**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 17 02:59:57 2011 Dec 17 03:00:02 instantiated kind namespace? Dec 17 03:01:14 dtzWill: thanks! Dec 17 03:01:41 very welcome hehe :). you still waiting on other places, then? :) Dec 17 03:07:59 yep, will find out about MIT tomorrow Dec 17 03:09:35 zephjc: yeah kinda sorta Dec 17 03:10:03 woot i think i got it figured out .. seperate kinds was the answer, rather than trying to define my new components using an object Dec 17 03:19:14 tib gl Dec 17 03:19:43 Tibfib: great, gl! :D Dec 17 03:21:37 thanks guys! Dec 17 03:21:42 I'll let you know how it goes :) Dec 17 03:22:00 cool cool Dec 17 03:22:06 must b exciting Dec 17 03:22:18 more nerve wracking than anything Dec 17 03:22:34 lol Dec 17 03:22:40 EricBlade: sorry had to bail, but sound slike you got it working Dec 17 03:26:27 not a problem at all. working great, now i just need to figure out how to go backwards, and kill the views i don't need anymore Dec 17 03:27:44 if you have a reference to them, just call .destroy() on it Dec 17 03:30:58 oh.. hmm. i guess setting the length on the list of them that i maintain to 0 is probably not adequate to garbage collect them eh Dec 17 03:32:07 mebbe :) Dec 17 03:33:11 i'll destroy then set length Dec 17 03:33:40 cool, I'm going to play some Skyrim Dec 17 03:33:47 hah nice Dec 17 03:34:41 * EricBlade really hates html5 audio Dec 17 03:34:48 my fiancee's cousin is here for xmas and had been playing a shit load of it on our PS3 Dec 17 03:35:14 i really really really hope 3.0.5 fixes this issue, or this app is never coming out heh Dec 17 03:35:39 the GC issue? Dec 17 03:35:52 i don't know what the issue is, it just stops talking to the file server Dec 17 03:36:20 the file server is a service on the device itself? Dec 17 03:36:23 no Dec 17 03:36:40 the music server just stops receiving any requests from the client for no obvious reason Dec 17 03:36:48 ohh Dec 17 03:41:11 ugh, looks like the app scanner isn't just screwing me, other people reporting it too Dec 17 03:43:21 yuck Dec 17 03:43:33 i want a touchpad but cant justify the price Dec 17 03:44:18 they are worth it :) Dec 17 03:44:21 get one, write a decent app, make back the money Dec 17 03:44:37 i never have good ideas for apps that sound interesting to me Dec 17 03:44:59 im hoping to be able to sell my IPKG feed manager app Dec 17 03:45:14 You know what I would totally buy that would probably be easy for someone to write .. a clone of the iPod XKCD app Dec 17 03:45:26 XKCD? Dec 17 03:45:37 the comic? Dec 17 03:45:43 lol Dec 17 03:45:51 * PatrickC has used like 10 iPhones/iPods Dec 17 03:46:05 yes, the comic Dec 17 03:46:11 good thing about mac app store: makes it easy to buy apps Dec 17 03:46:15 its just a comic indexer Dec 17 03:46:25 it's just a simple carousel app, that caches all the ones you view for some time Dec 17 03:46:25 bad thing about mac app store: makes it easy to buy _many_ apps. Dec 17 03:46:54 bonus if it had exhibition support Dec 17 03:47:13 halfhalo: but thats very GOOD for apple Dec 17 03:47:23 bad for my wallet Dec 17 03:47:41 hehe Dec 17 03:48:25 CONSUME. OBEY. SLEEP. Dec 17 03:50:16 i think it would be bad form to profit from a app that's 1) just a simple front-end to copyrighted material and 2) free on iTunes Dec 17 03:51:37 i should just look thru my iPhone and iPad for apps that dont exist of have analogs on webOS Dec 17 03:51:42 or have* Dec 17 03:54:30 if webos can shorten the time between software updates, and they release webos 4 opensource it would be just about perfect Dec 17 03:55:33 zzep.. talk about easy business model. just clone ipad apps Dec 17 03:55:41 lol Dec 17 03:55:48 GOLD MINE! Dec 17 03:55:56 how many new tps alone Dec 17 03:56:18 just imagine if someone got it to run on a transformer prime Dec 17 03:56:26 o o Dec 17 03:56:31 HP will probably spend most of their time getting patented and otherwise non-open-sourceable components replaced/removed, and the source cleaned up Dec 17 03:56:42 but still Dec 17 03:56:56 transformer prime? Dec 17 03:57:06 hmm. this views-on-demand thing is just crushing my pre2 Dec 17 03:57:18 if you could pick anything to do Dec 17 03:58:19 does anyone use kalemsoft media streamer on their pc? Dec 17 03:59:25 good god, i'm glad i decided to test this on my pre+, it's been sitting on the touchstone locked up and heating up massively Dec 17 03:59:33 yikes Dec 17 03:59:43 youre just adding views programmatically? Dec 17 04:00:25 my pong clock on the pre+ had halted about 6 minutes ago, and the whole phone is extremely hot :O Dec 17 04:00:35 yikes Dec 17 04:01:33 well it's not just adding views programmatically, it's also doing a lot of data manipulation. but i don't know why even with a small amount of data, it is taking a crap ton longer to render and change views and scroll on the pre2, compared to the prior version of the code, which had two fixed views. it may still be something related to 2.2.4 Dec 17 04:02:56 what sorta data manipulation? Dec 17 04:03:40 nope it's not 2.2.4, it's ridiculously slow on my pre+ too.. argh. Dec 17 04:06:02 any way you can profile the code? Dec 17 04:10:10 hmm. accelerated scrolling helped quite a bit, the animations are still terrible though Dec 17 04:14:35 that doesnt sound like a correct fix Dec 17 04:14:46 can u pull out the data processing code? Dec 17 04:16:54 and make sure your pre doesnt melt Dec 17 04:18:01 watching a video on YT introducing enyo - why was it ever a strategy from HP to put webOS on the desktop? its really cool, but it cant compete with windows and OS X Dec 17 04:18:05 unfortunately, the only profiling i can do is in Chrome, which is not exhibiting the terrible behavior Dec 17 04:18:43 hmmm Dec 17 04:19:00 zephjc, I would see it as a replacement for splashtop that they include on some of their systems Dec 17 04:19:35 never used splashot Dec 17 04:20:13 Its interesting. It's an instant on environment Dec 17 04:20:16 also, Chrome doesn't have a "number of calls", just a "% of CPU", i need to make sure all the routines that take actual time to process aren't being unnecessarily run Dec 17 04:20:27 console.log? :D Dec 17 04:20:37 Kinda cool, but not something i'd want to use considering win7 boots pretty fast on my laptop Dec 17 04:20:44 yeah Dec 17 04:21:22 WebOS would be kinda cool on their TouchSmart PC line though Dec 17 04:22:46 Anyone familiar with python? Dec 17 04:22:51 i am Dec 17 04:22:58 been using it for about 8 years :) Dec 17 04:23:01 There's no lack of Windows apps, so I assumed the poiny Dec 17 04:24:04 Well, I'm using my tp to get a node.js module compiled. getting an error on the script about no module Options Dec 17 04:24:05 ...point of webOS on desktops was to have familiar apps that synced data via DB8... but evidently that wasn't heir idea. Dec 17 04:24:19 wrea: I'd be willing to guess most wosi dev are familiar with python Dec 17 04:24:44 Sorry, I don't know Python Dec 17 04:24:47 LarrySteeze, True, but I dont like assuming Dec 17 04:24:56 see? hehe Dec 17 04:25:46 compiling js to native code via python? i confuse Dec 17 04:31:38 what's the script that you're running? do you call python explicitly? if so, you can use -i to enter the repl, and or 'python -c "import sys; print sys.path"' to see where all the modules are located Dec 17 04:33:25 '', '/opt/lib/python25.zip', '/opt/lib/python2.5/', '/opt/lib/python2.5/plat-linux2', '/opt/lib/python2.5/lib-tk', '/opt/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload'] Dec 17 04:34:31 the python that comes in optware is horrendous for some reason Dec 17 04:34:40 whats the import look like? like: import Options Dec 17 04:34:40 ? Dec 17 04:34:43 (I think its 2.6/7 thats really broke) Dec 17 04:35:09 im using 2.5 since its the minimum to use with node.js Dec 17 04:35:14 huh Dec 17 04:35:26 python != javascript :P Dec 17 04:35:40 Uses python for build system :P Dec 17 04:35:47 oh that shit Dec 17 04:35:51 node fucking sucks so hard Dec 17 04:35:59 * PatrickC wanders in Dec 17 04:36:00 it is the worst packages software in existance. Dec 17 04:36:04 *packaged Dec 17 04:36:19 yeah, horrible. Cant even cross compile it, which is why im using my tp Dec 17 04:36:20 lol Dec 17 04:36:49 weak Dec 17 04:37:17 at any rate Dec 17 04:37:31 where is the python code? Dec 17 04:37:44 Yeah, cant even get through configure. Cant find pthread.h even though it seems to take CFLAGS Dec 17 04:38:21 the script, you should add in, somewhere before the Options import: Dec 17 04:38:22 import sys Dec 17 04:38:22 sys.path += ['/path/to/nodejs/python/files/'] Dec 17 04:39:52 thats sooooo not how to do that Dec 17 04:40:10 it works but urgh bad python Dec 17 04:43:36 I'd just like to get it to cross compile, since I use widk Dec 17 04:43:51 ah Dec 17 04:44:26 https://github.com/patrickc14/feed-generator Dec 17 04:44:59 I have no idea where its looking for pthread.h when configure runs Dec 17 04:45:19 pthready.h should be in the standard headers Dec 17 04:45:20 in -L Dec 17 04:47:00 zephjc, it is, but it isnt finding it Dec 17 04:48:52 brb dog needs a walk Dec 17 04:50:23 it's a conspiracy Dec 17 04:50:27 he doesn't need to walk Dec 17 04:51:11 yeah, he just doesnt want to talk to me anymore :P Dec 17 04:52:21 I know I don't Dec 17 04:52:32 lol, thanks Dec 17 04:52:40 I kid I kid. :) Dec 17 04:52:45 I'm off Dec 17 04:52:49 'night all Dec 17 04:53:17 Night, good luck Dec 17 05:02:40 Even setting cflags in the python script didnt help Dec 17 05:08:48 haha Dec 17 05:09:04 yes, she needed a walk - 85 lbs Great Dane puppy with too much energy Dec 17 05:09:30 puppy? thats not a puppy... Dec 17 05:09:36 lol Dec 17 05:09:52 it is when its a dane lol Dec 17 05:11:28 http://evanwilbrecht.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/this-isnt-goodbye-its-just-hello-from-another-location-2/ Dec 17 05:12:53 I doubt he'll be the last Dec 17 05:13:22 dammit. i want an opportunity at Nokia now. at least, if they aren't going to end up crashing and burning Dec 17 05:14:05 ok, so, i think the issue i'm having with speed, is that destroying a large quantity of components on a phone is a very expensive operation Dec 17 05:16:06 can you re-use Components? Dec 17 05:16:31 well, i could, but i don't want them anymore Dec 17 05:17:44 i suppose i could generate some kind of component pool, but i bet that moving them around (how would I even do that?) would probably be just as expensive as create/destroy Dec 17 05:18:57 app catalog update. seems touchpad only Dec 17 05:20:02 yeah. I didn't notice any differences Dec 17 05:21:39 can you reduce the number of Compnents you need at any given time, through lazy views? Dec 17 05:22:15 hmm. i take that back, just sliding between two views that were dynamically created takes forever, even if they are already there Dec 17 05:22:39 you try to slide from A to B, and B has to be generated first? Dec 17 05:23:13 http://patrickc14.github.com/feed-generator/ cool :) Dec 17 05:23:23 generated 100% on the github site. very easy to do Dec 17 05:23:28 all of them are being generated, but if i switch between two that already exist, it takes forever. if i switch between two that are predfined, it works fine. *confused* Dec 17 05:23:37 maybe i'm accidentally re-generating them.. hmm Dec 17 05:23:47 sounds plausible Dec 17 05:24:05 are you holding onto references for ones you still need? Dec 17 05:24:21 i should clock my main cpu down to about 300mhz so i can profile it in chrome at the same speed as a touchpad hah Dec 17 05:24:29 lol Dec 17 05:24:36 probably still wouldn't help, the touchpad is cutting through the workload like butter Dec 17 05:24:55 the app cat update gets rid of pivot and brings featured apps Dec 17 05:25:21 that happened like a week ago Dec 17 05:25:31 I had pivot all week Dec 17 05:25:45 it just went away for me o.O Dec 17 05:26:17 http://owncloud.org/ <- cool toy Dec 17 05:26:33 LarrySteeze: i had the featured apps thing about a week ago Dec 17 05:26:37 not new to the new catalog :) Dec 17 05:26:46 *shrug* Dec 17 05:41:23 is there some kind of clock access from Javascript, so I can time what the hell is going on? Dec 17 05:48:07 Date Dec 17 05:48:40 Well, Date.now() for a bare timestamp. Dec 17 05:50:14 hmm. what is the granularity there? Dec 17 05:50:15 ms? Dec 17 05:53:25 each time i create a view it takes 2 to 5 times longer than the last one Dec 17 05:53:27 yikes Dec 17 06:03:27 Date.now() is ms or greater granularity... no guarantee. Dec 17 06:04:20 Well, if you call it fast enough, you could get two values the same. Dec 17 06:04:31 But the vale is in ms. Dec 17 06:05:56 Sounds like old objects aren't getting garbage-collected. You might want to double-check you're nulling all references to old objects Dec 17 06:08:13 the first one takes about 100ms to create. the secondo ne takes about 1500. third and beyond take around 3000 Dec 17 06:08:26 i rarely if ever have more than 3 at a time Dec 17 06:10:12 Might want to post to developer.palm.com ... I suspect Enyo is not optimized for dynamic UI creation. Dec 17 06:10:28 4th and 5th take just over 3000ms Dec 17 06:11:12 * DougReeder waves goodnight Dec 17 06:12:21 on touchpad, 1st one is 50ms, second one is 120ms, 3rd is 200ms, 4th is 200ms, 5th is 210 Dec 17 06:14:11 TouchPad is quite a bit faster than Chrome at 3.2ghz though. :O Dec 17 06:14:23 either that or the date function is returning different things Dec 17 06:22:25 hmm. cut two boxes out of the equation, and that cut my max time in half on the phone, and by about 10% on touchpad Dec 17 06:23:23 good thing to note, you can use a layoutKind in a VirtualRepeater definition, to avoid having to wrap your items in flex boxes Dec 17 06:40:51 AHA! calling render on an entire Pane is bad. Dec 17 06:41:24 had to call render after the view was created, but i needed to call it JUST on the new view, not on the entirep ane Dec 17 06:41:45 EricBlade: do you have any android phones? Dec 17 06:42:06 no .. i have android on my touchpad.. shhh. Dec 17 06:42:22 lol i'm just trying to get rid of this pixi still Dec 17 06:42:33 was going to ask if you had a really crappy android phone i could switch it for :D Dec 17 06:42:55 considering that we can still get pixis for around $50 or so, that'd probably have to be a really bad android phone Dec 17 06:43:16 EricBlade: i have a pixi, brand new in box, and yeah i'm looking to sell it for <$50 Dec 17 06:43:37 or trade for like, any android phone on the planet, i'd take a motorola backflip at this point Dec 17 06:43:49 as long as it takes a SIM card or has wifi it's better than the pixi, sprint only and i'm not a sprint customer Dec 17 06:52:18 Bah anyone know a good Bank of America app for webOS? Dec 17 06:53:43 I guess I could use the website, but it'd be nice if there was an app Dec 17 06:57:58 no idea Dec 17 06:58:15 i know there's one for [insert every mobile OS but webOS here], but i haven't seen one for webOS Dec 17 06:58:27 i havent seen anything Dec 17 06:58:36 I want a Square app Dec 17 07:00:18 I want Torus App. Dec 17 07:00:41 nice Dec 17 07:01:43 i want a round app Dec 17 07:01:55 or an aries app Dec 17 07:08:14 abd you thought you could escape manual memory management! Dec 17 07:08:58 is Aries still valid? Dec 17 07:09:45 like, still used for building apps? Dec 17 07:13:41 some people use it apparently Dec 17 07:13:48 there's rumors of a future Enyo version Dec 17 07:13:55 nice Dec 17 07:14:20 im watching a YT vid where he's doing stuff with Aries making an Enyo app Dec 17 07:14:42 he = Matt McNutly Dec 17 07:16:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4HDftIllw#t=1489s Dec 17 07:31:08 argh.. i should read instructions better lol Dec 17 07:31:16 i might have just broke my bluetooth :/ Dec 17 07:31:45 uh oh Dec 17 07:32:12 nothing a doctor cant fix :) Dec 17 07:32:33 well, actually, i did change the original file to .old so i could roll back to it Dec 17 07:32:37 so i might try that.. Dec 17 07:32:50 then actually follow the instructions this time and turn off bluetooth first :) Dec 17 07:33:03 howd you break it? Dec 17 07:33:18 by not turning it off before i did something to PmBtStack Dec 17 07:33:30 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-213.html#post3265408 Dec 17 07:35:09 ahhhh lol Dec 17 07:35:21 looks like it isnt booting.. lets give it a few more minutes and see :) Dec 17 07:35:22 yeah Dec 17 07:35:31 finally got novaterm access Dec 17 07:35:41 booted *whew* Dec 17 07:35:58 lol Dec 17 07:36:13 bluetooth was on before it shut down.. its booted now and bluetooth is off Dec 17 07:36:16 lol Dec 17 07:36:29 trying to make Mr T in Skyrim Dec 17 07:36:43 aaaannnndddd.. i cant turn on bluetooth :/ Dec 17 07:36:48 lets try and roll back the files Dec 17 07:38:29 turns out it didnt place a file where it should have. trying this again Dec 17 07:38:59 lol Dec 17 07:39:01 I bought Communities today since it was half off. Dec 17 07:39:10 wassat? Dec 17 07:39:23 isn't it like 2:30am PatrickC? Dec 17 07:39:30 1:30 Dec 17 07:39:40 wrea: what do u think? Dec 17 07:40:02 its a damn nice app Dec 17 07:40:18 lol. ive been using it for quite a while. the beta was even amazing! Dec 17 07:40:58 new beta for XO going up if anyone cares Dec 17 07:41:11 X0? lol Dec 17 07:42:10 ka6sox-away: don't you want a pixi? Dec 17 07:44:05 Tommy: I'm still considering the Pixi... haven't decided yet though Dec 17 07:44:08 Tommy, of course Dec 17 07:44:31 Shiggs|i5: like i said, all the time in the world, i just keep throwing it at randoms :D Dec 17 07:44:36 sure sure Dec 17 07:44:47 my galaxy sexus gets here on monday, CAN'T WAIT. Dec 17 07:45:03 I was thinking of giving it to my mom since my old Epic 4G she's got annoys her at times, but she needs WiFi capability since she's going abroad, and I aint playing for roaming. Dec 17 07:45:07 Tommy, I'll send it into space. Dec 17 07:45:25 ka6sox-away: if you actually did that i'd give it to you Dec 17 07:45:25 BLAST OFF haha Dec 17 07:45:27 it's brand new in box Dec 17 07:45:37 if you could show me a video of it going to space it'd totally be worth it to me Dec 17 07:45:42 xD Dec 17 07:45:44 into space* Dec 17 07:46:14 I Hope it survives being up @ 100k ft :D Dec 17 07:46:25 Shiggs|i5: going abroad doesn't mean you need wifi, it means you need a new network Dec 17 07:46:29 switch her to t-mobile :D Dec 17 07:46:42 naw Dec 17 07:46:45 Roaming Dec 17 07:46:46 you won't be able to actually see it as it would have to be buried in the foam to hope it stays alive. Dec 17 07:46:56 I aint paying Roaming when she's in India with my dad Dec 17 07:46:56 ka6sox-away: it's not the height that'd kill it, it's just the impact with the earth Dec 17 07:47:10 yep Dec 17 07:47:21 Shiggs|i5: she'd buy a SIM card there, pop it into her t-mobile phone... no roaming. Dec 17 07:47:33 you know that's what most people in the world do when they travel, right? everyone who isn't on sprint/verizon? Dec 17 07:47:34 She's got an older unlocked Tmo Dec 17 07:47:45 so Maybe she'll use that Dec 17 07:47:50 she'll also somehow Skype me Dec 17 07:48:00 i paid a grand total of $30 for 2 weeks in kenya and like $75 for 8 weeks in australia with unlimited errythang Dec 17 07:48:15 heh Dec 17 07:48:20 Tommy, I would use it for either flight unit or devel unit :D Dec 17 07:48:24 it was her reasoning... not mine Dec 17 07:48:43 ka6sox-away: i just wish i hadn't bought the thing, i thought it had wifi -_- Dec 17 07:48:44 I'd like a small fuckaround/backup webOS device, but then again I wouldn't use it much Dec 17 07:48:53 Sprint? Dec 17 07:48:55 yep Dec 17 07:48:59 ^^that's all i wanted, shiggs Dec 17 07:49:13 but i got the wifi-less, sim cardless model faaaack Dec 17 07:49:18 haha Dec 17 07:49:25 I think the ATT one the Pixi Plus has wifi Dec 17 07:49:26 not sure though Dec 17 07:49:35 yeah, all pixi plus' do have wifi Dec 17 07:49:42 then why not get one of thems? Dec 17 07:49:49 * PatrickC grumbles about the sprint pixi not having wifi Dec 17 07:49:53 lolz Dec 17 07:50:22 lol I saw this lady on the bus once with a Pixi with the factory plastic screen protector on it Dec 17 07:50:23 PatrickC, you knew that. Dec 17 07:50:37 omg, coolest smartphone ever right here Dec 17 07:50:38 http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/mob/2754579303.html Dec 17 07:50:49 i wish i knew one other person using XO so I could get direct feedback on it. :| Dec 17 07:50:50 ka6sox-away: huh? yeah. i knew the pixi- didnt have wifi Dec 17 07:50:53 i had one for a year Dec 17 07:50:53 Shiggs|i5: because this one was cheap, i paid like $50 shipped brand new in box, can't get a pixi plus on AT&T for that Dec 17 07:51:14 EricBlade: whats x0? i might start using it :) Dec 17 07:51:25 Tommy: Ewwww Moto Flip 3G = eww Dec 17 07:51:32 what about the Microsoft Kin? Dec 17 07:51:36 Shiggs|i5: i want it, omgz it's so cute! Dec 17 07:51:45 kiddinz, kiddinz Dec 17 07:51:47 patrickC: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ericblade.xobeta Dec 17 07:51:47 XD Dec 17 07:51:56 Tommy: I was just about to declare you gay. :P jk jk Dec 17 07:52:19 Shiggs|i5: verizon version doesn't have wifi either right Dec 17 07:52:25 no idea Dec 17 07:52:37 I left webOS for like 2 years until now with my TP Dec 17 07:52:53 EricBlade: bookmarked for when i boot back to windows :) Dec 17 07:52:57 lol has webos even been around for 2 years Dec 17 07:53:05 it seems like it was founded and went bankrupt in 6 months Dec 17 07:53:06 PatrickC: windows doesn't run on touchpads or pres Dec 17 07:53:12 lol Dec 17 07:53:32 Tommy: 20090606 Dec 17 07:53:55 PatrickC: ? Dec 17 07:54:19 06/06/2009 Dec 17 07:54:25 webOS' launch date Dec 17 07:54:28 or the Konami code xD Dec 17 07:54:28 oh right Dec 17 07:54:39 up up down down left right left right b a start Dec 17 07:54:46 PatrickC: so from first to last device launch, <2y, right? Dec 17 07:55:14 i think by a few days yeah Dec 17 07:55:16 last device launch was technically the Pre3, on Aug 17 Dec 17 07:55:36 ah, touche Dec 17 07:55:45 TouchPad was Jul 1 Dec 17 07:55:58 WebOS: 06/06/2009-17/08/2011 =( Dec 17 07:56:03 in memory of Dec 17 07:56:29 YEAHHHHHHH!!!!! MAP Bluetooth on my Pre- running 2.1.0!!!!!!! Dec 17 07:56:37 OMG NO WAY Dec 17 07:56:41 YES! Dec 17 07:56:45 k Dec 17 07:56:51 anyone have a 1.4.5 device they can test on??? Dec 17 07:56:54 this is amazing Dec 17 07:57:01 i have one, but it doesn't have service Dec 17 07:57:40 hmm.. i dont think youll be able to test without service :/ Dec 17 07:57:47 ka6sox-away: do u have one laying around? Dec 17 07:58:37 Mirror SMS is an option in the bluetooth settings!! :D Dec 17 07:59:01 PatrickC right, i can't receive text messages without service Dec 17 07:59:02 one what? Dec 17 07:59:12 at least, until i figure out how to get GVoice to connect to the Messenger Dec 17 07:59:12 a 1.4.5 device thats activated? Dec 17 07:59:13 :) Dec 17 07:59:19 anybody have some sort of webOS device with wifi they'd want to trade for a new sprint pixi? Dec 17 07:59:20 EricBlade: hurry up! :) Dec 17 07:59:33 idc if it's scratched up or has a broken volume rocker or whatever else could be wrong with it Dec 17 07:59:41 as long as i can play with webOS and have wifi or a sim card Dec 17 07:59:54 ka6sox-away: i found instructions on how to put the MAP profile on 2.1... im wondering if it works with 1.4.5 as well Dec 17 08:00:10 want to find out before i do a writeup on it Dec 17 08:00:11 dunno Dec 17 08:00:38 since this is more hacking, ill ask if anyone if they have one in #webos-internals Dec 17 08:03:37 Tommy: my refurb Pre needs a flex cable fixed for the display... Does that count? xD Dec 17 08:03:53 Shiggs|i5: not if i can't play with webOS on it and see what i'm doing lol Dec 17 08:03:56 :( Dec 17 08:04:03 Haha Dec 17 08:04:07 you'd have to repair it Dec 17 08:04:14 yeah right, i'd break it more Dec 17 08:04:29 XD Dec 17 08:04:40 anybody here have an extra pre 2? Dec 17 08:04:57 i'd trade a nexus S with broken loudspeaker and my pixi for that Dec 17 08:06:35 * Tommy gnaws on webOS Dec 17 08:07:10 om nom Dec 17 08:08:13 I'd trade my Pre- for that Dec 17 08:08:29 maybe Dec 17 08:08:54 I'll trade my brother for it Dec 17 08:08:57 he's useless Dec 17 08:08:59 LMFAO Dec 17 08:09:00 jk Dec 17 08:09:21 PatrickC: was the palm pixi ever on verizon, or only the pixi plus? Dec 17 08:09:40 the Pixi was Sprint only Dec 17 08:09:42 yeah I think the + Dec 17 08:09:45 yeah Dec 17 08:09:47 pixi proper Dec 17 08:09:47 hmm Dec 17 08:09:48 the Pixi Plus was ATT/Vzw Dec 17 08:09:51 ya Dec 17 08:09:55 PatrickC: found a verizon pixi + for $10 Dec 17 08:10:12 really? wow Dec 17 08:10:15 thats a really good deal Dec 17 08:10:19 yeah Dec 17 08:10:20 Get it! Dec 17 08:10:24 i will Dec 17 08:10:36 then i won't feel so bad doing dirty things to the sprint pixi i have Dec 17 08:10:59 ...it's not as new in box as you said it would be hahah Dec 17 08:11:03 you tele-perv Dec 17 08:11:07 hahahaha Dec 17 08:23:47 night guys Dec 17 08:25:36