**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 31 02:59:56 2011 Oct 31 03:08:12 urgghhh Oct 31 03:08:17 10 words too many in this essay Oct 31 03:11:28 Can anyone help me determine why I never get a return call from my enyo service? Oct 31 03:11:46 error454: Maybe it's just not that into you? Oct 31 03:12:25 ;) Oct 31 03:12:30 Shadyman: hmm well haha Oct 31 03:13:04 :D Oct 31 03:16:11 specifically, is there a problem with making a service call in the create() method? The service call goes through but even in a service that only sets future.result, I never get the callback. Oct 31 03:43:32 * DougReeder waves hello Oct 31 05:52:46 hello, anyone using pre3? How about the quality of hardware, just fragile like previous generations? Oct 31 05:53:18 I think the build quality of the hardware has only improved with every iteration Oct 31 05:54:10 so you mean it's sill bad? Oct 31 05:55:37 well, I didn't think the pre2 was all that bad, but apparently you do Oct 31 05:55:46 ... Oct 31 05:55:49 O_o Oct 31 05:56:04 more than happy with my pre3 Oct 31 05:56:35 agree. pre was so-so, pre3 was pretty decent, pre3 even better Oct 31 05:56:42 there's plenty of pre3 reviews out there, if you're actually interested in what people think Oct 31 05:56:49 "pre2 was pretty decent" Oct 31 05:57:12 if you're just here to troll, then, ... well... Oct 31 05:58:01 No, I don't mean to ... Oct 31 05:58:18 I got a veer and feel good Oct 31 05:58:30 the pre3 feels to me pretty veer-like in build quality Oct 31 05:58:49 fairly solid, I like the metal rockers and switches Oct 31 06:00:11 btw. is there a synergy plugin that connects Google Task and veer Tasks? Oct 31 06:01:13 iirc, google tasks has no public API Oct 31 06:01:23 so I"m guessing not Oct 31 06:02:00 I think the best you could do API-wise (I was looking for ways to create recurring tasks) was a google-hosted script could get you access to it Oct 31 06:02:40 just google'd it today and find this: https://code.google.com/apis/tasks/libraries.html Oct 31 06:04:20 will the "apps script" work from the phone? Oct 31 06:04:47 hmm, interesting Oct 31 06:04:55 apps scripts run on google apps Oct 31 06:05:20 I don't know much about them, but I did find a blog post with some code I copied for interfacing with mail Oct 31 06:05:54 because the api interface get firewalled or what? Oct 31 06:05:55 and I could schedule something to run at certain times, etc Oct 31 06:06:08 I don't know, first time I've seen this tasks one Oct 31 06:07:43 I may give the php sample a try locally Oct 31 06:08:37 could be cool to get Tasks sync'ed. then everything is on the cloud Oct 31 07:23:06 hi Oct 31 10:01:23 Hi...Can anyone please halp me with Palm Life Drive ? Oct 31 10:10:07 hi Oct 31 10:51:59 Amdpc: palm life drive does not run webOS Oct 31 15:32:35 * spencer2302 what's up room Oct 31 15:35:27 I guess nothin loll Oct 31 16:10:42 Hmmm. Did 3.0.4 change anything to do with touchstone charging, or am I just smoking something? Oct 31 16:11:15 My TP won't charge on the touchstone now in its Targus Truss case (though it's rather thick, it's always worked before) Oct 31 16:17:41 Shadyman, probably smoking something :D Oct 31 16:17:58 but since 3.0.4 my wife can't charge in the Case either. Oct 31 16:20:34 ah Oct 31 16:20:44 Hmm. Time to poke some values then Oct 31 16:21:05 I can charge my dev TP in its HP case though Oct 31 16:23:36 To the hardware list! http://erroraccessdenied.com/node/1690 Oct 31 16:34:07 ka6sox: watch 'cat /sys/devices/i2c-3/3-0031/getcurrent' shows the current (+/-) as you move the TP around the touchstone dock Oct 31 16:34:19 fwiw Oct 31 16:37:10 Shadyman, kewl...I will add that to my monitor list. Oct 31 16:37:24 if it's discharging, it'll be - Oct 31 16:37:27 charging will be + Oct 31 16:37:47 so it looks like as it sits in my case, it's not discharging as much as if it was standing alone, so it is picking *something* up Oct 31 16:37:52 but far from ideal Oct 31 16:39:01 the further away from the TP you get the less coupling...so that makes sense. Oct 31 16:39:54 yeah Oct 31 16:40:10 I'd imagine it's probably 3 or 4 decimal places Oct 31 16:40:21 ie i'm getting -597186 Oct 31 16:40:34 which I'd imagine is -59.7mAh Oct 31 16:41:01 Hmm. Isn't there a preware app that does something like that? Oct 31 16:41:49 govnah? Oct 31 16:41:53 yeah Oct 31 16:42:00 :) Oct 31 16:42:01 derp Oct 31 16:42:08 ah. 3 decimal places. Oct 31 16:42:18 -597mA Oct 31 16:43:22 Off charger, mine is sucking anywhere from 500-900mA Oct 31 16:43:24 which makes sense Oct 31 16:43:52 I was even hitting >1A with brighness at max Oct 31 16:44:02 bluetooth, wifi on Oct 31 16:44:23 Just cranked mine up and it came close to 1A, but still <1A Oct 31 16:44:30 wifi & bt enabled Oct 31 18:16:01 sup Oct 31 18:25:20 Yo Oct 31 20:35:56 Sure is quiet in here Oct 31 20:37:25 *tumbleweed* Oct 31 20:51:35 Oh, bummer. For some reason I thought I could write OpenGL ES applications in Linux, and test on the desktop without using an emulator Oct 31 20:55:00 Is anyone here a game developer? Oct 31 20:55:34 You would have to compile them seperately, would be my guess Oct 31 20:56:52 Since the architecture is different, but I have no more familiarity than that. Oct 31 21:07:05 Oh, I was just curious if anyone was writing any games Oct 31 21:07:12 I've been working with NME Oct 31 21:07:24 But getting deeper into OpenGL to help improve the underlying framework Oct 31 21:07:43 ah Oct 31 21:07:45 It uses C++ internally, but you write your code in haxe, which is kind of like Actionscript or Javascript Oct 31 21:08:07 Interesting. URL? Oct 31 21:08:22 http://www.haxenme.org Oct 31 21:08:27 thx Oct 31 21:09:08 very cool - probably easier for us newbs to dive into than writing c/c++ and opengl from the ground up Oct 31 21:09:19 us means me Oct 31 21:09:20 :) Oct 31 21:10:39 Oh, absolutely Oct 31 21:10:50 I was waiting for Adobe to release Flash for webOS... Oct 31 21:10:52 and waiting... Oct 31 21:11:06 when finally Chuq said I should not keep my hopes up and should look at C++ or Javascript Oct 31 21:11:17 I didn't want to go with Canvas, so I reluctantly started researching C++ more Oct 31 21:11:21 When I stumbled upon NME Oct 31 21:11:31 So I ported it to webOS and built my games that way Oct 31 21:12:02 var myPicture = new Bitmap (Assets.getBitmapData ("MyImage.jpg")); Oct 31 21:12:02 addChild (myPicture); Oct 31 21:12:23 myPicture.alpha = 0; Oct 31 21:12:23 Actuate.tween (myPicture, 2, { alpha: 1 } ).ease (Elastic.easeOut); Oct 31 21:12:46 It's a lot like Flash -- much easier to use than writing OpenGL by hand :) Oct 31 21:17:26 Canvas doesn't seem too bad - I looked at the Far Cry Fowl or whatever tutorial Oct 31 21:17:35 I started a project but never got around to finishing it Oct 31 21:18:33 It seems like it should be pretty easy to build a small tile engine around the canvas img objects Oct 31 21:18:49 But of course I haven't tried yet :) Oct 31 21:18:52 So of course it sounds easy Oct 31 21:19:30 out of context, that's a little disturbing singmajesty... Oct 31 21:19:36 tween... picture... addchild Oct 31 21:19:48 lol Oct 31 21:20:16 hmm...is this the right channel? Oct 31 21:20:53 yes Oct 31 21:21:00 :) Oct 31 21:24:41 Well, performance is a big thing Oct 31 21:24:55 I've gotten 3 - 7 times faster rendering performance in NME than Adobe AIR Oct 31 21:25:08 That's a huge downside to canvas, is performance Oct 31 21:25:25 NME uses a "display list" like Flash Oct 31 21:25:43 You can "addChild" or "removeChild" objects Oct 31 21:25:57 Unlike other systems where display objects are instantly visible Oct 31 21:26:32 And "tween" is a term for generating the "inbetween" for two states Oct 31 21:26:43 so it will create an animation from invisible to visible Oct 31 21:27:03 But, at face value, without knowing any of this, I can see what you mean dwc- Oct 31 21:27:03 :) Oct 31 21:31:17 I love novaterm Oct 31 21:32:12 it loves you back. except on windows Oct 31 21:32:30 I almost never use novaterm Oct 31 21:32:40 but other platforms won't let me do that :( Oct 31 21:34:12 hi Oct 31 21:34:13 addChild() is a common metaphor, and picture is obviously fairly innocuous... but primed first by tween, my mind went the other way Oct 31 21:34:45 WE wouldnt expect anything less, dwc- :P Oct 31 21:34:54 We* Oct 31 21:35:00 Yeah, it's too bad novaterm doesn't work better on Windows Oct 31 21:35:11 I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 right now, though Oct 31 21:35:18 For whatever reason, C++ makes me want to use Linux Oct 31 21:35:28 or at least a unixy OS Oct 31 21:35:32 Though higher-level development makes me want to use Windows Oct 31 21:35:36 but I 100% agree Oct 31 21:35:40 (FlashDevelop, Photoshop, etc) Oct 31 21:35:50 photoshop is higher-level development? Oct 31 21:36:06 Perhaps I should have said FlashDevelop + Photoshop Oct 31 21:36:14 oh Oct 31 21:36:18 Yeah, I mean, instead of low-level engine development Oct 31 21:36:28 Creating game logic, assets, etc Oct 31 21:36:47 Though if I had FlashDevelop on Linux, I might only boot into Windows for Starcraft Oct 31 21:36:54 and use VirtualBox for Photoshop Oct 31 21:39:34 I use Lightroom more than PS, and I use Silverfast for scanning negs Oct 31 22:11:45 ▄██████████████▄▐█▄▄▄▄█▌ Oct 31 22:11:46 ██████▌▄▌▄▐▐▌███▌▀▀██▀▀ Oct 31 22:11:46 ████▄█▌▄▌▄▐▐▌▀███▄▄█▌ Oct 31 22:11:46 ▄▄▄▄▄██████████████▀ Oct 31 22:11:47 weee Oct 31 22:11:54 Fail whale? Oct 31 22:12:10 That's pretty cool :) Oct 31 22:12:23 http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?id=18692155&ps=933&srce=news_class&action=2&lang=en&_LT=UNLC_NKNWU00L2_UNEWS Oct 31 22:12:24 haha Oct 31 22:12:33 domino's employees burn down a papajohns Oct 31 22:13:22 "Was it worth it?" Oct 31 22:13:33 When pizza rivalries go too far? Oct 31 22:13:40 dun dun dun! Oct 31 22:14:02 THIS WEEK, on Touched by an Artichoke Oct 31 22:14:13 any Veer+Touchpad owners here that've done some magic? Oct 31 22:14:20 Magic? Oct 31 22:14:24 mmm.. artichoke on pizza, sounds good.. Oct 31 22:14:25 Touch-to-share? Oct 31 22:14:27 ya Oct 31 22:15:13 I haven't tried to get Touch-to-Share working on a final release of webOS Oct 31 22:15:31 I've used it with the Pre 3, but never tried hacking anything Oct 31 22:27:39 the biggest benefit to the pre3 over the pre2 to me is the front-facing camera for video chat. I'm pretty sure the skype app is the only way to access it. (atm) Oct 31 22:38:47 ta Oct 31 22:38:57 there's an app in the catalog for that Oct 31 22:49:37 yea! AppHack results up Nov 01 01:04:04 Bwahahaha http://www.osnews.com/story/19266/WTFs_m Nov 01 01:05:32 lol Nov 01 01:31:02 ohcrap, how do you press Escape on the TP bluetooth keyboard? There is a major flaw in my cunning plan to use VI. Nov 01 01:31:28 specifically shifting between edit mode and command mode :x Nov 01 01:31:29 hahaha Nov 01 01:31:42 good question :( Nov 01 01:32:31 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/301953-patch-request-map-top-left-key-hp-bluetooth-keyboard-esc-xterm.html Nov 01 02:50:46 * DougReeder waves hello Nov 01 02:50:54 lo Nov 01 02:51:22 anyone submitting to this week's App Hack? Nov 01 02:57:38 not me this time around. good concept this time around, but burned alot of time on last weeks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 01 02:59:57 2011