**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 16 02:59:56 2011
Oct 16 04:07:45 <Tibfib> fxspec06: words are hard. cut him some sack
Oct 16 10:57:39 <EricBlade> Tibfib: i don't imagine you're awake at this hour
Oct 16 12:35:06 <fxspec06> EricBlade: what do you need help with. tibfib is not the only one who can help
Oct 16 13:01:23 <timepants> does anyone have any thoughts on why the Pre3 bing maps app has such terrible framerates?
Oct 16 13:01:29 <timepants> i'm hoping it's not just me
Oct 16 13:01:33 <timepants> but it runs terrible for me
Oct 16 13:06:27 <WinterMute> wtf are they doing using bing?
Oct 16 13:20:20 <fxspec06> bing maps is a huge upgrade from google maps.
Oct 16 13:23:18 <timepants> i don't mind it, i just wish it wasn't so choppy. i also can't seem to rotate the map like is possible on the touchpad
Oct 16 13:30:59 <fxspec06> hm well you couldn't rotate google maps either
Oct 16 13:31:02 <fxspec06> could be a feature
Oct 16 13:34:11 <timepants> thing is, in birds eye view there are completely different angles available and the only way to see them is to rotate. works great on TP
Oct 16 13:34:30 <timepants> so there's a lot of content missing if that feature isn't available
Oct 16 13:36:31 <timepants> suppose it doesn't really matter given the garbage performance anyways, scrolling is like looking at a powerpoint presentation
Oct 16 13:41:02 <fxspec06> are you using wifi or 3g
Oct 16 13:41:31 <timepants> wifi and faux-gee
Oct 16 13:41:52 <timepants> (tried both)
Oct 16 13:42:27 <timepants> it loads the maps/imagery fast but zooming lags and panning is torture
Oct 16 13:46:11 <fxspec06> yeah it is pretty slow. =|
Oct 16 15:21:22 <Tibfib> EricBlade: I'm up now...
Oct 16 15:47:25 <Tibfib> yay. virtual carousel with nomnomnom is a go
Oct 16 16:37:32 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: what does this get you?
Oct 16 17:00:08 <leiru> hey
Oct 16 17:00:27 <leiru> tomorrow first day of new job.
Oct 16 17:00:34 <leiru> as "JS Ninja"
Oct 16 17:01:02 <leiru> i wonder if i should bring a katana...
Oct 16 17:03:06 <ka6sox> leiru, not if you are in california..they outlawed it.
Oct 16 17:04:39 <leiru> anyway i am excited and a little nervous.
Oct 16 17:05:09 <leiru> have to wake up at 8 am! wtf!
Oct 16 17:05:46 <leiru> last job was starting at 11.30am. so i could sleep till 10
Oct 16 17:06:12 <leiru> 8 am is a really nasty time, esp. in the winter.
Oct 16 17:08:51 <Hendikins> 8AM? I'd take that. Beats the 3:22AM I have today and 1:11AM I had yesterday.
Oct 16 17:10:04 <leiru> lol. i was going to bed before around 1-4AM
Oct 16 17:10:43 <leiru> :(
Oct 16 17:12:35 <Hendikins> My ideal sleep time is 0400 - 1200. This roster is killing me.
Oct 16 17:13:39 <leiru> Hendikins: mine too
Oct 16 17:14:22 <leiru> i am a night-person.
Oct 16 17:14:47 <leiru> even as young child i could not sleep in the evening
Oct 16 17:15:17 <Hendikins> Early to rise and early to bed makes a man healthy, wealthy and dead.
Oct 16 17:16:50 <leiru> later in school, when i was 15-16 i went to bed at 0400, then went to school at 0800 and after school i ate lunch and slept till 1800
Oct 16 17:17:49 <leiru> oh, it started 0745. so i went earlier.
Oct 16 17:22:08 <leiru> maybe i should start working this way.
Oct 16 17:34:08 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: better performance
Oct 16 17:34:14 <Tibfib> less buggy
Oct 16 17:34:24 <leiru> i even ironed my levis.
Oct 16 17:34:37 <leiru> big day for me :)
Oct 16 17:38:55 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: +1
Oct 16 17:42:26 <Tibfib> might upload a beta tonight
Oct 16 17:42:31 <Tibfib_> bbl
Oct 16 17:59:14 <PuffTheMagic> how does one figure out the device type in mojo
Oct 16 17:59:28 <PuffTheMagic> i cant remember how to do that, been doing too much enyo
Oct 16 18:02:50 <leiru> var device = Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.modelNameAscii;
Oct 16 18:03:17 <leiru> for "veer", "pre" ...
Oct 16 18:04:24 <leiru> PuffTheMagic
Oct 16 18:04:46 <PuffTheMagic> just found it too, thanks
Oct 16 20:00:04 * SimpsonTP finaly has a touchpad !
Oct 16 20:01:30 <mxms> how much did you pay for it?
Oct 16 20:02:13 <SimpsonTP> 250,- euro inc shipping + tax for a 32g
Oct 16 20:02:22 <mxms> ah :)
Oct 16 20:04:35 <SimpsonTP> Just playing around with it now, got some great app ideas for my field already
Oct 16 20:04:51 <summatusmentis> what's your field?
Oct 16 20:04:58 <SimpsonTP> Fire Department
Oct 16 20:05:09 <summatusmentis> oh
Oct 16 20:05:34 <SimpsonTP> and semanticweb/linkeddata
Oct 16 20:07:20 <SimpsonTP> is there a official way to use my veer as inter access device while on the road ?
Oct 16 20:09:26 <mxms> i wouldn't, it's tooo small!
Oct 16 20:12:45 <SimpsonTP> huh ?
Oct 16 20:14:54 <SimpsonWebOS> tada, preware installed ;-)
Oct 16 20:19:10 <SimpsonTP> should touch to share work with the veer as well ?
Oct 16 20:19:47 <summatusmentis> not yet
Oct 16 20:19:59 <summatusmentis> in theory yes, but it's not enable in the current veer firmware
Oct 16 20:20:14 <SimpsonTP> ah so that will probably never happen :)
Oct 16 20:20:22 <summatusmentis> well, we'll see
Oct 16 20:20:26 <summatusmentis> rumored to be coming soon
Oct 16 20:20:40 <SimpsonTP> so I would need to use freetether to get my touchpad on the net with my veer ?
Oct 16 20:21:58 <SimpsonTP> or is that a off limit discussion here ?
Oct 16 20:22:33 <summatusmentis> I don't think T2S would do that for you anyway
Oct 16 20:22:55 <SimpsonTP> that I know
Oct 16 20:24:23 <PuffTheMagic> SimpsonTP, you can talk about that here
Oct 16 20:24:35 * PuffTheMagic is actually working on FT right now
Oct 16 20:25:12 <SimpsonTP> okay, would ft be the thing I need ?
Oct 16 20:27:47 <PuffTheMagic> if you have internet on your veer
Oct 16 20:27:53 <PuffTheMagic> and you want to share it with the TP via wifi
Oct 16 20:27:55 <PuffTheMagic> then yes
Oct 16 20:28:25 <SimpsonTP> that would be the only option ?
Oct 16 20:29:30 <SimpsonTP> or would there also be a 'official' way /
Oct 16 20:32:48 <PuffTheMagic> well you prob have att mobile hotspot to use
Oct 16 20:35:05 <SimpsonTP> i'm in europe ;)
Oct 16 20:35:36 <SimpsonTP> but between the lines I see your answer, to use celluar, I need freetether
Oct 16 20:45:57 <leiru> SimpsonTP: oh, where are you?
Oct 16 20:46:22 <SimpsonTP> .nl ( netherlands )
Oct 16 20:46:39 <leiru> .de
Oct 16 20:46:54 <leiru> we are neighbours :)
Oct 16 20:47:55 <SimpsonTP> sort of ;)
Oct 16 20:48:01 <SimpsonTP> where are you located ?
Oct 16 20:48:12 <leiru> hamburg
Oct 16 20:48:21 <leiru> and you?
Oct 16 20:49:46 <SimpsonTP> almere ( close to amsterdam (
Oct 16 20:49:57 <SimpsonTP> hamburg is cool, I love 'speicherstadt'
Oct 16 20:56:52 <leiru> living in a small town vs living in hamburg has both pro's and con's. :/
Oct 16 20:57:34 <SimpsonTP> almere is not that small ;) almost 200k people
Oct 16 21:05:04 <SimpsonTP> okay night
Oct 17 00:07:13 <VaMpIrO> can someone help me with palm pixi plus.. please (:
Oct 17 00:09:08 <dwc-> with what
Oct 17 00:10:52 <VaMpIrO> i just downloaded a game ipk ''need for speed'' and i instal it with webos quick install, i got the icon of the game but when i tab it it won't start ??
Oct 17 00:11:11 <VaMpIrO> and i have webos 1.4.5 !
Oct 17 00:11:40 <dwc-> ... and this sounds like warez
Oct 17 00:12:17 <VaMpIrO> oups yup :p
Oct 17 00:13:33 <VaMpIrO> i cant find the game on app catalog .. so it means i cant buy it
Oct 17 00:15:28 <VaMpIrO> ..?
Oct 17 00:18:50 <dkirker> That means you should not be talking about it in here.
Oct 17 00:18:55 <VICODANAX> lol
Oct 17 00:19:00 <VICODANAX> vampiro
Oct 17 00:19:02 <VICODANAX> uninstall it
Oct 17 00:19:03 <VICODANAX> reboot
Oct 17 00:19:08 <VICODANAX> you should see it in app catalog for purchase
Oct 17 00:19:22 <VaMpIrO> lol, alright
Oct 17 00:19:34 <dwc-> hmm... he might be the only webos user in morocco
Oct 17 00:19:35 <dkirker> VaMpIrO: If it is not in the app catalog for your device, chances are there is a reason.
Oct 17 00:19:37 <VaMpIrO> i'll vicodamnax thank u :)
Oct 17 00:19:41 <VICODANAX> lol
Oct 17 00:19:48 <VICODANAX> np
Oct 17 00:19:55 <VaMpIrO> Lol, ip :p
Oct 17 00:20:24 <VaMpIrO> no i'm french livin in morocco :)
Oct 17 00:22:37 <dkirker> Well, for what it is worth, talking about illegal activities (installing warez, for instance), is prohibited in this channel.
Oct 17 00:22:54 <dkirker> Just a fair warning.
Oct 17 00:23:21 <VaMpIrO> oh ok sorry, my bad
Oct 17 00:23:24 <VICODANAX> inst installing android on a touchpad illegal? :P
Oct 17 00:23:39 <VaMpIrO> lol
Oct 17 00:23:47 <dkirker> VICODANAX: Don't think so. But that would be off topic for this channel anyway...
Oct 17 00:24:17 <VICODANAX> what is on topic?
Oct 17 00:24:19 <VICODANAX> just wondering
Oct 17 00:24:29 <VaMpIrO> is it there an upgrade for palm pixi plus to webos 2 ??
Oct 17 00:24:30 <VICODANAX> because webos is phones and touchpad
Oct 17 00:24:40 <dkirker> webOS Development
Oct 17 00:24:40 <dkirker> "Unofficial webOS dev discussion"
Oct 17 00:24:56 <dkirker> from the title
Oct 17 00:24:57 <VICODANAX> ah ok
Oct 17 00:25:01 <dkirker> s/title/topic/
Oct 17 00:25:01 <VICODANAX> i see
Oct 17 00:25:04 <VICODANAX> thanks
Oct 17 00:25:06 <dkirker> yup
Oct 17 00:26:02 <VaMpIrO> ?
Oct 17 00:26:50 <VICODANAX> he was talking to me
Oct 17 00:27:55 <VaMpIrO> VICODANAX lol i mean i'm still waitin for my question
Oct 17 00:28:17 <VICODANAX> google it
Oct 17 00:28:23 <VICODANAX> and check precentral.net
Oct 17 00:29:07 <VaMpIrO> ok, merci :D
Oct 17 00:29:30 <VICODANAX> np
Oct 17 00:41:25 <dawm> cheese machine..cheese machine.. cheese machine.. cheese machine..
Oct 17 00:43:08 <dwc-> does it run webos?
Oct 17 00:49:31 <fxspec06> my cheese runs webos
Oct 17 01:49:24 <dawm> cheese machine..cheese machine.. cheese machine.. cheese machine..
Oct 17 01:49:34 <VICODANAX> i like cheese
Oct 17 01:50:15 <wrea> who doesnt?
Oct 17 01:50:30 <VICODANAX> people with bad taste
Oct 17 01:51:03 <wrea> my gf made mozarella stocks today
Oct 17 01:51:13 <VICODANAX> yum
Oct 17 01:51:21 <VICODANAX> i wish my gf did that
Oct 17 01:51:37 <wrea> hell yeah. my gf likes to cook, guess im lucky
Oct 17 01:52:00 <VICODANAX> mine can cook too when she's not being a bitch
Oct 17 01:52:13 <wrea> lol
Oct 17 01:52:17 <VICODANAX> i dunno bout mozarella stocks
Oct 17 01:52:37 <VICODANAX> she's not the brightest bulb in the box
Oct 17 01:52:56 <wrea> rofl
Oct 17 01:52:58 <seretogis> eighthree and I made turkey burgers w/ gruyere cheese and pineapple today for dinner, and cornmeal breaded mozzarella sticks
Oct 17 01:53:01 <seretogis> so delicious :D
Oct 17 01:53:18 <wrea> panko breaded ones here
Oct 17 01:53:31 <seretogis> yeah I think panko would have worked out better
Oct 17 01:53:44 <wrea> i'd like that dinner, except i dont like pineapple
Oct 17 01:54:18 <VICODANAX> nice
Oct 17 01:54:36 <wrea> i'm wondering what i did to widk to start giving me this error
Oct 17 01:55:05 <VICODANAX> i made really awesome steaks marinated in balsamic garlic olive oil, rosemary, onion powder, ground pepper, and sea salt
Oct 17 01:55:21 <seretogis> I'm not a big steak fan but that sounds like a delicious marinade
Oct 17 01:56:09 <wrea> damn it, i want steak
Oct 17 01:58:06 <VICODANAX> it is
Oct 17 01:58:09 <VICODANAX> i got it from a friend
Oct 17 01:58:21 <VICODANAX> cooked it 3 days in a row
Oct 17 01:58:30 <VICODANAX> got it really perfect the 3rd day
Oct 17 01:58:35 <VICODANAX> especially after cleaning the grill
Oct 17 01:58:53 <VICODANAX> my gf's mom gave me some balsamic garlic olive oil
Oct 17 01:59:02 <seretogis> you.. you.. ATE YOUR FRIEND?!
Oct 17 01:59:13 <VICODANAX> yup
Oct 17 01:59:39 <seretogis> tasted liek pork?
Oct 17 01:59:46 <VICODANAX> tasted like steak!
Oct 17 02:15:25 <wrea> anyone know why I could be getting "/bin/sh: -r: command not found"?
Oct 17 02:15:40 <VICODANAX> trying to run command "-r:"
Oct 17 02:15:44 <VICODANAX> minus the :
Oct 17 02:17:49 <EricBlade> Tibfib_: sounds like we keep missing each other.
Oct 17 02:17:58 <wrea> Well, I hadnt had this problem until recently
Oct 17 02:18:17 <rwatkins> So how do you open a new card from a no-window app .. without enyo or mojo?
Oct 17 02:18:48 <Tibfib_> EricBlade: I'm here now
Oct 17 02:19:03 <rwatkins> code seems to indicate its "window.open(fullurl/to/card.html, name, "window=card")" but thats not working.
Oct 17 02:19:09 <Tibfib_> rwatkins: good question.
Oct 17 02:19:50 <Tibfib_> yeah, I'd check out the enyo code
Oct 17 02:21:33 <EricBlade> rwatkins: it's calling getRootWindow().open(url, name, windowinfo + attributes) ..
Oct 17 02:21:35 <Tibfib_> w = this.agent.open(root, inUrl, inName || "", attributes, inWindowInfo);
Oct 17 02:21:38 <rwatkins> ya, diging in there now but missing something
Oct 17 02:21:48 <Tibfib_> dunno what this.agent is
Oct 17 02:21:57 <rwatkins> thats agent.js in the same dir
Oct 17 02:22:07 <EricBlade> so, getRootWindow returns this.manager.getRootWindow
Oct 17 02:22:09 <rwatkins> ah maybe the window params are different
Oct 17 02:22:15 <rwatkins> 'attributes={"window": "card"}'
Oct 17 02:23:09 <EricBlade> so .. it's .. (window.opener || window.rootWindow || window.top || window).open(url, name, windowinfo + attributes)
Oct 17 02:23:48 <dwc-> wrea: what are you doing when you're getting that error
Oct 17 02:24:09 <rwatkins> I think its just getting the handle to the current window, but in the no-window case here there is only one.
Oct 17 02:24:17 <rwatkins> the current 'window' for the index.html
Oct 17 02:24:52 <wrea> dwc-, compiling a driver from compat-wireless. When I was running into problems last week I didnt get the error and when I tried again a few days ago I started to get the error
Oct 17 02:25:35 <EricBlade> Tibfib_: regarding your suggestions for getting correct info for clicks on nested VirtualRepeaters .. having some significant difficulty in making any headway on that topic
Oct 17 02:26:49 <rwatkins> woo baby, got it.
Oct 17 02:27:09 <Tibfib_> EricBlade: ah, paste your entire kind
Oct 17 02:27:10 <rwatkins> so you need to call stageReady .. in the card you open for some reason.  not in the hidden window.
Oct 17 02:27:12 <Tibfib_> private, pm if you like
Oct 17 02:27:17 <dwc-> did you update compat-wireless in the meantime/
Oct 17 02:27:56 <rwatkins> next Beta will be for "all webos devices" and tell you to go download the new Maps app if your lacking Enyo.  :)
Oct 17 02:29:18 <wrea> dwc-, I've tried new versions since, but any version seems to be giving the error
Oct 17 02:29:41 <dwc-> I was thinking more of going backwards to where you were before when you didn't have the error
Oct 17 02:31:30 <wrea> Cant think of any changes that occured
Oct 17 02:35:53 <Tibfib_> hmmm, spotify's renaming crap is making me angry
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