**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 08 02:59:57 2011 Dec 08 03:02:51 hey there guys. i'm trying to learn Enyo and I noticed a few methods don't seem to be documented Dec 08 03:03:00 like the 'rendered' method Dec 08 03:03:06 is there anywhere it is documented? Dec 08 03:12:46 oh. the API reference. doh. didnt see it Dec 08 03:13:44 those are application events Dec 08 03:14:01 thery're all there it just takes a minute to get used to them. Dec 08 04:07:59 anyone think sprint will be mad if i download 3gb+ at once? Dec 08 04:11:09 tethered? Dec 08 05:08:35 will running a full secure erase in WebOS affect the Android OS at all? Dec 08 05:10:30 it will wipe everything in /boot Dec 08 05:18:21 does that include android? Dec 08 05:25:11 you would need to ask that question in one of the android on touchpad channels. this channel is about webOS. a full secure erase does not delete webOS. Dec 08 05:25:48 and actually, it won't wipe /boot either, I misspoke. Dec 08 05:26:14 a doctor will wipe /boot, but not a secure full erase Dec 08 05:27:06 so you only have to reinstall mboot with webos updates not full erase? Dec 08 05:29:26 you would need to ask that question in a moboot channel, this channel is about webOS Dec 08 05:46:51 * DougReeder waves hello Dec 08 05:56:55 hi again guys Dec 08 05:57:02 i'm a little confused about the meaning of this.$ Dec 08 05:57:18 this normally refers to whatever kind i'm currently in, right? Dec 08 05:57:52 and if I inspect this.$ I can see the names of components and such that exist in my, in this case, main app kind Dec 08 05:59:50 but then, if I'm inside a onSetupRow handler for a Scroller and trying to create an Item for the list, this.$ also lists components of the current Item Dec 08 06:01:38 what i'm trying to do is to hide and show the Item object based on a certain criteria (i'm working through the Enyo tutorial for the RSS reader and I thought I'd add a simple regex-based search to filter articles by title), but this.$ doesn't seem to list methods for the current Item inside the onSetupRow handler, yet I can see the item's components. what gives? Dec 08 06:14:30 I'm so late to the game hahah. but whatever. I like webOS :D Dec 08 06:34:48 is there a fix for the CM7 loads and restarts loads and restarts Dec 08 06:35:41 choppinski: for the third time, this channel is about webOS, not android Dec 08 06:36:11 my bad Dec 08 06:36:36 I got a fix. install the "remove android" app Dec 08 06:36:45 ^^ what he said Dec 08 06:38:01 ditto Dec 08 06:38:16 what's a CM7? Dec 08 06:38:46 * Shadyman googles. Dec 08 06:38:51 Oh. What they said. Dec 08 06:40:45 This channel's specifically about the WebOS... OS. not the Touchpad in general Dec 08 06:41:40 I should release an app in Preware called "CM7" Dec 08 06:42:34 Yeah, and it should play a loud nails on chalkboard sound in a loop Dec 08 06:43:12 bwahaha Dec 08 06:43:45 no, make it put up a screenshot of iOS Dec 08 06:44:35 lol Dec 08 06:44:39 "The CM7 app installs a replacement OS on your device" Dec 08 06:45:10 Hmm - could even go in the app catalog ... Dec 08 06:45:53 so, any pointers for this.$? Dec 08 06:45:57 it's rather hard to google for as you can image Dec 08 06:45:59 imagine* Dec 08 06:46:21 StayInSkool: have you read through the sample applications in the SDK ? Dec 08 06:47:58 not for Items specifically no. good point Dec 08 06:59:23 I want Mahjongg! Dec 08 06:59:39 the real one, or the fake tile matching game Dec 08 06:59:49 the one astraware is about to releasxe Dec 08 07:20:19 examples seemed to be no help Dec 08 07:20:28 but turns out this.$.item contains a reference to the current item Dec 08 07:20:31 wtf.. Dec 08 07:31:25 woot i called t-mobile customer service today to discuss my data transmission speed issues. couldn't find an operator who could understand me. Dec 08 07:31:30 not due to problems with accent or language Dec 08 07:34:22 but due to.. ? Dec 08 07:34:37 extremely poor cell service Dec 08 07:35:03 i was longing for the sound quality of an old brick-style analog from 1995. Dec 08 07:35:09 they couldnt understand that your internet speeds were poor? Dec 08 07:35:35 sure, they "couldnt understand" :P Dec 08 07:35:40 no every time it'd be like "i'm sorry, i can't understand you sir, please call back from a different line" Dec 08 07:36:20 "Hello" "hello sir, how may I help you" "hello, my speed sucks" "WHAT I CANT HEAR YOU" Dec 08 07:36:37 "…so I'd like to get a more expensive data plan" "Oh straight away sir!" Dec 08 07:37:01 YAY SPLASHTOP UPGRADE Dec 08 07:38:30 I wonder if there's a sane way to add an image to a button Dec 08 07:38:43 seems like Buttons only have a "content" attribute, which is just plain text Dec 08 07:39:49 add an image to a button, or make the image a button Dec 08 07:40:05 oh. a button can have components? Dec 08 07:40:14 anything can have components Dec 08 07:40:21 oh sweet! didnt know Dec 08 07:40:25 thanks Dec 08 07:40:50 hmm. have there always been facebook/twitter links on the app catalog web pages? Dec 08 07:41:11 not sure. i dont use it often Dec 08 07:41:21 .. mostly because there aren't many new things to buy :/ Dec 08 07:41:43 probably not *always* but it does look familiar Dec 08 07:42:00 but I don't hit the webpages often, and my browser window isn't wide enough for it to show on the right by default Dec 08 07:44:14 hello Dec 08 08:17:54 yeah well the app catalog web pages are pretty much otherwise useless anyway Dec 08 08:22:29 no nodejs module for dbus, at least for the version available on webos Dec 08 08:23:19 have i missed anything the last 8 hours i spent at work? last thing i was up to date on was the ebay refurb sale Dec 08 08:23:47 i think thats about it Dec 08 08:24:04 and now i've caught the Splashtop update Dec 08 09:10:09 aaaarg, the pre2 magically stopped being nice to me again. Dec 08 10:48:52 * EricBlade1 randomly discovers that there is a Star Trek novel entitled "The 34th Rule"... *shudder* Dec 08 12:14:35 but....but what about rules 1 - 33? Dec 08 18:31:44 let's get this party started! Dec 08 18:31:47 entertain me! Dec 08 18:32:37 *tap tap tap* Dec 08 18:33:33 no. Dec 08 18:33:39 awwww Dec 08 19:00:52 i thought sugardave was supposed to entertain us. isn't that how it works here? Dec 08 19:02:49 the tables are turned now, bitches! Dec 08 19:03:08 ohh.. ok, bitch. :| Dec 08 19:03:28 * hotdp thinks there is something fishy about sugardave'smood... Dec 08 19:03:55 * EricBlade downloads "Top Adult Jokes" on his Pre2 and finds some to entertain sugardave Dec 08 19:04:03 come, join me on a magical emotional rollercoaster ride Dec 08 19:04:24 * halfhalo bets its the drugs Dec 08 19:05:04 I'm coming up on "quit smoking again" time Dec 08 19:05:10 maybe that's it...pre-stress Dec 08 19:05:23 haha Dec 08 19:05:41 so 31 dec will be your last smoke? Dec 08 19:06:27 yeah, that is the plan Dec 08 19:06:52 it's the easy way to save a lot of money Dec 08 19:51:50 switch to weed? :P Dec 08 19:52:32 switch? Dec 08 19:52:54 ok, do more of, then Dec 08 19:53:28 from cigarettes Dec 08 21:05:40 howdy. Is it worth bothing with the PDK functions to check if an app was bought properly? Dec 08 21:06:34 depends whether you want your users to be enraged when they can't run your app without the network connected. Dec 08 21:06:48 ah Dec 08 21:07:06 but - has this been clracked also? Dec 08 21:07:09 cracked Dec 08 21:51:53 anything can be "cracked" Dec 08 21:52:20 except a true one time pad Dec 08 21:52:52 a properly implemented and used one, where the humans are somehow prevented from making mistakes in using it Dec 08 21:52:58 indeed Dec 08 21:54:35 lol humans prevented from making mistakes Dec 08 21:54:43 like that's going to happen :x Dec 08 21:54:44 exactly Dec 08 21:54:59 so what is better a re-furb Touchpad or a ICS Tablet with rear and front 1080p cameras as well as HDMI for $99? Dec 08 21:55:00 even those can be brute-forced, right? Dec 08 21:55:44 summatusmentis: well, you can "brute-force" it, but that just means you came up with a keystream that made some sense ... but properly done, you don't really know if that was the original message or not Dec 08 21:56:00 dwc-: that's a good point Dec 08 21:56:05 it's not verifiable Dec 08 21:56:58 does anyone know if Smart Office will ever be ported to 1.4.5x? Dec 08 21:57:00 yep, the lack of keystream reuse gives you that Dec 08 21:58:00 Someone should just work on porting WebOS to MIPs devices: http://bit.ly/vHbBxD Dec 08 21:58:47 Couldnt happen without the source Dec 08 21:58:49 all the publicly available source stuff probably compiles fine on MIPS Dec 08 21:59:08 no one has the rights to to "port" webOS except HP Dec 08 21:59:18 but the closed-source stuff wouldn't be usable or portable Dec 08 21:59:28 (except by HP/Palm) Dec 08 22:01:17 dwc-: I think its high time we nix the Palm half, I wonder if running it as an emulator or hypervisor in Android would violate any TOS? Dec 08 22:01:57 dwc-: Palm derives as lively a annotation as Commodore Dec 08 22:02:18 there aren't really hypervisors for android are there? at best you'd get an emulator, and I expect it'd be slow Dec 08 22:02:21 I'm no lawyer, but I believe you are licensed to run webos on the device you purchased Dec 08 22:02:41 dwc-: then what explains the SDK with full emulation? Dec 08 22:02:46 but until there's an emu, it's a moot point Dec 08 22:03:00 then you are bound by the terms of the SDK? Dec 08 22:03:03 dwc-: there is an emulator, for Windows PC Dec 08 22:03:24 have you read it? Dec 08 22:03:38 dwc-: nope.. I guess its moot to further discuss it Dec 08 22:04:22 dwc-: why isn't Smart Office available on the 1.4.5x App Store? I thought with Maps all devices can run Enyo now? Dec 08 22:05:18 Ziomatrix: technically, yes. They're not allowing enyo apps on all devices from the app store Dec 08 22:05:44 beats me, ask the smartoffice people or app catalog folks Dec 08 22:06:19 summatusmentis: I don't get that, so I can run it on a discontinued Pre 3 but all Pre Plus users are left in the dark unless they violate the TOS and run the WebOS 2.0x Doctor? Dec 08 22:06:49 summatusmentis: I thought the whole porting Enyo was supposed to alleviate all of this, where is my Skype app :( Dec 08 22:07:12 Ziomatrix: talk to HP, not my deal Dec 08 22:07:35 the app catalog hasn't enabled enyo apps to be accepted for devices running lower than 2.2.3 Dec 08 22:07:51 despite the new maps app sneaking enyo onto all devices Dec 08 22:08:13 summatusmentis: why doesn't HP then jump on this? So much for continued commitment. Dec 08 22:08:28 dude, they shut down all of their webOS hardware, and they might be selling off webOS Dec 08 22:08:37 it was "so much for continued commitment" weeks ago Dec 08 22:08:42 summatusmentis: I doubt talking to some HP customer service rep is going to get me any answers Dec 08 22:08:54 that's because there aren't any answers Dec 08 22:09:03 I also doubt complain here will get you any answers either Dec 08 22:09:07 summatusmentis: but then why update Maps and port Enyo to 1.4.5x? Dec 08 22:09:08 complaining* Dec 08 22:09:45 summatusmentis: they always go through motions and end half way. Just like with the hardware they have done it with software. :( Dec 08 22:09:46 Ziomatrix: because they wanted to provide the opportunity to the homebrew community? because there was no reason not to? because Matt McNulty is a nice guy? Dec 08 22:09:49 who knows Dec 08 22:10:05 but none of use know the answers either, the fact of the matter is, that's the way things are Dec 08 22:10:23 summatusmentis: so how can I contact Picsel so I can directly buy and download Smart Office? Dec 08 22:10:31 no clue Dec 08 22:10:36 find their website? Dec 08 22:10:41 summatusmentis: what has happened in homebrew for 1.4.5 devices since this...? Dec 08 22:11:02 Ziomatrix: I'm running enyo tweaks on my pre2 Dec 08 22:11:11 enyo Tweaks* rather Dec 08 22:11:51 summatusmentis: yea but isn't that a different ball game then a stock Pre Plus user such as myself? Dec 08 22:12:31 do you have enyo? in theory, you can run enyo Tweaks too Dec 08 22:12:42 or did enyo not go to 1.4.5? Dec 08 22:15:03 summatusmentis: ok just sent Picsel the question. Dec 08 22:15:25 summatusmentis: I was under the impression the Enyo framework did with the Bing Maps update. Dec 08 22:15:42 Ziomatrix: so if you got the bing maps update, then yes, you should have enyo Dec 08 22:15:51 I'm pretty sure that Smart Office isn't Enyo, although I haven't seen it, so I could be wrong. Just installing webOS 2 onto a Pre+ doesn't necessarily mean you get access to the 2.x catalog. Dec 08 22:15:54 you can use any enyo app, officially Dec 08 22:16:01 or rather, technically Dec 08 22:16:02 summatusmentis: but HP still bars Enyo apps from the App Store for me :( Dec 08 22:16:05 summatusmentis: there are plenty of Enyo apps available for devices running 1.4.5+ Dec 08 22:16:18 Ziomatrix: it bars enyo apps in the App Store for me too Dec 08 22:16:34 EricBlade: can you name some so I can check on the App Store? Dec 08 22:16:39 the App Store bars enyo apps for everyone running < 2.2.3 Dec 08 22:16:53 bullshit Dec 08 22:17:01 summatusmentis: HP really needs to fix this if they want to ensure a healthy userbase for a possible sale Dec 08 22:17:10 EricBlade: wait, really? Dec 08 22:17:31 GVoice, Paper Mache, DataJog, ReadOnTouch . . . Dec 08 22:17:43 really, I thought they weren't allowing it Dec 08 22:18:11 hi guys Dec 08 22:18:14 the thing that sucks, is that 2.2.3 also has all the same problems with Enyo as does 1.4.5 and 2.0 Dec 08 22:18:16 EricBlade: but if you made previous Mojo versions, won't the App Store just show those? Dec 08 22:18:39 oh hey webos awards! Dec 08 22:18:41 the mojo version would have a different app id Dec 08 22:19:27 EricBlade: I ought to have known that patch for showing app versions on the app store would come in handy Dec 08 22:20:28 hmm. my pre- is powered off Dec 08 22:21:06 EricBlade: you along with Picsel and other Enyo app devs should pressure HP to open the Enyo Catalog for all Dec 08 22:21:27 EricBlade: you got a serious chunk of potential revenue missing with this mess Dec 08 22:21:36 i think that Smart Office is entirely native code Dec 08 22:22:03 me too Dec 08 22:22:15 EricBlade: yes, but then why is it for an up to date Pre 2, Pre 3 and Touchpad but not Pre Plus or minus? Dec 08 22:22:45 EricBlade: It maybe partially native but the decision to port does rest on which devices can download official Enyo apps Dec 08 22:23:14 EricBlade: also what major difference does a Pre 2 make to the Pre Plus and minus? Dec 08 22:23:19 well if it uses hybrid, so it's part web and part native, then hybrids aren't allowed to 2.0 and 1.4.5 Dec 08 22:25:31 btw does anyone know if the refurb Touchpad sale will be easily accessible on the HP Ebay site or is there a specific link involved? Dec 08 22:26:18 hmm.. most of the apps that have come up in the 1.4.5 catalog recently are paid Dec 08 22:27:18 but i know that GVoice Pre, Paper Mache, DataJog are Enyo.. pretty sure ReadOnTouch or ReadItLater are available there somewhere.. I think Fffound! is Enyo Dec 08 22:28:16 EricBlade: so then you're telling me Picsel themselves probably made the call to not port Smart Office for v1.4.5x devices :( Dec 08 22:29:07 Ziomatrix: that you'll have to get an answer from them on. if it's a hybrid app, hybrids are not officially supported on 1.4.5 due to problems that were fixed in 2.1 Dec 08 22:30:34 EricBlade: I guess I'll think harder about doing that WebOS 2.1v Doctor. I heard it causes sink problems for older devices though Dec 08 22:31:03 Ziomatrix: enyo has performance problems on my pre 2. it also has many many things missing. Dec 08 22:31:32 jus sayin, idrk wut u two are talking about. i just walked in and getting settled Dec 08 22:31:56 fxspec06: bah humbug, I guess the only way to enjoy the full WebOS experience now is to get a newer device. Shame on HP once more. :( Dec 08 22:32:29 fxspec06: Ziomatrix said that Smart Office should be able to run on 1.4.5, i said that i thought it was purely native, he said that it's a hybrid, i said well that explains it. short story. Dec 08 22:33:27 my Pre+ was not able to backup after I installed 2.1.0 on it, other than that it worked. But, the catalog wouldn't recognize it as a 2.1, so that wouldn't help so much Dec 08 22:33:52 is there any market for side loaded apps forming? Dec 08 22:34:40 what do you mean market? what do you mean side loaded? Dec 08 22:35:43 summatusmentis: I mean buying the apps and downloading them directly from a non app store source. Like was done in the PalmOS days Dec 08 22:36:24 preware provides a mechanism for doing so, although I don't know how purchasing the app works in preware (or if it does) Dec 08 22:37:13 hp does provide a method for that, but i can't think of anything that i've heard of using it Dec 08 22:37:14 summatusmentis: probably not since HP closed the app store portal Dec 08 22:37:36 they did what? Dec 08 22:38:03 EricBlade: how they closed the ftp of the official app catalog to thrid party software, specifically preware Dec 08 22:38:21 Ziomatrix: it doesn't mean preware isn't a place that developers could put their apps to install it Dec 08 22:39:36 maps got updated because google was pulling the APIs the app was using Dec 08 22:41:31 Ziomatrix: also, the terms for using the SDK or selling on the app cat specify an exclusivity arrangement for payments and app selling Dec 08 22:41:45 I didn't know google pulled the APIs Dec 08 22:42:08 bing maps probably only had enyo in it because it was cheaper than writing a new mojo bing maps, is my speculation Dec 08 22:43:49 (side note: I should install the new maps app so I have a working maps) Dec 08 22:44:51 dwc-: I assume that's true Dec 08 22:45:14 dwc-: it doesn't have as many location on it as Google, but its speed and accuracy more then make up for it Dec 08 22:45:37 depends on what you use it for Dec 08 22:46:08 bmaps is missing the one feature I used most out of gmaps Dec 08 23:13:50 Ziomatrix: HP app catalog EULA prohibits side-loaded sales. Dec 08 23:14:23 summatusmentis: Preware launches the HP App Catalog client to allow you to purchase apps Dec 08 23:17:04 rwhitby: or used to, didn't HP shut down those feeds? Dec 08 23:17:31 HP did shut down the feeds. App Tuckerbox reinstates them without HP's involvement. Dec 08 23:17:59 http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/08/hp-to-launch-another-touchpad-fire-sale-this-weekend-because-it/ Dec 08 23:18:15 yes yes, but some of us *cough* don't qualify for the beta Dec 08 23:20:29 sure, but that doesn't change what Preware does in that situation Dec 08 23:21:12 hah, touche Dec 08 23:33:41 who links to engadget anymore. Dec 08 23:34:04 that was so pre-verge Dec 09 00:32:59 https://twitter.com/#!/SirKneeland/status/144893541313814528/photo/1 Dec 09 00:39:08 someone please point out what's wrong w/ that bus card Dec 09 00:39:28 "Last Man Standing" - not wrong, just cute. Dec 09 00:41:01 lol ok i see. Dec 09 00:45:17 * dwc- laughs Dec 09 00:51:15 if Kneeland thinks he can outlast me, he's got another think coming Dec 09 00:51:31 I'm like a barnacle Dec 09 00:54:51 sugardave: just remember to turn out the lights :) Dec 09 00:56:44 akanster: next-to-last can do it since I'm remote ;) Dec 09 00:57:10 heh Dec 09 00:57:38 this is an amusing conversation Dec 09 00:59:17 sugardave: heh, you reminded me of this vid - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HBSqHVqu4uY Dec 09 01:42:40 sugardave: if you can't turn out the lights by remote .. well.. i guess you'll need to visit Preware, because I think there's some programs there that can hel Dec 09 01:42:42 *p Dec 09 01:43:09 hey oh! Dec 09 01:43:51 so what's the deal with phones, am i not allowed to change the SIM without having profile issues? Dec 09 01:45:45 I have been having trouble downloading (even free) apps, so i went to log the pre3 out (with impostah), logged it onto a VzPre2 which worked fine, and when i went to impostah login to the pre3, it complained about invalid IMEI/MEID. Whaaaaa.. I borrowed a friend's SIM to activate, and i'm not clear what i should do now.. rerun first use w/o SIM? device info->erase apps? Dec 09 01:50:48 hmm not too sure there. no experience switching phones like that Dec 09 01:54:42 hrm Dec 09 01:54:48 0.10 sale in the droid market Dec 09 01:59:42 webos meeting for tomorrow mroning Dec 09 01:59:56 1030am specific time Dec 09 02:02:37 5:00am my time :) Dec 09 02:03:09 at least I'll have some interesting news to wake up to on my Saturday morning. Dec 09 02:03:45 i think i'd rather wake up to it than go through it again Dec 09 02:03:56 i have a feeling it will go something like this Dec 09 02:04:00 "we haven't really made a decision yet. this meeting is just to inform you of our status that we still haven't made a decision yet, and we're currently in the process of deciding whether or not we really do want to make a decision or not. this decision was a hard one to make, but one that i truly believe to be in hp's best interest. remember, we're in this for the long run. we wouldn't want to Dec 09 02:04:00 decide too soon. we want to think this one through." - meg whitman, CEO, hewlett packard Dec 09 02:05:06 1030? that's either a "we're giving you enough time to get all your stuff out of your offices and cubes" or a "we're going straight to a press announcement" Dec 09 02:09:03 well, they actually have to do the press announcement first Dec 09 02:09:14 (if it's information of any relevance to the market) Dec 09 02:10:35 "you've got till 5pm to get all of the TouchPad Go's that you can find, and get the hell out of this building." Dec 09 02:12:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_FD is still in effect. HP cannot announce anything market-affecting in an all hands meeting. Dec 09 02:13:05 They can, however, explain to the staff about a press release they have just made. Dec 09 02:14:59 they can do the press release at 10:29 and have the meeting at 10:30 Dec 09 02:15:07 yep Dec 09 02:15:34 so people waiting for actual information should be watching the press release, not the meeting Dec 09 02:15:40 they were never going to make a major decision w/o a press release anyway Dec 09 02:15:45 hmmm. interesting Dec 09 02:15:57 they'll probably start leaking stuff around 10a Dec 09 02:15:57 rwatkins: they're not allowed to Dec 09 02:16:07 or 1020 - 1025 Dec 09 02:16:13 rwhitby: depends on what you mean by "major" Dec 09 02:16:20 companies make decisions all the time Dec 09 02:16:35 They could do it on paper, have their meeting, and then do whatever it is that they do when they are trying to get -everyone-'s attention Dec 09 02:16:37 many of which they do not disclose immediately Dec 09 02:17:14 EricBlade: assuming the future of webOS decision is something that could affect the market price of HP, they cannot tell staff before the market. Dec 09 02:17:27 Apple building AppleTV? Sure I bet a number of people at Apple are aware of it. Dec 09 02:17:38 the public? no. Dec 09 02:17:40 rwatkins: sure, but not via an all-hands meeting Dec 09 02:18:33 Right, Im just saying, put out the piece of paper that explains it on the press wire first, have your little meeting, and then do some major PR on top of it. That's the only thing I can think of for that to be a positive thing Dec 09 02:18:41 otherwise, it's going to be negative or middling Dec 09 02:18:47 the goal of the meeting is to make everyone comfortable with the decision and answer questions. Dec 09 02:19:08 exactly Dec 09 02:19:08 I'm sure there will be more actual info from the meeting. Dec 09 02:19:20 "what does this mean to me" stuff Dec 09 02:19:43 on the other hand, the press release is fact, and the meeting will be sugar coated Dec 09 02:19:58 * EricBlade looks to see if Dave is still here Dec 09 02:20:09 but yes, it will contain additional background that may not be in the press release Dec 09 02:20:14 press releases are filled with crap. Dec 09 02:20:40 so are toilets. Dec 09 02:20:44 crap was what we waded through, those of us that were listening, to the last investor call Dec 09 02:20:52 that was zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Dec 09 02:21:06 investor calls and press releases are two different things Dec 09 02:21:56 if they can pack more buzzwords into a PR than they did in that call, i'll see nothing but a blank image on screen when my corporate bs filter gets ahold of it Dec 09 02:22:13 I wonder how many other folks in devrel have already got jobs elsewhere. Dec 09 02:22:55 wonder if this will be outdated, or well timed : http://twitter.com/#!/SirKneeland/status/144893541313814528/photo/1 Dec 09 02:23:36 i've listened to a few of those Dec 09 02:23:45 that's a few more than i've ever listened to Dec 09 02:24:56 hmm. we need a Risk game Dec 09 02:25:28 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ea.app.risk Dec 09 02:25:50 Kneeland must have another job lined up already if he's tweeting publicly that you've wasted corporate funds on something like that business card ... Dec 09 02:26:11 didn't he do a few other cards recently too? Dec 09 02:26:59 hmm. we need a multiplayer Risk game Dec 09 02:39:22 Stuff always happens while I'm asleep **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 09 02:59:58 2011