**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 27 02:59:57 2011
Nov 27 03:08:41 <EricBlade> yeah but i'll have 3 different monitor sizes
Nov 27 03:08:58 <EricBlade> 2 wide and one square lcd
Nov 27 03:10:07 <fxspec06> should buy monitors 3 at a time
Nov 27 03:11:17 <fxspec06> "oh honey look they have this monitor on sale!" "cool! can you pick me up 3 on the way to bunco?"
Nov 27 03:22:46 <wrea> lol
Nov 27 04:02:08 <EricBlade> i got my first lcd after a cat nearly collapsed my desk that had 2 19" CRTs.. was pretty much a must
Nov 27 04:02:19 <EricBlade> second one i got a huge overstock sale at a local shop
Nov 27 04:02:27 <EricBlade> third one is going to be someone's used ancient junk
Nov 27 04:09:00 <mscoolnerd> im just curious, for saving data locally in enyo apps, what method is recommended to save the information? (like HTML5 storage or what?)
Nov 27 04:13:21 <EricBlade> possibly depends on your target platform
Nov 27 04:13:38 <EricBlade> and your needs for storage
Nov 27 04:13:59 <EricBlade> webos 2 and 3 appear to have support for all of the html5 storage stuff
Nov 27 04:14:29 <EricBlade> there's also a database service that you can work with, that i have absolutely no clue how to operate
Nov 27 04:15:42 <EricBlade> gvoice kinda cheaps out and just uses localStorage, if it's not available, it sets cookies
Nov 27 04:16:15 <mscoolnerd> ah ok. because you see im writing a small touchpad app that keeps track of Boy Scout achievements that the person has completed and im trying to figure out how to save that information
Nov 27 04:16:17 * EricBlade chuckles at the new guy in the dev forum who's porting a game from BadaOS.  and we thought -we- had a dead platform
Nov 27 04:18:19 <wrea> I thought Bada was pretty widespread in Asia
Nov 27 04:19:31 <mscoolnerd> they released ver 2 in august
Nov 27 04:20:13 <EricBlade> i'd never even heard of a device that used it.. ok maybe not dead
Nov 27 04:21:08 <wrea> They haven't brought a device with it into the states
Nov 27 04:21:15 <mscoolnerd> yeah i think it exists it just doesn't have a large presence in the US
Nov 27 04:21:20 <wrea> Asia and Europe
Nov 27 04:21:21 <fxspec06> BadaOS..
Nov 27 04:21:34 <fxspec06> what is BadaOS?
Nov 27 04:21:41 <fxspec06> do people care about BadaOS?
Nov 27 04:21:45 <mscoolnerd> http://www.bada.com/
Nov 27 04:22:49 <fxspec06> hmm samsung
Nov 27 04:23:31 <fxspec06> they have a cool website, but i must admit..... it's not as cool as the webos website
Nov 27 04:23:39 * fxspec06 ducks
Nov 27 04:24:31 <wrea> At least the bada site advertises that there are devices using it
Nov 27 04:25:35 <fxspec06> palm has better taste than sammy does though
Nov 27 04:51:49 <mscoolnerd> this might be another stupid question, but how do you make a text Input stretch to take up all available vertical space?
Nov 27 05:00:43 <fxspec06> put it in a vflexlayout w/ flex:1 ?
Nov 27 05:01:21 <fxspec06> set height to 100%?
Nov 27 05:03:12 <mscoolnerd> ah, thanks! im sorry, comming from a C/C++ background im still trying to get the hang of all of this
Nov 27 05:04:32 <fxspec06> mmmk yeah { kind: enyo.Input, height: "100%", } should take care of it..
Nov 27 05:05:03 * fxspec06 needs to learn c++
Nov 27 05:05:14 <mscoolnerd> yeah. thanks! actually your vflexlayout w/ flex:1 worked pretty well
Nov 27 05:05:30 <mscoolnerd> haha you should! c++ is fun
Nov 27 05:09:06 <fxspec06> cool cool. yeah i wanted to take it next semester but they didn't have it around my schedule =|
Nov 27 05:09:28 <mscoolnerd> ah are you a college student?
Nov 27 05:10:12 <fxspec06> yep i'm a college student
Nov 27 05:10:27 <fxspec06> but learned all coding up til next semester on my own
Nov 27 05:10:45 <mscoolnerd> ah nice... well you could teach yourself... i say that because im only a high school student haha
Nov 27 05:10:54 <fxspec06> actually, next semester i take web development I << pretty sure i pass that now
Nov 27 05:12:14 <fxspec06> back when i was in high school, i couldn't afford a smartphone or fancy programming tools. i coded using graphing calculators and a black and white screen
Nov 27 05:12:25 <mscoolnerd> hahaha nice :P
Nov 27 05:12:25 <fxspec06> (uphill both ways)
Nov 27 05:12:31 <mscoolnerd> hahaha
Nov 27 05:12:57 <mscoolnerd> i've got an HP 95LX that i program from time to time
Nov 27 05:13:44 <mscoolnerd> i've been making a touchpad app that combines a couple of my little math homework "helper" programs haha
Nov 27 05:14:04 <fxspec06> nice!
Nov 27 05:14:25 <fxspec06> i made that wild'n video poker game
Nov 27 05:14:35 <mscoolnerd> hahaha for what platform?
Nov 27 05:14:40 <fxspec06> and voogle xl. although it's hard to find time for it
Nov 27 05:14:45 <fxspec06> it's on the touchpad
Nov 27 05:15:00 <mscoolnerd> wait.....! you made voogle xl??
Nov 27 05:15:09 <fxspec06> free version is front page
Nov 27 05:15:25 <fxspec06> that would be correct
Nov 27 05:16:04 <mscoolnerd> wow! haha i was just looking at that app. my touchpad isn't comming in until tuesday but i saw that app an im probably going to buy it
Nov 27 05:16:11 <mscoolnerd> (and i never buy apps haha)
Nov 27 05:16:58 <fxspec06> i use it all the time.. it's a good one
Nov 27 05:17:05 <fxspec06> that and glimpse. you should buy glimpse
Nov 27 05:17:19 <mscoolnerd> what's glimpse?
Nov 27 05:18:10 <fxspec06> it's a multitasking app. hard to explain.. it enables you to do hardcore multitasking.. you can open multiple "widgets" on the same screen, but each widget is like a full app
Nov 27 05:18:31 <fxspec06> so like you can have the browser, twitter, weather, clock, notes, and doodle all on the same screen
Nov 27 05:18:37 <fxspec06> you can thank inglorious apps for that one
Nov 27 05:18:46 <Tibfib> glimpse is definitely an acquired taste.. I don't really find myself using it.
Nov 27 05:18:52 <mscoolnerd> hm... sounds interesting...
Nov 27 05:18:57 <Tibfib> goodnight
Nov 27 05:19:03 <fxspec06> gnite tib
Nov 27 05:19:10 <mscoolnerd> night Tibfib_
Nov 27 05:19:28 <mscoolnerd> fxspec06: if you don't mind me asking, what's your name?
Nov 27 05:19:58 <fxspec06> it's a neat app. i admit i don't use it a -ton, but it's cool to have browser and twitter open on same screen
Nov 27 05:20:17 <mscoolnerd> nevermind then haha. ah cool
Nov 27 05:20:28 <fxspec06> you can call me..... bryan
Nov 27 05:20:34 <fxspec06> or fx
Nov 27 05:21:25 <mscoolnerd> ah cool. my name's Mark. nice to meet you
Nov 27 05:21:49 <fxspec06> same to you
Nov 27 05:22:12 <fxspec06> p.s. you can download wild'n free, #21 recommended apps
Nov 27 05:22:38 <fxspec06> if you wanted to see. i'm tired tho going to bed soon
Nov 27 05:22:53 <mscoolnerd> haha ah, ok. i might take a look at it
Nov 27 05:40:01 <halfhalo> lemon!
Nov 27 05:40:32 <akanster> party!
Nov 27 05:41:15 <halfhalo> sick mind!
Nov 27 05:41:57 <akanster> you started it!
Nov 27 05:42:06 <halfhalo> Lies
Nov 27 05:42:07 <fxspec06> gtfo!
Nov 27 05:42:26 * halfhalo has been playing that thing called bf3
Nov 27 05:42:46 <akanster> aka MW3 Lite
Nov 27 05:42:48 <fxspec06> three of my friends bought that game at BBBF
Nov 27 05:43:07 <fxspec06> meanwhile, i walked out with a full priced targus backpack
Nov 27 05:43:12 <halfhalo> booo mw3
Nov 27 05:43:21 <fxspec06> and a bottle of smart water.
Nov 27 05:43:22 * halfhalo hearts bf3
Nov 27 05:43:33 <akanster> fxspec06: you did it wrong
Nov 27 05:44:02 <fxspec06> i know =( none of them even wanted to go, iw as only there for the $8.99 backpack. but they were out, and i needed one
Nov 27 05:44:48 <fxspec06> place was nuts though. line went in a zig zag in and around the entire store
Nov 27 05:44:58 <halfhalo> I have a (virtual) stack of games to play
Nov 27 05:45:08 <akanster> heh, reminds me of the first time I did black friday years ago.  Walmart at 5 am. Ended up with fucking towels when everything I wanted was gone.  Stood in line for 50 mins to pay full price for said towels.
Nov 27 05:45:37 <fxspec06> i just hate walking out with nothing. waited an hour and a half in line..... wth
Nov 27 05:45:47 <fxspec06> i guess i coulda got forza 4 for $35..
Nov 27 05:45:53 <halfhalo> mmmm... forza 4....
Nov 27 05:46:00 <fxspec06> but i really wanted nhl 2012 and that was full price.
Nov 27 05:47:14 * halfhalo has forza 4
Nov 27 05:47:24 <halfhalo> aka  the 2012 m5 simulator
Nov 27 05:48:37 <halfhalo> because really, thats the best car
Nov 27 05:48:54 <EricBlade> hmm. i need to figure out how to best lay out this music player app.  because god knows there aren't enough music players for webos .. :|
Nov 27 05:49:07 <fxspec06> it was cool tho. i got to experience waiting in line, something i'd only done for reasonable things in moderation
Nov 27 05:50:42 <halfhalo> I am a firm believer in the bf3 philosophy that grenade launchers are to be used soley for remodeling of buildings
Nov 27 05:51:04 <fxspec06> okay. i kinda really want bf3 now
Nov 27 05:51:21 <fxspec06> but only because halfhalo has it and is talking about it right now. tomorrow i won't want it.
Nov 27 05:51:30 <halfhalo> yes you will
Nov 27 05:52:22 <halfhalo> FOR ZE MOTHERLAND!!!
Nov 27 05:52:43 <fxspec06> i got to experience MW3 .. it was a decent game. but the same game as all the other COD's
Nov 27 05:53:00 <halfhalo> ya
Nov 27 05:53:08 <halfhalo> bf3 is better
Nov 27 05:53:14 <halfhalo> and bigger
Nov 27 05:53:31 <halfhalo> and there are shotgun frag rounds, aka little explosiony balls of death
Nov 27 05:53:36 <fxspec06> maybe i need to re-read the review for it. it probably deserves a second attention
Nov 27 05:54:38 <halfhalo> Patches have helped make it more stable, and they are nerfing the flashlight
Nov 27 05:55:59 <fxspec06> have you played crysis 2? is it better than crysis 2? because crysis 2 wasn't that great IMO
Nov 27 05:56:24 <halfhalo> crysis 2 was.... meh
Nov 27 05:56:32 <fxspec06> crysis 1 and crysis warhead > crysis 2
Nov 27 05:57:01 <halfhalo> Take crysis 2, stick in crysis 1 suit and warhead graphics + some more shinyness and it would have been awezing
Nov 27 05:57:50 <halfhalo> bf3 == bf2 but with bc2 exploding houses and fancy weapons customizations
Nov 27 05:58:01 <fxspec06> yep basically. instead they went ahead and gone done fd it up
Nov 27 05:58:02 <halfhalo> did I mention exploding houses?
Nov 27 05:58:50 <fxspec06> i really like things that explode
Nov 27 05:58:53 <halfhalo> also: exploding living establishments
Nov 27 05:58:58 <fxspec06> you're making a compelling argument
Nov 27 05:59:45 <halfhalo> I know
Nov 27 05:59:50 <halfhalo> although im lagging
Nov 27 05:59:57 <halfhalo> which means my brother is on his 360
Nov 27 05:59:58 <halfhalo> grrr
Nov 27 06:01:34 <fxspec06> isn't that a good thing (if you have host) or are the servers privately hosted
Nov 27 06:02:01 * fxspec06 tired, going to sleep
Nov 27 06:02:40 <halfhalo> servers are dedicated servers but through a game server host
Nov 27 06:03:25 <fxspec06> so someone in the match is the host
Nov 27 06:04:06 <halfhalo> no
Nov 27 06:04:18 <halfhalo> by game server host I mean an actual game server hosting company
Nov 27 06:05:03 <fxspec06> i see, are those official or just hardcore players paying?
Nov 27 06:05:33 <fxspec06> pc online never gets good treatment
Nov 27 06:06:10 <fxspec06> k goodnight
Nov 27 06:06:14 <halfhalo> ea hosts some servers, but anyone can rent one
Nov 27 06:31:10 * EricBlade sighs. someone just released an android google voice called... gvoice
Nov 27 06:32:39 <EricBlade> i suppose it wasn't exactly the most original name ever anyway
Nov 27 06:46:52 * EricBlade raises a fist to the sky .. damn you splashtop! daaaaaaaaaamn youuuuuuuuuuuu
Nov 27 06:47:25 <wrea> huh, i seemed to have somehow f'd up pulseaudio
Nov 27 06:47:48 <EricBlade> aren't you toying with it's internals or something like that?
Nov 27 06:48:29 <wrea> just adding modules, i havent touched anything else
Nov 27 06:48:56 <wrea> i havent really used anything with sound since last night and it was working fine then
Nov 27 08:04:41 <EricBlade> i was just comparorating all the mobile devices in my house to see how my website looks on all of them.. good god the iPod/iPhone 4 display tech is amazing compared to .. everything else
Nov 27 16:30:38 <Tibfib_> what I need in gmail: once I select multiple messages, have a "reply to authors" button.
Nov 27 17:01:05 <dwc-> that sounds like you should be using mutt =]
Nov 27 18:38:31 <halfhalo> muuuuurder!
Nov 27 18:52:12 <halfhalo> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Nov 27 20:38:56 <panel> hello
Nov 27 21:00:38 <mscoolnerd> panel: hello
Nov 27 22:08:21 <pee_pee> hi
Nov 28 00:41:42 <madnificent> could someone point me to an explenation of how to disassemble the pre2?
Nov 28 00:41:57 <madnificent> my google skills don't help me out, they show everything of the pre-
Nov 28 00:55:16 <madnificent> i found http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2 and am somewhat stuck atm
Nov 28 01:03:30 <dwc-> the pre- and the pre2 are almost identical, afaik
Nov 28 01:15:55 <madnificent> dwc-: yeah, but the board looked different, so it scared the shit out of me
Nov 28 01:16:22 <madnificent> i really like the pre2, though the gsm and charger boards are failing (nothing physical happened with the device though).  I've just tried to clean it out right now
Nov 28 01:16:26 <madnificent> I'll see what happens...
Nov 28 01:23:51 <madnificent> strange... the phone app doesn't show my phone number.  it shows a number, but it's not mine...
Nov 28 01:27:18 <mscoolnerd> its probably anonymous :P
Nov 28 01:27:26 <madnificent> lol
Nov 28 01:27:51 <madnificent> or a broken sim... (it would be awesome if that were the case, but it would be odd that the pre2 doesn't charge correctly anymore due to such an issue)
Nov 28 01:28:06 <madnificent> though the charging does seem software related, to some extent
Nov 28 01:30:19 <madnificent> nope, cleaning didn't help
Nov 28 01:30:23 <madnificent> FUCK THIS
Nov 28 01:36:31 <mscoolnerd> did you try doing a factory restore to rule out any software issues?
Nov 28 01:37:01 <madnificent> mscoolnerd: yup, did it three times.  ran without any doctoring the last time to ensure it couldn't possibly be that
Nov 28 01:37:23 <madnificent> i did not, however, delete my personal data, i don't see how that could interfere though
Nov 28 01:38:01 <mscoolnerd> madnificent: ah, ok. i'm not really sure... im not that familiar with the pre2
Nov 28 01:38:36 <madnificent> mscoolnerd: if you'd be in doubt, it's awesome!  (though i still prefer to have a regular pre in my hands, it feels more natural)
Nov 28 01:40:34 <madnificent> odd, android shows the wrong number also
Nov 28 01:40:39 <mscoolnerd> ah cool haha its ok. no smart phone for me.. can't afford the data plan, so i deal with my little Kin phone
Nov 28 01:40:43 * madnificent doesn't like these discoveries
Nov 28 01:41:15 <madnificent> in belgium we have this awesome pro-geek provider which came out of nowhere and whom supports us geeks with fair prices
Nov 28 01:41:52 <mscoolnerd> thats awesome... yeah, really nothing like that here in the US of A
Nov 28 01:42:34 <madnificent> start one!
Nov 28 01:42:43 <madnificent> it's not much more complex than that to be honoust
Nov 28 01:43:08 <mscoolnerd> ?
Nov 28 01:43:09 <madnificent> mobile vikings is just a reseller, putting their focus on things geeks want (like VoIP for calls if you want it, and a fair data plan)
Nov 28 01:43:45 <madnificent> I have no contract with them, it's pre-payed.  every month in which i pay 15 euros, i get 1Gb data transfer and 1000 sms messages (+ the money to call to friends, but that's pricey)
Nov 28 01:45:30 <madnificent> they basically started reselling what another network provided here.  it's a rather smart move and it does inflict change on the big players.  data costs are less than half of what they were a year ago (when MV started)
Nov 28 01:55:55 <mscoolnerd> ah... 15 euros... thats about $30? cause i think for Verizon its about $30 a month for about the same amount that you get
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