**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 05 02:59:58 2011
Oct 05 03:00:05 <dwc-> $0 on contract even
Oct 05 03:00:17 <wrea> Yeah
Oct 05 03:00:23 <summatusmentis> quiet reversal?
Oct 05 03:00:29 <summatusmentis> why would they make it quiet?
Oct 05 03:00:29 <dwc-> nothing reversed, afaict
Oct 05 03:00:46 <dwc-> still out of stock on hp.com itself
Oct 05 03:00:57 <dawm_> shuffling full chests of minecraft items is a bitch
Oct 05 03:01:00 <summatusmentis> why wouldn't they be like "APOTHEKER IS CRAZY, WE'RE DOING HARDWARE AGAIN, AND THIS TIME BETTER THAN EVER"
Oct 05 03:01:05 <wrea> ywah, you're essentially getting it from bestbuy
Oct 05 03:01:09 <dwc-> still looks like normal pricing on bestbuy/bestbuy mobile/att
Oct 05 03:01:11 <wrea> yeah*
Oct 05 03:01:15 <dwc-> except at&t has been out of stock
Oct 05 03:01:16 <SineOt> summatusmentis: because they don't know what they're doing
Oct 05 03:01:25 <seretogis> don't get your hopes up :P
Oct 05 03:01:28 <summatusmentis> SineOt: then it wouldn't be a reversal would it?
Oct 05 03:01:33 <SineOt> I mean they were super quiet about raising the price on the second set of Touchpads
Oct 05 03:01:44 <dwc-> seretogis: if you want a veer, you might be able to get one for $55+shipping
Oct 05 03:01:48 <seretogis> SineOt: is it confirmed that anyone was able to buy any of those?
Oct 05 03:01:52 <dwc-> (off-contract)
Oct 05 03:01:54 <SineOt> ah, suppose so yeah. If they were reversing anything though I'm sure they'd test the waters first
Oct 05 03:02:01 <seretogis> dwc-: I have a veer sitting in my backpack as a backup phone but thanks :)
Oct 05 03:02:29 <SineOt> seretogis: given that twitter seems to be bitching a storm at BrynaAtHP over her not saying anything about them going up… Then I'm going to assume that some people, somewhere, were able to at least get orders confirmed
Oct 05 03:02:44 <dwc-> twitter is twitter
Oct 05 03:02:50 <dwc-> bitchers and moaners and whiners
Oct 05 03:03:01 <fxspec06> SineOt: the original touchpad release was also super-quiet IIRC
Oct 05 03:03:16 <SineOt> The July 17th one?
Oct 05 03:03:25 <SineOt> (That's the date… Right?)
Oct 05 03:03:51 <fxspec06> i guess. i mean, it was out on the 1st
Oct 05 03:03:54 <fxspec06> in NYC
Oct 05 03:04:08 <fxspec06> there was a party! a whole party. i wasn't invited but there was
Oct 05 03:04:47 <SineOt> oh
Oct 05 03:04:53 <rwatkins> in nyc - the party @ Best Buy?
Oct 05 03:04:54 <dwc-> 1st of something
Oct 05 03:04:57 <SineOt> well, HP had said previous that it was a "soft launch"
Oct 05 03:04:59 <dwc-> I went to a webos meetup
Oct 05 03:05:07 <dwc-> the palm people seemed pretty ... beat
Oct 05 03:05:08 <SineOt> which was dumb, but if they want to do that they can do that
Oct 05 03:05:28 <SineOt> but then like 2 weeks later is when they started the advertising blitz
Oct 05 03:05:34 <SineOt> which was anything but quiet
Oct 05 03:05:44 <seretogis> I feel awful for the webOS devs. I'm sure that if they had a choice they'd give us the moon ;p
Oct 05 03:05:49 <fxspec06> awh i love the palm people
Oct 05 03:05:56 <SineOt> watching an episode of late night TV would net you 2-3 Touchpad ads in the span of an hour
Oct 05 03:05:58 <fxspec06> i don't feel bad for the devs, i feel bad for the palm people
Oct 05 03:06:23 <seretogis> that's what I meant - the people developing webOS, not the app makers. those guys are dorks~ ;D
Oct 05 03:06:30 <fxspec06> oh yeah
Oct 05 03:06:31 <summatusmentis> I really, really want to see webOS phones again
Oct 05 03:06:32 <fxspec06> lol
Oct 05 03:06:39 <fxspec06> me too
Oct 05 03:06:40 <SineOt> I talked with one of the HP floor reps for the Touchpad and man, I felt so sorry for them :<
Oct 05 03:06:56 <summatusmentis> but as it stands, I'm gonna use my pre2/veer for a while
Oct 05 03:07:07 <summatusmentis> then probably iPhone unless something new and interesting comes out
Oct 05 03:07:09 <seretogis> summatusmentis: the Pre 3 is a nice upgrade, sort of, in some ways.
Oct 05 03:07:10 <fxspec06> my pre 2 is not being replaced by anything
Oct 05 03:07:26 <summatusmentis> seretogis: at this point, I don't consider the pre3 remotely viable
Oct 05 03:07:31 <SineOt> she was saying that they had hired a second batch of floor reps to cover other stores, and were going to start training them like 4 days -after- they announced the termination of hardware
Oct 05 03:07:32 <fxspec06> i thought about it and my mind still stands, iphone won't be replacing it
Oct 05 03:07:43 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: I want something supported
Oct 05 03:07:57 <SineOt> would really suck to sign on to a 2 year contract with HP to floor rep the stuff then 4 days before you start getting told you just got canned
Oct 05 03:08:00 <summatusmentis> and webos is is certainly not that
Oct 05 03:08:03 <seretogis> WP7?
Oct 05 03:08:08 <fxspec06> i do too, but you know, i went 4 years with a motorola e815
Oct 05 03:08:16 <summatusmentis> seretogis: I've thought about it
Oct 05 03:08:29 <fxspec06> google that phone, it was the best damn phone of its time. i used it til 2008
Oct 05 03:08:30 <seretogis> or Android - there is a HUGE Android dev community
Oct 05 03:08:42 <summatusmentis> yeah, but then you have to use android
Oct 05 03:08:43 <SineOt> the Android dev community is a mess though
Oct 05 03:09:07 <summatusmentis> the Android interface is a mess though
Oct 05 03:09:12 <summatusmentis> there, fixed that for you SineOt
Oct 05 03:09:35 <SineOt> oh god the multitasking is so bad :C
Oct 05 03:09:48 <fxspec06> what multitasking? android does that
Oct 05 03:10:00 <summatusmentis> multitasking is bad, menu systems are bad, UI consistency is bad
Oct 05 03:10:02 <fxspec06> the only OS that multitasks besides webos is BBOS
Oct 05 03:10:03 <summatusmentis> it's just not fun
Oct 05 03:10:12 <summatusmentis> android multitasks
Oct 05 03:10:22 <SineOt> if you -only- switch apps with a long press on home, it's okay
Oct 05 03:10:28 <summatusmentis> ios and wp7 selectively multitask
Oct 05 03:10:31 <SineOt> but the moment you touch the back button everything just flies out the window
Oct 05 03:10:37 <summatusmentis> SineOt: right?!?
Oct 05 03:11:31 <SineOt> nothing implements the back button in quite the same way
Oct 05 03:11:39 <seretogis> I'm hoping that the Ice Cream Sandwich / Nexus reveal on the 11th is mind-blowing. If not, I'll wait for Nokia's announcements at NokiaWorld on the 26th
Oct 05 03:11:51 <SineOt> and sometimes it'll just start pulling up apps that you've run 2 or 3 days ago and not touched since
Oct 05 03:12:01 <fxspec06> i really want an ice cream sandwich. i haven't had one in ages
Oct 05 03:12:15 <fxspec06> used to have them all the time at that retail convenience store before i quit
Oct 05 03:12:56 <summatusmentis> seretogis: I'm skeptical that Google can pull off a big enough overhaul that would be able to convince me to go android
Oct 05 03:13:14 <SineOt> summatusmentis: have you seen the leaked ICS videos?
Oct 05 03:13:25 <summatusmentis> ICS?
Oct 05 03:13:40 <seretogis> I hope the leaked ICS videos aren't accurate :/
Oct 05 03:13:44 <dwc-> internet... connection sharing?
Oct 05 03:13:47 <SineOt> Ice Cream Sandwich, either 2.4 or 4 or who knows what
Oct 05 03:13:53 <summatusmentis> oh, no
Oct 05 03:13:56 <seretogis> the next version of Android
Oct 05 03:14:17 <summatusmentis> I know what Ice Cream Sandwich is, I'd just never seen that acronm
Oct 05 03:14:20 <summatusmentis> acronym
Oct 05 03:14:24 <summatusmentis> SineOt: linkplz?
Oct 05 03:15:20 <dawm_> http://www.precentral.net/android-touchpad-different-approach-getting-android-and-running
Oct 05 03:15:23 <dawm_> interesting
Oct 05 03:15:29 <SineOt> summatusmentis: http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/ice-cream-sandwich-gets-a-two-minute-tour-courtesy-of-a-lucky-e/
Oct 05 03:15:29 <dawm_> droid in a card
Oct 05 03:15:57 <SineOt> Running on a Nexus S, and not a Nexus Boner Jam Primer or whatever the next device is, but gives an idea of how they're meshing Honeycomb into Gingerbread
Oct 05 03:17:43 <seretogis> it looks like just a fancy ROM/skin to me tbh
Oct 05 03:18:23 <summatusmentis> SineOt: well, ok, so, it's honeycomb, sort of
Oct 05 03:18:27 <summatusmentis> meeh
Oct 05 03:18:50 <seretogis> regardless, I'm done with the 9.7" cell phone displays :/  the Pre 3's 3.6 is nice and 4" is about as big as I'd want to go anymore..
Oct 05 03:18:54 <SineOt> it's basically what I expect Palm would have done down the line by converging 3.x and 2.x for both devices
Oct 05 03:19:31 <summatusmentis> except with android
Oct 05 03:19:51 <SineOt> yeah
Oct 05 03:19:55 <summatusmentis> personally? webos 1.4 > android3
Oct 05 03:20:34 <seretogis> they're not really comparable since android 3 is a tablet OS
Oct 05 03:21:08 <summatusmentis> my point is, making android more honeycomby is still android
Oct 05 03:21:11 <summatusmentis> and I don't like it
Oct 05 03:21:58 <SineOt> I used 3.2 on my Netbook for a while. It's not -that- bad there
Oct 05 03:22:01 <fxspec06> me either. all it is is a global way for manufacturers to bring consistency, whether it's good or bad, to the general public
Oct 05 03:22:13 <SineOt> if the wifi worked I'd probably be using it still
Oct 05 03:22:29 <fxspec06> (referring to android in general)
Oct 05 03:22:31 <seretogis> I don't dislike Android for the most part, but it IS inelegant.
Oct 05 03:22:52 <seretogis> webOS > Android > iOS imo
Oct 05 03:23:05 <fxspec06> iOS > android
Oct 05 03:23:05 <SineOt> yeah, it still has a lot of rough edges but I think a lot of that can be blamed on the devs rather than the os itself
Oct 05 03:23:13 <fxspec06> bbOS > android
Oct 05 03:23:18 <summatusmentis> one of the major points that webOS has in it's favor is polish
Oct 05 03:23:24 <summatusmentis> and nice UI
Oct 05 03:23:28 <summatusmentis> I don't get that from android
Oct 05 03:23:29 <seretogis> iOS is nothing but a field of icons.
Oct 05 03:23:51 <SineOt> the only thing worse than bbOS is bbOS
Oct 05 03:24:10 <fxspec06> FWIW, webOS has a few bugs, but it does have polish
Oct 05 03:24:12 <summatusmentis> maybe it is the devs fault, SineOt, but in some ways, Google ought to define better UI guidelines
Oct 05 03:24:14 <fxspec06> what lacks is innovation
Oct 05 03:24:33 <summatusmentis> polish and usability are a big deal for me
Oct 05 03:24:39 <SineOt> they do define some decent UI guidelines, it's just that at this point there's basically like 4 versions of the guidelines now
Oct 05 03:24:41 <fxspec06> lack of innovation for webos. and it's not really anyone's fault right now
Oct 05 03:24:48 <seretogis> I'd still like to know why webOS phones have insane load averages compared to any other linux based device :P
Oct 05 03:25:10 <summatusmentis> multitasking and openness are a close second
Oct 05 03:25:24 <SineOt> you've got 1.0 stuff, 1.5 stuff, 2.x stuff, 3.x stuff
Oct 05 03:25:48 <summatusmentis> well, that's a problem
Oct 05 03:25:49 <seretogis> the webOS app catalog seems a mess, too. I have to say a quick prayer before I purchase something, in hopes it works on my Pre 3.
Oct 05 03:25:51 <fxspec06> javascript and dom elements alone make up for high load averages compared to c
Oct 05 03:26:12 <fxspec06> there is no way to create a 'trial' app
Oct 05 03:26:20 <summatusmentis> yeh, I'd bet that the biggest reason is
Oct 05 03:26:24 <summatusmentis> non-native code
Oct 05 03:26:31 <summatusmentis> or, "non-native"
Oct 05 03:26:45 <fxspec06> non-native code needs to be interpreted on the fly, native code is ... well er .. already compiled
Oct 05 03:26:57 <summatusmentis> indee
Oct 05 03:26:59 <summatusmentis> indeed*
Oct 05 03:27:20 <rwatkins> its not the speed of the javascript code thats the issue generally
Oct 05 03:27:28 <rwatkins> its the dom interactions
Oct 05 03:27:29 <seretogis> well, my Pre 3 is at an 8 load average with *nothing* open.
Oct 05 03:27:42 <fxspec06> yep dom interactions. you said it
Oct 05 03:27:54 <rwatkins> lovely, but thats not javascript tyring to calculate prime numbers or anything
Oct 05 03:28:12 <rwatkins> its webkit recalcuating tons of crap as UI move around or repaints
Oct 05 03:28:33 <seretogis> wtb webkit upgrade. ;D
Oct 05 03:28:38 <fxspec06> the only parts of webos that are c are the launcher and like one other thing, amirite? what was that other thing
Oct 05 03:28:51 <rwatkins> webkit.  thats a bit of C
Oct 05 03:28:52 <fxspec06> phone app*
Oct 05 03:28:53 <summatusmentis> you know, luna
Oct 05 03:28:56 <eighthree> wtb seretogis
Oct 05 03:29:01 <seretogis> sold!
Oct 05 03:29:09 <seretogis> for a pittance!
Oct 05 03:29:15 <eighthree> :D \o/
Oct 05 03:30:03 <rwatkins> there is a ton of C in webOS.  just not the user facing applications.
Oct 05 03:30:04 <dwc-> man, your bf would not pay very much for you, would he
Oct 05 03:30:20 <fxspec06> my pre 2 is at 3.38 load average w/ a few apps open
Oct 05 03:30:40 <eighthree> isn't 3 still a horrible number
Oct 05 03:31:00 <fxspec06> it's going down, now at 1.62
Oct 05 03:31:31 <seretogis> what can I say, I'm easy ;p
Oct 05 03:32:09 <seretogis> hmm.. load average includes jobs waiting for disk I/O, which might explain why it is > 1?
Oct 05 03:32:15 <rwatkins> https://developer.palm.com/content/uploads/pics/palm_0112.png
Oct 05 03:32:16 <fxspec06> 15min is 1.02, that's idle so yeah not awful
Oct 05 03:33:13 <rwatkins> so that little box up there "applications" and some of the Cloud and App Services are JS.  Rest - C.
Oct 05 03:42:50 <EricBlade> uh.. Preware down?
Oct 05 03:44:39 <dwc-> appears so
Oct 05 03:46:44 <wrea> No preware for you
Oct 05 03:46:51 <dwc-> I'm sure it'll be back soon enough, just chill for a bit
Oct 05 03:49:57 <EricBlade> i was -just- about to cry, but it looks like it's back on
Oct 05 03:51:18 <dwc-> phew
Oct 05 03:51:43 <seretogis> here comes the rain again, falling on my head like a memory, falling on my head like a new emotioooonn
Oct 05 03:59:00 <seretogis> has anyone heard anything about a change to Enyo's licensing?
Oct 05 03:59:13 <comrad> .
Oct 05 03:59:34 <EricBlade1> seretogis: if i may channel Chuq, "stay tuned".
Oct 05 03:59:55 <seretogis> haha
Oct 05 04:00:12 <EricBlade1> actually, that wasn't even channeling, that was quoting. he recently said that.
Oct 05 04:02:50 <EricBlade1> right Doug?
Oct 05 04:03:00 * DougReeder waves hello
Oct 05 04:03:28 <seretogis> unwiredben wrote: All I can say right now is stay tuned. We have big plans with Enyo.
Oct 05 04:03:39 <seretogis> I wonder who "we" is in that statement..
Oct 05 04:05:30 <akanster> one would assume Palm
Oct 05 04:05:45 <seretogis> as opposed to HP?
Oct 05 04:17:25 <rwhitby> one is still a business unit of the other last time I checked
Oct 05 04:17:54 <rwhitby> (albeit recently renamed)
Oct 05 04:28:48 * halfhalo yawns
Oct 05 04:29:43 <PatrickC> hey all
Oct 05 04:29:52 <wrea> hi
Oct 05 04:30:12 <PatrickC> how's it goin wrea
Oct 05 04:30:43 <wrea> ok. compat-wireless is being a pain
Oct 05 04:33:14 <wrea> I didnt get my Veer back from being repaired today either
Oct 05 04:33:50 * halfhalo has magnets
Oct 05 04:38:53 * PatrickC got box to send touchpad back in
Oct 05 04:39:06 <halfhalo> you broke it?
Oct 05 04:40:01 <PatrickC> cracked speaker housing
Oct 05 04:40:07 <PatrickC> and bad touchstone charging
Oct 05 04:41:03 <EricBlade1> lol u brk ur touchpad
Oct 05 04:41:08 <EricBlade> :)
Oct 05 04:41:12 <PatrickC> man.. 80mb takes forever to download
Oct 05 04:41:17 <PatrickC> EricBlade: its my dads :P
Oct 05 04:41:22 <EricBlade> if i broke my touchpad, i would seriously not know what to do
Oct 05 04:41:29 <dwc-> cry?
Oct 05 04:41:35 <EricBlade> going back to my iPod would just suck a
Oct 05 04:41:36 <wrea> Dont worry, it'll be slow too when you run it
Oct 05 04:42:00 <PatrickC> wrea: what?
Oct 05 04:42:16 <wrea> I'm assuming you're downloading that ipk
Oct 05 04:42:31 <PatrickC> yep lol
Oct 05 04:43:05 <PatrickC> I wish/hope cyogenmod works with this guy
Oct 05 04:43:44 <wrea> its so slow and in chinese
Oct 05 04:44:07 <PatrickC> you can fix the chinese easily
Oct 05 04:44:23 <PatrickC> and the slow part is fixed in cyogenmod. but this isn't the cyogenmod build
Oct 05 04:50:14 <PatrickC> hey eighthree
Oct 05 04:50:22 <eighthree> hey PatrickC
Oct 05 04:50:23 <eighthree> how goes it
Oct 05 04:50:28 <eighthree> are you on ATT yet xD
Oct 05 04:50:30 <seretogis> ok who wants to field a total newb webOS dev question ;p
Oct 05 04:50:33 <PatrickC> goin good
Oct 05 04:50:45 <PatrickC> seretogis: sure
Oct 05 04:50:45 <rwatkins> woot, inspector dimensions work in Chrome again.
Oct 05 04:50:46 <PatrickC> :)
Oct 05 04:51:06 <rwatkins> was broken in iframes in sliding pages in Stable, works again in Dev
Oct 05 04:53:14 <seretogis> afk spamming PatrickC
Oct 05 04:55:48 <seretogis> pardon the channel spam
Oct 05 04:55:52 <seretogis> incoming newb question
Oct 05 04:55:58 <seretogis> so. I'm working on our first app and I'm trying to get my head around the structure / how to reference components of things..
Oct 05 04:56:17 <seretogis> the initial 'kind' is a Pane named UbeCake.Contraption -- it contains two components: initialSetup of kind enyo.ModalDialog, and mainScreen of kind Pane
Oct 05 04:56:29 <seretogis> in my constructor for UbeCake.Contraption I'd like to open the modal dialog, so that as soon as the app is opened the mainScreen pane is opened in the background while the modal dialog pops up for the initial setup junk.
Oct 05 04:57:44 <seretogis> so my create function contains this.inherited(arguments) and this.$.modalDialog.open() but it fails to find my modal dialog (initialSetup) to call open() on it.
Oct 05 04:59:14 <rwatkins> components are not guaranteed to be there until ready()
Oct 05 05:00:10 <seretogis> oooh let me try that
Oct 05 05:00:33 <rwatkins> that of course will also delay until mainScreen is created as well
Oct 05 05:01:21 <seretogis> that should be fine
Oct 05 05:01:34 <rwatkins> also note that dialogs are lazy by default
Oct 05 05:01:40 <seretogis> I think my syntax for calling open() on the modal dialog is incorrect though, it says the open method is undefined
Oct 05 05:02:34 <rwatkins> I'd also recommend Popups rather than modal dialogs.  Modal dialogs look like crap on a TP in landscape mode.
Oct 05 05:03:58 <seretogis> I might drop the popup/modal aspect of it entirely just to simplify
Oct 05 05:05:15 <rwatkins> I just initialize to a "splash" pane, then transition to login if needed, or the "main" pane if the users is already logged in.
Oct 05 05:05:48 <seretogis> that's a good idea, since I don't think 3.0 supports the splashIcon thing
Oct 05 05:06:51 <rwatkins> my app still takes to long to get to the "splash" pane, but those are optimizations for a later day ...
Oct 05 05:17:01 <EricBlade> ok the lcars-clock is really starting to make me angry.  on my gf's touchpad, it is always silent, and on mine, it always starts the moment i reboot, and every time i take it -off- the touchstone.
Oct 05 05:17:28 <dwc-> silent?
Oct 05 05:17:40 <EricBlade> yeah the alarm
Oct 05 05:17:42 <EricBlade> is silent
Oct 05 05:18:33 <rwatkins> time to fetch a single record form a fairly small webSQL database on webOS?  8 seconds! WTF?!
Oct 05 05:18:42 <dwc-> there's an alarm?
Oct 05 05:28:23 <seretogis> so in the Enyo example code for setting the label of a button, for instance, it always references this.$.button -- what if you have two buttons? surely not this.$.button[0] and this.$.button[1]? :o
Oct 05 05:28:37 <rwatkins> give your kinds names
Oct 05 05:28:47 <seretogis> I do (though they never do in the docs)
Oct 05 05:28:54 <rwatkins> name: "deleteButton", name: "createButton"
Oct 05 05:29:01 <rwatkins> this.$.createButton.stuff()
Oct 05 05:29:07 <seretogis> ahh hrm
Oct 05 05:29:19 <seretogis> that's what I've hoped would work ;D
Oct 05 05:29:41 <seretogis> I assume there is a long list of reserved names, maybe I'm butting up against those
Oct 05 05:30:15 <rwatkins> I dont think so.
Oct 05 05:30:42 <rwatkins> I think the names are just unique to that kind declaration
Oct 05 05:30:57 <rwatkins> it also creates ids for the dom elements but I think those are namespaced
Oct 05 05:45:24 <EricBlade1> hmm. my gf says she saw an ad for a local furniture store giving away touchpads to the first 1000 people to buy a new bedroom set from them
Oct 05 05:46:07 <dwc-> lol...
Oct 05 05:46:11 <EricBlade1> i hope the first "weekly app hack" theme is "farts"
Oct 05 05:46:17 <hucksy> EricBlade1: get the bedroom set, give me the pad :D
Oct 05 05:46:26 <SineOt> Hmm. Y'know, I wonder a ton about the Samsung WP7 Glonass enabler app.
Oct 05 05:46:26 <dwc-> that'll be a good way to sell that on seriousness
Oct 05 05:46:59 <EricBlade1> hucksy: you buy me the bedroom set, and i'll give you the touchpad
Oct 05 05:47:09 <hucksy> ;)
Oct 05 05:48:46 <rwatkins> diamond earings come with a free xbox?  new curtains come with football tix?
Oct 05 05:59:38 <dwc-> hrm... palm-install is failing me...
Oct 05 06:00:07 <dwc-> An error ocurred, return value: 4.
Oct 05 06:00:07 <dwc-> An error ocurred, return value: 4.
Oct 05 06:00:07 <dwc-> Collected errors:
Oct 05 06:00:07 <dwc-> An error ocurred, return value: 4.
Oct 05 06:00:07 <dwc-> Collected errors:
Oct 05 06:00:10 <dwc-> Cannot find package skype-download.
Oct 05 06:00:32 <dwc-> (apparently copy/pasting out of novaterm is failing me at the moment)
Oct 05 06:01:28 <seretogis> for those who are curious, the issue I was having selecting the views was because I apparently needed a container for the 'initialSetup' and 'mainScreen' panes.
Oct 05 06:01:55 <seretogis> because one didn't have sight of the other, and the main kind for some reason I couldn't call selectViewByName from
Oct 05 06:03:29 <dawm_> sugardave, happy birthday?
Oct 05 06:05:02 <dawm_> 2 daves on my FB have birthdays today.. both i know from IRC
Oct 05 06:14:35 <dwc-> anyone have any ideas how to fix this? trying to palm-install something, and it fails... invoking ipkg per the log gives more details as to why it fails, but I'm not sure I understand what it's looking for... http://pastebin.com/0DxzVAh7
Oct 05 06:30:10 <EricBlade1> i wonder if doctoring this touchpad will fix skype
Oct 05 06:30:11 <EricBlade1> this is horrible
Oct 05 06:30:25 <EricBlade1> i got it to recreate my account, and now it's shutting down all my open conversations
Oct 05 06:30:44 <rwhitby> dwc-: have you unpacked that ipk to see what it depends on and what the postinst is doing?
Oct 05 06:32:07 <dawm_> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.andreschnabel.steinkraftlite
Oct 05 06:32:11 <dawm_> lol @ minecraft clones
Oct 05 06:32:36 <dwc-> Nothing in the control file suggesting dependencies or a postinst
Oct 05 06:33:45 <dwc-> seems like if it was a dependency problem, I'd get an error saying that... I know I've seen it before, when I was playing with skype from the vzw pre2
Oct 05 06:35:21 <dawm_> 'that is strange, that shouldnt have happened' shouldnt be in a video demo'ing your app..
Oct 05 06:35:44 <dwc-> there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the ipk itself... it installs just fine in the root (without -o flag)
Oct 05 07:28:34 <dwc-> well... seems there was a /media/cryptofs/apps/etc with an arch.conf missing
Oct 05 07:49:37 <dwc-> (... and it turns out I didn't want it in /media/cryptofs anyways)
Oct 05 10:36:44 * Hendikins ponders hacking up a quick and dirty train timetable viewer for his TouchPad.
Oct 05 13:49:25 <summatusmentis> hi all, I'm trying to get my universities Google Apps calendar to sync with webOS. I setup the sync, but when I say Sync All in the calendar app, it prompts me to re-enter my google password
Oct 05 13:49:30 <summatusmentis> consistently
Oct 05 13:50:23 <panel> and after you enter pass it will sync with it?
Oct 05 13:51:06 <summatusmentis> no
Oct 05 13:51:21 <panel> have you enabled 2-way google authentication ?
Oct 05 13:51:37 <summatusmentis> after I enter the pass, and then hit Sync All, it prompts me for the password again
Oct 05 13:51:40 <summatusmentis> no, I can't
Oct 05 13:51:50 <summatusmentis> it's a Google Apps for Education account
Oct 05 13:51:54 <panel> hmm
Oct 05 13:52:36 <panel> have you tried to delete and create it as new ?
Oct 05 13:52:46 <summatusmentis> this is a newly added account, as of yesterday
Oct 05 13:55:57 <summatusmentis> when I delete it and re-create it, it says "your account is not configured for calendar"
Oct 05 13:56:00 <summatusmentis> which is not true?
Oct 05 13:56:17 <panel> hmm, on web it's working
Oct 05 13:56:31 <summatusmentis> yeah
Oct 05 13:57:18 <panel> is there any setting on that account ?
Oct 05 13:57:23 <panel> i guess not
Oct 05 13:57:27 <summatusmentis> what do you mean?
Oct 05 13:58:03 <panel> it's on touchpad ?
Oct 05 13:58:53 <summatusmentis> no, pre2
Oct 05 13:59:52 <panel> i have pre2 too, i looked ad google calendar accounts if there's any other setting than username/pass
Oct 05 14:01:20 <dawm__> i have like 5 accounts that are google hosted, never an issue with any of them
Oct 05 14:03:26 <summatusmentis> yeah, it won't even show up in "Calendar View Options"
Oct 05 14:03:39 <summatusmentis> I'm wondering if maybe it's a configuration thing on the University end
Oct 05 14:03:45 <panel> summatusmentis and when you opens that calendar in web browser there are no additional settings to be configured ? i down't know nothing about Google Apps for Education account
Oct 05 14:04:09 <summatusmentis> no, I've checked and re-checked the settings for that account
Oct 05 14:07:07 <panel> I only know about 2-step verification, there are application-specific passwords
Oct 05 14:07:19 <panel> for each app you have to create pass
Oct 05 14:07:31 <summatusmentis> yeah, but that's not turned on
Oct 05 14:12:30 <Qube> anyone from palm? looking to see how to get at the internal forums - thought it was supposed to happen within a couple of days, but it hasn't for me
Oct 05 14:12:31 <panel> in last days google started new service
Oct 05 14:12:55 <panel> summatusmentis try enable Multiple sign-in
Oct 05 14:14:24 <summatusmentis> multiple sign-on is already enabled
Oct 05 14:14:35 <panel> on both accounts ?
Oct 05 14:15:31 <summatusmentis> yes
Oct 05 14:16:18 <dawm__> wow
Oct 05 14:16:29 <dawm__> i can honestly say, fb's 'people you may know' has always annoyed me
Oct 05 14:16:50 <Qube> google's is as bad
Oct 05 14:16:51 <dawm__> but today it actually showed someone i used to talk to years ago but never found on fb
Oct 05 14:17:08 <dawm__> someone i actually do know
Oct 05 14:17:11 <panel> summatusmentis i'm now on end of my knowledge :) maybe you can try enable 2way verification on your education account and generate unique pass for pre2
Oct 05 14:17:12 <PatrickC> HattCzech_work: ping!
Oct 05 14:17:15 <PatrickC> hey all
Oct 05 14:17:26 <HattCzech_work> sup PatrickC
Oct 05 14:17:36 <PatrickC> see PM
Oct 05 14:17:47 <summatusmentis> I can't enable 2way verification
Oct 05 14:18:09 <panel> hmm
Oct 05 14:18:38 <panel> maybe theres another server address for that account
Oct 05 14:19:35 <summatusmentis> nope
Oct 05 14:21:16 <panel> http://www.epschoolsri.com/news/google.php
Oct 05 14:21:25 <panel> To set up your email, calendar and contacts on your smart phone go to:
Oct 05 14:21:29 <panel> http://www.google.com/mobile/
Oct 05 14:21:36 <panel> try to login on that
Oct 05 14:21:48 <panel> and maybe there will be some oher settings
Oct 05 14:21:58 <summatusmentis> so... this is super bizarre. I just changed my "google account desktop app/mobile app password" and there's no complaining about how the calendar function isn't enabled
Oct 05 14:22:17 <summatusmentis> and now the calendar shows up
Oct 05 14:22:23 <summatusmentis> what?
Oct 05 14:23:29 <panel> it's working ?
Oct 05 14:23:37 <panel> have you only changed pass ?
Oct 05 14:24:42 <dawm__> ugh i hate waiting for items to ship.. and arrive..
Oct 05 14:24:54 <dawm__> when are we getting those printers that print out shit we buy online
Oct 05 14:24:59 <dawm__> HP?!! cmon
Oct 05 14:25:02 <summatusmentis> panel: yes
Oct 05 14:25:08 <summatusmentis> this makes absolutely no sense
Oct 05 14:26:53 <panel> summatusmentis important thing is that it;s working now :)
Oct 05 14:27:09 <WinterMute> dawm__: you have to build them :p
Oct 05 14:29:13 <PatrickC> dawm__: after I get webos on my desktop
Oct 05 14:30:41 <summatusmentis> panel: indeed, but that's really frustrating
Oct 05 14:31:15 <summatusmentis> I don't want webos on my desktop, unless it's a "get your notifications and things" thing
Oct 05 14:31:32 <dawm__> fudge..
Oct 05 14:31:37 <summatusmentis> using my touchpad as a "laptop" works pretty well, assuming I don't want to do anything webOS can't do
Oct 05 14:31:41 <summatusmentis> you know, like use eclipse
Oct 05 14:31:52 <panel> :)))
Oct 05 14:31:53 <dawm__> words w/ friends.. my friend played a 118 point word as her 2nd move.. yeah i lost that game
Oct 05 14:32:19 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: why can't you use eclipse? :)
Oct 05 14:34:10 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: mostly because I haven't setup the chroot yet, but also because I imagine "desktop oriented apps" without a mouse are hard
Oct 05 14:34:34 <PatrickC> not super
Oct 05 14:34:43 <PatrickC> hard*
Oct 05 14:34:49 <summatusmentis> "not super hard" is not the same thing as "usable"
Oct 05 14:35:02 <PatrickC> they are usable
Oct 05 14:35:08 <summatusmentis> and doesn't instill confidence in me
Oct 05 14:35:15 <PatrickC> just, you need to be precise in your touchscreen using :)
Oct 05 14:35:25 <summatusmentis> there are varying definitions of usbale, for my purposes I get the sense they won't be
Oct 05 14:35:41 <PatrickC> well, you can always uninstall if you don't like it
Oct 05 14:36:18 <panel> bye
Oct 05 14:36:55 <PatrickC> cya
Oct 05 14:37:21 <summatusmentis> I don't disagree
Oct 05 14:38:48 <hotdp> on what?
Oct 05 14:39:36 <dawm__> apple sauces
Oct 05 14:39:46 <hotdp> hehe
Oct 05 14:39:54 <summatusmentis> hotdp: PatrickC's statement that I can uninstall software I don't like
Oct 05 14:40:04 <PatrickC> dawm__: lol
Oct 05 14:40:26 <dawm__> APPLE SAUCES
Oct 05 14:40:50 <dawm__> iFON4 ESS
Oct 05 14:42:08 <PatrickC> dawm__: you gettin one?
Oct 05 14:42:24 <dawm__> probably
Oct 05 14:42:30 <dawm__> i hate droid more than i hate ios
Oct 05 14:42:53 <summatusmentis> this
Oct 05 14:42:53 <PatrickC> same here
Oct 05 14:42:58 <PatrickC> webos still wins overall
Oct 05 14:43:15 <dawm__> but no new hardware
Oct 05 14:43:21 <PatrickC> yeah
Oct 05 14:43:24 <dawm__> and my pre2 is starting to get beat up
Oct 05 14:43:24 <summatusmentis> I don't know, as an OS I agree
Oct 05 14:43:28 <dawm__> dropped it 10ft last week
Oct 05 14:43:37 <summatusmentis> but I'm finding it harder and harder to ignore the lack of major apps
Oct 05 14:43:40 <dawm__> broke the touchstone cover and put a wrinkle in the side of the front
Oct 05 14:43:53 <dawm__> glass intact no scratches, and it landed on concrete
Oct 05 14:43:55 <PatrickC> my list goes: webOS, iOS, android, featurephone, blackberry
Oct 05 14:43:59 <PatrickC> wow
Oct 05 14:44:05 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: same
Oct 05 14:44:11 <hotdp> dawm__ no win7 mongo?
Oct 05 14:44:17 <summatusmentis> mango
Oct 05 14:44:32 <hotdp> but yes android < ios but webos > ios
Oct 05 14:44:41 <dawm__> no mango
Oct 05 14:44:55 <hotdp> usa ?
Oct 05 14:45:03 <dawm__> i had wm6.. hated it
Oct 05 14:45:26 <fxspec06> how do i render a entire kind from mane pane
Oct 05 14:45:47 <fxspec06> or how do i call a method inside a kind from mane kind
Oct 05 14:45:47 <summatusmentis> dawm__: wp7 is drastically different
Oct 05 14:45:54 <fxspec06> main*
Oct 05 14:45:55 <dawm__> idontcare
Oct 05 14:46:13 <dawm__> my cat LOVES to be thrown across the room
Oct 05 14:47:24 <hotdp> I had win 6.5 it is the worst mobile experience i have ever had
Oct 05 14:47:31 * fxspec06 loves it when firefox freezes
Oct 05 14:47:37 <lo2net> I agree
Oct 05 14:47:38 <fxspec06> it's my favorite thing in the whole wide world
Oct 05 14:47:39 <dawm__> hotdp, yep
Oct 05 14:47:49 <dawm__> my htc mogul died the day of the pre $99 bestbuy mistake
Oct 05 14:47:51 <dawm__> thank god!
Oct 05 14:47:56 <dwc-> pick up another pre2
Oct 05 14:48:16 <dawm__> i wish cats listend as well as dogs
Oct 05 14:48:35 <fxspec06> OMG firefox froze again
Oct 05 14:48:37 <dwc-> oh, cats listen
Oct 05 14:48:40 <dwc-> they listen alright
Oct 05 14:48:43 <fxspec06> twice in a row! that's a record
Oct 05 14:48:45 <dwc-> they just then choose to ignore you
Oct 05 14:49:14 <fxspec06> okay 3 times in a row just is not cool
Oct 05 14:49:36 <summatusmentis> dwc-: I'm not even sure it's a choice
Oct 05 14:49:40 <summatusmentis> more like a default position
Oct 05 14:49:47 <dawm__> Whoomp! (There It Is)
Oct 05 14:53:51 <Qube> dawm__: http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2011/09/28/image/321149_Whoooa%2C%20hey%20don%27t%20do%20that%2C%20I%20wanna%20be%20with%20you.%20Ima%20coming%20back%20over%2C%20here%20I%20am%2C%20whooooa%2C%20ok%20lol%2C%20but%20really%20I%20wanna%20be%20over%20here%20with%20you%20cause%20I%20like%2C%20whoooa....%20well%20fuck..gif
Oct 05 14:54:07 <dawm__> qube, exactly!
Oct 05 14:54:40 <dawm__> he even purrs when i do it
Oct 05 14:54:52 <Shadyman> TWSS?
Oct 05 14:55:07 <dawm__> lol
Oct 05 14:55:32 <Shadyman> What are you doing to induce purring?
Oct 05 14:55:51 <dawm__> chucking him as far as i can throw him
Oct 05 14:55:58 <dawm__> my cat
Oct 05 14:56:05 <dawm__> basically
Oct 05 14:56:05 <dawm__> http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2011/09/28/image/321149_Whoooa%2C%20hey%20don%27t%20do%20that%2C%20I%20wanna%20be%20with%20you.%20Ima%20coming%20back%20over%2C%20here%20I%20am%2C%20whooooa%2C%20ok%20lol%2C%20but%20really%20I%20wanna%20be%20over%20here%20with%20you%20cause%20I%20like%2C%20whoooa....%20well%20fuck..gif
Oct 05 15:18:19 <seretogis> lol, the guy I sold a UK Pre3 to for $200 yesterday is trying to resell it on PreCentral
Oct 05 15:19:18 <summatusmentis> part of me wants to nab a pre3
Oct 05 15:19:30 <summatusmentis> part of me has a lot of trouble buying a DOA product
Oct 05 15:19:41 <seretogis> it is a dead-end
Oct 05 15:19:58 <halfhalo> doitdoitdoit
Oct 05 15:20:42 <summatusmentis> I'd also have to switch carriers to use it
Oct 05 15:20:42 <rwatkins> Its unfortunate it will likely never get 3.0
Oct 05 15:21:00 <rwatkins> good to see it atleast shipped w/ Enyo tho
Oct 05 15:21:23 <summatusmentis> I think I'm gonna wait it out w/ my pre2/veer, and re-evaluate in 6 months or so
Oct 05 15:21:24 * halfhalo goes back to magnets
Oct 05 15:21:27 <seretogis> yeah, sort of. at least one bit of Enyo is broken on it
Oct 05 15:21:46 <rwatkins> there is alot of broken bits of Enyo on it
Oct 05 15:22:09 <seretogis> yeah, I just encountered one and gave up, figuring that it would likely not be fixed in the foreseeable future and that deving for it was a dead-end
Oct 05 15:22:15 <seretogis> TouchPad only for me I think :P
Oct 05 15:22:44 <halfhalo> mmmm...... 11MB/s download....
Oct 05 15:22:45 <rwatkins> you can often patch you way around some of the brokenness in Enyo.
Oct 05 15:23:17 <rwatkins> like the Dashboard notification in Enyo coming up all white - copy the Dashboard files, fix the CSS and ship it in the app.
Oct 05 15:23:44 <rwatkins> perf issues are harder tho
Oct 05 15:25:02 <rwatkins> Pre3 is my main phone now though - likely will be for a while.
Oct 05 15:27:20 <seretogis> mine too, but I'm eager to find something else to move on to. problem is the pre 3 sets the bar pretty high :P
Oct 05 15:59:53 <sugardave> first weekly app hack: http://bit.ly/nJZW58
Oct 05 16:00:20 <halfhalo> dundundun.....
Oct 05 16:00:47 <sugardave> there be a bug in exhibition :/
Oct 05 16:00:52 <halfhalo> im shocked
Oct 05 16:02:50 <destinal> this weekly app hack thing looks fun
Oct 05 16:04:41 <sugardave> yeah it does...I bet I'm not eligible :P
Oct 05 16:04:59 <halfhalo> nobody would notice!
Oct 05 16:05:05 <halfhalo> actually... hmmm....
Oct 05 16:08:17 <destinal> too bad no prizes every week, just this first one
Oct 05 16:12:35 <seretogis> my Pre 3 just spontaneously rebooted and I'm pretending to not have noticed. <_<
Oct 05 16:12:57 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 05 16:13:12 <seretogis> la la la >_>
Oct 05 16:14:02 <summatusmentis> I bet the ip4s doesn't spontaneously reboot
Oct 05 16:14:07 <summatusmentis> >_>
Oct 05 16:14:10 <rwatkins> well there we go - I'll have Paper Mache read you your articles in a Robot Voice and walk away with a TouchPad :)
Oct 05 16:15:16 <seretogis> my original iPhone spontaneously rebooted a couple of times, but it was hacked to bits so that I could copy/paste and multitask :P
Oct 05 16:15:35 <summatusmentis> lolol
Oct 05 16:15:42 <sugardave> sometimes mine loses its SIM...I hope it's because I'm still using the dev unit
Oct 05 16:15:57 <sugardave> rwatkins: nice
Oct 05 16:16:28 <halfhalo> my veer sometimes is not happy when i pull the sim out and then stick it back in while the phone is on.  it makes it grumpy
Oct 05 16:17:41 <sugardave> yeah, I can't really do that on the Pre3
Oct 05 16:18:00 <sugardave> I guess I could try it
Oct 05 16:18:06 <sugardave> but I don't want to
Oct 05 16:18:22 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 05 16:20:09 <rwatkins> so does the apphack plugin support anything other than "playAudio"?  Like perhaps "onEnd" or "playPause" ?
Oct 05 16:21:21 <rwatkins> or is that left as "an exersise for the developer"?
Oct 05 16:24:15 <dawm__> so dave.. how old are ya now
Oct 05 16:29:20 <sugardave> woo, I am under 40
Oct 05 16:29:31 <sugardave> that's like "under $1000"
Oct 05 16:30:13 <sugardave> rwatkins: I think that's up to you :D
Oct 05 16:30:51 <dawm__> ;p
Oct 05 16:34:54 <rwatkins> sugardave: thats gonna be interesting as there is no provided source to recomplile the plugin.  :)
Oct 05 16:39:13 <sugardave> rwatkins: hey, Touchpads are hard to come by...
Oct 05 16:40:47 <rwatkins> so for anything more than short bits of text the apphack becomes "go find your own library and wrap it up as a plugin yourself" :)
Oct 05 16:41:29 <rwatkins> so somewhat less useful for reading you a New Yorker article.
Oct 05 16:41:57 <rwatkins> but pretty good for a custom text fart app.
Oct 05 16:42:42 <sugardave> haha
Oct 05 16:48:03 <nohorse> is there a patch for the TP to allow keyboard copy/paste via ctrl+c/v?  i notice that the shift-arrow propery highlights a block, but then i need to long-tap to do the rest.
Oct 05 16:48:42 <fxspec06> WOooo
Oct 05 16:48:45 <fxspec06> oh yeah oh yeah
Oct 05 16:48:56 * fxspec06 le comprende a la events de enyo
Oct 05 16:49:08 <fxspec06> !!!
Oct 05 16:50:17 <Darkmagister> hi,i want to create an enyo app but it's the first time and i want to ask some question before start, can i create a package with mojo + enyo pre3 +enyo tp ? i have found some example of sliding panel on the sdk with enyo but in my pre3 the word and every widget is really little not very good maybe better in the touchpad ... why ?
Oct 05 16:51:57 <fxspec06> replace understand with 'has a basic grasp,' i'm sure there are plenty of people who have larger grasp on enyo events than i
Oct 05 16:52:25 <rwatkins> Darkmagister: yes, you can write an app that packages both Mojo for Phones and Enyo code for TouchPad.
Oct 05 16:52:55 <rwatkins> and you can have the Enyo version scale up 1.5x on the Pre3 with the correct device info in the html header.  See the dev forums.
Oct 05 16:52:57 <Darkmagister> yes and i write an enyo app that auto adjust for the screen of pre3 and tp ?
Oct 05 16:53:02 <rwatkins> yes
Oct 05 16:53:11 <Darkmagister> mmm good
Oct 05 16:53:16 <rwatkins> either.  I wrote one that works on both - Paper Mache.
Oct 05 16:53:24 <Darkmagister> yes
Oct 05 16:53:29 <Darkmagister> you i have your app :D
Oct 05 16:53:59 <rwatkins> Enyo works on both - Sliding Panes "multiView" feature works well.
Oct 05 16:54:00 <Darkmagister> and i see that it's in enyo and looks great on my pre3 but the example that i have found are really tiny
Oct 05 16:54:36 <Darkmagister> on the pre3 screen maybe are made only for tp...
Oct 05 16:54:44 <Darkmagister> i don't know how to scale an app
Oct 05 16:55:00 <rwatkins>   <meta name="viewport" content="height=device-height" />
Oct 05 16:55:25 <rwatkins> on enyo app on Pre3 will scale 1.5x
Oct 05 16:55:38 <Darkmagister> in the index.html on the header
Oct 05 16:55:39 <Darkmagister> ok
Oct 05 16:55:54 <rwatkins> yes
Oct 05 16:55:56 <Darkmagister> and on tp it's also ok ?
Oct 05 16:56:11 <Darkmagister> yes because the value is device-height :D
Oct 05 16:56:14 <Darkmagister> i think
Oct 05 16:56:45 <rwatkins> yes
Oct 05 16:57:39 <rwatkins> note though that the Maps app went the other way - did not scale, and manually setup 1.5 sized resources for everything itself.
Oct 05 16:57:42 <riskish2> http://appsumo.com/~61Wl
Oct 05 16:58:44 <Darkmagister> ok
Oct 05 16:58:47 <rwatkins> This is why in the Pre3 Maps app menu, each entry in the dropdown is tiny
Oct 05 16:59:43 <dwc-> riskish2: is that a referral link that gets you extra entries?
Oct 05 17:04:00 <Darkmagister> ok now i have to learn how manage the content of the panel :D
Oct 05 17:04:07 <Darkmagister> and how they works
Oct 05 18:23:33 <fxspec06> why isn't my virtual repeater scrollable? =(
Oct 05 18:25:01 <InfiniteLoop> anyone participating in the latest webos challenge ?
Oct 05 18:29:22 <fxspec06> woo nvm got scrolling. -.-
Oct 05 18:32:11 * Tommy rolls around in a pile of iPhone 4Ses
Oct 05 18:32:58 <seretogis> it is possible to have drawers without captions, right? <_<
Oct 05 18:57:40 <leiru_web> my notebook just exploded.
Oct 05 19:13:45 <sugardave> leiru_web: you should offer it some wine and a relaxing massage then ask it how its day went
Oct 05 19:18:25 <leiru_web> i just started my todays node.js coding session
Oct 05 19:18:37 <leiru_web> then it said: "bye bye"
Oct 05 19:18:42 <leiru_web> :(
Oct 05 19:19:06 <akanster> sugardave: wine + crazy is never a good combination!
Oct 05 19:22:24 <leiru_web> it wouldn't be a problem at all, i could use my workstation if i was at home... but i am on holidays in my parents house.
Oct 05 19:24:13 <leiru_web> hmmm... bitbucket now offers unlimited private git repos
Oct 05 19:24:56 <leiru_web> that would be really a reason for me to change from github to bitbucket
Oct 05 19:44:44 <dwc-> or you could do both!
Oct 05 19:50:33 <leiru_web> dwc-: yep!
Oct 05 19:50:34 <seretogis> how does bitbucket make money, then?>
Oct 05 19:50:54 <leiru_web> seretogis: with companies.
Oct 05 19:51:08 <seretogis>  oh it's free for open source only?
Oct 05 19:51:50 <leiru_web> no
Oct 05 19:52:35 * seretogis scratches his head.
Oct 05 19:52:36 <seretogis> ;D
Oct 05 19:52:40 <leiru_web> okay. probably with comapanies larger than 5 users. --> https://bitbucket.org/plans
Oct 05 19:53:04 <dwc-> Yep, you heard it right. We had so much fun last week that we decided to get going with another MeetUp ASAP and flew Rod Whitby (of Internalz fame) in just for fun. Ok, actually Rod will be visiting the Bay Area and was gracious enough to join us, so bring along all your homebrew questions.
Oct 05 19:53:08 <seretogis> I have an "organization" plan on github atm, so I'm limited to 10 private repositories but unlimited users, I believe?
Oct 05 19:53:09 * dwc- scratches his head
Oct 05 19:53:14 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 05 19:57:12 <leiru_web> seretogis: yep, i think so
Oct 05 20:03:57 <gaurav_> just noticed the TouchPad is formatted with FAT32 :/
Oct 05 20:04:11 <gaurav_> there goes loading up 8GB 1080p films on my 32GB TP
Oct 05 20:05:38 <Lazar_Dobrescu> can always split them in parts :)
Oct 05 20:05:41 <seretogis> yeah I tried that last weekend :P
Oct 05 20:05:55 <Lazar_Dobrescu> it has to be formatted with FAT32 to be accessed as a USB drive from windows unfortunately
Oct 05 20:06:10 <seretogis> I'd flirted with the limit with my 1.9GB 720p TV episodes :P
Oct 05 20:06:51 <Lazar_Dobrescu> ofc watching 1080p on a TP is... not really useful :)
Oct 05 20:06:52 <gaurav_> max file size is 4GB afaik so that's good enough for a 720p film I think
Oct 05 20:07:14 <gaurav_> Lazar_Dobrescu: indeed, just saves time to convert
Oct 05 20:07:34 <gaurav_> as I watch 1080p on my desktop/TV
Oct 05 20:08:04 <Lazar_Dobrescu> yeah good point
Oct 05 20:08:17 <seretogis> <something about how you never make it past the first 3.5 minutes of the "films" you watch on your TouchPad anyhow>
Oct 05 20:08:29 * seretogis coughs.
Oct 05 20:08:32 <gaurav_> heheh
Oct 05 20:08:42 <Lazar_Dobrescu> in 1080p? Apparently not a good idea :)
Oct 05 20:08:48 <Lazar_Dobrescu> there are some things that best remain blurry
Oct 05 20:09:00 <seretogis> count the wrinkles!
Oct 05 20:09:24 <gaurav_> it's nice to sit on a train journey and watch stuff
Oct 05 20:09:35 <seretogis> yeah that's what I use it for
Oct 05 20:09:48 <seretogis> I watched Caprica and The Big C my last few trips up/down to Vancouver
Oct 05 20:09:57 <gaurav_> I do a 40 minute journey each way to work so it's a quick time killer
Oct 05 20:10:06 <gaurav_> Caprica any good?
Oct 05 20:10:11 <gaurav_> I *loved* BSG
Oct 05 20:10:19 <seretogis> you'd like Caprica then
Oct 05 20:10:22 <gaurav_> never followed Caprica
Oct 05 20:10:24 <seretogis> until they canceled it at least
Oct 05 20:10:34 <gaurav_> meh
Oct 05 20:11:00 <gaurav_> only one season?!
Oct 05 20:11:07 <seretogis> yeah..
Oct 05 20:11:14 <gaurav_> http://www.tvrage.com/Caprica/episode_list
Oct 05 20:13:00 <seretogis> hmm I only saw up to ep 12 it seems
Oct 05 20:13:53 <seretogis> yay, six more episodes for me to watch :D
Oct 05 20:40:01 <dawm__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOS58Q9mMJo
Oct 05 20:40:09 <dawm__> new xbox dashboard looks like winmo..
Oct 05 20:40:19 <dawm__> comes holiday 2011
Oct 05 20:44:03 <rwatkins> so how exactly is waving your hand in the air for a foot or two wide easier than pressing down a few millimeters where you hand is already resting on a remote?
Oct 05 20:45:55 <akanster> ^^
Oct 05 20:46:37 <rwatkins> im all for more streaming video on the xbox - I use that all the time.  but the kinect gesture interface?  uh ok.
Oct 05 20:47:49 <rwatkins> would also be fun to play that commercial on an xbox - and watch it quit the video in teh middle and go search bing.
Oct 05 20:48:24 <seretogis> I like that they said "this changes everything" in their ad. lol. Apple's lawyerin' up!
Oct 05 20:48:56 <seretogis> "your honor, we assert that only Apple products can 'change everything' on a regular basis."
Oct 05 20:49:38 <wrea> lol
Oct 05 20:53:53 <akanster> will all this be free from current Live subscribers or do we have to pay more?
Oct 05 20:53:57 <akanster> for*
Oct 05 20:55:01 <dwc-> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2011/oct11/10-05XBTVPR.mspx
Oct 05 20:55:06 <dwc-> ^ do we know anything else?
Oct 05 20:58:25 <akanster> gadget-wise, this is shaping up to be one sweet Christmas.  new iPhone, new nexus phone, Playstation Vita, Kindle Fire, GOW3, MW3, Xbox tv thing
Oct 05 20:59:20 <summatusmentis> rwatkins: do you know how frequently I lose my remote?
Oct 05 20:59:37 <summatusmentis> besides, remotes are _so_ 90s
Oct 05 20:59:39 <dawm__> dont forget the new ebos phone
Oct 05 20:59:41 <dawm__> webos
Oct 05 20:59:51 <summatusmentis> not happening
Oct 05 20:59:52 <dawm__> oh yeah.. i forgot.. we dont get one
Oct 05 20:59:52 <summatusmentis> ever
Oct 05 20:59:54 <summatusmentis> >:(
Oct 05 21:00:02 <seretogis> you mean the tricore one that samsung and htc are making?
Oct 05 21:00:06 <akanster> lol dawm__
Oct 05 21:00:14 <dawm__> tri? thought it was quad
Oct 05 21:00:27 <dwc-> quad? I thought it was penta
Oct 05 21:00:29 <dawm__> and runs on water
Oct 05 21:00:46 <seretogis> http://forums.precentral.net/future-webos-smartphones/296093-rumor-samsung-lunch-new-webos-tri-core-super-smart-phones.html
Oct 05 21:00:52 <seretogis> that guy totally knows what's going on
Oct 05 21:00:56 <seretogis> he saw it on a webpage
Oct 05 21:02:25 <akanster> Oh, and Nokia windows phone!
Oct 05 21:03:02 <seretogis> yeah, ICS/Nexus on the 11th and Nokia Windows phones on the 26th :D
Oct 05 21:03:29 <summatusmentis> a... tri-core device?
Oct 05 21:03:30 <summatusmentis> why?
Oct 05 21:04:21 <seretogis> it's not for real. it's one very confused fail-troll failing harrrddd
Oct 05 21:04:52 <seretogis> http://http://swipe.nokia.com <- this, with WP7 please.
Oct 05 21:05:17 <akanster> MORE HTTP!
Oct 05 21:05:35 <seretogis> http://http://http://http://http://swipe.noka.com
Oct 05 21:05:38 <seretogis> you asked, I delivered.
Oct 05 21:06:04 <akanster> :(
Oct 05 21:13:58 <torchie> does anyone know what ICS even is
Oct 05 21:15:09 <torchie> like someone decided to pass around the idea that it's going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread without google saying anything besides "it's gonna run on everything!" which has been the case for the entire lifecycle
Oct 05 21:15:24 <summatusmentis> there's a leaked video, apparently
Oct 05 21:15:31 <summatusmentis> but beyond that, "it's android"
Oct 05 21:15:54 <torchie> I'm just hoping it makes me regret NS4G over sprint iphone 4S a little less
Oct 05 21:16:13 <summatusmentis> color me skeptical
Oct 05 21:16:39 <torchie> it probably won't
Oct 05 21:16:51 <torchie> I mean in the past what, 3 months android just got trolled from all sides
Oct 05 21:16:55 <summatusmentis> although, I will say that the Google integration is the biggest reason to use android
Oct 05 21:17:03 <torchie> google integration with what
Oct 05 21:17:05 <summatusmentis> 3 months?
Oct 05 21:17:13 <summatusmentis> torchie: with the apps/OS
Oct 05 21:17:15 <torchie> gmail? doesn't everything do gmail
Oct 05 21:17:20 <torchie> calendar?
Oct 05 21:17:20 <summatusmentis> to an extent
Oct 05 21:17:27 <summatusmentis> nothing's gmail client is as good
Oct 05 21:17:40 <torchie> my pre- did gmail and synced with my google calendar
Oct 05 21:17:47 <dwc-> ICS to me is a windows feature for doing NAT :P
Oct 05 21:17:49 <torchie> and at least it let me search non-gmail messages too
Oct 05 21:17:50 <summatusmentis> yeah, and didn't thread messages
Oct 05 21:18:02 <summatusmentis> and wasn't good with labels
Oct 05 21:18:11 <akanster> google voice too
Oct 05 21:18:17 <torchie> what about the iphone's gmail
Oct 05 21:18:17 <akanster> the integration is sweet
Oct 05 21:18:32 <torchie> was thinking of doing the voice integration but eh
Oct 05 21:18:33 <summatusmentis> yeah, gvoice/gtalk/g+
Oct 05 21:18:57 <torchie> gtalk -- doesn't have a camera switch  button in video chat >:(
Oct 05 21:19:01 <akanster> I select an international number and just hit dial and it gets routed through google voice
Oct 05 21:19:07 <akanster> that is slick
Oct 05 21:19:13 <torchie> and misplaces the image of your face
Oct 05 21:19:24 <torchie> g+ is pretty sweet
Oct 05 21:19:40 <torchie> huddle's the answer to my mobile IM problems
Oct 05 21:19:49 <torchie> I'm wondering how long it's gonna be around
Oct 05 21:19:57 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping for a while
Oct 05 21:20:01 <summatusmentis> I think I like it better than FB
Oct 05 21:20:15 <torchie> FB app feels wonky on my nexus
Oct 05 21:20:22 <torchie> I don't use g+ for anything but huddle though
Oct 05 21:20:40 <torchie> the rest of g+ is like facebook but clunkier
Oct 05 21:20:43 <fxspec06> oh hey android on the touchpad, dual booting!
Oct 05 21:20:49 <torchie> which seems to be the life story for every google product that isn't search
Oct 05 21:20:50 <akanster> the android FB app got a rewrite a few version back.  Now it just pulls the mobile site
Oct 05 21:20:51 <fxspec06> "Limits currently include basically no usable storage, no Google apps, and – oh yeah – it’s in Chinese."
Oct 05 21:20:55 <akanster> versions*
Oct 05 21:21:14 <summatusmentis> torchie: yep, gmail is clunky as hell
Oct 05 21:21:22 <wrea> fxspec06, and slow as hell :P
Oct 05 21:21:27 <torchie> alright so it's mostly just G+ and android
Oct 05 21:21:30 <fxspec06> lmao!Q
Oct 05 21:21:38 <torchie> and docs mobile
Oct 05 21:21:45 <torchie> which is simultaneously awesome and infuriating
Oct 05 21:21:54 <akanster> it's maddening.
Oct 05 21:22:03 <torchie> and no longer cuts it in comparison to Pages + iCloud
Oct 05 21:23:02 <akanster> maps is excellent
Oct 05 21:23:17 <torchie> maps, earth, and nav are on point on android
Oct 05 21:23:24 <torchie> dunno about the ios versions
Oct 05 21:23:46 <summatusmentis> I don't know how I feel about iCloud
Oct 05 21:23:53 <summatusmentis> it seems like they're late to the game
Oct 05 21:24:04 <summatusmentis> also, Google gives me way more storage
Oct 05 21:24:27 <akanster> with iCloud, can you also retrieve & edit in a web browser?
Oct 05 21:24:38 <torchie> no, better
Oct 05 21:24:41 <torchie> you can do it from a native app
Oct 05 21:25:12 <summatusmentis> I think akanster is talking about on a non-apple device
Oct 05 21:25:16 <akanster> ^
Oct 05 21:25:24 <torchie> http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/images/documents_cloud.png
Oct 05 21:25:33 <torchie> dunno
Oct 05 21:25:46 <torchie> I'd have to own both an iOS device and a working computer that isn't a macintosh to test that
Oct 05 21:26:09 <summatusmentis> lolol
Oct 05 21:26:41 <torchie> alls I knows is Docs on android is basically one big, low-framerate clunky webview
Oct 05 21:26:47 <torchie> and it kind of makes me miss Inglorious Notes sometimes
Oct 05 21:29:04 <akanster> looks like you can download and edit on a PC.
Oct 05 21:36:13 <seretogis> I would hope that WP7 would have the best document editing experience
Oct 05 21:36:24 <seretogis> or, you know, just ribbons all over the place. *sob*
Oct 05 21:36:53 <rwhitby> morning
Oct 05 21:37:00 <seretogis> mornin' mr. whitby
Oct 05 21:37:23 <rwhitby> Looks like I'll be in the bay area next week: https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=184372741636879
Oct 05 21:38:38 <wrea> Wish I still lived in the bay area
Oct 05 21:39:19 <akanster> rwhitby: you should start a food fight at dinner!
Oct 05 21:39:49 <summatusmentis> I think they deport people for things like that
Oct 05 21:40:00 <torchie> problem with WP7 is microsoft isn't well versed in the art of not making tons of profit from Office
Oct 05 21:40:10 <rwhitby> akanster: why?
Oct 05 21:40:41 <seretogis> torchie: they're making oodles from the sales of Android phones, they don't need to worry about WP7 generating a profit yet
Oct 05 21:40:47 <torchie> lol
Oct 05 21:40:53 <akanster> who would expect rod whitby to throw mash potatoes across the table?
Oct 05 21:41:15 <torchie> and then someday wp7 will overtake android and it'll be a battle between nice phones and other nice phones
Oct 05 21:41:20 * torchie finger cross
Oct 05 21:42:07 <summatusmentis> nice phones that tie you to their platforms, and other nice phones that tie you to their platforms
Oct 05 21:42:27 <seretogis> yeah..
Oct 05 21:42:35 <summatusmentis> as much as I like apple products, I have a hard time swalling their vertical integration thing
Oct 05 21:42:44 <seretogis> at least WP and Android gives you options from multiple manufacturers.
Oct 05 21:42:44 <summatusmentis> swallowing
Oct 05 21:43:15 <seretogis> you aren't forced into a single product offering each year like with Apple / HPalm
Oct 05 21:43:26 <summatusmentis> oh, I meant the OS stuff
Oct 05 21:43:35 <summatusmentis> wp7 pretty much means you use windows
Oct 05 21:43:41 <summatusmentis> iOS pretty much means you use mac
Oct 05 21:43:46 <summatusmentis> if you want the "full experience"
Oct 05 21:43:48 <seretogis> for the most part, yeah
Oct 05 21:44:19 <summatusmentis> android pretty much means you use google
Oct 05 21:44:24 <summatusmentis> what if I want to mix things?
Oct 05 21:44:40 <summatusmentis> this is one of the biggest reasons that webOS is awesome, personally
Oct 05 21:44:56 <seretogis> yeah, a reason I've been hesitant to jump aboard WP7 is that I don't use MS services. hotmail? no. MSN/Live Messenger? no. Xbox? no.
Oct 05 21:45:03 <summatusmentis> right, exactly
Oct 05 21:45:29 <torchie> vertical integration is best integration
Oct 05 21:45:31 <torchie> can't you just like
Oct 05 21:45:35 <torchie> gmail it up on a windows phone or something
Oct 05 21:45:48 <seretogis> I'm not sure, outside of the browser (IE...)
Oct 05 21:45:50 <summatusmentis> you can
Oct 05 21:45:59 <summatusmentis> it has a full mail client, iirc
Oct 05 21:46:07 <torchie> bing bada boom™
Oct 05 21:46:09 <seretogis> google docs integration?
Oct 05 21:46:10 <akanster> summatusmentis: some people don't want to deal with different accounts like that.  with iOS, one company handles your purchases for apps, books, magazines, movies and music.  That is simple.
Oct 05 21:46:11 <summatusmentis> I don't know if contacts or calendar sync though
Oct 05 21:46:14 <torchie> the bing part might be hard to swallow though
Oct 05 21:46:19 <summatusmentis> akanster: I understand
Oct 05 21:46:21 <torchie> oh
Oct 05 21:46:23 <summatusmentis> but I already use Google
Oct 05 21:46:27 <torchie> lack of Gdocs integration would be hard
Oct 05 21:46:36 <summatusmentis> yeah
Oct 05 21:46:52 <summatusmentis> unfortunately, "cloud" is starting to mean "HANG OUT IN OUR CAMP ALL THE TIME"
Oct 05 21:46:55 <seretogis> I wish QuickOffice on the Pre 3 has the gdocs integration that the TouchPad ver has :(
Oct 05 21:46:56 <torchie> that's kind of one of the main things I do, notes in le cloud
Oct 05 21:47:34 <seretogis> yeah summatusmentis, it's not really the cloud when it is completely walled off from being accessible on other devices
Oct 05 21:47:59 <summatusmentis> seretogis: no, it's still technically cloud
Oct 05 21:48:03 <rwhitby> it's the cloud that always hangs over that pretty walled garden
Oct 05 21:48:06 <summatusmentis> it's just not better than syncing to a desktop
Oct 05 21:48:12 <summatusmentis> yeah, that
Oct 05 21:48:16 <seretogis> haha
Oct 05 21:48:35 <summatusmentis> even google doesn't provide APIs to some of their things
Oct 05 21:48:57 <seretogis> does reader even have an API yet?
Oct 05 21:49:09 <torchie> what's not better than syncing to a desktop
Oct 05 21:49:09 <summatusmentis> I don't think officially
Oct 05 21:49:24 <summatusmentis> torchie: "walled garden cloud"
Oct 05 21:49:34 <seretogis> thankfully the mobile web version is pretty nice, but ugh, there are some awful greader clients.
Oct 05 21:49:42 <torchie> I sure as hell wouldn't bother to connect my nexus to the my computer every 2 minutes
Oct 05 21:50:08 <akanster> seretogis: they do... hence the awesome nomnomnom from Tibfib_
Oct 05 21:50:20 <summatusmentis> akanster: I'm not sure that's an official api
Oct 05 21:50:26 <seretogis> it endlessly amused me that a cell phone -- a wireless device -- would ever need to be plugged in to sync anything.
Oct 05 21:50:30 <akanster> O RLY?
Oct 05 21:50:37 <eurisko> hi everyone i have been trying to set up a connection on my college to a 802.1x peap on my veer anyone can point me a tutorial/guide on how to do it?
Oct 05 21:51:03 <summatusmentis> torchie: I guess I meant in terms of "where your data is"
Oct 05 21:52:26 <Tibfib_> akanster: not an official api
Oct 05 21:52:32 <Tibfib_> I had to scrape that together
Oct 05 21:52:46 <akanster> I had no idea
Oct 05 21:52:51 <Tibfib_> yeah was a pain
Oct 05 21:53:12 <torchie> well in google's world your data is exclusively on the server with docs
Oct 05 21:53:22 <torchie> in apple's world it's local and in cloud
Oct 05 21:53:44 <akanster> torchie: Not always - http://www.dataliberation.org/
Oct 05 21:53:47 <seretogis> apple's cloud is more file syncing
Oct 05 21:54:03 <seretogis> versus something living up there and being editable / copyable to/from it
Oct 05 21:55:00 <torchie> so the issue is that apple's is simple while google's is reliable
Oct 05 21:57:15 <summatusmentis> yeh
Oct 05 22:09:17 <rwatkins> here a good one - safari mobile an object property cant be called 'new'.
Oct 05 22:09:23 <rwatkins> but can in Safari desktop.
Oct 05 22:09:33 <rwatkins> thanks guys.
Oct 05 22:10:12 <rwatkins> so when you go making controllers in Sencha Touch, dont name one of your actions 'new'.  lovely
Oct 05 22:39:01 <directhex> i think my touchstone just died
Oct 05 22:39:21 <directhex> hm, no, convinced the damn phone it exists
Oct 05 22:39:23 <directhex> blah
Oct 05 22:39:42 <dawm__> ugh wtf
Oct 05 22:39:47 <dawm__> i thought i was supposed to get an interview
Oct 05 22:40:00 <dawm__> this place wants me to start like tomorrow.. with some god awful shift
Oct 05 22:40:41 <fxspec06> so don't do it. why do you need it
Oct 05 22:40:50 <fxspec06> join the dark side. be a programmer
Oct 05 22:41:24 <dawm__> this is in the auto industry
Oct 05 22:41:59 <dawm__> 14 to 19hr, setting up axles on a dyno, turning bolts, cleaning up shop, fabricating brackets
Oct 05 22:42:09 <halfhalo> :/
Oct 05 22:42:17 <dawm__> aka a foot in the door
Oct 05 22:42:53 <fxspec06> jobs like that you're always feeding the big man
Oct 05 22:43:22 <dawm__> well see my current job.. theres no more up, im as high as i can go position/pay wise
Oct 05 22:43:31 <Tibfib_> so I'm working on a new webOS app
Oct 05 22:43:31 <dawm__> and its outdoor year round
Oct 05 22:43:33 <Tibfib_> why, I don't know.
Oct 05 22:43:46 <seretogis> Tibfib_: resume builder?
Oct 05 22:43:49 <fxspec06> as soon as you walk in they strap you in and make you bend over
Oct 05 22:43:54 <dawm__> its funny i get texted instead of called.. hell he even sent a vcard
Oct 05 22:44:01 <fxspec06> your back won't be straight for years -.-
Oct 05 22:44:05 <Tibfib_> seretogis: heh, I needed that a week ago
Oct 05 22:44:15 <dawm__> fxspec06, thats my job now
Oct 05 22:44:19 <dawm__> and no benefits
Oct 05 22:44:35 <dawm__> this one atleast has benefits and starts off more than i make now, and a buddy of mine works there (who got me 'hired')
Oct 05 22:45:55 <fxspec06> so they want you to start tomorrow eh? i'd be like, bitch i start monday and i'll come in 9-5 or no deal
Oct 05 22:46:47 <fxspec06> Tibfib_ -- koto
Oct 05 22:46:48 <dawm__> well i was expecting to hear about an interview monday, since mon/tues/wed are my off days.. figures they want me to call em tomorrow and setup an interview during the rest of the week and i have to work
Oct 05 22:46:54 <seretogis> the picker position on the TP is pretty .. random..
Oct 05 22:46:58 <Tibfib_> fxspec06: possibly
Oct 05 23:17:03 <fudge_palm> can anyone help me setup freetether
Oct 05 23:19:33 * halfhalo yawns
Oct 05 23:30:15 <dwc-> I think that was that dude that wanted to use freetether to do stuff it doesn't do
Oct 05 23:31:21 <SineOt> like support the personal kitten petting profile over bluetooth? :U
Oct 05 23:31:28 <dwc-> something like that
Oct 05 23:31:28 <dawm__> or applesauce making
Oct 05 23:31:35 <dawm__> XMBC stuff
Oct 05 23:41:25 <fxspec06> steve jobs is dead
Oct 05 23:42:14 <seretogis> hrm?
Oct 05 23:42:23 <fxspec06> he just died
Oct 05 23:42:49 <dawm__> nothing on google about that
Oct 05 23:42:51 <dawm__> i call bs
Oct 05 23:43:00 <rwatkins> not bs
Oct 05 23:43:04 <rwatkins> sad
Oct 05 23:43:18 <dawm__> source?
Oct 05 23:43:23 <rwatkins> AP
Oct 05 23:43:26 <fxspec06> http://www.ktvu.com/money/29400444/detail.html
Oct 05 23:43:36 <seretogis> http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&gcx=w&ix=c2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=steve+jobs#q=steve+jobs&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:h&sa=X&ei=7uqMTrKQOqbMsQKz5fzDBA&ved=0CAcQpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=3a8e0190eb5a90d2&biw=1176&bih=784
Oct 05 23:43:46 <rwatkins> http://twitter.com/#!/AP
Oct 05 23:45:50 <akanster> http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/10/06/steve-jobs-has-died/
Oct 05 23:45:53 <akanster> shit
Oct 05 23:46:14 <dawm__> http://gizmodo.com/5838847/steve-jobs-is-dead
Oct 05 23:46:19 <dawm__> SEpt 9th ..
Oct 05 23:47:03 <fxspec06> http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/
Oct 05 23:47:06 <fxspec06> wow
Oct 05 23:47:17 <akanster> :(
Oct 05 23:47:20 <seretogis> lol they had that up in a hurry
Oct 05 23:47:34 <dawm__> seretogis, look at the gizmondo article
Oct 05 23:47:38 <dawm__> its long.. really long
Oct 05 23:47:47 <dawm__> they had to have had it written prior
Oct 05 23:47:49 <rwatkins> everybody wrote these a long time ago
Oct 05 23:48:05 <rwatkins> newspapers have a ton on file
Oct 05 23:48:28 <dawm__> true
Oct 05 23:48:47 <SineOt> yeah, there's been a few cases recently where the writer of the obituary died before the person they wrote it for did
Oct 05 23:49:26 <akanster> CNN did that a few years back. release obits before the poeple had passed
Oct 05 23:49:46 <dawm__> gizmondo is dead..
Oct 05 23:50:08 <rwatkins> well.  that makes a good time to close my macbook tonight and go home and spend some time with teh kids.
Oct 05 23:50:11 <rwatkins> l8r
Oct 05 23:51:53 <halfhalo> well then
Oct 05 23:52:03 <dawm__> RIP Steve Jobs is trending already on twitter
Oct 05 23:52:13 <akanster> :(
Oct 05 23:52:15 <dwc-> you better hope the magic isn't gone and your macbook wakes up :P
Oct 05 23:52:20 <fxspec06> =[
Oct 05 23:52:31 <akanster> AAPL will take another beating tomorrow.
Oct 05 23:53:16 <dawm__> in other news.. xbox just posted about the new dash update
Oct 05 23:53:17 <dawm__> http://www.xbox.com/en-US/LIVE/partners?uid=6404667&tid=
Oct 05 23:53:26 <dawm__> youtube on xbox
Oct 05 23:53:32 <dawm__> hope its better than the ps3/tivo versions
Oct 05 23:54:00 <fxspec06> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/steve-jobs-reveals-apples-new-spaceship-campus-calls-it-the-b/
Oct 05 23:54:20 <SineOt> you know what's going to take a beating? Disney stock
Oct 05 23:54:32 <directhex> true
Oct 05 23:54:44 <akanster> screw that.  Lasseter is still at Pixar
Oct 05 23:54:45 <dwc-> pixar will be fine
Oct 05 23:54:59 <directhex> akanster: jobs was the biggest disney shareholder though
Oct 05 23:55:09 <SineOt> yeah, but he owns more stock than any of the Disneys combined
Oct 05 23:55:39 <akanster> I thought you were talking about creative direction.
Oct 05 23:55:41 <directhex> much like with next/apple "sure, buy my company, we'll just do a little stock exchanging and oops i own you now bitch"
Oct 05 23:55:49 <dwc-> so his estate still owns the stock
Oct 05 23:55:58 <dwc-> actually it's probably squirreled away in a trust or tax shelter
Oct 05 23:57:12 <halfhalo> iirc he has children
Oct 05 23:57:30 <dwc-> yes, and?
Oct 06 00:00:45 <seretogis> I'm going to dread the next few news cycles
Oct 06 00:05:21 <dawm__> yeah
Oct 06 00:05:31 <dawm__> sites are failing from traffic
Oct 06 00:05:45 <dawm__> im surprised the new channel hasnt broken in on the current show to report this
Oct 06 00:05:53 <seretogis> CEOs: the new celebrities
Oct 06 00:05:59 <akanster> http://www.apple.com/
Oct 06 00:06:00 <seretogis> celebrities: the new royalty
Oct 06 00:06:27 <dwc-> someone just wondered whether the 4s was the last straw that killed him
Oct 06 00:06:52 <dawm__> idiots
Oct 06 00:07:05 <dawm__> they only released the info, he died last month
Oct 06 00:07:14 <dawm__> they waited till after the 4s release
Oct 06 00:07:19 <dwc-> I haven't read any of it
Oct 06 00:07:26 <dawm__> yeah Sept 9th
Oct 06 00:08:09 <SineOt> they aren't that dumb, the SEC would have them on a stake for pulling something like that
Oct 06 00:08:22 <dwc-> where'd you get sep 9 from?
Oct 06 00:08:29 <dawm__> gizmondo article
Oct 06 00:08:38 <dwc-> the one you linked?
Oct 06 00:08:39 <dwc-> "Steven P. Jobs passed away on October 5th, 2011 after a long struggle with pancreatic cancer. He was just 56 years old"
Oct 06 00:08:52 <dawm__> hah they updated
Oct 06 00:08:59 <dawm__> what was sept 9th?
Oct 06 00:09:06 <dwc-> you tell me!
Oct 06 00:09:08 <SineOt> yeah, given it's length it was obviously written before hand
Oct 06 00:09:10 <dawm__> Steven P. Jobs passed away on Friday, September 9th, 2011 after a long struggle with pancreatic cancer. He was just 56 years old.
Oct 06 00:09:12 <Khaytsus> ever watched "Weekend at Benny's" ?
Oct 06 00:09:13 <dawm__> is what i had
Oct 06 00:09:38 <dawm__> did somethign happen in sept that they thought enough to update his death article?
Oct 06 00:09:39 <dwc-> bernies?
Oct 06 00:09:53 <dwc-> maybe it was originally written in sept
Oct 06 00:09:57 <Khaytsus> yeah, Bearnie's, that i's it
Oct 06 00:10:05 <dwc-> it's not uncommon for obits and press releases to be pre-written
Oct 06 00:10:13 <Khaytsus> His death was rescheduled for post-ipoon-refresh
Oct 06 00:10:17 <dwc-> occasionally they're accidentally released even though the person hasn't died yet
Oct 06 00:10:59 <eurisko> ahh is it possible to setup a PPTP vpn on the veer?
Oct 06 00:13:05 * dwc- wonders why the HP pptp thing in the catalog is only good on the TP
Oct 06 00:13:25 <dawm__> sugardave, way to go.. you killed jobs..
Oct 06 00:16:38 <CanyonMan> Hi, I have the webos 3 problem with it not talking to google talk, and I think I might know what the problem is, but I don't know how to fix it
Oct 06 00:17:02 <CanyonMan> When I get into the device and use netstat, I can see it's trying to connect to something: tcp        0      1 192.168.0.244:52821     74.125.225.24:5222      SYN_SENT
Oct 06 00:17:51 <CanyonMan> but it never succeeds.  But, even from a place with no firewall I can't connect to the xmpp client port on that address; and that address is NOT the same as talk.google.com  .... so I'm wondering what gives it the idea that that's the proper address?  Not DNS .... and if there is some setting somewhere in webos that would allow me to force it.  Any ideas?
Oct 06 00:19:05 <dawm__> thats a google ip fyi
Oct 06 00:19:16 <CanyonMan> yeah.  It's in one fo their /16 blocks
Oct 06 00:19:20 <bpadalino> have you tried rebooting the touchpad?
Oct 06 00:19:26 <CanyonMan> yeah sure did, several times
Oct 06 00:20:17 <Meetoman> http://isstevejobsalive.org/
Oct 06 00:20:17 <dwc-> you might want to check your /etc/hosts
Oct 06 00:20:26 <dwc-> and see if there's anything in there
Oct 06 00:20:38 <CanyonMan> good thought.  There isn't, just localhost.
Oct 06 00:20:46 <dwc-> it does appear to be a gtalk cluster though
Oct 06 00:20:53 <bpadalino> CanyonMan: have you tried checking /var/log/messages or dmesg to see if anything is crashing ?
Oct 06 00:21:04 * webOSNewbie is back
Oct 06 00:21:09 <dwc-> port 80 sends me to Location: http://www.google.com/talk/
Oct 06 00:21:18 <dwc-> see what getent hosts talk.google.com says?
Oct 06 00:21:44 <fxspec06> http://twitter.com/#!/_jaf0/status/121740737665695746
Oct 06 00:21:50 <fxspec06> l.o.l.
Oct 06 00:21:53 <CanyonMan> it just returns one address.  As far as I remember, xmpp itself can redirect you to another server, and they do laod balancing based on that
Oct 06 00:22:48 <webOSNewbie> What's load balancing?
Oct 06 00:23:09 <dwc-> right
Oct 06 00:23:26 <CanyonMan> I might not be using the correct word, but I'm talking about http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0051.html
Oct 06 00:24:23 <CanyonMan> Hrm so you're right.  My desktop is connected to 74.125.115.125:5222  which is in that same address range, making me think you're right.
Oct 06 00:24:26 <dwc-> netstat -ntp should tell you what process ID that is
Oct 06 00:25:11 <CanyonMan> that's another great idea
Oct 06 00:25:18 <dwc-> then you can have fun with strace
Oct 06 00:25:25 <dwc-> and/or tcpdump
Oct 06 00:25:31 <CanyonMan> 9379/imlibpurpletra
Oct 06 00:25:33 <CanyonMan> so it's libpurple
Oct 06 00:25:41 <dwc-> that's the messaging stuff
Oct 06 00:25:45 <CanyonMan> yup
Oct 06 00:25:47 * halfhalo shakes his fist at libpurple!!!
Oct 06 00:25:55 * CanyonMan shakes something else at it
Oct 06 00:26:32 <CanyonMan> so in order to strace it I would have to somehow start the messaging app myself, from novaterm I guess..... is that possible?
Oct 06 00:26:41 <dwc-> no
Oct 06 00:26:42 <dwc-> strace -p
Oct 06 00:26:43 <halfhalo> so... i'm betting my campus library is going to explode with steve jobs news in 15 minutes...
Oct 06 00:27:09 <CanyonMan> holy merde,  I was unaware of -p
Oct 06 00:27:23 <eurisko> fxspec06, life is so unfair
Oct 06 00:27:43 <webOSNewbie> What's libpurple?
Oct 06 00:27:47 <eurisko> but thinking well elop is still alive
Oct 06 00:27:47 <dwc-> francophile quebecois?
Oct 06 00:28:07 <CanyonMan> libpurple is pretty much THE native library for xmpp
Oct 06 00:28:16 <CanyonMan> pidgin is built on libpurple as are many other things
Oct 06 00:28:19 <CanyonMan> it's fairly awful
Oct 06 00:28:26 <webOSNewbie> What's XMPP
Oct 06 00:28:26 <fxspec06> yep life is cruel =(
Oct 06 00:28:40 * webOSNewbie got it confused with XAMPP
Oct 06 00:28:50 <CanyonMan> XMPP is kind of like a cheeseburger, but when you eat it you get salmonella poisoning
Oct 06 00:28:53 <halfhalo> webOSNewbie.  google.  use it.
Oct 06 00:29:13 * webOSNewbie needs to eat dinner
Oct 06 00:29:17 <CanyonMan> I got the official HP keyboard for touchpad today, btw, I like it :D
Oct 06 00:29:35 <dwc-> eurisko: you might try copying the files from the touchpad package
Oct 06 00:29:51 <CanyonMan> I wish strace would show me more of the arguments....    write(1, "(20:24:32) proxy: Connected to g"..., 47) = 47
Oct 06 00:29:58 <eurisko> dwc what files?
Oct 06 00:29:59 <dwc-> man strace
Oct 06 00:30:19 <dwc-> eurisko: nevermind, the config stuff looks like it's enyo
Oct 06 00:30:54 <eurisko> oh you talking about the vpn stuff?
Oct 06 00:31:00 <dwc-> yes
Oct 06 00:31:34 <CanyonMan> Holy Crap look at this     write(1, "(20:28:33) prefs: purple_prefs_get_string: Unknown pref /purple/network/preferred_local_ip_address\n", 99
Oct 06 00:31:53 <CanyonMan> there's a preferences file somewhere.  Must find it!
Oct 06 00:32:34 <CanyonMan> wow.  It's trying to connect to gmail.com port 5222
Oct 06 00:33:21 <dwc-> too bad, I could have liked that pref
Oct 06 00:33:27 <CanyonMan> haha
Oct 06 00:35:06 <halfhalo> holycrap
Oct 06 00:35:10 <halfhalo> I heard aim
Oct 06 00:39:01 <seretogis> anyone here make their own music / sound effects for apps?
Oct 06 00:39:23 <halfhalo> yes
Oct 06 00:39:36 <seretogis> what do you use for this task?
Oct 06 00:39:40 <seretogis> tool-wise
Oct 06 00:39:40 <halfhalo> whenever i open an app I go "phrooooom!"
Oct 06 00:39:48 <seretogis> oh geez lol ;p
Oct 06 00:41:18 <CanyonMan> HA!
Oct 06 00:41:45 <CanyonMan> I got it connect by putting a hosts entry for gmail.com that is actually the address of talk.google.com
Oct 06 00:41:48 <CanyonMan> What the crap man :D
Oct 06 00:41:55 <halfhalo> google hates you
Oct 06 00:41:59 <CanyonMan> I know!
Oct 06 00:42:28 <CanyonMan> The problem here is that synergy messaging doesn't allow you to enter a different server address from the account address
Oct 06 00:42:46 <CanyonMan> in other words, my login is something@gmail.com so it says "ahh hah, his xmpp server is gmail.com!"  which it's not !
Oct 06 00:43:33 <SineOt> Shouldn't be an issue though, I use my Google Talk fine from the touchpad o_o
Oct 06 00:45:17 <dwc-> dtzWill: CanyonMan it is if you're using the "google" accounts
Oct 06 00:45:32 <dwc-> regardless of what the login is, it's on their servers
Oct 06 00:45:44 <dwc-> s/dtzWill: CanyonMan/CanyonMan:/
Oct 06 00:46:05 <CanyonMan> hmm
Oct 06 00:46:35 <leiru_web> Tibfib_: you start developing for webOS again?
Oct 06 00:47:46 <CanyonMan> i wonder if a hosts file hack is sufficient then or what
Oct 06 00:48:13 <dwc-> what are you trying to do? use a non-google account XMPP?
Oct 06 00:48:30 <CanyonMan> nah
Oct 06 00:48:43 <CanyonMan> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/293047-google-talk-not-logging-touchpad-messaging.html
Oct 06 00:48:50 <CanyonMan> I am trying to get to the bottom of that exact issue
Oct 06 00:48:58 <CanyonMan> except doctor is definitely NOT the answer
Oct 06 00:49:17 <dwc-> tcpdump your dns queries and connection attempts
Oct 06 00:49:18 <CanyonMan> people keep saying "Change your firewall!"  but that's bullcrap too
Oct 06 00:49:53 <CanyonMan> I can see what it's doing.  It is trying to connect to various google addresses port 5222, but those addresses (ok the servers on them) aren't listening on that port
Oct 06 00:50:04 <CanyonMan> I've confirmed this by netcatting to a bunch of them to that port and they're just not listening there
Oct 06 00:50:22 <bpadalino> so where does it get the list of servers from ?
Oct 06 00:50:28 <CanyonMan> dns
Oct 06 00:50:33 <dwc-> that's fine. I just want to know where it's connecting and what names it's doing it under
Oct 06 00:51:50 <CanyonMan> yeah.  Well strace actually shows me what it's trying to connect to.  It's just "gmail.com"
Oct 06 00:51:58 <dwc-> and then I could do something like, compare it to how it works on my system
Oct 06 00:52:39 <dwc-> (or other people)
Oct 06 00:52:52 <CanyonMan> sure
Oct 06 00:53:15 <CanyonMan> the login server for google talk is *always* talk.google.com  afaik.    I'm looking for documentation to confirm that.
Oct 06 00:53:44 <CanyonMan> so let me examine that tcpdump idea
Oct 06 01:02:34 <CanyonMan> wow this is nice.
Oct 06 01:06:11 <CanyonMan> http://www.ailis.de/~k/archives/56-Generic-Jabber-XMPP-with-webOS.html
Oct 06 01:08:52 <CanyonMan> so whatever version I have doesn't do that.
Oct 06 01:09:07 <CanyonMan> accorfding to 'strings' on /usr/lib/purple-2/*
Oct 06 01:10:30 <CanyonMan> ooooh yes it does it's in /usr/bin/imlibpurpletransport
Oct 06 01:10:33 <CanyonMan> fascinating.
Oct 06 01:11:51 * webOSNewbie is back
Oct 06 01:11:56 <fxspec06> "When you first start off trying to solve a problem, the first solutions you come up with are very complex, and most people stop there. But if you keep going, and live with the problem and peel more layers of the onion off, you can often times arrive at some very elegant and simple solutions."
Oct 06 01:12:01 <fxspec06> that's probably my favorite quote
Oct 06 01:47:58 <CanyonMan> i think i found the bug.
Oct 06 01:48:26 <CanyonMan> if (strcmp(prplProtocolId, "prpl-jabber") == 0  && g_str_has_suffix(transportFriendlyUserName, "@gmail.com") == FALSE && g_str_has_suffix(transportFriendlyUserName, "@googlemail.com") == FALSE)
Oct 06 01:48:39 <CanyonMan> if all those things are true, then it changes connect_server to talk.google.com
Oct 06 01:48:45 <CanyonMan> but they can't ever all be true
Oct 06 01:48:58 <CanyonMan> because it either ends in gmail.com or it ends in googlemail.com but it can't end in both
Oct 06 01:49:05 <CanyonMan> so it'll never do the part where it maps to talk.google.com
Oct 06 01:49:50 <bpadalino> it was a logic bomb!
Oct 06 01:50:37 <CanyonMan> g_str_has_suffix ()  Looks whether the string str ends with suffix.
Oct 06 01:50:42 <CanyonMan> yeah i interpreted what it does correctly
Oct 06 01:51:16 <CanyonMan> I'm not smart enough to hack the binary
Oct 06 01:51:20 <bpadalino> really ?
Oct 06 01:51:29 <bpadalino> you can't sed googlemail.com string to be gmail.com
Oct 06 01:51:37 <bpadalino> sure you can!
Oct 06 01:51:40 <CanyonMan> no
Oct 06 01:51:49 <CanyonMan> well
Oct 06 01:52:01 <CanyonMan> i might be able to change googlemail.com to googlemail.com\0
Oct 06 01:52:03 <CanyonMan> maybe
Oct 06 01:52:05 <CanyonMan> haha
Oct 06 01:52:09 <CanyonMan> or rather change it to gmail.com\
Oct 06 01:52:12 <bpadalino> right
Oct 06 01:53:19 <CanyonMan> i don't even know for sure that this source is really the source that built that
Oct 06 01:53:23 <CanyonMan> i read somewhere it doesn't
Oct 06 01:53:33 <bpadalino> hrm, where did you find the source ?
Oct 06 01:53:45 <CanyonMan> http://opensource.palm.com/3.0.2/index.html
Oct 06 01:54:04 <bpadalino> oh, then that should be fine
Oct 06 01:54:10 <CanyonMan> crap
Oct 06 01:54:14 <CanyonMan> I'm not even set up to build that.
Oct 06 01:54:15 <CanyonMan> are you?
Oct 06 01:54:23 <bpadalino> not me, nope
Oct 06 01:54:38 <bpadalino> the widk might be able to set you up ..
Oct 06 01:54:48 <CanyonMan> what the hell is that
Oct 06 01:54:51 <bpadalino> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Installation_on_Ubuntu_for_webOS_PDK_cross_compiling
Oct 06 01:56:45 <CanyonMan> good grief
Oct 06 01:56:47 <CanyonMan> look at that
Oct 06 01:59:05 <CanyonMan> that is a lot of steps dude.
Oct 06 01:59:35 <CanyonMan> brian the official PDK is on OSX right?
Oct 06 01:59:45 <CanyonMan> So you know you want to let me use your computer to build this :)
Oct 06 01:59:48 <bpadalino> yes, and windows
Oct 06 01:59:57 <CanyonMan> oh windows?  oh
Oct 06 01:59:59 <CanyonMan> i can do that
Oct 06 02:00:07 <CanyonMan> if it's easier to set up than all this gook
Oct 06 02:00:17 <bpadalino> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#c23272
Oct 06 02:01:34 <Shadyman1> I'd also imagine there has been 20 people posting about Steve Jobs
Oct 06 02:01:50 <Shadyman1> s/has/have
Oct 06 02:03:06 <CanyonMan> Note: PDK development is now supported for Linux. See the Linux download section below for more information.
Oct 06 02:03:09 <CanyonMan> yay
Oct 06 02:03:29 * webOSNewbie is using Ubuntu right now
Oct 06 02:03:50 <bpadalino> oh there you go
Oct 06 02:04:34 <webOSNewbie> Wish I had wriiten down my XP license down though
Oct 06 02:04:51 <webOSNewbie> I just lost 100 or so bucks
Oct 06 02:04:54 <bpadalino> that looks to just be the SDK, not the PDK tho ?
Oct 06 02:05:02 <webOSNewbie> hello ajay
Oct 06 02:05:11 <ajay> are people getting kb'd for talking about android in a card?  :)
Oct 06 02:05:21 <webOSNewbie> kb?
Oct 06 02:05:29 <ajay> webOSNewbie: hi.. i was about to ask if you were a new bot because you were so quick to say hi :)  hello all others!
Oct 06 02:05:52 <ajay> kicked+banned :)  (not to be confused with knowledge base)
Oct 06 02:06:20 <CanyonMan> haha a new bot
Oct 06 02:06:23 <CanyonMan> "Hi, are you a NEW bot?"
Oct 06 02:06:33 <webOSNewbie> no
Oct 06 02:06:36 <CanyonMan> well then
Oct 06 02:06:39 <ajay> ooooooo it's so exciting (if you ask me!)  just what i've been waiting for..
Oct 06 02:06:40 <CanyonMan> you must be an OLD bot!
Oct 06 02:06:47 <ajay> oh, my bad
Oct 06 02:06:51 <webOSNewbie> I'm just a 13 year old trying to program
Oct 06 02:06:53 <ajay> musta been rename or somethin ;^)
Oct 06 02:07:03 <CanyonMan> a 13 year old eh?
Oct 06 02:07:05 <ajay> webOSNewbie: you're a _real_ old bot, wow
Oct 06 02:07:29 <webOSNewbie> Where's twbbas?
Oct 06 02:09:04 <CanyonMan> whew, I now have a compiler arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc (GCC) 4.3.3
Oct 06 02:09:11 <webOSNewbie> ?
Oct 06 02:09:37 <CanyonMan> ok
Oct 06 02:09:45 <CanyonMan> I'm not reasonably confident I can fix this :D
Oct 06 02:09:49 <webOSNewbie> Compiler for what?
Oct 06 02:09:51 <bpadalino> :)
Oct 06 02:10:13 <webOSNewbie> Have there been bots here?
Oct 06 02:10:25 <webOSNewbie> Hi mooijk
Oct 06 02:10:57 <leiru_web> weew. 04 AM
Oct 06 02:11:09 <leiru_web> *yawn*
Oct 06 02:11:13 <webOSNewbie> Haha 8:08 pm
Oct 06 02:11:22 <leiru_web> you live in the past!
Oct 06 02:11:22 * ajay wonders if 13 y.o.'s are often very sensitive
Oct 06 02:11:32 <leiru_web> :)
Oct 06 02:11:40 <webOSNewbie> Ok
Oct 06 02:11:52 * ajay is so needy.. REALLY wants a 3g/fauxG/64GB touchpad now.. gah
Oct 06 02:11:58 <webOSNewbie> I still feel like I'm 12
Oct 06 02:12:11 <webOSNewbie> I turned 13 in August
Oct 06 02:12:25 <CanyonMan> or not.  MIssing include files.
Oct 06 02:12:40 <bpadalino> whoops
Oct 06 02:12:43 <webOSNewbie> hehe
Oct 06 02:12:54 <bpadalino> you might be better off hexediting the strings
Oct 06 02:12:57 <webOSNewbie> What's an include file?
Oct 06 02:13:11 <bpadalino> and making googlemail.com into gmail.com\0\0\0\0\0
Oct 06 02:13:40 <CanyonMan> the logic in that thing is really screwed up
Oct 06 02:13:52 <CanyonMan> it's if something && it ends in gmail.com && it ends in googlemail.com
Oct 06 02:14:03 <CanyonMan> == FALSE
Oct 06 02:14:04 <CanyonMan> it's
Oct 06 02:14:06 <CanyonMan> that's wrong
Oct 06 02:14:14 <CanyonMan> what I'd have to do is perturb the gmail one
Oct 06 02:14:19 <CanyonMan> there's no real way to fix it, it's just wrong.
Oct 06 02:14:32 <webOSNewbie> Yuck!
Oct 06 02:14:38 <bpadalino> no - if you make them both compare to gmail.com, which you have ..
Oct 06 02:14:44 <bpadalino> then it should pass
Oct 06 02:14:47 <bpadalino> shouldn't it ?
Oct 06 02:14:49 <CanyonMan> no i
Oct 06 02:14:52 <CanyonMan> no
Oct 06 02:14:57 <wrea> ajay, still dont have my veer :P
Oct 06 02:15:03 <CanyonMan> if (strcmp(prplProtocolId, "prpl-jabber") == 0  && g_str_has_suffix(transportFriendlyUserName, "@gmail.com") == FALSE && g_str_has_suffix(transportFriendlyUserName, "@googlemail.com") == FALSE)
Oct 06 02:15:13 <CanyonMan> so it has to NOT end in EITHER of those things
Oct 06 02:15:38 <CanyonMan> and prplProtocolId has to be prpl-jabber which it probably is if that just means that the protocol is xmpp
Oct 06 02:15:55 <CanyonMan> so really what i have to do is perturb the gmail.com one i think
Oct 06 02:15:56 <CanyonMan> let me see
Oct 06 02:15:57 <seretogis> wreaths of flowers appearing outside of Apple stores in 3.. 2.. 1..
Oct 06 02:16:01 <CanyonMan> what hexeditor should I use
Oct 06 02:16:15 <bpadalino> vim works well
Oct 06 02:17:43 <ajay> wrea: oh was it a veer you shipped back?  Hrmm.. sorry! :(
Oct 06 02:17:51 <CanyonMan> geeze
Oct 06 02:17:54 <CanyonMan> do you think google account names are case sensitive?
Oct 06 02:17:59 <leiru_web> i shout out "emacs" to start off a heavy discussion about emacs vs vim :D
Oct 06 02:18:06 <seretogis> vim vim vim!
Oct 06 02:18:13 * seretogis shoves leiru_web
Oct 06 02:18:14 <leiru_web> lol
Oct 06 02:18:34 <seretogis> that's right. this war is ESCALATED.
Oct 06 02:18:54 <seretogis> s/is/has/
Oct 06 02:18:57 <webOSNewbie> ?
Oct 06 02:19:22 <wrea> ajay, last week they said it was shipped to me 2nd day. Still not here and today they told me the status hasnt been updated yet and is now escalated and im going to get a callback about sometime
Oct 06 02:19:29 <wrea> im so pissed
Oct 06 02:19:35 <bpadalino> CanyonMan: it might tolower() before it sends it down into there
Oct 06 02:19:49 <webOSNewbie> My dad didn't get his employee TouchPad yet
Oct 06 02:19:50 <bpadalino> but i don't think so
Oct 06 02:20:06 <bpadalino> even things like first.last@gmail.com used to send to firstlast@gmail.com for a while
Oct 06 02:20:44 <webOSNewbie> Why won't it?
Oct 06 02:20:57 <CanyonMan> ok
Oct 06 02:21:01 <CanyonMan> so it still runs sorta
Oct 06 02:21:13 <webOSNewbie> I'm lost
Oct 06 02:21:14 <seretogis> first.last > firstlast still works
Oct 06 02:21:19 <bpadalino> oh does it ?
Oct 06 02:21:21 <seretogis> yep
Oct 06 02:21:24 <bpadalino> amusing
Oct 06 02:21:27 <seretogis> handy for spam filtering
Oct 06 02:22:16 <CanyonMan> (process:16363): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Attempted to register for a service name that already exists: com.palm.imlibpurple
Oct 06 02:22:23 <CanyonMan> i don't know what that means but I'm betting a reboot will fix it.
Oct 06 02:22:59 * webOSNewbie is REALLY confused
Oct 06 02:23:06 <CanyonMan> is it genetic?
Oct 06 02:23:16 <webOSNewbie> I don't think so
Oct 06 02:23:33 <SineOt> yeah, the period stuff is handy
Oct 06 02:23:42 <SineOt> mix it with + and it's even better
Oct 06 02:23:59 <webOSNewbie> What do you mean by . and +?
Oct 06 02:24:44 <SineOt> Say my email is fuzzyotter@gmail.com yeah? I can do fuzzy.otter@gmail.com and still get it, or fuzzyotter+arecute@gmail.com and still get it
Oct 06 02:25:05 <webOSNewbie> Why would you want that?
Oct 06 02:25:05 <SineOt> of course + doesn't work when the email fields aren't set up to allow + as a character in an email
Oct 06 02:25:25 <SineOt> easier to sort based on where the email is coming from
Oct 06 02:25:39 <webOSNewbie> What if your address really is fuzzy.otter@gmail.com
Oct 06 02:25:46 <SineOt> sign up on amazon, add +amazon and set up a rule that anything to that address gets tagged different, etc
Oct 06 02:26:10 <webOSNewbie> Tagged for what?
Oct 06 02:26:22 <SineOt> Sorting
Oct 06 02:26:31 * halfhalo bets sineots email is fuzzyotter@gmail
Oct 06 02:26:46 <SineOt> It's not surprisingly!
Oct 06 02:26:50 <halfhalo> ...
Oct 06 02:26:55 <webOSNewbie> Is it available?
Oct 06 02:27:03 <SineOt> Dunno, probably
Oct 06 02:27:04 <webOSNewbie> Maybe one could get it
Oct 06 02:27:07 <bpadalino> oh interesting .. i never even knew about the +blah stuff
Oct 06 02:27:08 <bpadalino> very neat
Oct 06 02:27:19 <webOSNewbie> +... for what?
Oct 06 02:27:27 <SineOt> for emails
Oct 06 02:27:29 <bpadalino> http://lifehacker.com/144397/instant-disposable-gmail-addresses
Oct 06 02:27:33 <bpadalino> very useful
Oct 06 02:27:34 <bpadalino> neat
Oct 06 02:27:35 <webOSNewbie> oh
Oct 06 02:28:39 <webOSNewbie> wow!
Oct 06 02:29:55 <webOSNewbie> Is it possible to get the Mojo source?  It would be interesting to use the framwork on my own website.
Oct 06 02:30:13 <CanyonMan> write(1, "(22:24:16) gnutls: Starting handshake with talk.google.com\n", 59) = 59
Oct 06 02:30:20 <CanyonMan> so that part seemed to have worked UNTIL
Oct 06 02:30:34 <sugardave> You can look at the source for Mojo, but I don't think the license lets you run it on your server
Oct 06 02:31:53 <webOSNewbie> Where can I see it?
Oct 06 02:32:14 <halfhalo> on device
Oct 06 02:32:19 <sugardave> I think it's in the SDK installation directory somewhere
Oct 06 02:32:24 <CanyonMan> certificate/x509/tls_cached: Name mismatch: Certificate given for talk.google.com has a name of gmail.com
Oct 06 02:32:24 <webOSNewbie> ok
Oct 06 02:32:35 <CanyonMan> I can't tell if that's a warning or an "I give up forever"
Oct 06 02:32:47 * webOSNewbie loves ubuntu's virtual desktops.  Parents peek, switch to homework desktop
Oct 06 02:33:43 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 06 02:34:05 <webOSNewbie> I'm not kidding
Oct 06 02:34:09 <halfhalo> SPEAKING of laptops, my brother managed to break the windows one I lent him.  bastard.
Oct 06 02:34:39 <CanyonMan> halfhalo: that sounds like transparent negligence
Oct 06 02:34:43 <webOSNewbie> Physically or logically?
Oct 06 02:34:55 <webOSNewbie> Hardware or software?
Oct 06 02:35:19 <halfhalo> He blew the video card.  Thats like the 3rd one I've replaced
Oct 06 02:36:14 <halfhalo> and they get pricey to replace as well.  Tempted to just part it out
Oct 06 02:36:29 <webOSNewbie> How do you blow THAT?
Oct 06 02:37:15 <halfhalo> by virtue of it being an nvidia card
Oct 06 02:38:12 <halfhalo> If I wasn't so lazy I would let him use the thinkpad.  Let him try to break THAT.
Oct 06 02:38:34 <CanyonMan> brian that didn't fix it.  I think it forced it to try, but then it freaked out about the certificate that came back from it.  So maybe that's why it's a bogus logic flaw
Oct 06 02:38:40 <dwc-> CanyonMan: if (prplProtocolId == "prpl-jabber" && !endsWith("@gmail.com") && !endsWith("@googlemail.com")
Oct 06 02:38:41 <CanyonMan> maybe that fix just plain doesn't work
Oct 06 02:38:44 <dwc-> that seems reasonable to me
Oct 06 02:39:07 <dwc-> if it's a google account that doesn't end in gmail or googlemail, then force it to use talk.google.com, because it's likely going to try it as an apps-for-domains
Oct 06 02:39:09 * webOSNewbie thinks it's so ironic that Lenovo has a ThinkPad tablet
Oct 06 02:39:21 <webOSNewbie> Isn't that the initial design?
Oct 06 02:39:36 <halfhalo> Lenovo owns the thinkpad brand.... how the hell is that ironic
Oct 06 02:39:45 <CanyonMan> dwc-: but in my case it actually *is* an @gmail.com  login/account
Oct 06 02:39:58 <dwc-> so then I would assume the default logic would then apply
Oct 06 02:40:06 <dwc-> which is probably something involving dns records
Oct 06 02:40:13 <CanyonMan> and map to talk.google.com correct?  that's waht I'd expect
Oct 06 02:40:15 <CanyonMan> is that what you'd expect?
Oct 06 02:40:27 <dwc-> probably
Oct 06 02:40:33 <CanyonMan> let me put it this way dwc
Oct 06 02:40:41 <CanyonMan> I'm running pidgin right now and it's connected to google talk
Oct 06 02:40:57 <CanyonMan> bugt to make that happen I had to say login: cpiggott@gmail.com, but go to ADVANCED and set "Connect server" to "talk.google.com"
Oct 06 02:40:59 <CanyonMan> or it won't work
Oct 06 02:41:04 <CanyonMan> and libpidgin is libpidgin so it's the same thing
Oct 06 02:41:14 <webOSNewbie> What's excess flood?
Oct 06 02:41:25 <dwc-> that's odd
Oct 06 02:41:27 <dwc-> I'm running pidgin
Oct 06 02:41:29 <sugardave> too much flooding
Oct 06 02:41:32 <CanyonMan> and you didn't have to do that???
Oct 06 02:41:33 <halfhalo> ...
Oct 06 02:41:37 <dwc-> nope
Oct 06 02:41:41 <CanyonMan> Huh!!!
Oct 06 02:41:49 <dwc-> xmpp
Oct 06 02:41:51 <dwc-> username
Oct 06 02:41:57 <dwc-> domain: gmail.com
Oct 06 02:41:59 <fxspec06> pidgin is amazing
Oct 06 02:42:11 <fxspec06> but i still like adium better.
Oct 06 02:42:12 <dwc-> I have it set to require encryption
Oct 06 02:42:20 <webOSNewbie> What is flooding, in terms of IRC?
Oct 06 02:42:20 <dwc-> and connect to 5222, which is default
Oct 06 02:42:51 <dwc-> it means the client has a bunch fo messages waiting for it
Oct 06 02:42:52 <CanyonMan> you know what seems to "fix" this though?  this is really wacky.
Oct 06 02:42:58 <sugardave> webOSNewbie: I think the server suspects that connection/socket of sending too many packets
Oct 06 02:42:59 <CanyonMan> hosts file:  adding 209.85.225.125 gmail.com
Oct 06 02:43:11 <CanyonMan> which is the address of talk.google.com
Oct 06 02:43:19 <CanyonMan> I do that and it seems to work.  And for some reason, gmail seems to still work as well.
Oct 06 02:43:23 <dwc-> ^an address of
Oct 06 02:43:23 <webOSNewbie> sugardave: oh
Oct 06 02:43:39 * halfhalo gets excess floods all the time
Oct 06 02:43:40 <CanyonMan> possibly an address of?
Oct 06 02:43:45 <CanyonMan> would getent sho wme all of them?
Oct 06 02:43:48 <dwc-> no
Oct 06 02:44:02 <dwc-> for one, geographic
Oct 06 02:44:06 <dwc-> for two, round-robin
Oct 06 02:44:11 <CanyonMan> In that case, this seems like a rather risky "solution"
Oct 06 02:44:22 <dwc-> for three, internet routing
Oct 06 02:45:00 <webOSNewbie> CenturyLink is upgrading us to fiber-optic from our old Quest.  What's the point?
Oct 06 02:45:35 <dwc-> CanyonMan: the reason I asked about a tcpdump
Oct 06 02:45:47 <halfhalo> faster internet is always better
Oct 06 02:46:02 <dwc-> is because XMPP DNS resolution goes through a number of steps before just going to the A records
Oct 06 02:46:11 <dwc-> e.g. looking for SRV records
Oct 06 02:46:26 <CanyonMan> Oh yeah?  huh
Oct 06 02:46:36 <webOSNewbie> dwc: How is our internet going to be faster?
Oct 06 02:46:46 <webOSNewbie> Oh, hi VertedTP
Oct 06 02:46:48 <dwc-> webOSNewbie: ask them, not me
Oct 06 02:46:54 <webOSNewbie> VersedTP
Oct 06 02:47:24 <dwc-> I could put in fiber-optic between my work PC and the data center downstairs, but my internet wouldn't get any faster
Oct 06 02:47:33 <halfhalo> lies
Oct 06 02:47:39 <CanyonMan> ok so an SRV record is kind of like a pointer for a specific named service, by proto/port, which directs it to a specific server
Oct 06 02:48:07 <webOSNewbie> Is webOS dead?
Oct 06 02:48:21 <halfhalo> no
Oct 06 02:48:37 <CanyonMan> if I did this:
Oct 06 02:48:38 <CanyonMan> nslookup
Oct 06 02:48:40 <CanyonMan> set type=ANY
Oct 06 02:48:42 <CanyonMan> talk.google.com
Oct 06 02:48:48 <CanyonMan> it should show me if there wer indeed any right
Oct 06 02:49:06 <webOSNewbie> ow...
Oct 06 02:49:09 <sugardave> I'm running webOS on multiple devices right now
Oct 06 02:49:15 * webOSNewbie stubbed his toe on the stairs
Oct 06 02:49:16 <sugardave> it's pretty lively
Oct 06 02:49:29 <webOSNewbie> Phone + tablet?
Oct 06 02:49:34 <sugardave> sure
Oct 06 02:49:40 <webOSNewbie> Any others?
Oct 06 02:49:47 <CanyonMan> yeah. I think it would  I can't be sure though.  I'm looking to try to see if there's an actual srv record and I don't see one, nor do I see one on gmail.com but i mean who knows
Oct 06 02:49:55 <halfhalo> many phones, many tablets!
Oct 06 02:50:10 <webOSNewbie> Hello Meetoman
Oct 06 02:50:22 <webOSNewbie> Hi hemna
Oct 06 02:50:35 <CanyonMan> I see what you mean about xmpp looking for srv records though.   I see it in the spec now that you mention it.
Oct 06 02:51:11 <CanyonMan> What I can't tell for sure if whether or not libpurple was actually doing that; when I did tcpdump I guess I didn't set the verbosity high enough to see anything interesting
Oct 06 02:51:28 <dwc-> $ host -t SRV _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com
Oct 06 02:51:28 <dwc-> _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com has SRV record 20 0 5222 alt4.talk.l.google.com.
Oct 06 02:51:28 <dwc-> _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com has SRV record 5 0 5222 talk.l.google.com.
Oct 06 02:51:28 <dwc-> _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com has SRV record 20 0 5222 alt1.talk.l.google.com.
Oct 06 02:51:30 <dwc-> _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com has SRV record 20 0 5222 alt2.talk.l.google.com.
Oct 06 02:51:33 <dwc-> _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com has SRV record 20 0 5222 alt3.talk.l.google.com.
Oct 06 02:51:44 <CanyonMan> ahhhhhhhhh
Oct 06 02:51:52 <webOSNewbie> Why libpurple?  Why not libgreen or libblue?
Oct 06 02:52:06 <halfhalo> because?
Oct 06 02:52:17 <dwc-> because the pidgin is purple
Oct 06 02:52:18 <halfhalo> when the hell did software developers make sense?
Oct 06 02:52:28 <hemna> :)
Oct 06 02:52:37 <webOSNewbie> Ag
Oct 06 02:52:38 <webOSNewbie> ah
Oct 06 02:52:54 <webOSNewbie> Why would one make a bot for IRC?
Oct 06 02:52:57 * halfhalo has shiny att pre3
Oct 06 02:52:59 <halfhalo> your a bot
Oct 06 02:53:07 <dwc-> activate it with an at&t sime
Oct 06 02:53:10 <dwc-> sim
Oct 06 02:53:21 <dwc-> I think there might be a carrier restriction on skype in the appcat
Oct 06 02:53:24 * dwc- shakes fist
Oct 06 02:53:29 <halfhalo> I plan on it.  since... you know.... i have att
Oct 06 02:53:37 <webOSNewbie> So, anyone who isn't ancient is a bot?
Oct 06 02:53:41 <fxspec06> nobody makes sense, people make money
Oct 06 02:53:47 <halfhalo> but it was shipped from sf today, so getting here tomorrow or friday
Oct 06 02:53:54 <halfhalo> old coworkers ftw
Oct 06 02:54:04 <dwc-> I thought you were getting a special one
Oct 06 02:54:07 <fxspec06> halfhalo: so will that be your 3rd or 4th pre 3
Oct 06 02:54:14 <dwc-> that doesn't seem very special
Oct 06 02:54:20 <webOSNewbie> I have no money for any device
Oct 06 02:54:24 <halfhalo> 1st, but i have a vzw on its way theoretically as well
Oct 06 02:54:35 <fxspec06> are you going to be selling the vzw one
Oct 06 02:54:42 <halfhalo> no
Oct 06 02:54:44 <halfhalo> mine
Oct 06 02:54:46 <halfhalo> ALL MINE
Oct 06 02:54:51 <webOSNewbie> hsss....
Oct 06 02:54:55 * halfhalo laughs manically
Oct 06 02:55:02 <fxspec06> great so i give you my address and you sell it?
Oct 06 02:55:13 <CanyonMan> dwc-: you're smart
Oct 06 02:55:22 <fxspec06> grrrr
Oct 06 02:55:43 <webOSNewbie> Hi VersedTP
Oct 06 02:55:44 <CanyonMan> dwc-: 22:51:33.527221 IP 192.168.0.244.59878 > 192.168.0.1.domain:  1819+[|domain] E..I..@.@..^...........5.5..............._xmpp-client.
Oct 06 02:55:59 * fxspec06 throws invisible letter 's' at halfhalo
Oct 06 02:56:12 * halfhalo sues
Oct 06 02:56:30 <webOSNewbie> Anyone do any TI programming?
Oct 06 02:56:32 <CanyonMan> I don't know what exactly is oging on there because it's binary but it's asking for _xmpp-client which is suspiciously similar to the srv record.  The dns protocol is binary, maybe if I had a better capture tool that could decode them
Oct 06 02:56:42 <halfhalo> TI... as in TI calculators?
Oct 06 02:56:45 <dwc-> tcpdump -w
Oct 06 02:56:47 <fxspec06> oh me me i did ti programming
Oct 06 02:56:50 <dwc-> copy the file, and try wireshark
Oct 06 02:56:50 <fxspec06> :D
Oct 06 02:56:55 <webOSNewbie> TI Calc programming
Oct 06 02:56:59 <halfhalo> BASIC ftl
Oct 06 02:57:12 <fxspec06> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9Q4mLh2v4
Oct 06 02:57:14 <CanyonMan> *or* could I install wireshark into the chroot
Oct 06 02:57:27 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 06 02:57:33 <webOSNewbie> I'm working on a web dev program for my shiny new TI 84+SE
Oct 06 02:57:46 <halfhalo> a... webdev program... for a calculator...
Oct 06 02:57:48 <halfhalo> I...
Oct 06 02:57:49 <halfhalo> I...
Oct 06 02:57:54 <dwc-> webos for TI-82?
Oct 06 02:57:56 * halfhalo shuts off
Oct 06 02:58:07 <CanyonMan> tshark maybe?
Oct 06 02:58:08 <fxspec06> i'd love to see webos on a ti-82
Oct 06 02:58:17 <dwc-> me too!
Oct 06 02:58:20 <halfhalo> I should find my TI-89
Oct 06 02:58:28 <halfhalo> because its awesome
Oct 06 02:58:32 <dwc-> kids these days
Oct 06 02:58:33 <halfhalo> and has a solve function
Oct 06 02:58:51 <webOSNewbie> There's already a web browser...
Oct 06 02:59:00 <halfhalo> FOR A CALCULATOR?!?!?!
Oct 06 02:59:04 <webOSNewbie> Yep
Oct 06 02:59:39 <webOSNewbie> http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=468
Oct 06 02:59:47 <halfhalo> its... grayscale.... and has like a 1mhz cpu... and no network connection...
Oct 06 02:59:54 <dwc-> back in my day, our calculators had 4-pin serial ports, or parallel ports
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