**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 01 02:59:56 2011 Oct 01 03:28:14 re: Pivot. do they really expect us to be rotating the touchpad different ways to see that they are capable of putting different background pictures into a scene based on orientation? Oct 01 03:29:28 I haz a question Oct 01 03:29:31 anybody around? Oct 01 03:29:37 no Oct 01 03:29:40 Haha Oct 01 03:29:40 but ask anyway Oct 01 03:29:42 EricBlade: its nice that they do, but silly that they call it out Oct 01 03:29:54 Is there like an onComponentsReady event? Oct 01 03:30:14 I need to do something when the compnents are ready, and onload is not available to me. Oct 01 03:30:21 And create is too early. Oct 01 03:30:27 'ready' Oct 01 03:30:43 well named, eh? Oct 01 03:31:33 :D Oct 01 03:32:40 WOAH NOW Oct 01 03:32:41 WOAH Oct 01 03:33:08 RAGE COMES OUT NEXT WEEK Oct 01 03:33:46 I canceled my preorder because of the bethesda/mojang nonsense Oct 01 03:34:02 * halfhalo sides with bethesda Oct 01 03:34:16 'scrolls' does not make me think of skyrim at all Oct 01 03:35:11 pretty sure it was more over Elder Scrolls and fantasy themes, not so much uh… Skyrim Oct 01 03:35:33 either way, Mojang is run like a bunch of blind idiots bumbling around in the dark with no idea what they're doing, so hardly worth siding with them XD Oct 01 03:36:23 sounds like HP, they should team up. Oct 01 03:36:35 hmm. nothing new that i'm interested in in either the catalog or preware today. now i'm bored. Oct 01 03:36:48 I smell Minecraft preinstalled on HP printers Oct 01 03:37:27 *Hypes up 1.8 update* *Puts the team all working on something else, leaving one guy to work on the 1.8 update basically* *Wonders why people complain about it* Oct 01 03:40:58 http://thinkwithportals.com/blog.php?id=6409&p=1 Oct 01 03:44:55 isn't the "beta catalog" supposed to be sort of private? Oct 01 03:46:19 private how? Oct 01 03:46:27 EricBlade: Depends? You have the option of having your beta feed app included in the RSS feeds or not Oct 01 03:46:42 i thought it was "whoever has the link only" Oct 01 03:46:49 which RSS feeds would that be? Oct 01 03:47:03 That's what you get if you don't publish it to the beta feed. Oct 01 03:47:18 I dunno. At least that's how it used to be! I think they might have killed the RSS feeds. Oct 01 03:47:26 there's a section for the rss feeds, but there's a note that's been there since i got here, that they were offline while being reworked Oct 01 03:47:48 so, uh, why is the "beta feed" indexed by google? Oct 01 03:47:58 or at least some apps are Oct 01 03:48:00 they killed them in preparation for the 3.0 catalog Oct 01 03:49:44 my apps indexed because I have a link to it from a public page. public beta Oct 01 03:50:20 http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/beta.html Oct 01 06:04:34 on the topic that i was talking about about 12 hours ago, it seems that pulseaudio has resumed sucking down about 20% CPU time Oct 01 06:04:49 so my change didn't do anything likely Oct 01 06:44:23 * eighthree stomps Oct 01 06:45:21 hi eighthree Oct 01 06:45:28 hey wrea :D sup Oct 01 06:45:57 Not much. Having problems with my kismet package Oct 01 06:47:06 Can't find a library, but its installed Oct 01 07:00:19 is it a link-time dependency or is it loaded during runtime? if the former, does ldd resolve it properly? Oct 01 07:40:10 Goody goody, got my maths library ported to C Oct 01 15:13:29 Hi Oct 01 15:13:31 touchpad help Oct 01 15:13:35 Mine just died Oct 01 15:13:40 #touchpad Oct 01 15:13:42 unplugged it from computer and I get a black screen Oct 01 15:13:50 #webOS won't boot Oct 01 15:38:26 siestacat: hit home and power together see if that does it Oct 01 15:48:48 is it possible to drag multiple elements at once with enyo? Oct 01 17:05:37 Caleb Oct 01 17:05:40 I already did that Oct 01 19:05:53 any way to video chat on a pixi? Oct 01 19:10:30 Let's go with no. Oct 01 19:11:23 alright Oct 01 19:11:26 NuttyBunny here? Oct 01 19:11:40 and was that API ever corrected for the use of the Pixi's LED? Oct 01 19:11:47 the rear facing flash, I mean Oct 01 19:28:05 My HP SMB 16GB just shipped! Oct 01 19:45:49 smb? Oct 01 19:47:37 small biz Oct 01 20:15:28 hello, webos gurus! Oct 01 20:16:21 hello? Oct 01 20:17:05 * EricBlade looks around Oct 01 20:17:22 i think the gurus are all asleep, you'll just have to settle for me Oct 01 20:17:44 ok then Oct 01 20:17:53 maybe you can help) Oct 01 20:18:18 I have a question about scenes pushing/poping Oct 01 20:18:52 hmm. that sounds like a mojo question .. i'm not really qualified for that Oct 01 20:19:07 but if you ask, i'm sure if someone knows and sees it they'll answer Oct 01 20:19:24 anyway Oct 01 20:19:47 if you open Clock app it will have 2 modes - clock and alarm Oct 01 20:20:37 and if you touglt betwen them it will act not actually as scene switching Oct 01 20:22:55 hey! Oct 01 20:23:11 shhhh Oct 01 20:23:18 everybody sleeping) Oct 01 20:23:20 so i have a (seemingly trivial) q -- how do you turn a phone off when the power button doesn't respond? (w/o battery pull) Oct 01 20:23:41 hasnobrains1: how would you know? you don't have any brains! (get that a lot? I bet :) Oct 01 20:24:17 you'll see)) Oct 01 20:24:30 did you break your New Phone already? Oct 01 20:24:32 (&no it's not in dev mode nor was it going to be..) Oct 01 20:25:21 dwc-: oh man you have _no_ idea how many battery pulls i've done on that damned pre3! i can't believe they physically produced+boxed bugs with so many phones, i mean, unusable w/o a doctor? really??! Oct 01 20:25:45 switch around bugs and phones in that sentence :) Oct 01 20:26:19 My phone actually shipped this week Oct 01 20:27:29 dwc-: just trying to turn this veer off.. ok i gave it an opt-sym-r and then once rebooted i could power off. Putting that SIM card in there was tricky! (i was going to say first time ever putting a SIM in, but then remembered i had a sim-based phone when travelling once :) Oct 01 20:27:34 wrea: congrats! What is that, 3 wks? Oct 01 20:27:44 i should check my status.. i wonder if i saved the shipping #! Oct 01 20:27:54 Just about Oct 01 20:28:05 And not once did they ever update the status of it Oct 01 20:28:20 Nor could they give me the tracking number of the return shipment Oct 01 20:28:41 dwc-: did you see that comment on twitter? adora=webOS OD? heh Oct 01 20:28:52 never had to do a battery pull on any my phones (pre/pre2/pre3/veer) but I guess I am only lucky :) Oct 01 20:29:16 had one pre2 that was problematic as hell that needed the battery pull once in a while but gave it away Oct 01 20:29:39 sconix: wait why do those 2 comments seem to contradict.. ;^) Oct 01 20:29:56 well the first one was my daily use devices Oct 01 20:30:03 the problematic one was a dev phone :) Oct 01 20:30:29 ah.. 95-99% of my battery pulls are.. to change batteries. :) It's rare i'll need to do a battery pull, but yeah, it happens.. Oct 01 20:30:34 webOS OD? Oct 01 20:30:40 never seen a TMC error neither, nor needed to reboot my phone more than once in a month :) Oct 01 20:30:48 but I guess I am not that heavy user then :) Oct 01 20:31:12 no wait saw the TMS with one webOS version that had the browser leaking like hell Oct 01 20:31:12 I just had a TMC on the 2 this morning Oct 01 20:31:17 sconix: what?! ok so clearly you are not using webOS phones as daily use devices, that's all I can concur from all this. :) Oct 01 20:31:20 ofc didn't even have much open, but oh well Oct 01 20:31:25 dwc-: http://twitter.com/#!/Adora/status/120009462361763840 Oct 01 20:32:04 sconix: oh, i updated the Vz doctor link in the wiki btw, dunno if that changes anything for you (hope not!) Oct 01 20:32:06 ajay: well my daily use is pretty much only the stock apps and couple of my own apps :) so pretty much texting/email/calls/web is the only thing I need the phone for Oct 01 20:32:22 haha. nice. Oct 01 20:32:45 look at all the devices that managed to be screen-off for that shot Oct 01 20:32:51 err, i mean, they updated the doctor a day or two later.. (why? don't ask me! :) Oct 01 20:32:59 dwc-: oh, i didn't even think of that.. i don't even know if i'm in the shot! Oct 01 20:34:16 sconix: heh.. i still feel the need to reboot/restart the phone (or at least luna), almost on a daily basis. (Excluding the nightly shutdown) Oct 01 20:34:49 I have never get that but I would think that at least pdk apps might clutter the mem etc requiring that Oct 01 20:35:07 at least with the basic apps I don't notice any slow done in a weeks usafe Oct 01 20:35:09 that might be you behind the white touchpad Oct 01 20:35:13 usage event Oct 01 20:35:19 event=even Oct 01 20:35:24 maybe need to go to sleep :) Oct 01 20:38:30 dwc-: oh, and if you were curious i have this veer but no SIMs, so i stuck the Verizon SIM in it. :) Oct 01 20:38:35 dwc-: yeah i think i'm missing.. :( Oct 01 20:38:54 is it working? Oct 01 20:39:06 sconix: I thought javascript apps were what cluttered memory? (e.g. what jstop does) Oct 01 20:40:11 dwc-: i want to find some [extra] batteries before i switch.. sucks, I have a ton of (pre-pre3/veer) batteries as well as one of those cute little battery chargers, which i was really excited to pick up. but! now it's all garbage. gah Oct 01 20:40:12 I have heard something like that as well, but haven't seen the problem so :) Oct 01 20:46:05 and just remember kids, "Do unto otters, as otters do unto you" Oct 01 20:46:45 * ajay sometimes wishes there was a living infobot in this channel, that would greet regulars :) (like i used to see back in the old days!) Oct 01 20:48:26 Give them fish? ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ Oct 01 20:51:21 i dunno, nor do i know about those crazy characters at then end of your sentence :) Oct 01 20:52:03 UTF-8 otters mannnn. Oct 01 20:53:12 http://cl.ly/113p3a2v402O0n2o1r1e Oct 01 20:59:23 oo what the forums say the pre3 supports some "BlueTooth PAN" which allows device tethering over BT? What what! I wonder if it can do data+phone/sms simultaneously, or multiple BT devices. regardless, i assume BT is lower energy consumption than wifi Oct 01 21:00:31 what, skype is downloadable?! Holy crap, maybe i should have started reading the forums a long time ago, there's so much interesting info in there! Oct 01 21:00:53 lol Oct 01 21:01:30 Whoa, it is? D: Oct 01 21:01:50 And yeah you can do PAN on any of the devices with Freetether, but it only lets you do data out :< Oct 01 21:01:57 No replacing wifi with it I don't think Oct 01 21:02:28 SineOt: the talk in the forum sounds like the pre3 natively supports pan, i took that as no-need-of-freetether.. did i misinterpret? Oct 01 21:02:45 Although thinking about it… Pretty sure everything has done PAN Oct 01 21:03:03 I know my Pixi would bitch when I paired it with my desktop about needing a tethering agreement with Sprint Oct 01 21:03:09 which implies PAN Oct 01 21:04:21 wow it's true.. http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.skype Oct 01 21:05:18 http://ompldr.org/vYW00cw/wterm_2011-01-10_165933.png Oct 01 21:05:20 ^^ WOO Oct 01 21:05:48 yay Oct 01 21:06:48 Oh, requires 2.2. Boo. :< Oct 01 21:09:22 http://ompldr.org/vYW00dQ/wterm_2011-01-10_170538.png <- Color htop almost working properly :d Oct 01 21:17:15 very nice PuffTheMagic Oct 01 21:17:59 sineot: you're not vz right? Try to load it and lmk if it works! (impostah maybe? ipk fetcher?) Oct 01 21:18:42 PuffTheMagic: nice! Oct 01 21:19:14 Hey that reminds me -- there's no way to full-screen X right? nor switch orientations? Oct 01 21:19:57 sconix: I'm the anti-quoter btw, haven't gotten msgs from anyone interested yet, but hopin! Oct 01 21:24:03 ajay: I was aware of that you are him :) Oct 01 21:24:55 sconix: teehe :) thought i'd give you an update regardless :) Oct 01 21:25:35 "he is I and I am him, slim with the tilted brim, what's my...name!?" Oct 01 21:26:49 i hate filling out these satisfaction surveys.. the first palm support agent i chatted with was useless, his supervisor (somewhat) brilliant. who am i saying good or bad things about?! gah! Oct 01 21:35:51 damn there is such a delay from when google voice rings my gmail to when it rings my phone, no wonder i miss so many calls Oct 01 21:53:13 ajay, all the agents i talked to were useless Oct 01 21:53:28 ajay, worse customer service ive witnessed Oct 01 21:57:04 oh hey today (or yesterday) was the last day for free postcards w/ touchnote btw! Oct 01 21:57:24 wrea: par for course (w/ HP) :| Oct 01 21:58:07 I've had better service from hp than palm's Oct 01 21:58:20 wonder why they're pulling the app.. prolly hp pulled funding but not sure why they wouldn't sell postcards Oct 01 21:58:22 gtg Oct 01 22:21:15 what up Oct 01 22:21:38 Not much Oct 01 22:22:22 im using irssi in wTerm Oct 01 22:23:41 http://ompldr.org/vYW02cQ/wterm_2011-01-10_182017.png Oct 01 22:24:38 Sweet Oct 01 22:25:13 Nice keyboard too Oct 01 22:26:52 the layout of it is still in flux Oct 01 22:27:05 geeze, way to log in a million time Puff :P Oct 01 22:27:27 im an irssi noob :D Oct 01 22:27:34 i was just testing it out in wterm for sconix Oct 01 22:28:25 Still running into issues with kismet Oct 01 22:29:01 PuffTheMagic: Very nice! (Don't worry, I'm an irssi n00b too :P ) Oct 01 22:33:43 is wTerm new? Oct 01 22:47:52 that's a lot of puffs.... Oct 01 22:53:56 Yep Oct 01 22:53:59 Lulz Oct 01 23:22:19 hmm. against my better judgement, i bumped up to 1.5ghz. i don't see any difference. Oct 01 23:38:38 EricBlade: That smell? Don't worry, it's just the smell of win. Oct 01 23:42:16 Khaytsus: actually.. after clocking to 1.5, my touchpad is -significantly- slower than the identical one next to it at 1.2 Oct 01 23:43:33 at least in basic tests, such as "does my web browser start or display any faster", "does anything scroll any better", etc Oct 01 23:45:16 about the only difference i see positive, is that the launcher no longer screws up it's animations Oct 01 23:51:45 i do, however, notice a significant warm spot developing on my case though Oct 01 23:52:18 Has anyone ever had an issue with a list where you add a new array, and it shows blanks rows at the bottom, and when scrolled back up, will delete random rows and add old ones (from the previous array) back? Oct 01 23:53:35 i do notice that my restart animation actually animates, though, whereas with the stock kernel it did not Oct 01 23:57:03 i notice significant smoothness at 1.7 though. hmm. Oct 01 23:58:16 i can swipe things out of the email program without it feeling like i have to apply force to do it haha Oct 02 00:04:47 anyone have the .ipk for Skype? i have an unlocked att pre 3 and can't find it in the app store ;( Oct 02 00:10:24 no one? Oct 02 00:10:25 :/ Oct 02 00:10:30 is it geo-restricted? Oct 02 00:10:37 i guess.. Oct 02 00:10:40 :| Oct 02 00:10:43 * eighthree is in canada Oct 02 00:10:45 try impostah? Oct 02 00:11:05 even after i've set up the phone or Oct 02 00:11:28 yes... not for activation Oct 02 00:11:35 but under app catalog Oct 02 00:11:48 put in com.palm.app.skype Oct 02 00:12:53 not found :( Oct 02 00:13:44 ok, I dunno Oct 02 00:13:55 do i go under activation then change the stores or what :S Oct 02 00:14:18 or would there be a way to copy that from another pre3 Oct 02 00:17:16 I don't think so Oct 02 00:19:42 :/ Oct 02 00:31:33 * DougReeder waves hello Oct 02 00:32:18 hi DougReeder Oct 02 00:33:01 $900 for a vzw pre3 .............. Oct 02 00:33:13 damn Oct 02 00:33:26 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hp-Pre3-3G-Verizon-Global-Ready-Brand-New-Box-Very-Rare-HP-Pre-3-/190582735866?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2c5f9dc3fa Oct 02 00:33:31 dont tell me someone's really paying that ? Oct 02 00:33:58 there's no shortage of bidders on the one that closes in 6hrs... currently $790 Oct 02 00:34:13 Market price. Oct 02 00:34:43 I'm not sure I'd bid even if I had the money -- it's not clear to me that it's that much more useful to me than my Pre2. Oct 02 00:34:46 .. holy shit D: Oct 02 00:34:46 insane. I still haven't heard any confirmation or even rumors of non-palm-employees getting them activated Oct 02 00:34:56 I should've bought a pre3 which was around 150 euro :/ Oct 02 00:35:22 divStar: big difference though... thesea re the cdma/gsm combo ones Oct 02 00:35:45 well the pre3 I'd have bought could do umts (3g) Oct 02 00:35:48 what's cdma? Oct 02 00:36:08 technology incompatible with GSM/UMTS Oct 02 00:36:19 is it faster? Oct 02 00:36:22 variants of it are used in japan, and two of the carriers in the US Oct 02 00:36:24 (sprint, verizon) Oct 02 00:37:27 it is mostly comparable Oct 02 00:37:58 I see.. well I'd never buy a phone that expensive Oct 02 00:38:14 the max I've bought a phone at was 350 euro I think Oct 02 00:38:57 most I've ever paid is ... $55 ... including tax Oct 02 00:39:25 which is about 45 euro right now Oct 02 00:41:07 att pre3s (gsm only) seem to run about $250 on ebay Oct 02 00:41:21 +/- $50 Oct 02 00:51:31 dwc-, it worked, thanks. Only think wrong so far is I need a symlink added to the pcre ipk Oct 02 00:52:47 or not. Think I just need to add another dir Oct 02 00:54:18 Going to recompile and see Oct 02 00:56:55 not to start a religious war, but imo, there's absolutely no contest between cdma and whatever other systems are still being used, when talking about voice quality Oct 02 00:57:25 at least when dealing with US carriers Oct 02 01:02:07 wrea: woot! Oct 02 01:03:06 EricBlade: he didn't say anything about voice quality... he asked about speed, which is so YMMV on location and carrier that I glossed over it and said they were mostly comparable Oct 02 01:04:00 and my experience when we all moved to 3G back when I was still in the wireless business, was that the US GMS carriers didn't actually upgrade to 3G until about 3 years after they said they did Oct 02 01:04:48 or they did, but they had it throttled to just above 2G speeds. data speed on AT&T and T-Mobile was just absolutely terrible through the first generation of 3G equipment Oct 02 01:05:28 ive used every carrier and the cdma ones give me better performance in areas of weak signal Oct 02 01:11:06 well, given US 4g now .... Oct 02 01:11:30 "4g" Oct 02 01:13:07 hey all Oct 02 01:13:52 it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that AT&T and T-Mobile will not be able to ramp up their speeds to the same as Verizon and Sprint for quite some time Oct 02 01:14:01 if that is the case Oct 02 01:14:08 hey EricBlade Oct 02 01:14:47 if nothing else, one thing that always kept me with the cdma carriers even when everyone else was dirt cheap compared to them, is that CDMA towers all have backup power Oct 02 01:15:55 during the great North East US power failure back in 02 or 03, T-Mobile and ATT were down in Detroit within an hour Oct 02 01:26:09 somehow i'm learning haskell at the moment. Oct 02 01:26:19 * halfhalo wants pre3 vzw for use on att for kicks Oct 02 01:26:21 it's a very nice language. very powerful. Oct 02 01:30:29 What sort of a language is Haskell? Oct 02 01:30:35 functional Oct 02 01:30:52 with static types Oct 02 01:30:55 not OO? Oct 02 01:32:20 no, purely functional Oct 02 01:32:46 Are functions 1st class entities? Oct 02 01:33:57 wikipedia says yes. i am just stumbled over a very nice written beginner tutorial in german and it looks really good. Oct 02 01:34:17 Can you read technical German? Oct 02 01:34:18 reminds me of what i've seen on the coffeescript demo page Oct 02 01:34:44 define technical german? Oct 02 01:35:22 Well, can you read the article? Oct 02 01:36:04 i am native german speaker and i have an education in software development. i dont think i could read technical articles from CERN Oct 02 01:37:05 Well, domain knowledge is always needed. Oct 02 01:40:57 EricBlade: that was the day i got my first cellphone in the mail Oct 02 01:41:51 i was all excited to use it and then *bloom* Oct 02 02:34:21 * DougReeder waves hello **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 02 02:59:57 2011