**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 13 02:59:57 2011 Oct 13 03:00:01 hmmm Oct 13 03:00:09 this cpu fan is the HUGE Oct 13 03:01:05 like, its the size of france Oct 13 03:04:08 lol Oct 13 03:04:59 CNPS9900A LED Oct 13 03:08:33 ok, enyo installed via Maps - time to side load my enyo app and give it a spin! Oct 13 03:11:36 btw, I'm hearing that the sprint iphone will have the GSM portion carrier locked. is this common for Sprint? Oct 13 03:13:31 wow, so they fixed the scrollers in webOS 2.1 - they now work Oct 13 03:15:33 balrog: That's common for pretty much any carrier, AFAIK Oct 13 03:15:45 Shadyman: I'm told Verizon unlocks after 60-90 days Oct 13 03:15:52 If you ask them nicely Oct 13 03:17:32 I have SDLTerminal. How do I change the font size? Oct 13 03:17:36 I want it to be smaller. Oct 13 03:18:18 Like, 6x4. That's the only way I can get a useful amount of text on it. Oct 13 03:22:48 Good Evening Oct 13 03:39:55 so anyone got Bing maps on an old Pre-? Oct 13 03:53:32 * DougReeder waves hello Oct 13 03:54:22 has anyone determined if the version on Enyo included with Maps is incomplete, like on the Pre3? Oct 13 03:55:19 I suspect its similar to the one on the Pre3 Oct 13 03:55:46 the toggle buttons for example have the same implementation that shipped in the 3.0.0 release that changes in 3.0.2 Oct 13 03:57:01 specific build numbers for enyo would be amazingly helpful Oct 13 03:57:17 this "its all 1.0" is bullshit Oct 13 03:57:33 They do have specific build numbers Oct 13 03:57:50 in the SDK, not in the release that I could find. Oct 13 03:58:08 ipkg info | grep enyo Oct 13 03:58:28 i don'nt know of an analog to Mojo.Environment.build Oct 13 04:00:35 Well, drat. My app depends on the the Enyo Picker, which isn't present in the 2.2 emulator Oct 13 04:00:42 novaterm -> pre2. ipkg info | grep enyo -> nada Oct 13 04:00:57 Works on Pre3 last I heard Oct 13 04:01:46 F this maps thing. It wont even open no matter what I do... Oct 13 04:02:12 Not doctoring iether Oct 13 04:02:21 Bing is worse than Google at finding locations Oct 13 04:02:37 ....for me Oct 13 04:02:39 Ill just install Google back Oct 13 04:02:42 neither bing or google really having anything to do with finding locations Oct 13 04:02:56 it's the gps chip in your device that finds it Oct 13 04:03:15 I mean finding locations by name Oct 13 04:03:18 hey LarrySteeze Oct 13 04:03:21 yo Oct 13 04:03:32 Version: 1.0-102.1 pre3 version Oct 13 04:03:37 from ipkg Oct 13 04:03:39 oh yeah, were you trying to get my attention earlier, wrea? Oct 13 04:04:24 Yeah. at some point last week Oct 13 04:04:28 did anyone else here get contacted directly by microsoft about developing for wp7, by the way? Oct 13 04:04:34 and its there on TP too. but not pre2. Oct 13 04:04:40 wrea: sorry, I have been out of town for the last week Oct 13 04:05:05 No problem Oct 13 04:05:15 anything in particular I can do for ya? Oct 13 04:05:54 so now to extract the actual bits and see what the diffs are Oct 13 04:06:20 Probably just didn't update the ipkg list with the .ipk install Oct 13 04:06:22 TouchPad has enyo package 1.0-117 Oct 13 04:06:57 DougReeder: 3.0.2 production? Oct 13 04:07:07 * DougReeder nods Oct 13 04:09:35 I'm not reassured when old versions of frameworks get tossed over the wall - it feels like they suspect that's all they'll get to release. Oct 13 04:09:54 man novacom/novaterm on windows .. sucks. Oct 13 04:10:01 Works for me Oct 13 04:10:03 is there a way to view touchpad app reviews online Oct 13 04:10:06 No Oct 13 04:10:14 Just the overall star rating Oct 13 04:10:20 compared to the mac version .. seems buggy as hell on windows. Oct 13 04:12:10 * DougReeder wonders how we could have scared him off so fast Oct 13 04:15:23 Good news! You can reinstall Google Maps manually Oct 13 04:16:36 How? Oct 13 04:17:23 Manually package the original maps folder from a doctor, delete the bing maps app, and then use WOSQI to install the .ipk Oct 13 04:17:44 so the Maps Enyo appears to be essentially identical to the Pre3 version Oct 13 04:17:58 I wouldnt be surprised Oct 13 04:18:10 there are some variations in the localization files, but nothing in the built enyo-build.js Oct 13 04:18:17 no JS service or accounts? Oct 13 04:19:23 did a recursive diff of the framework folder for 2.2.3 and this new one - only see localization file diffs Oct 13 04:20:22 Enyo for phones is different from the tablet then Oct 13 04:20:28 *slightly Oct 13 04:21:26 I dont have a version released with 3.0.0 extracted at the moment, that'd be good to compare. Oct 13 04:23:50 hm, what was the production 3.0.0 build number? 643? trying to find the right SDK ... Oct 13 04:33:19 hey all Oct 13 04:33:27 ruhroh Oct 13 04:34:02 irssi isnt as bad as i thought it would be Oct 13 04:34:06 very lightweight Oct 13 04:34:27 OH GOD WHY ARE YOU SYNCING 120GB LION!?!?! WHY?!?!!?!?!?!? Oct 13 04:35:04 lol Oct 13 04:37:26 * DougReeder waves to patrickc Oct 13 04:37:46 hey DougReeder! Oct 13 04:37:48 * halfhalo has cheese Oct 13 04:37:53 15 Mbit/s from Palm, not bad. Oct 13 04:38:32 rwatkins: for? Oct 13 04:38:32 Apple 150KB/sec Oct 13 04:38:44 SDKs from Palm, iOS from Apple Oct 13 04:39:06 ah Oct 13 04:39:18 well, im just trying to get my pre3 to finish booting :/ Oct 13 04:39:38 anyone in here used the webos toaster? got some questions Oct 13 04:39:43 My mother said that HP had abandoned all plans to use webOS, but she's an Android fan. Was she lying? Oct 13 04:39:50 yes Oct 13 04:40:00 no Oct 13 04:40:01 maybe Oct 13 04:40:06 HP doesnt even appear to know. Oct 13 04:40:08 hp abandoned all webos device poduction Oct 13 04:40:14 as far as we know :P Oct 13 04:40:24 we are hoping that theyll license :) Oct 13 04:40:51 what is the toaster question? Oct 13 04:41:06 i have it working, but it is almost all see-through Oct 13 04:41:08 wondering if it browns on both sides Oct 13 04:41:16 or just from the right Oct 13 04:41:19 do u just use some css and put a box around it? Oct 13 04:42:07 pretty much Oct 13 04:42:25 * halfhalo has toast Oct 13 04:42:34 I would make whatever the thing that is in my toaster have css that sets the background and height/width appropriately Oct 13 04:43:01 sugardave: its just an input fo a zip/city.. just an input box and 2 buttons :) Oct 13 04:43:10 so, not much css required for those lol Oct 13 04:43:10 okay Oct 13 04:43:16 ill look into a box Oct 13 04:43:34 toaster -> div -> inputs Oct 13 04:43:39 the div is what you want to style Oct 13 04:44:12 ok thanks Oct 13 04:45:07 rwatkins: ping Oct 13 04:48:32 ya Oct 13 04:48:46 have u installed the new maps app? Oct 13 04:48:51 on your pre3? Oct 13 04:48:51 yes Oct 13 04:48:53 no Oct 13 04:49:12 hmm.. i did, and the pre3 wont boot anymore. was wondering if u had any luck Oct 13 04:49:14 pre2 Oct 13 04:49:24 not sure if its iscolated, or widespread... Oct 13 04:49:35 patrickc: i installed it fine pre3 havnt tried a reboot though Oct 13 04:49:39 thanks for the warning, I'll wait a few days then. :) Oct 13 04:49:51 hewball: i did the reboot, like it said Oct 13 04:50:10 didnt ask me too Oct 13 04:50:13 rwatkins: np :P now to figure out what killed it. time to memboot :P Oct 13 04:50:18 hewball: it should have.. hmm Oct 13 04:51:02 hewball: the one found in the catalog, and after install, it didnt launch the app saying that a reboot was needed for the changes to take effect? Oct 13 04:51:06 maybe it was depression Oct 13 04:51:15 and the weird thing is, it applied to the pre- fine lol Oct 13 04:51:22 it's lonely Oct 13 04:51:44 patrickc: i installed the update lauched it fine no asking for reboot Oct 13 04:51:56 hmm Oct 13 04:52:04 sugardave: fix it :P Oct 13 04:52:15 rebooted fine too Oct 13 04:52:38 weird Oct 13 04:52:45 i hope i dont have to doctor :/ Oct 13 04:54:46 sugardave: palm-install zoloft Oct 13 04:59:10 ah, conveniently old SDK releases are still on the CDN Oct 13 04:59:15 https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/3.0.0.643/sdkBinaries/HP_webOS_SDK-Win-3.0.0-643-x64.exe Oct 13 05:00:25 great things about webos: the "System Updates" app icon is a gift-wrapped box with a bow on it. Oct 13 05:01:49 EricBlade: it awesome Oct 13 05:02:31 not so great things in webos: the calendar says that it's currently 1:09am, and that i have a schedule starting at 8:00pm, in 2 hrs and 30 mins Oct 13 05:02:46 or is that that length of time that the schedule is -for- .. not really clear Oct 13 05:07:29 ping? Oct 13 05:07:42 who are you trying to ping maik? Oct 13 05:07:51 just anyone Oct 13 05:07:56 whats up? Oct 13 05:08:02 just making sure i'm connected Oct 13 05:08:33 u are :) Oct 13 05:08:42 thanks Oct 13 05:08:45 you can go about your business Oct 13 05:08:47 man... i dont want to doctor :/ Oct 13 05:08:55 sugardave: fix it for me :P Oct 13 05:19:00 if I did that, it would take too much time away from this other stuff Oct 13 05:19:52 what other stuff? :) Oct 13 05:20:23 can't say Oct 13 05:21:35 u can trust me. i wont tell anyone :) Oct 13 05:21:56 lol Oct 13 05:21:58 I'll live with the burden Oct 13 05:22:12 lol Oct 13 05:38:24 argh.. now to figure out how to use classes in enyo.. Oct 13 05:39:26 you use kinds Oct 13 05:39:37 i already have my kind. its the toaster Oct 13 05:39:50 okay Oct 13 05:40:12 do i have something like {kind: "Toaster", class: "toasterClass", otherstuff} Oct 13 05:40:13 ? Oct 13 05:40:21 oh you mean css classes Oct 13 05:40:30 className: "myclass" Oct 13 05:40:46 ah ok Oct 13 05:40:48 i just had class Oct 13 05:43:26 enyo supports css3? Oct 13 05:45:44 patrickc just note that some classes explode mightily if you use className Oct 13 05:46:43 i have a theory that everything has an automatically generated custom id field, but i haven't been able to locate the code that generates it, or figure out how it's named Oct 13 05:47:17 it's based on "name" and depends on where in the hierarchy it was created Oct 13 05:47:45 top level ones (rendered directly into body) tend to have ids of that name (from what I've seen) Oct 13 05:48:07 after that, they are named like [kindName]_name and so on Oct 13 05:48:31 it looks like the HP examples use them somewhat frequently, but i don't see any rhyme nor reason to the pattern Oct 13 05:48:37 but if you don't use name, it uses the kind name and appends numbers Oct 13 05:49:44 EricBlade: which classes have you had problems with using className? Oct 13 05:49:58 sugardave: the example that i know of, is Popup Oct 13 05:50:09 i'd expect there would be more somewhere Oct 13 05:50:30 what happens? Oct 13 05:50:43 if you specify a className to a popup, it doesn't render at all Oct 13 05:51:03 even if the class does nothing? Oct 13 05:51:41 right. i assume without knowing exactly where in the code to look, that popup is dependent upon it's class being something, and className overrides class Oct 13 05:51:41 hrm is the 'flick' event supported in enyo? <_< the docs are.. less than bursting with info Oct 13 05:52:00 ser: how's that Happy Meal deal coming along? Oct 13 05:52:07 haha ;D Oct 13 05:52:19 ser: don't make me tell you about how the olden days with Mojo docs used to be Oct 13 05:54:27 Grandpa, tell us a story! Oct 13 05:54:28 lol Oct 13 05:58:17 this "Mosaic" app has been syncing with my Google Reader for almost 24 hours now. Oct 13 06:01:44 sugardave: i was also trying to use a popup the other day with a HtmlContent using a index.html div, but the popup refused to work that way either Oct 13 06:02:07 i may have been using the whole thing wrong, though, i've never used that before Oct 13 06:15:57 I can define a classname for my Toaster with no problem Oct 13 06:17:30 hmm the changelog for iOS5 reads "take all the nice features of webos and jam them into iOS" Oct 13 06:18:20 DougReeder: i was merely attempting to style my app, so i went through and added classNames to everything .. and it all broke apart when i did it on the popups Oct 13 06:19:16 Enyo popups or system popupalerts? Oct 13 06:19:31 enyo popups Oct 13 06:21:27 would it work to change your Popup to a Toaster? Oct 13 06:22:25 those things are ugly :| Oct 13 06:22:43 they are empty shells :P Oct 13 06:23:43 that's what styling is for, right? Oct 13 06:23:51 but they attach to the sides of the display Oct 13 06:24:06 * DougReeder nods Oct 13 06:24:40 seem much more useful for displaying temporary information boxes, or something like that, than for receiving input Oct 13 06:25:06 i guess they are real popular on android, but .. android reminds me of Firefox after you've installed 6000 plugins Oct 13 06:26:03 i could check it to see if it does work, are they otherwise compatible with popup, just change their kind? Oct 13 06:27:19 So far as I know Oct 13 06:28:19 what have i been missing? :) Oct 13 06:28:28 * patrickc has been trying to fix his pre3.. to no avail Oct 13 06:29:00 Who wants to tell patrickc who bought webOS? Oct 13 06:29:24 Google? Oct 13 06:29:29 lemme guess.. apple? Oct 13 06:29:30 :P Oct 13 06:30:02 I'm just messing with you. :-) Oct 13 06:30:04 Disney Oct 13 06:30:08 htc? Oct 13 06:30:14 ooh! I know! RIM! Oct 13 06:30:18 Microsoft Oct 13 06:30:22 NOOOOOOOOO Oct 13 06:30:27 Nah, HTC bowed out today. Oct 13 06:30:55 im find with HTC, Samsung, LG, and even Apple Oct 13 06:30:56 ffffffuuuuu-- Oct 13 06:31:02 but not Microsoft or RIM Oct 13 06:31:09 Apple would just buy for patents Oct 13 06:31:32 whoa.. Enyo now available for all devices? how nice is -that- Oct 13 06:31:39 if we can actually make use of it somehow Oct 13 06:32:12 get it included in Android core :p Oct 13 06:32:14 its installed in /usr/palm/frameworks so packages pick it up by default, just no way to get those in the App Catalog yet Oct 13 06:32:42 rwatkins: right. and having to make a dependency on installing that bing update Oct 13 06:32:45 EricBlade: i would avoid for now Oct 13 06:33:32 EricBlade: its possibly bricked my pre3 (to the point of not being able to ssh into it to fix it) and ive heard its bricked pre2's to the point of doctors Oct 13 06:34:02 well, i shouldnt say "bricked" more like "doesnt work well anymore" :) Oct 13 06:36:36 hmm.. i have novaterm access... i could use that to fix it :) Oct 13 06:36:56 has anyone tried to use the Enyo peoplePicker in this version of Enyo? Oct 13 06:37:20 DougReeder: you mean in webos 3.0.2 / enyo 1.0 ? Oct 13 06:37:29 i think HattChzek was Oct 13 06:38:37 I mean, in the version of Enyo packaged with Maps Oct 13 06:39:23 hmm.. com.palm.app.maps is empty Oct 13 06:39:24 not good Oct 13 06:39:27 The Enyo PeoplePicker works fine in 3.0.2, but not in the 2.2.0 emjlator Oct 13 06:41:42 one-eyed, one-horned blind purple people picker? Oct 13 06:42:20 i'd like to blind it Oct 13 06:42:27 DougReeder: why are u using the 2.2.0 emu? Oct 13 06:43:35 To test Pre3 compatibility Oct 13 06:43:52 argh.. i would test on a real device, but my pre3 isnt happy right now Oct 13 06:43:54 wont boot Oct 13 06:44:43 DougReeder: what app(s) do u need tested? Oct 13 06:44:51 u can PM me. i shoul have the phone up soon Oct 13 06:44:54 should* Oct 13 06:45:26 I don't have anything testable by others at the moment, thanks Oct 13 06:45:45 ok, well u have my email, so u can always semd me a mail and ill help :) Oct 13 06:45:46 DougReeder: i question how closely the emu is to the devices, the useragent on a emu is ... Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; webOS/2.0; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) webOSSystem/221.54 Safari/534.6 Desktop/1.0 Oct 13 06:46:23 but on a device it's .. Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; webOS/2.2.0; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) webOSSystem/221.53 Safari/534.6 Pre/3.0 Oct 13 06:46:27 EricBlade: if u tell me how to get the useragent, ill get it once the device is booted Oct 13 06:46:32 oh, u have one :) Oct 13 06:46:33 Yeah, users are reporting layout problems that don't manifest in the 2.2 emu Oct 13 06:47:10 patrickc: google what is my user agent Oct 13 06:47:37 i will once it is booted :) Oct 13 06:48:16 has anyone tested whethrt last weeks Ap hack sample (speech) now runs on an older device? Oct 13 06:48:30 no clue Oct 13 06:48:41 i didnt partake in the apphack this time :/ Oct 13 06:49:02 Apparenly the plugin stuf changed at some point Oct 13 06:49:26 You can stil dl the sample app and sideload it Oct 13 06:50:10 ben was saying that plugins are supported in 2.1.0+, although i think there were some mentions of this particular one not working in anything but 3, for some reason involving the plugin server or something Oct 13 07:00:45 it would become a read-only filesystem. wouldnt it??? Oct 13 07:00:52 argh.. lol Oct 13 07:01:24 Hmmm? Oct 13 07:01:27 hmm. so, the synergy system is sort of a black-hole for information. Any app can use it to get data into the system, but there's not really any way to get anything back out of it hmm? Oct 13 07:02:07 Only one record at a time Oct 13 07:02:36 And apps can retrieve their own info Oct 13 07:04:27 hello Oct 13 07:04:43 hey panel Oct 13 07:05:08 * DougReeder waves to panel Oct 13 07:06:19 * patrickc crosses fingers Oct 13 07:06:30 * CTLAdvance crosses toes Oct 13 07:06:47 thanks CTLAdvance ill need all the crossing i can get :P Oct 13 07:08:12 * DougReeder waves goodnight Oct 13 07:09:14 * CTLAdvance spent two hours mashing drivers, rubberbands, toothpicks, paper clips and chewwed bubble gum together to update to ios5 through windows 8 Oct 13 07:09:42 * patrickc spent like 2 hours trying to get his pre3 fixe Oct 13 07:09:44 fixed* Oct 13 07:09:47 its fixed now Oct 13 07:09:55 and all because CTLAdvance crossed his toes :) Oct 13 07:10:12 Shit fixes itself when I enter the room Oct 13 07:10:24 2 hours and 35 minutes it took to get it fixed Oct 13 07:10:36 and all i needed was a simple replacing of a directory :S Oct 13 07:10:42 :/ Oct 13 07:10:46 DougReeder: that's sad. there's so much that could be done if external apps could also access that data. Oct 13 07:11:01 well, its fixed now Oct 13 07:11:08 and way past my bedtime :) Oct 13 07:11:09 night all Oct 13 07:11:29 Was the bing maos update an actual os update or just an app package Oct 13 07:11:47 bing maps* Oct 13 07:24:27 hmm. webOS in it's current state would just choke and die trying to run something like the iOS 5 notifications Oct 13 08:18:02 lol. new in iOS 5.. wireless syncing. except the device has to be powered. Oct 13 08:31:24 ... bing maps show's a satellite view of my house that is over 8 years old Oct 13 08:33:10 and it says my drive to work is 18 miles - 350 minutes Oct 13 08:59:55 drive faster Oct 13 09:02:33 lol Oct 13 09:02:34 :) Oct 13 09:03:03 gah, I am so fed up with my Veer Oct 13 09:03:20 it freezes all the time Oct 13 09:03:25 even now, after doctoring it Oct 13 09:03:56 I can't even turn it off properly Oct 13 09:04:05 because I cant pull the battery Oct 13 09:04:16 all I can do is the "hold powerbutton and wiggle mute switch" reset Oct 13 10:09:38 this is a real thing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Fancy_Rat_and_Mouse_Association Oct 13 10:17:35 doctoring my device for the 4th time now. still hanging/freezing issues Oct 13 10:32:16 ugh, i finally got around to setting my calendar up all nice and neatly, and then i remembered that my touchpad clock is less accurate than a stopped clock Oct 13 11:08:55 akanster, so? every pet has a community of pet owners, and every community eventually leads to organized shows and clubs Oct 13 11:09:45 there are at least 4 rat fancies in the UK. Oct 13 11:16:46 Hrm. Pity the Enyo maps app uses Bing for data. Oct 13 11:17:59 The old Google Maps client may have been a steaming pile of manure, but at least a. the map data was better, and b. I could use Latitude with it. Oct 13 15:24:57 dead platform on TechCrunch for good things. Amazing. Oct 13 15:33:02 weren't we told that enyo wasn't coming to anything older than the pre2? Oct 13 15:40:51 are you going to complain about that? Oct 13 15:41:19 I might Oct 13 15:41:26 just because. Oct 13 15:41:34 dammit, overdelivery sucks! Oct 13 15:41:46 chuqui: morning Oct 13 15:41:58 hey, good morning! Oct 13 15:42:07 now its a party! Oct 13 15:43:37 it's not a complaint. it's a surprise, and for once it's a HAPPY one. :) Oct 13 15:45:00 okay, I was going to have to blacklist you Oct 13 15:45:47 Is it possible to install/run enyo apps now that we have that on old devices? Oct 13 15:45:53 I mean is there a source for those? Oct 13 15:46:06 preware for now? Oct 13 15:46:18 do you have an example of an app to test with? Oct 13 15:46:51 toga! toga! toga! toga! Oct 13 15:47:03 oh god.... Oct 13 15:48:55 meh the new maps application doesnt seem to be able to start for me though Oct 13 15:49:21 I think rwatkins tested sideloading his paper mache app last night Oct 13 15:49:24 don't know the outcome Oct 13 15:51:04 morning Oct 13 15:51:09 morning Oct 13 15:51:23 hello Oct 13 15:52:20 rwhitby: good morning Oct 13 15:52:35 sugardave: you in sunnyvale? Oct 13 15:52:36 hm it seems the maps application might cause trouble for unofficial webos versions... maybe that's why it won't start on mine Oct 13 15:52:50 rwhitby: no :( I've missed the last 2 times you've been there Oct 13 15:53:06 sugardave: at least we had New York ;) Oct 13 15:53:12 heh, true Oct 13 15:54:03 ah it did start.. only took 3 min of loading Oct 13 15:55:04 Hmm - need to check out of the hotel, and my suitcase won't close with all these webOS devices in it ... Oct 13 15:56:30 hahaha Oct 13 15:56:42 you'll have to get a new suitcase Oct 13 15:59:16 thats what carryon is for! Oct 13 16:09:04 i'll take all those webos devices off your hands.. then you can close your luggage! Oct 13 16:12:38 I got it closed. Oct 13 16:12:47 ddarn Oct 13 16:23:41 oh I wanna hug someone! this maps app is so much better :) Oct 13 16:24:11 *hug* Oct 13 16:24:22 hey, watch your hands mister! :[ Oct 13 16:26:33 sorry... just a bit excited :) *plays with phone more* Oct 13 16:32:06 sugardave: yes, sideloaded Paper Mache last night, mostly works. Oct 13 16:33:28 some webkit issues - gradients or opacity seems to cause some issues, and some problems with css3 column support Oct 13 16:52:44 rwatkins: not bad :D Oct 13 16:55:50 ya, gonna patch around the opacity gradient issues in css for older devices. will likely need to just disable 'paged' mode and leave only scrolling for now Oct 13 16:56:45 i like how the enyo maps comes out via toasters on the left side - works well with the back gesture. woudl be nice if sliding panes reversed that way in non-multiview mode. Oct 13 17:01:33 Download XCode 4.2 for Snow Leopard w/ iOS 5 -> Access Denied! WTF? Oct 13 17:02:03 the ghost of Steve Jobs said "no XCode for YOU!" Oct 13 17:03:22 indeed. the inevitable creep of "you must have Lion" continues ... Oct 13 17:03:45 ugh Oct 13 17:04:10 I'm sure there's a totally legitimate reason for that Oct 13 17:04:33 like making you give them money Oct 13 17:04:42 precisely Oct 13 17:04:58 seretogis: other than "we released it yesterday but forgot to remove the Early Access restriction on the 10.6 version?" Oct 13 17:06:27 our fully paid up developer account gets the same denied message. Oct 13 17:06:46 man, Steve really doesn't like you very much Oct 13 17:07:09 its the love Apple shows to their developers Oct 13 17:07:45 going to be slightly hard to work and compile code for a phone I just upgraded last night. Oct 13 17:08:07 lol Oct 13 17:09:03 just imagine it on there Oct 13 17:10:39 'its beautiful! no bugs!' Oct 13 17:11:10 that is amazing! Oct 13 17:11:13 well done! Oct 13 17:13:53 hey all Oct 13 17:16:37 them integrals. they be divergent. Oct 13 17:28:13 is there a preware/homebrew channel? Oct 13 17:28:22 #webos-internal Oct 13 17:28:29 #webos-internals * Oct 13 17:28:33 got to go.. bbl Oct 13 17:35:08 * PuffTheMagic finally got tracking numbers for 3 new TouchPads! Oct 13 17:35:18 you lie Oct 13 17:35:49 woo! Oct 13 17:36:30 on a scale of 1 to 10 i really don't give a crap about this math stuff. i really don't want to deal with intergrals or partial fractions. i really don't. Oct 13 17:36:50 halfhalo, so forget about it work on canvas! Oct 13 17:37:24 i would. buuuttttt midterm at 12 Oct 13 17:38:43 and then i get to go do homework for that same class. because someone in their wisdom decided making online work due at 10am was a good freaking idea. Oct 13 17:41:06 PuffTheMagic, does the enyo wirc work on phone sized screens? Oct 13 17:41:19 it runs yes Oct 13 17:41:28 not so usable Oct 13 17:41:32 PatC has done it though Oct 13 17:42:02 of course he has Oct 13 17:42:03 well... you now have a much larger group of potential beta-testers ;) Oct 13 17:54:56 RagingMind, well wirc has been sorta stagnant since oil pseudo-mia Oct 13 17:55:02 sweeeeeeeeeeettttttt Oct 13 17:55:08 newegg has my rma already Oct 13 17:55:13 i've dont a shit load of work that he hasnt had a cnace to review Oct 13 17:55:28 halfhalo, newegg really impressed me with my interaction with them in jan Oct 13 17:55:33 when i had to rma my new mobo Oct 13 17:55:46 they even shipped me a new mobo before i sent them the old one Oct 13 17:55:55 their decent, although nothing beats amazon's rma Oct 13 17:56:01 orly? did you call them up for that? Oct 13 17:56:29 PuffTheMagic: newegg did that for me with an asus lcd/led monitor.... was VERY impressed Oct 13 17:56:30 ya, just had to give a CC # incase i didnt send it back Oct 13 17:56:38 ya i like when companies do that Oct 13 17:56:39 hmm Oct 13 17:56:45 may call em up right now... Oct 13 17:57:15 jmichaelx, im sorta pissed with amazon Oct 13 17:57:37 u know what really sucks Oct 13 17:57:45 having to use your TP to make phone calls Oct 13 17:57:54 because the headset jack is fucked on the pixi Oct 13 17:58:32 PuffTheMagic: TP + skype, i assume? Oct 13 17:58:51 i... pixi? Oct 13 17:59:01 or hp veer^^ Oct 13 17:59:30 the phone jack there is kinda .. meh .. it does work though for me .. anyway sorry to have barged in .. I'm over and out Oct 13 18:00:36 usually i have been able to fix this with a toothpick Oct 13 18:00:40 but nothing is really working now Oct 13 18:04:22 PuffTheMagic, did you try graphite powder? Oct 13 18:04:49 noradtux, i did the qtip + alcohol though Oct 13 18:06:44 the graphite powder worked great on my pre+'s silly headphone jack Oct 13 18:07:12 how long does it freaking take to answer aphone at newegg.... Oct 13 18:07:20 10 years Oct 13 18:23:38 Why are there no terminal apps with tiny fonts? Oct 13 18:25:15 To get a full 80 columns, I have to use Classic and emulate pssh. Oct 13 19:11:15 ha Oct 13 19:11:24 https://gist.github.com/1285068 Oct 13 19:11:36 Recruiter: How many years of Rails experience do you have? Oct 13 19:11:43 DHH: ALL OF THEM Oct 13 19:16:22 win! Oct 13 19:22:19 seen some bad recruiter messages but that takes the cake Oct 13 19:27:16 lol that is pretty amazing Oct 13 19:28:23 maybe James Gosling for a Java position is next on his list Oct 13 19:36:36 hi Oct 13 20:39:54 * EricBlade laughs way too much at today's xkcd Oct 13 20:40:19 today is thursday Oct 13 20:40:56 sky is blue, water is wet, detroit is abandoned Oct 13 20:41:24 my point was, it's yesterday's xkcd :) Oct 13 20:41:26 MWF Oct 13 20:41:41 ohh i didn't realize he had a set schedule Oct 13 20:41:51 my iOS xkcd app just notified me of it today Oct 13 20:42:07 or at least, i just noticed it today since i hardly ever look at my iPod since we got touchpads Oct 13 20:42:11 yeah, he puts out 3 a week, sometimes more Oct 13 20:42:20 but usually it's MWF Oct 13 20:46:15 iHave iPod too, I don't have TP yet, but i don't think iPod is interresting device Oct 13 20:47:21 something is missing on it Oct 13 20:47:24 ok, good night, enjoy your day :) Oct 13 20:52:42 dammit newegg Oct 13 20:57:19 wont cross ship since they already got my mobo from ups Oct 13 21:14:02 so now what Oct 13 21:14:19 yes Oct 13 21:16:20 right Oct 13 21:16:50 Tibfib_: fyisies, I expect nomnomnom on my pre2 as soom as Palm allows it in the app cat <3 Oct 13 21:18:01 lolz Oct 13 21:18:08 it wouldn't run well on that screen size Oct 13 21:18:14 EXCUSES Oct 13 21:18:17 you wouldn't run well on that screen size Oct 13 21:18:18 it's not supposed to do it. Oct 13 21:18:29 AS A PAY CUSTOMER, I DEMAND IT Oct 13 21:18:31 err... wait Oct 13 21:18:52 ZERO STARS DOESN'T WORK ON PRE @ Oct 13 21:18:55 2* Oct 13 21:19:10 :3 Oct 13 21:19:14 bbl Oct 13 21:20:25 don't lie Oct 13 21:26:09 BACK. boom Oct 13 21:29:05 DIE Oct 13 21:54:25 I hop someone can help me here. Oct 13 21:54:37 i by mistake delete my internal storage. Oct 13 21:54:52 and by delete i mean, i deleted the lvm storage Oct 13 21:55:03 oops Oct 13 21:55:19 yes oops is right Oct 13 21:55:39 i wanted to delete the ext3 store but copied the wrong string Oct 13 21:56:12 I deleted everything off of /media/internal by accident once...a sad day Oct 13 21:56:43 yeah. i did that once before. but this time is worse... Oct 13 21:56:48 andybear: you might be able to doctor it to repair it? Oct 13 21:56:56 i tried to doctor. Oct 13 21:57:01 the doctor fails Oct 13 21:57:28 andybear: lame :( you might get some tips in #webos-internals Oct 13 21:58:41 ah, second mistige today, i thought i had clicked that channel :) Oct 13 22:00:20 * halfhalo is awaiting his new mobo... the parts are just sitting here making his desktop look all sad until its build Oct 13 22:32:46 hey i have a question if anyone is dying to answser a question Oct 13 22:33:21 yes Oct 13 22:33:29 thus your question is answered Oct 13 22:33:39 any additional questions will be billed to your account Oct 13 22:34:07 you know how when you make an icon, say on a toolbar, and you tap it? well you know how when your finger is on it, it switches to the second icon "state"? well how do you tell it to switch to that state. i can't find the method / event Oct 13 22:34:25 like for images that have two states vertically Oct 13 22:37:36 in Mojo you added class="selected" and then your CSS would do the magic Oct 13 22:37:55 sometimes, certain widgets were automagic when adding "selected" to them Oct 13 22:38:09 ah let me see. Oct 13 22:38:24 I would imagine you can do something like that, but might have to manage it yourself Oct 13 22:38:33 i'm thinking the latter Oct 13 22:38:52 which wouldn't be bad Oct 13 22:39:10 yeah selected didn't do magic for toolbutton Oct 13 22:45:13 yay lion update Oct 13 22:45:37 I'm not a fan of the iPadification of OS X. Oct 13 22:46:12 I enjoyed using OS X as a dev platform because it was a pretty *nix OS, but it's only a matter of time before you will have to pay extra to use Terminal :P Oct 13 22:46:51 sorry, you can continue eating your Wheaties. *zip* Oct 13 22:51:28 yeah, me either Oct 13 22:51:55 I kind of like it honestly. :I Oct 13 22:52:04 It's a better shift than the way Windows 8 is going, at least. Oct 13 22:52:45 eighthree likes it too, and the "fullscreen app" thing. meanwhile, I have six windows open on two monitors so I don't think I'm the target market ;p Oct 13 22:53:35 the "full screen app" shift in Lion makes multi-monitor setups useless, actually, since you can't have one full screen app on one monitor and another full screen app on the second monitor.. Oct 13 22:53:41 Yeah, I like the full screen apps. Mixed in with a Magic Trackpad (annoying name but damn you feel like a wizard using it) and it's nice Oct 13 22:53:49 yeah, I think that was a huge oversight on Apple's part Oct 13 22:54:05 but I think that their focus was on small screen devices like laptops Oct 13 22:54:12 and not multi monitor desktops Oct 13 22:54:17 hopefully it gets changed down the line Oct 13 22:54:25 using Spaces properly was way more productive than full screen apps, imo Oct 13 22:55:05 full screen is lame Oct 13 22:55:08 SineOt unfortunately you don't really have the option to "turn it off" and you are forced into the upgrade cycle Oct 13 22:55:08 I still use spaces, it's just now stuff like Safari and a few other apps get their own full screen space. Since a four finger swipe side to side switches it's really pretty natural to use Oct 13 22:55:09 I don't care. Oct 13 22:55:33 spaces are awesome Oct 13 22:55:42 yeah I love Spaces and Expose Oct 13 22:55:56 mission control is cool. don't understand expose. Oct 13 22:56:10 mission control is just spaces+expose Oct 13 22:56:23 iirc Oct 13 22:56:28 four finger swipes are awesome. Up? Mission control. Left or right? Next space. Down? Current app expose. Oct 13 22:56:30 expose only does the open app though Oct 13 22:56:40 that's not true Tibfib_ Oct 13 22:56:42 expose is worthless to me. Oct 13 22:56:52 expose can show all app windows Oct 13 22:56:54 seretogis: what am I doing wrong? Oct 13 22:56:56 how? Oct 13 22:57:05 Expose has 3 different options. Most of it got rolled into Mission Control (the show all app windows bit) Oct 13 22:57:27 http://www.iclarified.com/images/tutorials/132/492/492-500.png Oct 13 22:57:35 All windows is the one you want I think Oct 13 22:57:42 it's been a couple years since I've used OSX Oct 13 22:58:20 All Windows is gone in Lion, it's Mission Control now. Oct 13 22:58:28 ahh Oct 13 22:58:46 so in Lion expose would be useless ;p Oct 13 22:58:49 yeah Oct 13 22:58:51 oh well, I loved it. :'( Oct 13 22:59:01 well mission control is awewsome Oct 13 22:59:19 Mission Control is basically if you pulled up all windows and then hit F8 to show all spaces Oct 13 22:59:29 so it's not really "gone" per say except in name Oct 13 22:59:47 ^ interesting spelling of awesome Oct 13 23:00:29 best spelling evar Oct 13 23:01:33 I've built my first app's preferences/settings screen. now to make it do stuff! :D Oct 13 23:25:30 yay. I am using iTunes. Oct 13 23:25:39 for the first time in...ever Oct 13 23:26:48 * haeffb back on win7 Oct 13 23:26:50 bool Oct 13 23:26:52 boo. Oct 13 23:26:57 bool. Oct 13 23:27:01 false Oct 13 23:27:20 agreed Oct 13 23:29:35 haeffb: I'm on mac and I'm still not using iTunes Oct 13 23:30:20 I figured I'd need it for the iPhone Oct 13 23:32:45 ah picking it up tomorrow? Oct 13 23:32:45 iTunes can't find cover art for 34 of my 144 albums. Seems like a relatively low success rate... Oct 13 23:32:54 supposed to be delivered Oct 13 23:33:00 tomorrow or sat Oct 13 23:33:09 whoa. phantom vibration just barely. Thought I got a text. Oct 13 23:33:20 phone isn't in my pocket. Oct 13 23:33:39 you just got a text that you're having a stroke Oct 13 23:33:56 haeffb: stuff has to be on the iTunes store for it to find the cover art, otherwise it just skips over it. Oct 13 23:34:04 "Excluding extreme circumstances, we'll do our best to get it to you Friday, Oct. 14 or Saturday, Oct. 15." Oct 13 23:34:05 It's picky as all get out. Oct 13 23:35:55 so, if i wanted to purchase new music, what's the best way...? Oct 13 23:35:59 amazon? Oct 13 23:36:09 * dwc- likes amazon Oct 13 23:36:23 well, for music Oct 13 23:36:26 amazon is definitely the best for music Oct 13 23:36:30 not necc for their business practices Oct 13 23:37:08 dwc-: at least they have excellent customer service Oct 13 23:37:21 dwc-: doesn't like low prices and cheap shipping? Oct 13 23:37:34 I dunno, since iTunes is basically DRM free now I'll take 256 AAC over 256 MP3 any day Oct 13 23:37:46 but Amazon's pricing can be hard to beat sometimes Oct 13 23:37:49 nver used their customer service Oct 13 23:38:00 their shipping isn't "cheap" but is "reasonable" Oct 13 23:38:58 I use Amazon Prime, so I get two-day shipping for $0 Oct 13 23:39:14 I don't buy enough stuff from them to make prime worth it Oct 13 23:39:33 when I moved last year all my moving boxes were Amazon boxes ;p Oct 13 23:39:54 dwc-: "borrow" a student .edu email, get Prime for free :Q Oct 13 23:40:11 I'm not all that fond of theirs (or other Large Online Merchants) claiming the victim re: sales tax collection Oct 13 23:40:27 and then be able to sign up again for 35$ I think after it expires Oct 13 23:40:29 SineOt: I have an old edu account I could use, but I've been long not a student Oct 13 23:41:32 dwc-: well, sales tax collection isn't their business. Oct 13 23:43:17 also, sales taxes are regressive and just bad ideas to begin with ;p Oct 13 23:44:54 here in Washington state the poor pay 17% of their income in taxes, the highest of any US state, and we have no income tax Oct 13 23:45:52 seretogis: they claim to be able to do all sorts of tons of optimziations and infrastructure, but they play the victim when it comes to "complicated tax laws" (which they are, but that's a cop out, imo) Oct 13 23:46:57 collecting NY and CA sales tax wasn't going to kill them, but yet they were willing to cut off tons of their partners and affiliates in an attempt to skirt having to collect it on behalf of those states Oct 13 23:47:59 (where'd the 17% come from anyways?) Oct 13 23:48:08 Amazon has to collect sales tax in states where they have operations -- Washington (their HQ), Texas (subsidiaries), etc Oct 13 23:48:20 they have subsidiaries in CA Oct 13 23:48:30 subsidiaries, or affiliates? Oct 13 23:48:38 as in, stores selling their content through Amazon Oct 13 23:48:44 lab 126 is in CA, developer of the kindle Oct 13 23:49:06 A9, their search thing, is also in CA Oct 13 23:49:38 then their case in CA is weaker than other states which have also tried to force them to collect sales tax because they allow other companies to sell through the Amazon site Oct 13 23:50:00 anyways, this is sorta off-topic Oct 13 23:50:20 we should probably take this to /msg Oct 13 23:50:40 re: 17%: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Sales-tax-hits-state-s-poor-where-it-hurts-the-1165869.php Oct 13 23:55:45 Sprint is weird sometimes. iPhone 4S: Buy it SIM unlocked, then after purchase it gets remotely SIM locked, then after 60 days you can get it manually unlocked… Again. Wat. Oct 13 23:56:39 makes sense... if it's sim locked, and you paid a subsidized price Oct 13 23:56:45 then you can't just run off with their money Oct 13 23:57:21 Yeah, but then why sell it to you SIM unlocked in the first place? Oct 13 23:57:46 dunno. maybe some mfr refused to give it to them locked. Oct 13 23:58:33 Fairly sure that ATT gets them locked. Oct 13 23:58:49 Same with Verizon from what's been said. Oct 13 23:59:32 whooooo knows Oct 14 00:01:07 Maybe they're trying to woo T-mo folks over? Since it's a remote lock sometime after purchase, I don't see why you couldn't just like… Put it in airplane mode and never let it connect to Sprint before they lock it. Even with an ETF it'd still be cheaper than buying it unlocked, I'd imagine. Oct 14 00:03:26 Sprint just raised their ETFs Oct 14 00:03:40 Yup, to 350 from what I remember. Oct 14 00:03:44 if it's in airplane mode, how are you going to use it on tmobile Oct 14 00:04:58 Dunno, I'm sure someone will figure it out. Oct 14 00:05:13 so $350 + the first month / setup & activation charges + the subsidized price you paid Oct 14 00:05:36 probably more expensive than buying it unlocked Oct 14 00:06:28 unless you get it through Amazon for a penny or something ;p Oct 14 00:06:51 Unlocked 16GB: 649$ versus Sprint+Everything for 665$ Oct 14 00:07:45 So it'd be cheaper only if you can get the activation waived. Oct 14 00:10:34 I can't find the new Maps app in the App Catalog :( Oct 14 00:15:07 Can anyone get the package file with Impostah (com.palm.app.maps) and email it to me please? Oct 14 00:18:03 Impostah does not do that Oct 14 00:25:53 Is there any way I could use a web browser and change the User Agent to be able to download that app? Oct 14 00:35:19 download from where? Oct 14 00:35:32 apps are not downloaded via the web browser Oct 14 00:58:34 hrm, I'm really screwed Oct 14 00:58:42 you? Oct 14 00:58:48 why are you "screwed"???? Oct 14 00:59:44 unless I go back to 1.4.5 Oct 14 00:59:51 heh Oct 14 00:59:55 there's no way I can install the new Maps app with Enyo :/ Oct 14 01:00:12 I apologize, I took it as a literal "my life is screwed" kind of thing, sorry about that. Oct 14 01:00:23 well.. I could try just to copy the enyo folder in frameworks.. would be worth a try Oct 14 01:11:46 rwhitby: do you know if app's install scripts are kept on the device? Would there be a way to know which files the new Maps app installs and create an "Enyo" package out of it? Oct 14 01:37:56 fastest way to download the iOS SDK? Apparently its bittorrent via Pirate Bay. Apple.com 50k/ sec. ugh. Oct 14 01:38:21 Spanska: i don't imagine anyone has managed to repackage the google maps app for re-installation after binging it? Oct 14 01:39:11 just .. cd /usr/palm/applications, copy off the maps app before installing. then palm-package the directory you just copied off. Oct 14 01:39:41 I can't install it, it's not in my App Catalog view apparently Oct 14 01:39:42 or extract it from an doctor and do the same. Oct 14 01:39:57 that's why I'm looking to get it through another mean Oct 14 01:40:42 try downloading the pre3 doctor, extract the maps app from there, repackage and install in your pre Oct 14 01:40:51 pre3 having the bing version already Oct 14 01:41:13 I wonder if it'll come with the Enyo framework though Oct 14 01:41:50 no, but the enyou framework is essentially identical. pull the enyo directory frm the frameworks folder and copy manually then. Oct 14 01:42:23 i diffed the bing enyo vs. the pre3 enyo and it was only some language resource files - the build enyo-build.js was identical. Oct 14 01:43:38 rwatkins-afk: I'll try this out, thanks ;) Oct 14 01:58:33 wish the pre3 enyo was identical to the touchpad enyo :[ Oct 14 01:59:10 there is no maps app in the Pre 3 doctor for AT&T.. weird Oct 14 01:59:32 I have it on my AT&T Pre 3 Oct 14 01:59:41 weird that it wouldn't be in the doctor Oct 14 01:59:54 I have no idea where it is.. it isn't in the regular folder Oct 14 02:01:41 hrm, same thing for the unlocked Pre 3 doctor.. really strange Oct 14 02:02:34 I can see Enyo 0.1 which seems old to me **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 14 02:59:57 2011