhalo: guy with gun gone? Sep 28 04:15:59 guy with gun was caught according to last email and phone message Sep 28 04:16:13 that's good Sep 28 04:16:29 PatrickC: check your emails Sep 28 04:16:36 got it Sep 28 04:17:14 I love your signature :P Sep 28 04:18:20 EricBlade: http://ompldr.org/vYWs4OQ Sep 28 04:18:22 mmmm...... unlocked vzw pre3.... Sep 28 04:18:46 PatrickC: dammit. same thing i get. Sep 28 04:18:53 :/ Sep 28 04:18:54 sorry Sep 28 04:19:00 because i can. :p Sep 28 04:19:16 wonder if there's some way i can rig up to the mojo web view Sep 28 04:21:11 rwatkins: the catalog down for you? Sep 28 04:21:19 nvm. finally worked Sep 28 04:21:44 brb reboot Sep 28 05:04:27 err Sep 28 05:04:47 pre 3 EUR says he wants to install webos 2.2.0 OTA Sep 28 05:14:16 are the download stats now trustworthy? Sep 28 05:15:17 not sure Sep 28 05:15:23 I think they are doing better Sep 28 05:15:36 haeffb: ping Sep 28 05:44:56 akanster: from what i understand, anything 2 days old or older should be good except possibly during the period when the charge system was "stuck" Sep 28 05:45:02 and that might be good now too Sep 28 05:45:28 thanks Sep 28 05:47:11 ooh just ran across this fun nugget ... "Moving forward, working with Enyo represents an enormous opportunity. HP intends to expand webOS to printers, PCs and beyond – tens of millions of devices every year, beyond smartphones and tablets." .. Sep 28 05:47:20 i guess they've guaranteed the last part of that huh Sep 28 05:47:53 lol Sep 28 05:48:42 lol Sep 28 05:51:48 Rawr Sep 28 05:51:49 hi EricBlade Sep 28 05:51:58 hi Sep 28 05:52:28 greetings Sep 28 05:52:30 oye pat Sep 28 05:52:32 PatrickC: Sep 28 05:52:45 hey eighthree Sep 28 05:52:51 hey seretogis Sep 28 05:52:56 I finally got Aptana installed/configured properly so that I can start churning out the webOS fart apps. Sep 28 05:53:05 \o/ Sep 28 05:53:06 YAY! Sep 28 05:53:13 riskish made one.. Sep 28 05:53:16 it spins! \o/ Sep 28 05:53:17 we don't have enough of those :P Sep 28 05:53:24 we need some good gun apps Sep 28 05:53:26 yeah I figure 180,000 more and we'll be gun Sep 28 05:53:28 its actually not bad looking ^-^ Sep 28 05:53:29 good* Sep 28 05:53:37 riskish2: get on it! :P Sep 28 05:53:41 EricBlade, sad stuff Sep 28 05:53:45 riskish* Sep 28 05:53:51 hey Jack87! Sep 28 05:55:49 dude.. every time the pre3 vibrates it scares me :P Sep 28 05:56:12 rwatkins: ping Sep 28 05:56:19 pong Sep 28 05:56:55 PatrickC: ping Sep 28 05:56:57 on your pre3, does your messaging history randomly get deleted? Sep 28 05:57:06 seretogis: pong Sep 28 05:57:16 dont know, only had 2 texts to messaging Sep 28 05:57:20 ah Sep 28 05:57:25 PatrickC, hello Sep 28 05:57:34 I use google talk all the time. so was just wondering Sep 28 05:57:40 Jack87: how goes things? Sep 28 05:57:51 not bad thanks Sep 28 05:58:01 that's good Sep 28 05:58:07 and likely not - the two today are still there and it restored my history of them from months bach Sep 28 05:58:10 back Sep 28 05:58:40 yeah, mine shows it restored in threaded view. but once I enter a conversation, its empty Sep 28 05:59:13 nope, not here Sep 28 06:00:05 weird.. thanks Sep 28 06:00:51 * PatrickC needs to look into mediacapture API Sep 28 06:02:41 i'm waiting for it to be approved, submitted it yesterday Sep 28 06:03:20 going to try to make something more useful next. and use enyo. Sep 28 06:03:58 i think there are only 2 touchpad fart apps by the way, 3 including mine, and i talked to someone who's releasing their webos one for touchpad in a few weeks. Sep 28 06:04:09 lol Sep 28 06:05:24 lol Sep 28 06:05:50 YAY! Sep 28 06:05:55 more apps the better Sep 28 06:06:17 can never have enough fart apps. Sep 28 06:07:35 nope Sep 28 06:07:45 you can, however, have too few gun apps Sep 28 06:07:46 :) Sep 28 06:07:56 what's a gun app? Sep 28 06:08:08 lol Sep 28 06:09:42 hmm. apparently the splashtop streamer already has the ability to be used as a secondary monitor .. now to figure out a way to hack it to allow us .. :D Sep 28 06:11:15 lol Sep 28 06:17:35 hmm. if i had a wireless mouse, i could really make use of that with the splashtop Sep 28 06:17:48 EricBlade: YES! Sep 28 06:17:56 i played tf2 with that combo Sep 28 06:17:56 :D Sep 28 06:18:05 that sounds a bit painful Sep 28 06:18:12 that explains why you never healed me Sep 28 06:44:46 bo ya! Sep 28 06:45:10 fixed it - apparently in webOS 2.x applyStyle and setStyle are *dog* slow. Sep 28 06:45:29 so you dont wanna do that 'onscroll' of a Scroller. Sep 28 06:50:27 hmm. not having the account required to use paper mache i haven't checked it out. what do you do onscroll ? Sep 28 06:50:50 and that doesn't change that the reviewer said gvoice was slow as hell too. do you have gvoice? Sep 28 06:52:34 hmm. other interesting uses for splashtop, i can play poker on my touchpad, using my media server instead of my desktop Sep 28 06:52:36 i do not have gvoice. :) Sep 28 06:52:50 I create a progress/scrollbar - it moves onscroll Sep 28 06:53:06 or atleast will on the TP, but not on the Pre3 now. Sep 28 06:53:47 if i could figure out a way to get two instances of splashtop to run on different ports, i could use the iPod "splashtop touchpad" which is a virtual mouse, to control the mouse pointer Sep 28 06:54:12 ok - squashed the big bug atleast. a few more minor 2.2 ones to fix, but now .. sleep. Sep 28 06:54:29 i could install synergy+ onto the desktop and the server, and then it -almost- becomes a fourth monitor Sep 28 06:57:13 EricBlade, splashtop pdk app right? much like xserver Sep 28 06:58:02 xserver runs in two instances... so see if you can find out whats going on there (i think the beta/alpha releases do not so much for the ones in normal webos-internals feeds) Sep 28 06:59:24 EricBlade, or you can ask dtzWill what he did with quake back in the day. that ran in multiple instances (he has disabled that now but it was great show of proof of concept on original palm pre) Sep 28 07:01:10 Jack87: i meant on the server side, but the client side would be nice too Sep 28 07:01:32 ah right makes sense why you wanted multiple ports Sep 28 07:01:57 hum.. but........i think you can already connect multiple clients to the server Sep 28 07:02:06 doesn't appear to be Sep 28 07:02:26 i dunno thats just what I assumed when I read through their site. seemed like it implied with with all their different apps Sep 28 07:36:24 AHA! it works! Sep 28 07:36:39 splashtop installed on both computers, synergy installed on both computers Sep 28 07:36:51 whats synergy Sep 28 07:37:07 synergy lets you roll your mouse off the edge of one computer's desktop and onto another's Sep 28 07:37:41 oohh Sep 28 07:37:42 so i run splashtop remote to connect to one computer, and splashtop touchpad to connect to the synergy server Sep 28 07:38:05 then i can sort of use my ipod as the mouse for my remote session Sep 28 07:45:17 hi, please is any way to access images folder from scene html template ? Sep 28 07:45:46 ../images/folder-fo.png or images/folder-fo.png was not working Sep 28 09:14:20 ok using a mouse with splashtop kinda sucks, it's not built for it Sep 28 09:14:28 it doesn't handle the mouse pointer smoothly at all Sep 28 09:17:43 the latency involved with the mouse movement going to splashtop is terrible Sep 28 13:49:12 anyone knows if there is a way to decide the order of trusted wifi network to connect to ? i.e. I'd like my home network to have priority over any other network in the area Sep 28 13:50:00 Famic: excellent question... and i don't know the answer... but if you find out, let me know Sep 28 13:50:32 I believe someone should write a patch/app about that ;) Sep 28 13:59:19 is there any way to get promo'd apps without a credit card? Sep 28 14:56:41 omnomnom Sep 28 15:03:15 this is a stupid question, but how do I get my pre to make notification noises when it's charging and I have headphones in Sep 28 15:03:37 or really just when I have headphones in Sep 28 15:29:49 no idea summatusmentis. I don't use headphones with my webos devices Sep 28 15:30:44 * halfhalo pets his zune Sep 28 15:31:56 "instead I prefer to tie myself entirely to a windows environment for music" Sep 28 15:32:00 :-P Sep 28 15:32:23 If someone tries to take my zune away from me they would never be found. Sep 28 15:35:27 so why webOS over wp7? Sep 28 15:36:23 i multitask way to much plus like doing devel for webos. wp7 is nice to visit for a day or so, then i always go back to webos. Sep 28 15:36:34 yeh Sep 28 15:36:41 I played with wp7 for a bit Sep 28 15:36:54 seemed nice enough, but webOS spoiled me Sep 28 16:03:42 let the firesale begin Sep 28 16:04:45 Yeah, page got slow of a second there Sep 28 16:05:26 it's horribly slow Sep 28 16:06:18 wait, more TP sales? Sep 28 16:06:36 for hp employees :P Sep 28 16:06:44 ah Sep 28 16:06:52 meh Sep 28 16:06:53 but I can't even login....site is slower than slow Sep 28 16:07:53 Wondering if I should get a keyboard for my tp Sep 28 16:08:04 yes Sep 28 16:08:06 you should Sep 28 16:08:08 I love mine Sep 28 16:19:01 funny thing is Sep 28 16:19:13 they do enterprise hardware Sep 28 16:19:41 hi wrea any updates on your veer? Sep 28 16:20:43 does anyone know what i was going to ask here? ;^) Sep 28 16:22:12 ajay: no XD Sep 28 16:22:26 oo, i wonder if metadoctor.. hah! it's already been updated for 2.2.3, brilliant! (not that that's useful to me, it's just cool :) Sep 28 16:23:05 eighthree, I wish Sep 28 16:23:28 They just need to trade it out for an att pre3 and i wont be mad about it anymore Sep 28 16:24:08 does the pre3 come w/ T2S? Sep 28 16:24:13 because I want that on my veer Sep 28 16:24:15 of course Sep 28 16:24:24 tap2shared in the doctor Sep 28 16:24:44 well, not "of course", the veer was supposed to have it Sep 28 16:26:14 summatusmentis: oh sorry, i don't know why i said of course.. (what is the origin of that phrase anyways?!) i guess i just said that since i've heard so many people saying it does, i think i heard in here Sep 28 16:26:28 does the veer have the coil? Sep 28 16:26:34 it's supposed to? Sep 28 16:26:46 I guess I don't actually know Sep 28 16:26:59 but they were originally marketing both the veer and the pre3 as having T2S Sep 28 16:31:03 veer has the coil, take a look at the breakdown of the veer hardware Sep 28 16:31:08 wrea: you have a defective eu pre3 and looking for an att? Sep 28 16:32:13 no, im just saying they need to replace my veer for one, for all the problems theyve given me :P Sep 28 16:32:31 haha Sep 28 16:32:49 http://www.precentral.net/opening-little-veer-reveals-little-parts-modular-replaceable-battery Sep 28 16:33:13 in the first image, you see two strings coming from the back cover. one is for charging the battery, the other is for touch to share Sep 28 16:33:22 strings/ribbons Sep 28 16:34:14 so we just need the software on the veer Sep 28 16:34:29 presumably 2.2 Sep 28 16:34:38 but no one has found a doctor for that yet right? Sep 28 16:35:24 right, but it's possible Sep 28 16:35:30 hrm Sep 28 16:35:40 i'm sure if someone was ambitious they could rig something themselves Sep 28 16:35:48 I'm not sure of that Sep 28 16:36:04 it's hypothetical* Sep 28 16:36:14 the required software might be a binary built specifically for the arch of the phone Sep 28 16:36:21 yeah true. Sep 28 16:36:57 ajay, mine still says they're waiting for my device Sep 28 16:37:02 i mean, it's all armv7 right? Sep 28 16:37:03 * fxspec06 won a pre 2 Sep 28 16:37:03 wrea: burn Sep 28 16:37:09 * fxspec06 even though he already has a pre 2 Sep 28 16:37:15 * ajay 's pre2 is having phantom headset problems like CRAZY Sep 28 16:37:20 =O Sep 28 16:37:28 ajay: ajay could be more specific than that, I don'tk now Sep 28 16:37:31 i'm on bluetooth, and it went into (not-plugged in) wired headset just now! GAHH!! Sep 28 16:37:31 don't know* Sep 28 16:37:38 ajay, yeah, apparently they dont like updating the status Sep 28 16:37:51 summatusmentis: there's only one way to fin dout! Sep 28 16:38:24 ajay -- 3.5mm jack problems i have narrowed down to patches, i halfway think it may be the vzw advanced system menus patch. but i haven't expirimented at all Sep 28 16:38:28 ajay: I don't have a pre3 Sep 28 16:38:48 wrea: ouch.. so good, now i don't feel like i have to check my status :) Sep 28 16:38:53 summatusmentis: you don't need one Sep 28 16:39:14 sumat: just like you don't need a European Pre+ to get webOS2 on your US Pre+ Sep 28 16:39:20 ajay, have you tried yet? I want to know if its an across the board thing, or they just hate me Sep 28 16:39:36 wrea: no, but guess i can.. ;^) Sep 28 16:39:46 damnit this pre3 is a PoS, i hope i can exchange it Sep 28 16:41:09 * ajay has been dealing with vz customer service for hours upon hours, kinda over CS even before started ;^) Sep 28 16:41:21 fxspec06: From PreCentral? Sep 28 16:42:13 nope, from webos world. me and the developer of the sports live HD app won the villo contest Sep 28 16:42:25 the developer and i **** god my english is awful Sep 28 16:43:58 :) Sep 28 16:45:20 more solutions apps. he's a boston fan, too =D Sep 28 16:57:02 anyone know if there add ctrl codes(via þ method on virtual keyboard) for the arrow keys? I need to navigate a setup screen on detain Christ install and don't have my BT keyboard with me Sep 28 16:57:36 debian Chroot (bah, auto correct) Sep 28 16:57:40 i want to know how to disable the damned caps lock.. or .. ooh! turn it into a control! Sep 28 16:57:51 just like on unix Sep 28 17:04:00 oh a doctor! praise the lords! Sep 28 17:05:08 wow, palm.com/ROM does some crazy procedure to download doctors, hrmm... Sep 28 17:10:51 ok JS experts Sep 28 17:10:57 i have a question for you all Sep 28 17:11:11 lets say i have var z = 9 Sep 28 17:11:20 is there a way to get this to work Sep 28 17:11:32 {z:'a'} Sep 28 17:11:34 such that Sep 28 17:11:46 it would turn into {9:'a'} Sep 28 17:12:13 doh i think i hit cancel on that doctor download :( Sep 28 17:12:34 foo[z] Sep 28 17:12:35 what's the rule on links to doctor downloads, if you can get one, the palm link is public? Sep 28 17:13:01 rwatkins-afk: sorry, im trying to do this in an enyo components: [] section Sep 28 17:13:51 not sure i fully understand, but ... Sep 28 17:14:04 im defining a kind Sep 28 17:14:06 var z = 9 ; foo = { z: 'a' }; Sep 28 17:14:14 PuffTheMagic: obj = {}; obj[z] = 9 Sep 28 17:14:26 then foo[z] = foo.z; Sep 28 17:14:39 no no no Sep 28 17:14:45 i know i can do it like that Sep 28 17:14:53 thats not what im asking Sep 28 17:14:54 {kind: 'vkbKey', ontouchstart: 'btnClick', symbols: {wTerm.vkb.regular}: '`'}}, Sep 28 17:15:02 trying to do something like that Sep 28 17:15:20 but i think i cant Sep 28 17:15:30 i prob need to do this all in initComponents() Sep 28 17:15:44 PuffTheMagic: you can't do it with pure literals Sep 28 17:16:09 but you can define your symbols object first and then in the literal symbols:symbols Sep 28 17:16:48 right which would require i used createComponent in initComponents() instead of using components: [] Sep 28 17:17:08 or call it before your kind is initialized Sep 28 17:22:02 creationix: hey!! I don't remember ever seeing you here. hi! :) Sep 28 17:22:16 ajay: I'm here sometimes Sep 28 17:22:53 oh lawdylawdlawd Sep 28 17:23:51 I move between #node.js, #lua, #webos and #luvit Sep 28 17:31:12 PatrickC_Away .. where r u! ;^) Sep 28 17:31:18 has anyone else had trouble running the pre3 doctor? Sep 28 17:32:31 wat kinds of troubler Sep 28 18:06:24 see ya later guys! Sep 28 18:09:04 I might get to do a project for the Touchpad to illustrate mobile (sort of) development to students O_o Sep 28 18:09:23 It would be most fun. Sep 28 18:13:28 either my upstream is HORRIBLE or google music sucks and needs more downstream.. Sep 28 18:13:38 been uploading 5700~ songs over the past few days.. Sep 28 18:13:45 only up to 4213 as of right now Sep 28 18:13:50 Could be both Sep 28 18:13:54 its been atleast 4-5 days Sep 28 18:14:46 it takes some time Sep 28 18:15:00 Though in all likelihood, it's your upstream that's the limit/problem Sep 28 18:15:11 is there an app for google music already? Sep 28 18:15:28 dawm_: it was uploading at full speed for me Sep 28 18:16:05 last time I checked there was only one which hid the navigation bar Sep 28 18:43:56 * EricBlade boggles at Just Type and it's documentation Sep 28 18:44:41 I think Just Type on the touchpad should rename itself to something else if there's no BT keyboard attached to it Sep 28 18:45:15 the scrolling in the JT page is ridiculously slow considering it hardly contains anything Sep 28 18:46:37 i'm trying to get some basic jt integration going here, and i'm just not figuring it out, none of the documented examples work, nor does the example in the enyo dev kit Sep 28 18:47:00 i'm getting a message posted to the window, but i can't figure out how to access it's data Sep 28 18:59:08 dwc-, mine says "make it so" Sep 28 19:54:13 woo, i got it . . . sort of. i don't imagine anyone knows if there's any way to register yourself as something that can take a contact information from just type? Sep 28 20:02:17 finished my winter wheels Sep 28 20:02:17 http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/297167_2291454559692_1048858191_2706867_2065188697_n.jpg Sep 28 20:14:28 dawm_: no pink? Sep 28 20:14:49 nah decided on orange after looking at the paint in the store Sep 28 20:15:00 it was either orange or green Sep 28 20:15:04 orange looks the best Sep 28 20:15:23 http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/293654_2256695330733_1048858191_2677947_1734986286_n.jpg Sep 28 20:15:29 staged next to the car (not installed) Sep 28 20:16:14 why no lime green? Sep 28 20:16:17 lime green is like Sep 28 20:16:25 the awesomest color on the earth Sep 28 20:16:56 If you're puking piscacio ice cream Sep 28 20:31:29 anyone else hacking Enyo on 2.2? Sep 28 20:31:30 man we can't even buy TPs internally Sep 28 20:32:02 seeing some serious performance issues on teh device but not the emulator. Sep 28 20:33:03 so anyone getting a kindle fire? Sep 28 20:33:30 possibly, but not today. Sep 28 20:33:43 I think I'll probably get one Sep 28 20:34:02 but yeah, not today Sep 28 20:34:40 i like how Marco @ Instapaperis all "yea Kindle!" but "Boo, Kindle Fire!" Sep 28 20:34:59 because clearly he doesnt wanna write java for Android. Sep 28 20:35:10 because java Sep 28 20:35:18 hmmm actually I might pre-order one today to make sure I get one Sep 28 20:36:21 its clearly a guy that just only wants to program in iOS. But thats not what he says. Sep 28 20:36:37 it's really smooth Sep 28 20:41:59 so my air gets here today Sep 28 20:42:08 pumped Sep 28 20:42:59 yes, that is the function of Air... to "pump" things up [Bill Cosby "Why is there Air?"] Sep 28 20:44:31 hemna: I thought that was this morning? Sep 28 20:44:35 lol: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/kindle/otter/dp/KO-aag-durable._V166939192_.jpg Sep 28 20:44:48 why would you use that as a marketing image? Sep 28 20:44:49 keys? Sep 28 20:45:25 I mean I guess if you want to prove your point: "Our state-of-the art Kindle Fire display is chemically strengthened to be 20 times stiffer and 30 times harder than plastic, making it extra durable and resistant to accidental bumps and scrapes." Sep 28 20:46:01 So is it made of plastic or glass? Lol Sep 28 20:47:43 it's still ongoing Sep 28 21:05:32 hmmm scrolling in splash top is difficult Sep 28 21:10:05 Anyone here using a sprint pre 2 Sep 28 21:10:14 stiffer and harder? so it's more likely to shatter..got it Sep 28 21:11:00 and yeah the warranty department is going to want to kill marketing for that image Sep 28 21:16:44 mwahahaha! air is here Sep 28 21:18:03 hm. no Georgia font on webOS 2.2 Sep 28 21:29:36 chuqui: where is the g+ webOS crowd? Sep 28 21:29:41 and how i join? Sep 28 21:31:56 lolol, I never noticed the Agenda Exhibition view says "Congratulations, your day looks free. Enjoy your time!" if you don't have anything else on your calendar Sep 28 21:32:08 I should change that to "YOU SHOULD BE DOING RESEARCH/TA STUFF" Sep 28 21:32:45 circle me at https://plus.google.com/112936421552665063153/posts and send me a note on webOS, and I'll send it back out to my list so they know to tie you in Sep 28 21:38:06 just found a "send email" button Sep 28 21:40:43 I wonder if you could use a spark tag to find people Sep 28 21:41:36 or a wiki page, etc Sep 28 21:45:50 or shall i post it into the stream..? Sep 28 21:46:03 of the circle Sep 28 21:50:57 hey fellas Sep 28 21:52:13 hi Sep 28 21:53:17 hrmmm what was that mac app that made it so apps actually maximized? Sep 28 21:54:20 NOOOOOO Sep 28 21:54:25 DONT GIVE IN TO THE LION SIDE!!!! Sep 28 21:54:33 hmm? Sep 28 21:54:41 I don't want full screen Sep 28 21:55:15 just actually maximized apps Sep 28 21:55:30 Xuzz: ping Sep 28 21:56:14 oh wait. just kidding that's not what I want I think Sep 28 21:58:40 RightZoom ftw Sep 28 22:16:45 Hm, what to do for a project for the Touchpad that would benefit CS students... Sep 28 22:32:40 CS students? Sep 28 22:32:41 CS? Sep 28 22:32:44