**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 25 02:59:57 2011 Oct 25 03:44:46 quiet in here Oct 25 03:50:50 anyone seen hotdp today? Oct 25 04:19:53 weird.... my mother sent me a link to an article about "must have" apps for travel. And here I am expecting 0/7 to be on webos Oct 25 04:20:36 and halfish... yelp, evernote, [kindle], [skype]... we have! Oct 25 04:20:39 hey, today you just got Kayak Oct 25 04:21:07 saw that this morning, didn't get a chance to dl or try it Oct 25 04:22:17 at least on my pre2 & 3, kayak's mobile site is relatively decent, at least for flights (which is all I've used it for) Oct 25 04:23:40 ya, only used the website on a pc for flights Oct 25 04:31:14 * DougReeder waves hello Oct 25 04:39:46 * dwc- waves Oct 25 04:59:02 wrea: ping Oct 25 04:59:15 or, nevermind Oct 25 07:02:21 hi Oct 25 07:13:25 hi Oct 25 15:23:57 hmmm... tsting playon... Oct 25 16:09:57 HattCzech_tp: tried to spot you at Stubb's last night, but failed Oct 25 16:10:23 yeah, I didn't stay too long Oct 25 16:10:57 you at senchacon, or just meeting up? Oct 25 16:11:22 I've been trying to find hotel, but haven't seen him on Oct 25 16:12:11 any indication on when Sencha Touch 2.0 will be .. production release? Oct 25 16:12:13 hotdp* Oct 25 16:12:31 HattCzech_tp: I just me up with hotdp for bbq Oct 25 16:12:36 they haven't really said Oct 25 16:12:53 but I've got a raging toothache/sinus infection so I didn't stay very long Oct 25 16:13:32 working thru annoying issues in 1.1 and its always nice to dream the next version just fixes all that. Oct 25 16:13:52 I have no idea what he looks like, so hard to find him in this crowd Oct 25 16:14:09 performance appears to be a lot better Oct 25 16:14:25 in a seminar on that right now Oct 25 16:15:53 nice. right now my perf is ok, except for when switching to a panel w/ a grouped list - slow to swap in and out. Oct 25 16:16:42 I've got performance issues, but the major ones seem to be addressed Oct 25 16:16:43 startup time is also poor, but I likely create way to many things on init Oct 25 16:17:36 tried building my own sencha-touch.js file, but only shaved off like 10% of the file size Oct 25 16:17:39 that should be better from what I hear/ have seen Oct 25 16:18:44 takes like a second and a half to parse still on a 3GS Oct 25 16:18:56 they'll be making it more modular like they did with extjs Oct 25 16:19:55 sounds like you need a 4S ;-) Oct 25 16:19:56 4S though -- like night and day. so much better Oct 25 16:20:18 heheh Oct 25 16:20:22 ya, have one for testing. but cant exactly give all my users a free 4S with their $10 app. :) Oct 25 16:20:33 valid point Oct 25 16:21:06 mostly iOS users for you? Oct 25 16:21:19 right now, who knows. its a new product. Oct 25 16:21:34 will be iOS and Android to start, maybe port to others Oct 25 16:21:57 http://www.jestalabs.com/products3.html Oct 25 16:22:58 framerate improvements on android Oct 25 16:23:42 ya, though not looking forward to adapting to all the screen resolutions. Oct 25 16:24:07 in some ways would have been better to start on android Oct 25 16:24:57 questionable :-) Oct 25 16:25:10 I did that for mine, and there are some problems Oct 25 16:27:47 android is much touchier than ios Oct 25 16:27:50 anything in particular to be aware of when porting to android? Oct 25 16:28:02 other than .. dealing with variety of resolutions and I guess lists are slower? Oct 25 16:29:38 lists are slower, animations (pop-ups and alerts) are very laggy, and there are odd issues I've experienced with text boxes typing backwards Oct 25 16:29:56 hm Oct 25 16:31:09 hmmm indeed Oct 25 16:31:28 I'm going to be asking about the text box thing when I can Oct 25 16:32:07 just realized that localStorage is 2.x only. So Enyo on 1.4.5, but not my app. *sigh* Oct 25 16:37:08 rwatkins: just fyi, in my 940-wide browser, your "team" page doesn't render your profile correctly Oct 25 16:37:34 dwc-: ya, theres alot of things wrong with that site. it scales poorly in a number of ways Oct 25 16:54:46 sugardav1: still here? Oct 25 16:57:10 anyone here? want to make sure I'm still connected Oct 25 16:57:55 im here Oct 25 16:59:05 alive Oct 25 19:04:57 http://i.imgur.com/Q3FM8.png - is this normal? Oct 25 19:05:07 the whole month Oct 25 19:19:01 akanster: normally i would say that is not normal, but we are talking about webos Oct 25 19:19:26 :( Oct 25 19:19:58 =| Oct 25 19:20:13 i think that would warrant an e-mail to PDC Oct 25 19:20:49 heh, I emailed them last night about something else Oct 25 19:21:17 well they should remember your name very well then! Oct 25 19:21:34 lol Oct 25 19:21:48 i'll shoot them another email. we'll see Oct 25 19:22:08 they as in, the few people that respond to emails (i.e. chuq) Oct 25 19:27:47 http://www.rockstargames.com/ <<< YES! Oct 25 19:40:33 hi Oct 25 19:55:43 does anyone have a pack of the best touchpad .ipk's? Oct 25 19:56:36 As in pirating? Oct 25 19:57:08 wrea, I just know sometimes people package the best in a folder or something Oct 25 19:57:13 I know they do it for .apks for android Oct 25 19:57:28 but a google search didn't lead me to any .ipk zips Oct 25 19:57:56 Sounds like you want pirated apps, which isnt allowed to be discussed here Oct 25 19:58:15 If you want the free apps, just go get them in the catalog. Oct 25 19:58:41 wrea, okay Oct 25 19:58:46 I wasn't asking about pirated apps Oct 25 19:58:57 sorry if I wasn't clear Oct 25 19:58:59 sc30317: there are many free apps in the catalog, there is also a great homebrew community and the PreWare app where there are a LOT of free apps and patches Oct 25 19:59:10 sugardave, I downloaded preware Oct 25 19:59:19 there is only one repo of "official" apps and that is the app catalog Oct 25 19:59:38 what are some of the most important touchpad apps in the official store and preware? I'm not finding many that are useful / good Oct 25 20:00:51 sc30317: I guess it depends on what kinds of apps you want to have Oct 25 20:01:18 there's an audubon society mushroom hunters app that's pretty cool Oct 25 20:01:42 right now, the only important ones I have are Angry Birds, Uberkernel, Internalz Pro, AlienRed, wIRC, pReader, USA todayt, Epicurious, and the HP moviestore Oct 25 20:02:04 the audubon society app isn't helpful in my productivity / fun though :) Oct 25 20:02:57 hmmm, there's paper mache, an instapaper client, there's Spaz, a twitter/identi.ca client Oct 25 20:03:04 lots of apps Oct 25 20:03:44 I think there are a few UPnP browsers for streaming media Oct 25 20:03:50 I dev all of the time, so I'm a horrible user :D Oct 25 20:05:09 sugardave, understood; software engineer here by trade Oct 25 20:17:32 any apps to use my pixi+ as an external bt gps for touchpad? Oct 25 20:17:50 like pre go except 1.4.5.1? Oct 25 20:27:39 wanna use it with my cm7 running touchpad Oct 25 20:52:47 wow wtf there's a 16gig wifi touchpad on ebay for 850 Oct 25 20:53:01 oh, it's 4 of them Oct 25 20:53:46 because you know, most people buy their touchpads in groups of 4 Oct 25 20:53:53 * halfhalo does Oct 25 20:54:17 if i could get them at 99 again, i'd get 4 more Oct 25 20:54:22 at least Oct 25 20:57:54 5+ Oct 25 20:58:08 with android, it's great Oct 25 20:58:20 ... Oct 25 20:58:50 I love webos too Oct 25 20:58:59 but android honestly has more support Oct 25 20:59:57 dangit Oct 25 21:00:16 how do you get past the sim screen in a webOS phone? Oct 25 21:00:42 I would also like to know this Oct 25 21:00:51 oh wait Oct 25 21:00:55 metadoctor? Oct 25 21:00:59 I can just put in a random sim can't I? Oct 25 21:01:05 even if it isn't activated Oct 25 21:01:11 ##DEVMODE## or the like. some of those # may in fact be a * Oct 25 21:01:20 ^ Oct 25 21:01:29 Tibfib_: why are you asking noob questions? :) Oct 25 21:02:53 oh yeaaaahhh Oct 25 21:03:17 * summatusmentis read that in the Kool-Aid voice Oct 25 21:03:18 except the numpad isn't even shoing up Oct 25 21:03:39 keyboard? Oct 25 21:03:40 or showing up Oct 25 21:05:04 how many of you are still actively developing? Oct 25 21:05:20 webOS Oct 25 21:05:29 ummm, I've slowed done Oct 25 21:05:32 DANGIT Oct 25 21:05:41 … slowed down. but I haven't stopped Oct 25 21:07:07 I never started Oct 25 21:07:10 thus, I can't quit Oct 25 21:07:45 just submitted new version to app catalog and a new one to Beta. Oct 25 21:08:58 * haeffb has slowed to an imperceptible crawl Oct 25 21:09:06 sugardave: good pick there with you app selection :) Oct 25 21:09:14 agreed Oct 25 21:09:21 I started a number of times, but I've never finished anything Oct 25 21:09:27 except for something rhyming with domdomdom was missing Oct 25 21:09:36 I totally left people out... Oct 25 21:09:40 dongdongdong? Oct 25 21:09:43 I love lomlomlom. great for managing servers. Oct 25 21:09:43 sc30317: there's also Koto, PondNotes Oct 25 21:09:56 sc30317: basically anything that anybody in here did Oct 25 21:10:12 hmmm, putting in a random sim didn't work Oct 25 21:10:21 ummm...I can't remember everyone's apps Oct 25 21:10:41 #*DEVMODE# Oct 25 21:11:03 got it Oct 25 21:11:09 Tibfib_: oh yeah, NomNomNom...I am way too busy to use it! Oct 25 21:11:10 not everyones apps, just the best one. :) Oct 25 21:11:11 sugardave, koto isn't in the appstore Oct 25 21:11:28 sc30317: koto is for phones Oct 25 21:11:45 soo, the pre3 is gorgeous Oct 25 21:11:45 ohhhh, no EnKoyoto? Oct 25 21:11:51 not … yet Oct 25 21:11:54 If I ever get to it Oct 25 21:12:02 I read that as "In Kyoto" Oct 25 21:12:09 Tibfib_: just got a Pre3? Oct 25 21:12:10 Tibfib_: no, don't say that Oct 25 21:12:14 I just got a pre2 Oct 25 21:12:22 rwatkins: yeah Oct 25 21:12:22 I can't switch to another dead-end webOS phone Oct 25 21:12:28 sweet. ya, its beautiful Oct 25 21:12:36 ooh, Chrome v15 got some shinny! Oct 25 21:12:49 we're on chrome v15?!? Oct 25 21:12:53 dang Oct 25 21:13:05 yeah, just pushed out today i think Oct 25 21:13:08 * dwc- apparently is but had no idea Oct 25 21:13:15 15.0.874.54 beta Oct 25 21:13:34 so, any Enyo apps in teh catalog for 2.0/2.1 yet? Oct 25 21:13:35 * dwc- , in contrast, is only on FF 3.6.23 Oct 25 21:13:41 geez Oct 25 21:13:49 rwatkins: Bing >_> Oct 25 21:14:20 summatusmentis: does samsung have bing on their platform? Oct 25 21:14:24 summatusmentis: ha ha. ok. any *3rd party* Enyo apps in the catalog for 1.4.5/2.0/2.1 yet? Oct 25 21:14:54 dwc-: what? I have no idea Oct 25 21:15:05 bada bing! Oct 25 21:15:13 +1 Oct 25 21:15:15 you caught me Oct 25 21:15:38 lol Oct 25 21:15:40 dwc-: I was thinking "android? I doubt it" Oct 25 21:16:09 Oct 25 21:16:15 vzw samsung fascinate forces bing on you Oct 25 21:16:19 is there a patch for touchplayer to increase the volume Oct 25 21:16:50 * rwatkins just put Paper Mache in Enyo for Pre+/Pre2/Veer in the Beta catalog. Oct 25 21:17:32 I don't hink they've officially said whether or not they're accepting 1.x/2.x enyo apps Oct 25 21:17:33 whisked right thru automated review, so we'll see if it shows up w/ "For TouchPad" or not. Oct 25 21:17:43 hmmm, is there no patch to sign into a profile on an unactivated device? Oct 25 21:17:46 there was for my pre2 Oct 25 21:17:49 dunno if it has been updated Oct 25 21:18:00 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=net.ryanwatkins.app.papermache.beta Oct 25 21:18:06 that would be impostah Oct 25 21:18:25 are you sure? I didn't think it was... Oct 25 21:18:52 I believe I've read there was a patch for webos 1.4.5, but that it isn't needed in 2.x? Oct 25 21:18:57 but that all was before my time Oct 25 21:19:25 rwatkins: how much automated review do the beta feeds get? Oct 25 21:19:30 oh impostah might be it Oct 25 21:20:20 dwc-: not much. But atleast if it gets thru there, its unlikely to be automatically blocked for a non-beta submission. Oct 25 21:20:36 so unless a reviewer says "no" it should make it to the regular catalog too. Oct 25 21:24:22 hmmm, how do I fake a profile restore Oct 25 21:24:36 ie, add my accounts, dl my apps Oct 25 21:25:12 that, I don't know Oct 25 21:25:19 rwhitby: ping Oct 25 21:27:18 is there a patch for touchplayer to increase the volume Oct 25 21:27:27 apphack submitted! thx for the help sugardave Oct 25 21:49:00 smart office and a dozen or so other apps just got loaded to the catalog Oct 25 22:07:44 oh gosh, 3.0.4 made nomnomnom completely unusable Oct 25 22:09:16 I want to to develop for webOS, but goodness... Oct 25 22:16:15 Everyone stop what you're doing. The McRib is back! Oct 25 22:24:56 never had one Oct 25 22:25:11 akanster: serious?!?!?!?!? Oct 25 22:26:00 well, that's f'in interesting. on webos 3, whenever you card an app, all of it's popups get a close() call. on webos 2, they don't. Oct 25 22:40:50 I cant send an mms without data? Oct 25 22:41:29 I believe so Oct 25 22:42:11 Any other way? Oct 25 22:45:25 build a txt to mms gateway and then send txt's with base64 encoded pics to it? Oct 25 22:46:54 build an email to mms gateway and send it over wifi? Oct 25 22:47:05 Tibfib_, hp needs to update bing maps to not suck while they fix your issue Oct 25 22:47:15 i dont know how a map search could be so bad Oct 25 22:47:47 is it worse than what's on the regular webpage map search? Oct 25 22:49:25 well when gmaps actually loaded and showed a ui, search worked well Oct 25 22:49:31 bing cant find shit Oct 25 22:49:36 and if it does, its in the wrong state Oct 25 22:50:30 well, I'm wondering if it's the app or the data source Oct 25 22:54:21 Tibfib_: pong Oct 25 23:14:48 anyone happen to be able to think of any reason why my enyo app would suddenly come up with an empty white display on Pre3 at startup, until you touch the screen, and then it all appears normal, except that the App Menu doesn't work? Oct 25 23:19:22 prolly a syntax error somewhere Oct 25 23:31:03 dwc-, you pick your free app yet? Oct 25 23:34:48 I think i'm going to get flickr mundo Oct 25 23:37:57 dawm: someone with an actual device says he's not getting a white screen, he's getting "an image of whatever program i was looking at before" Oct 25 23:40:45 oh my. it's a css block that's causing it Oct 25 23:46:30 apaprently something about a background image was blowing it up. weird. Oct 25 23:49:07 Tibfib_: I've been assuming that it was just me, and my dirty screen that was causing NomNomNom to freak out Oct 26 00:23:14 wrea: no, have you? Oct 26 00:23:34 lemme know if they just send an appredirect url with a promocode in it or what Oct 26 00:24:19 Yeah, I decided on flickr mundo and yes, its an appdirect Oct 26 00:26:15 hmm, so I probably don't need to relocate my veer Oct 26 00:26:25 the promocode should just work on the other device/account Oct 26 00:26:34 Yeah Oct 26 00:29:09 awesome Oct 26 00:33:50 :) Oct 26 00:35:59 rwhitby: so on my pre2, I was able to log into my profile without activating the device, it was some patch by arthur thornton(?). I can't find a similar patch on my pre3. I dl'd impostah and used it to log in, however I need to initiate the "login" so the phone will download all my apps and so forth Oct 26 00:36:27 summatusmentis: yeah, it's bad Oct 26 00:36:31 I've gotten multiple emails. Oct 26 00:37:48 rwhitby: thursday I'll have a SIM to activate it so I was just going to wait until then. Oct 26 00:38:31 bbl Oct 26 00:42:59 Tibfib_: you can go into impostah, and reset the palm profile and reboot and wifi will still be active to do the normal login process Oct 26 00:49:23 Tibfib_: hurry up and finish enkotoyo Oct 26 00:49:59 * DougReeder waves hello Oct 26 00:50:33 * akanster throws his old pre at DougReeder Oct 26 00:50:44 * DougReeder ducks Oct 26 00:51:07 What was that about? Oct 26 00:52:17 if it's an old Sprint Pre-, ka6sox can use it Oct 26 00:52:40 Making Frankenpres? Oct 26 00:53:10 yep Oct 26 00:53:36 Can't spare mine yet, still need it to verify my app passes automatic tests on 1.4.5. Oct 26 00:54:02 does he just need the comms board? Oct 26 00:54:07 ... and I'm actually bringing out a feature that works on all devices, including old Pres. Oct 26 00:54:11 I've got one that has a cracked screen and no batt cover Oct 26 00:56:17 summatusmentis, yep, I can use it. Oct 26 00:56:32 hrm Oct 26 00:56:49 * summatusmentis ponders best way to get it to you Oct 26 00:57:14 fly it over on your private Concorde and hand deliver it? Oct 26 00:57:22 (j/k) Oct 26 00:57:31 hah, right :) Oct 26 00:57:43 I can hijack the concorde up in seattle Oct 26 00:57:51 you know, UMN gives all their CS grad students private Concordes Oct 26 00:58:00 summatusmentis, coming from where? Oct 26 00:58:04 MN Oct 26 00:58:12 that explains why tuition is so high Oct 26 00:58:14 MSP, more specifically Oct 26 00:59:13 run over to Thief River falls and catch the truck with my Digikey order and slip it in the box? Oct 26 00:59:28 haha, that's a long ways away Oct 26 00:59:35 yup Oct 26 00:59:42 j/k Oct 26 01:00:32 Slap a label on it that say "put me back in running water, I am Paddle-to-the-Sea", and throw it in Lake Superior? Oct 26 01:02:48 USPS is the probably the cheapest way for international, from my experience anyway Oct 26 01:03:10 it is Oct 26 01:03:21 I've only shipped to AUS and CAD Oct 26 01:03:24 this isn't international Oct 26 01:03:25 almost half the price as UPS in some cases Oct 26 01:03:31 so no big in my case Oct 26 01:03:48 but UPS & FedEx have the end to end package handling. Oct 26 01:04:32 I saw Concorde, which I thought instantly as international. So just ignore me :P Oct 26 01:04:44 USPS does end to end tracking for AU EMI packages Oct 26 01:11:12 USPS to AU is by far cheapest Oct 26 01:12:52 Yeah Oct 26 01:12:56 rwhitby: really? don't they just hand it your the local postal service? Oct 26 01:13:04 -your Oct 26 01:15:11 usps do yeah Oct 26 01:15:26 same with EMS packages Oct 26 01:25:49 USPS hands it over to Australia Post, but the tracking continues. Oct 26 01:26:16 so you can track it door to door on the USPS web site. Oct 26 01:26:31 and can give the USPS number to Australia Post to check on it locally too Oct 26 01:34:20 Tibfib_: you should turn off autocorrect / autocapitalize in the Nomnomnom Login inputs Oct 26 01:36:39 also, in life Oct 26 01:36:46 life doesn't need autocorrect Oct 26 01:37:27 Life needs Tivo 8 second skip back Oct 26 02:04:18 when the android community overclocks they just show benchmarks Oct 26 02:04:29 when you guys overclock you show tangible improvements to the user experience :( Oct 26 02:04:50 yeah.. Oct 26 02:05:31 sadly I think overclocking a pre 3 won't help much. it seems a ram issue more than anything Oct 26 02:06:10 yep, Pre 3 is limited by RAM Oct 26 02:06:38 I'm trying to see if OCing a nexus will make the lag demons go away Oct 26 02:06:44 probably not. Oct 26 02:06:51 hardware acceleratiooooooon Oct 26 02:09:34 I wish WP9 was out :P Oct 26 02:10:28 windows phone 9? Oct 26 02:13:54 yeah ;p Oct 26 02:14:39 I don't care about the social features of WP7.5 at all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 26 02:59:57 2011