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Nov 17 03:15:37 <hjax>  I think I just fell in love with webos
Nov 17 03:17:33 <Shadyman> hjax: :D
Nov 17 03:18:10 <hjax> Multitasking on the touchpad makes the iPad look like garbage
Nov 17 03:21:00 <hjax> One question: the volume rocker seems to properly disable keyboard clicks, but when I opened angry birds the music played anyway, can I set system wide volume with the rocker or no?
Nov 17 03:21:58 <dwc-> the ringer switch?
Nov 17 03:22:25 <dwc-> or the volume rocker?
Nov 17 03:22:33 <dawm_> god damn
Nov 17 03:22:55 <dawm_> someone has 'launched' the trial version of my game 4647 times..
Nov 17 03:22:59 <dawm_> thats a crap ton..
Nov 17 03:23:04 <Shadyman> hahaha
Nov 17 03:23:22 <dawm_> maybe they should buy it..
Nov 17 03:23:38 <dawm_> #2 in usage is 4339 launches
Nov 17 03:23:40 <hjax> Opening Facebook for tablets rebooted my touchpad...
Nov 17 03:23:42 <dwc-> what's the game?
Nov 17 03:23:43 <dawm_> #3 is 2376
Nov 17 03:23:46 <dawm_> swap&drop
Nov 17 03:23:57 <dawm_> #2 is a pixi..
Nov 17 03:24:28 <dawm_> Decided to look thru app logs to see if anythign interesting popped up
Nov 17 03:26:03 <hjax> What language does the touchpad SDK having you write in? Java?
Nov 17 03:26:10 <dawm_> javascript
Nov 17 03:26:11 <hjax> Webos SDK*
Nov 17 03:26:30 <hjax> ? Really?
Nov 17 03:26:32 <dawm_> PDK is c or c++
Nov 17 03:26:40 <dawm_> PDK is inside SDK
Nov 17 03:26:49 <dawm_> most apps are javascript/css
Nov 17 03:26:57 <Shadyman> javascript/css, yeah
Nov 17 03:28:13 <dawm_> gnight
Nov 17 03:29:41 <hjax> That's.... Strange
Nov 17 03:30:43 <halfhalo> strangely AWESOME
Nov 17 03:31:01 <dwc-> strangely ... strange.
Nov 17 03:31:11 <halfhalo> shadup
Nov 17 05:53:48 <ohhmaar> hey does this work with laptops? http://www.amazon.com/HP-TouchPad-Wireless-FB344AA-AC3/dp/B0055QYJK6/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1321509046&sr=1-1
Nov 17 05:54:56 <Shadyman> if they have bluetooth, I'd imagine so
Nov 17 05:55:05 * Shadyman shrugs
Nov 17 05:55:38 <Shadyman> might not have all the keys you're looking for, though
Nov 17 05:58:27 <ohhmaar> yea i know what your sayin
Nov 17 06:40:24 <natemcintyre> lively channel eh?
Nov 17 07:20:51 <Darkmagister> 54752c9d-990d-44d2-8ea9-18a9dc452d1b here a code for Juggle XHD This code is good through 17 November 2011. i hope it's still valid, unfotunatelly i can't use it ... so the first that see can use it ... let me know if it's work
Nov 17 07:32:36 <Shadyman> Darkmagister: probably won't work in Canada
Nov 17 08:04:46 <Darkmagister> Shadyman ???? i don't know you can try :D
Nov 17 16:30:39 <sc30317> what is the best media player for webos?  I have a touchpad
Nov 17 16:33:08 <Da|Mummy> KalemSoft media player
Nov 17 16:33:32 <Da|Mummy> touchplayer will usually be fine though
Nov 17 16:33:47 <Da|Mummy> as theres a 4gb filesize limit, so HD movies on it are useless
Nov 17 16:34:08 <Da|Mummy> KalemSoft = $, Touchplayer = free
Nov 17 16:37:13 <sc30317> Da|Mummy, thanks
Nov 17 16:37:17 <sc30317> will try both
Nov 17 16:37:34 <sc30317> is touchplayer in preware?
Nov 17 16:37:55 <sc30317> yup
Nov 17 16:38:13 <Da|Mummy> both should be in official app store as well
Nov 17 16:38:19 <sc30317> touchplayer isnt
Nov 17 16:44:00 <Clark008> you have to add feed for touchplayer in preware
Nov 17 16:44:23 <Clark008> mobilecoder.touchpadhp.info/mcfeed
Nov 17 19:07:51 <rwatkins> ianbeck: 5-10x pirate usage?  seems way high to me
Nov 17 19:08:25 <ianbeck> Over the last few days, yeah
Nov 17 19:08:36 <ianbeck> Unless my private new user tracking code went wonky unexpectedly
Nov 17 19:09:11 <ianbeck> Or the HP downloads page is screwed up again, I suppose
Nov 17 19:09:16 <ianbeck> That might actually be more likely
Nov 17 19:10:37 <ianbeck> Hm, come to think some of that might be legit owners downloading on other webOS devices
Nov 17 19:10:47 <ianbeck> Although for the amount of difference that seems unlikely
Nov 17 19:14:10 <rwatkins> ya I have a couple devices on my profile.
Nov 17 19:14:14 <rwatkins> but thats still only really 2x
Nov 17 19:14:31 <ianbeck> Yeah
Nov 17 19:15:12 <ianbeck> Yesterday, for instance, HP recorded 7 sales but my stats tracker recorded 41 new devices
Nov 17 19:15:45 <rwatkins> you recording nduid or similar on launch?
Nov 17 19:15:45 <ianbeck> And that pattern is steady for the last seven days (some variance in the exact numbers, but similar multipliers)
Nov 17 19:16:00 <ianbeck> Yeah, when the app checks for updates it saves the device ID
Nov 17 19:16:19 * halfhalo goes to fake a massive amount of nuid's now
Nov 17 19:16:28 <ianbeck> Oh noooooooes! :-)
Nov 17 19:17:09 <rwatkins> ya, my first bet would be bad numbers from HP, unfortunately.
Nov 17 19:17:37 <ianbeck> I should email them, I guess; I'd love to get 41 sales instead of 7
Nov 17 19:17:53 <rwatkins> 5-10x just seems high - the expertise required to side load an app thats just a few dollars.
Nov 17 19:18:18 <rwatkins> but perhaps
Nov 17 20:07:53 <panel> hello
Nov 17 20:39:00 <leiru> ianbeck: maybe theres a pirated version of you app in the internetz?
Nov 17 20:40:37 <leiru> oh
Nov 17 20:40:50 <leiru> just read more of the backlog :)
Nov 17 21:06:46 <dawm_> BB Playbook gets a temp $300 price cut..
Nov 17 21:06:50 <dawm_> only in Canada tho
Nov 17 22:07:23 <shades> what's the dev channel?
Nov 17 22:07:31 <shades> http://androidsecuritytest.com/features/logs-and-services/loggers/carrieriq/ does this thing exist on the palm pre?
Nov 17 22:11:18 <rwhitby> shades: it does not
Nov 17 22:17:20 <shades> how are you sure?
Nov 17 22:18:50 <fxspec06> because it doesn't exist
Nov 17 22:19:19 <shades> ...
Nov 17 22:19:20 <fxspec06> "Carrier IQ is rootkit software" -- webos does not have / need rootkit software..
Nov 17 22:20:01 <shades> the article iw as just reading said sprint denied this exists on their devices, when it was found out they do have it on there
Nov 17 22:20:03 <fxspec06> i've never seen or heard of carrier IQ, or anything that performs like carrier iq, for webos. i'm sure rod whitby would know more than i about this
Nov 17 22:20:52 <fxspec06> shades: i guess nobody will ever know then. maybe it does exist. maybe aliens exist living in our oceans. i don't know.
Nov 17 22:22:45 <shades> ...
Nov 17 22:22:50 <fxspec06> what i do know, however, is that webos comes "rooted".. by enabling developer mode. so, software that was "hidden" would have been found already. therefore, in my not-so-expert opinion, that software does not exist
Nov 17 22:23:03 <shades> when i say 'rootkit' I mean 'for the carrier'
Nov 17 22:23:06 <shades> not for a malicious user
Nov 17 22:23:59 <halfhalo> yes, hp/palm has something to upload usage stuff to them.  It is nowhere near the level of carrier iq though
Nov 17 22:24:02 <shades> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-rootkit-of-all-evil-ciq/ is the original article I read
Nov 17 22:24:41 <fxspec06> carrier iq is android software
Nov 17 22:25:31 <fxspec06> to remove carrier iq from android, you must (gasp) root your android device by unlocking your bootloader
Nov 17 22:25:49 <fxspec06> you do this on webos by activating developer mode, a widely documented and supported method
Nov 17 22:26:05 <fxspec06> from there, you can find and delete carrier iq.
Nov 17 22:26:21 <shades> it runs out of memory apparently...
Nov 17 22:26:27 <shades> but there might be something /like/ it
Nov 17 22:26:30 <fxspec06> if it was on webos, it would be available to see. but alas it is not
Nov 17 22:26:38 <fxspec06> yes and you'd be able to SEE it in novaterm
Nov 17 22:26:47 <fxspec06> in memory
Nov 17 22:26:51 * fxspec06 sigh
Nov 17 22:27:35 <fxspec06> idk, maybe i'm wrong, maybe it exists and i don't know what i'm talking about
Nov 17 22:27:38 <halfhalo> webos uploads crash, memory, and app usage logs
Nov 17 22:28:34 <halfhalo> and maybe location
Nov 17 22:29:29 <halfhalo> It does NOT upload who you called, when you called em, how many text's you sent to them, and how many mistakes you made like ciq does
Nov 17 22:31:18 <shades> I see
Nov 17 22:36:34 <rwhitby> shades: I know everything that runs on webOS devices.  Believe me, there is no CarrierIQ software.
Nov 17 22:37:33 <rwhitby> of course, all your call records are available in your device backup, which Palm has access to if they wanted.
Nov 17 22:43:57 <shades> but what about texts?
Nov 17 22:44:06 <shades> call records or a record of the conversation
Nov 17 22:46:22 <rwhitby> call records, not recordings.
Nov 17 22:46:28 <rwhitby> texts too, and emails.
Nov 17 22:46:42 <shades> contents of texts and e-mails?
Nov 17 22:46:45 <rwhitby> and lots of other stuff. All your private info in fact is stored in the backups.
Nov 17 22:47:06 <rwhitby> of course Palm promises in the TOS not to read it.
Nov 17 22:47:28 <rwhitby> just like google can read your emails ...
Nov 17 22:47:29 <shades> 8 /
Nov 17 22:47:50 <shades> so I'm wondering how I'm going to get another palm when i get back to the states
Nov 17 22:47:55 <rwhitby> and if you're in the US, the government reads it all (legally)
Nov 17 22:47:59 <shades> they discontinued it while I was working over seas
Nov 17 22:52:01 <Clark008> rwhitby - what's your take on webos future?
Nov 17 22:56:05 <rwhitby> Clark008: I find it best not to speculate, and just wait for an official press release.  My phone works the same today as it did yesterday, and still will tomorrow.
Nov 17 23:09:30 <shades> I'm going to need a new one
Nov 17 23:09:35 <shades> mine got kind of fucked out here ;(
Nov 17 23:44:23 <dawm_> amazon trade in value for Palm Pixi Plus - $14
Nov 17 23:44:42 <dawm_> amazon trade in value for HP Pre3 UK QWERTY $309
Nov 17 23:53:45 <fxspec06> lol
Nov 17 23:54:00 <fxspec06> what is the amazon trade in value for a 32gb touchpad
Nov 17 23:59:36 <dawm_> 84.75
Nov 18 00:00:09 <dawm_> even with the temp pricecut on the bb playbook (only in canada) its still $199 for the cheapest one..
Nov 18 00:00:19 <dawm_> bb playbook got $300 knocked off
Nov 18 00:20:03 <dawm_> hrm.. missing a battery.. had 2 stacked on the desk now theres one.. hope the dog didnt snag it
Nov 18 00:26:28 <siestacat> hey, ubercalender broke my calender app
Nov 18 00:26:38 <siestacat> I can't uninstall ubercalender nor can I open the regular calender app
Nov 18 00:31:13 <fxspec06> time to unzip the dr. and reinstall calendar
Nov 18 00:31:20 <dawm_> no
Nov 18 00:31:29 <fxspec06> ya probably bad idea
Nov 18 00:31:32 <dawm_> emergency patch fix
Nov 18 00:31:38 <dawm_> but save package list before hand
Nov 18 00:31:56 <dawm_> then dont reinstall ubercalendar
Nov 18 00:32:12 <fxspec06> but it's uber
Nov 18 00:35:17 <siestacat> emergency patch fix?
Nov 18 00:38:51 <fxspec06> in preware
Nov 18 00:41:45 <dawm_> basically it removes all patches
Nov 18 00:41:58 <dawm_> which is why you save package list first
Nov 18 00:42:06 <dawm_> which saves a list of everything installed
Nov 18 00:42:17 <dawm_> so you can reinstall everything but the bad patch
Nov 18 00:43:45 <siestacat> is it all automated?
Nov 18 00:43:51 <siestacat> the reinstallation?
Nov 18 00:44:00 <siestacat> oh, and I can't update webOS
Nov 18 00:44:43 <dawm_> yes
Nov 18 00:44:47 <dawm_> you can install all
Nov 18 00:44:55 <dawm_> or i think it might have checkmarks
Nov 18 00:46:19 <siestacat> I mean
Nov 18 00:46:21 <siestacat> oh
Nov 18 00:46:23 <siestacat> okay, good
Nov 18 00:46:29 <siestacat> webOS won't install at all
Nov 18 00:46:33 <siestacat> 3.0.4
Nov 18 00:46:39 <siestacat> I have Android too
Nov 18 00:47:55 <dawm_> my buddy had no probelms updating w/ android
Nov 18 00:48:00 <dawm_> he had to reisntall moboot tho
Nov 18 00:48:13 <dawm_> since the webos update changes the boot back to webos only
Nov 18 00:48:30 <dawm_> and he's an idiot
Nov 18 00:48:41 <dawm_> i had to install droid on his tp cause he was to scared to.. lolz
Nov 18 00:48:47 <siestacat> lol
Nov 18 00:48:49 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/7e4uU.png
Nov 18 00:48:54 <siestacat> I mean, it reboots and says it can't update
Nov 18 00:49:09 <dawm_> not good
Nov 18 00:49:35 <dawm_> cant help you there
Nov 18 00:50:22 <dawm_> tomorrow.. cant wait
Nov 18 00:50:46 <dawm_> minecraft 1.0, skyrim & rage arrive, and unfortunately so does my samsung epic 4g
Nov 18 00:51:03 <siestacat> minecraft is out tomorrow?
Nov 18 00:51:11 <siestacat> (full edition)
Nov 18 00:51:15 <dawm_> i originally heard the 19th
Nov 18 00:51:21 <dawm_> but bunch of crap about friday
Nov 18 00:51:24 <dawm_> so idk
Nov 18 00:51:27 <dawm_> i think notch said friday
Nov 18 00:51:56 <fxspec06> i would want a nexus, but that pentile screen is a turn off
Nov 18 00:52:06 <fxspec06> probably going to hold out on my upgrade.
Nov 18 00:52:22 <fxspec06> still gotz debts to pay g' damn
Nov 18 00:56:41 <siestacat> alright, just tried again
Nov 18 00:56:57 <siestacat> "the system update HP webOS 3.0.4 77 failed to install. Please try again later
Nov 18 00:57:02 <siestacat> this has happened like 6 times
Nov 18 00:58:17 <dawm_> check the forums
Nov 18 00:59:05 <dawm_> http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/137304303311400960
Nov 18 00:59:06 <dawm_> LOL
Nov 18 00:59:09 <dawm_> 2012??
Nov 18 01:05:40 <siestacat> any way I can back up all of my webos apps so I don't have to redownload them all?
Nov 18 01:06:03 <dawm_> save & restore will save the settings but thats about it
Nov 18 01:06:51 <siestacat> shoot
Nov 18 01:06:52 <siestacat> ok
Nov 18 01:12:54 <siestacat> doctor won't recognize my device?
Nov 18 01:18:46 <siestacat> hello?
Nov 18 01:33:43 <fxspec06> restart novacom
Nov 18 01:34:11 <fxspec06> task manager -> services tab -> novacom -> right click, start / stop
Nov 18 01:35:53 <dawm_> or open a admin cmd.exe window and net stop novacomd, then net start novacomd
Nov 18 01:41:15 <siestacat> hi
Nov 18 01:41:20 <siestacat> problem is bigger now
Nov 18 01:41:27 <siestacat> I got it to be able to hit the next button
Nov 18 01:41:57 <siestacat> but the doctor reboots my device to the penguin logo (I have the ext3fs from a previous meta-doctor)
Nov 18 01:42:02 <siestacat> and then says the device was disconnected
Nov 18 01:42:05 <siestacat> how can I resolve this?
Nov 18 01:42:10 <siestacat> I really would like 3.0,4
Nov 18 01:44:52 <fxspec06> you can err recreate the file system yourself from scratch
Nov 18 01:44:53 <fxspec06> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover#Doctor_disconnects_at_8.25
Nov 18 01:45:04 <fxspec06> at the bottom
Nov 18 01:48:10 <siestacat> but...
Nov 18 01:48:14 <siestacat> I have android installed
Nov 18 01:48:18 <siestacat> I don't want to resize lvm partitions
Nov 18 02:01:37 <fxspec06> hm did you try recovery mode? probably wouldn't make a difference
Nov 18 02:02:52 <fxspec06> idk, it's beyond my knowledge.
Nov 18 02:11:11 <siestacat> someone...
Nov 18 02:11:15 <siestacat> I just used the patch thing
Nov 18 02:11:18 <siestacat> and it ruined webOS
Nov 18 02:11:22 <siestacat> altogether
Nov 18 02:11:41 <siestacat> I can only get like the launcher thing and when I hit it the stupid crap reboots
Nov 18 02:16:17 <EricBlade> i think it's time you ran the doctor
Nov 18 02:18:38 <fxspec06> EricBlade: he tried
Nov 18 02:19:02 <fxspec06> siestacat: if 3.0.4 doctor isn't working, try one of the earlier ones first
Nov 18 02:19:20 <fxspec06> i believe there are a few you can try
Nov 18 02:25:30 <PatrickC> hey all
Nov 18 02:25:36 <siestacat> okay
Nov 18 02:25:38 <siestacat> uh
Nov 18 02:26:05 <siestacat> fxspec06 or EricBlade or whoever I completely screwed everything, any way I can change the default uimage i'm booting to with bootie?
Nov 18 02:26:31 <EricBlade> no clue, i've not needed to get into it that far
Nov 18 02:26:37 <PatrickC> what happened?
Nov 18 02:26:41 <PatrickC> (reading the backlog)
Nov 18 02:26:49 <siestacat> bootie
Nov 18 02:26:55 <siestacat> I need to change so I can boot to moboot
Nov 18 02:26:59 <siestacat> then I'll screw with this later
Nov 18 02:27:12 <PatrickC> like, what happened with bootie?
Nov 18 02:27:27 <rwhitby> bootie can't edit LVM filesystems
Nov 18 02:29:31 <PatrickC> anyone in here have Mundu IM?
Nov 18 02:30:05 <siestacat> rwhitby : I'm having a problem then
Nov 18 02:30:14 <siestacat> rwhitby : my lvms are modified and I can't run any doctor
Nov 18 02:30:21 <siestacat> I'm unable to boot in to webos or android at the moment
Nov 18 02:30:41 <rwhitby> then you need to fix your LVMs. The recovery page says how to do that.
Nov 18 02:30:52 <siestacat> yes, but I can't get in to a terminal other than bootie
Nov 18 02:31:04 <siestacat> so I'm not sure how I do that....
Nov 18 02:31:21 <rwhitby> however, I haven't see a pastebin of the console log of running the doctor on the command line yet, so I'm only guessing with no information from you.
Nov 18 02:31:37 <siestacat> rwhitby : yes, I'm sure that is my problem
Nov 18 02:31:45 <siestacat> I manually resized my LVM partitions
Nov 18 02:31:46 <siestacat> anyway
Nov 18 02:31:51 <siestacat> without webos
Nov 18 02:31:53 <siestacat> how can I change them?
Nov 18 02:31:57 <siestacat> at all...
Nov 18 02:32:06 <siestacat> only command line I can access is bootie
Nov 18 02:33:17 <siestacat> so
Nov 18 02:33:18 <siestacat> ...
Nov 18 02:33:35 * rwhitby continues to wait for the pastebin
Nov 18 02:33:59 <rwhitby> I don't debug stuff blind.
Nov 18 02:34:02 * halfhalo hands rwhitby a magazine for the wait
Nov 18 02:34:29 <rwhitby> and I never trust what people tell me. I only trust the unaltered output from the command line.
Nov 18 02:34:45 <siestacat> rwhitby : ...
Nov 18 02:34:54 <rwhitby> indeed
Nov 18 02:34:57 <siestacat> how can I access a line where I can edit the lvm filesystems
Nov 18 02:35:01 <siestacat> thats all I need
Nov 18 02:35:11 <siestacat> but I don't have access to webos or android
Nov 18 02:35:17 <siestacat> only bootie :/
Nov 18 02:35:30 <rwhitby> how did you do it last time?
Nov 18 02:35:40 <siestacat> I was able to boot in to webos
Nov 18 02:35:49 <siestacat> running the emergency patch fixer destroyed webOS
Nov 18 02:35:59 <siestacat> all I get is a pretty launcer icon and a messed up notification
Nov 18 02:36:06 <siestacat> whenever I touch the screen, reboot
Nov 18 02:36:12 <rwhitby> you manually resized your partitions while running webOS live?
Nov 18 02:36:16 <siestacat> yes
Nov 18 02:36:24 <siestacat> per these instructions...
Nov 18 02:36:35 <siestacat> http://touch-droid.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2
Nov 18 02:36:50 <siestacat> from novaterm
Nov 18 02:37:01 <rwhitby> heaven help you, following instructions from touch-droid.com
Nov 18 02:37:22 <rwhitby> no wonder your device is screwed all the time
Nov 18 02:37:31 * rwhitby washes his hands of this situation
Nov 18 02:37:50 <rwhitby> come back after you've wiped and doctored the device
Nov 18 02:37:58 <siestacat> I can't wipe
Nov 18 02:38:05 <siestacat> that's my problem
Nov 18 02:38:11 <siestacat> or I would
Nov 18 02:38:12 <rwhitby> the recovery page on our wiki shows how to do that. I've already pointed you to that twice.
Nov 18 02:38:16 <siestacat> thats kind of what I'm getting at...
Nov 18 02:38:34 <siestacat> rwhitby : I c-a-n-t a-c-c-e-s-s a command line
Nov 18 02:38:38 <siestacat> at all
Nov 18 02:39:02 * rwhitby waits for siestacat to actually read the page, instead of guessing what the page says
Nov 18 02:41:54 <Clark008> rwhitby - good point on that reply earlier
Nov 18 02:42:11 <Clark008> thanks
Nov 18 02:42:18 <siestacat> damn
Nov 18 02:42:21 <siestacat> okay
Nov 18 02:42:30 <siestacat> novacom is fubar...
Nov 18 02:47:37 <PatrickC> who in here uses Grooveshark?
Nov 18 02:48:32 <siestacat> rwhitby
Nov 18 02:48:39 <siestacat> where is the novacom uImage file
Nov 18 02:48:47 <siestacat> I read it, I can't find it in the extracted JAR file
Nov 18 02:49:11 <rwhitby> oh, so you d-o-n-t n-e-e-d a command line now?
Nov 18 02:49:27 <siestacat> n-o i-d-o-n-t
Nov 18 02:49:47 <siestacat> rwhitby
Nov 18 02:49:53 <siestacat> where is that uimage?
Nov 18 02:49:56 * halfhalo noms on popcorn
Nov 18 02:50:31 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor/tree/scripts/unpack-doctor and grep are your friend
Nov 18 02:50:41 <rwhitby> s/grep/find/
Nov 18 02:50:51 <siestacat> 7zip didn't extract it
Nov 18 02:50:54 <siestacat> ...
Nov 18 02:51:13 <siestacat> I really don't have time for that...
Nov 18 02:51:17 <rwhitby> indeed, if 7zip did the job then that unpack-doctor script would not be required
Nov 18 02:51:35 <siestacat> and it can't be distributed online because of HP...
Nov 18 02:51:37 <siestacat> grah
Nov 18 02:51:47 <siestacat> I'm uImage booting android and then done with it
Nov 18 02:52:03 <rwhitby> excellent.
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