**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 06 02:59:57 2011 Dec 06 03:00:18 I tried like 5 times. Dec 06 03:00:24 I even tried Windows Phone Dec 06 03:00:37 I finally just did "Phone" and it worked Dec 06 03:02:38 haha Dec 06 03:02:54 why are you using windows phone? Dec 06 03:48:52 wife dropped her pixi and broke the screen today Dec 06 03:49:13 activated the last spare I have on hand Dec 06 03:49:25 next time, it's android or iphone, I guess. Dec 06 03:50:46 maybe Tommy will sell me his pixi Dec 06 03:51:47 I use the pixi as a bookmark. works great Dec 06 03:52:43 she still loves the pixi and doesn't want to switch. But I'm out of replacements. Dec 06 03:54:49 heh, buy Tommy's Dec 06 03:55:02 he's been looking for a buyer Dec 06 04:08:21 hahahahahaah https://twitter.com/#!/badbanana/status/143798479855157249 Dec 06 04:29:52 should have put in a bulk order haeffb Dec 06 04:30:32 hp store had them for like $15 or $20 in qty > 3 Dec 06 05:09:54 hooning in the snow.. parking lot near my house destroyed :D Dec 06 05:16:27 lol dawm Dec 06 09:11:37 wow... setting up a row of 6 buttons, the Pre+ can't keep up with input to them Dec 06 09:11:56 at 1.1ghz Dec 06 09:17:04 It's got better things to do than keep up with the Buttonses. Dec 06 09:17:20 no, it doesn't. :| Dec 06 09:18:48 darn Dec 06 15:46:40 Xbox 360 sold more than 960,000 consoles in the U.S. alone, of which more than 800,000 were sold within a period of 24 hours – the biggest week of sales in Xbox history. (Source: Internal data) Dec 06 15:46:41 More than 750,000 Kinect for Xbox 360 sensors were sold in the U.S. – standalone and bundled. (Source: Internal data) Dec 06 16:56:39 * halfhalo dies Dec 06 16:59:57 goodbye halfhalo Dec 06 17:00:48 it looks like my pre2 has sprung back to life, hope it lasts forever! Dec 06 17:49:16 umm.. is there a way to record calls on pre? i just had a company admit that they are robocalling my cell Dec 06 17:50:10 before doing that, you might want to doublecheck wiretap laws in your region Dec 06 17:50:12 lol Dec 06 17:50:26 they told me up front the call was being recorded on their end Dec 06 17:51:33 i said "you do realize that robocalling a cell phone is a felony in Michigan, right?" *click* Dec 06 17:52:53 http://twitter.com/#!/marcoarment/statuses/144107399647723520 - simple fb exploit Dec 06 17:53:01 amazing. same number called me 17 times yesterday, each time I politely said that it was a wrong number, they said it would be taken care of by today. today, i'm getting them slower, but now i'm being angry. Dec 06 18:04:37 yes, but that doesn't mean /you/ can record it without notifying /them/ Dec 06 18:12:58 dwc-: depending on the state, in most i believe the other party does not need to be notified of a recording Dec 06 18:13:12 in New York, for example, i know only 1 party needs to be aware that the conversation is being recorded Dec 06 18:13:56 EricBlade: also, you can use google voice to record incoming calls, it notifies the other side with a little automated message Dec 06 18:14:50 at voice.google.com go to settings, calls, call options... Enable recording (4), Switch (*) and Conferencing options on inbound calls Dec 06 18:15:12 it's also different when you're recording someone committing a crime .. unfortunately, they are directly calling my cell, not my google voice. so i can't record. and if they were calling my google voice, it wouldn't be illegal Dec 06 18:16:10 yes, it depends on the state, that's why I said he should check Dec 06 18:16:53 yes, many states it is 1-party, I think the largest ones by population are not Dec 06 18:17:08 and no, it's not different if you're recording someone committing a crime Dec 06 18:17:11 in any case, my call logs are more than enough evidence, but the guy at the other end of the line admitting to me when i pointed out that they already called 17 times yesterday, that it was all a robodialer, would definitely push it Dec 06 18:19:54 oh, hey, FTC says they can charge a company $16k per call Dec 06 18:20:02 wonder how much of that the consumer sees.. probably 0. Dec 06 18:21:52 bah, that's only on prerecorded calls. no federal rules covering robodialed but live-person Dec 06 18:24:38 the FCC website always made it sound like automated dialers entirely were banned from use with cell phones Dec 06 18:26:30 hmm. maybe fcc was checking with ftc Dec 06 18:26:44 arrggh my blog is under massive spam attack too Dec 06 18:41:04 where have you giving all your information EricBlade ? Dec 06 18:41:39 it's a brand new phone number. i was getting one or two calls a day when i first got it, now it's in the 10s and 20s Dec 06 18:42:01 well it's a new phone number to me. i presume that it has been in dialing lists for some time Dec 06 18:42:26 i guess now that the dialers are getting a voicemail instead of a disconnect, they are going crazy on it Dec 06 18:42:48 you could try the do not call registry, maybe? Dec 06 18:43:11 though sometimes I wonder if that will just become a do-call ._. Dec 06 18:43:48 yeah i'm not aware of that ever stopping anyone, and i'm pretty sure that is where politicians get their number lists to start with these days, since they are allowed Dec 06 18:44:53 hello Dec 06 18:50:57 i really do not like being as sick as i feel, i am really grumpy, and i hate it Dec 06 18:51:01 and i can't think Dec 06 18:51:49 and i'm getting a syntax error in a section of code that doesn't even exist Dec 06 18:52:09 :/ Dec 06 18:52:13 what error Dec 06 18:52:40 "Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL, /mainApp/index.html:29" Dec 06 18:52:45 index.html is only.. 15 lines Dec 06 18:52:57 uhm Dec 06 18:53:22 and it's error from device or simulator ? Dec 06 18:53:31 on device, it works in Chrome Dec 06 18:54:32 only change i've made is adding a flex: 1 to a component Dec 06 18:54:33 * EricBlade sighs Dec 06 18:57:46 screw this i'm going back to bed Dec 06 19:01:47 "Your app has been rejected. Please contact Palm." wtf Dec 06 19:03:33 hehe Dec 06 19:03:37 contact palm :d Dec 06 19:14:04 EricBlade heal of Dec 06 19:14:25 and why they rejected? Dec 06 19:19:38 EricBlade: sadly, political calls are exempted from do-not-call :( Dec 06 21:08:47 hey folks! Dec 06 21:09:27 quick q.. how easy would it be to get the wireless profiles onto a pre2 w/o doctoring? (without skipping first use at boot :) Dec 06 21:11:32 wi20 Dec 06 21:11:33 er Dec 06 21:11:34 sorry. Dec 06 21:11:58 woa.. "Blackbery app world: Available in 148 markets and growing" damn.. webOS is in like 10-13? how is this possible anyways, wasn't there a PalmOS app store? Dec 06 21:15:07 DarkdowN: There is no such thing as a quick question :) Dec 06 21:17:30 Shadyman: that sounds like a riddle .. or maybe just the advice of a guru.. "Young grasshopper..." Dec 06 21:17:39 indee Dec 06 21:17:40 +d Dec 06 21:18:00 "the first rule of #webos is.." Dec 06 21:18:23 You do not TALK about #webos? Dec 06 21:18:32 oh wait Dec 06 21:18:40 that'd be #touchdroid Dec 06 21:18:49 You do not TALK about #touchdroid Dec 06 21:18:51 nice :) Dec 06 21:19:58 well, if you can novaterm into the device, you can copy the db over Dec 06 21:20:45 wrea: but that requires developer mode to be on, which i can't do w/o bypassing first use (I think?) Dec 06 21:21:05 actually,can i copy a file over during recovery mode? hrmm.. Dec 06 21:21:20 most probably, i would imagine Dec 06 21:21:36 cat filename | novaterm put file:///put/full/destination/path/filename Dec 06 21:22:03 i don't think recovery mode takes the same commands(?) Dec 06 21:23:02 lesse tho.. Dec 06 21:23:54 could always use meta-doctor to include the db too Dec 06 21:24:00 bad or error response from other side: 'err -1 unrecognized command' Dec 06 21:24:13 wrea: my question was "w/o doctoring" :) Dec 06 21:24:14 Thats what I did with my veer im using as wifi only Dec 06 21:25:27 hmm.. i guess all my apps have already been wiped (Sad face), so maybe doctoring wouldn't be the worst thing to do.. hrmm.. Dec 06 21:25:56 that should keep my USB and ubuntu partition intact too (fingers crossed, because i feel like it's a crapshoot!) Dec 06 21:27:43 but doctoring just to get a wifi profile sounds excessive.. Dec 06 21:28:11 (otoh i just picked up a g1 to play with, and it seems way more ridiculously difficult to bypass sign-on on that device!!) Dec 06 21:29:06 can i just bypass activation and run first-use after? Dec 06 21:29:24 to login to my profile and get my apps, i mean.. Dec 06 21:29:54 you'll still have to metadoctor to bypass activation Dec 06 21:30:31 no way Dec 06 21:30:51 activation has always been easily bypassed Dec 06 21:31:03 (on webOS, not android :) Dec 06 21:31:14 thats the only way i know of to do it Dec 06 21:31:39 there's a .jar that palm puts out, that works on < 2.x, and typing DEVMODE will do it on 2.x+ Dec 06 21:32:22 (#*DEVMODE* or something, don't quote me on that.) Maybe there's a difference in the way metadoctor does it, that i'm not sure of.. Dec 06 21:34:54 Yeah, I that'd work because they let you get into the dialpad Dec 06 21:35:25 once in dev mode you could novaterm in Dec 06 21:36:24 that's where my last q comes in: can i bypass and run first-use after (to have my profile restored)? I feel like the answer is no, or maybe.. "With a patch" Dec 06 21:36:33 (I think in 1.x it was with a patch, but i don't know about 2.x..) Dec 06 21:37:36 should be able to, by running the calibrate screen app Dec 06 21:38:05 but if you can novaterm in you could just put the file on and reboot Dec 06 21:40:20 reboot, and then i can use the phone over wifi, but still, my apps are missing Dec 06 21:40:52 it should still run the first use app though Dec 06 21:41:19 wrea: it wouldn't run it on startup, if that's what you're suggesting Dec 06 21:41:47 (as i've already bypassed activation) Dec 06 21:42:23 have you tried the gesture tutorial Dec 06 21:42:34 thats the one i was thinking of Dec 06 21:42:43 pretty sure that's what you need. Dec 06 21:42:45 woa, is it just me or does a unactivated pre2 boot faster than my pre3 and touchpad Dec 06 21:42:55 fxspec06: yeah i was wondering about that.. going to try now Dec 06 21:43:06 should work for you Dec 06 21:43:15 my tp boots slowly, my pre+ boots slowly, my pre2 is probably the fastest to boot Dec 06 21:43:27 but my tp luna reboots the fastest Dec 06 21:43:41 my veer is pretty damn slow Dec 06 21:43:51 prob the tp has trouble mounting the 32gb partition Dec 06 21:44:19 fxspec06: worse 64 Dec 06 21:44:36 * fxspec06 no have 64 Dec 06 21:45:20 * wrea has no 32 Dec 06 21:46:17 nope, gesture tutorial only does.. a gesture tutorial :( Dec 06 21:47:02 full reboot, run gesture tutorial Dec 06 21:47:15 it's the first thing you should do after signing into wifi Dec 06 21:47:32 fxspec06: it was Dec 06 21:48:19 fxspec06: i'll reboot again to be sure.. this has worked for you tho? Dec 06 21:48:34 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Dec 06 21:48:41 i've done it many times following those instruction Dec 06 21:48:44 s Dec 06 21:49:28 fxspec06: that page confirms what I Said "The device will not be linked to a Palm Profile." Dec 06 21:49:53 i've also done the profile activation Dec 06 21:50:00 did you install the patch from preware Dec 06 21:50:30 i forgot that step Dec 06 21:50:50 i think it's called 'enable profile activation' or something. Dec 06 21:51:23 enable profile creation Dec 06 21:51:42 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/269972-patch-enable-profile-creation-activation-bypassed-device-1-4-5-a.html Dec 06 21:52:09 an unactivated empty device should boot faster Dec 06 21:53:03 dwc-: of course, but you'd think that a 1.4 Pre3 or a dual-core TP would have it.. but i didn't time it and the second boot didn't feel as fast, so i'm not going to make a conclusive statement after all Dec 06 21:54:23 fxspec06: Oh I thought it was 1.x only, ok will pursue.. Dec 06 21:54:48 fxspec06: will that automatically bring my launcher, apps, etc back to the device, as if i'd run first use.. uh, first? :) Dec 06 21:55:42 yes Dec 06 21:55:57 ok i looked at that page, and it requires doctoring the device.. if i'm going to doctor there's no need for patches :) Dec 06 21:56:04 you've already doctored Dec 06 21:56:26 (As I can just add wifi to the doctor, if i decide to doctor, which seems unnecessary) Dec 06 21:57:23 the patch modifies the first use app to allow signing into and creating a profile. from there, you need to run the first use app. once you run the first use app, you sign into your profile. after you sign in, the phone reboots and your apps and launcher pages load. Dec 06 21:57:55 in theory, you don't need to doctor Dec 06 21:57:55 or you can not do anything that i recommend and add whatever unnecessary steps you want Dec 06 21:58:01 you just need to replace the wifi db the way the doctor does Dec 06 21:59:53 dwc-: this is totally a chicken & egg issue. Not sure if you saw my first q, but that was about how i can load the wifi profile onto a device not in dev mode (Because it can't be in dev mode and booting to first use simultaneously, from what i can see.) Dec 06 22:02:08 my guess is you can do it from recovery mode Dec 06 22:02:36 oh i see there is a doctor patch as well as a device patch, ok pursuing Dec 06 22:02:41 but, I've never looked into it Dec 06 22:03:06 dwc-: I was hoping so, but i don't know anyone that knows how either.. Dec 06 22:06:10 "this patch is not available for webOS 2.1.0" arg.. Dec 06 22:13:10 oo haven't played with webOSQI enough, that's kind of neat, it'll download patch+diff for me.. :) (since my computer is too far from wifi for my phone to connect to, that's perfect!) Dec 06 22:14:04 "an error occurred while attempting to apply all.patch" oh me oh my.. Dec 06 22:35:55 ugh, applying this patch by hand is.. annoying :) Dec 06 22:37:37 annoying... like a pest annoying? Dec 06 22:37:42 make sure to save both files Dec 06 22:37:55 then use jason's diff maker then upload to preware for everyone else to use. Dec 06 22:37:59 =D Dec 06 22:38:36 then you can be a local hero Dec 06 22:44:34 voila! Dec 06 22:45:09 fxspec06: oh i hope i did.. i'm not clear on why the patch didn't apply, i think it's just the line numbers that are off.. Dec 06 22:45:53 weird, now my pre3 acts like it's signed into my profile, but.. it still won't act like it (downloading apps/updates) Dec 06 22:49:09 ugh, using a webOS device w/o a back gesture makes life so difficult Dec 06 22:49:40 this scene on impostah is just thinking.. oh phew, the swirly still acts like a back button Dec 06 22:59:59 ok past food time.. Dec 06 23:40:20 so, anyplace besides ebay to buy a Sprint pixi these days? Dec 06 23:41:12 you could try that new place, that one with the list. crayslist, crystalslist... ugh can't think of the name Dec 06 23:41:23 you missed the deal on then new for $30 Dec 06 23:42:02 :( I know Dec 06 23:42:23 had a spare yesterday. Don't today. And the spare turns out to have a broken ringer switch. :( Dec 06 23:42:52 :( Dec 06 23:42:55 :( Dec 06 23:44:04 hmm. i guess you can't blur an input field that isn't visible.. ? Dec 06 23:45:22 that's not really a question. that's more a rhethorical statement Dec 06 23:46:05 haeffb - you can try marketplace, p|c & wor Dec 06 23:46:09 or twitter Dec 06 23:46:43 wait Dec 06 23:46:46 if you have a broken screen on one Dec 06 23:46:52 and a broken ringer switch on the other Dec 06 23:46:57 sounds like a good time to parts swap Dec 06 23:47:09 * EricBlade wakes up briefly Dec 06 23:47:48 $37.94 for NIB on ebay Dec 06 23:49:04 damn. that's so inexpensive. Dec 06 23:49:10 makes me want one Dec 06 23:49:19 TWSS? Dec 06 23:49:43 i'm not sure if that constitutes a true TWSS moment Dec 06 23:49:54 True. I find it lacking, myself Dec 06 23:50:12 maybe if i had said, 'damn. that's so huge. makes me want one' Dec 06 23:50:18 i could see it then. Dec 06 23:51:27 "That pixi is so huge..." Dec 06 23:52:18 * fxspec06 THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID Dec 06 23:52:29 * fxspec06 points finger Dec 07 00:05:02 well that's interesting. i rebooted my touchpad, and it deleted all of my own apps Dec 07 00:07:37 maybe you shouldn't pirate yourself. << sorry, i can't helpmyself Dec 07 00:07:45 i have no explanation for that. never happened to me Dec 07 00:12:03 sup everyone Dec 07 00:12:49 hi Dec 07 00:14:52 hola Dec 07 00:19:34 holla Dec 07 00:20:01 sup sup Dec 07 00:20:07 I get to activate my Pre3 soon Dec 07 00:20:10 I'm kinda excited Dec 07 00:20:33 just doing some last minute backups Dec 07 00:23:02 where'd you get it Dec 07 00:24:07 I actually bought a Euro Pre3. Then I traded it and some $$ for an AT&T Pre3 from a guy on the forums Dec 07 00:24:09 Precentral that is Dec 07 00:41:06 * LarrySteeze stumbles into the room Dec 07 00:41:21 sup Dec 07 00:44:40 what's going on Dec 07 00:48:23 bored, mostly Dec 07 00:50:06 i'm trying to fit a back button onto a screen that has no place for a back button. Dec 07 00:50:44 how do you do that? how does one fit a back button onto a screen that which has no place for a back button? Dec 07 00:51:42 I put them where the icon was Dec 07 00:52:21 i know: i'm gonna put it right smack dab in the middle. it's going to be the most ugliest, out of place back button ever. but it'll at least work til i find a new home Dec 07 00:54:25 great idea Dec 07 00:54:43 need to take a design patent out on it so no one steals your idea Dec 07 00:55:25 i could just make the entire screen a back button Dec 07 00:56:28 tab anywhere and you go back? that seems... mostly in the way Dec 07 01:02:10 put it in a black bar with a glowy line at the bottom of the app Dec 07 01:02:54 a glowy line? Dec 07 01:03:00 are you talking about ICS? Dec 07 01:03:35 got a phone? look at the bottom of it Dec 07 01:03:50 (or at the phone emulator on the TP) Dec 07 01:04:44 Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. that sounds AWESOME actually Dec 07 01:04:45 hah, oh Dec 07 01:05:01 I really wish "gesture area" was a thing on other devices Dec 07 01:05:12 or that, at the very least, the TP had it Dec 07 01:05:19 then i can code my very own back swipe Dec 07 01:05:47 if/when I move to an iphone, I imagine the whole bottom bezel is gonna confuse me Dec 07 01:05:58 grrr, stupid HP Dec 07 01:06:11 WE COULD HAVE BEEN A CONTENDER Dec 07 01:07:05 it's not completely gone yet Dec 07 01:10:54 it's about as gone as it can be Dec 07 01:11:10 right now, there is no future Dec 07 01:12:49 * haeffb still swipes on the bottom bezel of my iPhone, but not as much as a few weeks ago. Dec 07 01:13:46 hp certainly hasn't done with it what I'd have like to have seen done Dec 07 01:13:55 and as each day passes, less is likely Dec 07 01:14:02 but all hope is not lost Dec 07 01:14:16 LarrySteeze: it's pretty much completely gone, phone-wise Dec 07 01:14:41 that is quite possible Dec 07 01:15:10 I don't think the tablet area is a lost cause...yet Dec 07 01:15:14 HP said if they keep it, they're not getting into phones Dec 07 01:15:33 which is part of what made the tablet so compelling Dec 07 01:15:47 to be honest though, I hope HP doesn't keep it Dec 07 01:16:23 I'd like to see a company like huawei get it Dec 07 01:16:30 I don't see it going anywhere good if they sell it Dec 07 01:16:33 it's a company with little brand recognition Dec 07 01:16:41 and a lot to gain from something like webos Dec 07 01:17:03 are they in the international markets? I thought they were an asian company, primarily Dec 07 01:17:18 they are Dec 07 01:17:47 i was poking at the phones at Best Buy the other day, and i saw two brands that i'd never heard of .. i think one might've been a huawei Dec 07 01:17:48 Unfortunately, their hardware has about the quality of Palm's Dec 07 01:17:51 the other was a pantech Dec 07 01:17:59 both of them looked like cracker jack toys Dec 07 01:18:00 pantech is garbage. Dec 07 01:18:17 huawei is at least decent in some regard Dec 07 01:18:27 huawei is like vizio a couple years ago Dec 07 01:18:31 goodness man, this account porting is taking forever! Dec 07 01:18:41 so complicated when you need to get the account relocated =( Dec 07 01:18:47 vizio is actually coming up. I wouldn't mind seeing them get into the phone game either Dec 07 01:19:05 vizio TVs aren't bad. good value Dec 07 01:19:07 easily half of huawei's android phones have trackballs Dec 07 01:19:20 but if you're a fancy man like myself, Samsung LED all the way Dec 07 01:19:35 and one of their marketing points is "Google Applications" Dec 07 01:19:39 for some models of phone Dec 07 01:19:56 actually the more I think of it, the more I like the idea of Vizio buying webos Dec 07 01:20:58 vizio is one of the most under-appreciated brands out there right now while still putting out quality products Dec 07 01:20:59 do new manufacturers have the ability to get US carriers to consider them viable? Dec 07 01:21:25 i was interested in seeing that there are 600hz refresh rate TVs out there. So, theoretically, we could broadcast 10 completely different images simultaneously Dec 07 01:21:38 yes. Dec 07 01:21:53 10 different infomercials AT THE SAME TIME!!! Dec 07 01:21:55 look at kyocera Dec 07 01:22:04 they're "new" in the sense that not many people know them Dec 07 01:22:12 and they got their own private launch with sprint Dec 07 01:23:00 so, what someone needs to do with a TV like that, is allow it to connect to 10+ bluetooth audio devices, broadcast the audio via bluetooth, and have a bluetooth audio recevier built into the glasses that seperate the images. Dec 07 01:23:23 EricBlade: what does that mean? what would 10 completely different images simultaneously mean? Dec 07 01:23:44 you could have your entire extended family watching different things on the same tv Dec 07 01:23:55 at different frequencies? Dec 07 01:23:59 interesting Dec 07 01:24:41 i saw a demo of it with 2 different images on a 120Hz display, something that Sony is pushing with the PS3, split-screen multiplayer.. except not split-screen. each person wears a set of glasses that allows them to only see the image meant for that set Dec 07 01:24:42 * halfhalo notes this is exactly how 3d glasses work nowadays Dec 07 01:25:44 I did not know that. The glasses allow multiple images to trick the eye into thinking it's 3D? Dec 07 01:26:29 yeah basically it uses one 60hz refresh cycle to broadcast a left-eye image and the other 60hz refresh cycle to broadcast a right-eye image Dec 07 01:26:46 Essentially, 3d tv's pump out 2 images instead of one, and the glasses sync up with the tv to know when to blank one of the eyepieces Dec 07 01:27:16 interesting Dec 07 01:27:31 the newer passive 3d tv's are different Dec 07 01:27:39 and by different, I mean suckier Dec 07 01:27:56 hmm. i seem to have lost my pre- somewhere Dec 07 01:28:25 passive 3d==half the pixels per eye Dec 07 01:31:51 holy crap my touchpad just received a call and decided ringtones should be at maximum volume *ow* Dec 07 01:32:35 my gf's phone is so damn loud on the first volume setting Dec 07 01:33:01 I can honestly say I have no idea what my ringtone is Dec 07 01:33:05 its never not on silent Dec 07 01:33:08 lada gaga? Dec 07 01:34:49 justin Dec 07 01:34:53 beebs Dec 07 01:36:23 arn't they the same? Dec 07 01:36:32 chicks? sure. I guess so. Dec 07 01:37:31 i just set it for "Five Minutes Alone" .. but it's so loud it distorts. :( Dec 07 01:38:13 now heres the real question... do I know what phone has what sim card in it... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 07 02:59:57 2011