**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 16 02:59:56 2011 Dec 16 04:04:49 http://kneeland.me/2011/12/15/moving-on-to-the-next-billion/ Dec 16 04:05:22 :( Dec 16 04:06:06 damn Dec 16 04:08:02 sonofabitch Dec 16 04:08:12 wonder if he's going to the webos meetup tomorrow... Dec 16 04:09:09 i'm guessing Chuq's gonna show up there too Dec 16 04:09:19 so much for his business cards Dec 16 04:09:22 he's not Dec 16 04:09:29 akanster: he confirmed he's not going into mobile Dec 16 04:09:36 oh Dec 16 04:10:12 although it was his second choice for a place to go Dec 16 04:10:15 facebook it could be Dec 16 04:10:44 he's going to build up the community and it's not mobile. Dec 16 04:11:59 facebook's already got a pretty robust dev community Dec 16 04:12:07 =( Dec 16 04:14:19 not quite a "community" though Dec 16 04:14:32 at least that's the sense I got. Dec 16 04:14:40 night Dec 16 04:14:48 night Tibfib_ Dec 16 04:15:33 chuq is starting with a firm that you've likely never heard of before. I hadn't. Dec 16 04:16:12 at least we still have Adora :) Dec 16 04:16:22 ... for now? Dec 16 04:16:36 dont jinx us :) Dec 16 04:16:42 lol Dec 16 04:16:53 there's nothing to jinx Dec 16 04:17:08 I dont begrudge them for moving on Dec 16 04:17:46 more community, but somebody's gotta abandon ship before "last man standing" Dec 16 07:51:09 Good Morning Dec 16 08:37:44 hello Dec 16 08:56:16 bnceo: you around? Dec 16 08:56:42 I see an app update... you/your gf should check that app you were complaining about Dec 16 11:00:26 hey oh Dec 16 11:00:34 anyone awake? Dec 16 11:11:49 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Dec 16 11:23:08 ajay_ yes Dec 16 11:23:09 :) Dec 16 11:27:17 my preware is stuck, after downloading an app it doesn't do anything.. Dec 16 11:28:37 i rebooted, and it's still the same.. I mean, it stalls after the 'download' stage, never proceeding forward.. Dec 16 11:31:08 ohh.. minutes later, it finally returned. phew Dec 16 11:31:19 now for some tucker Dec 16 11:33:55 ajay_ woking ? for me is working on my both Pre 2 and Veer Dec 16 11:34:01 *working Dec 16 11:36:17 yeah, now to figure out how to get apptuckerbox to work, nothing new showing up.. hmm.. Dec 16 11:40:44 and damn, the appcat only sometimes thinks that i'm logged into my profile.. arg Dec 16 11:41:58 oh damn i can't even purchase an app on my touchpad. this is getting severe Dec 16 11:47:31 ok got the tucker, now to figure out why my webOS acct is bein crazy! Dec 16 11:58:59 ajay_: ya broked it Dec 16 12:00:59 i'm still a few purchases away from being able to tucker :( Dec 16 12:06:05 is there any group/ articles covering Meego, WebOS compatibility ? Dec 16 12:09:24 any idea ? Dec 16 12:14:59 compatibility between the two? Dec 16 12:15:39 while it seems unlikely, i do recall hearing of someone saying that they were actually able to move a binary app directly from meego to webos, and it worked. i doubt that. Dec 16 12:16:11 that's ok i think, just the GUI is the issue Dec 16 12:17:41 not sure if it's possible to port X applications to webOS Dec 16 12:18:18 no need to port. just run them on the X server. Dec 16 12:18:58 EricBlade1: no reason why a Meego X11 app wouldn't run unmodified on a webOS device with an X server running. Dec 16 12:19:52 i think running X would make an issue with touch screen Dec 16 12:20:10 Night-hacks: have you run Xecutah yet? Dec 16 12:20:37 or read up about it? Dec 16 12:20:43 in fact I'm not using webOS, but im going to switch to Dec 16 12:21:01 We routinely run X apps on webOS. Dec 16 12:21:18 that's nice Dec 16 12:21:29 both inside and outside chroots (e.g. Ubuntu, Debian, I think someone has Arch running and Funtoo as well) Dec 16 12:22:12 EricBlade1: i didn't break it! *sniff* Dec 16 12:22:15 Night-hacks: 1600+ linux apps that run on webOS: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/ Dec 16 12:22:50 let alone the thousands of ubuntu/arm apps you can run Dec 16 12:23:16 EricBlade1: I've taken meegto binaries to webOS, no problem. Dec 16 12:23:21 s/meegto/meego/ Dec 16 12:23:34 s/no problem/variable problems/ :) Dec 16 12:23:48 they're just armv7 binaries compiled against a recent libc Dec 16 12:24:22 the problem is taking meego apps compiled against the X server AND that.. i forget what it's called right now (some library) Dec 16 12:25:11 I only took some SDL apps, as those were the easiest.. i should retry with some X apps.. (I wanted to get skype, firefox, opera, etc before.. a meego chroot would be _amazing_!) Dec 16 12:25:23 uh oh you know what time it is Dec 16 12:25:32 oh only for my Time zone, okay, forget it :) Dec 16 12:29:35 wow, deleting a contact on the TP contact app is surprisingly.. (either unintuitive or impossible, will know soon :) Dec 16 12:46:17 darn cellebrite export doesn't seem to work on TP.. looks like it wants to work tho! :) Dec 16 12:49:18 ok.. so.. if i want to dynamically create stuff in an enyo app, i probably need to call createComponent inside the kind that wants to be the new content's parent, right? is there anything else that i need to do normally to get it the new content to display? Dec 16 12:54:14 export contacts app doesn't work.. send all via email patch doesn't look touchpad-compatible.. a conspiracy i tell you, a straight conspiracy! Dec 16 13:00:12 any awake that can help me? Dec 16 13:05:01 doubtful Dec 16 13:06:29 haha Dec 16 13:07:17 well I was trying to get WOQI working on Linux (not Ubuntu) but I decided to use OS X Dec 16 13:16:07 it should work anywhere, iirc Dec 16 13:16:25 anybody metadoctor their pre2 to 2.2.4 yet? Dec 16 13:16:52 ok here's a question: is there a tweak that allows the TP to charge via USB? Dec 16 13:18:17 Shiggs|i5: I heard it'll charge, it just does so slowly, and doesn't say it is.. Dec 16 13:18:34 ah Dec 16 13:19:24 another question: Where's the 1.5 GHz oc profile in Govnah? I have uberkernel installed Dec 16 13:19:39 hm, just checked with drBattery (as my TP is conveniently connected to USB as you say that!) and it shows current 300 mA, so it's charging.. Dec 16 13:20:46 Shiggs|i5: I had trouble with that too (and I have a 1.5 GHz TP!). I did some uninstalls/reinstalls of govnah and reboots of device (not sure if the reboots were needed or not), and got them to show up Dec 16 13:20:49 ajay_ I have webosdoctored my pre 2 Dec 16 13:20:52 to 2.2.4 Dec 16 13:21:39 ajay_: ok Dec 16 13:38:13 panel: hows it? Dec 16 13:40:42 ajay_: I found the profile. It was there all along, just it wasn't named anything I was expecting Dec 16 13:40:58 and it's ondemand, so that's also something I didn't expect Dec 16 13:43:16 Shiggs|i5: hrmm.. ok! :) Dec 16 13:43:24 with that i guess i shall part Dec 16 13:57:20 k so wtf. I properly unmount my TP from USB mode from my Linux tower and it complains when I unplug the USB cable to get back in to the UI Dec 16 13:58:07 it's all 'Ouch! Unmount me from the desktop next time!' with the upside down USB symbol sad face Dec 16 14:10:03 what's "properly unmount"? Dec 16 14:11:14 yeah Dec 16 14:11:17 I know Dec 16 14:11:26 I told KDE to unmount it and it's all NOOOO~ Dec 16 14:11:34 I mean KDE does unmount it properly Dec 16 14:11:38 but webOS doesn't like that Dec 16 14:15:06 orly Dec 16 14:25:24 Shiggs|MB: *shrug* with usb stuff in general, I use umount and eject in linux (not used with touchpad, though) Dec 16 14:26:59 hm Dec 16 14:27:00 k Dec 16 14:27:37 Shiggs|MB: want a pixi? Dec 16 14:32:57 Tommy: hell no. lmao why? Dec 16 14:33:06 I have my Evo3D now Dec 16 14:33:17 as of launch back in June Dec 16 14:33:28 though I did just yesterday get an HP TouchPad Dec 16 14:33:31 it rocks my sox Dec 16 14:33:53 after I get my MBP in March or so my mobile arsenal'll be complete Dec 16 14:34:21 Shiggs|i5: hahah, do you want a backup phone? Dec 16 14:34:48 i bought a sprint palm pixi thinking oh hey, i'll just use it on wifi even though i don't have sprint, just to have a little webOS phone to mess with Dec 16 14:34:55 ....guess what phone doesn't have wifi? the sprint palm pixi. Dec 16 14:35:04 hmm Dec 16 14:35:16 so it's brand new in the box right here, i was told about it before it came so i haven't opened it Dec 16 14:35:28 Hmm interesting Dec 16 14:35:45 What's in it for you? :P Dec 16 14:35:50 lol, $40 shipped? Dec 16 14:36:05 lemme see what' Dec 16 14:36:06 s Dec 16 14:36:10 in my paypal Dec 16 14:36:19 i get my galaxy nexus on monday, it's in the mail, i have a nexus S in my pocket and an android dev phone back at my apartment Dec 16 14:36:33 so needless to say, i don't need a phone that has no form of data available to me -_- Dec 16 14:36:37 ....you actually signed a contract with Verizon? Dec 16 14:36:41 hell no. Dec 16 14:36:45 i'm on t-mobile Dec 16 14:36:49 haha ok Dec 16 14:36:52 GSM import Dec 16 14:36:56 yeah, $685 Dec 16 14:37:00 sheeeesh Dec 16 14:37:02 heh Dec 16 14:37:04 i know right :| Dec 16 14:37:11 but my nexus S has a broken loudspeaker, as of like, 3 months ago Dec 16 14:37:13 as much as I like ICS, I'll wait for custom ROMs Dec 16 14:37:16 but i was like that's fine, i'll leave it on vibate Dec 16 14:37:20 now? THE VIBRATOR IS BROKEN Dec 16 14:37:24 EWW Dec 16 14:37:25 so i have no clue when i'm getting calls Dec 16 14:37:28 the GNex is nice Dec 16 14:37:34 you'll like Dec 16 14:37:43 haha i'm sure, the only thing i don't like is the size Dec 16 14:37:47 yeah Dec 16 14:37:51 IMO 4" is perfect, 4.65" is going to be obnoxious Dec 16 14:37:54 sweet 720p display though Dec 16 14:37:57 yeah Dec 16 14:37:59 true that Dec 16 14:38:28 i was going to wait for something that 1) had an sd card slot since i also have a brand new 32GB class 4 sandisk, 2) had a quad core chipset, and 3) wasn't a samsung Dec 16 14:38:42 but again, with the sexus S dying by the day, no longer an option Dec 16 14:38:57 I do remember that I owe you the ISOs for Angel Beats... don't worry. at latest during Otakon I'll make the rips Dec 16 14:39:10 o.O what Dec 16 14:39:13 That'd be the easiest way Dec 16 14:39:16 what're you talking about Dec 16 14:39:17 lol Dec 16 14:39:28 ISOs, angel beats... whatwhat who are you talking to Dec 16 14:39:55 hmm maybe you're not the Tommy I initially thought yo uwere Dec 16 14:40:08 nope, probably not Dec 16 14:40:18 if it ain't Tommy or TommyB it ain't me Dec 16 14:41:06 I dunno about the Pixi now that I think about it... I still have my first gen Pre that I need to get a simple repair done on and I'd have my backup phone right there Dec 16 14:42:23 Tommy: sorry Dec 16 14:42:47 no problem Dec 16 14:43:02 worst case scenario i'm out like $50, not worried about it Dec 16 14:43:07 kk Dec 16 14:43:26 i just poke an offer to randoms in here occasionally to see if i can get a bite without bothering with ebay fees Dec 16 14:43:31 haha Dec 16 14:43:33 ok Dec 16 14:43:36 :P Dec 16 14:43:40 yeah I was a pretty random pick Dec 16 14:43:41 xD Dec 16 14:43:46 fooled me good xD Dec 16 14:44:01 hahaha Dec 16 14:44:41 why leave webOS though? for me I left it for an Epic 4G last year due to the phone hardware sucking, and limited apps and support Dec 16 14:44:48 i never had webOS Dec 16 14:44:57 oh? you got a Pixi though not opened Dec 16 14:45:03 yep, just to mess with Dec 16 14:45:08 realized it doesn't have wifi, no longer interested Dec 16 14:45:14 for me it'd be a friggin calculator, i'm not getting sprint service Dec 16 14:45:21 haha Dec 16 14:45:37 and in my part of NYC sprint SUCKS so nobody i know has it Dec 16 14:45:47 where in NYC? Dec 16 14:45:53 I grew up in Riverdale Dec 16 14:46:16 the rockaways, in queens Dec 16 14:46:25 ah dunno that area Dec 16 14:47:00 think, absolute opposite side of NYC from you Dec 16 14:47:12 heh I'm Boston now actually Dec 16 14:47:15 I'm in* Dec 16 14:47:16 below manhattan, below brooklyn, across the bay, about as far south as you can get in the boroughs besides SI Dec 16 14:47:21 hahah i lived in lowell, MA for 14 years Dec 16 14:47:28 then came back here, not a fan :P Dec 16 14:47:33 haha Dec 16 14:47:38 Watertown/Cambridge here Dec 16 14:47:39 xD Dec 16 14:47:43 werrd Dec 16 14:47:48 Let me put it to you this way re: the Pixi. GIve me some time to think about it, and if you can't find someone else I'll see if I can afford it then Dec 16 14:48:03 my sister might be headed to cambridge pretty soon for a PhD program, because she's got a masters from columbia but gets paid in trident layers gum Dec 16 14:48:25 that's what you get for majoring in russian literature and culture, i guess Dec 16 14:48:28 like... gimme a few days Dec 16 14:48:33 cool re: your sis Dec 16 14:48:39 hey man, i have all the time in the world, and i'm always in here Dec 16 14:48:44 okay Dec 16 14:48:45 :) Dec 16 14:49:08 I'm rekindled my love for webOS and I'm pleased that there's still such an awesome community Dec 16 14:49:12 I've * Dec 16 14:49:16 heh i can't wait till it's open source Dec 16 14:49:26 i'd totally dual boot webOS and android on my galaxy sexus just for giggles Dec 16 14:49:58 sexus haha Dec 16 14:50:34 dude this'll be my 4th nexus phone Dec 16 14:50:40 i gotta stop giving google all of my money Dec 16 16:22:21 hey guys Dec 16 16:34:42 oh dear god Dec 16 16:34:49 if you uninstall a program that was in your exhibition list Dec 16 16:34:54 it screws up your exhibition program Dec 16 16:35:11 uh oh, how? Dec 16 16:35:43 say you ahve 20 programs in your exhibtion list, and #10 is your current one. If you remove #5, it launches whatever the new #10 is Dec 16 16:37:15 ah, so removing the entry forces it to reorganize and re-run whatever is the current number Dec 16 16:37:22 looks that way Dec 16 16:39:12 im not really familiar with exhibition on webOS - hows it work? Dec 16 16:39:28 so did they ever get a stable android working on the touchpad? Dec 16 17:15:13 no idea Dec 16 17:16:10 Here's how exhibition works -- Dec 16 17:16:33 You put your phone or tablet on the touchstone charger Dec 16 17:16:41 Then the application of your choice takes control of the screen Dec 16 17:16:56 So you get stocks, random messages from facebook, a clock, your calendar for the day, etc. Dec 16 17:16:57 anyone know if you can cancel a suspension request on an app? Dec 16 17:17:12 Probably, you may have to contact pdc@palm.com, though Dec 16 17:17:20 gotcha Dec 16 17:24:34 my touchpad just shows a white cable plug when i try to turn it on. i try charging it and it just shows a dead battery sign. do I need to run the webos doctor? Dec 16 17:41:09 EricBlade1: can you post that in the dev forum? We should be doing it based on app ID not some array order Dec 16 17:44:13 anyone? Dec 16 17:45:00 riskish: sounds like you might need to doctor it. I would try a few more power-offs and plug-ins first. Hold the power button for 20 seconds or so to ensure a power-off, then plug it in and wait a while Dec 16 17:46:41 sugardave: I'm trying webos doctor after multiple power offs/on combos. It says to plug in the device and the next button is still greyed out, like it's not detecting it. Dec 16 17:47:07 hmmm, what OS? Dec 16 17:47:53 well I reset it and put it in the box, so whatever the webos version that comes with the touchpad is. i just took it back out cause id ecided to keep it. Dec 16 17:50:33 :/ Dec 16 17:51:04 no, I meant your computer where you are running the doctor Dec 16 17:53:39 xp Dec 16 17:54:26 so, you might close the docto, kill off any extra java processes from task maanger and try again or maybe a reboot is in order Dec 16 17:54:32 do you have the Palm SDK? Dec 16 17:54:41 no Dec 16 17:54:47 okay Dec 16 17:55:13 you can also try the easy "different USB port" and see if it recognizes it ther Dec 16 17:55:33 I tried a diff usb didnt do much Dec 16 17:55:36 i just plugged it back into the outlet Dec 16 17:55:44 it has the dead battery sign Dec 16 17:55:51 maybe ill just leave it all day and see if it charges Dec 16 17:55:55 you can't charge from USB, btw Dec 16 17:56:07 i know, i plugged it into the wall Dec 16 17:56:13 if it's dead, that MAY be why the doctor isn't finding it... Dec 16 17:56:42 yeah probably Dec 16 17:56:51 im pretty sure its dead, ill just let it charge for a while Dec 16 17:59:39 are you sure you can't charge from usb? Dec 16 17:59:47 ha ha Dec 16 17:59:50 because I'm pretty sure mine charges when on usb...just very slowly Dec 16 17:59:59 it was just dead. there's the hp symbol Dec 16 18:00:15 i think it warns you to use the wall when you do, so i think its not recommended Dec 16 18:02:55 working. Dec 16 18:03:17 45 downloads on my app since launching in october. sweet. Dec 16 18:05:41 Brybry: it WILL trickle charge if the screen is off, but it is SLOOOOOW Dec 16 18:07:09 What is your application? Dec 16 18:08:16 FartPad..lol Dec 16 18:10:41 oh my Dec 16 18:15:28 if it's dead, you can't use the 1A phone charger or USB Dec 16 18:15:48 if it's got the low battery on poweron, it must be the 2A TP charger Dec 16 18:28:11 does preware let you watch hulu or netflix on the touchpad? Dec 16 18:29:26 omg Dec 16 18:29:41 hulu u can probably watch in-browser Dec 16 18:30:36 with flash enabled Dec 16 18:30:54 the desktop version on netflix i think uses Silverlight Dec 16 18:32:23 there's a netflix queue manager app MyQ for webOS, but it doesnt stream Dec 16 18:34:10 HAI ADORA Dec 16 18:34:40 finally got an app coming your way later today :) Dec 16 18:37:51 wuhu sugardave Dec 16 18:38:01 yes indeed :) Dec 16 18:38:05 what sorta app? Dec 16 18:38:28 still have a couple of polishing things and minor bugs to fix in an update shortly thereafter, but overall I'm happy with it Dec 16 18:38:41 zephjc: you'll have to wait and see :) Dec 16 18:38:52 where will it be announced? Dec 16 18:39:57 oh, you won't miss it if you're in here or follow any of the Palm peeps on Twitter Dec 16 18:40:07 heh ok Dec 16 18:41:01 so mysterious Dec 16 18:41:16 gotta build up the hype ;) Dec 16 18:41:31 "announcing... a weather app!!!" Dec 16 18:41:33 jk hehe Dec 16 18:41:56 announcing Dec 16 18:42:02 Darth Vader Breathing ... 2 Dec 16 18:42:08 here's a hint: This app is already available on iOS and Android Dec 16 18:42:11 The Sith Lord Breathes Back Dec 16 18:42:16 haha Dec 16 18:42:19 OMG NETFLIX Dec 16 18:42:22 well that narrows it down :P Dec 16 18:42:22 >_> Dec 16 18:42:23 lol Dec 16 18:42:44 summatusmentis: I'm not going to say either way.... Dec 16 18:43:03 RealPlayer app! FINALLY!! Dec 16 18:45:25 Wait, ShockWave, for real? Dec 16 18:45:31 Adobe AIR Dec 16 18:45:33 umm Dec 16 18:45:34 lol Dec 16 18:45:36 Twitter Dec 16 18:45:39 uhh.. Dec 16 18:45:40 SoundCloud Dec 16 18:45:45 iTunes? Dec 16 18:45:45 PayPal app? Dec 16 18:45:52 sugardave: the hype thing seems to work :) Dec 16 18:45:55 Tell me you ported the PayPal app!? (please?) Dec 16 18:45:57 lol Dec 16 18:45:59 * sugardave makes a list. Dec 16 18:46:05 m.paypal.com isn't good enough Dec 16 18:46:14 nor ... is an icon... to m.paypal.com ... Dec 16 18:46:15 nothing paypal does is very good Dec 16 18:46:24 Hey, don't. Dec 16 18:46:25 we should be able to do PayPal auth via synergy...right? Dec 16 18:46:33 Meg used to be the CEO of eBay Dec 16 18:46:36 and by proxy, PayPal Dec 16 18:46:43 So don't trash talk, SIR. Dec 16 18:46:46 lol Dec 16 18:46:49 ebay also sucks Dec 16 18:46:51 there, i said it Dec 16 18:46:52 haha Dec 16 18:46:53 HEY Dec 16 18:47:02 *that's not nice( Dec 16 18:47:06 its got a lot of cool stuff, and the system works, but it looks like ass Dec 16 18:47:07 * singmajesty whimpers Dec 16 18:47:21 yo mama Dec 16 18:47:23 lol Dec 16 18:47:45 about a year ago i contemplated making a startup to compete, but RL got in the way Dec 16 18:48:04 to compete with ebay? that is lofty, indeed :) Dec 16 18:48:34 hotdp: too easy ;) Dec 16 18:48:59 there isn't a good alarm clock app Dec 16 18:49:03 someone should make one. Dec 16 18:49:12 yeah, I noticed I have no alarm clock on my touchpad...wth? Dec 16 18:49:28 Clock needs an upgrade Dec 16 18:49:40 Ooo ooo Dec 16 18:49:44 is it a flashlight app? Dec 16 18:50:17 Is it, "Our app development track is hard"? Dec 16 18:50:25 hehe Dec 16 18:50:27 I figured there would be at least one that represents the digital clock style numbering. couldn't find any. Dec 16 18:50:39 "How to make an app in 60 easy steps"? Dec 16 18:51:02 XCode is a bear, and the Android NDK is finally not broken ;) Dec 16 18:51:14 But the webOS SDK ... ah, golden Dec 16 18:51:54 is there any sort of IDE for webOS Enyo apps? Dec 16 18:51:55 who wants a digital LED style clock when you can have the flipping cards style numbers Dec 16 18:52:08 I love our SDK...it was so easy to get started in Mojo days. I ONCE tried to get an Android dev environment going and gave up after a few hours of fighting with things. Dec 16 18:52:48 lol Dec 16 18:53:04 sugardave: i strugle with andorid and ios every day Dec 16 18:53:11 Android is SUPER sucky Dec 16 18:53:16 but ios is also bad Dec 16 18:53:24 Mojo was like "plug and play" Dec 16 18:53:31 have not seen anything that easy since Dec 16 18:53:39 oh, if you do a clock app that has flipping numbers, you need the alarm to start playing half way into "I've got you, babe" Dec 16 18:53:58 Mojo > win mobil 7.5 >iOS > android Dec 16 18:54:07 I heard there was an Enyo plugin for IntellijIDEA Dec 16 18:54:13 and Enyo > Mojo Dec 16 18:54:20 I've also written applications with haxe JS, FlashDevelop Dec 16 18:54:32 That gives you full code completion (but most people aren't interested in it) Dec 16 18:54:41 iOS's APIs are second to none, but i agree its not as easy to deal with making apps Dec 16 18:57:15 I am talking about the work flow from install + setup + developement + deplay to app "catalog" Dec 16 18:57:24 *deploy Dec 16 18:57:25 gotcha Dec 16 18:57:38 ios provision profiles Dec 16 18:57:42 they a killing me! Dec 16 18:58:26 heh Dec 16 18:59:18 thats more bureaucratic than technical though Dec 16 18:59:34 hehe Dec 16 18:59:45 I have some strange situations with it. Dec 16 19:00:00 Reboot system, need to plugin devices in different macs ect. Dec 16 19:00:17 also xcode has some quirkcs Dec 16 19:00:45 Yeah, webOS makes me feel spoiled in regards to having an open device Dec 16 19:00:52 novaterm -- bam, root shell over SSH Dec 16 19:01:00 palm-install, done. It's on the device Dec 16 19:01:04 palm-run, it's running. Dec 16 19:01:14 I wish XCode supported a way to install straight to device, or run Dec 16 19:01:27 Or that it was simple to SSH even into an Android device Dec 16 19:02:06 hotdp: Are you installing "native" iOS and Android apps, or are they HTML-based? Dec 16 19:11:26 Mixed Dec 16 19:11:41 Its html based but native plugins that i write Dec 16 19:11:53 Ah, okay Dec 16 19:12:25 I have built tools for NME that install directly to different platforms Dec 16 19:12:35 I had thought of porting it for use with web applications Dec 16 19:12:41 But its trickier if you need your own native code Dec 16 19:12:45 NME has an extension format for that Dec 16 19:12:51 But a regular web application wouldn't :) Dec 16 19:28:29 i think its weird how hulu/netflix aren't standard accessible on touchpad, and there's no apps for it. most other tablets seem to have those standard. kindlfire, ipad, etc. Dec 16 19:29:12 webOS has not had strong support from large companies Dec 16 19:29:25 relatively new compared to iOS and Android juggernauts Dec 16 19:30:22 makes sense. Dec 16 19:30:25 but, sucks for them. Dec 16 19:31:35 someone offered to trade me a kindle fire for my touchpad. touchpad is much better device technically, but the tradeoff is what you just said about the large companies. kindle fire has both netflix/hulu standard. Dec 16 19:32:35 kindle still isnt very appealing to me Dec 16 19:33:19 kindle fire? Dec 16 19:33:27 yeah Dec 16 19:33:38 android devices in general arent very appealing to me Dec 16 19:34:07 its barely noticeable as android Dec 16 19:34:10 i believe Dec 16 19:34:15 Android's become the Windows of the mobile world Dec 16 19:34:30 large install base, but more convoluted than the competition Dec 16 19:34:40