**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 07 02:59:57 2011 Nov 07 03:31:30 my touchpad seems to remember what touchstone was displaying what clock... is that real or imagined? Nov 07 03:31:47 its real Nov 07 03:37:21 real. Nov 07 03:37:30 That's a feature ;) Nov 07 03:37:51 you could have it, say, display a calendar in your office and a photo slideshow at home, for example. Nov 07 05:01:02 hai guyz. sup Nov 07 05:30:57 uuugh my skype refuses to login fully, but its been downloading messages at a rate of one every few minutes, for hours. Nov 07 05:31:08 skype support in webos blooows Nov 07 05:40:39 cool, so if that's a feature - how do I tap into it? :) I exhibition app to display local information for home, and work Nov 07 05:50:53 Freman: I don't think you can "tap into it"...whatever exhibition app the user chooses will be the one that's displayed on whatever charger Nov 07 06:03:50 damn, cos that'd rock, guess I'll have to try with network information Nov 07 06:21:10 well that's no fair Nov 07 06:21:29 window deactivated gets called three times :( Nov 07 06:21:37 window activated gets called none :(( Nov 07 06:23:25 oh, probably has something to do with my missing d :) Nov 07 06:24:55 awsome Nov 07 06:27:41 now to hope that the frames clean up Nov 07 06:49:39 yay, it all works Nov 07 07:39:43 ok, will anything bad and irreversible happen if i attempt to attach my existing touchpad's palm profile to a pre or pre2? Nov 07 07:53:40 doubt it, if you're not breaking the one-phone-per-account Nov 07 08:00:13 what happens if i try to add two phones to an account? Nov 07 08:00:23 it removes the first one Nov 07 08:00:33 while also setting it to be wiped Nov 07 08:01:11 that's.. annoying. Nov 07 08:10:24 hi Nov 07 08:10:51 aside from this sprint pre taking -forever- to start up, it doesn't seem too bad to me at all Nov 07 12:56:03 Hello Nov 07 12:56:07 Any news about coupon? Nov 07 12:56:37 Has anyone received? Nov 07 12:57:09 no, not yet Nov 07 12:58:12 Damn.. thanks! Anyway i don't understand which HP Store we can buy, because i try to see and no one of this store have touchpad o.O Nov 07 13:29:02 when have you sended coupon request ? Nov 07 13:33:17 Friday Nov 07 13:33:52 Why? Nov 07 13:36:01 hi just read about the new developer program, but it isn't open for internal HP employees, right? Nov 07 13:36:21 Right Nov 07 13:36:31 Everyone think are wait the coupon Nov 07 13:36:35 (Also me..) Nov 07 13:38:01 great, again no tp :) Nov 07 14:07:01 Damn when Dev team send this coupon -_- Nov 07 14:09:57 Any news? Nov 07 15:22:29 Where is the code for WebOS? Any ROM's yet? Nov 07 15:29:00 this chat is dead Nov 07 15:33:15 I see alot of people here. Nov 07 15:34:52 * dwc- scratches his head Nov 07 15:35:01 zombies arround Nov 07 15:35:17 webos roms... www.palm.com/rom Nov 07 15:40:29 zombie here :) Nov 07 16:00:56 Still no coupons Nov 07 16:42:50 Abhish: http://palm.com/rom Nov 07 16:42:55 you're welcome Nov 07 16:43:16 oh dwc- beat me to it :D Nov 07 16:44:17 mornin' chuqui Nov 07 16:47:09 wonder what this is all about "A lot of HP news today...cranking out those computers. I want to see a second generation touchpad." Nov 07 16:48:09 PuffTheMagic: that's from twitter right? Nov 07 16:48:15 I saw that this morning, who was it? Nov 07 16:48:22 ya Nov 07 16:48:32 what HP news is there? Nov 07 16:48:36 no clue Nov 07 16:48:56 I mean, maybe a lot of announcements about new HP computers Nov 07 16:50:42 it was TeckieGitrl what tweeted that about touchpads Nov 07 16:50:48 I was just agreeing with her :) Nov 07 16:50:56 @TeckieGirl, rather Nov 07 16:51:11 right Nov 07 16:56:52 oh joy....looks like I get to set up sendmail myself Nov 07 16:56:55 it's been awhile Nov 07 16:57:56 ... sendmail? Nov 07 16:58:18 directhex: yeah, on my vps Nov 07 16:59:11 ... sendmail? Nov 07 17:04:49 http://iwannalickmycomputerscreen.tumblr.com/ - ooh Nov 07 17:07:19 sendmail. oof Nov 07 17:08:26 built custom patched versions of sendmail and installed with custom config files for the servers at college 20 year ago. Nov 07 17:08:41 not something I wanna do anymore Nov 07 17:23:14 woot Nov 07 17:23:22 usps approved my insurance claim.. was getting worried Nov 07 17:23:58 sold some stuff, it arrived broken, insured for a bit more than i sold it for, so im actually making money on this ordeal Nov 07 17:25:25 depends on how much your time is worth Nov 07 17:28:34 I run stock sendmail Nov 07 17:28:49 ... with custom sendmail.cf... what's a .mc? :) Nov 07 17:34:21 Is it possible to flash a WebOS rom onto an Android based device? Nov 07 17:37:05 rwatkins: yeah, I have this low-cost "LAMP developer" VPS plan and they want to charge for EVERYTHING (backups, site builder, mail, etc.) and I'm a cheap bastard Nov 07 17:37:47 bah, mail. thats what google is for! Nov 07 17:37:52 at this point I'd likely go postfix rather than sendmail Nov 07 17:38:16 hmmm, I guess I should look at the current state of mail servers Nov 07 17:39:04 sendmail can probalby still send to UUCP addresses, but in this day an age what you really need is likely very small. Nov 07 17:39:13 yes Nov 07 17:39:37 I just need to set up a couple of "staff" eamils for a couple of domains Nov 07 17:39:56 * halfhalo votes google apps Nov 07 17:40:50 Update http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/11/update-on-the-developer-device-program/ Nov 07 17:42:39 hopefully you didnt take a long weekend away from webos dev then Nov 07 18:25:40 woot getting GVoice running on Pre was a single line fix Nov 07 18:26:11 GWhiz! Nov 07 18:26:27 ;) Nov 07 18:27:58 EricBlade: I thought you were using localStorage to save all your data? Nov 07 18:28:38 oh.. is that not supported here? i see. Nov 07 18:28:48 well, it got it running anyway :) Nov 07 18:28:52 i think its not - but if you find it is, let me know. Id be happy to see that Nov 07 18:29:11 looks like it isn't, at least it didn't save the settings Nov 07 18:29:43 its the only think stoping me releaseing Paper Mache for 1.x. Will hopefully fix soon and just store that in webSQL for 1.x instead. Nov 07 18:30:13 single fix to get it up and running, though, was that if you have an object with an attribute called 'continue' it must be referred to in quotes. that's not a requirement in the newer ones Nov 07 18:37:13 well everything works except storage and .. the search box Nov 07 18:37:30 and the text to speech plugin Nov 07 18:39:20 ya, ran into that issue with the param 'in' when setting an alarm. Nov 07 18:48:37 oh wow. I wonder if one of the reasons Google bought Motorola was to get the trademark on the words "Direct Connect" Nov 07 18:49:12 i think that was a Motorola trademark, maybe it was Nextel. Nov 07 19:20:19 if this Pre didn't have such a horrible keyboard, I think I would love it. Nov 07 19:21:41 ...horrible? Nov 07 19:21:44 I love the pre keyboard Nov 07 19:21:46 so much Nov 07 19:22:21 it's.. terrible Nov 07 19:22:36 you're terrible! :-P Nov 07 19:22:43 that's what she said Nov 07 19:22:48 terrible compared to what? Nov 07 19:23:09 ipod, touchpad, LG Rumor, LG Rumor 2 .. Nov 07 19:23:37 I've never tried the LG phones Nov 07 19:23:48 but you're comparing the pre physical keyboard to touchscreen keyboards? Nov 07 19:24:19 that's just a list of all the full keyboards i've used, prior to those, my phones all had T9 entry Nov 07 19:24:37 ah Nov 07 19:24:47 i'd rather enter T9 than use this keyboard tho Nov 07 19:24:58 of the hardware qwerty keyboards, the pre is by far the best I've used Nov 07 19:25:09 yeah everyone I know who tried it loved it Nov 07 19:25:11 maybe if i can get this hard plastic cover the former owner used off of it Nov 07 19:25:15 need an exceptino I guess :) Nov 07 19:25:26 i don't think that'll make much difference.. i have tiny fingers, and the buttons are still way too close Nov 07 19:25:48 I think it does take a bit of getting used to Nov 07 19:25:53 that's what people usually say when the *see* it, you're the first complaininga fter *using* it :) Nov 07 19:27:30 how about, the pre kb sucks compared to the pre2 and pre3 kb :p Nov 07 19:27:39 especially the pre 3 :) Nov 07 19:29:02 rwatkins: localStorage on the Pre is an object of type "Storage" .. is it half implemented, or perhaps has a different interface than it does now? Nov 07 19:29:28 dwc-: I honestly don't notice a difference between the pre- and pre2 keyboard Nov 07 19:30:19 the curvature of the keyboard is also annoying, having the upper buttons farther in than the lower buttons Nov 07 19:30:49 summatusmentis: I've never used a pre- long enough to know Nov 07 19:30:57 but my friends who went from pre- to pre2 say so Nov 07 19:31:05 interesting Nov 07 19:38:40 rwatkins: looks like it's not entirely implemented. i can set and retrieve items from it using the method calls, but they don't seem to persist. Nov 07 19:42:58 interestingly, converting my localStorage to cookies on here seems to have broken my app menu Nov 07 20:07:20 EricBlade: ah, not suprised its a partial implemenation, as it came w/ 2.0 Nov 07 20:07:37 likely some bits already there when porting webkit but required some additional lower level work that didnt make the 1.x cutoff. Nov 07 20:08:30 rwatkins: might not be difficult to override the methods for storage/retrieval to use a different thing. doubt that affects anything if you're setting/getting values directly though Nov 07 20:09:05 I dont really use localStorage directly anyway - I use an in-memory object and just stringify and save it under a single key Nov 07 20:10:09 just the read/save seems to be reliable - unlike say webSQL on 3.x - which breaks, hangs or jsut takes insanely long at random times Nov 07 20:13:15 hmm. so after converting everything to use an object that stores in localstorage or cookies depending on what's available, my app menu is broken, and everything comes up all white until clicking on something. weeeeird. Nov 07 20:32:05 ... and the app menu worked when i first got it running, but on a complete revert, it doesn't. argh. Nov 07 20:47:30 Does anyone know the logistics of the palm developer program? I am having a problem with the webos dev website. Nov 07 20:50:04 ... and looks like adding a openAppMenuHandler and forcing it to open fixes that problem. yay. Nov 07 20:50:40 motherbrain: i may be able to answer a more specific question .. Nov 07 20:53:42 Well the thing is I am a student software engineer trying to get into web os development. I am a registered developer with HP, they had a promotion over the weekend to get touchpad coupons. I emailed the email provided explaining what I was planning to create and my backround. However my friend (who has outlook set up) told me that it gave a special subject line. I used a generic subject since I used gmail. Am I sc Nov 07 20:53:43 rewed? Nov 07 20:53:50 screwed Nov 07 20:56:33 motherbrain no problem Nov 07 20:56:41 He told me that it filled in "Developer Device Program NA TouchPad" but I just put "Developer Device Program" Nov 07 20:57:09 If they accept, they ask where you live and other information Nov 07 20:57:15 Anyway see Chuq answer https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=95474#p95474 Nov 07 20:58:47 Everyone are waiting the answer... Nov 07 20:59:15 Ah ok! Thanks I didn't see that. Hope I get through WebOS seems like a interesting platform.... if only it was open source Nov 07 21:02:09 I don't think..I read an interesting article, in the event that HP aren't more interested in webOS, could not make it open source, because have patent issues. Nov 07 21:02:10 I don't remember the URL... Nov 07 21:23:59 hmm. "Enter" doesn't work on Pre like it does on touchpad either. grr. Nov 07 21:27:34 you mean, enter on the touchpad doesn't work like it does on the phones. grr.. Nov 07 21:27:35 :P Nov 07 21:29:48 onkeyup vs onkeypress for keyCode = 13? Nov 07 21:35:21 hey oh Nov 07 21:35:27 hmmm Nov 07 21:35:34 looking for a link on stopped device wipe, any thoughts? Nov 07 21:35:48 (google searching is like finding a needle in a haystack if you ask me!) Nov 07 21:36:10 pulse module isnt finding libavahi-wrap.so even though rpath is set to the dir Nov 07 21:36:13 i thought i logged out properly with impostah, but the device still wants to wipe.. i logged back in before it rebooted, but i don't know if it'll wipe on startup Nov 07 21:37:01 Its working fine with the other libs it needs in the same ${prefix}/lib Nov 07 21:38:50 well. libavahi-wrap.so is in ${prefix}/lib/pulse-0.9.22. But rpath only needs to be set to the base lib dir afaik Nov 07 21:41:21 rofl, where the heck are the dbus libraries Nov 07 21:45:28 the article is called "StopDeviceWipe" Nov 07 21:46:04 https://www.google.com/search?q=stop+device+wipe+site%3Awebos-internals.org Nov 07 21:46:38 wrea: "not finding" at run/load time? or at compile time? Nov 07 21:46:46 at load time Nov 07 21:46:52 and no, rpath needs to point to the actual directory Nov 07 21:47:03 dwc-: it's a little late for that! Nov 07 21:47:52 (unless the linker (or dlopen()) is looking for "foo/libfoo.so") Nov 07 21:48:02 Easily fixed, but now it's looking for the dbus libs, which arent in /usr/lib Nov 07 21:48:39 that's what i was trying to do, but somehow it still wants to wipe Nov 07 21:48:55 maybe i messed up, i thought i remembered the steps.. Nov 07 21:49:41 This article is very misleading, it's more how to prevent device wipe, but if it's set to wipe, i need a link that'll straight stop it Nov 07 21:49:50 use a hammer Nov 07 21:50:06 that would also wipe the device Nov 07 21:50:27 at least it'll be by your own hand Nov 07 21:50:29 you're probably best off trying to backup what is on there now =] Nov 07 21:50:38 dwc-: i don't see how that's possible Nov 07 21:50:53 that's all i want to do Nov 07 21:51:10 other than maybe a memboot backup.. Nov 07 21:51:11 try usb mode? Nov 07 21:51:16 or memboot, yea Nov 07 21:51:36 i wonder if i can specify just usb drive with that.. aww crap but then i'll still lose app settings.. grr Nov 07 21:56:06 good night Nov 07 21:59:37 the fact that i logged it back in w/ impostah before it rebooted, might that negate the wiping? Nov 07 22:01:22 don't know! Nov 07 22:02:37 hey Nov 07 22:02:45 hmm Nov 07 22:03:19 whats up wrea? Nov 07 22:03:37 perplexed Nov 07 22:03:43 wrea: I never asked you if you ever received your device (veer was it?) Nov 07 22:03:59 dbus library that should be there, isnt. Nov 07 22:04:16 ajay_, i got it unrepaired. So they did an advanced exchanged Nov 07 22:05:00 wrea: i remember you mentioning that, did they send you the new one after all? and was it an ok process? (You shipped yours back and they didn't charge?) Nov 07 22:05:19 yeah Nov 07 22:05:30 ku Nov 07 22:05:37 they only charge it they dont receive it after 15 days Nov 07 22:06:06 wrea: well they don't think they ever received my original phone, so i don't totally trust them.. :) Nov 07 22:06:21 granted i probably should have shipped to the right addy like you advised, but.. :) Nov 07 22:06:59 hm. camera app on this pre doesn't work at all. Nov 07 22:07:40 EricBlade: what version os? Nov 07 22:07:53 1.4.5 Nov 07 22:07:57 any modifications? Nov 07 22:08:14 none other than meta-doctoring to allow account activation via wifi Nov 07 22:08:36 what do the logs say? ares logs Nov 07 22:09:42 it doesnt' launch or doesn't show what it sees? Nov 07 22:10:04 it's spamming "camd: warning: expected events not received during 3000 msecs" Nov 07 22:10:33 land systems? Nov 07 22:10:44 https://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ your using this? Nov 07 22:10:48 eek Nov 07 22:11:13 yes, thomas. it shows just a black screen, with the camera buttons, and if i hit the take picture button, then the program just locks up Nov 07 22:11:29 burn Nov 07 22:11:35 pre -? Nov 07 22:12:24 have you tried diagnosis in help? Nov 07 22:12:49 in devicd settings Nov 07 22:13:00 ugh.. Nov 07 22:16:32 EricBlade: worst case doctor the device and put 2.1 on it :) Nov 07 22:16:44 makes the device a but nicer Nov 07 22:17:09 i just doctored it to 1.4.5 so i'd have a device like users Nov 07 22:17:29 i've got a pre2 on the way too Nov 07 22:17:33 k Nov 07 22:20:15 the don't use the camera iguess Nov 07 22:20:16 well, it's technically not logged out, and the other device isn't logged in, so i'll hope for the best.. ta! Nov 07 22:20:47 has anyone thought of building a new keyboard for webos.. Nov 07 22:20:52 i miss 1.4.5, the battery life seemed much better.. thinking of putting my pre+ back on 1.4.5 and activating it to use as a mobile hotspot.. Nov 07 22:21:13 (that's got to be the cheapest mobile hotspot avail, assuming it still works? 7 gig for $30/mo? aye) Nov 07 22:21:23 (5+2, same diff :) Nov 07 22:21:32 if held with wide keyboard t,z,f,g,h,v,b are very hard to press Nov 07 22:21:56 EricBlade: i saw your post about pet features, i am surprised at myself for not having suggested any! :) Nov 07 23:14:24 http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html Nov 07 23:14:28 ^^ oil_ Nov 07 23:22:32 that must be the "validate an rfc822 compliant address in perl" page? Nov 07 23:30:08 ya that regex is hilarious Nov 07 23:31:20 if you squint, you can see a picture of Larry in that regexp Nov 07 23:44:27 http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/7/2545522/hp-selling-webos-rumor-reuters Nov 07 23:44:49 what's the HP-selling-webos rumor today? Nov 07 23:45:17 wow. colour me confused Nov 07 23:45:37 and i thought i understood regexp fairly well Nov 07 23:46:06 fxspec06: that's what most people think Nov 07 23:46:16 is there a way to eliminate all cookies an app might have? Nov 07 23:46:55 regexp is like. a badass mofo Nov 07 23:47:15 that don't take no crap out of nobody! Nov 07 23:47:23 if they're regular browser cookies, I have a js bookmarklet for my browser that might work for you Nov 07 23:47:42 http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/11/08/hp-considering-a-sale-of-webos-oracle-said-to-be-interested/ - heh, the rumour mill is crazy today Nov 07 23:47:47 http://xkcd.com/208/ Nov 07 23:47:59 if functions could be gangsters. regexp would be like, the mob boss Nov 07 23:48:51 EricBlade: lmfao Nov 07 23:50:16 lol Nov 07 23:54:02 hmm, i guess that perl regexp has a method to its madness though Nov 07 23:55:36 dwc-, LOL @ Oracle Nov 07 23:56:16 "Reuters claims to have four sources confirming the rumor" Nov 07 23:56:26 HP: "Yes, that is a rumor." Nov 07 23:56:32 nice spin Nov 08 00:00:17 i, too, can confirm with 100% certainty that it is, in fact, a rumor Nov 08 00:01:25 i wonder if they can sell it for more than what Leo got in bonuses when he left Nov 08 00:02:35 PuffTheMagic: that wasn't my link Nov 08 00:02:52 *those weren't my links Nov 08 00:03:48 LIAR! Nov 08 00:04:05 Oracle is the last place I want to see webOS go Nov 08 00:04:22 i've had a pre3 for 5 days now Nov 08 00:04:28 i havent turned it on yet Nov 08 00:04:37 I've got a veer sitting in a box Nov 08 00:05:23 I really wanted one, because I wanted T2S Nov 08 00:05:30 summatusmentis, too me a few months to turn on my veer for the first time Nov 08 00:05:36 s/too/took Nov 08 00:06:16 well, I bought a pre2 at the same time, and that I can use on Sprint Nov 08 00:07:13 i have a frankensprint2 also sitting in a pile of pre-'s Nov 08 00:07:32 5 days, eh. well if you're not going to use that pre3, you should pass it on to someone who will :p Nov 08 00:07:49 oh god not oracle Nov 08 00:07:50 dwc-, u gonna use a azerty pre3? Nov 08 00:07:58 sure, send it over Nov 08 00:08:16 dwc-, what would u do with it Nov 08 00:08:16 I can fix the keyboard map Nov 08 00:09:23 dunno, probably designate it for dev hacking, so I wouldn't be working on my primary phone :p Nov 08 00:09:43 dwc-, someday I will use it to fix freeTether so I stop getting emails from pre3 users about it not working Nov 08 00:10:09 but pre3 users arent really high on my list right now ;) Nov 08 00:10:21 I'm not sure I ever had FT and a SIM card in a pre3 at the same time Nov 08 00:10:44 i would almost put pre3 users in the same box as I put iphone and winmo users :D Nov 08 00:10:47 * PuffTheMagic hides Nov 08 00:11:01 wanted to deal with skype etc first Nov 08 00:11:03 dwc-, i dont have sim cards either Nov 08 00:12:04 my sim is still in a pre2 Nov 08 00:12:53 maybe if all 4.5mil webos users donated 5 dollars we could buy webos from HP Nov 08 00:13:10 not sure 22m is going to do it Nov 08 00:13:39 how many smartphones users are there estimated to be? Nov 08 00:13:41 and if it ends up owned by the community, nobody's going to ever make hardware for it Nov 08 00:13:43 think a company would pay for ahahhaha' Nov 08 00:13:58 dwc-, no one is going to make hardware for it anyway Nov 08 00:14:07 at least we could put it on other hw Nov 08 00:14:15 shhh, don't destroy other people's hopes Nov 08 00:14:50 hell, if I could put webOS on other(read: android) hardware, I'd be ok with that, I think Nov 08 00:14:54 dwc-, who is left to make hw for it that isnt in bed with google or ms? Nov 08 00:15:23 don't look at me, I don't have any ideas Nov 08 00:15:30 PuffTheMagic: Oracle, obviously Nov 08 00:15:43 they dont make smartphones Nov 08 00:15:56 if oracle buys it, you'll have to insert a coin to make a phone call Nov 08 00:16:10 if Oracle buys it, it'll cease to exist Nov 08 00:16:10 and another quarter if you want to use both cores Nov 08 00:16:31 summatusmentis, no one is gonna buy it and put it on a device Nov 08 00:16:35 period Nov 08 00:16:38 I know :( Nov 08 00:16:45 and instead of "Too Many Cards" you'll get an "ORA-23253" Nov 08 00:16:53 LOL Nov 08 00:17:16 lol Nov 08 00:18:16 with j2me Nov 08 00:18:44 http://www.precentral.net/reuters-hp-pondering-sale-webos-likely-net-hundreds-millions-dollars Nov 08 00:18:54 troll! Nov 08 00:19:11 nope Nov 08 00:19:19 they need to put it on ebay Nov 08 00:19:23 so WOSI can buy it Nov 08 00:19:42 rod wouldnt let us buy it for even 10 dollars Nov 08 00:20:11 for the same reason HP wont opensource it Nov 08 00:20:32 lol, HP couldnt give away webos Nov 08 00:20:50 HP: "Hey Rod, just say you'll buy it, you know... help drive the price up. Dude, you owe us!" Nov 08 00:21:01 for 1.2b, it'd be silly to open sourc enow Nov 08 00:21:03 source* Nov 08 00:21:06 they killed that dream Nov 08 00:21:07 I like WebOS Nov 08 00:21:30 nah, open source it first Nov 08 00:21:35 then when it doesn't make it, you sell to oracle Nov 08 00:21:41 let's all raise capitol to buy it as a community Nov 08 00:21:45 oh wait, SUNW already tried taht Nov 08 00:21:58 oracle doesn't need it Nov 08 00:22:58 seems easy to homebrew on. still buggy though Nov 08 00:23:55 you're right it should be open source Nov 08 00:24:25 open source it with some company backing it, like ubuntu does Nov 08 00:24:30 people have been clamoring for ibm to open source os/2 for 20 years Nov 08 00:24:45 i think the community could create something equal to andriod Nov 08 00:25:06 that would run on what? Nov 08 00:25:12 infidel, how is that possible, its already better than android Nov 08 00:25:28 we cuold make it run on that open source cpu that people were talking about a while back.:| Nov 08 00:25:29 open-source hardware/software phones have been tried... I can't think of the names of them anymore, because they didn't make it Nov 08 00:25:50 it deployed systems Nov 08 00:25:50 openmoko Nov 08 00:26:05 yea, that one Nov 08 00:26:10 dwc-, there is no way opensource webos could do worse than when HPalm owned it Nov 08 00:26:23 agreed Nov 08 00:26:25 man, people and their google voices Nov 08 00:26:32 dwc-: and the Trolltech Greenphone Nov 08 00:26:33 and it could run on any unlocked device theoretically Nov 08 00:26:33 it's definitely not a voip service.. Nov 08 00:26:42 rwhitby, where in aus are you? I'll patch and send you a very very very pre-release (but otherwise basically functional) weatherwatch :D Nov 08 00:26:44 * fxspec06 sigh Nov 08 00:27:01 Freman: Adelaide Nov 08 00:27:04 linux rocks Nov 08 00:27:07 (it's missing the configuration screen ;) Nov 08 00:27:14 what else... we've got... tuxphone Nov 08 00:27:14 i really hope i dont have to deal with that windows mobile style flashing of devices again Nov 08 00:29:03 it's always possible the next iteration will do better, but I don't think it's an automatic "we can do better (and succeed at it)" Nov 08 00:29:34 i just dont want to see it sit on a shelf Nov 08 00:29:59 there are only a few pieces they would need to opensource to let us build the ui Nov 08 00:30:08 most of the lower level shit we could then make our own versions of Nov 08 00:31:00 to keep same design in hardware, a hardware company would have to buy it Nov 08 00:31:35 the hardware is what caused webos to fail Nov 08 00:31:44 so keeping same design would be a bad thing Nov 08 00:33:08 but saying that, android hardware is like a stab in the dark, Nov 08 00:34:08 you have these "expensive" flagship androiod phones and the cheap as chips, nokia basic replacements, the user experience isnt the same Nov 08 00:34:44 webos 3.x already removed the gesture area which was unique on the 2.x based palm/hp phones Nov 08 00:35:01 assuming we would start with 3.x on a android device everything would be fine Nov 08 00:35:11 they all have at least 1 button Nov 08 00:35:14 for home Nov 08 00:35:22 to bring up launcher Nov 08 00:35:29 and the rest coulld be custom mapped Nov 08 00:35:31 its hard to use gesture on a tablet though so that makes sense Nov 08 00:35:42 no it's not :x Nov 08 00:35:52 but its gone, so its not really an issue Nov 08 00:35:57 just reserve a small bit of the touchscreen on the bottom for a gesture area Nov 08 00:36:07 in a set area like on the phones, everyone holds it a different way Nov 08 00:36:43 or forget about it cause its gone Nov 08 00:39:54 heh, sa's warnings are completely different to ours in qld... even the rss links are different... Nov 08 00:40:12 maybe I'll just link out to the warnings instead of trying to process and proxy them Nov 08 00:42:48 anyone here working with OpenAL on webOS? Nov 08 00:53:42 just wondering if any flavor of ALUT exists on webOS 2.x since i don't find a header file for it in the pdk Nov 08 01:20:56 lol it's my Scrim that's making the pre's screen all white. grrrr. Nov 08 01:22:21 heh Nov 08 01:27:31 hmm. my scrollers are slow as hell on pre Nov 08 02:06:40 dang it feels good to code again Nov 08 02:07:05 [18:44] anyone here working with OpenAL on webOS? Nov 08 02:07:14 [18:55] just wondering if any flavor of ALUT exists on webOS 2.x since i don't find a header file for it in the pdk Nov 08 02:09:40 anyone actually try to submit a Enyo app for older devices yet? Nov 08 02:20:29 * EricBlade smh at all the people with 1 post on the dev forums now Nov 08 02:23:47 i haven't tried, i would have to err make it compatible first. which i need time in order to do so. i haven't perfected my time machine yet, or my cloning device =( Nov 08 02:24:43 and were you ever going to perfect your time machine, then you would've come back in time to give it to yourself, so you'd have been able to use it now. Nov 08 02:24:53 so, that's bad news for your time machine aspirations Nov 08 02:27:05 EricBlade: one would hope that DevRel knows who the real developers are, and who the 1-post-to-get-a-cheap-touchpad signups are Nov 08 02:27:36 okay, I give up....cut-rate VPS hosting plan would be okay IF the "live support" people are worth a shit Nov 08 02:27:52 but, since they're not....time to find another solution Nov 08 02:29:05 heh Nov 08 02:35:10 these clowns can't even tell me how to get the EPP codes to transfer my domains....w t h? Nov 08 02:35:16 maybe if Oracle buys webOS, the SQL bugs will get fixed. (j/k..) Nov 08 02:35:21 lol Nov 08 02:35:41 i bet they would, EricBlade. i bet they would. Nov 08 02:36:09 actually was just reading on the forums, ben said they had tracked the big one down Nov 08 02:38:46 * fxspec06 wonders if webos will ever get better html5 audio treatment Nov 08 02:46:43 * nebula can only home Nov 08 02:46:47 s/home/hope Nov 08 02:47:09 i noticed that it functions in 3.0.4, that's an improvement Nov 08 02:48:02