**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 09 02:59:57 2011 Nov 09 03:01:13 hmm. why have identical "ToolInput" and "ToolInputBox" ... Nov 09 03:01:37 nvm they aren't Nov 09 03:05:56 hmm. only difference is some css Nov 09 03:11:04 oohh the phone enyo is missing the emoticons Nov 09 03:12:05 not that our apps can access them anyway Nov 09 03:16:43 non-ascii characters display as blocks in banner for incoming sms/im message. restarting luna get over this issue for a while but it will happen later. any fix this this? Nov 09 03:17:45 oh LOL Nov 09 03:18:00 if i type long enough that the input would scroll off screen.. then the whole screen scrolls Nov 09 03:19:11 and the entire app is now off center, and won't return properly Nov 09 03:33:40 wow the touchpad mic is sensitive Nov 09 03:41:50 yes Nov 09 03:48:16 rubber Nov 09 03:48:34 theres a mic? Nov 09 03:50:05 haha, n00b Nov 09 03:51:50 i just posted a video to demonstrate my bug that i was talking about, and in some cases, the touchpad mic was picking up the sound of my finger sliding across the face of the pre Nov 09 03:55:42 anyone here working w/OpenAL on webOS devices? are the header files in PDK/include/AL insufficient to use OpenAL effects (e.g. reverb, pitch shift etc)? Nov 09 03:56:41 well, so, one thing they did say about webOS today, new phones are unlikely to come from HP Nov 09 03:56:50 no change there Nov 09 03:56:59 but who else would make phones? Nov 09 03:57:18 rwhitby: not a change, just an official statement Nov 09 03:59:05 i think the last statement of firing the hardware team was pretty official Nov 09 03:59:07 summatusmentis: there was no official statement of anything in today's news Nov 09 03:59:37 rwhitby: alright, good point Nov 09 03:59:51 I just want something definitive Nov 09 03:59:56 waaaaah Nov 09 03:59:59 you won't get it Nov 09 04:00:02 I know Nov 09 04:00:10 definitive answers are only allowed to Apple customers Nov 09 04:00:20 EricBlade: and they're always "no" :) Nov 09 04:00:45 seriously, I find it incredulous that anyone believed that any news of any kind could come from an all-hands meeting. There are SEC rules that require companies to inform the market before their own staff of any market-impacting news. Nov 09 04:00:47 you're understanding this business Nov 09 04:01:14 really? I didn't realize that Nov 09 04:01:15 therefore, there could be no market-impacting news arising from an all-hands meeting. Nov 09 04:01:43 well, wouldn't after markets close meet that criteria? Nov 09 04:02:06 i think they could've done the "hey you're all getting pink slips" followed by a press conf. Nov 09 04:02:29 EricBlade: I believe the press release has to come first. Nov 09 04:02:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_FD Nov 09 04:03:09 bartholemew: thanks Nov 09 04:03:54 SEC rules plus the actions of a leaker are what we have to thank for the uber messy hardware biz exit, firesale, and confusion Nov 09 04:03:57 at least partially Nov 09 04:04:05 i don't think the "after markets close" thing was anything other than something some media threw in there. The majority of Palm people probably work 9-5 or some thereabouts, so if you're going to have a 30 minute group, have it at 4:30 Nov 09 04:04:07 (there is also of course HP's board) Nov 09 04:04:27 i just hope the leaker is proud of their handiwork (not) xP Nov 09 04:04:49 LOL, never piss off my brother Nov 09 04:05:04 sprint just told him they are canceling our detailed billing Nov 09 04:05:08 and going to summary Nov 09 04:05:12 at the end of the year Nov 09 04:05:27 lol puff, that reminds me of a joke Nov 09 04:05:27 so he wrote a script to call his voice mail every 10 sec Nov 09 04:05:45 OpenAL? anyone? linking to effects calls? Nov 09 04:05:46 so from 2am 6am we can make 1400 calls Nov 09 04:05:58 which is 30 pages of bills Nov 09 04:06:11 in 1 night Nov 09 04:06:18 cause they can only fit 48 calls per page Nov 09 04:06:24 it's too long to type in IRC, but it's the one that ends with "Don't fk with Uncle Bob when he's been drinking." Nov 09 04:06:33 he is going to try and make the bill not fit in a standard envelope Nov 09 04:10:33 PuffTheMagic: thereby proving to them that they are doing the right thing by forcing you to go do summary billing? Nov 09 04:20:57 i love it when ben talks about "future OS releases". Nov 09 04:23:25 rwhitby: Oh snap Nov 09 04:34:12 lol Nov 09 04:36:13 [23:10:00] PuffTheMagic: thereby proving to them that they are doing the right thing by forcing you to go do summary billing? <-- exactly Nov 09 04:36:30 I think that wasn't thought through very well Nov 09 04:37:34 hmm. i just got the "fuzzy sound" issue on my touchpad. I plugged in the USB to attempt to login to it to see if I could diagnose, and it went away. Nov 09 04:38:03 usb = electric razor Nov 09 04:38:06 no more fuzz Nov 09 04:38:18 anything come up in /var/log/messeges ? Nov 09 04:40:55 EricBlade: you may be on to something Nov 09 04:41:33 i didn't actually login to it and look, but i will have a peek. Nov 09 04:42:09 lots of dropped packets Nov 09 04:44:56 I noticed the sound problem on a dashboard update, only thing I see is (node_spawner) PJSON src/pjson_c/jobject.c:1886 :: Trying to access 0 as a number Nov 09 04:46:56 some LunaInterfaceModemInfo errors Nov 09 04:48:42 oh wait Nov 09 04:51:36 http://pastebin.com/gmDUw2J4 Nov 09 04:52:09 thats normal Nov 09 04:52:12 I get those all the time Nov 09 04:53:01 going back quite a way, that's the only time that i see that it happened repeatedly, and the sound was fuzzy during the notification that next played Nov 09 04:53:21 there are several other instances where it only happened once Nov 09 04:54:02 I wonder if something does get logged when it happens it doesnt when you have the muffle patches applied Nov 09 05:25:38 OpenAL? anyone? ALUT availability on the device? Nov 09 05:26:15 bartholemew: I've never seen any references to ALUT Nov 09 05:26:57 bartholemew: grab and unpack a doctor and look for libraries might be easiest Nov 09 05:48:14 I think I'm going to build an auto-dim into my app Nov 09 05:48:42 if I can't control the touchpad brightness... then I'll simply render a translucent black cover over the entire app Nov 09 05:59:58 Freman, why cant the user choose their own brightness? Nov 09 06:00:08 Freman: you could build a preware patch for your app Nov 09 06:00:18 or let the user decide Nov 09 06:00:36 PuffTheMagic, the autodim is because I tend to leave the thing on overnight next to my bed - I'll make the autodim time configurable... Nov 09 06:01:05 and stuff the user, I write for me - if someone else wants it they're welcome to it Nov 09 06:01:14 sounds like a job for modesetter or somethjing Nov 09 06:01:37 or I can just overlay at 11pm... Nov 09 06:01:45 * Freman goes home Nov 09 06:44:03 i'm perplexed Nov 09 06:44:11 i applied for one of the touchpad dev coupons Nov 09 06:44:20 gave my dev username Nov 09 06:44:33 and they replied "What is your developer ID" Nov 09 06:44:35 my what? Nov 09 06:53:03 Not sure Nov 09 06:53:10 but then I've yet to actually submit an app :x Nov 09 07:02:15 cxreg: your developer id is the user name for the dev portal Nov 09 07:02:29 that's what i thought, and what i said Nov 09 07:02:34 shrug Nov 09 07:02:52 are you sure it's a developer account and not just a regular user account? Nov 09 07:02:58 yes. Nov 09 07:03:02 :P Nov 09 07:03:10 then that should be it Nov 09 07:03:54 converting legacy scm repos to git is like shining a high powered flashlight into history. so impressive. Nov 09 09:39:44 ok this is freakin sweet. free SIP service, free forwarding, all hooked up to GVoice. Nov 09 09:39:54 and Linphone Nov 09 09:41:53 woo hoo wifi phone Nov 09 09:47:46 oh nice! Nov 09 09:48:03 Is this on a webOS device? Nov 09 09:56:57 dkirker: yes it is! Nov 09 09:57:05 a Pre Nov 09 09:57:22 Oh yeah. With the webosinternals linphone? Nov 09 09:58:02 yeah, that and gvoice running on the bing maps-enhanced enyo Nov 09 09:58:16 I have been meaning to trying to get linphone working again on the Pre3... Nov 09 09:59:35 only problem i have is that it can't do DTMF Nov 09 10:01:19 my gf is like "why do you even care, you haven't made a voice call in months that wasn't part of your job" .. .. because this is like the holy grail for google voice users. Nov 09 10:01:31 haha Nov 09 10:05:00 i wonder what the obstacles are to getting this on touchpad .. Nov 09 10:05:40 dunno. Init scripts? Nov 09 10:07:33 oooh, touchpad dev coupons, any chance of pre dev coupons, I have a touchpad :D Nov 09 10:15:38 i think someone said that it just wouldn't init on touchpads Nov 09 10:16:10 Freman: i managed to net myself a free Pre and Pre 2 .. so.. other people can manage the same i'm sure Nov 09 10:37:00 hello Nov 09 11:06:09 please, guys. Yesterday I bought an HP Veer 4G that was supposed to be unlocked, but I think it is locked. I called ATˆ&T and their system doesnt have the unlock code for my IMEI. What should I do? Nov 09 11:12:18 hmm Nov 09 11:12:47 astruasdh you can ulock it on some webpage for 30$ Nov 09 11:13:15 but is it safe to give my IMEI for others? Nov 09 11:13:30 on ebay are some guys they will send you unlock code for $13-$15 Nov 09 11:14:01 but there's another option Nov 09 11:14:05 wait a sec Nov 09 11:15:20 http://dogber1.blogspot.com/2011/07/unlocker-for-palm-pre-gsm-phones.html Nov 09 11:17:19 but i don't know any reason why you can't give someone your imei, I have no knowledge about Nov 09 11:17:35 thanks! Nov 09 11:25:25 np Nov 09 11:25:41 i'm waiting for my veer Nov 09 11:25:43 :) Nov 09 11:26:08 it is on customs clearance right now Nov 09 11:27:15 awesome... I bought mine at orlando's airport, but the bitch told it was unlocked Nov 09 11:28:34 hmm. screenshot on Pre is orange+Sym+P ? Nov 09 11:28:50 yes Nov 09 11:29:08 EricBlade not working ? Nov 09 11:29:16 does that lock up the device for many seconds normally? Nov 09 11:29:24 sometimes I get no photo sound Nov 09 11:29:47 oh lol it took 76 of them Nov 09 11:29:58 screenshots ? Nov 09 11:30:02 yeah Nov 09 11:30:05 lol Nov 09 11:30:37 EricBlade and what's with lock screen ? Nov 09 11:31:01 i.. don't know? Nov 09 11:31:16 not locking ? Nov 09 11:31:47 i think that if you have phone on cable, is not locking Nov 09 11:33:23 astruasdh for what price you have buyed veer ? Nov 09 11:33:36 250$ Nov 09 11:49:56 yay it is -so- much easier submitting screenshots for a phone when you actually have a phone to take them with Nov 09 11:59:55 heh Nov 09 12:01:58 hey Nov 09 12:02:45 when I turned on my mobile phone (hp veer), it asked me to create a profile. But did not find the network. is it possible to use my wifi network to this? Nov 09 12:03:34 no Nov 09 12:03:37 no normally Nov 09 12:03:53 so it means that I really have a locked phone ? Nov 09 12:04:13 you have to put in sim card with some internet connection Nov 09 12:04:30 use #*DEVMODE# and Impostah Nov 09 12:04:35 you don't need a sim card Nov 09 12:04:45 sorry i forgot Nov 09 12:04:51 I have a simcard, but not an at&t one Nov 09 12:05:05 I dont know if my phone is really blocked or if I am doing something wrong Nov 09 12:05:17 you have to create your palm profile Nov 09 12:05:52 after that will be phone usable without internet too Nov 09 12:06:25 yeah, I filed the data in the forms, but when I finished it wrote "checking email" and the a network problem error appeared Nov 09 12:06:33 for the phone to be useable, the carrier lock needs to be removed Nov 09 12:06:59 how do I know if I really have a carrier lock? Nov 09 12:07:19 I clicked the emergency call, and type a random number... it asked me for an unblock code. is it blocked? Nov 09 12:07:32 unlock or unblock? two very different things Nov 09 12:07:49 unblock Nov 09 12:08:00 unblock with a *B* ? Nov 09 12:08:06 yeah Nov 09 12:08:13 you're 1000% sure about that? Nov 09 12:08:26 yeah, but let me double check now Nov 09 12:08:35 if so, you're screwed Nov 09 12:08:38 I am inserting the sim card, please, wait a moment Nov 09 12:09:18 it first asked me the network pin Nov 09 12:10:19 if you get the unlock code wrong too many times, the phone is the *B*locked. Then you are screwed. Nov 09 12:10:40 rwhitby it's not way to unblock it ? Nov 09 12:12:17 I will tell all things I am seeing Nov 09 12:12:26 I inserted the sim card and turned on Nov 09 12:13:09 it is appearing the HP logo blinking (the phone is powering on) Nov 09 12:13:28 now I am in the Palm Profile screen Nov 09 12:14:06 I have 3 options: sign in to my profile, create a new profie and "tell me more". threre is also a small phone symbol at the bottom-right Nov 09 12:14:20 where should I clock? Nov 09 12:14:23 *click Nov 09 12:14:53 in the top left I can read "Network search..." Nov 09 12:18:45 Type #* on the keyboard, the phone dial pad will appear. Nov 09 12:19:07 Continue to type the rest of #*3386633# (the #* should already be showing) on the dial pad and hit the green phone key to dial the number. Nov 09 12:20:11 done Nov 09 12:20:23 The "Developer Mode" app will open. Turn on Developer Mode. Do NOT set a password. Your device will reboot. Nov 09 12:20:33 enter unblock code Nov 09 12:20:59 and below contact you carrier for unblock code Nov 09 12:21:29 i don't know what you can do with blocked phone Nov 09 12:21:43 ow, fuck... dont do that with me Nov 09 12:21:45 hehe Nov 09 12:22:59 hehe Nov 09 12:23:03 but Nov 09 12:23:17 is there a hardware reset option or something? Nov 09 12:23:45 http://dogber1.blogspot.com/2011/07/unlocker-for-palm-pre-gsm-phones.html Nov 09 12:23:52 read this Nov 09 12:24:02 there are people with blocked phones Nov 09 12:24:33 in comments, but i don't know if dogbert helped them Nov 09 12:27:13 panel: can I do the procedure you told me without the sim card? Nov 09 12:27:24 yes Nov 09 12:27:37 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/281075-global-paid-app-catalog-access-new-unlocked-gsm-pre-2-pre-3-veer-using-impostah.html#post2945170 Nov 09 12:27:46 here's full manual Nov 09 12:28:29 ty Nov 09 12:28:37 np Nov 09 12:29:01 I will also try calling HP today Nov 09 12:32:13 rwhitby how many time you can insert unlocking code till you block phone ? Nov 09 12:32:57 10 times Nov 09 12:33:09 thanks Nov 09 12:33:16 hey, worked without the sim card uhull Nov 09 12:33:23 I'm in developer mode Nov 09 12:33:30 i'm preparing for my veer Nov 09 12:33:31 :D Nov 09 12:33:43 try to install preware and impostah Nov 09 12:34:08 I dont like the idea of installing 3rd party software... what kind of software are those? Nov 09 12:35:13 http://preware.org/#/index/ Nov 09 12:36:23 hey panel, the phone bypassed the profile creation in developer mode Nov 09 12:36:39 yes Nov 09 12:36:40 can I out the sim and use it in dev mode? Nov 09 12:36:43 *put Nov 09 12:36:54 i dont know Nov 09 12:38:10 try Nov 09 12:39:00 connected to wifi Nov 09 12:39:15 now I will turn off and try using the sim Nov 09 12:40:15 to all: any news about tp dev coupons ? Nov 09 12:42:24 panel: impostah is another software? Nov 09 12:42:32 panel: or it come with the phone? Nov 09 12:43:29 impostah is not in, it's in preware catalog Nov 09 12:46:08 panel: they are first come first serve, if your email landed in the right place to begin with, you should receive a notification Nov 09 12:46:14 either that you do or do not get a coupon Nov 09 12:47:00 EricBlade somebody have received ? Nov 09 12:47:33 yes people have received their coupons Nov 09 12:48:03 that's some people, i couldn't say that everyone has. i have no information to that effect Nov 09 12:48:28 it's probably all being done by hand, might take some time Nov 09 12:48:41 EricBlade thanks for info Nov 09 12:49:19 panel: it turned on, but asked me for the unblock code Nov 09 12:49:19 i'm dissapointed because last weekend I was off the internet Nov 09 12:49:52 is there some possibility for this to be the PUK? Nov 09 12:49:53 o.O only way i'm spending a weekend offline is if I have a whole lot of alcohol Nov 09 12:50:12 EricBlade :D Nov 09 12:51:28 was working on my summerhouse Nov 09 12:51:47 no time to alcohol consumation :)) Nov 09 12:55:40 rwhitby: I am screwed Nov 09 13:20:00 panel: I turned off the dev mode, but the phone starts always inside the OS hehe. how to reset it? Nov 09 14:39:07 can webos use network over bluetooth, using network from pc? Nov 09 15:36:44 omg rumor hp is reported to be thinking about selling or keeping webos Nov 09 15:37:39 omg what? Nov 09 15:38:40 HP is reported to be trying to decide wether to keep webOS or sell webOS. what a great story Nov 09 15:38:47 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-news/306367-whitman-touchpad-2-0-could-come-new-bidders.html Nov 09 15:39:05 http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e19/06Black/100_0444.jpg Nov 09 15:39:07 noobs Nov 09 15:39:25 theres a foot in the photo.. and it was taken 02/15/2041 Nov 09 15:39:38 dude, did you get me anything from 2041 Nov 09 15:39:47 because if you didn't, we're so not friends Nov 09 15:41:46 fxspec06, if its not on the front page of P|C i dont read it Nov 09 15:41:53 omg really, welcome to like 3 months ago Nov 09 15:46:34 wtf was that Nov 09 15:46:45 facebook just made an old atari sound Nov 09 15:47:33 no idea why Nov 09 16:07:46 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/steve_jobs_wins_adobe_to_give_up_mobile_flash_for.php - dead! Nov 09 16:08:00 Flash, that it Nov 09 16:08:52 is* Nov 09 16:10:00 thats not it Nov 09 16:10:10 microsoft is suspending dev on silverlight too Nov 09 16:14:46 cause html5 is the new standard! Nov 09 16:20:07 silverlight.. did that ever work? Nov 09 16:20:30 how did that go for MS Nov 09 16:23:49 netflix uses it Nov 09 16:23:58 and microsoft sites Nov 09 16:42:41 silverlight never got enough market penetration to matter much Nov 09 16:43:16 it's used in a few scattered places, especially where companies have existing business logic written in .net OR they want to use microsoft's DRM Nov 09 17:00:10 directhex: i think i've only ever seen it on microsoft's own sites ;-) Nov 09 17:01:50 netflix, a few radio stations & tv stations Nov 09 17:01:56 itv.com used to use it Nov 09 17:26:46 say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Nov 09 18:31:32 is there a list of xecutah's sym+X key mappings anywhere? i've got P for pipe, but the rest are kinda unknown Nov 09 18:43:28 Hello, someone know where the hp touchpad can be purchased online ? Nov 09 18:44:16 lol Nov 09 18:44:25 ebay Nov 09 18:44:33 hahaha, good luck! Nov 09 19:07:33 there are plenty on ebay Nov 09 19:29:37 * EricBlade wonders if rwatkins is around and has a minute Nov 09 19:29:44 sora Nov 09 19:29:47 sorta Nov 09 19:30:12 paper mache uses a 2-pane setup, right? Nov 09 19:30:24 no, three Nov 09 19:31:09 and that's working decently on phones? nice. i didn't think three pane worked, when i tried my relatively simple three-pane app, it just came up all white. could be something else entirely Nov 09 19:31:35 ya, worked pretty much outta the box on both TP and phones Nov 09 19:32:14 next time you're messing around with it on a phone, any chance you could insert a "Input" kind on each of the panes, and see if the whole app tries to scroll off screen if you type beyond the end of the input box? Nov 09 19:32:57 hey guys! just wanted to share with you that since I released reviewtomail.com with touchpad support the number of users has doubled :) Nov 09 19:33:10 thanks for that - although I don't gain a cent from it ;) Nov 09 19:33:10 there is a ToolSearchInput on the first pane. doesnt have that issue Nov 09 19:33:50 there is no input on the 2 other views Nov 09 19:33:58 yeah my search input on the left pane doesn't have that issue either, but my toolinput on the right hand side does, it also does if i move it outside of the toolbar and into the main area Nov 09 19:34:25 it also does it if i use a regular input vs a toolinput Nov 09 19:34:32 build a bare bones example and post to the forums Nov 09 19:34:42 only on the phone though? Nov 09 19:35:00 only on phones, including pre3 Nov 09 19:35:14 hm. unlikely to get much love fixing it then :/ Nov 09 19:36:21 yeah it's probably some kind of webkit issue, but i'm having the needle in a haystack problem trying to find something related to it via google Nov 09 19:41:12 thomaschaaf: cheers. now if only we had a real rss feed. ;) Nov 09 19:41:47 and a catalog that was more useful from somewhere other than the device Nov 09 19:42:04 one thing after another Nov 09 19:42:57 Sadly I have to work too Nov 09 19:43:26 am studing in uni and have a social life Nov 09 19:43:56 hopefully uni will be finished in 3 years.. Nov 09 19:44:01 so after that ;) Nov 09 19:45:03 EricBlade: why do you need rss? Nov 09 19:45:06 I have never used it :( Nov 09 19:45:15 I always thought RSS was bullshit to be honest Nov 09 19:45:26 Twitter is the better RSS for what I need. Nov 09 19:45:40 if there's an rss feed pumping out all the apps, we can monitor it directly Nov 09 19:45:52 what do you want to monitor? Nov 09 19:46:01 the whole catalog :) Nov 09 19:46:25 you want a global review feed?.. Nov 09 19:46:31 why would someone want that.. Nov 09 19:46:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7_6to6eRMos Nov 09 19:47:36 dawm: :D Nov 09 19:47:53 i just put a digorno pizza in the oven ironically Nov 09 19:47:53 thomaschaaf! Nov 09 19:48:18 akanster: ? Nov 09 19:48:47 review to mail user here Nov 09 19:49:02 I simply don't like to build in a function as an API call if someone is going to waste their life looking at comments made to random apps.. Nov 09 19:49:04 * EricBlade just received a large box in the mail.. what does it hve in it... Nov 09 19:49:29 akanster: :) Nov 09 19:49:46 * akanster == dohtem Nov 09 19:49:50 akanster: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=18978&p=95666#p95666 I think they have like buttons there Nov 09 19:50:08 a pre plus? Nov 09 19:50:26 I guess not Nov 09 19:50:37 pre 2 and pre plus are not the same thing right Nov 09 19:50:40 what does anyone want to do with a shitte pre plus Nov 09 19:50:43 no Nov 09 19:50:58 i was told this was a pre 2 :( oh well, it's free Nov 09 19:51:06 pre2 = like iphone1 and pre - and plus like plastic bull Nov 09 19:51:48 pre3 like iphone 4 :) Nov 09 19:52:59 well there goes 8 bucks in pre2 specific accessories i bought Nov 09 19:53:39 EricBlade: sell unopened on ebay->aquire pre3 Nov 09 19:54:46 EricBlade: something like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Pre-3-8gb-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-/270846226179?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3f0fb16f03#ht_500wt_1287 Nov 09 19:54:47 keyboard and sliding action on it are much better than the sprint pre Nov 09 19:55:22 I had all pres Nov 09 19:55:24 *have Nov 09 19:55:53 not happy with pre2 because of one reason Nov 09 19:55:57 camera fucking sucks Nov 09 19:56:12 hmm. first GSM device i've ever owned. don't these things normally come with a sim card? Nov 09 19:56:22 EricBlade: no Nov 09 19:56:30 EricBlade: sim cards belong to the carrier -> Nov 09 19:56:37 got to att or t-mobile Nov 09 19:56:45 att has 3g t-mobile does not Nov 09 19:57:28 i'll need some prepaid something or other Nov 09 19:57:51 EricBlade if your don't mind edge get tmo's 30 a month prepaid Nov 09 19:58:08 30 usd !? what the hell.. wow Nov 09 19:58:34 100 minutes, unlimited texts, and 5GB of 4GB/unlimited edge data Nov 09 19:58:39 maying 6 € a month.. + 9 cents per minute on outgoing calls. Nov 09 19:58:51 with 1 GB 3g Internets Nov 09 19:59:05 unlimited edge Nov 09 19:59:26 ok, so, i should've paid attention earlier today when someone was talking about bypassing the activation stuff, can i meta-doctor around the sim-card requirement? Nov 09 19:59:38 yep Nov 09 19:59:49 oh .. wait.. the phone is doing something Nov 09 19:59:49 -> webos-internals Nov 09 19:59:56 A Mozilla engineer's experience with the Veer - http://paulrouget.com/e/mobilewebapps/ Nov 09 20:00:17 bah it shut itself down Nov 09 20:01:16 well maybe i'll just do what i did with this Sprint Pre and turn it into a WiFi phone Nov 09 20:05:25 hmm. devmode hack doesn't work, USSD request failed, Network failure. Nov 09 20:11:15 so the pre plus native is 1.4.5 also? Nov 09 20:12:34 yep Nov 09 20:12:39 but you can upgraed to 2.1. Nov 09 20:13:45 Has anyone gotten the Touchpad codes yet? Still waiting for mine. Nov 09 20:14:03 some people have received dev coupons, first in, first out Nov 09 20:14:07 I thought they were all gone Nov 09 20:14:25 at least the last info that I heard Nov 09 20:14:49 I thought we would have gotten an email saying "sorry..." or something Nov 09 20:14:56 to many.. Nov 09 20:15:07 + maybe in 4 weeks they'll send more Nov 09 20:15:18 it's a billion dollor question.. Nov 09 20:16:33 They should of had a registration that automatically closed based on the supply they have Nov 09 20:16:38 want! http://www.webos-blog.de/2011-11-03-webos-synergy-bald-mit-twitter-integration/ Nov 09 20:16:39 would have been much simpler Nov 09 20:17:18 Fredflinston: not from a corperate view Nov 09 20:17:32 this may make sense for a customer but not for the company Nov 09 20:17:59 I bet there is a person picking companies he/she likes first Nov 09 20:18:26 then it goes by first come, first server Nov 09 20:18:27 -r Nov 09 20:18:33 Is this really for big companies though? I thought it was mainly for the garage dev. Nov 09 20:18:53 why big? Nov 09 20:19:04 they should have some qualifiers, like dev registration date Nov 09 20:19:12 or serious multi person companies Nov 09 20:19:17 they probably do Nov 09 20:19:21 (some registered just so they could get devices) Nov 09 20:19:28 yep Nov 09 20:19:34 I'm pretty sure they do Nov 09 20:19:41 and it is sorted by registration date Nov 09 20:19:47 then filtered for duplicates Nov 09 20:19:59 i read some of the comments on slickdeals and got very irritated Nov 09 20:20:10 especially if they get them and i don't Nov 09 20:20:18 then sorted by people who also have apps out.. Nov 09 20:20:21 and i've been TRYING to get one BEFORE the firesale Nov 09 20:20:22 I admit that I registered to get a device, but I am a developer. Just not a webos one. I would like to develop but I need a webos device. It is a catch 22. Nov 09 20:20:32 probably some score connected with each account Nov 09 20:20:38 at least that's how I would have done it Nov 09 20:21:28 HattCzech_work: write them an email with a long explanation why you would like one. Send your address in it Nov 09 20:22:38 i do have one, i was just going to get one for my brother... and buy it with the developer discount Nov 09 20:23:08 HAHA Nov 09 20:23:10 someone from a&m... hello tmandry Nov 09 20:23:37 probably you got sorted out ;) Nov 09 20:26:36 Very confusing this.... Not expecting anything. I am just going to casually check my email. Nov 09 21:00:31 hmm. i probably should've asked if it's going to be possible to activate these phones without re-doctoring them to stock Nov 09 21:00:51 EricBlade: Which? Nov 09 21:01:06 sprint and att pre and pre plus, doctoring past activation Nov 09 21:02:19 you should only need to put it in devmode to skip activation, no? Nov 09 21:02:37 and yes, all you have to do is a full erase to reset them to needing activation Nov 09 21:03:31 i think the devmode codes require 2.x Nov 09 21:03:36 aww Nov 09 21:06:32 ugh, full erase? can't be activated by the carrier from the dialpad or something? Nov 09 21:06:44 or does just putting a sim in make it work Nov 09 21:06:49 for the att model Nov 09 21:08:23 dunno Nov 09 21:08:27 I've only got a pre2 Nov 09 21:11:40 hmm. the volume on the pre plus doesn't work Nov 09 21:11:44 just shows a mute icon Nov 09 21:12:08 ah, hardware switch. derp Nov 09 21:13:13 hmm. first use won't let me run it without a sim card Nov 09 21:15:11 try typing ##DEVMODE# Nov 09 21:15:16 even without it showing anything Nov 09 21:15:49 on the pre2, it sits at the pic showing you how to put in a SIM, you just type ##D and it'll switch over to a dial pad where you can finish typing ##DEVMODE# on it Nov 09 21:16:02 I always forget which one needs ## and which one is #* Nov 09 21:16:12 Hm. Nov 09 21:16:14 Maybe #* Nov 09 21:16:23 it's a carrier thing Nov 09 21:16:31 one is for GSM and the other CDMA Nov 09 21:16:40 but I am still a complete mobild phone n00b Nov 09 21:16:46 which is kind of funny Nov 09 21:20:14 hmm. on the Sprint, i was able to just doctor it to bypass activation, then i could run First Use seperately to get my palm account associated Nov 09 21:20:37 guess i'll need to at least obtain a sim card Nov 09 21:21:09 you should be able to meta-doctor past first use without a sim....maybe? Nov 09 21:21:19 yeah i'm into the phone Nov 09 21:21:26 but i can't register with palm Nov 09 21:21:57 oh I see...yeah Nov 09 21:22:03 will need a sim for that Nov 09 21:24:18 at least the camera on this one works yay Nov 09 21:33:08 GLaDOS, ## is cdma and #* is gms Nov 09 21:33:41 RagingMind: grassy-ass Nov 09 21:35:44 sweet, got linphone working on both Nov 09 21:39:45 pre plus was a major improvement it seems like. Nov 09 21:40:25 I had the best upgrade experience possible, Pre- -> Pre3 Nov 09 21:41:02 these really don't feel like 2 year old devices. Nov 09 21:47:00 EricBlade, I still love my Pre+ but I still am planning on getting a Pre3 sometime soonish Nov 09 21:57:46 oooh evaporative coffee - practically inhaled the wake up Nov 09 22:40:25 hmm. removing the ancient screen protector and applying a little windex to this sprint pre made it almost look as nice as the pre plus. just like washing your car makes it go faster. Nov 09 22:46:47 EricBlade: Newtonian physics! Nov 09 23:00:12 really open-ended app hack this week Nov 09 23:20:18 is beats audio hardware or software? Nov 09 23:47:59 dev portal is down Nov 09 23:48:02 anyone ever plugged in a touchpad and had the notification icon button blink alternating left and right? Nov 09 23:49:03 so is my credit union site Nov 09 23:52:54 HattCzech_work: yes, that means it's charging Nov 09 23:53:29 rwhitby: good, i'd never let it die before Nov 09 23:53:56 this one is a friend's, and he has android on there, so just wanted to make sure he didn't break it Nov 09 23:57:42 dev portal is up for me Nov 10 00:00:21 definitely not for me. Nov 10 00:00:34 well, I blame you, then Nov 10 00:33:32 it's down for my other friend too Nov 10 00:33:43 what the fuck Nov 10 00:33:53 i know, right. Nov 10 00:33:57 sugardave tagged leo apotheker in a photo of my back yard on facebook Nov 10 00:34:06 lmfao Nov 10 00:34:08 :O Nov 10 00:34:11 makes no sense Nov 10 00:34:26 why was Leo in your backyard? Nov 10 00:34:28 i know, why would a great guy like leo want to go to your back yard Nov 10 00:34:30 its just leaves Nov 10 00:34:38 he's in that red van Nov 10 00:35:27 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2424153077072&l=0f8fb34989 Nov 10 00:36:43 Leo is watching all of us to figure out how he can best fuck up our lives next Nov 10 00:36:53 who is Bryan Leasot Nov 10 00:36:58 he's already done enough Nov 10 00:37:01 * fxspec06 me Nov 10 00:37:04 gotcha Nov 10 00:37:23 i hate facebook at times Nov 10 00:37:41 fxspec06: but Leo doesn't think so...he feels cheated out of really being able to put the screws to everyone. If it only hadn't been for that meddling board Nov 10 00:37:46 cant find the edit friends button Nov 10 00:38:10 need to reorganize Nov 10 00:39:11 sugardave worked for ibm? Nov 10 00:39:28 crazy right? Nov 10 00:39:56 it totally makes sense, he's basically a genius Nov 10 00:40:12 :P Nov 10 01:22:57 akanster Yes, so open-ended I have no idea where to start. Nov 10 01:23:11 I have no time, either, so I guess it works out. Nov 10 01:42:57 someone finally made a decent Twitter client. Would be great if Twitter made one Nov 10 01:44:08 it really pains me how bad the browser works. Does not seem to save form date and cannot remember passwords . Nov 10 01:50:16 I thought hd spaz is pretty decent Nov 10 01:51:08 mradams? Nov 10 01:51:25 I thought spaz was horrible Nov 10 01:51:45 i dislike spaz as well, but spaz hd was tolerable Nov 10 01:51:48 hp made a twitter client Nov 10 01:52:47 for tp? Nov 10 01:53:27 i wonder what amazon trade in is for the touchpad Nov 10 01:53:39 twynergy? I think Nov 10 01:54:08 lol $52.50 for 16gb Nov 10 01:54:35 spaz HD is usable. Nov 10 01:55:11 probably get more on ebay Nov 10 01:55:13 lol Nov 10 01:55:24 I don't see myself as being a big Twitter person (despite checking it every day), so I haven't invested in a paid TP Twitter client. Nov 10 01:56:00 twynergy is free Nov 10 01:59:38 can you get your hands on it? Nov 10 02:00:16 http://hptwynergy.com Nov 10 02:00:30 cool Nov 10 02:01:33 hrm Nov 10 02:01:33 http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/na/touchpad/touchpad/wifi/solutions/article/49280_en.html Nov 10 02:01:36 funny Nov 10 02:01:51 pre/pre+ pixi/pixi+ are Mature Nov 10 02:02:49 haha Nov 10 02:02:59 pre3 is still planned for summer availability Nov 10 02:03:06 someone needs to update that Nov 10 02:08:54 No support for my Palm IIIe? Darn. Nov 10 02:10:30 I'm distinctive! (Twynergy says "You currently have no similar matches") Nov 10 02:41:19 Anyone bummed about mobile Flash development being halted? Nov 10 02:42:01 Nope. Aboutdamntime. Nov 10 02:42:05 Die, Flash, Die! Nov 10 02:43:18 die flash Nov 10 02:43:28 flash die. flash aweful. crush flash Nov 10 02:46:24 HULK SMASH Nov 10 02:46:44 Flash must die because it makes life on 64-bit Linux so much more painful than it needs to be Nov 10 02:47:06 killall npviewer.bin has become second nature to me Nov 10 02:48:34 flash must die because it's a pain. a big giant pain. Nov 10 02:53:33 so, you guys are going to miss it, then? Nov 10 02:53:34 I'm not sorry to see Flash in decline, but I am bummed that webOS GBU spent effort on it now. Nov 10 02:53:46 Ah, well, I can't have it both ways. Nov 10 02:53:51 Giggity **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 10 02:59:58 2011