**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 16 02:59:57 2011 Nov 16 04:46:23 are in webos3 mojo app life cycle same as in webos 2 and 1 ??? Nov 16 04:46:36 or something is changed ? ? Nov 16 04:59:53 voogle 3.0 is going to get some.... brotherly love Nov 16 05:00:08 Darkmagister: what do you mean Nov 16 05:00:17 app life cycle is up to the developer. Nov 16 05:00:29 fxspec06 i'm making an app ...in mojo Nov 16 05:00:52 that every 2 minute check a file online and if there are any changes do something ... Nov 16 05:01:10 and also i have added an html5 audio streming Nov 16 05:01:31 but if i put the app in card view the app don't check anymore ... Nov 16 05:01:34 do you use power service request to run w/ app closed Nov 16 05:01:50 it should check w/ app in card view. shouldn't make a difference Nov 16 05:01:58 not closed ... i only want that the app still working in card view Nov 16 05:01:59 settimeout works fine here w/ app in card view Nov 16 05:02:12 i use jquery Nov 16 05:02:28 and settimeout Nov 16 05:02:40 setintervall Nov 16 05:02:44 sorry Nov 16 05:02:56 try attaching it to the window Nov 16 05:03:01 window.setInterval Nov 16 05:03:08 ? Nov 16 05:03:11 oh ok :D Nov 16 05:03:20 and same problem with the html5 audio Nov 16 05:03:52 if i stop using the app or touchpad go to suspend stop playing (i didn't turn off the wifi with screen off) Nov 16 05:05:58 i think that's a battery saving feature =| Nov 16 05:06:10 might want to check the dev forums and ask unwired ben Nov 16 05:06:42 ok thanks, another question ... Nov 16 05:07:11 the setinterval i have to stop it ?? or when i close the app it will be stopped automatically ?? Nov 16 05:07:44 becuase if i put clearintervall in cleanup it stop the timer when i change scene .. Nov 16 05:08:25 you really should stop it Nov 16 05:08:34 put it in stage assistant cleanup Nov 16 05:09:29 how can i stop it in the stage assistant ?? if i launch it on the mainassistant ?? i have created a global var called var intervall = 0 ; Nov 16 05:09:53 so i call it like intervall = window.setInterval(getCurrent, 20000); Nov 16 05:10:19 if i do clearInterval(intervall); in the stage assistant it's work ?? Nov 16 05:10:36 i mean the intervall var still exist ? Nov 16 05:10:49 if you put 'var intervall = 0;' in your mainassistant then it's scope is limited to that scene Nov 16 05:11:20 yes i have put it at the top of file file ... Nov 16 05:11:37 k so yeah you should be able to put in stage assistant Nov 16 05:11:39 how can i create a var global ??? that work in other scene too? Nov 16 05:11:45 but it's window.clearInterval() Nov 16 05:11:49 ok Nov 16 05:12:14 you can declare global variables in stageassistant setup, i find that's easy to follow Nov 16 05:12:41 then just update it when necessary and it becomes available to all other mojo prototype objects Nov 16 05:12:57 so i move the var intervall = 0; to stage assistant ... Nov 16 05:13:06 ok thanks Nov 16 05:13:32 yeah. it still may stop working though if the card is inactive and the pad goes to sleep Nov 16 05:14:03 i really don't know what the cause is. one thing you CAN do is use the power wake timer Nov 16 05:14:33 the what ? Nov 16 05:14:55 funny, i just had it open Nov 16 05:14:55 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/alarms.html Nov 16 05:15:52 :D Nov 16 05:15:56 good Nov 16 05:15:59 that would force it to wake up, no matter what. Nov 16 05:16:13 but it requires a relaunch method and more skills Nov 16 05:16:35 yes i see mmm Nov 16 05:17:29 i think that for now i'm trying whit this maybe in the future :D ... the strange thing is that on my pre3 it's work pretty good :D Nov 16 05:17:53 yeah mojo works extremely well on phones.. on the touchpad not so much Nov 16 05:19:35 i whant to start using enyo ... the problem is that in no enyo support on pixi pre- ... and i'm from italy ... no official webos support here so "a lot" of devices still use webos 1.4.5 ... Nov 16 05:20:10 enyo is officially on every webos device, period Nov 16 05:20:27 ??? Nov 16 05:20:39 with the map update ? Nov 16 05:20:41 bing maps installs enyo, and google maps no longer works... it redirects to the installation of bing maps Nov 16 05:21:17 but you can use it for your apps ? Nov 16 05:21:23 well okay i can't say on every webos device, because that's not true. it doesn't ship with the devices, and the user must open maps and upgrade first Nov 16 05:21:32 but yes you can release enyo apps for phones Nov 16 05:21:40 mmm good ... Nov 16 05:21:40 :D Nov 16 05:21:59 i haven't got around to optimizing yet but it sure sounds interesting Nov 16 05:23:32 enyo is pretty nifty Nov 16 05:27:01 i have only used never tried to programming with Nov 16 05:27:40 the big problem is that not seem support the gesture area Nov 16 05:28:35 yeah that's a downer Nov 16 05:30:19 i don't think too many will be developing enyo apps for phones. Nov 16 05:30:23 but i don't see why not Nov 16 05:32:31 oh my GOD i'm so frustrated with myself. of course i start a stupid "2 second" project tonight. why. why do i do these things. Nov 16 05:32:40 yes i think the better things to do if you make an app in enyo is to support all the devices Nov 16 05:34:16 and it's quite simple i see right now that it's quite simple ... becuase enyo do the dirty work ... to set all the stuff for the correct resolution Nov 16 05:35:31 yeah it does the flex stuff, which is more webkit but easy to read Nov 16 05:35:54 once you got a grasp on it, it enables you to create some truly beautiful stuff Nov 16 05:36:13 with relative ease Nov 16 05:39:34 woo i think my work tonight is semi-done Nov 16 05:39:49 if i found some free time i have to try enyo :D Nov 16 05:40:27 "free" time.. oxymoron Nov 16 05:48:15 fxspec06, that is not true Nov 16 05:48:19 about it being on all devices Nov 16 05:48:44 yeah, i know Nov 16 05:48:49 i clarified Nov 16 05:48:56 but its not even related to having to download it Nov 16 05:49:02 there are some georestrictions Nov 16 05:49:08 oh really now Nov 16 05:49:09 that make it unavailable i beleive Nov 16 05:49:44 rwhitby corrected me about this the other day Nov 16 05:49:56 well that's just peachy Nov 16 05:50:14 yea, considering i alread started a new FT version in enyo Nov 16 05:50:22 and dont have any motivation to do any more mojo Nov 16 05:51:05 i decided it was a good idea to give voogle 3.0 some small lovin tonight. 2 min project turns into 4 hrs. it's mojo. it's been er ... it's been fun Nov 16 05:51:12 me and mojo.. we had a good run Nov 16 06:01:31 lol Nov 16 06:51:16 Welcome to the Star Wars: The Old Republic Closed Beta! Nov 16 06:51:28 funny.. i really didnt want to be in it hah Nov 16 06:52:22 how do u get into every single one Nov 16 06:52:49 i signed up on IGN's facebook page to win a bunch of stuff heh Nov 16 06:52:57 i guess SWTOR beta was one of them Nov 16 06:53:13 man Nov 16 06:53:43 how can a variable i set Nov 16 06:53:49 be completely undefined Nov 16 06:53:53 wth Nov 16 06:53:58 js? Nov 16 06:54:08 wrong scope? Nov 16 06:54:09 fxspec06: Scope? Nov 16 06:54:16 heh Nov 16 06:54:58 it's a window variable. i set it and it's literally undefined Nov 16 06:55:17 there's this stupid error unexpected token ILLEGAL somewhere here and it's not as if it tells me where it is Nov 16 07:01:25 man.. kinda pissed.. had a hella headache around 6pm.. took some nyquil liquidgel pills.. passed out for 7hrs.. Nov 16 07:01:37 oh well back to beating halo 1 in all its remastered glory Nov 16 07:04:39 i'm kinda pissed. i started a "2 min" project around 9p Nov 16 07:06:02 some 2 min project Nov 16 07:11:12 hmm. the flashlight on my Pre just decided to start working Nov 16 07:12:24 camera is still dead though Nov 16 07:12:43 now it's giving "GPS Failure! Error: 4" too instead of "GPS Timed OUt" Nov 16 07:15:01 man, i don't even really care about this damned app Nov 16 07:15:05 i just want it to kinda work Nov 16 07:15:16 i'll fix it Nov 16 07:15:29 you don't want to Nov 16 07:15:36 # rm -rf / Nov 16 07:25:00 foo Nov 16 07:25:39 gps now works too. i just replaced the back cover of the phone, and now 2 of the 3 hardware failures have stopped. weird. Nov 16 07:26:49 omg, if this was just my pre 2 being a bitch i'm going to flip a lid Nov 16 07:27:06 and the phone that i put the other cover on, is working perfectly. Nov 16 07:27:34 oh wow interesting, i wonder if the touchstone backing has something to do with GPS Nov 16 07:27:41 in regards to working or not Nov 16 07:27:56 i doubt it. the flash started working too Nov 16 07:28:55 maybe something was not snapped down quite right? Nov 16 07:29:02 a press-fit connector not quite connected Nov 16 07:29:12 when i had the cover off earlier, i did push down on the flash Nov 16 07:29:21 i just pushed down on the camera, and it's working with the cover off Nov 16 07:30:08 still working when i put it back on. i wonder if the phone was like half assembled or something Nov 16 07:30:12 or half disassembled Nov 16 07:36:46 if JSON stringifies something Nov 16 07:36:52 it should be able to parse it, right Nov 16 07:37:10 anyone from us here that can buy a debit card o promo card to spend not more then 5 $ if is possible so i can use the app catalog ??????? Nov 16 07:55:55 shoot me Nov 16 07:58:00 ? Nov 16 08:02:31 OMG IT CAN'T BE POSSIBLE. DID I FREAKING FINALLY FIX THIS GDFS;L;LKHDFG;KHGDFLKHFGLKDFHGLKFDGH yeah i think i need some sleep Nov 16 08:03:33 ohh yeah i was going to try to get XO up on the Pre tonight.. i completely forgot. I need a better organizational system Nov 16 08:06:33 what's XO Nov 16 08:07:11 omg thank god finally finally finally finally Nov 16 08:07:28 someone give me a high five for staying up for 6 hours fixing an aging mojo app Nov 16 08:08:27 don't all try to give it at once now Nov 16 08:13:29 high five :) Nov 16 08:16:40 did the app break because it aged? :| Nov 16 08:16:43 ^5 Nov 16 08:18:20 heh, no. it got fixed because it aged Nov 16 08:18:36 and as a result i lost future hair Nov 16 08:18:47 and current hairs are turning greyer Nov 16 08:19:52 hello Nov 16 08:23:23 XO is the tentative name for my SubSonic controller Nov 16 08:27:40 well, running palm-run on the pre using that app just completely fails. no errors. just stops. Nov 16 08:37:28 when i install (with internalz pro) only .patch file, can be uninstalled with preware, or I have to make ipk ? Nov 16 08:40:21 ok, well, once i deleted the app and re-ran palm-run, now it works Nov 16 08:42:06 wth does it mean when your webService's onSuccess event gets called with an undefined inResponse? Nov 16 08:44:13 panel: it should appear in your installed packages in preware, where you can uninstall it Nov 16 08:45:36 .. and i am getting 0 logging info but errors, even though the device has it's log level set for info, and the app has log level set to 99 Nov 16 08:51:27 oh I'm so tired Nov 16 08:51:45 how's your survey going rwhitby? Nov 16 08:57:12 rwhitby: thanks Nov 16 09:00:01 Freman: good, I'm down to 50 apps which I believe exist but have not found the details for yet. Nov 16 09:14:05 rwhitby: try believing more Nov 16 09:14:27 woo, turned out my firewall settings got munged somehow, which is why the app was completely failing Nov 16 09:16:09 EricBlade: I need Ireland details Nov 16 09:16:18 * rwhitby bbl Nov 16 09:17:47 hmm. and once i have a network connection, the app comes up plain white screen nothing else. no logs, or anything. Nov 16 09:18:50 looks like receiving very large amounts of data from a server will result in apps on phones going out to lunch Nov 16 09:22:21 4w30gq304q3058gjq3gj5gj35g Nov 16 09:23:45 if anyone has any suggestions for getting enyo-app-logging working on pre, i'd be happy to hear them. palm-log --system-log-level=info and logLevel 99 are set Nov 16 10:17:18 who should I contact if my developer phone (pre2) went haywire? it hasn't been dropped or anything, but there's a failure with the hardware modem, afaict from the logs Nov 16 10:17:36 i'm currently doctoring it again, but the previous doctoring effords didn't work either Nov 16 10:18:01 madnificent, get a pre- (or plus depending on carrier) Nov 16 10:18:05 and replace modem board. Nov 16 10:18:22 follow proceedures in wiki. Nov 16 10:18:59 ka6sox-away: i'd rather not start soldering on my phone. i probably won't find the time for it. and it seems to be extremely sad to just throw away a pre- for it Nov 16 10:19:09 but it's a common issue then? Nov 16 10:19:10 no soldering required Nov 16 10:19:19 t5 torx Nov 16 10:19:38 yet still, there ought to be some support from palm to solve these issues, right? Nov 16 10:20:07 uh Nov 16 10:20:19 you could try! Nov 16 10:20:36 * ka6sox-away fades back into woodwork. Nov 16 10:20:42 lol Nov 16 10:20:55 so, if anyone has a clue as to whom i should contact, please let me know Nov 16 10:21:29 its a developer phone that you got from palm via some programme? Nov 16 10:22:29 is it still under warranty? Nov 16 10:22:32 ah, another thing that happens, don't know if it's related, but i think so: the charger often stops charging (say it charges 5% and then stops), but when reconnecting the charger it starts charging again. i'm certain it's neither the charger and i seriously doubt it's the cable. Nov 16 10:22:55 EricBlade: i guess so, it's been less than a year, but it's from the free dev phone program... Nov 16 10:23:34 madnificent, go to fleabay, get a Pre(-,+) with correct carrier, and swap the board. Nov 16 10:24:01 since everything you are describing is on the 1 board. Nov 16 10:24:36 ka6sox-away: i'm in europe Nov 16 10:24:43 yes, Nov 16 10:24:48 I know...same thing Nov 16 10:24:58 what do they cost? Nov 16 10:25:05 and link me, if you can Nov 16 10:25:07 git an O2 or whoever you need Nov 16 10:25:11 LMGTFY Nov 16 10:25:27 LMDDGTFY would be more appropriate tbh Nov 16 10:25:35 heh Nov 16 10:25:51 you know your carrier, just poke that into fleabay. Nov 16 10:25:59 and still, i don't know if it's correct that i start opening it up and lose my potential warranty on a device Nov 16 10:26:16 is it fleabayclassifieds.com? Nov 16 10:26:28 call them about "warranty" on a free phone... Nov 16 10:26:41 ebay.com.whatevercountryyouarein. Nov 16 10:27:06 oh, you wanted me to search on ebay :) Nov 16 10:27:22 yes, find a pre(probably +) on ebay Nov 16 10:27:33 with the correct carrier Nov 16 10:27:33 i think the site that handles the dev devices also handles the warranty on them. if not, they could at least point you in the right direction. or just ask on the dev forums Nov 16 10:28:01 * ka6sox-away wonders how much "stock" of parts there is left Nov 16 10:28:08 or even phones to swap out. Nov 16 10:28:48 EricBlade: the dev forums could be a good idea. but my phone was handled by mail exclusively, iirc Nov 16 10:29:30 * ka6sox-away gives up and goes back to torturing the linux kernel into doing Real Time stuff. Nov 16 10:30:13 ka6sox-away: thanks Nov 16 10:30:48 yay! the app catalog is unstuck! Nov 16 10:30:54 \o/ Nov 16 10:31:25 about 4 pages of apps just dumped in Nov 16 10:33:32 so the cheapest pre- i can find in europe is about 130 euros + unknown shipping costs, that's a rather steep price for a potentially not working fix. Nov 16 10:34:47 go to precentral forums and ask for one. Nov 16 10:35:10 have you considered shipping costs to belgium?! Nov 16 10:35:10 one with a cracked screen, or some other malady that is NOT related to the modem board. Nov 16 10:35:17 oversea shipping is expensive.. Nov 16 10:35:23 that's true though Nov 16 10:35:36 madnificent, I ship dev phones all over the world. Nov 16 10:35:40 lots of Enyo apps coming up for phones now Nov 16 10:35:50 I *know* how expensive it its. Nov 16 10:43:55 EricBlade: are we allowed to run enyo on the webos 2.x ? Nov 16 10:44:24 madnificent: all devices 1.4.5+ with the new Maps app have Enyo now Nov 16 10:45:28 i hadn't assumed that we'd be legally allowed to run enyo ourselves already, but that's nice Nov 16 10:46:13 so, yeah, any webOS device 1.4.5+ can have enyo apps now. there are some issues with it, though. the older webkits have some .. nasties. Nov 16 10:47:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86LeBOC123g Nov 16 10:52:13 ah, so i see Nov 16 14:51:14 is this working ? http://www.shapeservices.com/en/products/details.php?product=skype&platform=webos Nov 16 15:29:07 hey all, I installed openSSH in preware; why when I go to xterm is the command not found? Nov 16 15:29:47 mmmm... /var/optware/bin I think? Nov 16 15:30:52 NuttyBunny, were you talking to me? Nov 16 15:30:59 sc30317, yup Nov 16 15:31:51 NuttyBunny, nope; there isn't a directory structure there Nov 16 15:32:00 sc30317, /opt/bin/ssh <- sorry, I have mine there Nov 16 15:32:38 NuttyBunny, in that directory: openssh-scp openssh-ssh sftp ssh-add ssh-agent ssh-keygen ssh-keyscan Nov 16 15:32:45 i'm assuming it is openssh-ssh Nov 16 15:32:51 me too Nov 16 15:33:14 yup Nov 16 15:33:42 will have to make a symbolic link Nov 16 15:35:24 thanks NuttyBunny Nov 16 15:36:22 guess so. you're welcome Nov 16 16:34:01 http://www.precentral.net/hp-probing-touchpad-customers-feedback-which-odd-cancelled-product Nov 16 17:30:38 http://hypervocal.com/news/2011/illinois-man-drunk-dials-911-to-complain-about-his-broken-iphone-five-times/ Nov 16 17:30:40 PRICELESS Nov 16 17:30:49 w/ audio of all 5 911 calls Nov 16 17:31:04 i take it his phone is locked, so it only dials 911 Nov 16 17:31:08 drunk idiots Nov 16 17:37:52 rofl Nov 16 17:38:31 he looks like a school network administrator Nov 16 17:39:01 nah he looks like crazy steve Nov 16 18:36:32 question: i call a scene main with disablescenescroller true, can i change this to false from js inside the scene ? Nov 16 18:40:18 hmmm....maybe. I never tried that, I think Nov 16 18:41:22 but how :D ,,, because i have an app with a scroller inside, but in the pixi the screen is too small so i want to "remove" the scroller and make the scene scrollable Nov 16 18:42:15 maybe i can make and if when i call the main scene if pixi/veer call with scollable available ... else no Nov 16 18:42:23 re-push the scene without the parm Nov 16 18:42:30 or Nov 16 18:43:00 design it so that you have a scroller around the whole scene, disable the default scene scroller, then control whether your scroller scrolls or not Nov 16 18:43:51 you can also get a handle on the scene scroller with: this.controller.sceneScroller Nov 16 18:44:00 and perhaps do some magic there Nov 16 18:44:35 let me try :D Nov 16 19:08:30 i wonder if i'm going to have to doctor this pre to get logging to work.. wth Nov 16 19:20:17 EricBlade: did you reset the system log level with palm-log? Nov 16 19:22:38 sugardave: yeah .. finally got it to work after 2 reboots .. not sure Nov 16 19:22:47 weird Nov 16 19:23:07 ... and i've got access to all my music at home on my Pre now Nov 16 19:23:17 woo! Nov 16 19:23:27 * EricBlade rocks to some AC-DC Nov 16 19:23:45 a whole lotta Rosie! Nov 16 19:24:17 wooow enyo virtualrepeater is -really- slow on pre with several hundred entries Nov 16 19:25:04 virtualrepeater....should only hold max ~200 entries :) Nov 16 19:25:45 er ~100 items Nov 16 19:25:49 according to the docs Nov 16 19:26:51 i haven't yet exactly figured out what the difference is between a repeater and a list Nov 16 19:27:43 I think the main difference is that the repeater renders all of its items, and the list only renders enough to show Nov 16 19:27:54 plus the list has its own scroller in it Nov 16 19:29:35 no difference between a thousand items and 20 items Nov 16 19:29:46 and no difference between list and repeater Nov 16 19:29:49 for speed? Nov 16 19:29:53 this is on a Pre -? Nov 16 19:29:53 yea Nov 16 19:30:23 yeah, I can't imagine good performance on that one :) Nov 16 19:30:43 but, I haven't really tried much Enyo on it Nov 16 19:31:07 the performance on scrollers in enyo is not anywhere near what it is on mojo Nov 16 19:32:56 i'll probably need to play around with it and further explore using a List .. perhaps the nested lists and nested scrollers are not good Nov 16 19:33:25 or simply having 26 lists inside a list is bad Nov 16 19:33:38 hmmm, that might be bad :) Nov 16 19:34:39 my inexperience doesn't really give me any other ideas for doing that though.. right now, i've got a VirtualRepeater that contains whatever indices are sent, usually the letters A-Z and a Other category. Each VR has a DividerDrawer, and a VirtualRepeater that contains the list of artists received in that index Nov 16 19:35:33 I did something with collapsible dividers...let me see if I can find it Nov 16 19:39:23 hmm.. using a List to contain a Repeater and removing one of the scrollers does net a visible performance boost, although it's still not good. and closing one of the dividers doesn't collapse it Nov 16 19:39:49 well, my example is now busted because they changed their API Nov 16 19:40:11 but, I basically constructed my own list and sorted based on the divider types I wanted Nov 16 19:41:43 the supplied VirtualList example is only slightly better Nov 16 19:42:15 oh, hey there we go...forgot I changed the URL, duh Nov 16 19:42:57 the enyo VR example is much better than the VL example Nov 16 19:45:20 PatrickC: wtf was up with your twitter stuff? Nov 16 19:45:38 EricBlade: this uses neither VR or VL, and it is OLD and full of bad examples of how not to code, but it functions ;) https://www.box.net/s/damqoct1h0dczedz361o Nov 16 19:45:45 I have not tried it on a phone Nov 16 19:49:03 hmm. looks like it uses a webview to do stuff, which won't work here Nov 16 19:49:18 not the main list part Nov 16 19:49:56 it comes up with a titlebar, a button, and a white space below it Nov 16 19:50:02 it uses a webservice, but that's just to get the data I want Nov 16 19:50:18 when you click a strain, then it uses a webview Nov 16 19:50:29 but the strains themselves should just load on launch Nov 16 19:50:31 hmm Nov 16 19:50:48 looks like it works on touchpad Nov 16 19:51:15 it's definitely old and I never looked at it after I tried to do fancy things based on screen size Nov 16 19:51:21 so it might be busted on the Pre Nov 16 19:51:23 slower than my thousand+ entry multiple repeaters on the pre though Nov 16 19:51:27 doh! Nov 16 19:51:38 so .. is there any info on how webview caches content? like when it ejects things from the cache? Nov 16 19:52:06 rwatkins: i know when memory is low, it dumps cookies :| Nov 16 19:52:31 at least, the main browser does Nov 16 19:52:48 or I guess not event webview, just your app referencing remote images. Nov 16 19:53:03 \ Nov 16 19:53:07 oops Nov 16 19:53:14 I've noticed that if I load a remote image, then delete the html, go offline and then put it back ... the image is pulled from the cache Nov 16 19:53:27 yeah, image caching will be tied to the presentation webkit cache....other than that, all I know is "it's magic" Nov 16 19:53:42 I finally got a touchpad Nov 16 19:53:44 ya, more documentation than Nov 16 19:53:48 "magic" would be handy Nov 16 19:53:53 About to unbox it :D Nov 16 19:54:06 rwatkins: I agree Nov 16 19:54:23 i could potentially cache images in Paper Mache articles by just prefetching them all and assuming they're likely to be cached. Nov 16 19:54:46 but if the cache is small or gets nuked on app close, or after 3 hrs or whatever, that'd be .. helpful. Nov 16 19:54:52 hjax: fun :D dev purchase? Nov 16 19:55:07 you can do that trick where you append some random number as a query parm in the string so it's "different" when you request it Nov 16 19:55:27 I actually dont want to defeat the cache, I want to be able to load articles with images when offline. Nov 16 19:56:00 so I kinda wanna shove them all in the cache, rather than manually download them all to the filesystem and change all the image path references. Nov 16 19:57:36 EricBlade: actually eBay, payed $200, but I still think its worth it Nov 16 19:57:40 Yeah, not sure how to best do that without knowing when the cache expires Nov 16 19:57:57 ya. Nov 16 19:58:08 guess I'll ask in the forums Nov 16 19:58:40 for my thing when I did something like that, I knew that I wanted to keep the images forever, so I just used a spot on /media/internal constructed from the app dir as I downloaded them, then always tried to use that location for the actual images when the app loaded Nov 16 19:59:11 load image first, check its size, if 0 it's gone, download it again Nov 16 19:59:39 ya, thats what i may end up needing to do, though I also need to go around cleaning them up when users delete articles too. Nov 16 20:00:13 did you use the download service? can you use a custom node based service for filesystem access to read and delete? Nov 16 20:01:02 hmmm...I think I used the download manager yeah....and from what I understand you can do that with a node.js service, but I haven't done any real file I/O with it Nov 16 20:01:49 ya, concerned that with the download manager I may have issues with cleanup and deleting files when they're nolonger needed Nov 16 20:02:38 hmmm, the ticket thing.... Nov 16 20:02:49 you'd have to delete those somehow, maybe? Nov 16 20:03:23 it might be better to just have your service do the downloads and the i/o and skip download manager entirely Nov 16 20:03:32 ya, I think the ticket allows you access to do that, just recall a bunch of discussion about it being .. not always that reliable. seems safter to use more direct file io Nov 16 20:03:33 I didn't have a lot of choice in the Mojo app where I did this Nov 16 20:03:36 ya Nov 16 20:06:11 I've messed around too long and now I am starving...time to forage Nov 16 20:57:19 murr Nov 16 20:58:09 soooo many apps to download... Nov 16 20:58:38 wow, i just had a crazy conference call .. was under the impression i was talking with a game studio person, a publisher person, and an engine provider person.. ended up being 6 publisher people, 2 engine people, and 4 or more studio people.. nuts. that many people should not be on one telephone at a time Nov 16 21:01:28 I can't get my new touchpad to turn on Nov 16 21:01:45 you broke it haha Nov 16 21:01:57 The little charging light is flashing because it's plugged it, but it won't turn on or even light up its screen Nov 16 21:02:05 charging light? Nov 16 21:02:20 Yes Nov 16 21:02:31 my touchpads don't have a charging light Nov 16 21:02:34 The led on the home button Nov 16 21:02:49 hmm. i don't think? that lights if it's not on Nov 16 21:03:03 Well it won't turn on >.> Nov 16 21:03:10 Should I doctor it? Nov 16 21:03:38 if you unplug it, hit the power button and wait several seconds, anything happen? Nov 16 21:03:58 Nope Nov 16 21:06:08 Ideas? Doctor it? Nov 16 21:06:53 hold down power and home for 30-sec ? Nov 16 21:07:26 Tried that Nov 16 21:10:38 Can anyone help me? Nov 16 21:10:48 my other ideas would be either let it drain completely, when it's nearly dead dead if you hit power, it should show a giant low battery indicator .. or leave it on charger longer. Nov 16 21:11:09 It's charged for 30 min now... Nov 16 21:16:41 I can make the blinking light go out on the device by force rebooting it, but the screen won't turn on Nov 16 21:19:28 #leave Nov 16 21:30:56 could be a dead screen Nov 16 21:32:29 Hmmm the charger could be at fault Nov 16 21:33:37 I just "reset" the AC charger, see if that helps Nov 16 21:48:54 I would like to own these 4 phones: http://www.theverge.com/products/compare/2783/3604/2593/74 Nov 16 21:53:59 http://hypervocal.com/news/2011/illinois-man-drunk-dials-911-to-complain-about-his-broken-iphone-five-times/# Nov 16 21:54:54 this guy may have a case. lol. if he can't unlock it to use it, b/c he's too dumb, and the only way to use it is to dial 911, he could maybe file and win a lawsuit ... Nov 16 21:55:43 I don't think you can win a lawsuit on "I'm stupid" Nov 16 21:56:10 he sounds like he really is trying to get his phone to work, and he can't find tech support, and the only number to call is 911... gee, maybe apple should put a number to tech support in the unlock screen Nov 16 21:56:49 I also don't think "I'm drunk" is a valid lawsuit reason either Nov 16 21:57:35 well yeah but lets say for example the 911 button is huge (i don't know what it looks like on a iphone) Nov 16 21:57:47 I'm pretty sure it's not Nov 16 21:58:16 he's legitimately trying to reach tech support though Nov 16 21:58:29 how many people are dying to reach tech support. i feel bad for him Nov 16 21:59:21 based on http://www.blogsdna.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/iPhone-4-Lock-Screen.png the lock screen has a single button for "emergency call" Nov 16 21:59:42 which then takes you https://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/iphone-lock-screen.png?w=266&h=399 ? Nov 16 22:00:14 well i'll be damned, that's so easy even a drunk could do it Nov 16 22:00:37 it's an iPhone Nov 16 22:00:42 Apple does "easy" pretty well Nov 16 22:01:02 i'm jus saying: if the state / feds are receiving many false iphone 911 calls... maybe the state would have a case against apple Nov 16 22:01:05 lol Nov 16 22:01:10 but it's not like he has much of a case for mistakenly placing emergency calls Nov 16 22:01:23 lol Nov 16 22:01:52 "go to hell" "you're really very a nice person sir" Nov 16 22:08:15 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/the_mystical_art_of_exhibition.html << cool article.. Nov 16 22:15:55 i wish we could integrate to the telephone app, or read the call database Nov 16 22:16:05 Grrr my touchpad won't work Nov 16 22:16:40 And "Allen" from palm support said it needs to charge for 2 hours before the screen can even turn on... Nov 16 22:16:45 I doubt that Nov 16 22:17:06