**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 14 02:59:57 2011 Oct 14 03:10:58 i really hope the next updates come out. just realized that can actually do stuff faster on splashtop than can on the touchpad. and i also just realized that splashtop not only doesn't use the control key, it doesn't use the shift key either. that's pretty sad. Oct 14 03:11:14 *come out soon Oct 14 03:11:28 oh shift-8 works, shift letters do not. weird. Oct 14 03:18:12 so how's gvoice on pre2 on enyo? Oct 14 03:19:09 gnome shell folks took a play right out of webos's playbook Oct 14 03:19:17 gnome extensions are written in js and css Oct 14 03:22:29 I kind of doubt that they got the idea from webOS Oct 14 03:37:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbz0X_7waU&feature=share Oct 14 04:27:56 hemna opera extensions are virtually identical to webos Oct 14 04:28:31 dwc-: i dont know i havent had a chance to try to get it plugged into an emulator .. Oct 14 04:28:45 havent located a person to test it. you have a device to test it on dwc Oct 14 04:30:25 I haven't enyo'd my pre2 yet Oct 14 04:30:36 but I can't get it out of the appcat either Oct 14 04:38:41 Woo, new phone tomorrow Oct 14 04:38:54 Unfortunately not a pre 3, but gotta take what I can get. Oct 14 04:39:15 ebay can get you a pre3 for a few bills Oct 14 04:39:32 unlocked, off contract Oct 14 04:40:57 Unlocked and off-contract don't mean much to me when it's a personal phone running a currently dead-end OS Oct 14 04:41:13 Plus I don't know if you can even get a model made for Verizon Oct 14 04:41:29 oh... those are more epxensive Oct 14 04:41:57 Might pick one up later just for personal development fiddling, but I had to replace my phone Oct 14 04:42:41 And since the iPhone 4S came out and the Pre 3 is unfortunately not available, the iPhone won. Android's not an option, since that's what I wanted to replace. Oct 14 04:45:26 fair enough Oct 14 04:46:02 I also take a lot of pleasure in the fact that it infuriates some of my friends that I would buy an iPhone. Oct 14 04:48:24 lol Oct 14 04:48:30 awesome reason Oct 14 04:48:55 Not a reason, just an awesome side-effect Oct 14 04:49:38 ...my cat is eating fruity pebbles Oct 14 04:49:50 That's probably not good for kitty Oct 14 04:49:57 However, I suggest recording a video of it Oct 14 04:50:24 she only had one or two pieces Oct 14 04:50:36 she also like teco bell bean burritos Oct 14 04:50:41 O_o Oct 14 04:50:51 Oh god, that reminds me.. there's half of a bean burrito in my fridge.. Oct 14 04:50:56 Been there like a week Oct 14 04:51:05 eww Oct 14 04:51:12 and pop tarts Oct 14 04:51:14 nuke/orbit/just to be sure Oct 14 04:51:37 It might still be good Oct 14 04:51:44 She's a junk food kitty Oct 14 04:51:50 Speaking of which, some large animal bit my kitty last night :( Oct 14 04:51:52 It's taco bell, so you know it's probably synthetic Oct 14 04:51:58 sooo.... new video card time methinks Oct 14 04:52:04 dad had to take him to the vet today. He's all weak and stuff :( Oct 14 04:52:15 Shadyman, thats why my cat is inside only Oct 14 04:52:23 ouch Oct 14 04:52:31 had a pitbull bit my dog once Oct 14 04:52:32 One of my cats recently had a UTI. Was more annoying than anything else. Oct 14 04:52:32 not fun Oct 14 04:52:33 Yeah. My cat wouldn't survive indoors. He has way too much fun outside :( Oct 14 04:52:42 jumps from tree to tree, etc Oct 14 04:52:57 chases birds, eats moles Oct 14 04:53:13 so we no longer have a mole problem in our yard ;) Oct 14 04:53:16 lol Oct 14 04:53:27 My cats just drag tons of mice up to the porch Oct 14 04:53:34 We Oct 14 04:53:42 We're not good enough to get delivery. He hogs all teh grub. Oct 14 04:54:01 didn't know moles could be a problem Oct 14 04:54:04 The odd thing is they're probably descendants of the same mice we released into the wild. Oct 14 04:54:06 he basically just fishes 'em out. Pokes them with his paw to get them pissed off, then reaches in face-first and grabs them out. Oct 14 04:54:15 it'd just be nice to have a cat that takes care of the roaches Oct 14 04:54:33 torchie: My cat will eat just about anything. Oct 14 04:54:42 he sees something interesting on teh floor? NOM. Oct 14 04:54:45 My cats are picky jerks. Oct 14 04:54:54 Basically, it has to be mice, bugs, or dry food. Oct 14 04:54:58 eh, protein Oct 14 04:55:08 our cats will eat most anything Oct 14 04:55:17 They actually dislike the canned food Oct 14 04:55:24 and have no problem drinking out of the toilet Oct 14 04:55:43 My parrots, on the other hand, will eat anything I eat Oct 14 04:55:44 though he has to have company to eat from his bowl of kibble. He was a stray that was likely bullied away from food, so he needs reassurance that it's okay for him to eat Oct 14 04:56:01 Especially pizza and cheezits. If they see either of those, there's no placating them. Oct 14 04:56:31 someone had dumped him on at a friend's farm. They see a barn, and assume they'll have a nice cushy life there. Problem? That barn already has barn cats. Nasty ones. Oct 14 04:57:01 and he wanted to just come right inside their house when they opened the door Oct 14 04:57:19 * halfhalo grumbles at ati Oct 14 04:57:24 y ati? Oct 14 04:57:30 My friends brother has a barn with a cat Oct 14 04:57:39 Very cool and friendly barn cat Oct 14 04:57:44 Had a bunch of barn cats back when I liked in California Oct 14 04:57:48 because i can't find another 5850 for a reasonable price to xfire with. Oct 14 04:57:52 They were awesome, though they hated other cats as usual Oct 14 04:58:04 Very scruffed up though and its white, or originally Oct 14 05:00:02 * halfhalo is debating selling 5850 and getting 6950 Oct 14 05:01:49 6990 Oct 14 05:02:23 5850 to 6950 is probably minimal Oct 14 05:02:50 can't fit 6990 in my case Oct 14 05:03:02 and plus, I can sellthe 5850 for like 160 Oct 14 05:03:22 because its still faster than that crap they call a 6850 Oct 14 05:04:23 but can't they get a new 5850 for about tha tmuch? Oct 14 05:06:29 no Oct 14 05:06:35 only one 5850 is still being made Oct 14 05:07:17 although... I may just wait tillt he 7xxx series and get the 7990. because if ati is true to form, it will only be midly faster than my 5850 is now. Oct 14 05:09:27 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131446 must... resist... buying... shiny... Oct 14 05:10:08 Guy I know just started watching Jersey Shore.. I think I might have to put him down. Oct 14 05:11:01 Nilium: Please. Oct 14 05:13:42 Ditto Oct 14 05:13:50 ++ Oct 14 05:27:17 Speaking of which.. I got Early Access. Yay :D Oct 14 05:27:28 cool Oct 14 05:27:54 Supposedly? Oct 14 05:28:31 sure? Oct 14 05:28:32 I don't *see* any extra forums Oct 14 05:28:43 might take a bit Oct 14 05:29:00 probably a daily cron job or somesuch Oct 14 05:29:23 Dur Oct 14 05:29:26 or the "Sign In" button. Oct 14 05:29:42 lol Oct 14 05:29:56 Hurr Durr Derp Oct 14 05:31:06 One cannot trust a porpoise.. Oct 14 05:31:57 should get in by saying im developing a rich person app :P Oct 14 05:32:24 I'm developing an app that will get HP's board to stop sucking Oct 14 05:32:34 imposible Oct 14 05:32:40 I know, merely a pipedream Oct 14 05:33:03 imposible sounded way better in my head. with a spanish accent. Oct 14 05:33:22 I treated it as a fake french accent Oct 14 05:33:34 Impozzybleh Oct 14 05:33:39 I'm half tempted to try to bootcamp my air again... hmmmm Oct 14 05:33:55 it is literally the fastest computer in my house right now... Oct 14 05:34:56 which is really sad Oct 14 05:35:44 silly i5 showing up a q6600 Oct 14 05:37:19 lolpentium Oct 14 05:38:37 anyone get Spotify working on HSPA+? Oct 14 05:40:09 bah, spotify Oct 14 05:41:04 huh... the cpu in my brothers desktop is faster than my q6600 Oct 14 05:43:43 buuuuttttt its amd Oct 14 05:47:12 never thought i would have to boot into windows to try and do something linux cant.. Oct 14 05:47:16 yet should Oct 14 05:47:38 notsureifserious.jpg Oct 14 05:47:49 lol Oct 14 05:48:08 linux wouldn't find my device for memboot while in recovery mode Oct 14 05:52:08 Uhh Oct 14 05:52:17 Okay. Oct 14 05:57:32 Shadyman: sorry, that should have been in #webos-internals :) Oct 14 05:57:41 its nothing to do with dev'ing lol Oct 14 05:57:55 Nah, it was just a bit over my head. Oct 14 05:58:43 I'm putting android on my touchpad.. which requires some extra steps :) Oct 14 06:36:28 Oh dear. Can someone explain why Bing Maps is "much much better" than google maps? Oct 14 06:38:24 Bird's eye view, probably. Oct 14 06:39:10 Google maps added it recently though, so don't know how applicable that is anymore. Oct 14 07:30:50 dwc-: sorry i was splashtopping to my pc earlier (man that program seemed so awesome when we first got it, but it's got so many shortcomings.. ugh) sorry i didn't get back to you. i would be more than happy to supply an ipk if someone has a device with enyo loaded to try it on Oct 14 08:18:49 howdo Oct 14 10:39:56 is it probably a bad thing that my Messenger was using 28000 handles, according to jstop ? Oct 14 10:40:14 the built in Messenger, not the one i maintain Oct 14 12:00:53 i hear that there's a switch on webOS to turn your phones into Blackberrys Oct 14 12:02:04 i can't figure out why they called it "airplane mode" though Oct 14 12:02:13 *ba dum ching* Oct 14 13:09:45 woo wildn free is live Oct 14 13:09:47 bbl Oct 14 13:11:06 so HP, hows that monthly Pivot thing coming along? Oct 14 14:10:52 brr Oct 14 14:11:10 11°C in germany Oct 14 14:18:47 same in slovakia Oct 14 14:21:18 already 80F here Oct 14 14:21:20 :p Oct 14 14:24:59 :) Oct 14 14:26:10 80F is fine Oct 14 14:26:25 want be there :) Oct 14 14:49:15 It is supposed to be 100F here today Oct 14 15:01:50 morning all Oct 14 15:03:02 how large that can or be the icon on the launcher ?? for my app also from pre 3 o pre Oct 14 15:03:03 ? Oct 14 15:03:51 I think up to 64x64 Oct 14 15:03:58 but not totally sure Oct 14 15:04:49 sugardave? you know? Oct 14 15:06:04 64x64 for pre1-2 Oct 14 15:06:18 you will also need a 48x48 icon for submission Oct 14 15:06:46 and it is scaled up on the pre3. so create a folder "1.5" and place there a bigger icon Oct 14 15:07:10 to avoid pixelness. Oct 14 15:07:19 ok i only need to create the dir or i have to check something ? Oct 14 15:07:40 it's a problem of webos choose the right icon true? Oct 14 15:08:36 becuase i made 48x48 called icon.png ando another 64x64 called icon_64.png for old devices but now i whant to make it looking better on my pre 3 Oct 14 15:10:34 if i remember right you have to place a same named file in a folder named "1.5". that folder has to be where you "legacy" icons or/and graphics are. Oct 14 15:16:11 Darkmagister: yep, with the folder the webkit will choose the factor 1.5 scaled images automagically on a pre3 Oct 14 15:16:22 ok Oct 14 15:19:07 * halfhalo yawns Oct 14 15:19:10 and has coke! Oct 14 15:22:42 if i launche the app in touchpad ... it work like on emulatore ... in the windowed mode ... so it use the normal icon true ? Oct 14 15:29:45 btw. i have used 128x128 icon in my app and it's automatically resized in my pre+ / pre2 Oct 14 15:30:51 but I don't know about submission, I have all my apps only in preware Oct 14 15:30:59 ok, bye Oct 14 15:34:28 ok thanks i try ;) Oct 14 15:34:40 i'm going to try Oct 14 16:22:02 How is everyone? Oct 14 16:22:10 Hey pc-world Oct 14 16:23:05 hi Oct 14 16:23:07 fine ;) Oct 14 16:23:21 I got FTPit installed Oct 14 16:23:26 Need to get the fix installed :) Oct 14 16:23:29 Ill let u know Oct 14 16:23:31 but nervous that HP won't approve the update before weekend ;-) Oct 14 16:23:50 I hope it does Oct 14 16:23:52 do you get -100 or license error? Oct 14 16:24:00 Did u talk to dkirker/adora/chuq? Oct 14 16:24:08 I don't have a server anymore. Have to sign up for one :) Oct 14 16:24:14 The old one went byebye lol Oct 14 16:24:22 you can check via local mode Oct 14 16:24:39 Ah o Oct 14 16:24:41 Ok* Oct 14 16:24:45 your freehoster shut down your website? Oct 14 16:24:50 Ill do that once I'm back in webos (ducks) Oct 14 16:24:58 I decided not to use them anymore. Very poor uptime Oct 14 16:25:06 Brb Oct 14 16:26:26 for those who get -100 but not the license error, now at least a bulletin (from Metrix) should come up Oct 14 16:28:31 PatrickC: well, I talked with Ben when solving the license issue, he said he could e-mail Lisa, but since then he didn't respond if he actually mailed her Oct 14 16:28:57 and I don't know if there's an effective way to get in touch with Lisa or dkirker Oct 14 16:35:27 pc-world: on here Oct 14 16:35:35 Lisa is adora and donald is dkirker Oct 14 16:35:40 Or u could nicely ask sugardave :) Oct 14 16:36:00 ask me what? Oct 14 16:36:19 pc-world has a massive show-stopper bug in his app Oct 14 16:36:26 And needs it approved :) Oct 14 16:36:34 sugardave: My app has been unusable because of the PDK license check I've used and couldn't test it before submitting. Oct 14 16:37:05 sugardave: There was an issue with statically linking to libcurl. Ben Combee helped me to figure out the problem Oct 14 16:37:10 and you have an update you want approved? Oct 14 16:37:35 sugardave: I've already got about 15 support e-mails and 2 bad reviews. Yes, would be cool if it could get reviewed today. Oct 14 16:37:59 k, let me see what I can do Oct 14 16:38:12 sugardave is awesome :) Oct 14 16:38:25 sugardave: What is strange is that the review team didn't notice the issue when reviewing... Either they didn't really test the app or they had a way to overwrite the license check function Oct 14 16:38:59 what app is it? Oct 14 16:39:44 de.pcworldsoftware.ftpit Oct 14 16:39:49 FTPit!, FTP client Oct 14 16:39:56 okay, thanks Oct 14 16:40:04 hi Oct 14 16:40:11 panel: hi Oct 14 16:40:19 Hey panel Oct 14 16:40:32 how is doin' FTPit ? Oct 14 16:40:40 PatrickC hello Oct 14 16:41:08 panel: current version in the App Catalog doesn't work... :-/ Because of the license check I've used and had no way to test it before submitting Oct 14 16:41:23 sugardave: Thanks! Oct 14 16:42:48 pc-world :\ Oct 14 16:43:18 they have test it, before they approved it ? Oct 14 16:43:34 pc-world: okay, I've made my wishes known...maybe you will get lucky :D Oct 14 16:43:44 sugardave: Thank you very much. Oct 14 16:44:04 panel: That's a really good question... Either they didn't really test it or they override the license check function before testing Oct 14 16:53:26 license check? Oct 14 16:54:24 I'm looking for exhibitionSample code and I'm not finding it. I must be blind. Oct 14 16:57:00 nohorse: here is AN exhibition sample app...from the weekly app hack Oct 14 16:57:05 https://github.com/palm/Weekly-App-Hack Oct 14 16:58:21 I see that one, but I'm not finding the AppAssistant.prototype.handleLaunch code. I'm not sure where to put that. Oct 14 16:58:54 hmm, that sounds pretty Mojo-y Oct 14 16:59:06 so is Enyo available to dev for now on older phones because of the M$ maps app? Oct 14 16:59:47 if you're doing an enyo app, you would put that function's code somewhere and use an ApplicationEvents kind maybe to listen for a launch event... Oct 14 16:59:54 hemna: No, at least not AppCatalog-compatible (afaik) Oct 14 17:00:43 nohorse: but the OG exhibition sample is in the SDK install dir under support/more-examples Oct 14 17:00:58 I hear it is missing some things and will likely be updated Oct 14 17:00:59 I see. hp just included enyo in the M$ map app itself Oct 14 17:01:22 hemna: sort of...it is in the frameworks dir Oct 14 17:01:27 huh Oct 14 17:01:35 so you CAN technically write enyo apps and run them Oct 14 17:01:44 but I'm unsure about catalog compatibility Oct 14 17:02:30 I guess I'll just try installing my enyo app on my pre and see what happens Oct 14 17:03:42 heh, it works Oct 14 17:03:57 kindov Oct 14 17:04:16 Lol Oct 14 17:04:47 it uses 3 sliding panels, and I can't see the handles to pull them from the right Oct 14 17:04:57 hemna: I was talking about submitting apps Oct 14 17:05:24 well I'm just surprised it works at all Oct 14 17:52:18 Hey Loudergood Oct 14 18:17:33 Is there a way to kill an app from the command line? I'm playing around with Exhibition mode and when I deploy a new version to the TP, it looks like the old version of the app is still hanging around. is there a TP task manager? Oct 14 18:19:02 nohorse: there is a luna-send command that will kill it Oct 14 18:21:12 or switch to clock and back Oct 14 18:31:09 it seems like my exhibition app is cached. switching back and forth will not re-launch. I'd like to respond to an "unload" event and tear down my app Oct 14 18:33:08 if your app is the current exhibition app, it runs in the background Oct 14 18:34:33 I'm new to luna-send. I need to install Xecutah on the TP, or can I send them from the teathered PC? Oct 14 18:34:45 nohorse: I use this for a headless app that I'm going to be adding exhibition support to Oct 14 18:34:50 https://gist.github.com/1287905 Oct 14 18:35:18 its what, stageDeactivate? Oct 14 18:35:49 nohorse: you luna-send through novaterm from the pc your device is usb'd into Oct 14 18:57:14 novaterm throwning errors on WIndows 8. is there another option? I've got xterm and xserver installed on the TP googleing around for how to use them... Oct 14 19:00:19 sup Oct 14 19:35:28 Hey all Oct 14 20:23:17 woo. Oct 14 20:23:35 mit interview in a 25 Oct 14 20:23:48 interview? Oct 14 20:23:54 like as in what? Oct 14 20:24:01 part of the application process Oct 14 20:24:05 oh Oct 14 20:24:06 neat Oct 14 20:24:13 I didn't apply to MIT Oct 14 20:24:21 heh. If I come back with an angry demeanor, it didn't go well Oct 14 20:24:23 in retrospect, I maybe should have Oct 14 20:26:07 alright, bbl Oct 14 20:26:13 good luck Oct 14 20:32:43 https://gist.github.com/1288024 Oct 14 20:32:55 if anyone wants some webosZombie stickers Oct 14 20:33:06 (perfect to cover HP logo from TP and pre3) Oct 14 20:33:47 https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1508850076/madgad-zombie-tux-webos.png Oct 14 20:34:00 thats webosZombie Oct 14 20:41:48 good luck tibfib Oct 14 20:44:29 Go tinting Oct 14 20:44:38 Tibfib * Oct 14 20:44:57 Gl* argh lol Oct 14 21:03:07 iPhone 4s has arrived Oct 14 21:05:54 so long, frankenPre2. :( Oct 14 21:11:05 haeffb: daw Oct 14 21:13:11 haeffb: I still have my Pre - now rocking Enyo and Bing maps :D Oct 14 21:14:00 frankenPre2 is rocking Enyo and Bing maps. But it's now a wifi only device. Oct 14 21:15:19 I have to decide if it's worth it to stay with Sprint or just move to ATT with the Pre3 Oct 14 21:17:29 sugardave: the pre3 is pretty awesome Oct 14 21:17:34 If I could switch, I would Oct 14 21:34:28 * halfhalo is trying to eat a burrito on his bed but is dog is having none of that Oct 14 21:36:47 lol Oct 14 21:38:00 I dont think palm will let me have my veer back Oct 14 21:39:27 ... Oct 14 21:40:03 Still getting the runaround Oct 14 21:50:36 i found the webos dr. 3.04. wondering if i should flash this on my TP Oct 14 21:54:53 boo. iPhone doesn't sync photos from google contacts Oct 14 21:55:14 boohoo Oct 14 21:56:13 ... Oct 14 21:56:19 hmmm so that didn't go terribly Oct 14 21:56:32 Tibfib_: cool! Oct 14 21:58:00 it didn't go wonderfully either. Oct 14 21:58:09 boo Oct 14 21:58:22 interview? Oct 14 21:58:24 but who knows Oct 14 21:58:26 yeah Oct 14 21:58:36 where at? Oct 14 21:58:40 for what ? Oct 14 21:58:46 as part of an application process for MIT Oct 14 21:58:48 yeah, I didn't think I did very well in my last interview and look where I am now! Oct 14 21:58:53 oh for college? Oct 14 21:58:56 yep Oct 14 21:59:02 good luck Oct 14 21:59:08 thanks hah. Oct 14 21:59:10 what do you want to study?? Oct 14 21:59:16 comp science Oct 14 21:59:24 or journalism. Oct 14 21:59:29 j/k Oct 14 21:59:46 study electrical engineering / comp science Oct 14 21:59:53 VICODANAX: 3.0.4 is unreleased. Oct 14 22:00:03 dwc: i know. Oct 14 22:00:11 it would be unwise to install it Oct 14 22:00:16 so if you "found" it, you either trust the source it came from Oct 14 22:00:18 or you don't Oct 14 22:00:20 dwc: but i found the webos dr for it and im thinking about installing it Oct 14 22:00:26 i trust the source Oct 14 22:00:37 question is do i trust the OS? lol Oct 14 22:00:42 dangit Oct 14 22:00:44 and i also have cm7/moboot Oct 14 22:00:46 I should stop thinking about it. Oct 14 22:00:58 I have so many things in mind I should have said Oct 14 22:01:21 shoulda drank a few cups of coffee beforehand Oct 14 22:01:30 hah. I don't drink coffee Oct 14 22:01:37 okay, where is the mac addy for a TP printed? Oct 14 22:01:39 well it would have made you talkative Oct 14 22:02:17 ka6sox: easy way to find it is to look on your dhcp clients list on your router.. but it should be some where in the settings i would guess? Oct 14 22:02:21 hah. I may have been too talkative. running on little sleep Oct 14 22:02:32 ah Oct 14 22:02:35 i know that feeling Oct 14 22:02:36 ka6sox: should be able to get there from wifi settings or maybe device info Oct 14 22:02:54 sugardave, sure, but when bringing up a TP on a mac address locked router.... Oct 14 22:03:09 you need to have the mac address to *find* the mac address. Oct 14 22:03:12 not on the 3g door Oct 14 22:03:15 nope Oct 14 22:03:25 attach it to freetether first? Oct 14 22:03:27 IMEI, SN, Model Oct 14 22:03:30 I know that'll give you the list Oct 14 22:03:36 * halfhalo glares at everyone with the fake-g TP's Oct 14 22:03:56 ka6sox: no, you should be able to get to it from device info Oct 14 22:04:00 then more info Oct 14 22:04:04 sugardave: he hasn't activated it yet Oct 14 22:04:06 on the hardware tab Oct 14 22:04:09 ohhhhhh Oct 14 22:04:12 nevermind Oct 14 22:04:17 sugardave, sure, *if* you can get BEYOND the initial setup Oct 14 22:04:25 it's probably on the box :D Oct 14 22:04:28 but *during* inital setup....that isn't availa Oct 14 22:04:30 nope Oct 14 22:04:36 nop[e Oct 14 22:04:39 surprised the TP doesn't let you register over 3g Oct 14 22:05:00 SN, PN Oct 14 22:05:23 dwc-, *what* 3G? Oct 14 22:05:34 if it were a 3G one, it would :D Oct 14 22:05:52 oh, I thought they were giving you one of those fancy 3g thingies Oct 14 22:06:25 dwc-: is developer.palm.com trustworthy? ;) Oct 14 22:06:46 VICODANAX: probably not. Oct 14 22:06:52 LOL Oct 14 22:07:29 I know i don't trust them palm people. they be crazy Oct 14 22:07:35 at least not for sales reports. Oct 14 22:07:38 BURNNNN Oct 14 22:08:15 or for release dates... or for what hardware or software is upcoming... Oct 14 22:08:43 dwc-: but webos dr erases everything right? including moboot and cm7 correct? Oct 14 22:09:46 * dwc- shrugs Oct 14 22:09:56 k Oct 14 22:09:58 * dwc- knows nothing of this 3.0.4 webos doctor or what it does Oct 14 22:10:27 mmm.... new 3 series.... Oct 14 22:11:02 dwc-: http://developer.palm.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/private/early_access_3.0.4rc2_667/release_notes_3.0.4rc2.html Oct 14 22:11:08 dwc-: http://developer.palm.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/private/early_access_3.0.4rc2_667/release_notes_3.0.4rc1.html Oct 14 22:11:17 user name: webos_3.0.4 Oct 14 22:11:18 password: M0vingF0rward Oct 14 22:11:25 if you have questions about something that might be in in early access, you should probably be dealing with the proper early access channels, not this channel Oct 14 22:11:32 which channel? Oct 14 22:11:46 ohgoddammit Oct 14 22:11:49 I wouldn't know. I'm not in early access. Oct 14 22:12:06 * Tibfib_ shakes head Oct 14 22:12:23 but I've heard rumors there's a forum for it. Oct 14 22:12:27 k Oct 14 22:12:29 thank you Oct 14 22:13:41 VICODANAX: whatever it is, you probably shouldn't be posting those user names and passwords around. I'm sure there was something you had to agree too that said not to! Oct 14 22:13:52 it's public on google. Oct 14 22:15:30 not for long Oct 14 22:15:46 deleting it? Oct 14 22:16:50 yeah it should be taken down Oct 14 22:16:51 it's fake Oct 14 22:33:35 why is this index.html opening with a window Oct 14 22:41:21 i'm trying to do a nowindow app and it's launching two windows. i can't get the first to open without a window Oct 14 22:57:03 omg i got it and i feel SO dumb Oct 14 22:57:11 wow Oct 14 22:57:42