**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 09 02:59:57 2011 Oct 09 03:04:42 lol Oct 09 03:12:12 is anyone else playing around with the test-to-speach thing? Oct 09 03:12:24 text-to-speach that is... Oct 09 03:12:39 text-to-speech that is good grief Oct 09 03:14:31 EricBlade: re-paired? Oct 09 03:18:44 I've tried text to speech. hard to make something really useful Oct 09 03:19:01 Haven't thought of anything :( Oct 09 03:20:09 Synthesized speech is highest quality in limited domains - but only if you doa lot of work to make it so. Oct 09 03:20:46 .. which there's not time to do this week Oct 09 03:22:06 some of the more useful uses would be as part of the OS Oct 09 03:23:00 Sprint Navigator (neƩ Garmin) use speech synthesis well. Oct 09 03:23:19 yeah Oct 09 03:24:26 There's a reason speech has never caught on outside niches like handicapped users. Oct 09 03:27:42 speech synthesis without speech recognition is only half a user interface. Oct 09 03:28:50 dwc-: i had to reboot the touchpad twice before it would find the keyboard Oct 09 03:29:32 I'm adding a simple speach reader to my app for the contest. It always says the same thing. I think i'm setting up the plug wrong or somthing Oct 09 03:30:22 fxspec06: can't register for the wild'n video poker online service thing? Oct 09 03:30:27 I was windering if anyone ran the TTS example app and ran into a problem trying to get it to say somthing different in another app Oct 09 03:30:35 calendar alarms that said "appointment at 4:30" would be useful. Wouldn't mangle names nor give away embarasing info like "proctologist visit at 4:30" Oct 09 03:30:39 nohorse: yes Oct 09 03:31:14 Yes, see the thread on the dev forum Oct 09 03:31:16 DougReeder: yeah plugging TTS into notification system could be great. but can't be done by an app Oct 09 03:31:43 I'll chec the dev forum thread Oct 09 03:31:52 next week there will be a revised plugin so apps can play nice. Oct 09 03:32:01 nohorse: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=18555 Oct 09 03:32:18 meanwhile, reboot and don't run the sample app Oct 09 03:32:32 or just shell into the device and rm the tmp file Oct 09 03:32:57 or that, yeah. Oct 09 03:33:33 funny.. i'l try that... Oct 09 03:40:19 Outline tracker has the calender handle alarms, so I can't use tts for alarms. Oct 09 03:40:59 fxspec06: Also, I don't always get credit for a pair if I hold two numbers (a pair) then deal. Is that normal? Oct 09 03:42:59 the lag of the tts plugin limits its usefulness. Oct 09 03:43:04 fxspec06: this is in single player mode on Wild'n Video Poker Oct 09 03:47:39 real-time games could benefit from tts Oct 09 03:51:53 the other voices for the Festival system are interesting - the Scottish voice actually sounds Scottish, the Indian voice sounds Indian. Oct 09 03:52:50 So if you're recompiling the plugin, you could incorporate a different voice Oct 09 03:54:25 Erm. Beta Catalog? *headscratch* Oct 09 04:01:53 And.. W-8BEN? That IRS form looks scary. Oct 09 04:04:08 Shadyman Oct 09 04:04:10 ! Oct 09 04:04:48 oh hey it's uhh jacks or better Oct 09 04:05:03 suuuuure ;) Oct 09 04:05:03 and there's an update that explains the online villo.. on its way Oct 09 04:05:32 basically if it's not letting you register, chances are it sucessfully registered one of the attempts and you should try logging in Oct 09 04:05:42 arr Oct 09 04:06:24 someone left a review for it today, Ariel says it's "Aweful" Oct 09 04:06:31 lol Oct 09 04:06:41 "Aweful" as in "my spelling is Aweful" Oct 09 04:06:41 as in, full of awe? Oct 09 04:06:50 or as in, full of awe Oct 09 04:09:09 aweful == awesome! Oct 09 04:09:54 the review does not reflect that though Oct 09 04:12:07 Huh. With this tax stuff, it sounds like it'd be so much easier to just make my apps free :x Oct 09 04:12:37 naw, you deserve to make moneys Oct 09 04:13:08 Or just not make it available to US citizens :p Oct 09 04:13:16 lol Oct 09 04:19:18 Mostly because I'd likely break their computers. Tax resident of Canada, but I'd have to submit a W9, not a W8. Oct 09 04:19:45 And that'd likely break a few peoples' brains Oct 09 04:20:38 you don't want to break peoples' brains Oct 09 04:20:49 peoples' brains are already easily brokenable Oct 09 04:20:50 just reading the webos documentations does that Oct 09 04:21:29 True. Oct 09 04:36:59 so the weekly app hack -- right idea, great idea, poor execution. so .. par for the course! Oct 09 04:37:28 lol Oct 09 04:37:44 it fits perfect with webos! Oct 09 04:37:52 may even get delayed. so true to the company. Oct 09 04:37:58 blends right into the story Oct 09 04:38:51 "is the deadline going to be extended?" "dont know, when we know, we'll let you know" :) Oct 09 04:39:58 "we are currently planning to offer a custom extended deadline to certain developers" -- that would really throw me off Oct 09 04:40:49 rwatkins: well, we often get the other way around here, too. wrong idea, terrible idea, and perfect execution. such as, "we're going to release the touchpad no matter what on July 1" and "we're going to kill all hardware development". Oct 09 04:41:19 lol Oct 09 04:41:20 what's the beta catalog? Oct 09 04:41:56 it's a way for you to distribute your app to certain people who want to test your app Oct 09 04:41:58 ya, but thats not really development, thats top down driven marketing/sales requirements Oct 09 04:42:53 * DougReeder nods Oct 09 04:42:55 there used to be a public beta feed, but HP killed it Oct 09 04:43:29 ah Oct 09 04:43:53 if someone had stood up and said "No, Leo, we need at least a solid 30-60 days more of crunch time, to avoid releasing software that is in obvious need of further development", would any of us be having any of these conversations today? .. hmm.. if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle? Oct 09 04:44:09 I would not be surprised if most of the Weekly App hack entries are in the beta feed. Oct 09 04:45:05 DougReeder: agreed. I was thinking it could be kinda a "ooh look wizzy feature" for Paper Mache, but the implementation is half-assed so .. not worth it Oct 09 04:46:16 if it's not in the public version of your app people can't leave bad reviews because it performs poorly. Oct 09 04:46:21 http://androidchallenge.mintdigital.com/index.html#paperclip Oct 09 04:46:47 Essentially exactly that. Oct 09 04:47:21 Bob's your uncle :-) Oct 09 04:47:25 Right now I'm maintaining two beta branches of my app, not quite ready for a third. Oct 09 04:47:50 which app? Oct 09 04:48:03 Paper Mache - Instapaper client for TP and Pre3 Oct 09 04:49:47 Ah, never internalize that that was yours Oct 09 04:50:43 so how do we sign up for this internal Beta feed thing? Oct 09 04:50:58 sounds like a good concept, but I'm not sure flite is good enough. Oct 09 04:51:27 the beta feed is an option when submitting an app Oct 09 04:51:30 the provided plugin also lacks the api to tell you when the audio ends. or even pause it. Oct 09 04:52:01 Ah,yeah, you'd need to extend the plugin wrapper Oct 09 04:52:02 so ... even with poor TTS, it still needs some other ehancement. Oct 09 04:52:53 and writing a file to the tmp directory and playing it? not exactly the stuff of a rock solid implementation. Oct 09 04:53:03 lets hope somebody thinks up something flite can handle and is useful in the real world Oct 09 04:53:09 if you play it with the HTML5 audio element, you can pause that, etc Oct 09 04:53:30 flite can stream audio Oct 09 04:53:31 ya, and I guess the file location is knowable. ;) Oct 09 04:53:32 granted, with a direct call to the HTML5 audio element itself, not the enyo thing Oct 09 04:54:07 oh yeah Shadyman make sure leave reviews plz k i'm going to bed Oct 09 04:54:09 so tired Oct 09 04:54:17 kk Oct 09 04:54:39 got to sleep for pats game tomorrow and study. this programming thing really driving me nuts, because i never get anything done Oct 09 04:54:54 so dev in Chrome is awesome, but *waaay* to often find myself surfing other remote websites with all kinds of security restrictions turned off. Oct 09 04:55:22 heh Oct 09 04:55:29 use one browser for Enyo and another for the web Oct 09 04:56:11 I try, but so prefer Chrome over FF for daily use. Oct 09 04:56:54 Enyo works in Safari,right? Oct 09 04:57:23 yes, but I dont think you can turn off the security restrictiosn from the command line in the same way you can on OSX Oct 09 04:57:39 ah Oct 09 04:58:52 wanna hack a few dev machines though, post somenthing nasty to the dev forums and I'm sure you'd get all kinds of good stuff. Oct 09 04:59:21 Heh. Oct 09 04:59:26 hehe Oct 09 05:01:30 Is there a way to play audio in webos with latency? So you could do keyclicks? Oct 09 05:01:54 ...with _low_ latency, that is Oct 09 05:02:19 I think only w/ PDK Oct 09 05:02:31 mmm Oct 09 05:02:58 though possibly in non-PDK w/ some default system sounds, of which keyclick might be one? Oct 09 05:05:38 Hmm, would a talking IRC client make sense? hard to hear different voices. Oct 09 05:05:54 that would be confusing :x Oct 09 05:06:31 ah nice, give each person a random voice type Oct 09 05:06:32 scottish Oct 09 05:06:34 indian Oct 09 05:06:35 robot Oct 09 05:06:52 lol Oct 09 05:07:23 * DougReeder smiles Oct 09 05:07:58 be terribly stereotypical and geo-IP the person first Oct 09 05:08:15 * DougReeder grins Oct 09 05:08:26 herman cain is bizarro obama. Oct 09 05:09:39 I think I've seen thatlow-latency system sound api Oct 09 05:10:53 has anyone used the Spanish Audio Dictionary? Oct 09 06:54:08 Gold morning how could i download mp3s with the touchpad Oct 09 06:54:27 is Tiere a tool Oct 09 07:01:13 you have to ask Tiere yourself but to me it sounds pretty insulting Oct 09 07:10:49 loswillios: haha Oct 09 16:08:00 Hello folks Oct 09 16:17:23 hey all Oct 09 16:22:10 why does this not work: Oct 09 16:22:11 > parseInt('000000008') Oct 09 16:22:11 0 Oct 09 16:22:42 I suspect, because it starts with a 0 Oct 09 16:23:08 what does parseInt('000000008', 10) return Oct 09 16:23:44 ya that works Oct 09 16:23:47 LAME! Oct 09 16:23:59 yea, so the leading 0 is making it octal Oct 09 16:26:40 well that fixes that bug Oct 09 16:26:50 wterm passes 1 more of vttest's tests Oct 09 16:28:51 just need to fix up auto wrapping and scrolling and it will pass all the vt100/102 tests Oct 09 16:29:01 then on to the vt220 and xterm features Oct 09 16:29:04 hi PuffTheMagic :) Oct 09 16:29:04 good thing your test used 000000008 ... 000000007 wouldn't have turned up that bug :) Oct 09 16:29:21 dwc-, the tests are pretty extensive Oct 09 16:29:28 nom nom... peppermint tea Oct 09 16:29:30 dwc-, install vttest on your box and see all the shit it does Oct 09 16:29:36 leiru, hi Oct 09 16:30:26 but... I don't have any vt100s to test on anymore ... threw them out, replaced 'em with an old PC with a serial port ;) Oct 09 16:31:05 it was extended recently to do more than vt100's Oct 09 16:31:45 does vt52,vt100,vt102,vt220,vt320,vt420,vt520,ISO-6429,xterm Oct 09 16:32:18 Hello, I have installed the updated SDK and novacom according to https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html, but novacom is not recognizing my HP Veer. Oct 09 16:32:59 is it in developer mode? Oct 09 16:33:04 dwc-, you beat me Oct 09 16:33:14 I am working on Ubuntu 11.04 64 bit, and it is in dev mode Oct 09 16:33:14 puffthemagic: oh good, so I can use it to show the mac fools that insist their terminal is correct that it's wrong? :) Oct 09 16:34:09 vmlinz: developer mode is exactly what it says.. its the "developer mode" Oct 09 16:34:09 dwc-, yes Oct 09 16:34:27 dwc-: #lsusb Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0830:8034 Palm, Inc. Oct 09 16:35:01 PatrickC: I turned developer mode on by typing "webos20090606". Oct 09 16:35:01 vmlinz, ^^ you might be the first one to show such proof like that here Oct 09 16:35:05 vmlinz: its on the device.. type upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart in just type Oct 09 16:35:17 * dwc- doesn't have his veer handy to check the deviceids Oct 09 16:35:22 is novacomd running? Oct 09 16:35:24 PatrickC, webos20090606 is correct Oct 09 16:35:45 (and if you can remember the date, less annoying to type) Oct 09 16:35:46 PuffTheMagic: I didn't notice he did the shortcut till after I typed it lol Oct 09 16:36:03 I figured "well, might as well send it" lol Oct 09 16:36:08 dwc-: #ps -el | grep nova Oct 09 16:36:08 0 S 0 5662 1 0 80 0 - 2170 poll_s ? 00:00:04 novacomd Oct 09 16:36:16 PatrickC, he already proved it was enabled with the lsusb output Oct 09 16:36:27 which was before he mentioned the short code Oct 09 16:36:43 vmlinz, ya just gotta start novacomd now Oct 09 16:36:50 dwc-: how is the mac terminal wrong? Oct 09 16:36:56 LOL Oct 09 16:37:20 do you have messages from the kernel and/or libusb showing it picking up the device when you plug it in? Oct 09 16:37:22 novacomd is running, but when running novacom, "unable to find device" comes out... Oct 09 16:37:58 vmlinz, ya if u started novacomd with it already plugged in you might need to disconnect/reconnect Oct 09 16:38:25 dwc-, PuffTheMagic: Wait a second Oct 09 16:38:47 the usb from the veer i mean Oct 09 16:38:50 summatusmentis: ssh from a mac terminal (terminal.app, iterm) set to xterm or xterm-color emulation to a debian box and run aptitude ... the screen redraws weird because one of the flags in their term emulation is wrong Oct 09 16:38:53 * hotdp is converting a Mojo app to Sencha Tocuh Oct 09 16:39:00 I forget which one Oct 09 16:39:48 (also, my information was based on 10.4 and 10.5... which was the last time I was "blessed" with using a mac on a daily basis) Oct 09 16:39:52 * PuffTheMagic will do that while he sits on the can and does a BM Oct 09 16:40:26 PuffTheMagic: I just plugged it out and in. Oct 09 16:42:11 Dmesg out: http://pastebin.com/NG0SMcvk Oct 09 16:42:20 (I found telling the mac terminals it's emulating a dtterm to produce better results) Oct 09 16:45:30 dwc-, looked ok to me Oct 09 16:45:55 vmlinz, double check dev mode Oct 09 16:46:00 dwc-: yeah, I've seen that before Oct 09 16:46:03 interesting Oct 09 16:46:04 maybe they fixed it since 10.5 then? Oct 09 16:46:04 and if you havent rebooted do that Oct 09 16:46:12 I've tried two versions of novacom:1.0.64_amd64.deb and 1.0.76_amd64.deb, but they won't work. Oct 09 16:46:39 I can confirm 1.0.76 worked for me with my veer, but I'm running 10.04 at work Oct 09 16:47:54 vmlinz, disable/enable dev mode then reboot Oct 09 16:48:19 worth trying a reboot of the computer and the veer Oct 09 16:48:36 PuffTheMagic: Okay, I'll give it a try. Oct 09 16:49:11 PuffTheMagic: that I didn't know Oct 09 16:49:16 re: output Oct 09 16:49:55 is there any way to add a third option to a swipable item Oct 09 16:50:21 extend the type? Oct 09 16:51:21 how would i go about doing that Oct 09 16:52:06 look for the swipeable item js file in the framework dir, make a copy of it and modify it? Oct 09 16:52:14 interesting. Oct 09 16:52:14 put it in your own src dir Oct 09 16:52:18 sounds like a winner Oct 09 16:52:23 or overwrite its methods Oct 09 16:52:27 with out copying it Oct 09 16:52:33 my making a type of that kind with a new name Oct 09 16:52:37 i think both work Oct 09 16:52:48 that sounds absolutely perfect Oct 09 16:52:51 thx Oct 09 16:53:18 just look at the orig file so you know what methods need overwriting Oct 09 16:57:00 dwc- & PuffTheMagic: After rebooting my veer, I can finnally noveterm into it now. Thank you, I am going to install preware now :) Oct 09 16:57:08 np Oct 09 16:57:16 hm so like kind:"SwipableItem",name:"myawesomeswipe",//then any methods from the swipableitem.js automatically take precedence Oct 09 16:57:32 ya Oct 09 16:57:41 that's awesome. good to know Oct 09 16:57:51 ya enyo is pretty damn nice Oct 09 16:58:10 enyo is awesome Oct 09 17:00:41 because it's an extention. aha. enyo allows easy extensions. someone give me a wet towel so i can wipe the huge grin off my face Oct 09 17:06:23 huh. this is odd. according to ls and stat, I've got a file on my filesystem with 0 links .... Oct 09 17:06:29 are there any docs on enyo+MediaCapture? Oct 09 18:02:06 jesus christ. Information technology company Hewlett-Packard (HP) and German enterprise software company SAP have signed an agreement for HP Enterprise Services to provide cloud-based delivery of SAP applications. Oct 09 18:02:54 since Leo came from SAP and he announced he was going to do this...its no surprise. Oct 09 18:03:17 at the same time as they buy one of SAPs main competitors? Oct 09 18:05:59 EricBlade1, wouldnt buying a competitor be a good thing Oct 09 18:07:51 Purchase Autonomy, and then the next day start selling their competitor? Shows you have confidence in your purchase. Oct 09 18:07:57 (sarcasm) Oct 09 18:09:10 selling their competitor? or get their IP and integrate assets Oct 09 18:15:27 * EricBlade shrugs Oct 09 18:27:42 LOL .. someone finally clicked the "Email Support" button on my app. from: ongaths@gmail.com subj: suck msg: ur app suck. Oct 09 18:27:54 OMG Oct 09 18:27:55 LOL Oct 09 18:28:20 So what will you do to help him? Oct 09 18:29:57 maybe ask for clarification .. Oct 09 18:35:10 aargs, someone please tell me how to use MediaCapture with enyo to show the live cam -.- Oct 09 18:35:31 i don't get any error, so i have no idea what the problem is Oct 09 18:43:08 i haven't tested it, but it looks like you just use a enyo.MediaCapture kind Oct 09 18:46:16 i do. Oct 09 18:46:40 but somewhat could have fucking mentioned it in the docs that the enyo.Video object doesn't want live in a enyo.Scroller... Oct 09 18:47:42 don't know, i've never seen a working Audio or Video object Oct 09 18:48:17 setDisabled(false) doesn't work for me. Oct 09 18:49:22 hm wait nvm maybe it is Oct 09 19:01:00 EricBlade: how come you shared that person's email address? Oct 09 19:01:36 muuuurg Oct 09 19:01:48 dog on laptops again Oct 09 19:02:10 you... let your dog on computers? Oct 09 19:02:38 laptops were on bed and he decided to lay up there Oct 09 19:02:46 summatusmentis: i replied back and got a "not deliverable" so it's apparently not real. Oct 09 19:02:56 ah Oct 09 19:03:14 at least he isn't on the desktop parts Oct 09 19:03:17 those he could hurt Oct 09 19:04:04 and he is soft Oct 09 19:04:07 and warm Oct 09 19:04:18 and is now laying on two laptops AND me Oct 09 19:04:26 what kind of dog? Oct 09 19:04:51 Purebred Golden Retriever. His uncle is the dog from Click :/ Oct 09 19:04:52 :p Oct 09 19:05:30 he likes to go through screen's now.... Oct 09 19:13:32 lol Oct 09 19:22:43 is there any chance for android port on Pre3? Oct 09 19:23:18 I'd prefer the opposite tbh, a webOS port to a nice high end android device :P Oct 09 19:26:36 well cotulla just said he was working on porting webos to leo Oct 09 19:27:01 but he left it for some reasons Oct 09 19:35:22 hmm Oct 09 19:35:37 i do believe there are rats outside my window eating mah calbes Oct 09 19:35:41 cables Oct 09 19:55:48 go wireless ;-) Oct 09 20:25:47 qr code/barcode decoding live - if you have enyo devices with mediacapture you can try http://palm.stbuehler.de/beta/de.stbuehler.qrdecoder_1.0.4_all.ipk - i'd love some feedback, i only have enyo on a touchpad :) Oct 09 20:51:05 stbuehler, it's supposed to work with barcodes too, right? Oct 09 20:55:52 timepants: well... yeah Oct 09 20:56:29 i'm not responsible for how well it works, i just use the c++ zxing library :) Oct 09 20:58:19 stbuehler, i tried it out on pre3 and i couldn't get it to decode the barcode i was using. pictures were pretty crisp Oct 09 20:58:46 i tried a different app earlier and it worked ok with the same barcode... something called "scancode" Oct 09 21:02:36 i wonder if it's working right Oct 09 21:02:45 seems like a cool app Oct 09 21:07:04 how the heck do i call a palmservice Oct 09 21:07:16 like one from mojo. in enyo. i feel so dumb and i cant get it Oct 09 21:07:34 one of those things that is hardly documented Oct 09 21:19:56 timepants: well, you could try qr codes (that is what it was made for...) :) Oct 09 21:20:19 if i can find one, i'll give it a go :D Oct 09 21:21:05 use a qr code generator :) Oct 09 21:22:15 i pulled one off of google images, worked fine through the camera :D Oct 09 21:23:26 k. if you can upload the picture of the not working bar code i could have a look at it Oct 09 21:48:53 Damn, palm support is the worst I've had to deal with Oct 09 21:56:51 wrea! Oct 09 21:57:17 Got USB on OTG to work on my TP :D Oct 09 21:57:34 er, usb mass storage Oct 09 22:21:30 Shadyman, lucky you Oct 09 22:24:08 wrea: Powered USB hub is what you need. Oct 09 22:24:44 I've gotten it to work off and on, so its not :P Oct 09 22:25:46 Oh Oct 09 22:25:52 boo. Oct 09 22:30:06 So, Palm support has lied to me for a month now Oct 09 22:30:38 DOH Oct 09 22:31:51 brb Oct 09 22:31:55 I'm so $#$%ing pissed Oct 09 22:31:59 I would be. Oct 09 22:46:20 wrea: So what did Palm lie to you about? Oct 09 22:46:51 Well, it started out that they had me send it to the wrong facility Oct 09 22:47:03 yeah Oct 09 22:48:06 The voicemail stated it would be sent out to the right place on the monday they got it. That Wednesday I talked to them they told be it was going to be repaired at the wrong facility anyway Oct 09 22:48:42 yeah, I remember that Oct 09 22:48:44 On the 29th they told me it was sent out to me and I'd receive it last Mon or Tues Oct 09 22:49:15 Wednesday I talk to them and they said they'd have to give me a callback within 48 hours, which I never got Oct 09 22:50:03 Now today, they made it seem like they sat on it at the wrong facility for a month and now canceled the previous ticket and generated a new one to send it to the right place Oct 09 22:50:21 Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp Oct 09 22:50:52 Yeah... Oct 09 22:51:10 They should just keep the Veer and send me a Pre 3 for my troubles\:P Oct 09 22:51:21 hehe Oct 09 22:52:12 So, I figure I'll be waiting another month Oct 09 22:53:33 Shadyman, So, before I change anything, when I do host mode I get: usb 1-1: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power Oct 09 22:54:03 Huh. Oct 09 22:54:21 how are you powering the usb hub? Oct 09 22:55:36 No hub, using a 3 way male y cable, one goes to a active usb port or ac adapter Oct 09 22:56:14 Doing echo 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1/bConfigurationValue bypasses it and thats how I get it to work sometimes Oct 09 22:56:34 But most of the time I get an excess mA error Oct 09 22:56:59 It'll register the usb device, but eth0 isnt created Oct 09 22:57:17 wlan0, rather Oct 09 22:58:31 Hm. what are you plugging in? Oct 09 22:58:48 wifi card Oct 09 22:59:24 right Oct 09 23:00:50 hmm Oct 09 23:00:51 wrea: hmm, maybe powered hub will have enough power? Oct 09 23:01:04 and further, will negotiate such properly? Oct 09 23:02:39 How would I go about mounting a wifi device? It's been a while since I've played with nitty gritty ifconfig Oct 09 23:02:50 Well, if I wasnt getting enough power I wouldnt be getting an excess mA error, right? Oct 09 23:02:59 ifconfig wlan0 up Oct 09 23:03:08 no such device :( Oct 09 23:03:19 driver? Oct 09 23:03:21 i'm getting a warning that a6000 is linked in Oct 09 23:03:34 eth0 for the internal Oct 09 23:03:37 probably a lack of driver. Oct 09 23:03:45 i'm only getting eth0 and lo Oct 09 23:04:22 I had to compile mine, got a version of my driver for monitor mode Oct 09 23:04:29 wut up Oct 09 23:04:34 hmm Oct 09 23:04:52 so I bought a Pre3 on AT&T already. But I put in a bid on one on ebay and now the seller gave me a second chance offer Oct 09 23:04:56 should I take it? Oct 09 23:05:05 whats the offer? Oct 09 23:05:40 I need a powered hub Oct 09 23:05:49 wrea: I'd need to work on the wifi driver bit, but I've got usb thumbdrives working Oct 09 23:05:55 wrea: Ebay, <$10 Oct 09 23:06:14 Yeah, I know, just haven't needed one before Oct 09 23:06:14 $205 Oct 09 23:06:30 Shadyman, what chipset on the card you want to test? Oct 09 23:07:02 not sure Oct 09 23:07:13 I just grabbed a linksys wireless G card Oct 09 23:07:37 what model? Oct 09 23:08:04 wusb54g v4 Oct 09 23:08:26 Looks like its a Ralink Oct 09 23:09:02 RT2500 Oct 09 23:09:28 wrea: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIGH-SPEED-USB-7-PORT-HUB-POWERED-AC-ADAPTER-CABLE-/130500609168 Oct 09 23:09:45 buy-it-now, free shipping, from US Oct 09 23:10:23 Thanks Oct 09 23:10:33 np :) Oct 09 23:10:43 beats $60 from Best Buy. Oct 09 23:10:55 amirite? Oct 09 23:11:20 should be a 5V, 2A power supply. It'd do better than the 5V, 100mA you're feeding it now ;) Oct 09 23:11:34 even some thumbdrives can pull >100mA from tiem to time Oct 09 23:11:59 its not, or shouldnt be getting only 100ma Oct 09 23:11:59 Shadyman: it could also be that the negotiation is happening between TP and the adapter and the adapter is requesting more than the TP thinks is safe Oct 09 23:12:09 True. Oct 09 23:12:14 if there's a hub between the two the negotiation should do better I think Oct 09 23:12:17 Yeah. Oct 09 23:12:28 That's the one thing about USB.. it's awfully hard to break. Oct 09 23:12:33 ie, overvolt/overamp Oct 09 23:13:38 yeah in this case the touchpad wouldn't even be providing the current so it's basically incorrectly going to say no to just about anything that isn't a really tiny amount I think Oct 09 23:14:02 Yeah. Technically, nothing should be providing power upstream to the TP. Oct 09 23:14:13 TP is going to only provide enough for a data link Oct 09 23:14:33 it's freaking out because it's getting powered when it's not expecting to charge. Oct 09 23:15:51 http://pastebin.com/jv0qjbAq :D Oct 09 23:16:26 whoadamn. The post I made last night about USB Host on the TP has 46 hits already. Oct 09 23:16:34 through the Power of the Google! Oct 09 23:25:48 where is your post? Oct 09 23:27:07 http://erroraccessdenied.com/node/1692 Oct 09 23:36:48 Shadyman, is anything usable once plugged into the hub? Oct 09 23:37:17 depends on drivers Oct 09 23:37:26 USB Mass storage will, keyboards will, mice maybe not Oct 09 23:37:59 The TP can see and use USB mass storage? Oct 09 23:38:49 Yes., Oct 09 23:39:01 i mean,you have to mount it, but yes. Oct 09 23:39:24 nice. How big a mass storage? Like a harddisk? Oct 09 23:40:01 mount at the linux level, with xterm? Oct 09 23:40:27 yeah Oct 09 23:40:47 I'd imagine you can mount anything a 2.6 kernel can mount. Oct 09 23:41:19 are the specific commands detailed anywhere? Oct 09 23:41:54 like a particular directory? Oct 09 23:42:10 should just make a directory somewhere (mkdir foo), then mount it there (mnt /dev/sda1 foo) Oct 09 23:42:30 or if you want to be fancy, you can make a directory in /mnt or /media for it Oct 09 23:42:42 ok, not fussy, then Oct 09 23:43:00 nope Oct 09 23:43:15 thanks! Oct 09 23:43:23 yw :) Oct 10 00:05:51 Shadyman: USB OTG suppiles 5V @ 8ma Oct 10 00:16:38 Ew. Oct 10 00:17:40 how did you measure that? Oct 10 00:18:08 https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/274095_15724118_824311558_n.jpg Oct 10 00:19:08 5v open and 8ma short, or 5v across a load that took 8ma? Oct 10 00:19:47 PuffTheMagic, +1 Oct 10 00:21:02 Would there be a way to find the ID of my otg cable via sysfs? Oct 10 00:26:09 there is an OTG spec in USB they have to supply 8ma, but its device dependant if they want to supply more Oct 10 00:28:05 http://www.edn.com/article/492321-Understanding_USB_On_The_Go.php Oct 10 01:04:06 urgh Oct 10 01:04:19 what's the trick to getting a toaster to flex vertically? Oct 10 01:13:14 press the handle up instead of down to get your toast out? Oct 10 01:13:15 ;) Oct 10 01:13:27 bazING Oct 10 01:29:36 I wish wire were tabbed on the touchpad instead of multicard . . . oh well Oct 10 01:29:40 *wirc Oct 10 01:31:39 Patience Grasshopper. Oct 10 01:36:48 :) Oct 10 01:36:59 I wish there were a webOS update out Oct 10 01:37:41 hrm, kindleside'd mobi files aren't showing up on Kindle :( Oct 10 01:37:54 * rrix wanted to read some Doctorow this evening Oct 10 01:40:38 Oh, I'm silly. I just ran kindleside, I didn't import them >.< Oct 10 01:43:37 Shadyman: successfully trolled Oct 10 01:44:05 Win. Oct 10 01:44:07 * Shadyman trollface Oct 10 02:09:37 * Shadyman dropkicks his TP army Oct 10 02:10:24 roar! Oct 10 02:10:33 Win. Oct 10 02:12:28 ^ dev is stock, ssh server installed, TP is my regular mobile TP, overclocked and whatnot Oct 10 02:13:31 Ooh, power charger cables for the TP have gone clearance at Staples Canada.. 12.97 Oct 10 02:42:10 Heh. http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/10/the-ten-webos-app-catalog-commandments/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 10 02:59:57 2011