**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 08 02:59:57 2011 Oct 08 03:03:18 illusion? that some of us have lives? Oct 08 03:48:37 hm Oct 08 04:44:10 * halfhalo pets his pre3 Oct 08 04:44:29 * Xuzz does as well Oct 08 04:44:57 going from a veer to it is... awesome Oct 08 04:45:21 * rwhitby wonders which Pre 3 to take on the trip to the US. Can't take them all ... Oct 08 04:45:28 sure you can! Oct 08 04:45:38 although the tsa get ansy when you have more than one touchstone Oct 08 04:45:47 hah Oct 08 04:45:52 halfhalo you got a pre3? Oct 08 04:45:55 well, I can, but when I get the rest of them and want to bring all of them back into Australia I could have a customs issue Oct 08 04:46:09 true... Oct 08 04:46:21 let alone the touchpads Oct 08 04:46:23 roll a dice? Oct 08 04:46:26 rwhitby: you can drop one off at my house Oct 08 04:46:42 * halfhalo goes to poke at an overclocking kernel Oct 08 04:46:47 Tibfib: your house is on the way from LAX to MEL ? Oct 08 04:47:00 there's probably a post office Oct 08 04:47:19 There's no way I'm trusting these to the USPS Oct 08 04:47:32 ups! Oct 08 04:47:34 there's probably a UPS store Oct 08 04:47:44 there's probably a Fedex store Oct 08 04:47:47 the other decision is which app to work on during the 13h flight ... Oct 08 04:47:54 DHL (is that right?) Oct 08 04:48:40 I'm thinking Govnah (to catch up with Marco's new parameter area) and Tailor. Oct 08 05:00:30 * DougReeder waves hello Oct 08 05:03:42 rwhitby: you should have enough pre3s to rival whatever Adora has on her at any given moment Oct 08 05:04:28 I'm sure she has more Oct 08 05:04:35 * DougReeder hehs Oct 08 07:03:18 hi is it possible tio make with the tp Oct 08 07:03:25 a p2p wifi connection Oct 08 09:00:12 hi everyone i have a veer i have imported from us, and i just today i noticed my palm profile isn't active and that my veer isn't using it, and under the accounts the phone it's using the account Dr. Skipped Firstuse any idea of why this is happening? Oct 08 09:22:20 eurisko: you missed step 15 of the impostah instructions Oct 08 09:40:07 if i package an app, install, then make a new/updated build, but dont bump the version number is it ok to install striaght over the top? Oct 08 09:41:28 i'm getting issues where my service isn't updated correctly, and /var/log/messages shows it is hitting a respawn > 10 error? Oct 08 09:41:45 and i have to restart the device Oct 08 12:20:00 yl Oct 08 12:20:03 uo Oct 08 12:20:11 wow... Oct 08 12:20:14 yo Oct 08 12:20:54 anyone around? Oct 08 12:23:55 sure, maybe not the wisest ones though Oct 08 12:26:56 ool Oct 08 12:27:17 obviously I'm not one...I can't even type Oct 08 12:57:10 hmm. doctoring with an official doctor doesn't remove the tux logo :O Oct 08 14:27:09 anyone have a pre3 that'd be willing to help me test ktoo? Oct 08 14:27:14 s/ktoo/koto/ Oct 08 15:18:42 23 updates / restores for one of my applications today. i wonder why Oct 08 15:19:20 someone must have doctored their phone 23 times. Oct 08 15:19:32 in a row!@? wow. they have some patience Oct 08 15:20:09 if they really wanted to make devs angry, why stop at 23? why not keep doctoring all weekend? just keep on restoring all their applications Oct 08 15:25:31 awwww jeeez, you think you know enough regexp to do something and then find out you're a moron still Oct 08 15:26:09 heh Oct 08 15:26:42 I have to use a reference table for regex Oct 08 15:26:47 unless it is a dead simple one Oct 08 15:27:22 it's a multi-line thing, I want to grab everything between and but no matter what I do, it won't seem to match across lines :/ Oct 08 15:30:46 inbox zero. Oct 08 15:30:56 sugardave: isn't it a flag Oct 08 15:31:06 m, yeah Oct 08 15:31:12 "/blah/igm/" Oct 08 15:31:14 doesn't work? Oct 08 15:31:14 but not doing what I expect Oct 08 15:31:23 sugardave: try using rubular.com Oct 08 15:32:42 kk Oct 08 15:35:14 hmm, I call bullshit Oct 08 15:35:26 I used that exact one in my code last night and it fails Oct 08 15:36:20 rubular doesn't think there is a g flag either Oct 08 15:36:25 hmm Oct 08 15:40:15 yeah, it's automatic Oct 08 15:40:24 automatic/always on Oct 08 15:40:33 well, what I thought should work does on rubular but not in my app Oct 08 15:40:35 bogus Oct 08 15:40:54 /(.*)/gim Oct 08 15:40:57 it's the webOSOS fault Oct 08 15:40:57 simple, right? Oct 08 15:41:14 /(.*)<\/head>/gim Oct 08 15:41:17 that one Oct 08 15:41:19 do you need to parse out the "<" ? Oct 08 15:41:35 nah, they aren't special Oct 08 15:41:53 I only need to grab this one link and one script tag in there....PITA Oct 08 15:42:13 sugardave: try zepto.js Oct 08 15:42:39 https://github.com/madrobby/zepto Oct 08 15:42:41 looking Oct 08 15:43:30 $(html).find("head") Oct 08 15:44:46 I tried it with jquery, but when you try to add it to the dom, it blows out the head section and body tags Oct 08 15:44:55 er not add it to the dom Oct 08 15:45:02 but create a new div to set contents Oct 08 15:45:08 it's trying to protect me :D Oct 08 15:47:38 zeptojs is a much more minimalistic version of jquery Oct 08 15:47:40 very nice Oct 08 15:51:34 wouldn't jquery 1.0 be a much more minimalistic version of jquery too? ;D Oct 08 15:59:26 I can't really add any other libraries to this...I guess I can look at DOMParser or whatever that thing is Oct 08 16:01:51 * halfhalo knows that (.*) doesn't match newlines Oct 08 16:02:04 it does on rubular :P Oct 08 16:02:24 I've also tried it with all kinds of added \r|\n|\s combos Oct 08 16:02:30 it's really starting to piss me off Oct 08 16:02:46 hmm Oct 08 16:02:58 maybe replace all the \n|\r with "" and try it that way Oct 08 16:05:24 ha, take that, logic! Oct 08 16:05:45 * halfhalo ran into this working with regex awesomemaker in node Oct 08 16:08:32 had to do fancyness to make js match everathang Oct 08 16:10:02 sugardave: what about ((?:.|\n)*)<\/head> Oct 08 16:10:19 that looks familiar Oct 08 16:11:27 looks like perl Oct 08 16:11:34 you look like perl Oct 08 16:11:36 ahem, yeah Oct 08 16:11:54 Tibfib_: one more internets for you Oct 08 16:12:09 I'm pretty sure I tried this last night, but I may have been not-sober Oct 08 16:12:22 nice! Oct 08 16:12:29 can I put that on a resume? Oct 08 16:12:34 I have earned 14 and a half internets. Oct 08 16:12:37 sure! Oct 08 16:12:47 should get me into mit Oct 08 17:11:24 shit, I missed the whole first quarter. I thought the game started at noon :/ Oct 08 17:11:28 we're getting slaughtered, too Oct 08 17:22:52 not looking good sugardave Oct 08 17:23:11 erg Oct 08 17:23:51 whoa Oct 08 17:23:55 al davis passed on? Oct 08 17:23:58 * haeffb has an iPhone 4Gs coming next weekend Oct 08 17:24:02 sigh. Oct 08 17:26:21 whooo, texas losing! Oct 08 17:29:16 oil_: sees football talk and leaves Oct 08 17:38:56 Anyone with good English skills willing to have a quick look at an app description and help me with language (grammar etc.)? Oct 08 17:39:42 sure, pastebin it Oct 08 17:39:52 sugardave: woohoo! Oct 08 17:40:59 haeffb: http://pastebin.com/daGsATHj Oct 08 17:43:18 "while on the way" ? Oct 08 17:43:25 while on the move ? Oct 08 17:43:44 should mean when you're not at home and have no access to a computer or something like this Oct 08 17:44:01 while on the move Oct 08 17:44:06 Interesting. Doctor restores modified tabs on the launcher. Oct 08 17:44:16 "feature to do actions" -> feature to perform actions Oct 08 17:44:44 "or change date" --> "or modified date" Oct 08 17:45:44 "Note: The app was made in all conscience and has been tested in extenso." --> "Note: The app was created in good faith and has been tested extensively." Oct 08 17:46:02 thanks! - is it "modification date" or "modified date"? Oct 08 17:46:26 modification date might be better Oct 08 17:46:39 sugardave: sad panda Oct 08 17:49:55 Sadhorns Oct 08 17:50:03 ... Oct 08 17:50:20 and I HATE Brent Musburger Oct 08 17:50:31 If I change the last sentence to this, is it still correct?: Oct 08 17:50:31 "However, I am not responsible for any damage that is being caused to files, devices, servers, or any other electronic equipment used in conjunction with my app." Oct 08 17:50:31 ("is being caused" instead of "you cause") Oct 08 17:51:28 you could take the whole phrase out Oct 08 17:51:35 ... damage to files, ... etc Oct 08 17:52:18 thanks Oct 08 17:56:15 4rfgbnm,./ Oct 08 17:56:23 (oops) Oct 08 17:57:28 Are plugins allowed for >= webOS 2.0 or >= webOS 2.1 in the AppCatalog? Oct 08 18:43:03 haeffb: my internet did it while i was asleep Oct 08 18:53:41 lies Oct 08 18:55:59 again, does anyone know? Oct 08 18:55:59 Are plugins allowed for >= webOS 2.0 or >= webOS 2.1 in the AppCatalog? Oct 08 19:01:56 oh Oct 08 19:01:57 my Oct 08 19:01:58 god Oct 08 19:02:11 THEY MAKE A 3.5" CUP COLDER FOR COMPUTERS?!?!?!? Oct 08 19:03:11 * halfhalo wants Oct 08 19:07:23 halfhalo: they do, mine comes with a button that I can push to hide it when I'm not using it. Oct 08 19:08:11 nonono, 3.5", not devedevede drive! Oct 08 19:08:59 I wouldn't think that'd work, although I've seen some of those SuperDisks's stuck in a floppy drive, but not really enough sticking out to put a coffee cup on. Oct 08 19:09:23 have to rma new mobo.. :/ makes me sad Oct 08 19:09:30 now I have no compy till thursday Oct 08 19:11:34 more importantly, now I can't fire up my vm on it to build stuff :/ Oct 08 19:16:58 the macbook? Oct 08 19:17:25 ran out of space on it :/ Oct 08 19:17:58 what kind of macbook? Oct 08 19:18:19 air Oct 08 19:18:38 oh, that'd explain running out of space Oct 08 19:18:49 is it nice? I've been thinking about getting one Oct 08 19:18:56 yeah Oct 08 19:19:07 I went for the 13" i5 256 Oct 08 19:19:12 tis shiny Oct 08 19:19:35 I've been looking at the 11" ones Oct 08 19:20:07 my 2007 macbook is getting old Oct 08 19:20:12 lol... Oct 08 19:20:47 dwc-: what I'm saying is I'm not sure I could handle a 13"er Oct 08 19:20:52 morning Oct 08 19:20:59 TWSS? Oct 08 19:21:08 >_> Oct 08 19:21:10 hi rwhitby Oct 08 19:21:14 dwc-: It seems I will have a chance to test that AT&T MCC/MNC choice this coming week Oct 08 19:21:38 neat Oct 08 19:22:01 summatusmentis: what do you have now? Oct 08 19:22:10 dwc-: I'll activate one with normal impostah and one with that patch. Oct 08 19:22:15 15? 17? Oct 08 19:22:32 dwc-: 13" macbook Oct 08 19:22:40 that sounds better than throwing it out there and hoping for some good reports to come back from users :) Oct 08 19:22:43 I was just making pointed jokes Oct 08 19:23:54 rwhitby: what'd be cool is if you could coax the current differences out of those palm people so people have the option of making a more informed choice too Oct 08 19:28:31 ... I just managed to cut myself on my psu. again. Oct 08 19:33:00 halfhalo: do you find 4GB of ram limiting? Oct 08 19:33:12 not really Oct 08 19:33:23 hrm Oct 08 19:33:26 means only 1vm at a time though Oct 08 19:33:32 indeed Oct 08 19:33:39 or smaller VMs Oct 08 19:34:00 that's my biggest concern about the air Oct 08 19:44:09 heh... my desktop is all nice and organized now Oct 08 19:44:26 sure, its lacking a motherboard and cpu, but still, all the cords are nicely out of the way Oct 08 19:45:58 now... I need to decide how I am going to set up the hd's. 60gb ssd boot drive + 2raid 0+1 or just stick the ssd in front of the raid array as a cache Oct 08 19:47:38 also need to try to get the widk vm to be less than 12GB Oct 08 19:47:52 don't build stuff you don't need Oct 08 19:48:22 hey Oct 08 19:49:01 I don't build anything I don't need now, but if its small enough its going in a ramdisk Oct 08 19:51:11 8 threads + 4-6GB ram + 10-12GB ramdisk based storage = fun times in building land Oct 08 19:53:21 * halfhalo doesn't like waiting for stuff Oct 08 19:53:45 * Nilium doesn't like waiting for his new iPhone Oct 08 19:55:14 * leiru_web still waits for his new notebook - and also doesn't like the waiting Oct 08 19:56:45 * halfhalo had to rma this beast http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130597 Oct 08 19:57:11 Something on it explode? Oct 08 19:57:18 bent pins Oct 08 19:57:24 That would be a problem Oct 08 19:57:30 yup Oct 08 19:57:44 unbend them! Oct 08 19:57:51 there are MANY bent pins Oct 08 19:58:02 so just going to rma it Oct 08 19:58:08 and rebuild on thursday or friday Oct 08 19:58:12 I'd RMA it even if it were one bent pin. Oct 08 19:58:19 Ain't my job to fix it. >_> Oct 08 19:58:21 along with the full 16GB ram and a new cpu cooler Oct 08 19:58:35 not worth my hassle for a couple of bent pins Oct 08 20:01:00 when all is said and done I should be looking at a 2500k@4.4GHz, 16GB 1333mhz ram, 5850, and 4x1TB WD Black HD's plus a 60GB ssd, along with a killer NIC and a xfi audio card Oct 08 20:02:52 and in about a month I am going to replace the 2500k with a 2600k for those extra important threads Oct 08 20:02:52 a killer nic, but only a 5850? Oct 08 20:03:12 mebe Oct 08 20:03:19 5870's don't fit in my case Oct 08 20:03:34 (also, the nic was free) Oct 08 20:03:36 I guess we know where halfhalo's money all goes Oct 08 20:04:09 Save for the gpu, I have not upgraded my desktop since 08ish Oct 08 20:04:34 My money all goes toward things I can code for Oct 08 20:04:35 also just got this as well http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998055 Oct 08 20:04:48 If I can't code for it, I don't buy it >_> Oct 08 20:04:57 I now have one of each model of webos phones... so I'm set there. Oct 08 20:05:29 I just have the Touchpad, since I wanted to code for it. Had to grab one during the fire sale 'cause otherwise I'd never get ot. Oct 08 20:05:30 *to Oct 08 20:05:58 heh.. I ended up with three of those, although one is out wandering the world Oct 08 20:07:05 I'd considered getting a Pre 3, but seeing as that's been canned as well, I can't really justify it since I don't buy a phone unless I can also use it as my main phone Oct 08 20:08:10 I'm using mine as a main phone Oct 08 20:08:38 I'd like to have a phone that isn't dead in the water, so to speak Oct 08 20:08:52 Nilium: same here Oct 08 20:11:41 i'd like to not make stupid mistakes Oct 08 20:11:41 ah just needs me some overclocking right now and ah will be happy Oct 08 20:12:07 b00m! Oct 08 20:19:36 hmm... Oct 08 20:19:44 why is there a 50GB sparsebundle on my air... Oct 08 20:20:36 what's it called? Oct 08 20:21:12 Data.sparsebundle Oct 08 20:21:21 WHY DID I NAME SOMETHING THAT Oct 08 20:21:26 lol Oct 08 20:21:29 might not have been you? Oct 08 20:21:34 and why don't I know the password Oct 08 20:21:40 nobody else has access to this machine Oct 08 20:22:04 do you have FileVault on? Oct 08 20:22:37 yes... Oct 08 20:22:41 waitasecond... Oct 08 20:22:46 I know what it is... Oct 08 20:22:46 that's probably what that is Oct 08 20:22:57 its a goddamn backup image from the mini Oct 08 20:23:11 oh Oct 08 20:24:07 I bought a Veer as a backup phone the other day. I get Nilium and what he was saying about buying a phone that's dead in the water. Oct 08 20:24:07 which means its actually like a 12Gb image in an image in an image :/ Oct 08 20:25:39 lolol Oct 08 20:26:33 someone explain to me how it's 4:23 Oct 08 20:26:54 is it bad when i don't even remember anything about today, at all Oct 08 20:27:13 Well I've only been awake for 2 hours and it's 2pm now Oct 08 20:27:23 Which is kind of what happens when I spend all night coding Oct 08 20:30:37 you kids and your late-night coding Oct 08 20:30:49 i'm supposed to relax during the day, right? not melt into it like a hershey's bar left on the windowsil? Oct 08 20:32:00 fxspec06: guess what I'm working on Oct 08 20:32:10 !!! yay Oct 08 20:32:18 oh wait let me guess Oct 08 20:32:26 koto enyo ? Oct 08 20:32:30 pie? Oct 08 20:32:37 one of you is correct Oct 08 20:32:45 mm pie Oct 08 20:32:47 ah, speaking of which I could test on a Pre3 if you need Oct 08 20:32:50 I love peaches Oct 08 20:33:29 rwatkins: thanks! Oct 08 20:33:30 * halfhalo goes to make kernel for pre3 Oct 08 20:33:33 with the overclocks Oct 08 20:33:50 sweeeeeeetnesss Oct 08 20:33:59 touchpad needs a good music player Oct 08 20:34:03 a lil busy this afternoon, but send me a pointer to an ipk Oct 08 20:34:27 by good, i mean specifically NOT music player remix Oct 08 20:35:08 development pace is going AMAZINGLY fast Oct 08 20:35:24 should be done this month Oct 08 20:35:31 awesome Oct 08 20:35:38 dibs on beta testing >_> Oct 08 20:35:46 you the man Oct 08 20:35:52 are you gonna fat-pack it? Oct 08 20:35:56 nope Oct 08 20:35:59 maybe Oct 08 20:35:59 dibs on first copy! Oct 08 20:36:00 or sell it as KOTO HD? Oct 08 20:36:06 i would sell a new app Oct 08 20:36:08 thinking no Oct 08 20:36:10 is really quite amazing how easy it is to make a kernel when you just copypasta someone elses, and you don't have to worry about trivial things like stability Oct 08 20:36:20 if I was just changing tweaking the app, I'd fat pack it Oct 08 20:36:27 but since I'm writing it completely over... Oct 08 20:37:41 kinda sad I can't sell it if I add in spotify support Oct 08 20:37:43 :/ Oct 08 20:38:01 I may just develop that for myself Oct 08 20:38:07 maintain two versions Oct 08 20:38:13 and talk to spotify to see if they'll adopt it Oct 08 20:38:25 I dont' want it to compete with the paid version though. Oct 08 20:38:37 ^ @ rwatkins Oct 08 20:41:16 put all the spotify stuff in a free app thats controlled via cross launch params. :) Oct 08 20:42:00 what about iaps? Oct 08 20:45:36 Tibfib: your team is beating my team Oct 08 20:50:28 haeffb: lolz suxor Oct 08 20:50:54 haeffb: my dad and I dvr'd the game and are like 40 mins behind Oct 08 20:50:59 so I'm glad we are still winning Oct 08 20:56:33 ugh i hate failed ipkg install errors. Oct 08 20:56:44 because it usually means 'your touchpad is about to reboot for no reason' Oct 08 20:58:28 lol Oct 08 20:58:35 lol Oct 08 21:00:36 lol Oct 08 21:01:18 ruhroh Oct 08 21:01:24 almost out of the batteries Oct 08 21:03:28 get email —> "buzz" (tp) —> "buzz" (pre2) —> "ding" (sparrow) Oct 08 21:04:01 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001J4ZOAW muahahaha Oct 08 21:04:23 hahahaha are you referring to the customer image? Oct 08 21:04:48 lol, didn;t see that Oct 08 21:04:54 but ah gots one on its way Oct 08 21:14:33 muahahahahaha Oct 08 21:14:41 * halfhalo has ces badge Oct 08 21:22:13 hm Oct 08 21:27:50 why does that not surprise me Oct 08 21:28:45 drugs? Oct 08 21:30:45 return drugs; Oct 08 21:32:10 when you go to CES without me, remember to not steal any ipads Oct 08 22:12:00 do you know any SDL-based application where I can steal gestures handling code? Oct 08 22:13:24 http://t.co/KmoW5s8d -- Chaos Computer Club analyzes government malware, analysis revealed serious security holes Oct 08 22:22:49 phew, it's not my government Oct 08 22:23:17 (for once) Oct 08 22:27:11 dwc: today, dude. today. :) Oct 08 23:15:38 leiru_web: did they analyze it with hacking tools? owning those in germany is supposedly a crime, too Oct 08 23:39:00 destinal: they are illegal if they are used to perform illegal action. Oct 08 23:40:08 destinal: i dont know which tools they used. Oct 08 23:40:30 and i would doubt a hex editor or disassembler would count as "hacking tool for illegal action" Oct 08 23:41:47 even an IDE or text editor could be a hacking tool. or nmap. Oct 08 23:42:25 leiru_web: I read that 202c (introduced in May 2007), prohibits manufacturing, programming, installing, or spreading software that has the primary goal of circumventing security measures. Oct 08 23:42:36 the definition "hacking tool" and the law itself is not clearly written. Oct 08 23:42:54 doesn't talk about how it's used, just that it has the primary goal of circumvention (like an exploit tool even if legally used) Oct 08 23:44:31 i am no lawyer, but i would say: an exploit tool would be illegal if you wanted to use it against someone. Oct 08 23:46:52 in 2008 we had a constitutional complaint according this law Oct 08 23:48:50 german http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/entscheidungen/rk20090518_2bvr223307.html Oct 08 23:53:21 wow, that google translation is quite nice: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bundesverfassungsgericht.de%2Fentscheidungen%2Frk20090518_2bvr223307.html Oct 09 01:02:13 is it possible to upgrade the gcc used in the pdk? i've tried building 4.6.1 using the configure options from the existing 4.3.3 but i get linker errors for functions from the stl when i try to compile anything with it Oct 09 01:25:22 hi folks. Oct 09 01:25:30 eighthree says hi as well. we're gonna make tacos :D Oct 09 01:38:00 okay this is odd too.. earlier i said this one app had 23 restores Oct 09 01:38:14 well it finished with 25. and new day? 16 more Oct 09 01:38:26 clearview downloads? Oct 09 01:38:35 restores Oct 09 01:38:42 updates / restores Oct 09 01:39:08 i mean it's totally possible that 50 people were late to the game updating. but i don't usually see that high except on update days Oct 09 01:39:34 hmm, got it to build, now it's complaining about having the wrong libstdc++ version when i try to start it Oct 09 01:44:56 Has anyone seen a touchpad where the screen has slight flares on one side like the LCD is squeezed a bit? It's only noticeable against a black screen with full backlight (like when first powering on) Oct 09 01:53:11 Shadyman: mine does that Oct 09 01:53:18 both sides, actually Oct 09 01:53:28 blurgh. where do apps live on the filesystem once installed? I need to edit spotify's .js file :/ Oct 09 01:53:44 installing package app on device "topaz-linux" {457b3d63978d6091da91990970cd5cbf Oct 09 01:53:44 6d87df45} usb 62906 Oct 09 01:53:44 palm-install: app (Access is denied) Oct 09 01:53:53 seretogis: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/ Oct 09 01:53:59 gracias! Oct 09 01:54:13 (for palm-install'd apps, at least. not sure if that's for all of them) Oct 09 01:54:20 gettin the above on a TP plugged into my windows 8 box. is this likely a novacom issue? Oct 09 01:54:25 seems like the few i've downloaded are there too Oct 09 01:54:27 spotify is there, thanks :) Oct 09 01:54:38 np Oct 09 01:59:34 fxspec06: not everyone updates immediately Oct 09 01:59:53 and not everyone gets prompt update prompts all the time (Thanks, webos!) Oct 09 02:00:04 seretogis: /media/cryptofs/usr/palm/applications/.... Oct 09 02:00:13 err, nevermind Oct 09 02:00:20 nohorse: do you have a developer mode password? Oct 09 02:03:13 my bad. i have a typo in my install line Oct 09 02:06:48 yay hostmode. Oct 09 02:07:14 nohorse: novaterm -c login -r [password] Oct 09 02:07:26 where [password] is your devmode password Oct 09 02:10:02 powered USB Hub = winning Oct 09 02:12:14 hmm, if I'm reading this right, AT&T(?) pre3s in china showing up stores in china (~$300 USD) Oct 09 02:12:28 http://tech.sina.com.cn/mobile/n/2011-10-09/05101895171.shtml Oct 09 02:12:35 (my chinese is poor) Oct 09 02:31:30 hmm. since i ran doctor earlier today, i can't find my bluetooth keyboard anymore.. craaaaaaap Oct 09 02:34:01 Shadyman: nice Oct 09 02:34:48 Shadyman: I need to hack together a portable battery-powered USB port with the right wiring Oct 09 02:34:49 You definitely don't need a "Y"-cable to do USB-OTG on the touchpad. Oct 09 02:35:21 s/port/hub/ Oct 09 02:36:56 Shadyman: what powered hub do you use? Oct 09 02:37:05 destinal: Some $2 thing off ebay Oct 09 02:37:43 Kinda like this one. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/USB-2-0-4-PORT-HUB-EXTERNAL-MINI-SLIM-4-laptop-PC-Mac-/290618046956 Oct 09 02:38:20 just because it's small and was cheap to ship :p Oct 09 02:38:27 got it for $2/ea, free shipping from China Oct 09 02:39:05 when i deploy an app to the TP is there a way to see the console.log() output? Oct 09 02:40:36 indeed Oct 09 02:40:47 palm-log app.name Oct 09 02:41:05 Oh, you mean on the TP itself? or Tp attached to a computer? Oct 09 02:41:15 TP attached to PC Oct 09 02:41:19 ah. Yeah :) Oct 09 02:41:35 sometimes it's best to do palm-log app.name | tail Oct 09 02:41:44 It can get pretty long :x Oct 09 02:43:00 Shadyman: yeah, but that's not a powered one, is it? Oct 09 02:43:37 yeah Oct 09 02:43:41 just doesn't have its own power supply Oct 09 02:43:45 has a spot for one on the side though Oct 09 02:44:36 hmm, probably 5v 2a is safe Oct 09 02:44:49 yeah Oct 09 02:44:53 it's what I was using Oct 09 02:45:02 note the little bump on the case off to the right side there on the phot Oct 09 02:45:04 photo Oct 09 02:45:22 or on the last photo there, at the bottom Oct 09 02:45:34 yeah, they don't really mention it can do that, but I do see a bit of the AC adapter connector that you mention it Oct 09 02:46:37