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Nov 25 06:22:52 <dwc-> EricBlade: I've seen those ads in print. the amish supposedly make the mantle.
Nov 25 06:23:50 <dwc-> and the company makes the actual heater part
Nov 25 09:28:55 <EricBlade> there've been like 20 lines said in this room in the past 24 hrs
Nov 25 09:28:55 <EricBlade> lol
Nov 25 09:29:22 <rwhitby> Thanksgiving in the US
Nov 25 09:31:16 <wrea> been too busy eating all the turkeys
Nov 25 09:53:13 <Tommy> prediction: amazon is going to sell an insanely cheap phone next year, like, $150 off contract
Nov 25 10:01:45 <EdLin> Tommy Optimus V is already $150 off contract
Nov 25 10:02:29 <Tommy> EdLin: i'm talking about a high end phone
Nov 25 10:02:53 <EdLin> OK, that's a fairly good prediction.
Nov 25 10:02:55 <Tommy> EdLin: dual core, 1gb ram, qHD or 720p
Nov 25 10:03:23 <Tommy> EdLin: they're supposedly planning a smartphone, and what did they do with their tablet? paid $201.70 for production and sell it for $199 because they know it gets people into their ecosystem
Nov 25 10:03:28 <EdLin> Tommy next year, that won't be a high end phone for long. Not considering quad core's performace.
Nov 25 10:03:37 <Tommy> if they released a $150 phone to compete with anything out there?
Nov 25 10:03:50 <Tommy> EdLin: quad core phones won't even be out till q2 minimum
Nov 25 10:04:09 <Tommy> and look how long it took for dual core to become standard, the atrix had a tegra 2 in february and there were only 2 dual core phones by like may
Nov 25 10:04:16 <EdLin> Tommy Tegra 3 hardware is already out on tablets
Nov 25 10:04:22 <Tommy> and?
Nov 25 10:04:27 <Tommy> are you questioning what nvidia says about q2?
Nov 25 10:04:32 <Tommy> or making up your own dates because you see it in tablets
Nov 25 10:04:54 <EdLin> OK, didn't see nvidia's game plan for phones.
Nov 25 10:05:03 <Tommy> yeah they said it'd be quite a while
Nov 25 10:05:12 <Tommy> so i figure amazon will go with the same chipset, or similar, as the fire
Nov 25 10:05:24 <Tommy> OMAP4 with a gig of ram
Nov 25 10:05:44 <Tommy> and i'll be honest, even to buy it as a backup phone, i'd totally spend $150 on one
Nov 25 10:06:33 <EdLin> Tommy that depends of course if it works on my network.
Nov 25 10:07:04 <Tommy> EdLin: no it doesn't, i don't care if it works on your network
Nov 25 10:07:09 <Tommy> all i care is that it works on mine :)
Nov 25 10:07:12 <EdLin> Tommy lol
Nov 25 10:07:25 <Tommy> it can be verizon or t-mobile and i'd buy it, family's on verizon, i'm on t-mobile
Nov 25 10:07:35 <Tommy> so i like my chances
Nov 25 10:07:36 <EdLin> Tommy Amazon Kindle uses atandt
Nov 25 10:07:44 <EdLin> used to use Sprint
Nov 25 10:08:06 <Tommy> yeah, and that means a lot
Nov 25 10:08:19 <EdLin> well, they could pick a different partner for the phone.
Nov 25 10:08:32 <Tommy> or release it for multiple carriers
Nov 25 10:08:37 <Tommy> nexus S is pentaband HSPA+
Nov 25 10:09:03 <Tommy> err no, galaxy nexus*
Nov 25 10:09:11 <EdLin> Tommy I was about to say...
Nov 25 10:09:18 <Tommy> yeah mistyped, too tired
Nov 25 14:12:46 <Tibfib> ergh, I need to test my app in a web environment. Stupid mojo
Nov 25 14:44:34 <Tibfib> hmmmmmmm, why would my pre3 report this.controller.window.screenHeight to be 505...
Nov 25 15:02:39 <panel> Tibfib: have you resolved it ?
Nov 25 15:03:04 <Tibfib> nope
Nov 25 15:03:22 <panel> have you black bar at the bottom ?
Nov 25 15:03:36 <Tibfib> nope
Nov 25 15:03:39 <panel> hmm
Nov 25 15:04:16 <panel> because some people aske me to add <meta name='viewport' content='height=device-height,width=device-width'> to index.html
Nov 25 15:04:19 <panel> for pre3
Nov 25 15:04:24 <Tibfib> yeah, I did that
Nov 25 15:05:08 <panel> this.controller.window.innerHeight
Nov 25 15:05:17 <panel> this what returns to you ?
Nov 25 15:06:09 <Tibfib> yep that returns around 500… but I would expect it to be around 800
Nov 25 15:06:22 <panel> yes
Nov 25 15:06:29 <panel> that's strange
Nov 25 15:10:31 <panel> screenHeight and innerHeight returns same value ?
Nov 25 15:12:42 <Tibfib> Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.screenHeight gives me 800
Nov 25 15:13:14 <panel> great
Nov 25 15:13:50 <Tibfib> not really. That one never changes
Nov 25 15:13:52 <Tibfib> it should give 800
Nov 25 15:14:09 <Tibfib> window.innerHeight should change based on the current info..
Nov 25 15:14:14 <panel> ah so
Nov 25 15:14:15 <panel> this.controller.sceneElement.clientHeight
Nov 25 15:14:17 <panel> this ?
Nov 25 15:14:30 <Tibfib> I'll try it
Nov 25 15:14:42 <Tibfib> window.innerHeight works on pre2 and pre-
Nov 25 15:15:01 <panel> yes
Nov 25 15:15:09 <panel> i know there's aome bug
Nov 25 15:15:12 <panel> *some
Nov 25 15:21:45 <panel> Tibfib let me know if it's working, I don't have pre3
Nov 25 15:34:33 <Tibfib> just went with my workaround
Nov 25 16:04:25 <ioNull> hi, all, why setWakeup notification will also launch the app?(can't I just show dashboard?
Nov 25 16:32:58 <matbee> hmmm
Nov 25 16:33:11 <matbee> so I just fought off an urge to purchase a touchpad... and Ive got two codes available
Nov 25 16:33:19 <matbee> north america..
Nov 25 16:42:31 <Loudergood> I caved, there's no way I can lose money on it. If I keep it and use it for programming like I plan to, it's a steal at that price. If I suddenly need the money it'll be easy to get what I paid for it.
Nov 25 16:51:35 <EricBlade> ioNull: set it up so that it launches it with a launch parameter that your app recognizes to open just the dashboard
Nov 25 16:52:11 <EricBlade> matbee: the dev store is out out, they say.. so unless they've got a few reserved for coupons that haven't yet been redeemed.. that's the end of that
Nov 25 16:52:32 <EricBlade> Loudergood: we'll expect an application forthcoming from you shortly. :D
Nov 25 17:05:42 <Tibfib> hmmm, can't decide whether to sell my 32gb touchpad, or keep it
Nov 25 17:05:58 <Tibfib> not going to use it… but it'd be cool to have in 10 years, new, unopened
Nov 25 17:06:04 <Tibfib> (this is my second one)
Nov 25 17:06:22 <panel> :))
Nov 25 17:06:32 <panel> lucky you
Nov 25 17:06:39 <panel> have 2 touchpads
Nov 25 17:08:19 <panel> my order from b&n was cancelled
Nov 25 17:08:43 <panel> and i'm thinking about buying from ebay
Nov 25 17:09:50 <EricBlade> anyone know what the going rate on unlocked gsm pre2s are?
Nov 25 17:11:22 <panel> on ebay ?
Nov 25 17:11:37 <EricBlade> ebay/otherwise used
Nov 25 17:11:40 <panel> 160-200
Nov 25 17:11:41 <panel> for new
Nov 25 17:12:25 <EricBlade> got a local-ish guy with a 32g touchpad and unlocked/used pre2 for $275.. but i have no interest in paying for the touchpad.. and he did find someone who didn't want the phone..
Nov 25 17:13:33 <panel> touchpad is used too ?
Nov 25 17:13:40 <fxspec06> hi guys
Nov 25 17:13:48 <fxspec06> where can i find a list of the apps on sale today?
Nov 25 17:13:57 <fxspec06> the blog post doesn't list any
Nov 25 17:19:28 <EricBlade> panel: the touchpad is without a box, so i'm assuming used/stolen haha
Nov 25 17:19:41 <EricBlade> they both look new from the pics though
Nov 25 17:20:10 <panel> hmm, I'm afraid of that cracks around display
Nov 25 17:20:32 <EricBlade> fxspec06: the blog post lists Grinch, Audubon Trees, Tannenbaum, Weight Loss Yoga ..
Nov 25 17:46:34 <dwc-> sale and a bunch of app updates got through, my TP beeped at me and I was just in store yesterday
Nov 25 17:48:24 <fxspec06> so those are the only ones that are on sale?
Nov 25 17:48:37 <dwc-> quell reflect hd looks to be $1
Nov 25 17:48:46 <dwc-> dunno who's sale that is though
Nov 25 17:52:07 <EricBlade> i don't see any app updates today other than CBS Sports .. all the others were in on Wednesday
Nov 25 17:52:38 <Tibfib> no clue what is going on with the sale
Nov 25 17:54:27 <Tibfib> NOMNOMNOM is on sale for black friday. Comes with coupon for free hug. Redeemable by closest person.
Nov 25 17:54:57 <dwc-> whoops, my virtual cc for palm expired
Nov 25 17:55:02 <dwc-> can't buy apps
Nov 25 17:55:16 * dwc- goes to generate another one
Nov 25 17:57:28 <dwc-> so tibfib, anyone have you arrested or file a restraining order from redeeming your coupons?
Nov 25 18:03:29 <fxspec06> wildn comes with a free quality of assurance coupon. if you're unhappy, just meet me out back and we can "talk things out"
Nov 25 18:04:15 <panel> bye
Nov 25 18:15:41 <fxspec06> this is a great graph: http://excapite.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/app_stores_vs_web.jpg
Nov 25 18:34:19 <EricBlade> any phone apps on sale today i wonder?
Nov 25 18:45:55 <EricBlade> supersonic is showing for phones.. that might not be a bf sale though
Nov 25 19:07:49 <dwc-> app news!
Nov 25 19:07:52 <dwc-> discounted, not free
Nov 25 19:08:16 <dwc-> supersonic is not part of the sale
Nov 25 19:10:28 <dwc-> Splashtop Remote Desktop HD, Doodle Fit, Smart Office, FlashCards, AuctionMate Pro for eBay, WordBook English Dictionary & Thesaurus, Big Boss, Audubon Trees, Trudie Styler's Weight Loss Yoga, Quell Reflect HD, Quell HD [non-hd versions appear to be on sale too, but are not listed in this newsletter], Totemo HD, Everlands HD, Buka HD, EVAC HD, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, The Berenstain Bears' Christmas Tree
Nov 25 19:13:56 <EricBlade> and a $25 zinio credit too
Nov 25 19:14:14 <EricBlade> not a bad selection at all really
Nov 25 19:16:00 <dwc-> credit with purchase, it sounds like, not free-free credit
Nov 25 19:18:35 <EricBlade> still not a bad deal
Nov 25 19:20:56 <dwc-> nope, esp not if the 6 free issues still is there
Nov 25 19:24:43 <panel> hello
Nov 25 19:34:18 <EricBlade> nice, about 15 mintues after t-mobile finally gets my complaining message, my download speeds at home go way up, although ping time still kinda blows
Nov 25 19:36:02 <EricBlade> 25seconds to get started on a music stream, and it's still not stable.  maybe i should try lowering the bitrate drastically
Nov 25 19:38:05 <EricBlade> and then after that test, the data speeds drop back into the toilet. oh well
Nov 25 19:42:21 <fxspec06> EricBlade: tomorrow, they will be perfectly fine for another 2 weeks
Nov 25 19:42:40 <fxspec06> then they will randomly suck suring a clear, sunny day
Nov 25 19:43:05 <EricBlade> i wonder if i can get a reasonably tolerable bitrate to work reasonably well from the car
Nov 25 19:46:09 <dwc-> sigh. I wish apps would turn off autocorrect in email input fields
Nov 25 19:46:23 <dwc-> if the car isn't moving it works pretty good ;)
Nov 25 19:46:40 * dwc- un-autocorrects 3 parts of his email address
Nov 25 20:41:39 <EricBlade> well my streamer should be able to auto-adjust the bitrate down if i'm connecting to it from the mobile.
Nov 25 21:29:12 <Famic> hi
Nov 25 21:32:46 <Famic> I'd like to display a large image (8000x8000px) and be able to zoom in/out and move around in it. Looks like I need to build my own app in order to do so. Could anyone tell me what methods I'll need to use ?
Nov 25 22:02:02 <Tibfib> dwc-: not yet
Nov 25 22:02:40 <armenianplayer> yo
Nov 25 22:02:47 <armenianplayer> can anyone help me with overclocking?
Nov 25 22:12:04 <rwhitby> Yes.  Follow the instructions in http://bit.ly/phd-ac
Nov 25 22:15:56 <Tibfib> heh, he left before you could respond in both channels.
Nov 25 22:34:51 <panel> gnight
Nov 25 22:51:52 <Famic> when in a stage view, how do you target the images directory of the app ?
Nov 25 23:35:18 <fxspec06> 'stage view' ?
Nov 25 23:59:20 <Famic> anyone familiar with the imageViewer widget ? I'm using it to view a large image (8000x8000px) and I get a low def image and can't zoom into it as much as I'd like to
Nov 25 23:59:33 <Famic> I used the code from http://webos101.com/ImageView
Nov 26 00:00:15 <Famic> just removed the noExcractFS attribute and tried a few others
Nov 26 00:10:37 <fxspec06> famic: not really too sure about it.. but i do know webos has a problem w/ low res images
Nov 26 00:10:52 <fxspec06> well, displaying high res images as low res*
Nov 26 00:11:32 <Famic> fxspec06: I have a problem displaying a high res image as high res :/
Nov 26 00:15:16 <fxspec06> ya that's what i mean
Nov 26 00:15:21 <fxspec06> i'm pretty sure you can't
Nov 26 00:16:08 <fxspec06> when the browser loads images, it downscales them for performance (i believe).. there's no way that i know of to load them as high res
Nov 26 00:17:08 <Famic> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/mojo/widgets/image-view.html
Nov 26 00:17:23 <Famic> there are cues about highResolutionLoadTimeout or extractfsParams
Nov 26 00:19:12 <Famic> seems to me it's supposed to load a low def image only as a placeholder, and only keep it if highResolutionLoadTimeout has expired and the high res still isn't loaded
Nov 26 00:19:16 <Famic> sounds like it anyway
Nov 26 00:20:59 <Famic> I pushed it to 20000, didn't seem to make any difference
Nov 26 00:25:51 <fxspec06> oh
Nov 26 00:25:54 <fxspec06> set noExtractFS to true
Nov 26 00:26:18 <fxspec06> that 'outta do it
Nov 26 00:27:36 <Famic> I wish it was that simple... but it "prevent looking up a high res version", and whether it's false or true doesn't change anything
Nov 26 00:30:15 <fxspec06> extractfsParams
Nov 26 00:30:49 <fxspec06> try setting that to something like... "4000:4000:3" ?
Nov 26 00:31:22 <fxspec06> where's sugardave when you need him
Nov 26 00:31:26 <Famic> I tried 8000:8000:3 and 8000:8000:10, no noticeable change
Nov 26 00:32:32 <Famic> at this point I'm not really sure the attributes passed to the widget constructor do anything at all
Nov 26 00:32:58 <fxspec06> =|
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