**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 19 02:59:56 2011 Nov 19 03:45:01 is it possible to remove a ubuntu crypto without doctoring? Nov 19 03:45:10 without* Nov 19 03:48:09 uploading mp3 collection to Amazon Cloudplayer. 24 hours in. Up to letter "D". Nov 19 03:48:48 realtime: terabytes of music? Nov 19 03:49:12 nomnomnom google nexus Nov 19 03:49:26 rwatkins* dumb spell check Nov 19 03:49:37 uploading to both amazon and google actually. 50% there for Google, but on ... day 3 now I think. Nov 19 03:49:51 ~20k tracks tho Nov 19 03:52:03 how can I resize my ubuntu chroot? I made mine too big Nov 19 03:53:03 no idea, my webos devices are .. webos. Nov 19 03:54:07 and tonight I submit Paper Mache so it runs on every single one of them -- original Pre w/ 1.4.5 to the TouchPad with 3.0.x Nov 19 03:54:46 I love my touchpad Nov 19 04:04:16 * Tibfib_ dl's phonegap + jo Nov 19 04:10:45 lvresize Nov 19 04:11:20 phonegap build should probably support WP7 soonish, so they you'd be able to dev it w/o Windows. Nov 19 04:11:48 i think you lvresize the ubuntu partition, then you have to resizefat the /media/storage to get it back? Nov 19 04:11:51 been a while Nov 19 04:11:55 are there any other webkit mobile os's other than webos and ios Nov 19 04:12:10 uh, android. Nov 19 04:12:22 android has webkit? Nov 19 04:12:32 o.O how could i have overlooked that Nov 19 04:12:43 rwatkins: true… but I think I'd still need windows to build, wouldn't I? Nov 19 04:12:44 symbian and rim too Nov 19 04:13:06 no way Nov 19 04:13:06 and I think phonegap does support wp7 Nov 19 04:13:07 Tibfib_: thats the point of phonegap build - it does the build, provides you teh package. Nov 19 04:13:22 but does not support WP7 .. yet. Nov 19 04:13:25 =O Nov 19 04:13:30 way Nov 19 04:13:30 rwatkins: nice Nov 19 04:13:37 * fxspec06 planning on doing de phonegap Nov 19 04:13:44 rwatkins: oh, that's build.phonegap or whatever? Nov 19 04:13:49 Tibfib_: ya Nov 19 04:13:54 i really though i would use webos after putting android on my touchpad Nov 19 04:13:58 at least once in a while Nov 19 04:14:07 ah, actual phonegap supports wp7 I believe Nov 19 04:14:28 yes, just that build.phonegap.com doesnt but I assuem its coming Nov 19 04:15:28 my day job currently is a Phonegap app, but with Sencha Touch. Nov 19 04:15:45 ah, like it? Nov 19 04:15:50 should I pursue that or jo? Nov 19 04:16:05 ya, I need to look deeper into Jo. Nov 19 04:16:30 Jo wouldnt cut it at the moment as I need a the features of the grouped list component of Sencha Nov 19 04:16:48 I have a love/hate relationship w/ Sencha Touch. Nov 19 04:17:14 I like the general approach - essentially all JS component definition like Enyo, but ... its just broken in alot of ways. Nov 19 04:17:18 i haven't delved deep into the bowels of phonegap yet.. more or less just created the header w/ it Nov 19 04:17:28 rwatkins: have you packed an app w/ it yet Nov 19 04:17:54 I just don't know what to work on Nov 19 04:17:57 fxspec06: yes. phonegap + facebook plugin + custom maps plugin + sencha touch. Nov 19 04:18:15 I don't really want to pay to be an iOS developer Nov 19 04:18:21 so I can't test in on my phone Nov 19 04:18:26 guess I can test on my pres Nov 19 04:18:45 http://getjaunt.com/ - http://www.jestalabs.com/products3.html Nov 19 04:19:06 but then why would I make the app if I'm not gonna use it. I haven't really had this problem before Nov 19 04:19:25 rwatkins: that's cool Nov 19 04:19:56 thx, learned a bunch. well see how it goes Nov 19 04:25:59 hmmm, perhaps I should buy a kindle fire and develop for that Nov 19 04:27:20 twice the price of the ios dev membership, but hey, comes with hardware. Nov 19 04:27:58 yeahh, but less saturated market Nov 19 04:28:03 " Nov 19 04:28:09 "Your App Has Been Submitted" Nov 19 04:28:44 things to think about... Nov 19 04:28:46 last time the 'gremlins' whisked it thru approval in less than 30 minutes, i suspect longer this time. Nov 19 04:29:32 rwatkins: does phonegap support websql Nov 19 04:29:53 OR MAYBE I'LL JUST LEARN PYTHON Nov 19 04:29:54 if the webkit on that platform does, so yes. Nov 19 04:30:24 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nov 19 04:30:45 iowa st is going to take down oklahoma st Nov 19 04:31:29 nice Nov 19 04:31:38 we almost beat them Nov 19 04:31:57 FYI, epsn.com is not espn.com Nov 19 04:32:00 carry on. Nov 19 05:53:48 * PatrickC yawns Nov 19 05:54:24 who knew dev'ing, and looking thru thousands of lines of code could be so tireing lol Nov 19 06:32:36 people who do it every day for a living? Nov 19 06:37:25 yup Nov 19 06:38:16 enyo.hitch() ? Nov 19 06:38:26 well, except me. because i fake everything Nov 19 06:39:33 ah, just alias for bind() Nov 19 06:39:54 also an alias for enyo.divorce() Nov 19 06:40:01 * Shadyman ducks! Nov 19 07:19:46 hello everyone! Nov 19 07:20:41 I'm very love webos,but... Nov 19 07:35:22 hmm. interesting. Nov 19 07:35:29 i can't get the enyo dialpad to work at all on device Nov 19 07:35:33 but it works beautifully in chrome Nov 19 07:38:23 and then when i get it sort-of working on device, it won't work at all in Chrome Nov 19 07:58:27 bah, the dialpad directory doesn't exist on Pre either Nov 19 12:21:25 just realized: as my pre3 doesn't get updates and maybe there will be no webOS phones, i would have to buy an iphone to get further in html5 dev for mobile (sites or phonegap container) Nov 19 14:26:02 leiru: my pre2 broke down and i'm heartbroken by it. but yes... and no... you can probably cross-compile the latest webkit Nov 19 14:27:12 i held an iPhone 4gs in my hand and it felt so clunky :( i thought the pre2 felt bad in comparison to the pre1, but it's still an order of magnitude better than that thing Nov 19 14:28:22 i like the feel of the pre1 Nov 19 14:40:25 fxspec06: best smartphone (from the feel it gave me) ever Nov 19 14:41:59 yep. screen curvature is perfect, body curves are perfect, but that dang usb crack & slow processor =( Nov 19 15:18:30 jo seems to be nice Nov 19 15:28:48 jo? j/lo? cup of joe? Nov 19 15:36:30 so is jo all js, like enyo, or do you define UI in tags? Nov 19 15:37:51 oh, Jo Nov 19 15:38:00 never heard of Jo. Now I see Jo Nov 19 15:38:24 looks similar to enyo in a way Nov 19 15:46:14 i asked my 'how does webOS deal with caching files for apps' one day to late Nov 19 15:46:52 ben's on vacation as of Thurs for 'a few weeks' :/ Nov 19 15:53:01 a few weeks?!? Nov 19 15:53:21 webos could be nothing by then. =| Nov 19 17:06:13 Tibfib_, ping Nov 19 17:17:13 how is everyone today? Nov 19 17:30:20 hey singmajesty! long time no see Nov 19 17:59:24 yo Nov 19 17:59:40 (delayed hi ;) Nov 19 18:01:41 hows it goin? Nov 19 18:01:45 long time no see Nov 19 18:01:55 I was just at FITC in Canada Nov 19 18:01:58 That was fun :) Nov 19 18:02:05 ...and I've been working on NME, mostly Nov 19 18:02:15 Just put out a new release and an automated installer Nov 19 18:02:33 The multi-touch app hack was won by an NME developer Nov 19 18:02:46 and a lot of people have been getting exciting about the performance benchmarks that have been coming out Nov 19 18:02:59 NME Nov 19 18:03:01 ? Nov 19 18:03:06 http://www.haxenme.org Nov 19 18:03:08 ive been working on Project Macaw :) Nov 19 18:03:34 What's that? :) Nov 19 18:03:48 a port of Phnx to the touchpad Nov 19 18:03:50 :) Nov 19 18:03:57 http://github.com/minego/phnx Nov 19 18:05:33 Yeah, the TouchPad could use a nice Twitter client Nov 19 18:05:54 Spaz and Glimpse aren't really my style Nov 19 18:06:58 u should try it ;) Nov 19 18:07:19 get the latest version from http://awesomeapps.aa.am/feeds or http://minego.net/phnx Nov 19 18:20:07 anyone knows how to require our own modules? Nov 19 18:20:18 context? Nov 19 18:20:46 like require('./node_modules/socket.io'); Nov 19 18:21:16 I get: Cannot find module './node_modules/socket.io' Nov 19 18:21:37 but if I run this in my computer, it works fine Nov 19 20:42:07 hey oh.. Nov 19 20:42:17 y Nov 19 20:42:29 has anyone used the dogbert unlocker/ Nov 19 20:49:15 hmm, it says all webOS devices are qualcomm, i coulda sworn the palm kernel dudes told me otherwise.. Nov 19 20:54:07 where does what say that all devices are qualcomm? pretty sure the pre 2 uses the same ti omap processor as the iphone 4 Nov 19 20:58:44 fxspec06: on the dogbert unlock blog, i am thinking the same as you Nov 19 21:01:12 never used it Nov 19 21:01:26 there's two separate unlockers... one for pre/pre2/pixi Nov 19 21:01:30 one for pre3/veer Nov 19 21:02:05 dwc-: I'm just referring to the language used on his blog, I don't think it's accurate.. seems weird he'd get it wrong .. Nov 19 21:02:23 the process it entails seems similar to the DU unlock instructions Nov 19 21:02:24 i guess it's moot anyways since i can't seem to get it to work on this veer :) Nov 19 21:03:17 I'd suspect he's referring to the modem though, not the main processor Nov 19 21:06:40 yeah maybe that didn't change, but i coulda sworn they told me they did.. eh Nov 19 21:06:54 dwc-: either way i see you're familiar, but you didn't give it a go? Nov 19 21:06:54 did some palm people mention it last night? Nov 19 21:07:15 someone told me about it only recently Nov 19 21:07:25 I've grabbed, and skimmed the code, but not sure whether I want to try it Nov 19 21:07:50 dwc-: no some other dude.. somebody mentioned it to me on the store's last day but i totally forgot Nov 19 21:08:21 for being GPL, there's an ARM binary blob that's used on the pre3/veer Nov 19 21:08:23 there was like 2 palm people there last night, quite the change! Nov 19 21:08:48 trying to compare it to this arm asm that's included to see what it does Nov 19 21:09:19 ? Nov 19 21:09:45 ./payload.bin vs ./patch/patch.s Nov 19 21:10:09 and trying to see if there's any description of what all these magical offsets are Nov 19 21:10:49 haha Nov 19 21:11:11 I only have 1 veer, not a pile like you, so I only get one shot Nov 19 21:11:30 and ideally, I'd like to understand which of the operations the python script does is read-write vs read-only Nov 19 21:11:45 "you only get 1 shot, 1 opportunity" Nov 19 21:12:18 i dumped a bunch at cost, now i only have like a box.. (of which 5 are with others and i need to get back.. 1 is being sheisty tho :( ) Nov 19 21:13:05 oh it unlocks it, as opposed to generating an unlock code huh? hrmm.. i see.. Nov 19 21:13:22 well, it looks like there might be two modes Nov 19 21:13:54 but it appears like it connects to the device to retrieve some information it then uses to generate the unlock code Nov 19 21:15:08 the appropriate port doesn't even show up for my in linux so might just DigitalUnlock it.. Nov 19 21:16:41 * EricBlade waves howdy Nov 19 21:17:02 * EricBlade cheers, itunes received an update that allows me to -close- it finally Nov 19 21:17:40 does it ask you to close it before you update? Nov 19 21:17:47 EricBlade: howdy! I've been frustrated with voice.google.com and voogle, so each day think more about buying your app, but i'm worried it's not going to be my panacea! Nov 19 21:18:01 why would you want to close iTunes? heresy Nov 19 21:18:22 ajay: ever since the 10.5 update, every time i hit the close button, it wuold crash, which would trigger it's auto-restart Nov 19 21:19:04 ajay: on a TouchPad, or a Pre ? Nov 19 21:19:39 phone mainly, but would use it on my TP too Nov 19 21:21:11 i'm having _so_ much trouble with wifi on these pre3s tho, everything gets compounded.. (mybe wifi was bad on my pre+/2 too, and i just never cared because i never needed it..) Nov 19 21:22:27 how can i totally reset my hp tocuhpad? i tried doctoring it but it didnt delete my ubuntu chroot.... is there a way to reset every file on the device? Nov 19 21:22:30 hmm, i'm having trouble getting this veer to ask for an unlock code.. what's the chance it's unlocked out of the box? Nov 19 21:24:06 ajay http://dogber1.blogspot.com/2011/07/unlocker-for-palm-pre-gsm-phones.html Nov 19 21:25:16 hjax: if you go to webosinternals website and find the how to recover page, there are commands on there and instructions containing code that allows you to remove and re-create the partitions.. Nov 19 21:25:45 just a suggestion Nov 19 21:26:01 ajay: almost nil, I'd guess Nov 19 21:26:14 and i don't know why it's trippin about an unactivated sim.. Nov 19 21:26:19 ajay: Pre3? My app does not have voicemail function for Pre3 at the moment, other than that, though, everything works, and I've got a much improved phone interface coming up for next update Nov 19 21:26:27 panel: haha, we've been talking about that site for the last 20 minutes :) Nov 19 21:26:36 ajay :) ok Nov 19 21:26:50 panel: I can't get it to work tho.. Nov 19 21:27:15 and i just put a H2O SIM in there but it's not asking for unlock.. better grab that verizon sim, guh, i hate shutting down to grab a sim Nov 19 21:27:18 i've buyed unlocked Nov 19 21:27:30 panel: what OS are you on? Nov 19 21:27:46 Oh you bought an unlock, i misread that to say you've been :) Nov 19 21:27:59 the cool thing about the DU unlocker is that it's java so it's all cross-platform-y Nov 19 21:28:14 ajay 2.1.2 Nov 19 21:28:39 panel: i asked that since i thought you used that dogbert unlock Nov 19 21:28:44 that's interesting about the unlocking thing. so i don't have to beat on ATT to give me an unlock code. I do seem to recall someone saying, though, that if you unlock an ATT phone without signing in on an ATT sim first, that you lose access to something or other Nov 19 21:29:13 when I received phoen Nov 19 21:29:29 it was in developer mode Nov 19 21:29:42 when i put o2 sim in there asked me for unlock code Nov 19 21:29:44 EricBlade: dwc is missing skype due to activating without an ATT sim in it Nov 19 21:30:05 ajay: pre 1 doesn't have skype anyway right Nov 19 21:30:17 ^ missing skype from the app catalog Nov 19 21:30:21 EricBlade: or so the theory goes.. supposedly skype isn't even in the appcat anymore, but i see it Nov 19 21:30:44 EricBlade: it's possible there are other apps you might miss, but that's the only one I've heard of Nov 19 21:30:54 if you can get an att sim, i'd activate it with that, just to be safe Nov 19 21:31:03 ugh, gtg Nov 19 21:31:40 rwhitby was working on some scripts to enumerate the apps visible in the app catalog Nov 19 21:32:05 I'm hoping they'll be at a state where other people can help run it to see what apps are visible on different carriers Nov 19 21:32:08 dwc-: oo, that'd be cool.. we could run it an do a quick diff Nov 19 21:32:51 s/an/and Nov 19 21:33:13 we should get palm to open the app feeds back up too ;) Nov 19 22:13:56 ahhhrgh, ok, so adding to my index.html fixes various flow problems on the Pre3, but does not on the Pre-, and also gives me serious DPI issues with the stuff on the Pre3. Is there some way to rescale my controls on the Pre3? Nov 19 22:14:40 and I have a popup dialog that refuses to scroll it's bottom all the way into view on the Pre- . the device-height thing fixed that on the Pre Nov 19 22:14:42 3 Nov 19 22:15:05 maybe i could just add some blank lines at the bottom Nov 19 22:16:33 drop the device-width Nov 19 22:17:21 setting just device-height causes it to fill the full height, but scale 1.5x to adapt to the high dpi Nov 19 22:23:06 hmm. is there a way to get it to only scale certain parts? Nov 19 23:12:21 i imagine it only scales 1.5x or 1x and both directions. otherwise leave it all unscaled and use larger resources. thats what HP Maps did. Nov 19 23:43:08 yeah i guess i'd have to figure out how to supply a different css for the pre3. not really something i want to figure out especially since i can't see it on device, and that's something that's impossible to tell via emulation Nov 20 00:04:48 the pre3 will automatically use higher-res items if it can find them Nov 20 00:15:44 yeah i want to keep the device-height to eliminate the auto-scaling, but i want to scale a few controls that are too tiny Nov 20 00:16:01 i stuck a divider at the bottom of the popup that was having scrolling issues, that solves it. heh Nov 20 01:10:32 ^^ i meant device-width above Nov 20 01:52:20 http://www.hpwebos.com/us/ Nov 20 01:54:15 sugardave: Watchin UT KSU? Nov 20 01:56:39 go pats ! (on monday) Nov 20 02:09:49 fxspec06: "Super natural." as in, it rises from the dead Nov 20 02:11:56 so.. who has a Pre 2 .. and a Google Voice account.. Nov 20 02:12:50 * fxspec06 me Nov 20 02:17:00 but i bet you knew that lol Nov 20 02:23:52 i suspected. but if you're the only one, you probably don't need a google voice program, so there's no point in my bothering to see if mine works on that platform ;) Nov 20 02:28:12 heh yeah i've got my own to work with. frustrating enough working with old code lol Nov 20 02:28:27 code that ididnt even write mind you * **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 20 02:59:58 2011