**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 28 02:59:57 2011
Oct 28 03:14:06 * DougReeder waves hello
Oct 28 03:14:45 <DougReeder> Anybody working on a submission for this weeks's App Hack?
Oct 28 05:40:51 <LoneStar> where do messages go via console.log()?
Oct 28 05:44:39 <PuffTheMagic> syslog
Oct 28 05:46:38 <LoneStar> can be read by logread?
Oct 28 05:46:57 <PuffTheMagic> no idea what that is
Oct 28 06:07:07 <LoneStar> then how to read syslog?
Oct 28 06:23:24 <gDD> I'm confused about palm-install, ipkg, ipkg-opt, and Preware
Oct 28 06:23:45 <rwhitby> read http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware
Oct 28 06:25:43 <gDD> I installed Optware Bootstrap(id: org.webosinternals.optware) in Preware, now how do i remove it via command line?
Oct 28 06:26:17 <rwhitby> you don't, you remove it via Preware
Oct 28 06:26:24 <gDD> rwhitby: i read this before, this part not confused me
Oct 28 06:27:31 <gDD> rwhitby: OMG... so Preware have nothing to do with command line or ipkg, ipgk-opt?
Oct 28 06:28:19 <rwhitby> preware calls none of those directly, however what it does call uses ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps under the hood (plus a whole lot of other stuff)
Oct 28 06:30:28 <gDD> rwhitby: thank you! after done ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list, i understand everything now:)
Oct 28 06:30:56 <rwhitby> three separate areas
Oct 28 07:00:22 <panel> hi
Oct 28 15:35:59 * halfhalo yawns
Oct 28 16:15:12 <akanster> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/28/hp-psg-keep-webos-kill?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487 :(
Oct 28 16:16:14 <rwatkins> waiting for the axe to fall
Oct 28 16:17:30 <rwatkins> would be nice to get an os release that fixes the 'all websql hangs' before its gone
Oct 28 16:28:59 <roy-pre101> rwhitby: You around, Rod?
Oct 28 16:51:46 <dwc-> mmm rumors
Oct 28 17:05:33 <roy-pre101> Grr…  3G not coming up on franken-pre-2
Oct 28 18:23:00 <fxspec06> WOO 8gb ram is here.
Oct 28 18:26:49 <halfhalo> nice
Oct 28 18:26:55 * halfhalo pets his 16 in his desktop
Oct 28 18:30:30 <Simpson_2> is the eclipse plugin suitable for creating enyo apps ?
Oct 28 18:30:48 <rwatkins> so, who runs 'iswebosdeadyet.com' ?
Oct 28 18:30:51 <halfhalo> http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3598368 hmmmmm
Oct 28 18:31:00 <rwatkins> should get it changed to 'coming soon'
Oct 28 18:33:34 <hotdp> http://www.iswebosdeadyet.com/ is good fun
Oct 28 18:34:22 <rwatkins> <center><H1>NO</center></H1>
Oct 28 18:34:30 <rwatkins> thats some quality html there.  :)
Oct 28 18:35:16 <hotdp> hehe
Oct 28 18:35:23 <hotdp> I hoped for some advanced JS
Oct 28 18:35:40 <hotdp> that calculated all kind of stuff
Oct 28 18:35:46 <rwatkins> enyo-ize it
Oct 28 18:36:04 <hotdp> Any one know some one who switched from webos to ios?
Oct 28 18:36:15 <Khaytsus> <blink><bold>YES<strike>NO</strike></bold></blink>
Oct 28 18:36:26 * Khaytsus runs
Oct 28 18:36:30 <hotdp> blink..
Oct 28 18:36:35 * Khaytsus blinks
Oct 28 18:37:10 <hotdp> "<BLINK> was once reviled as the most obnoxious tag in HTML. Now it's mostly forgotten. MSIE does not even support <BLINK> anymore."
Oct 28 18:42:04 <Khaytsus> No, I disagree.  Marque is much more annoying.
Oct 28 18:46:31 <wrea> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/28/hp-psg-keep-webos-kill
Oct 28 18:49:05 <Simpson_2> hmm how do I minimize a card in the touchpad emulator !?
Oct 28 18:49:54 <fxspec06> PgUp
Oct 28 18:50:26 <Simpson_2> hmm not really :(
Oct 28 18:51:48 <Khaytsus> Simpson_2: What exactly are you wanting to do?
Oct 28 18:51:56 <Khaytsus> Go from full screen app back to launcher?
Oct 28 18:52:10 <Simpson_2> yup, as I started a app from eclipse which just sits there
Oct 28 18:52:37 <Khaytsus> Maybe it's locked up?  Dunno beyond that, ahem
Oct 28 18:53:21 <fxspec06> PgUp + PgUp goes from in - app to launcher
Oct 28 18:53:44 <fxspec06> if it's locked, relaunch
Oct 28 18:53:56 <fxspec06> if that doesn't work, launch a diff app
Oct 28 18:54:00 <fxspec06> (from eclipse obv)
Oct 28 18:54:12 <fxspec06> that will un-freeze it. and if it doesn't, then reboot the emulator
Oct 28 18:55:57 <Freman> what was the deal shipping an emulator that required a google search to find out how to get out of aps?
Oct 28 18:56:41 <Freman> aww sad news... I dun care about the jobs but please don't sacrafice webos :(
Oct 28 18:57:10 <Freman> nah ok, I care about the jobs, I hope they're all re-shuffled nicely or have a nice enough profile now that better places will hire them
Oct 28 18:57:46 <Freman> "continued combination of HP and its Personal Systems Group [is] expected to deliver greater customer and shareholder value". - you want better value, hire cheaper CEO's
Oct 28 18:58:29 <fxspec06> http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/the-guardian-hp-shutdown-of-webos-division-said-to-be-imminent/
Oct 28 18:59:30 <wrea> so my link wasnt good enough? ;P
Oct 28 19:00:04 <fxspec06> oh well i came afterwards. i was busy feeding my deskLaptop
Oct 28 19:01:03 <fxspec06> all i have to say. is. long live the weeboss!
Oct 28 19:04:31 <Simpson_2> any1 has a nice pointer on using eclipse for enyou development ?
Oct 28 19:18:51 <rwatkins> new free apps
Oct 28 19:22:08 <Khaytsus> And already used up
Oct 28 19:22:14 <Khaytsus> (kidding..  sorta)
Oct 28 19:28:44 <CTLAdvance> if you haven't seen it there are codes
Oct 28 19:28:58 <CTLAdvance> free apps as in free beer
Oct 28 19:29:58 <CTLAdvance> smart office is very good
Oct 28 19:30:35 <fxspec06> new apps
Oct 28 19:30:41 <fxspec06> ugh. i'm late
Oct 28 19:31:04 <fxspec06> and the smart office code is poof
Oct 28 19:31:20 <summatusmentis> yeah, that was the only one I cared about :-/
Oct 28 19:31:33 <dwc-> smartoffice was the only one I wanted
Oct 28 19:31:36 <dwc-> and it was gone by 12:17
Oct 28 19:31:46 <fxspec06> smart office was the only one i wanted =(
Oct 28 19:31:48 <dwc-> all of 16 minutes after the email was sent
Oct 28 19:31:59 <fxspec06> i only got the email just now
Oct 28 19:32:01 <dwc-> damn slickdealers
Oct 28 19:32:13 <dwc-> well, I'm basing the date on
Oct 28 19:32:13 <dwc-> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:01:11 -0400 (EDT)
Oct 28 19:32:22 <dwc-> I got it at... Delivery-date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:02:43 -0700
Oct 28 19:34:25 <CTLAdvance> I must have just got it in time
Oct 28 19:34:26 <hotdp> have someone switced from ios ?
Oct 28 19:34:44 <CTLAdvance> who
Oct 28 19:35:42 <CTLAdvance> hollos
Oct 28 19:36:04 <CTLAdvance> Halloween pumpkin is neat, my son will like this
Oct 28 19:37:03 <wrea> damn it, no smart office for me
Oct 28 19:38:37 <CTLAdvance> this is actually nicer than Quickoffice I think
Oct 28 19:38:48 <CTLAdvance> aside from the fact that it creates di
Oct 28 19:38:53 <CTLAdvance> more doc types
Oct 28 19:41:10 <HattCzech_work> barely missed smart office
Oct 28 19:41:26 <HattCzech_work> unfortunate
Oct 28 19:44:54 <Shadyman> free apps? where?
Oct 28 19:45:09 <Khaytsus> HP's blog as usual I'm sure
Oct 28 19:45:54 <Shadyman> Not really. http://blog.palm.com/
Oct 28 19:46:03 <CTLAdvance> someone prob posted it to deals or something
Oct 28 19:46:15 <rwatkins> newsletter
Oct 28 19:46:23 <CTLAdvance> they come vis newslettet
Oct 28 19:46:27 <CTLAdvance> yep
Oct 28 19:46:31 <Shadyman> bah
Oct 28 19:46:35 <Shadyman> my email server is down :(
Oct 28 19:46:49 <rwatkins> what Im waiting for on teh blog is the announcement about this weeks App Hack results
Oct 28 19:46:53 <Shadyman> oh there it goes
Oct 28 19:47:58 <Shadyman> 1/16 emails. Sigh
Oct 28 19:48:07 <Shadyman> Okay, who sent me a 100MB slideshow?
Oct 28 19:48:15 <Shadyman> not funny.
Oct 28 19:51:58 <Shadyman> was there a code for Canada?
Oct 28 20:03:59 <dwc-> dunno, but these things die too fast. stupid slickdeals
Oct 28 20:05:36 <Shadyman> Oh. Yeah. http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3476170
Oct 28 20:05:39 <Shadyman> stupid slickdeals
Oct 28 20:05:49 <Shadyman> if people want the codes, they can sign up to the newsletter.
Oct 28 20:06:18 <rwatkins> not suprised to see a big overlap between the people that watch slick deals and bought a $99 tablet.
Oct 28 20:09:11 <dwc-> and love free apps?
Oct 28 20:09:28 <summatusmentis> but honestly? who doesn't love free apps?
Oct 28 20:09:57 <dwc-> well, I didn't get the ones I didn't want
Oct 28 20:10:04 <dwc-> I don't tumblr, e.g.
Oct 28 20:10:48 <Shadyman> my pop3 server is still dishing out my 18 incoming emails at a rate of one every 20 minutes
Oct 28 20:11:01 <Shadyman> nerdrage
Oct 28 20:11:23 <Shadyman> but I'm going to assume that if there were canadian codes to be had, they'd be on the slickdeals post too
Oct 28 20:11:41 <dwc-> I don't know... I'm only subscribed to the US one
Oct 28 20:12:12 <dwc-> and I got the email 10min before smartoffice ran out, but I was in a meeting and couldn't very well just up and leave to go get my touchpad
Oct 28 20:12:23 <Shadyman> dwc-: That's why you should bring your TP *everywhere*
Oct 28 20:12:25 <Shadyman> amirite?
Oct 28 20:12:33 <Shadyman> ;)
Oct 28 20:12:38 <Shadyman> Anyways, worktime. later!
Oct 28 20:12:42 <dwc-> apparently!
Oct 28 20:12:53 * Shadyman puts on his wizard robe and hat
Oct 28 20:13:04 <dwc-> ... that's an interesting job
Oct 28 20:13:29 <Shadyman> Well, it's more interesting than /me puts on his hp polo and "HP representative" lanyard
Oct 28 20:14:03 <Shadyman> Time to go play retail salesperson!
Oct 28 20:14:07 <Shadyman> yay
Oct 28 20:14:07 <HattCzech_work> i want codes, but the newsletters never come to me
Oct 28 20:14:17 <Shadyman> HattCzech_work: You need to sign up for them :)
Oct 28 20:14:20 <HattCzech_work> (which means i usually rely on slickdeals :/)
Oct 28 20:14:27 <HattCzech_work> Shadyman: i have, 3+ times
Oct 28 20:14:32 <Shadyman> Interesting.
Oct 28 20:14:49 <Shadyman> (And don't get me wrong, I love my job :P)
Oct 28 20:15:24 <Shadyman> later
Oct 28 20:15:33 <HattCzech_work> i got the sound one, but not the smart office app :/
Oct 28 20:16:42 <dwc-> I dunno how it works, I just started getting them from the beginning
Oct 28 20:16:54 <dwc-> my toher palm profile accounts don't get it though
Oct 28 20:17:51 <dwc-> I think you'd probably be better off if it wasn't on slickdeals... you'd get it later, but you'd hear about it on irc or twitter or precentral
Oct 28 20:18:02 <dwc-> but at least they wouldn't be used up in 12 minutes
Oct 28 20:18:24 <dwc-> and all the new touchpad people probably wouldn't
Oct 28 20:19:14 <HattCzech_work> true
Oct 28 20:19:22 <HattCzech_work> IF they would send me the e-mails :)
Oct 28 20:19:36 <dwc-> e.g. precentral had codes for halloween artist last night
Oct 28 20:19:41 <HattCzech_work> (or if i'm constantly in here... oh wait... i am) :)
Oct 28 20:19:48 <dwc-> they probably had less than the newsletter
Oct 28 20:19:58 <dwc-> and theirs lasted at least a half hour ;)
Oct 28 20:24:46 <wrea> my gf is having fum with halloween artist
Oct 28 20:38:23 <dwc-> MINNEAPOLIS, Oct. 28, 2011 - Best Buy (NYSE: BBY) today announced that beginning Tuesday, Nov. 1, customers can get the HP TouchPad for the low, low price of $149.99 with the purchase of an HP or Compaq Laptop, Desktop or All-in-One computer1. Customers can take advantage of this deal online at BestBuy.com, and at all Best Buy and Best Buy Mobile standalone stores nationwide.
Oct 28 20:38:31 <dwc-> that's one way to drive sales
Oct 28 20:39:19 <EricBlade> what?
Oct 28 20:39:56 <EricBlade> o.O
Oct 28 20:43:03 <rwatkins> hm
Oct 28 20:43:58 * EricBlade can't decide if this is a good sign, a bad sign, or a completely irrelevant sign
Oct 28 20:44:32 <HattCzech_work> so if you buy a laptop, get the touchpad, can you return the laptop? :)
Oct 28 20:44:38 <ajay> hey oh!
Oct 28 20:45:04 <ajay> man why won't hp mail me these damned app newsletters?!  jeepers.. ;^)  (Smart office woulda been fun!)
Oct 28 20:45:22 <ajay> Hey I was wondering -- unlocking a phone bears no relation to activation, right?
Oct 28 20:46:37 <ajay> or more specifically, hitting the english and okay to accept appcat agreement doesn't lock the phone to that sim/carrier I hope/assume, that happens when one logs into their webOS acct (right?)
Oct 28 20:47:16 <rwatkins> i wonder how many of those they have to sell @ Best Buy
Oct 28 20:48:11 <ajay> dwc-: you here?
Oct 28 20:50:21 <ajay> hey any pre3 folks in here?  skype definitely hates my phone, does it work for the rest of ya'll?
Oct 28 20:53:25 <Tibfib_> haven't tried it
Oct 28 20:54:36 <ajay> HattCzech_work: you get touchpads for buying laptops now?  wow.. best buy at least is pretty darn meticulous about making sure you don't get anything extra! :)
Oct 28 21:01:09 <ajay> oh darn where'd i put that VzPre3 sim card.. (it seems funny to me that this phone's sim gets used to perform unlocks more than anything else! :)
Oct 28 21:02:35 <rwatkins> skype for IM on the pre3, or is there a Skype audio app on the VZW Pre3 as well?
Oct 28 21:03:22 <ajay> rwatkins: the skype audio app.. (there's one builtin, as well as the one in the appcat you probably know about)
Oct 28 21:03:25 <rwatkins> oh, well lookie there .. skype on the ATT one too for phone./
Oct 28 21:16:05 <Clark008> I don't think it'll be in bby stores
Oct 28 21:16:07 <Clark008> http://pr.bby.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=244152&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1623378&highlight=
Oct 28 21:16:15 <Clark008> press release said online
Oct 28 21:16:38 <Clark008> ah, stores on nov 4th
Oct 28 21:16:40 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 28 21:17:10 <rwatkins> so maybe a nice little flurry of app downloads in a week or so
Oct 28 21:17:22 <ajay> that's weird that BB wants to sell touchpads again.. they seemed to be so anti-selling them (pre AND post-firesale)!
Oct 28 21:17:29 <Clark008> I snagged smart office with the promo code
Oct 28 21:17:38 <Clark008> it's rather awesome!
Oct 28 21:17:49 <roy-pre101> Urg, can't get this radio board to be recognized on Sprint.
Oct 28 21:18:00 <ajay> Clark008: why does hp refuse to email me promo codes?? :(  (rhetorical question? :)
Oct 28 21:18:04 <Clark008> I was wondering if they still have veer in bby stores
Oct 28 21:18:27 <oilsworkn> is it just me or does the "mobile nations" logo look like a "your battery is almost dead" icon
Oct 28 21:19:25 <Clark008> with firesale price on veer, I'd pick one up
Oct 28 21:19:43 <Clark008> ajay - did you sign up for their emails when you sign up for webos profile?
Oct 28 21:21:52 <Clark008> I used the code the minute I got the email
Oct 28 21:22:18 <Clark008> after snagging the app, I sent the code to a friend, and he said it finished
Oct 28 21:22:31 <Clark008> that was all within 5 mins, lol
Oct 28 21:24:44 <ajay> Clark008: umm, i don't know.. but i tried to sign up with that link many times, to no avail.. just made a new profile today (to make sure my pre3 got activated on att rather than wifi), so will have to make sure that one's good to go!
Oct 28 21:29:25 <HattCzech_work> ajay: i have the same problem
Oct 28 21:29:37 <HattCzech_work> they don't send me codes, either
Oct 28 21:29:42 * oilsworkn either
Oct 28 21:29:57 <ajay> do you think they hate us because we've been using webOS too long?
Oct 28 21:33:31 <HattCzech_work> possibly
Oct 28 21:33:35 <HattCzech_work> but that makes me sad
Oct 28 21:41:19 <ajay> ok me go now!
Oct 28 21:41:38 <dwc-> ajay: what's up?
Oct 28 21:42:01 <dwc-> I've used skype on the pre3 and it seems to work ok
Oct 28 21:42:26 <ajay> dwc-: oh you were just waiting for me to say i'm leaving before responding back huh?? :)  i emailed you, so check that at your leisure..
Oct 28 21:42:35 <dwc-> saw that. was in a meeting.
Oct 28 21:43:03 <ajay> yeah it's weird.. calls (except maybe activation) work fine, but skype (video or audio call!) cause the screen to blank forever.
Oct 28 21:43:04 <ajay> ugh
Oct 28 21:43:09 <ajay> such a strange bug too
Oct 28 21:43:43 <dwc-> hmm, I've only used it a couple times, but I don't think bemjb or I have seen that
Oct 28 21:44:48 <ajay> dwc-: yeah i'll ask some VzPre3 owners if they have, I think it's a Vz bug. (No, I hope it's a vz bug, i hope it's not a my-phone bug! ;^)
Oct 28 21:45:17 <ajay> i'm hoping that DU will get some VzPre3 unlocks in too, so i can switch one of my many Veer unlocks into an unlock for it..
Oct 28 21:45:29 <ajay> I wonder if i could have Vz AND GSM service simultaneously.  That would be HOT
Oct 28 21:45:53 * ajay has seen dual SIM solutions before (hardware, involve sim cutting) which might be fun..
Oct 28 21:46:48 <dwc-> there are also phones which support that natively
Oct 28 21:47:38 <summatusmentis> VZW is not a sim-based network
Oct 28 21:47:41 <summatusmentis> but I assume you know that
Oct 28 21:48:05 <dwc-> afaik, you won't get US 3g anyways
Oct 28 21:48:49 <ajay> summatusmentis: I meant if i can't get the VzPre3 to work on Vz AND GSM simultaneously, a dual-SIM solution might be the backup
Oct 28 21:49:05 <summatusmentis> I don't... why?
Oct 28 21:49:05 <ajay> summatusmentis: actually i think the new verizon (post-pre3) is a SIM-based network :)
Oct 28 21:49:24 <summatusmentis> ajay: the LTE portion of vzw is sim-based, yes
Oct 28 21:49:26 <ajay> (you know, the Pre4 "4G"/LTE and all that :)
Oct 28 21:49:53 <ajay> summatusmentis: cuz it'd be hot!  Have 2 phone lines in 1 pre phone?!?
Oct 28 21:50:18 * ajay wasn't asking, just talkin :)
Oct 28 21:50:48 <ajay> dwc-: hey you wanna skype me real quick?  I want to see if i have the same problem on incoming.. (no pressure)
Oct 28 21:53:11 <dwc-> sure. pm me your SN
Oct 28 21:54:36 <dwc-> hmm, apparently it's been logged into skype since I restored it last. whoops.
Oct 28 21:56:33 <ajay> dwc-: I allow calls from anyone
Oct 28 21:56:46 <ajay> but ok
Oct 28 21:59:46 <dwc-> oh. I don't know how to dial a non-buddy'd skype
Oct 28 21:59:51 * ajay confirms with dwc- .. this VzPre3 on skype is hecka broken.. awaits 2.2.4?? :)  (or skype 1.0.4? who knows where the problem is!)
Oct 28 21:59:59 <dwc-> so I added
Oct 28 22:00:10 <Clark008> this is odd, standby drain went from 90% to 75% in an hour
Oct 28 22:01:05 <ajay> dwc-: ah, I see.
Oct 28 22:01:09 <ajay> Clark008: sounds like my life! heh..
Oct 28 22:01:11 <ajay> ok really goin now!
Oct 28 22:03:47 <ajay> just had to rejoin to say..
Oct 28 22:04:03 <ajay> suck it hp!
Oct 28 22:04:23 <ajay> they sold like 2500 16GB touchpads to employees (5each!) and 12 pre3s per employee, but none for the public! grr..
Oct 28 22:09:00 <TheMann00> was stopping by to see if anyone else have having skype microphone issues after 3.0.4 upgrade?
Oct 28 22:44:18 <rwatkins> Nice. So "signup here to be notified when they come back in stock" -> "Remaining stock avail ~ October" -> "Nope, we just gave that stock to Best Buy, thanks for following!"
Oct 28 22:47:12 <dwc-> they already HAD stock available
Oct 28 22:47:18 <dwc-> and it sold
Oct 28 22:48:00 <rwatkins> ah, the stock they never emailed about?
Oct 28 22:48:37 <dwc-> I don't know. I didn't get an email, but I also didn't get the prior email with the special accessories offer so I assume mine was one of the ones that got lost and didn't make it into their database
Oct 28 22:48:56 <rwatkins> @BrynaAtHP @MarkAtHP -> Unfollow.  Clowns.
Oct 28 22:49:35 <dwc-> @* -> Unfollow.
Oct 28 22:49:57 <dwc-> oh wait, I still let amazon's accounts tell me about free stuff I can get if I spam all 0 of my friends
Oct 28 22:51:39 <rwatkins> I find plenty of others useful, but thats was a pure 'lets collect email and followers so we can market other stuff to them' ploy
Oct 28 22:57:36 <dwc-> yep, and that's the only reason I do it
Oct 28 22:57:41 <dwc-> I wouldn't sell out my followers
Oct 28 22:58:16 <rwatkins> i ment hps collection of email during the firesale and the suggestion to follow the PR people for details.
Oct 28 23:05:21 <dwc-> oh
Oct 28 23:06:53 <Tibfib_> hahahaahah: http://xkcd.com/537/
Oct 28 23:09:21 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Oct 28 23:30:16 <EricBlade> well HP dashes my short lived excitement at the new Best Buy TouchPad promo, by sending out emails saying that's the end of the line
Oct 28 23:30:57 * PuffTheMagic considers selling his stack of unopened TPs
Oct 28 23:31:05 <dwc-> choo-choo
Oct 28 23:31:06 <seretogis> now would be the time to do it
Oct 28 23:31:14 <seretogis> before everyone buys Kindle Fires to hack instead
Oct 28 23:31:18 <Tibfib_> I got a second one in the fire sale
Oct 28 23:31:20 <Tibfib_> gonna sell it
Oct 28 23:31:29 <seretogis> I sold a few to coworkers for $160
Oct 28 23:31:30 * PuffTheMagic got 3
Oct 28 23:31:34 <seretogis> 'cuz I'm a nice guy
Oct 28 23:31:41 <PuffTheMagic> and they are pretty useless if the app catalog shuts down
Oct 28 23:31:53 <seretogis> PuffTheMagic: put ICS on them
Oct 28 23:31:58 <PuffTheMagic> i was gonna gift them for xmas but the wont be worth their parts by then
Oct 28 23:32:02 <LoneStar99> so it is the end of the road for WebOS i assume?
Oct 28 23:32:03 <PuffTheMagic> ICS?
Oct 28 23:32:10 <seretogis> Ice Cream Sandwhich - Android
Oct 28 23:32:15 <seretogis> Sandwich*
Oct 28 23:33:32 <PuffTheMagic> ya i suppose that is an option
Oct 28 23:33:39 <PuffTheMagic> for others, not me
Oct 28 23:33:48 <seretogis> well you could load it on and sell it for $200
Oct 28 23:33:49 <seretogis> or something
Oct 28 23:34:02 <PuffTheMagic> i really dont know which way im going after im done with webos
Oct 28 23:34:11 <PuffTheMagic> win8 is def not an option
Oct 28 23:34:21 <seretogis> why not?
Oct 28 23:34:41 <PuffTheMagic> i dont use win*
Oct 28 23:34:55 <EricBlade> PuffTheMagic: i have a certain person in mind that i would absolutely love to get one for
Oct 28 23:34:58 <seretogis> what do you use instead?
Oct 28 23:35:12 <PuffTheMagic> seretogis, linux
Oct 28 23:35:17 <PuffTheMagic> and sometimes mac
Oct 28 23:35:22 <seretogis> ah
Oct 28 23:35:23 <PuffTheMagic> but never a MS product
Oct 28 23:35:26 <dwc-> $160 for 32 or 16?
Oct 28 23:35:32 <seretogis> 32
Oct 28 23:35:38 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, they could go for way more on ebay im sure
Oct 28 23:36:11 * dwc- uses MS products for games and fonts and stuff
Oct 28 23:36:25 <PuffTheMagic> the hard thing for me is if i want to start learning obj-c and have no linux userland, or java and have some linux
Oct 28 23:36:33 <dwc-> my friend got my extra 32GB for cost
Oct 28 23:36:59 <PuffTheMagic> i will trade an TP for a sprint iphone :D
Oct 28 23:37:19 <dwc-> pfft, If I had a sprint iphone I would have traded it to the guy offering 10 pre3s
Oct 28 23:37:28 <dwc-> (dunno why he was doing that, but ok)
Oct 28 23:37:37 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think that was real
Oct 28 23:37:39 <PuffTheMagic> but i could be wrong
Oct 28 23:37:50 <PuffTheMagic> but pre3s are a waste too
Oct 28 23:37:54 <dwc-> could be. I didn't contact him/her
Oct 28 23:38:23 <EricBlade> someone i know who absolutely could not afford to buy hardware at the moment, has a very sweet 10 year old daughter and i'd like to gift them a tablet, but i don't want to get them junk, and i can't afford 300+
Oct 28 23:38:46 <PuffTheMagic> kindle?
Oct 28 23:38:47 <seretogis> I wonder if HP is going to lay off all of the webOS people and they gave them their severance in advance in the form of TPs/Pre 3s
Oct 28 23:39:03 <EricBlade> so, i either see what's going down for Black Friday, which will probably be super cheap junk, OR after xmas sales, which who knows.
Oct 28 23:39:11 <dwc-> they already did give them TPs and pre3s to sell on ebay/cl :P
Oct 28 23:39:11 <EricBlade> i'd like them to get a Touchpad, since I know it
Oct 28 23:39:19 <seretogis> dwc-: that was my point
Oct 28 23:39:40 <seretogis> so they can make a killing on hardware that will be unsupported in a few months
Oct 28 23:39:59 * EricBlade shrugs. still 2 months till xmas, i'll figure something out by then hopefully.  well hopefully i'll be able to afford a little more
Oct 28 23:40:25 <seretogis> EricBlade: start whoring yourself out!
Oct 28 23:40:26 <PuffTheMagic> kindle fire is as cheap as a TP basically
Oct 28 23:40:49 <PuffTheMagic> and isnt going anywhere in the near future
Oct 28 23:41:09 <EricBlade> true. probably an advantage to getting her something that runs software that isn't hanging on the edge of death
Oct 28 23:41:33 <dwc-> if you want something androidy, the nook color is known to be hackable
Oct 28 23:41:44 <EricBlade> i want something webosy
Oct 28 23:41:58 <dwc-> and is still supported if they want the original software back on it
Oct 28 23:42:01 <seretogis> the Amazon Fire will be hacked to pieces eventually, and is the same price as the Nook Color but with some better specs
Oct 28 23:42:07 * EricBlade cues someone answering "HOW'S IT FEEL TO WANT?"
Oct 28 23:42:26 <seretogis> Kindle Fire*
Oct 28 23:42:33 <dwc-> no guarantees on hackability
Oct 28 23:42:42 <seretogis> virtually guaranteed!
Oct 28 23:42:43 <dwc-> and is now vs later
Oct 28 23:42:51 <seretogis> but he has until christma
Oct 28 23:42:53 <seretogis> +s
Oct 28 23:42:58 <dwc-> could always end up with locked bootloaders and the like
Oct 28 23:42:59 <Khaytsus> NC was so hackable because it was nearly unbrickable and dumb simple to do (for the end user, that is)
Oct 28 23:43:12 <seretogis> Khaytsus: true
Oct 28 23:43:14 <dwc-> nobody really knows what hardware is going into the fire
Oct 28 23:43:24 <Khaytsus> Amazon said they won't try to "stop" rooting but that doesn't mean they won't try to make it difficult.
Oct 28 23:43:35 <Khaytsus> SD card boot priority on the NC made it cake.
Oct 28 23:43:46 <dwc-> yep
Oct 28 23:44:04 <Khaytsus> But then again, it also made it easier for them..  toss in an SD card and fix whatever the user did.
Oct 28 23:45:24 <PuffTheMagic> nook was omap too wasnt it
Oct 28 23:45:29 <PuffTheMagic> those ARE unbrickable
Oct 28 23:45:49 <seretogis> I gave eighthree my Nook Color that I had CM7 on
Oct 28 23:46:13 <Khaytsus> PuffTheMagic: omap + SD card boot priority, so yeah, unbrickable.
Oct 28 23:46:24 <Khaytsus> Shame the NC was just laggy
Oct 28 23:46:34 <Khaytsus> I have one, just haen't used it since I got a Dell Streak 7
Oct 28 23:46:46 <seretogis> I noticed lag only when booting from the sd card
Oct 28 23:46:53 <seretogis> installing to emmc was smooooooth
Oct 28 23:46:56 <Khaytsus> Nah, I did that for a few weeks, emmc after
Oct 28 23:47:11 <seretogis> honeycomb on sd was lol
Oct 28 23:47:12 <seretogis> ;p
Oct 28 23:47:16 <Khaytsus> It was just overall laggy herer and there
Oct 28 23:47:21 <rwhitby> roy-pre101: here now
Oct 28 23:47:23 <Khaytsus> I did HC on SD just to see it, that's it
Oct 28 23:47:31 <seretogis> yeah
Oct 28 23:48:20 <Khaytsus>  thinking I should start using it to actually read on..  DS7 runtime is pretty low
Oct 29 00:02:52 <dwc-> hmm, someone found a way to make the blackberry playbook 7" have an effective "firesale" price of $99 (YMMV)
Oct 29 00:05:59 <roy-pre101> rwhitby: What is the option to meta-doctor to clear things out?  I looked through the makefile but couldn't figure it out.
Oct 29 00:14:29 <rwhitby> what do you mean by clear things out?
Oct 29 00:15:24 <roy-pre101> Wasn't there an option to force it to clear out temp directories and what builds?
Oct 29 00:15:29 <roy-pre101> err...
Oct 29 00:15:37 <roy-pre101> s/what//
Oct 29 00:16:02 <dwc-> clobber?
Oct 29 00:31:03 <rwhitby> roy-pre101: make clobber
Oct 29 01:06:45 <roy-pre101> rwhitby: aha, thanks
Oct 29 01:07:15 <roy-pre101> Having a problem with a sprintified pre 2…  They /said/ they activated it but I can't make calls or get 3G.
Oct 29 01:07:33 <roy-pre101> Moved radio from old pre 2 to a new one and it won't come online.
Oct 29 01:07:41 <roy-pre101> Going to try remaking everything from scratch.
Oct 29 01:22:21 <BUM_GAY> is this channel about androud
Oct 29 01:22:28 <BUM_GAY> -u +i
Oct 29 01:23:50 <rwhitby> It is not.
Oct 29 01:24:11 <seretogis> why, exactly, would it be?
Oct 29 01:24:22 <BUM_GAY> dunno, it's amusing to ask though isnt it
Oct 29 01:24:28 <rwhitby> seretogis: don't feed the troll
Oct 29 01:25:09 <BUM_GAY> so anyway
Oct 29 01:25:13 <BUM_GAY> bit drunk here
Oct 29 01:26:15 * rwhitby points to /topic
Oct 29 01:28:10 <Khaytsus> Mmmm, trolls.
Oct 29 01:33:56 <BUM_GAY> so anyway
Oct 29 01:33:58 <BUM_GAY> as i was saying
Oct 29 01:34:05 <BUM_GAY> is this channel about andriud
Oct 29 01:34:14 <BUM_GAY> it's a bloody joke!!!!
Oct 29 01:35:07 <Khaytsus> BUM_GAY: Nowhere else to troll tonight?
Oct 29 01:35:25 <Khaytsus> rwhitby: :P
Oct 29 01:36:33 <BUM_GAY> not trolling
Oct 29 01:36:35 <BUM_GAY> just a bit bored
Oct 29 01:36:53 <BUM_GAY> i need a hug
Oct 29 01:37:26 <roy-pre101> Try #hugs_for_free
Oct 29 01:37:37 <BUM_GAY> it's not quite the same is it
Oct 29 01:37:51 <BUM_GAY> they're more than likely offering hugs to pretty much everyone
Oct 29 01:37:54 <BUM_GAY> i want a special hug
Oct 29 01:38:34 <Khaytsus> With that nick, I bet you do
Oct 29 01:38:42 <BUM_GAY> names mean nothing
Oct 29 01:39:01 <BUM_GAY> i'm a straight male
Oct 29 01:39:02 <BUM_GAY> but
Oct 29 01:39:03 <roy-pre101> That's deep.
Oct 29 01:39:07 <BUM_GAY> who cares
Oct 29 01:39:09 <seretogis> straight but not narrow?
Oct 29 01:39:11 <BUM_GAY> who's up for a hug
Oct 29 01:39:31 <BUM_GAY> hug and/or bumming
Oct 29 01:39:45 <seretogis> webcam?
Oct 29 01:39:50 <BUM_GAY> nah
Oct 29 01:40:04 <BUM_GAY> i'm being facetious
Oct 29 01:40:58 <BUM_GAY> in all seriousness though
Oct 29 01:41:10 <BUM_GAY> are there actually women in here
Oct 29 01:41:37 <BUM_GAY> if there are i sincerly suggest the ignore them bum and gay marts of my moniker
Oct 29 01:41:40 <BUM_GAY> err
Oct 29 01:41:41 <BUM_GAY> parts
Oct 29 01:42:04 <BUM_GAY> and mainly concentrate on the underscore
Oct 29 01:42:39 <seretogis> why only women? it's not polite to discriminate.
Oct 29 01:44:05 <fxspec06> o.o
Oct 29 02:25:58 <fxspec06> http://www.amazon.com/HP-TouchPad-9-7-Inch-Tablet-Computer/dp/B0055D66V4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319854809&sr=8-1
Oct 29 02:28:33 <Khaytsus> For the low, low price of $150 you can get a TP with a qualifying HP computer at Best Buy!
Oct 29 02:28:38 <Khaytsus> Don't hurt yourself, they open at 10am!
Oct 29 02:34:04 <Khaytsus> You fill up my senses like a cache in the forest
Oct 29 02:34:11 <Khaytsus> erm, yeah, wrong channel
Oct 29 02:34:52 <seretogis> :o
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