**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 18 02:59:57 2011
Oct 18 03:02:14 <torchie> WP7 ain't viable enough fast enough but at least it has sonic 4
Oct 18 03:02:55 <torchie> and 60fps everywhere mmmmmmmm
Oct 18 03:03:13 <torchie> it's like it's such a hard request if you get anything that isn't an iphone
Oct 18 03:03:36 <Shadyman> lol android
Oct 18 03:04:57 <vividboarder> WP7 isnt' viable for what?
Oct 18 03:05:57 <torchie> being the "and"
Oct 18 03:06:13 <seretogis> I immensely dislike that WP7's toaster notifications disappear into the abyss
Oct 18 03:06:19 <seretogis> and that they aren't webOS's notifications ;p
Oct 18 03:06:25 <seretogis> and that their multitasking "cards" aren't webOS's
Oct 18 03:07:00 <vividboarder> WebOS cards and that swipe up gesture... too good.
Oct 18 03:07:19 <torchie> it's always now available for ps2 AND xbox!
Oct 18 03:07:22 <torchie> pepsi AND coke!
Oct 18 03:07:25 <torchie> mac AND pc!
Oct 18 03:07:31 <torchie> iphone AND android!
Oct 18 03:07:33 <vividboarder> I've used a lot of platforms, and that's by far my favorite. :)
Oct 18 03:07:42 <torchie> it gets annoying to not hav a platform that's in the "and"
Oct 18 03:08:08 <vividboarder> But you do!
Oct 18 03:08:23 <vividboarder> Mobile OS like iPhone AND Android!
Oct 18 03:08:29 <rwatkins> pre3 could really use a exhibition mode that ran in landscape
Oct 18 03:08:33 <vividboarder> Less popular ones like WebOS AND WP7!
Oct 18 03:08:34 <vividboarder> ;)
Oct 18 03:08:37 <torchie> lol
Oct 18 03:08:43 <torchie> gamecube days was hard
Oct 18 03:09:03 <torchie> this app is written in ruby AND scala!
Oct 18 03:09:12 <torchie> it's available for meego AND openmoko!
Oct 18 03:12:02 <PatrickC> rwatkins: I'll help make the patch if you find how to edit luna ;)
Oct 18 03:12:30 <PatrickC> torchie: gamecube ROCKS! :P
Oct 18 03:12:43 <torchie> there was at least smash bros
Oct 18 03:12:46 <torchie> and windwaker
Oct 18 03:12:54 <PatrickC> mario kart
Oct 18 03:13:14 <torchie> tales of symphonia in the US before namco took one of the few gamecube RPGs and ported it to ps2 anyway
Oct 18 03:13:33 <PatrickC> namco.. my dad works there :D
Oct 18 03:13:42 <torchie> but only in japan so it still felt almost like an exclusive
Oct 18 03:13:51 <rwatkins> PatrickC: I honestly dont know what the issue is.  I assume you could do it manually - css transform 90 degrees in the app if you knew it was in landscape.
Oct 18 03:14:10 <PatrickC> rwatkins: you could do that.. maybe
Oct 18 03:14:26 <rwatkins> that'd fix the app, but not  the toolbar/notifications, but still
Oct 18 03:14:29 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD would know. he knows everything
Oct 18 03:14:31 <PatrickC> yeah
Oct 18 03:14:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what
Oct 18 03:14:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I know nothing
Oct 18 03:14:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Oct 18 03:15:06 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 18 03:15:17 <PatrickC> making apps landscape in exhibition
Oct 18 03:15:21 <PatrickC> <rwatkins> PatrickC: I honestly dont know what the issue is. &nbsp;I assume you could do it manually - css transform 90 degrees in the app if you knew it was in landscape.
Oct 18 03:17:18 <rwatkins> pre3 exhibition - no landscape support
Oct 18 03:17:37 <rwatkins> flip clock for example woudl look great in exhibition on a pre3
Oct 18 03:17:45 <PatrickC> yeah
Oct 18 03:23:38 <seretogis> my pre3 barely stays on my touchstone in portrait :/
Oct 18 03:23:53 <rwatkins> stays better in landscape
Oct 18 03:24:06 <seretogis> oooh
Oct 18 03:24:10 <seretogis> it's true
Oct 18 03:25:56 * rwatkins is manually installing enyo on like a bazillion emulator images for testing.
Oct 18 03:26:24 <rwatkins> pre, pixi, veer, pre3, os 1.4, os 2.1 .. ugh.
Oct 18 03:29:17 <seretogis> I'm still upset that "tick" doesn't work in enyo.Animator :/
Oct 18 03:29:19 <seretogis> wtf
Oct 18 03:30:27 <rwatkins> window.setInterval -- unless of course you want it to run when you app has been backgrounded.
Oct 18 03:32:28 <seretogis> hmm no that should work
Oct 18 03:32:29 <seretogis> thanks sir!
Oct 18 03:33:18 <rwatkins> often more than one way to skin a cat.  enyo is all JS so there is usually some old alternate method from other web dev techniques.
Oct 18 03:34:46 <rwatkins> Enyo rox.
Oct 18 03:35:33 <rwatkins> I am still just floored that I wrote my app for the TouchPad, made some minor adjustments for the Pre3 and now it pretty much runs well without modifications on all the old devices too
Oct 18 05:26:38 <Shadyman> Hmmm. DOSBOX on Touchpad? Don't mind if I do!
Oct 18 05:26:47 <wrea> lol
Oct 18 05:27:59 <PatrickC> Shadyman: where? preware?
Oct 18 05:29:26 <halfhalo> hmmmm
Oct 18 05:29:29 <halfhalo> rain....
Oct 18 05:29:33 <halfhalo> i dun like it
Oct 18 05:30:14 * PatrickC never realized how amazing webOS was till he used Android for a few days
Oct 18 05:32:50 <Shadyman> heh
Oct 18 05:34:37 <Shadyman> I think DOSBOX is on preware
Oct 18 05:37:15 <PatrickC> it really made me appreciate webOS. and wonder.... WHY HP????? WHY????
Oct 18 05:38:18 <dwc-> hey, don't forget to blame palm too, they screwed it up first :P
Oct 18 05:38:30 <PatrickC> no. palm is amazing. HP stinks
Oct 18 05:38:39 <dwc-> uh-huh.
Oct 18 05:38:47 <PatrickC> palm had no control of what HP did after they got bought out :)
Oct 18 05:39:00 * PatrickC wishes they never got bought out
Oct 18 05:39:01 <dwc-> palm had plenty of control of what happened before they had to go find themselves a buyer
Oct 18 05:39:26 <PatrickC> yeah.. but ultimately HP killed it. not Palm
Oct 18 05:39:45 <PatrickC> so in my eyes, the Palm logo will be returning to my Pre3 and TouchPad soon :)
Oct 18 05:39:48 * halfhalo is mum
Oct 18 05:40:39 * halfhalo was paid by palm, not hp tho....
Oct 18 05:43:14 * PatrickC feels special. Kerris RT'd my tweet about me thinking John Kneeland should have been CEO 
Oct 18 05:43:18 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 18 05:44:14 <PatrickC> *and* kerris follows me lol
Oct 18 05:44:28 <halfhalo> that will end well
Oct 18 05:45:41 <wrea> PatrickC, dont worry, you're not actually special
Oct 18 05:45:51 <PatrickC> aww man..
Oct 18 05:46:04 <Shadyman> lol
Oct 18 05:47:30 <RagingMind> I'm looking at getting a second job, and it's in part because I want to save up for a pre3.
Oct 18 05:47:45 <PatrickC> its amazing. totally worth it
Oct 18 05:47:56 <halfhalo> bah, jobs
Oct 18 05:48:02 <Shadyman> Bah jobs
Oct 18 05:48:09 <PatrickC> bah halfhalo
Oct 18 05:48:18 <Shadyman> bah Halo 3
Oct 18 05:48:20 <seretogis> RagingMind you should have bought mine for $200 :P
Oct 18 05:48:29 <Shadyman> ^
Oct 18 05:48:31 <RagingMind> HP, unless you pull another magic trick to reverse your last super disappointing one, I'm gonna hate you for a LONG time
Oct 18 05:48:37 <PatrickC> haha.. auto correct corrected 'halfhalo' to 'hairball'
Oct 18 05:48:39 <PatrickC> :P
Oct 18 05:48:44 <Shadyman> I got my Pre 2 and touchstone for $150
Oct 18 05:48:45 * Shadyman shrugs
Oct 18 05:48:56 <RagingMind> I was looking at pre3's on ebay, all seemed about 200ish
Oct 18 05:48:58 <Shadyman> Unfortunately, no tap-to-share, etc though
Oct 18 05:49:03 <Shadyman> RagingMind: They've gone down, then
Oct 18 05:49:13 <RagingMind> I can't afford that yet... I need to save up for that
Oct 18 05:50:43 <crazy8> why would anyone want a pre, is my guess
Oct 18 05:51:12 <wrea> I love that all the veer usb cables on amazon are actually micro usb
Oct 18 05:51:27 <PatrickC> really? how does that work? lol
Oct 18 05:51:52 <PatrickC> crazy8: I still use an original pre- on sprint
Oct 18 05:53:20 <PatrickC> I can get an iPhone4s if I want. but I chose to stay with my pre-
Oct 18 05:54:43 <PuffTheMagic> LOL -> https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150329921291918
Oct 18 05:55:06 <crazy8> i dunno, but physical keys are sooo 2005
Oct 18 05:55:16 <crazy8> but if you like your phone then its all good
Oct 18 05:56:04 * dwc- grumbles
Oct 18 05:56:23 * dwc- needs to remember to not use the touchscreen keys when sending voicemails
Oct 18 05:56:58 * dwc- also wishes the screen would stay on so that some button presses aren't to turn the stupid screen back on... *should remember to use spacebar for that*
Oct 18 05:57:10 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: hahahaha
Oct 18 05:57:12 <hucksy> crazy8: if you type much, you *need* physical keys even in 2011 ;)
Oct 18 05:57:35 <PatrickC> ^^
Oct 18 05:57:36 <dwc-> wrea: hmm, should I have asked if you wanted an extra charge cable or headset adapter?
Oct 18 05:58:10 <PatrickC> I love how my local sprint still carries the *pixi-*!
Oct 18 05:58:23 <wrea> no worries
Oct 18 05:58:23 <dwc-> gotta get rid of them somehow :p
Oct 18 05:58:33 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 18 05:58:44 <PatrickC> they have been carrying them ever since launch
Oct 18 05:58:56 <PatrickC> they should have run out by now lol. they say they still sell halfway-decent
Oct 18 05:59:12 <wrea> dwc-, lol
Oct 18 05:59:29 * PatrickC is off to bed
Oct 18 05:59:32 <PatrickC> night all
Oct 18 05:59:40 <dwc-> halfway decent... overall? or halfway decent... for a 2 year old phone on a dead os
Oct 18 05:59:45 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, i need to get my pixi exchanged
Oct 18 05:59:50 <PuffTheMagic> headphone jack issue
Oct 18 05:59:57 <dwc-> sorry, 2.5 year old phone
Oct 18 05:59:58 <PuffTheMagic> glad they still have them :D
Oct 18 06:00:04 <PatrickC> dwc-: overall
Oct 18 06:00:08 <dwc-> dude, puff
Oct 18 06:00:14 <dwc-> the palm store had them
Oct 18 06:00:15 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: mine does. not sure if yours will haha
Oct 18 06:00:22 <dwc-> if you buy 4+, only $15/ea
Oct 18 06:00:23 <PatrickC> but.. I'll be working at sprint soon enough :)
Oct 18 06:00:27 <wrea> I got my new debit card today
Oct 18 06:00:29 <halfhalo> heh.... pixi
Oct 18 06:00:34 <PatrickC> dwc-: *had* them
Oct 18 06:00:38 <dwc-> they might even have been pixi+ ;)
Oct 18 06:00:47 <dwc-> (didn't care enough to ask)
Oct 18 06:00:48 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, where on earth are there palm stores besides cali?
Oct 18 06:00:55 <dwc-> there are none, now
Oct 18 06:00:57 <wrea> just that one :P
Oct 18 06:00:59 <PuffTheMagic> im not gonna spend 700 on a plane ticket for a 5 dollar phone
Oct 18 06:01:08 <dwc-> the cali one closed friday, the others in 2008 or so?
Oct 18 06:01:13 <dwc-> usps!
Oct 18 06:01:32 <PuffTheMagic> so there really was no such thing as a "palm store"
Oct 18 06:01:36 <PuffTheMagic> for 99.9% of the world
Oct 18 06:01:59 <Shadyman> I need a shirt that says "You can't scare me, I work in Retail"
Oct 18 06:02:09 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 18 06:02:27 <dwc-> yep. that's why all the palm store firesale stuff on ebay was listing from this area
Oct 18 06:02:30 <PuffTheMagic> i wonder how long we are gonna sit in this room and pretend webos will ever be on a new phone
Oct 18 06:02:43 <halfhalo> ever and ever and ever
Oct 18 06:02:43 <wrea> I'll probably pick up an extra cable and headphone adapter next time i order from hp
Oct 18 06:02:44 <PatrickC> until it happens!
Oct 18 06:02:44 <Shadyman> Quite a while yet, I'd imagine.
Oct 18 06:03:02 <wrea> My gf works in retail, i feel bad for her
Oct 18 06:03:04 <wrea> lol
Oct 18 06:03:04 <dwc-> wrea: yea... but those I bet will be more than $2.50/ea
Oct 18 06:03:07 * PatrickC waits for something to be finished that he knows will bring him joy on webOS
Oct 18 06:03:11 <PatrickC> can't say though :)
Oct 18 06:03:18 <wrea> yup
Oct 18 06:03:35 <dwc-> and they would have fit in the package's size/weight limit
Oct 18 06:03:44 <PatrickC> and it'll bring a lot of other people joy. mainly because I didn't touch it :P
Oct 18 06:04:08 <PatrickC> but it is amazing
Oct 18 06:04:09 <seretogis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
Oct 18 06:04:11 <seretogis> O_O
Oct 18 06:04:22 <PatrickC> now. before I spill evrything.. night all lol
Oct 18 06:04:25 <PatrickC> everything*
Oct 18 06:04:47 <dwc-> you don't know everything!
Oct 18 06:05:12 <wrea> well, if everything = nothing, then yes, yes he does
Oct 18 06:05:26 <klausa> There will be 'Find free blowjob' app for webOS?
Oct 18 06:06:00 <dwc-> doesn't everyone know that's your place? *ducks*
Oct 18 06:06:14 <seretogis> klausa: www.craigslist.org
Oct 18 06:07:19 <wrea> Looks like I get my veer on thursday
Oct 18 06:07:31 <klausa> seretogis: I seriously doubt there are any girls living in this city that know about craiglist.
Oct 18 06:07:42 <seretogis> klausa: oh. girls?
Oct 18 06:07:51 <seretogis> klausa: you just said free blowjobs
Oct 18 06:07:53 <klausa> On the other hand, I said blowjobs, didn't mention anything about girls.
Oct 18 06:07:58 <seretogis> ;D
Oct 18 06:08:37 <klausa> Yeah, that might make things slightly more complicated.
Oct 18 06:09:18 <klausa> Or maybe I'll just go to some high-school party instead, basically the same thing anyway.
Oct 18 06:09:37 <klausa> But more alcohol.
Oct 18 06:09:41 <Shadyman> heh. heh. awwright
Oct 18 06:10:05 <seretogis> giggity
Oct 18 06:10:45 <dwc-> darn, too old for me to go and it not to be creepy
Oct 18 06:11:59 <dwc-> so how do you know you get your veer on thu? have a tracking number already?
Oct 18 06:12:18 <wrea> Yeah.
Oct 18 06:12:31 <klausa> I was going to say that if you go to party where most people are under legal driking age limit and you could buy alcohol for them it might go just okay, but you guys have that ridiculously high age of consent.
Oct 18 06:12:31 <dwc-> so where's it shipping from? any of the places you sent it to?
Oct 18 06:13:07 <seretogis> seems like someone here needs a cold shower ~
Oct 18 06:13:10 <wrea> Seems like their ticket system updates the statuts at around 5:30 pst
Oct 18 06:13:12 <klausa> But, well, yeah, enough about blowjobs :)
Oct 18 06:13:14 <dwc-> I said creepy... not... illegal...
Oct 18 06:13:43 <dwc-> divide by 2, add 7, rejected!
Oct 18 06:13:48 <wrea> dwc-, need it to update, but there are only two places it'd be coming from
Oct 18 06:14:16 <dwc-> oh, if you have the tracking #, you should be able to check with the carrier, right?
Oct 18 06:14:20 <wrea> It'll ship tomorrow it seems like, so I'll know then when the status updates
Oct 18 06:14:42 <seretogis> a/s/l?
Oct 18 06:16:09 * dwc- wonders who you're asking
Oct 18 06:36:18 <dwc-> hmm, skype support ticket gets me a "we appreciate your feedback" form letter
Oct 18 06:38:30 <wrea> awesome
Oct 18 06:38:41 <dwc-> wonder how I get to someone who can ask the person in charge of skype for webos to just resubmit the damn app
Oct 18 06:40:43 <wrea> yeah
Oct 18 06:42:02 <panel> hello
Oct 18 06:44:06 <wrea> hi
Oct 18 13:05:26 <gDD> is HP Veer completely open source?
Oct 18 13:05:44 <gDD> like GSM module, WCDMA, WIFI modules
Oct 18 13:06:14 <gDD> and complete Linux Kernel Source
Oct 18 13:06:55 <gDD> i am gonna purchase an HP Veer, but i don't know if it is really open source
Oct 18 13:35:26 <Chriffer> Anyone happen to know of a way to activate wifi from the commandline on a pixi?
Oct 18 13:35:49 <gDD> ...no body have a clear answer?
Oct 18 13:35:58 <Khaytsus> gDD: Most likely nonse of those things are open source, I KNOW GSM, WCMDA won't be, the wifi stuff might not even be.
Oct 18 13:38:21 <gDD> Khaytsus: thanks for the tip, and now i remember'ed that Linux modules may not be GPL, it's sad
Oct 18 13:39:45 <Khaytsus> Has nothing to do with Linux, it's that GSM, WCDMA, etc, all of that could be proprietary code.
Oct 18 13:40:36 <summatusmentis> gDD: there are significant parts of webOS that aren't open source
Oct 18 13:40:50 <summatusmentis> all of the modem stuff isn't, as well as some of the GUI layer
Oct 18 13:41:22 <summatusmentis> well, let me rephrase, technically all of the GUI layer isn't open source (in that you can't take it and redistribute)
Oct 18 13:41:38 <summatusmentis> there are portions of the GUI layer that are binary, so you can't even view the source
Oct 18 13:42:03 <gDD> summatusmentis: how about the Linux kernel layer
Oct 18 13:42:15 <summatusmentis> most of the terminal tools are open source
Oct 18 13:42:21 <summatusmentis> you can get the source for the kernel
Oct 18 13:42:29 <summatusmentis> but the drivers for the modem are not, I believe
Oct 18 13:42:51 <summatusmentis> if you're looking for an open source phone, this is not it
Oct 18 13:43:19 <gDD> summatusmentis: that's the point, still many drivers are not open source
Oct 18 13:43:47 <summatusmentis> right
Oct 18 13:43:52 <summatusmentis> nor is the GUI at all
Oct 18 13:44:25 <gDD> Veer is the a decent one, no one better i know
Oct 18 13:44:44 <gDD> the a -> a
Oct 18 13:44:44 <Khaytsus> bit of a dead end phone, but yeah, it sounds nice..  although it's pretty darn small
Oct 18 13:45:49 <gDD> and cannot replace battery.
Oct 18 13:46:47 <summatusmentis> oh neat, webOS 3.0.4
Oct 18 13:46:54 <summatusmentis> has a new camera app
Oct 18 13:47:54 <Khaytsus> There's an update?
Oct 18 13:48:07 <summatusmentis> yeah
Oct 18 13:48:16 <Khaytsus> Released or upcoming?
Oct 18 13:48:22 <summatusmentis> released this morning, according to twitter
Oct 18 13:48:25 <summatusmentis> I'm downloading it now
Oct 18 13:48:26 <Khaytsus> cool
Oct 18 13:48:57 <Khaytsus> http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/3-0-4-change-log.1108/  <-  just a google hit, who knows if it's right or not
Oct 18 13:49:24 <summatusmentis> although it's slow going
Oct 18 13:49:34 <Khaytsus> * Google Location Services now work for locations in the Southern Hemisphere.
Oct 18 13:49:35 <Khaytsus> wtf heh
Oct 18 13:51:32 <EricBlade> YAY 3.0.4
Oct 18 13:52:17 <summatusmentis> HEY, BACK OFF, I'M DOWNLOADING IT NOW. WAIT YOUR TURN
Oct 18 13:53:36 <summatusmentis> except... http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/10/rumor-hp-to-layoff-webos-engineers-by-months-end-exclusive/
Oct 18 13:53:39 <summatusmentis> :(
Oct 18 13:55:23 <Khaytsus> summatusmentis: Surprise!
Oct 18 13:58:25 <summatusmentis> Khaytsus: I mean, I know... but it makes me sad
Oct 18 13:58:29 <summatusmentis> also, just a rumor at this point
Oct 18 13:58:42 <Khaytsus> I know
Oct 18 14:02:40 <Chriffer> Is it possible to activate wifi from the command line of a pixi?  I don't see any obvious device with ifconfig
Oct 18 14:04:03 <summatusmentis> Chriffer: not that I'm aware of, but I don't really know
Oct 18 14:04:04 <summatusmentis> why?
Oct 18 14:04:25 <Chriffer> My pixi has no touchscreen anymore, it is making it a pain to get data off of it
Oct 18 14:04:38 <Chriffer> with wifi I could sftp, without that is more annoying
Oct 18 14:05:14 <HattCzech_work> usb sftp?
Oct 18 14:06:08 <Chriffer> Is that the novaproxy stuff I saw mentioned to do that?
Oct 18 14:06:29 <PatrickC> 3.0.4 Is out
Oct 18 14:06:30 <HattCzech_work> that's one way to do it
Oct 18 14:06:31 <PatrickC> start downloading
Oct 18 14:06:38 <HattCzech_work> thanks PatrickC
Oct 18 14:06:52 <HattCzech_work> time to crash the server :)
Oct 18 14:07:20 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 18 14:07:20 <HattCzech_work> Chriffer: have you used putty to connect to your pixi before?
Oct 18 14:07:24 <PatrickC> HattCzech_work: how's the app comin?
Oct 18 14:07:36 <HattCzech_work> getting close to finishing it up
Oct 18 14:07:50 <Chriffer> I have novaterm up right now, through usb, wifi is disabled on the pixi right now
Oct 18 14:07:51 <HattCzech_work> not as clean as i would like (aka: still using a popup), but it'll work
Oct 18 14:08:08 <HattCzech_work> if you have novaterm up, you can copy files that way
Oct 18 14:08:41 <HattCzech_work> (well, through command prompt)
Oct 18 14:08:47 <Chriffer> it piped the contents to the screen for me on my first attempt, which was not quite so cool
Oct 18 14:08:47 <HattCzech_work> oh... try webos quick install
Oct 18 14:09:06 <PatrickC> what we tryin to do?
Oct 18 14:09:33 <Chriffer> backup a pixi without a touchscreen or networking
Oct 18 14:09:36 <HattCzech_work> i'm not sure if it has an actual file manager, but you can pull files if you know where they are (which you can browse and find using novaterm)
Oct 18 14:09:52 <PatrickC> Chriffer: use save/restore?
Oct 18 14:10:06 <HattCzech_work> he can't see it to use it :)
Oct 18 14:10:18 <HattCzech_work> or at least touch it
Oct 18 14:10:25 <PatrickC> I think you can trigger a save from the cmd line :)
Oct 18 14:10:34 <Chriffer> I can see the screen and keyboard works so I can sym+alt+u for usb mode
Oct 18 14:10:36 <PatrickC> #webos-internals could tell you probably
Oct 18 14:11:37 <Chriffer> Well I have at least 3 ways to do this now
Oct 18 14:12:22 <PatrickC> if its on wifi, I /think/ you can trigger a palm-profile backup (if there's a profile on it)
Oct 18 14:12:49 * halfhalo yawns
Oct 18 14:12:51 <Chriffer> Wifi is off, and turning wifi on through the command line seems undocumented
Oct 18 14:12:56 <EricBlade> wow holy crap my last app update got approved in less than a day
Oct 18 14:13:16 <EricBlade> did they just hit "approve all in queue"?
Oct 18 14:15:37 <EricBlade> "system update HP webOS 3.0.4 77 failed to install." crap.
Oct 18 14:17:11 <PatrickC> NO
Oct 18 14:17:21 * PatrickC wonders if that'll happen to his 4??
Oct 18 14:17:37 <PatrickC> EPR/Removing kernel time
Oct 18 14:18:08 <EricBlade> my guess is that the chroid farked it
Oct 18 14:18:37 * PatrickC has already doctored to fix it
Oct 18 14:20:15 <EricBlade> lol @ voogle releasing another seperate version for touchpad
Oct 18 14:20:49 <summatusmentis> guuuh, I forgot to remove some of my patches :(
Oct 18 14:22:37 <PatrickC> time to doctor?
Oct 18 14:22:49 <PatrickC> or do you only have to doctor if you forget a theme?
Oct 18 14:25:39 <Chriffer> Wow I am stupid, why didnt I just copy all the data to the accessible USB drive
Oct 18 14:26:47 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 18 14:27:06 <Chriffer> df -a
Oct 18 14:27:22 <Chriffer> Sorry I am too used to focus follows mouse
Oct 18 14:35:06 <EricBlade> hmm. this is first time i've doctored since installing cm7, and i'm sitting at the boot logo a little longer than i'd like to be
Oct 18 14:38:46 <EricBlade> whew it came up
Oct 18 14:41:23 <Hazel|work> ooh, 3.0.4? *clickety*
Oct 18 14:41:39 * Hazel|work was tempted when it was leaked, but decided she didn't want her Touchpad banning :P
Oct 18 14:41:39 <Hazel|work> heh
Oct 18 14:42:35 * EricBlade wonders if there's any way to cancel the auto app download when installing a new doctor
Oct 18 14:43:01 * Hazel|work installs the Mark II EMH on her TouchPad... ;)
Oct 18 14:43:13 <HattCzech_work> PatrickC: did you touchdroid your touchpad?
Oct 18 14:43:21 <HattCzech_work> or just ubuntu it?
Oct 18 14:44:18 <rwatkins> did they update the app catalog w/ 3.0.4?  seems like a bazillion times faster
Oct 18 14:44:37 <Hazel|work> it claims that it "makes it easier to find great TouchPad apps in the App Catalog"
Oct 18 14:44:44 <Hazel|work> which suggests the App Catalog has in some way changed
Oct 18 14:45:01 <EricBlade> but what about mediocre Touchpad apps, like mine?
Oct 18 14:45:09 <rwatkins> yea, they have a filter now for tablet/phone/all
Oct 18 14:45:24 <Hazel|work> EricBlade: heh
Oct 18 14:45:33 <rwatkins> and looks like the cache the entries rather than load everything on demand.  much better
Oct 18 14:45:46 <EricBlade> ah, they updated the description of it already. the first time i tried to load it it just said "contains various software improvements".
Oct 18 14:45:47 * Hazel|work is nearly half way downloaded...
Oct 18 14:46:19 <EricBlade> yes please make my TouchPad snappier, because the "Download now" button is ignoring my input
Oct 18 14:46:24 <Hazel|work> heh
Oct 18 14:46:43 <Hazel|work> ooh
Oct 18 14:46:46 <Hazel|work> unpacking now
Oct 18 14:47:00 <Hazel|work> yay for JANET (UK NREN) internet connection <3
Oct 18 14:47:05 <EricBlade> my guess is that download manager is completely stuffed trying to update all my apps at the same time
Oct 18 14:54:53 <PatrickC> HattCzech_work: both! :P
Oct 18 15:02:26 <EricBlade> omg download is so slow :(
Oct 18 15:02:42 <EricBlade> oh, right as i say that it jumps from 50% to "Unpacking"
Oct 18 15:02:53 <HattCzech_work> PatrickC: i've done ubuntu, but not droid yet... but i installed it on my co-worker's touchpad
Oct 18 15:02:59 <PatrickC> its easy
Oct 18 15:03:07 <PatrickC> wait to do it on 3.0.4
Oct 18 15:03:15 <PatrickC> I'm trying to help them get it running now :)
Oct 18 15:03:41 <HattCzech_work> yeah, it was easy to do
Oct 18 15:03:52 <HattCzech_work> just wanted the battery to work a little better before i installed it :)
Oct 18 15:03:57 <PatrickC> brb
Oct 18 15:04:36 <stbuehler> anyone got the update to work?
Oct 18 15:07:25 <stbuehler> and yay, it still doesn't save the download..
Oct 18 15:12:20 <klausa> 3.0.4 is out?
Oct 18 15:12:47 <PatrickC> yes
Oct 18 15:12:54 <PatrickC> stbuehler: worked here
Oct 18 15:13:23 <klausa> Great.
Oct 18 15:13:32 <klausa> Do i need to get back to stock kernel to update?
Oct 18 15:15:12 <PatrickC> you need to remove all patches and kernels and themes
Oct 18 15:15:25 <klausa> Oh.
Oct 18 15:15:50 <EricBlade> i'm not sure i can remove all patches after all the junk i've done to this. especially when doing a full doctor doesn't seem to
Oct 18 15:16:28 <PatrickC> EricBlade: if a doctor doesn't remove the patches you really messed it up
Oct 18 15:16:31 <stbuehler> i don't have patches, kernels or themes installed
Oct 18 15:16:50 <Hazel|work> PatrickC: whoops, I think I had the "uberkernel" thing installed (mostly to see if I could get NFS client working)
Oct 18 15:16:54 <PatrickC> then you have to do nothing
Oct 18 15:17:05 <Hazel|work> hmm?
Oct 18 15:17:07 <stbuehler> it just doesn't work
Oct 18 15:17:13 <PatrickC> Hazel|work: that was to stbuehler :)
Oct 18 15:17:22 <PatrickC> Hazel|work: hmm... not sure what to do
Oct 18 15:17:30 * Hazel|work has already started the update, heh
Oct 18 15:17:50 <klausa> Huh?
Oct 18 15:17:58 <klausa> So I don't have to uninstall uberkernel?
Oct 18 15:18:09 <Hazel|work> klausa: well, it's /started/ updating
Oct 18 15:18:10 <klausa> and patches?
Oct 18 15:18:15 <Hazel|work> I have no idea if it will work afterwards :P
Oct 18 15:18:19 <PatrickC> you must uninstall all kernels and patches and themes
Oct 18 15:18:39 * Hazel|work is downloading the Emergency WebOS Hologram ;) just in case
Oct 18 15:19:28 <Hazel|work> PatrickC: does "optware" and the X client count as "patches"?
Oct 18 15:19:35 <PatrickC> no
Oct 18 15:22:09 <HattCzech_work> 3.0.4 installed on one so far
Oct 18 15:22:47 <Hazel|work> well
Oct 18 15:22:53 <HattCzech_work> and #2 installed as well
Oct 18 15:22:54 <Hazel|work> 3.0.4 finished installing and it appears to work
Oct 18 15:23:02 <HattCzech_work> (both with ubuntu)
Oct 18 15:23:15 * EricBlade wonders if it will barf because i'm still installing all my apps after that doctor
Oct 18 15:25:20 <PatrickC> I had 8! app updates lol
Oct 18 15:27:34 <Hazel|work> presumably it decides when it wants to do app updates? I can't see an obvious "go look for updates!" button
Oct 18 15:27:35 <Hazel|work> heh
Oct 18 15:27:43 <Hazel|work> (vs system updates)
Oct 18 15:30:34 <PatrickC> go to software manager
Oct 18 15:30:40 <Hazel|work> and then?
Oct 18 15:30:44 <Hazel|work> I see a list of app
Oct 18 15:30:44 <Hazel|work> s
Oct 18 15:30:57 <PatrickC> let it stay open for a few minutes
Oct 18 15:31:04 <Hazel|work> ah, OK
Oct 18 15:31:05 <Hazel|work> :)
Oct 18 15:33:40 <stbuehler> and update failed again -.-
Oct 18 15:33:41 * halfhalo has donut
Oct 18 15:36:31 <klausa> How long does it 'unpack'?
Oct 18 15:37:07 <EricBlade> interesting.  I get a swirling status indicator with a "Installing Update" in portrait mode.  I don't recall getting that for 3.0.2
Oct 18 15:37:26 <Hazel|work> hmm, looked familiar to me
Oct 18 15:37:28 <EricBlade> klausa: mine was a few minutes
Oct 18 15:37:30 <Hazel|work> at least the swirly thing
Oct 18 15:37:44 <Hazel|work> or maybe that was when I was running webos doctor
Oct 18 15:37:45 <EricBlade> Hazel|work: i could've swore there was no status indicator on the 3.0.2 update
Oct 18 15:43:27 <halfhalo> oh newegg... i do love you, even with your tax
Oct 18 15:44:08 <halfhalo> I get an invoice from them for 240 for a replacement motherboard and tax and shipping, then another invoice right after for -250
Oct 18 15:44:20 <EricBlade> bonus!
Oct 18 15:45:10 <RagingMind> well the browser inline html5 video doesn't seem to work with youtube
Oct 18 15:45:42 <halfhalo> now, why I'm spending 250 on a mobo is a completely different issue
Oct 18 15:47:03 <klausa> Oh come on.
Oct 18 15:47:23 <klausa> You couldn't tell theat I need to recharge it *before* I started update process?
Oct 18 15:47:26 <klausa> Damn you., HP.
Oct 18 15:47:36 <stbuehler> any ideas how to debug update failure?
Oct 18 15:47:40 <halfhalo> needs at least 30% battery
Oct 18 15:51:36 <EricBlade> reboot -faster- damn you touchpad
Oct 18 15:53:19 <EricBlade> stbuehler: easiest thing might be to doctor 3.0.2 and then update, that's what i did, rather than figure out what things were making mine blow up.
Oct 18 15:53:56 <stbuehler> if i want to doctor i'll try the direct 3.0.4, but doctoring sucks
Oct 18 15:54:08 <stbuehler> for obvious reasons...
Oct 18 15:54:25 <EricBlade> might have to wait a few days on that
Oct 18 15:54:40 <EricBlade> do you have any patches / alt kernels installed?
Oct 18 15:55:03 <stbuehler> no
Oct 18 15:55:13 <stbuehler> it looks like it should just install a couple of ipks
Oct 18 15:55:31 <EricBlade> you install chroid or cm7?
Oct 18 15:56:32 <stbuehler> nope
Oct 18 15:58:26 <Hazel|work> EricBlade: er, why would you have to wait a few days? the webos 3.0.4 doctor is available now.
Oct 18 16:00:35 <EricBlade> Hazel|work: is it? i thought the doctor showed up a day or two after. otherwise i would've just doctored straight to 3.0.4 .. lol
Oct 18 16:01:11 <Hazel|work> well, it offered it to me when I went to the "manage my device" site
Oct 18 16:01:22 <EricBlade> oh.. well, then just do that lol
Oct 18 16:01:30 <Hazel|work> http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/touchpad/p304rod10182011/wd304wifi/webosdoctorp304hstnhwifi.jar < wifi only 3.0.4
Oct 18 16:01:41 <Hazel|work> http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/touchpad/p304rod10182011/wd304att/webosdoctorp304hstnhatt.jar < at&t 3g
Oct 18 16:02:26 <EricBlade> Hazel|work: i just saw a note on the dev site that the non-wifi-only wouldn't be out for a few days
Oct 18 16:02:35 <Hazel|work> oh
Oct 18 16:02:43 <Hazel|work> well I guessed the URL and it downloaded something...
Oct 18 16:03:18 <Hazel|work> 5f71a5a1fbba61651fe0cfcdafddc7f13b80bfa6  webosdoctorp304hstnhatt.jar
Oct 18 16:03:21 <Hazel|work> ^sha1sum
Oct 18 16:03:23 <Hazel|work> 283MB
Oct 18 16:04:09 <EricBlade> people were saying that it eliminates getting the checkerboard while scrolling web pages, that i don't see
Oct 18 16:04:15 <Hazel|work> basically I just replaced "wifi" with "att" (based on comparing the URLs of the wifi and at&t ones for 3.0.2 on the webos internals site)
Oct 18 16:04:21 <EricBlade> it does generally seem to be faster
Oct 18 16:04:23 * halfhalo wants 3g tp... grrr
Oct 18 16:04:36 <Hazel|work> and it downloaded something... I don't have a 3g touchpad though, so I can't tell you if it works :P
Oct 18 16:04:56 <Hazel|work> 570cafc50731bc01df5898bbaa52508f2da5ebf5  webosdoctorp304hstnhwifi.jar
Oct 18 16:05:01 <Hazel|work> ^ different sha1sum to the wifi one
Oct 18 16:05:35 <EricBlade> email app is just giving me a blank grey screen though
Oct 18 16:05:44 <EricBlade> had to close it and restart it :|
Oct 18 16:09:23 <EricBlade> yay there's no huge delay when starting gvoice anymore
Oct 18 16:10:23 <klausa> Fuck.
Oct 18 16:10:38 <klausa> Mine failed to update too.
Oct 18 16:10:52 <klausa> Doctor time then.
Oct 18 16:11:05 <stbuehler> it could at least log the fucking reason
Oct 18 16:16:13 <PatrickC> hey all
Oct 18 16:16:19 <halfhalo> lies
Oct 18 16:25:05 <EricBlade> the camera app seems to suck a bit, but so does the camera
Oct 18 16:27:45 <PatrickC> eh. it works lol
Oct 18 16:30:27 <EricBlade> i look like walking dead
Oct 18 16:30:39 <EricBlade> although some would say that's normal
Oct 18 16:30:47 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 18 16:31:03 <PatrickC> hmm.. can I use PHP in a webOS app?
Oct 18 16:31:07 <EricBlade> saw someone i haven't seen in months, she comes up to me, first thing she says is "you need some sleep."
Oct 18 16:31:18 <Khaytsus> EricBlade: Did you say "thanks mom" ?
Oct 18 16:31:25 <PatrickC> I really don't want to have my weather app need a C++ plugin :/
Oct 18 16:32:05 <klausa> Uhm, it normally boots that long after doctoring?
Oct 18 16:32:18 <PatrickC> what does?
Oct 18 16:32:49 <klausa> TouchPad.
Oct 18 16:32:58 <klausa> But it woken up already, so I guess it does.
Oct 18 16:33:19 <EricBlade> i really wish launcher had some folder mechanism
Oct 18 16:34:13 <EricBlade> hmm. i wonder if i have the HP camera app, or if i'm using one of the two that i downloaded
Oct 18 16:35:22 <EricBlade> having "Apps" and "Downloads" is just .. retarded
Oct 18 16:35:33 <EricBlade> no offense to anyone intended
Oct 18 16:35:46 <Khaytsus> EricBlade: Agreed, especially if there were tons of apps in the market
Oct 18 16:36:00 <RagingMind> yeah... the Downloads tab is kinda silly
Oct 18 16:36:08 <EricBlade> sure, i've got the patch that adds more tabs, but it's still "Apps" "Downloads" "Favorites" ..
Oct 18 16:36:23 <RagingMind> cause it's not really a category on it's own, so if I like stuff and move it then I have an empty page
Oct 18 16:36:27 <klausa> Oh, great, it can't even restore my webOS account.
Oct 18 16:38:31 <PatrickC> hmm.. how nice does webOS play with XML?
Oct 18 16:38:46 * halfhalo burns xml
Oct 18 16:38:56 <PatrickC> its that nice?
Oct 18 16:39:58 <PatrickC> hmm.. this seems to use json
Oct 18 16:40:00 <PatrickC> that's good
Oct 18 16:41:29 <EricBlade> i'm sure this tabbed arrangement was good when you had a dozen apps, but having 80+ is just .. annoying
Oct 18 16:41:39 <PatrickC> the json response seems to look a lot like js
Oct 18 16:41:47 <PatrickC> yeah
Oct 18 16:41:58 <halfhalo> you _do_ know what json stands for, right?
Oct 18 16:41:58 <PatrickC> EricBlade: that's why I have the "add launcher pages" patch
Oct 18 16:42:06 <PatrickC> halfhalo: no?
Oct 18 16:42:11 <halfhalo> ...a
Oct 18 16:42:16 <PatrickC> I'm just now looking at it lol
Oct 18 16:42:19 <halfhalo> javascript object notation
Oct 18 16:42:23 <EricBlade> PatrickC: yeah but having to put them all back into their places is annoying
Oct 18 16:42:26 <PatrickC> never had the need to use it before
Oct 18 16:42:46 <EricBlade> and i'm vaguely afraid to uninstall any of them on the offchance that everything disappears
Oct 18 16:42:48 <PatrickC> halfhalo: oh..
Oct 18 16:43:59 <halfhalo> ...
Oct 18 16:44:21 * PatrickC now needs to figure out now to use/display the return
Oct 18 16:44:33 <PatrickC> and have it auto-populate
Oct 18 16:46:18 <EricBlade> anybody with a Pre3 able to confirm gvoice is in the app cat?
Oct 18 16:49:20 <Hazel|work> halfhalo: though I'm led to believe that, whilst JSON *is* valid javascript, you're recommended not to just eval() it, but to use something safer that reads it
Oct 18 16:49:53 <halfhalo> yup.  because eval is evil.
Oct 18 16:50:05 <PatrickC> EricBlade: I'll check
Oct 18 16:50:25 <EricBlade> OH messenger has custom availability for individual accounts
Oct 18 16:50:46 <klausa> Oh come the fuck on.
Oct 18 16:50:53 <PatrickC> EricBlade: yes
Oct 18 16:50:55 <klausa> Now it can't even log in to my webOS account.
Oct 18 16:51:06 <PatrickC> EricBlade: really? AWESOME!!!
Oct 18 16:51:38 <EricBlade> yeah you can enable/disable skype and yahoo seperately . . doesn't seem to support it for gtalk though
Oct 18 16:51:43 <EricBlade> or maybe my gtalk isn't working
Oct 18 16:51:58 <PatrickC> maybe
Oct 18 16:52:09 <PatrickC> and yes. gvoice is available in the pre3 app cat
Oct 18 16:52:10 <EricBlade> messenger seems much faster now
Oct 18 16:52:14 <EricBlade> PatrickC: great!
Oct 18 16:52:14 <PatrickC> you run it on one yet?
Oct 18 16:52:27 <EricBlade> not personally, but two other people have
Oct 18 16:52:45 <PatrickC> cool
Oct 18 16:52:52 <EricBlade> the new webos paired to my phone almost instantly
Oct 18 16:53:13 <PatrickC> awesome
Oct 18 16:53:22 <PatrickC> I just wish/hope it works with legacy devices
Oct 18 16:53:42 <EricBlade> should work at least for calls, they need to have a MAP bt profile for messaging
Oct 18 16:53:55 <PatrickC> that I know
Oct 18 16:54:01 <PatrickC> wish they would fix that
Oct 18 16:54:04 <EricBlade> wow it was able to get the phone app up and running on the touchpad before the call was even connected on the cell phone. that's amazing.
Oct 18 16:57:40 <EricBlade> now once my bluetooth headset arrives, i can bluetooth from my phone to my touchpad to my ears
Oct 18 16:57:41 <EricBlade> lol
Oct 18 17:06:14 <HattCzech_work> anyone tried pairing webos 2.1 w/ touchpad?
Oct 18 17:06:30 <HattCzech_work> real question being: does messaging work? :)
Oct 18 17:06:41 <PatrickC> it wont
Oct 18 17:06:48 <HattCzech_work> boooohooooo hoooo hoooo
Oct 18 17:08:17 <RagingMind> I think 2.2 is the first that supports it.  anyone with a pre3 wanna comment?
Oct 18 17:15:01 <PatrickC> yes
Oct 18 17:15:06 <PatrickC> it needs the MAP profile
Oct 18 17:15:18 <PatrickC> which isnt on anything below 2.2.x
Oct 18 17:16:34 <Hendikins> And yes, messaging works with a Pre3.
Oct 18 17:31:28 <EricBlade> lol @ the reviews of "KTorrentTouch"
Oct 18 17:33:20 <rwatkins> wow and they let it thru.  "Seeding -> True Blood, S03E04 .."
Oct 18 17:33:46 <EricBlade> wow the "new" tab on the app cat is going back weeks . . . i wonder if all the catalog issues were actually on the client end
Oct 18 17:34:23 <rwatkins> ktorrenttouch should make a screenshot where its seeding early access SDK versions and see what happens
Oct 18 17:50:08 <EricBlade> lithium benchmark (however reliable it might/might not be) scores an improvement from 139 to 129
Oct 18 17:54:13 <rwatkins> https://twitter.com/dstrelau/status/126353797256724480
Oct 18 17:54:35 <VICODANAX> oooh 3.04 is out
Oct 18 17:54:48 <klausa> Well, I think browser is much better.
Oct 18 17:56:41 <RagingMind> there are more options in location services :)
Oct 18 17:58:55 <VICODANAX> downloading it now
Oct 18 17:59:12 <VICODANAX> is there a 3.04 web doctor?
Oct 18 18:08:39 <PatrickC> tes
Oct 18 18:08:45 <PatrickC> yes there is VICODAN *
Oct 18 18:12:25 <VICODANAX> thanks PatrickC
Oct 18 18:12:28 <PatrickC> np
Oct 18 18:12:34 <VICODANAX> i wanna get android off my touchpad
Oct 18 18:20:31 <akanster_> what's the version of webkit in 3.0.4?
Oct 18 18:26:20 <wrea> akanster, still probably the same one was the others in 3.0.x with some fixes and such I would imagine
Oct 18 18:29:54 <rwatkins> whats the 3.0.2 useragent?
Oct 18 18:30:50 <rwatkins> 3.0.4 claims its AppleWebKit 534.6, wOSBrowser 234.76
Oct 18 18:32:27 <wrea> akanster_, its definitely not a newer version. Although it might either have a slightly newer checkout, or just backported
Oct 18 18:33:17 <dwc-> Mozilla/5.0 (hp-tablet; Linux; hpwOS/3.0.2; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) wOSBrowser/234.40.1 Safari/534.6 TouchPad/1.0
Oct 18 18:33:49 <rwatkins> so something in there, but not much likely
Oct 18 18:39:52 <VICODANAX> what would be the best way to back up my 3.02 rom with all the tweaks, and kernels and stuff?
Oct 18 18:45:27 <RagingMind> VICODANAX, there's a way to backup all your prefs, including the list of stuff installed in preware.
Oct 18 18:46:26 <RagingMind> but there's not really a convenient way to backup and restore an actual installed image of everything
Oct 18 18:51:09 <VICODANAX> that sucks
Oct 18 18:51:13 <VICODANAX> so nothing like a nandroid for webos
Oct 18 18:51:40 <VICODANAX> thanks RagingMind
Oct 18 18:52:11 <VICODANAX> i'll just run the ota update and probably run web doctor and reset my touchpad to factory defaults
Oct 18 18:53:11 <creationix> node v0.4.12!
Oct 18 18:53:21 <halfhalo> lies
Oct 18 18:53:30 <creationix> time to create a npm package just for the touchpad
Oct 18 18:53:51 <creationix> then you can do "npm install -g touchpad-tools" or something
Oct 18 18:56:56 <halfhalo> orly
Oct 18 18:56:58 <VICODANAX> what is npm?
Oct 18 18:57:15 <VICODANAX> sorry im really new to the webos/tp scene
Oct 18 18:57:42 <akanster_> 1st hit on Google
Oct 18 18:58:34 <creationix> halfhalo: I want to update my node-pdk binaries.  What do you think is the best way to rebuild them?
Oct 18 18:58:51 <creationix> I wish I could build directly in the webos environment and not use a chroot
Oct 18 18:59:20 <halfhalo> I completely forgot how they were built in the first place...
Oct 18 18:59:26 <VICODANAX> ah npm looks really cool
Oct 18 19:00:30 <halfhalo> creationix widk should build them just fine methinks.
Oct 18 19:00:45 <creationix> yeah, that's probably the best option
Oct 18 19:00:48 <creationix> just a pain to setup
Oct 18 19:00:50 <VICODANAX> basically the same thing as yum and apt-get or any different?
Oct 18 19:01:08 <creationix> ViCODAN sortof, or like ruby gems or python eggs
Oct 18 19:01:31 <VICODANAX> nice
Oct 18 19:01:32 <creationix> VICODANAX: but it doesn't install globally by default, node's package system isn't centralized
Oct 18 19:01:42 <VICODANAX> and touchpad-tools is that a package that exists yet or was that just an example?
Oct 18 19:01:59 <creationix> so if you're working on a node service or a pdk app using my framework, you can just npm install from your app's directory
Oct 18 19:02:10 <creationix> VICODANAX: no, it doesn't exist
Oct 18 19:02:21 <VICODANAX> k
Oct 18 19:02:26 <creationix> VICODAN but if you "npm install -g creationix" you'll get one of my tools
Oct 18 19:02:41 <VICODANAX> yeah
Oct 18 19:02:45 <creationix> VICODANAX: it's a script called "share" that serves the current directory over http
Oct 18 19:02:46 <VICODANAX> well
Oct 18 19:02:50 <VICODANAX> im about to OTA to 3.04
Oct 18 19:02:59 <VICODANAX> im trying to figure out if there's any way to back everything up but apparently not
Oct 18 19:03:00 <creationix> I run it in media/internal and stream movies from my touchpad
Oct 18 19:03:11 <creationix> I just OTAed and there was no trouble
Oct 18 19:03:14 <VICODANAX> well
Oct 18 19:03:19 <VICODANAX> i have moboot and cm7 installed
Oct 18 19:03:22 <VICODANAX> also all the tweaks
Oct 18 19:03:23 <creationix> but my device didn't have much other than uberkernel
Oct 18 19:03:23 <VICODANAX> govnah
Oct 18 19:03:26 <VICODANAX> impostah
Oct 18 19:03:28 <VICODANAX> uberkernel
Oct 18 19:03:37 <VICODANAX> preware
Oct 18 19:04:48 <sampson> boo
Oct 18 19:05:46 <sampson> where's the doctor for 3.0.4
Oct 18 19:06:13 <sampson> nice 404
Oct 18 19:06:54 <klausa> Huh?
Oct 18 19:07:07 <VICODANAX> sampson
Oct 18 19:07:11 <VICODANAX> it's on XDA
Oct 18 19:07:15 <ohhmaar> hello
Oct 18 19:07:30 <sampson> i found the url
Oct 18 19:07:33 <sampson> it's wrong on the wiki
Oct 18 19:07:38 <VICODANAX> hello ohhmaar
Oct 18 19:07:43 <VICODANAX> sampson: edit the wiki then :)
Oct 18 19:07:54 <sampson> i don't have a login and busy with a conference call
Oct 18 19:07:57 <ohhmaar> im a new webos user ... coming from android
Oct 18 19:08:15 <klausa> http://ws.hpwebos.com/webosdoctor/webosdoctor.htm?
Oct 18 19:08:21 <klausa> This gives me 3.0.4.
Oct 18 19:10:00 <VICODANAX> klausa
Oct 18 19:11:18 <phoque_uni> is the 3.0.4 SDK behaving weirdly for anybody else too?
Oct 18 19:11:27 <VICODANAX> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308636
Oct 18 19:11:32 <phoque_uni> something about my services is completely broken
Oct 18 19:11:44 <phoque_uni> whereas everything is fine on my OTA-3.0.4-device
Oct 18 19:13:50 <ohhmaar> anyone have a sprint palm pre here?
Oct 18 19:15:06 <halfhalo> bleh, xda
Oct 18 19:19:34 <creationix> ohhmaar: no, but I have about every other device
Oct 18 19:19:54 <ohhmaar> damn, trying to figure out how to upgrade to webos 2.1
Oct 18 19:23:25 <stbuehler> does anyone have an idea how to a) debug the webos 3.0.4 upgrade (doesn't work for me) and b) how to save the update data so i don't have to redownload it for every try again?
Oct 18 19:42:19 <klausa> Uhm, is there way to scroll inner div in TouchPad browser?
Oct 18 19:48:46 <EricBlade> is there some easy built-in way to have a custom button icon, that has 3 states? (disabled, active, tapped) i only see examples of 2-state (active, tapped) in the dev kit
Oct 18 19:50:27 <dawm|tp> meh
Oct 18 19:51:31 <dawm|tp> need 3.0.4 uberkernel.. this be slow!
Oct 18 20:04:33 <DarkdowN> heyaz!
Oct 18 20:04:47 <DarkdowN> i assume this is the topic of the day, but are there reports that 3.0.4 didn';t take for folks?
Oct 18 20:06:37 <DarkdowN> i removed uberkernel and all patches even..
Oct 18 20:07:00 <dawm> i didnt remove nothing and just updated
Oct 18 20:07:06 <dawm> no issues other than no uberkernel
Oct 18 20:07:13 <dawm> so 1.18ghz :|
Oct 18 20:07:20 <DarkdowN> hrmm...
Oct 18 20:07:29 <dawm> html5 audio has latency just like the pre/pre+ :(
Oct 18 20:07:42 <DarkdowN> i wonder if there are logs for this..
Oct 18 20:07:47 <Freman> so um, to upgrade to 3.0.4 we remove a whole pile of stuff first?
Oct 18 20:08:24 <DarkdowN> Freman: sounds unnecessary
Oct 18 20:09:21 <Freman> well, some how I got a broken hosts file (breaking the adblock patches) I just wanted to find out if I had to remove the likes of logging and uberkernel before upgrading to prevent them breaking like the adblock patches
Oct 18 20:09:50 <DarkdowN> I forget how an OTA works.. does it do it during shutdown?  or startup?
Oct 18 20:10:47 <DarkdowN> saw someone complaining they couldn't even get the doctor to work!
Oct 18 20:10:55 <Freman> might give it a week or two :D
Oct 18 20:11:50 <DarkdowN> does anyone who did 3.0.4 OTA have Ubuntu installed?  I don't think that'd cause the problem, but another that had problems also has ubuntu..
Oct 18 20:15:57 <Freman> yay, 3.0.4 sdk
Oct 18 20:17:45 <Freman> "Fixed bug in which the app, after being launched in Exhibition Mode, could not be relaunched in app mode." - doh, I just worked around that!
Oct 18 20:17:54 <VICODANAX> loool
Oct 18 20:18:14 <Freman> I wonder if they fixed the 403 auth issue where rather than returning an error it retries forever
Oct 18 20:20:35 <dawm> people complain to complain even if there isnt a problem
Oct 18 20:20:39 <dawm> its called being an attention whore
Oct 18 20:21:03 <Freman> that is a problem tho :D
Oct 18 20:36:57 <fxspec06> anything special i should uninstall before i update
Oct 18 20:37:08 <fxspec06> i just did theme and kernel
Oct 18 20:39:42 <VICODANAX> no
Oct 18 20:39:52 <VICODANAX> kernel wont work in 3.0.4
Oct 18 20:39:59 <VICODANAX> join #touchpad this channel is for development
Oct 18 20:40:42 <VICODANAX> fxspec06: i just updated to 3.0.4
Oct 18 20:40:43 <fxspec06> uhm yes i know i'm in here all the time and i have multiple apps out.
Oct 18 20:40:48 <VICODANAX> oh ok my bad
Oct 18 20:40:50 <rwhitby> um, #touchpad is explicitly the wrong channel for discussion of WebOS Internals custom kernels
Oct 18 20:40:59 <VICODANAX> everyone always tells me to not talk about that stuff
Oct 18 20:41:12 <VICODANAX> rwhitby: is this the right channel then?
Oct 18 20:41:17 <rwhitby> no
Oct 18 20:41:20 <VICODANAX> what is?
Oct 18 20:41:45 <rwhitby> www.webos-internals.org has the IRC channel details
Oct 18 20:48:19 <VICODANAX> found it thanks
Oct 18 20:51:02 <jcerwinske> so... upgrade to 11.10 has totally borked my workstation. f#$%in Unity...
Oct 18 20:51:28 <ziplock503>  anyone know why sometimes my pre2 (sprint) stops receiving text msg ? untill i do a reset and then they are magicly there with timestamp and everything ... only major issue with my pre2
Oct 18 20:51:59 <jcerwinske> err oops not #ubuntu, sorry
Oct 18 21:03:14 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Away: pong
Oct 18 21:04:53 <ohhmaar> does anyone elses palm pre heat up while being charged on touchstone?
Oct 18 21:05:05 <ziplock503> sometimes
Oct 18 21:05:25 <jcerwinske> it gets a little warm maybe, but not hot
Oct 18 21:07:09 <rwatkins> depends on how much the battery needs to charge
Oct 18 21:07:32 <rwatkins> if my TP is at 50% it warms up charging, if its topped off it doesnt.
Oct 18 21:11:31 <jcerwinske> If I'm not interested in Unity, is there any real reason to use the Ubuntu chroot over Debian? seems Debian has way more ARM packages...
Oct 18 21:27:30 <directhex> if i've used metadoctor to add an ubuntu partition, will a regular non-meta doctor leave my partition unmolested? or do i need to use metadoctor again to reinstall webos whilst preserving the ubuntu partition?
Oct 18 21:29:44 <fxspec06> mojo emulator STILL has ridiculous performance issues loading DOM elements.
Oct 18 21:30:15 <fxspec06> i guess expecting mojo to load dom elements fast is too much to ask
Oct 18 21:30:22 <fxspec06> (on the touchpad)
Oct 18 21:35:53 <rwatkins> i think optimization targeted at Mojo is likely a dead end
Oct 18 21:43:19 <stbuehler> i think coding everything in enyo is a dead end
Oct 18 21:45:42 <summatusmentis> I think coding is a dead end
Oct 18 21:51:24 <DarkdowN> damn i need my patches!! :)
Oct 18 21:51:50 <rwatkins> then doctor back to 3.0.2, wait a week and then update.
Oct 18 21:52:02 <DarkdowN> so i figured out why i couldn't OTA. Apparently /boot being full was a problem, i cleared up almost 5 mb, now there's only 712k used.. i don't know what all is using that extra space!
Oct 18 21:52:52 <dwc-> du will tell you
Oct 18 21:53:01 <dwc-> though now I'm curious what it is you deleted... hopefully nothing important :P
Oct 18 21:54:09 <DarkdowN> du will only tell me if i did a before-and-after check.. i did not
Oct 18 21:54:29 <DarkdowN> i deleted an extra kernel, and moved away (Temporarily) another
Oct 18 21:58:26 <DarkdowN> turns out, it is a little annoying to use this w/o my patches, maybe i shoulda waited :)
Oct 18 21:59:32 <fxspec06> i think mojo performance is actually worse
Oct 18 22:01:16 <fxspec06> wild'n video poker is a great mojo benchmark, and the touchpad just flat out does not like it
Oct 18 22:02:04 <fxspec06> in contrast, native mojo devices dig it. =|
Oct 18 22:03:02 <fxspec06> oh hey, 0 stars for wildn free. reason? "won't download"
Oct 18 22:05:34 <rwatkins> too bad you cant rate the app catalog itself - "0 stars, apps dont download"
Oct 18 22:06:45 <fxspec06> i'd give the app catalog 3 stars. 3 for the fact that my apps are in it, and -2 because i can't combat these reviews
Oct 18 22:06:57 <rwatkins> or "1 star - 'very soon' does not mean 'in a few days, maybe' for a monthy magazine"
Oct 18 22:07:29 <rwatkins> responding to reviews is a slippery slope of just showing an online fight with your customers.
Oct 18 22:07:45 <halfhalo> they started it
Oct 18 22:08:18 <rwatkins> thats *exactly* what my four year old daughter says actually.
Oct 18 22:08:35 <fxspec06> i should just not allow anyone to buy my app. that'll stop the negative reviews
Oct 18 22:08:42 <fxspec06> and generate interest
Oct 18 22:09:33 <rwatkins> price it at $100 and just give out promo codes to people that prove themselves to be not-annoying
Oct 18 22:09:59 <dwc-> not owning the app... can't you still leave a review?
Oct 18 22:10:21 <fxspec06> yes, if you're smart enough.
Oct 18 22:10:26 <fxspec06> o.O
Oct 18 22:11:02 <fxspec06> you could technically leave a review for every app in the app catalog if you're smart enough
Oct 18 22:11:10 <rwatkins> how so?
Oct 18 22:11:13 <fxspec06> you would need to know the app id of every single pay for app though
Oct 18 22:11:15 <DarkdowN> wow there are movies and books section in market.android.com.. wild
Oct 18 22:11:49 <fxspec06> all you need to review an app is an app id installed w/ an equal or higher version number
Oct 18 22:12:26 <fxspec06> NO WAY I CAN FINALLY CHOOSE WHICH ACCOUNTS TO SIGN INTO.
Oct 18 22:13:46 * fxspec06 wants that for his phone
Oct 18 22:13:51 <rwatkins> http://twitter.com/#!/webOSPivot/status/125657666063302656 -> *two days ago!*
Oct 18 22:14:16 <wrea> "soon"
Oct 18 22:14:46 <DarkdowN> rwatkins: which, really, is not that different from the status before it :)  I was hoping it would come w/ 3.0.4.. eh
Oct 18 22:14:51 <fxspec06> dude, it's coming out soon. if you don't believe me, check the app catalog. it even SAYS it's coming out soon.
Oct 18 22:14:54 <rwatkins> ah, I guess from hp/plam the 'quotes' are implied.
Oct 18 22:16:35 <rwatkins> great products and technology, but sometimes their inability to just deliver drives me crazy.
Oct 18 22:17:33 <fxspec06> that's what she said !
Oct 18 22:18:27 <fxspec06> hey browser performance is improved
Oct 18 22:18:29 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=giAQuLntqXY
Oct 18 22:24:22 <Freman> might download the sdk today and see if the 401/403 auth behaviour is fixed
Oct 18 22:30:45 <stbuehler> is there an easy way to see app reviews outside of the app catalog?
Oct 18 22:30:45 <fxspec06> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/10/rumor-hp-to-layoff-webos-engineers-by-months-end-exclusive/
Oct 18 22:31:02 <rwatkins> stbuehler: no
Oct 18 22:31:33 <fxspec06> you could hire someone to take screenshots of every review daily and put an image together and upload it and PM you the link
Oct 18 22:31:39 <fxspec06> that'd make it easy for you
Oct 18 22:31:44 <stbuehler> somehow the tp appcatalog doesn't show any of the reviews for my app
Oct 18 22:32:19 <stbuehler> not even the ones that look like they have been written on a tp
Oct 18 22:39:51 <bluezone> fast question, how do i control what a normal "palm-button" does when pressed
Oct 18 22:40:10 <fxspec06> in mojo?
Oct 18 22:40:12 <bluezone> yeah
Oct 18 22:40:59 <fxspec06> Mojo.Controller.listen(this.controller.get("buttonId"), Mojo.Event.tap, this.functionCall.bind(this));
Oct 18 22:41:15 <bluezone> thanks ill try it :)
Oct 18 22:41:48 <fxspec06> =) that goes in activate, use stopListening in deactivate. not to confuse you or anything.
Oct 18 22:42:44 <bluezone> what do you mean it goes in activate :O
Oct 18 22:43:57 <DarkdowN> Has anybody seen my Triceratops? He's fantastic.
Oct 18 22:44:28 <dawm> DarkdowN, lol
Oct 18 22:44:31 <fxspec06> in mojo each scene has an 'activate' method and a 'deactivate' method. you should put your event listeners in here, and bind them to a variable that is binded in setup to your function
Oct 18 22:45:44 <fxspec06> so like in setup you would put "this.functionCall_ = this.functionCall.bind(this);", and then activate would put Mojo.Controller.listen(this.controller.get("buttonId"), Mojo.Event.tap, this.functionCall_.bind(this));, and in deactivate put the equivelant but with 'stopListening'
Oct 18 22:46:56 <fxspec06> it's optional to use a binding variable, but it's good practice.
Oct 18 22:47:47 <fxspec06> also i suppose it's proper to use bindAsEventListener instead of just bind, but either works.
Oct 18 22:49:30 <dawm> David Guetta and Usher use TouchPad to reverse 250 million years of plate tectonics [video]
Oct 18 22:49:31 <dawm> LOL
Oct 18 22:51:19 <fxspec06> i didn't know david guetta and usher figured out quantum physics all on their own, their only device being the touchpad
Oct 18 22:51:45 <fxspec06> that was a HUGE HP logo also
Oct 18 22:52:04 <fxspec06> and i love how that lady literally tapped on the massive HP logo
Oct 18 22:52:07 <fxspec06> and it "did something"
Oct 18 22:52:47 <PuffTheMagic> LMAO -> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=188975267784344
Oct 18 22:53:47 <DarkdowN> PuffTheMagic: yeah saw that last week, pretty neat :)
Oct 18 22:55:05 <fxspec06> lmao
Oct 18 22:58:31 <PuffTheMagic> terror terror terror, go shopping, terrorism
Oct 18 22:59:08 <PuffTheMagic> this is an message from the architect of the matrix...
Oct 18 23:00:22 <DarkdowN> time for nappin.. ;^)
Oct 18 23:18:28 <Tibfib> heh, I just woke up from a nap
Oct 18 23:19:04 <fxspec06> since when are you allowed to take naps?
Oct 18 23:19:57 <wrea> yeah, get back to work
Oct 18 23:21:35 * Tibfib yawns
Oct 18 23:21:40 <Tibfib> it probably wasn't a good decision.
Oct 18 23:22:27 <fxspec06> hindsight is 20/20, aint that great
Oct 18 23:24:32 <Tibfib> hmmm, I'd say about 80/60. I can't decide whether I am more or less tired than before
Oct 18 23:26:45 <PuffTheMagic> i cant nap
Oct 18 23:26:55 <PuffTheMagic> when i try, it turns into sleep
Oct 18 23:27:42 <dwc-> I could use a nap
Oct 18 23:27:44 * halfhalo wants sleep....
Oct 18 23:27:54 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, you need to work on canvas
Oct 18 23:27:57 <PuffTheMagic> no sleep for u
Oct 18 23:28:00 * halfhalo has a class in in an hour and a half tho...
Oct 18 23:28:08 <PuffTheMagic> soooooooooooooooooo
Oct 18 23:28:22 <Tibfib> so hour nap?
Oct 18 23:28:31 <halfhalo> have to do the hw for it first
Oct 18 23:28:31 <PuffTheMagic> i need canvas before i can do more work on wterm
Oct 18 23:28:40 <PuffTheMagic> and now that 304 is out we could actually release it
Oct 18 23:28:41 <Tibfib> sooo 55min nap?
Oct 18 23:28:43 <PuffTheMagic> so get to work
Oct 18 23:29:28 * PuffTheMagic cant wait for his 3 touchpads to show up tomorrow
Oct 18 23:29:29 <halfhalo> bah!
Oct 18 23:29:59 <halfhalo> excessive much?
Oct 18 23:30:40 <Tibfib> I dunno, 55 mins isn't that excessive of a nap
Oct 18 23:31:05 * Tibfib kids for those that aren't sure.
Oct 18 23:32:01 <halfhalo> see, if i were to take a nap, I would wake up at like 11pm.
Oct 18 23:33:31 <fxspec06> if i took a nap, it would not be a nap. i'd never fall asleep, and it would just turn into a huge waste of time.
Oct 18 23:37:36 <Tibfib> sooo code, or start watching 24.
Oct 18 23:37:47 <Tibfib> life decisions.
Oct 18 23:38:10 <fxspec06> code, while watching 24
Oct 18 23:38:19 <Tibfib> can't, can only watch 24 on laptop
Oct 18 23:38:35 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AeKX1qhXT70
Oct 18 23:38:36 <dawm> NICE
Oct 18 23:38:49 <fxspec06> external monitor
Oct 18 23:39:04 <fxspec06> ?
Oct 18 23:39:05 <halfhalo> have 24 in window
Oct 18 23:39:28 <fxspec06> halfhalo: is your screen 60" or 80"? 4k or 8k?
Oct 18 23:39:34 <fxspec06> (j/k)
Oct 18 23:39:39 <Tibfib> no external monitor
Oct 18 23:40:13 <fxspec06> heh you should watch it on your touchpad!
Oct 18 23:41:13 <Tibfib> downloading 3.0.4!
Oct 18 23:41:58 <fxspec06> excuses excuses excuses
Oct 18 23:42:02 <fxspec06> pop it up on your pre
Oct 18 23:42:20 <fxspec06> enable transparency in your dev studio
Oct 18 23:46:31 <EricBlade> out of curiosity if any of you are using gvoice, could you let me know if voicemail is functioning after updating?  i'm not getting it, but everyone else i've talked to so far is
Oct 18 23:49:10 <PatrickC> what video codecs does the tp support?
Oct 18 23:50:19 <EricBlade> PatrickC: few. very few.
Oct 18 23:50:44 <PatrickC> argh.. is there a list somewhere?
Oct 18 23:50:49 <PuffTheMagic> yes
Oct 18 23:50:52 <PuffTheMagic> on the device info app
Oct 18 23:50:57 <PuffTheMagic> pretty sure
Oct 18 23:50:59 * PatrickC checks
Oct 18 23:50:59 <PuffTheMagic> errr wait
Oct 18 23:51:05 <PuffTheMagic> there is somewhere else
Oct 18 23:51:05 <fxspec06> .PLM, .HP, .TPX
Oct 18 23:51:10 <fxspec06> those are the only ones i know of
Oct 18 23:51:18 <PatrickC> .HP? haha
Oct 18 23:53:30 <PuffTheMagic> there was this url i found
Oct 18 23:53:38 <PuffTheMagic> when i was playing with impostah
Oct 18 23:54:19 <PuffTheMagic> http://downloads.palm.com/profiles/P101U_R3.xml
Oct 18 23:54:21 <PuffTheMagic> there u go
Oct 18 23:54:27 <fxspec06> yep, apparently palm created their own video codecs when they made webos. they're the best codecs ever, but nobody wants to use them =( actually they cost $80B to make
Oct 18 23:54:30 <PuffTheMagic> shows all supported codecs
Oct 18 23:54:45 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/3gpp</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:54:46 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/mp4</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:54:46 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/mpeg</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:54:46 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/mpg</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:54:47 <fxspec06> which is absurd when you consider palm was only a $1.5B company =(
Oct 18 23:55:41 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: thanks
Oct 18 23:55:44 <PatrickC> fxspec06: wow
Oct 18 23:55:47 <PuffTheMagic> woah it can stream a lot
Oct 18 23:55:48 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/3gpp</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:55:48 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/mp4</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:55:48 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/m4v</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:55:48 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/m4a</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:55:48 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/mov</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:55:50 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/3GP</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:55:52 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/3G2</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:55:54 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/H263-2000;profile=0;level=45</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:55:56 <PuffTheMagic> <rdf:li>video/H264</rdf:li>
Oct 18 23:56:15 <fxspec06> =O that's a many of codecs
Oct 18 23:56:47 <PatrickC> sweet! I was hoping for H264
Oct 18 23:57:03 <fxspec06> i accidentally the whole thing.
Oct 18 23:57:09 <PuffTheMagic> hmmm wait a sec
Oct 18 23:57:13 <PatrickC> what?
Oct 18 23:57:15 <PuffTheMagic> prf:Model>PalmPre/1.0</prf:Model>
Oct 18 23:57:22 <fxspec06> www.internetmemes.com
Oct 18 23:57:29 <PatrickC> 320x480
Oct 18 23:57:31 <PatrickC> hmm..
Oct 18 23:57:50 <PuffTheMagic> anyone have a TP with a profile created on the TP?
Oct 18 23:57:58 <PatrickC> I do
Oct 18 23:58:06 <PuffTheMagic> got impostah?
Oct 18 23:58:19 <PatrickC> it'll be like 5 min (its my lil bros)
Oct 18 23:58:27 <PatrickC> he's playing a game in android lol
Oct 18 23:59:12 <PuffTheMagic> lame
Oct 18 23:59:17 <PuffTheMagic> take it away
Oct 18 23:59:23 <PatrickC> just did lol
Oct 18 23:59:57 <fxspec06> anyone try voogle xl yet
Oct 19 00:00:06 <PatrickC> I have a code waiting for me
Oct 19 00:00:11 <PatrickC> activates tomorerow
Oct 19 00:00:33 <PatrickC> protip: there /might/ be 10 promo codes available tomorrow on webOSRoundup ;)
Oct 19 00:01:20 <fxspec06> hmm
Oct 19 00:03:13 <EricBlade> wow, wtf, a website that i haven't been to on my touchpad in over a month has managed to recognize me, and that's through at least 3 doctors.
Oct 19 00:03:17 <EricBlade> and a full system wipe
Oct 19 00:03:18 <EricBlade> wtf
Oct 19 00:03:36 <PatrickC> EricBlade: that's because the cookie is stored on the palm profile
Oct 19 00:03:51 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: in impostah
Oct 19 00:04:04 <PuffTheMagic> go to system prefs
Oct 19 00:04:16 <PuffTheMagic> then scroll down to the uaProf
Oct 19 00:04:16 <PatrickC> in
Oct 19 00:04:19 <PuffTheMagic> and paste your url
Oct 19 00:04:59 <PatrickC> http://downloads.palm.com/profiles/=101U_R3.xml
Oct 19 00:05:25 <PuffTheMagic> no equal sign
Oct 19 00:05:39 <PatrickC> that's a 'P'
Oct 19 00:05:47 <PatrickC> sorry. hit the opt when I ment the shift :P
Oct 19 00:06:32 <PuffTheMagic> hmm thats the same as mine
Oct 19 00:06:40 <PuffTheMagic> u sure thats a new profile?
Oct 19 00:06:43 <PatrickC> yes
Oct 19 00:06:53 <PatrickC> new email. not paired with any phones
Oct 19 00:09:59 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: any ideas?
Oct 19 00:10:04 <PuffTheMagic> no
Oct 19 00:10:24 <PatrickC> ok.. I just needed h264
Oct 19 00:10:27 <PatrickC> so that's good
Oct 19 00:21:30 <dwc-> h264, but only in an mp4 ;p
Oct 19 00:21:54 <dwc-> h264 in a mkv, no
Oct 19 00:23:17 <PatrickC> dwc-: I have a m4v that won't play on it. I need to fix it :)
Oct 19 00:24:49 <Tibfib> wheww, catalog is much better
Oct 19 00:24:55 <PatrickC> my dad wanted to know if the tp supported h264 as a codec
Oct 19 00:24:58 <PatrickC> Tibfib: I know!
Oct 19 00:25:00 <PatrickC> its awesome
Oct 19 00:27:08 <Tibfib> also, 24 is good
Oct 19 00:27:13 <Tibfib> and I got no coding done
Oct 19 00:27:37 <Tibfib> it's a lazy day
Oct 19 00:27:52 <dawm> yeah
Oct 19 00:28:02 <dawm> i spent a couple hours in photoshop working on graphics
Oct 19 00:28:05 <dawm> got pissed off
Oct 19 00:28:07 <dawm> gave up
Oct 19 00:28:38 <Tibfib> I spent a couple minutes in photoshop working on the nom3 tutorial and realized the psds I have are worthless.
Oct 19 00:28:46 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 19 00:29:01 <dawm> thing that pisses me off is all the dead space
Oct 19 00:29:06 <dawm> touchpad is too damn big
Oct 19 00:29:09 <PatrickC> lol
Oct 19 00:29:15 <halfhalo> thats what she said
Oct 19 00:29:23 <halfhalo> but not with you.
Oct 19 00:29:38 <dawm> i had a perfect layout for the pre.. and now i need to resize/rearrange.. hate you hp
Oct 19 00:29:43 <Tibfib> halfhalo: eh, 4/10
Oct 19 00:29:54 <Tibfib> no, not even 4. like 1.5/10
Oct 19 00:31:39 <Tibfib> dawm: whatcha working on?
Oct 19 00:32:00 <dawm> not really working, since its been done for ages, but ailium a game
Oct 19 00:32:10 <dawm> more liek porting to the big screen
Oct 19 00:32:20 <Tibfib> heh, you sent me alphas a long time ago
Oct 19 00:32:21 <dawm> but after the 3.0.4 update.. html5 audio has latency..
Oct 19 00:32:58 <dawm> and id rather not continue the pdk version since i wanna do stuff w/ villo
Oct 19 00:33:04 <fxspec06> my project is out. it's a voogle goice app for the pad. webos world handles the goodies.
Oct 19 00:33:23 <fxspec06> like talking with people, because i am not very good at that.
Oct 19 00:33:26 <dawm> really.. a voogle goice
Oct 19 00:33:58 <dawm> anyone else see the flood of quake games in the catalog?
Oct 19 00:34:11 <dawm> theres like 3 of them and 1 heretic/hexen game
Oct 19 00:34:20 <dawm> they didnt even really do much changing
Oct 19 00:34:32 <wrea> fxspec06, same here. I hate talking to stupid people, which turns out to be a good portion of people
Oct 19 00:34:33 <dawm> same weapons, a few new textures, maybe new maps.. but totally lame
Oct 19 00:34:42 <Tibfib> sooo more 24 it is.
Oct 19 00:35:20 <fxspec06> =(
Oct 19 00:35:51 <fxspec06> it's not that i hate it. i'm just awful at it. like about as bad as it gets
Oct 19 00:35:56 <Tibfib> Koto is functional.
Oct 19 00:36:07 <Tibfib> bad at talking ot people?
Oct 19 00:36:09 <fxspec06> yizzah
Oct 19 00:36:54 <fxspec06> yeah. like marketing and speaking publically and generating attention and handling problems and making sure customers ar ehappy and feeling all good and smiley
Oct 19 00:36:55 <Tibfib> that's an overrated skill. it's not like we're going to talk to each other int he future.
Oct 19 00:37:06 <EricBlade> -wow- the lithium benchmark at 1.6ghz droppeddown to 91
Oct 19 00:37:13 <rwhitby> Tibfib: except on IRC ;)
Oct 19 00:37:45 <Tibfib> heh, right. so no human communication except through IRC. that's the future, folks! you heard it here first
Oct 19 00:38:01 <EricBlade> Tibfib: i'm used to that, that's how i was back in the early 90's
Oct 19 00:38:34 <Tibfib> hah
Oct 19 00:39:36 <dawm> screw the customers
Oct 19 00:39:43 <Tibfib> random thought: do we know who the releasemypre guy is?
Oct 19 00:39:45 <dawm> once you have their money, thats all you need
Oct 19 00:39:59 * Tibfib gets paid THURS
Oct 19 00:40:08 <dawm> i think i might get paid this month
Oct 19 00:40:15 <dawm> its been awhile so im sure im at 100 by now
Oct 19 00:41:24 <Tibfib> umm: "There were no sales of this app for August, 2011"
Oct 19 00:41:57 <fxspec06> i'm pretty sure i'll get paid this month. many thousands of pennies.
Oct 19 00:43:41 <Tibfib> crap.
Oct 19 00:43:52 <Tibfib> I forgot I have to do something in nomnomnom before releasing this update
Oct 19 00:44:04 <Tibfib> using the virtual carousel kinda killed portrait view
Oct 19 00:44:58 <Hendikins> GPS bug fixed? Has April 1 come early?
Oct 19 00:47:34 <ramitos> hi
Oct 19 00:47:47 <Tibfib> hai
Oct 19 00:48:27 <ramitos> is the webosroundup rumor true?? :-(
Oct 19 00:48:42 <Tibfib> ...
Oct 19 00:49:14 <Tibfib> hmm, how do you check orientation in enyo?
Oct 19 00:49:54 <dawm> with a ruler
Oct 19 00:50:31 <Tibfib> enyo.getWindowOrientation()
Oct 19 00:54:17 * DougReeder waves hello
Oct 19 00:54:30 <DougReeder> Anybody getting reports of problems with their apps under 3.0.4?
Oct 19 00:56:46 <Tibfib> not me, but I auto delete all email that has the keyword "nomnomnom"
Oct 19 00:57:13 * DougReeder smiles
Oct 19 00:58:12 <DougReeder> What about mail with only two "nom"s?
Oct 19 01:00:56 <Tibfib> ah, well with those I get slight pangs of guilt as I delete
Oct 19 01:01:05 * DougReeder smiles
Oct 19 01:02:15 <fxspec06> my app is noticably slower running under 3.0.4. it's also a mojo app =| i guess i should rewrite it. but that sounds like a lot of work. and time.
Oct 19 01:02:32 <PuffTheMagic> no way
Oct 19 01:02:36 <PuffTheMagic> enyo is so damn easy
Oct 19 01:02:41 <fxspec06> it really needs to be written in C
Oct 19 01:02:49 <fxspec06> but i don't know c yet
Oct 19 01:02:49 <PuffTheMagic> beware you will never want to write mojo again if u go enyo
Oct 19 01:02:50 <dawm> i dont use mojo nor enyo and its slower than 3.0.2
Oct 19 01:03:00 <PuffTheMagic> fxspec06, u dont want to use C
Oct 19 01:03:24 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: agreed
Oct 19 01:03:26 <dawm> i want to redoctor back to 3.0.2
Oct 19 01:03:39 <Tibfib> I really should make sure koto works on a pre3, but I have difficulty caring
Oct 19 01:03:45 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib, node services suck too though
Oct 19 01:03:45 <fxspec06> i mean it's a game. it doesn't use any mojo elements.. but it uses mojo transitions. and also mojo is terrible at loading dom elements.
Oct 19 01:03:51 <Tibfib> especially without a pre3.
Oct 19 01:03:51 <PuffTheMagic> anything using the lsbridge sucks
Oct 19 01:04:03 <fxspec06> c doesn't scare me. nothing scares me.
Oct 19 01:04:06 <summatusmentis> you definitely want to use C
Oct 19 01:04:08 <summatusmentis> C is awesome
Oct 19 01:04:13 <PuffTheMagic> sure use C
Oct 19 01:04:14 <summatusmentis> always and forever
Oct 19 01:04:16 <PuffTheMagic> outside of webos
Oct 19 01:04:16 <Tibfib> COME AT ME C
Oct 19 01:04:26 <PuffTheMagic> only use C/C++ if u are doing pure SDL
Oct 19 01:04:34 <PuffTheMagic> do NOT use C for plugins or services
Oct 19 01:04:35 <summatusmentis> ALWAYS and FOREVER
Oct 19 01:04:38 <summatusmentis> >_>
Oct 19 01:04:51 <PuffTheMagic> unless you just need fileio
Oct 19 01:04:56 <fxspec06> i just want to know what happened to A and B.
Oct 19 01:05:02 <dawm> wheres enyo wirc..
Oct 19 01:05:10 <fxspec06> i mean, sure, C is wicked awesome, but A and B have feelings too
Oct 19 01:05:14 <PuffTheMagic> if u are moving any serious data between C and webos or node and webos its SLOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 19 01:05:30 <PuffTheMagic> dawm, ask oil
Oct 19 01:05:31 <Tibfib> why is B afraid of C? because C D E!
Oct 19 01:05:39 <Tibfib> wait, that's not right.
Oct 19 01:05:43 <fxspec06> lol
Oct 19 01:06:17 <dawm> ugh
Oct 19 01:06:25 <dawm> car goes under the knife tomorrow :( poor thing
Oct 19 01:06:52 <fxspec06> =O but you were so proud of it's amazing rims that made it go super fast
Oct 19 01:07:03 <dawm> it went fast before the orange rims
Oct 19 01:08:18 <fxspec06> you should throw some stickers on there see if it fixes it
Oct 19 01:08:26 <Tibfib> no, it was definitely the rims
Oct 19 01:09:08 <Tibfib> aww, hp replaced the default spinner in 3.0.4
Oct 19 01:09:11 <Tibfib> I don't think it looks as good
Oct 19 01:09:14 <wrea> needs flames and blue led's to make it faster
Oct 19 01:09:32 <Tibfib> looks fine in catalog. not as nice in nomnomnom
Oct 19 01:10:40 <fxspec06> i used the onyx spinners in voogle xl
Oct 19 01:10:49 <DougReeder> PopupCalc works poorly on a Pre2 with the Enyo framework installed -- I wonder if there's a maximum height for system popup alerts?
Oct 19 01:10:50 <fxspec06> they go nicely with the dark theme
Oct 19 01:10:51 <ramitos> Tibfib: in dark backgrounds its beautiful ;-)
Oct 19 01:11:11 <Tibfib> nomnomnom has dark backgronds
Oct 19 01:11:14 <Tibfib> poop
Oct 19 01:11:19 <Tibfib> lion auto-correct, where are you
Oct 19 01:11:28 <dawm> fxspec06, ive got stickers :P
Oct 19 01:11:40 <dawm> and its not broke, its going in for recommended service (timing belt, oil pump, water pump..etc)
Oct 19 01:12:00 <Tibfib> just a checup
Oct 19 01:12:06 <Tibfib> BAH HUMBUG
Oct 19 01:12:07 <dawm> http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/255621_227155287314152_126885220674493_885959_747778_n.jpg
Oct 19 01:12:18 <dawm> a $970 checkup :|
Oct 19 01:12:41 <fxspec06> oh hush i'm sure you have no problem taking care of it
Oct 19 01:12:53 <dawm> the sole reason i got a credit card
Oct 19 01:12:58 <fxspec06> ;)
Oct 19 01:13:00 <dawm> for car service/repairs
Oct 19 01:13:24 <dawm> gonna hate doing the brakes when its time.. $900 for pads/rotors..
Oct 19 01:13:32 <dawm> freaking money pit
Oct 19 01:14:11 <dawm> strange..
Oct 19 01:14:12 <dawm> http://www.facebook.com/ajax/pagelet/generic.php/TimelinePhotosAndVideosOfMePagelet?data={%22scroll_load%22%3Atrue%2C%22last_fbid%22%3A1718828617933%2C%22fetch_size%22%3A56%2C%22profile_id%22%3A1048858191%2C%22tab_key%22%3A%22photos%22%2C%22sk%22%3A%22photos%22}
Oct 19 01:14:17 <dawm> thats a jacked up fb url
Oct 19 01:14:49 <fxspec06> i love encodeuricomponent(). aparently that does too
Oct 19 01:15:01 <dawm> lol
Oct 19 01:28:16 <PuffTheMagic> any of you see this crazyness http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113717-Quantum-Levitation-The-Coolest-Science-Youll-See-Today
Oct 19 01:29:37 <wrea> seen that done years ago. its pretty awesome
Oct 19 01:31:39 <fxspec06> okay. wild'n sounds are uhm very laggy after this update.
Oct 19 01:32:21 <fxspec06> i realize HP is no longer supporting Mojo, but making things worse is just. well. disappointing
Oct 19 01:37:00 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: I saw that before it was famous!
Oct 19 01:39:14 <dawm> http://www.jimcarreytrulife.com/video-post/word-play
Oct 19 01:42:59 <Tibfib> what the heck
Oct 19 01:43:19 <Tibfib> somehow I watched episode 23, instead of 1 of 24
Oct 19 01:43:47 <summatusmentis> nice job
Oct 19 01:44:08 <Tibfib> inorite
Oct 19 01:45:10 <klausa> What are you watching?
Oct 19 01:49:03 <Tibfib> 24
Oct 19 01:49:27 <summatusmentis> lol, wait, so you watched episode 23 of 24 of 24?
Oct 19 01:50:07 <klausa> I.. wait.
Oct 19 01:50:17 <klausa> Can someone sketch that for me?
Oct 19 01:53:25 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: correct sir
Oct 19 01:54:46 <Tibfib> I don't understand how I did that.
Oct 19 01:58:07 <wrea> Booted into windows for the first time in weeks and having a color corrected display is weird now
Oct 19 02:09:19 <dawm> stupid fruit ninja
Oct 19 02:09:39 <dawm> and twitter competitions between friends for who has the highest score..
Oct 19 02:09:53 <dawm> i freaking hate classic mode.. takes forever to get to the good scores
Oct 19 02:15:48 <dawm> HAHA I WIN
Oct 19 02:16:12 <dawm> 651
Oct 19 02:33:46 <dawm> fxspec06, told you.. html5 audio is lagged now.. just like on the phones
Oct 19 02:51:15 <fxspec06> it's awful
Oct 19 02:52:04 <fxspec06> it's not just html5 performance problems. it's the whole thing performance problems.
Oct 19 02:53:50 <dawm> amazon got a facelift?
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