**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 19 02:59:58 2011 Dec 19 04:13:15 https://twitter.com/#!/workforfood/status/148601921173860352 Dec 19 04:13:29 (kim jong il is dead - finally) Dec 19 04:41:56 are there tree controls for Enyo? Dec 19 04:46:07 tree controls? Dec 19 04:47:15 make one! :) Dec 19 04:51:08 oil: we need to get cracking on wirc-enyo so it can be featured as a default app in the first oss webos release :D Dec 19 04:51:16 hehe Dec 19 04:51:37 ive started on my project, named Ouroboros Dec 19 04:52:02 On-device Enyo IDE made in Enyo Dec 19 04:52:53 why? Dec 19 04:52:59 ares 2 is an enyo ide Dec 19 04:53:11 and Tide is out there too Dec 19 04:53:15 has ares 2 been release? Dec 19 04:53:33 it will be Dec 19 04:53:38 will it? Dec 19 04:53:42 should be Dec 19 04:53:53 checking out tide Dec 19 04:53:58 i mean i know HP has been busting their ass on it Dec 19 04:54:09 zephjc: Tide is the editor i started based on ace Dec 19 04:54:11 hrm, I guess that would surprise me Dec 19 04:54:18 the editor engine that powers cloud9 Dec 19 04:54:20 but if they're "doubling down" so to speak, that makes sense Dec 19 04:54:43 zephjc: i havent had much time to work on it lately but it does edit single files fine Dec 19 04:54:49 and syntax highlighting works well Dec 19 04:54:53 thats cool Dec 19 04:54:56 i need to add multiple file support soon Dec 19 04:55:03 and "project" support Dec 19 04:55:14 with a way to run build scripts, etc. Dec 19 04:55:25 no way am i going to make it enyo specific Dec 19 04:55:37 that is def where ares comes in if u need that Dec 19 04:56:25 zephjc: i would suggest not investing a whole lot of time into an enyo ide because i know hp had a fairly large team working on just that Dec 19 04:56:45 im sure they do - i saw the video of them showing it off Dec 19 04:57:06 im not holding my breath tho - at the least it will make more familiar with the APIs Dec 19 04:59:09 PuffTheMagic: yeah Dec 19 05:17:37 man, takes some discipline to not let Enyo component trees turn into spaghetti lol Dec 19 05:25:17 Speak no ill of the dead; Say only good. Dec 19 05:25:20 Kim Jong-Il is dead. Good. Dec 19 05:28:10 * dwc- is an idiot. Dec 19 05:28:28 * dwc- stops wondering why external drive is not showing up and plugs usb cable into computer too Dec 19 05:28:38 xD Dec 19 05:32:03 dwc-: http://i.qkme.me/2cz3.jpg Dec 19 05:32:16 lol totally Dec 19 05:32:57 oil: i love how u instantly have the an image for every situation Dec 19 05:33:18 im good at googling Dec 19 05:33:21 he's working on a search engine for that Dec 19 05:33:30 when he's not working on wirc Dec 19 05:33:30 and finding what i was looking for Dec 19 05:33:31 i keep reading "oil" as "oli" Dec 19 05:34:48 i searched for "usb cable third try" Dec 19 05:34:50 and then found http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/2cz3/ Dec 19 05:34:56 and had to use the inspector to find the image url Dec 19 05:35:07 because they do some "covering clear image" trick to try and stop it Dec 19 05:35:29 lol @ trying to stop it Dec 19 05:35:31 blank image and a CSS background-image Dec 19 05:36:36 wooppee. i gotta download visual studio, like zillion gb download Dec 19 05:36:40 I adblock flickr's pixel that does that Dec 19 05:36:49 lol Dec 19 05:37:06 right click > inspect element is just so easy Dec 19 05:37:27 yea, but when it's adblocked, I can just right-click copy image Dec 19 05:37:40 true Dec 19 05:37:44 I feel so incompetent when I spend time talking to web developers Dec 19 05:37:46 well, view image, that way I can make sure they're not pulling stupid shit :p Dec 19 05:38:00 oh, talk to me then Dec 19 05:38:03 * dwc- isn't a web developer Dec 19 05:38:19 dwc-: what do you do? Dec 19 05:38:23 i guess i technically am Dec 19 05:38:30 sw engineer Dec 19 05:38:41 same difference? Dec 19 05:38:44 that sounds like some MS name for a position Dec 19 05:38:47 Software Developer is my title too Dec 19 05:38:57 the "web" I design would render fine in netscape 3.02 Dec 19 05:39:02 * oil is systems manager Dec 19 05:39:10 just happens that our front end is the browser Dec 19 05:39:34 back end is about a million lines of python Dec 19 05:39:38 literally Dec 19 05:39:40 * summatusmentis is writing a Struts application as part of research Dec 19 05:40:12 that's the extend of my "web development" Dec 19 05:41:08 heh Dec 19 05:42:25 the browser is just a very useful front end Dec 19 05:42:37 practically anything can use it Dec 19 05:43:09 yup Dec 19 05:44:25 but the number of browsers that do things differently makes it difficult sometimes Dec 19 05:45:15 so oil sticks to what works on the Pre- Dec 19 05:45:38 webos makes it easy because its just webkit you have to worry about Dec 19 05:47:32 webos makes everything easy. other platforms take that easy and make it ridiculously hard. Dec 19 05:48:22 webos is the platform for idiots, really. but one could also say it's the platform for people who are interested in developing but not quite sure if they can do it or not Dec 19 05:48:51 webos is like mobile apps for dummies Dec 19 05:49:32 i dunno - i think its smart to leverage large projects like WebKit (thanks, Apple!) and V8 (thanks, Google!) for the development platform Dec 19 05:49:47 don't mistake ease and simplicity with stupidity Dec 19 05:50:02 hmm Dec 19 05:50:08 if webos is the platform for idiots, Dec 19 05:50:11 why aren't more people using it? Dec 19 05:50:16 lol Dec 19 05:50:17 lol Dec 19 05:50:53 oil: indeed. Dec 19 05:51:19 dwc-: no apple logo ? Dec 19 05:52:07 fxspec06_: I resent that, see oil's statement Dec 19 05:52:52 oil's right, my statement was incorrect Dec 19 05:53:09 I don't mean to be hostile Dec 19 05:53:19 but I like Apple products, generally Dec 19 05:53:31 now, their business decisions are a different story Dec 19 05:53:32 i do too. but webos is miles easier to make apps for Dec 19 05:53:40 but that's neither here nor there Dec 19 05:53:48 yeh, I've never done any mac/ios dev Dec 19 05:54:08 or, I guess on an abstract level I've done mac dev Dec 19 05:54:16 but it was "unix dev" Dec 19 05:55:35 i should go to bed soon Dec 19 05:55:45 quick Enyo Q: for any popups i define, do I add them into the main view's components list? Dec 19 05:56:00 and use e.g. openAtCenter() Dec 19 05:56:07 fxspec06_: sleep when you're dead? Dec 19 05:56:19 they don't have to be in your 'main' view.. just hte view you want to open them at Dec 19 05:56:40 yeah sleep, i don't think i need it right this second Dec 19 05:56:58 hmm ok Dec 19 05:57:24 you can do openAtCenter(), openAt(), openNear() Dec 19 05:57:34 yeah Dec 19 05:57:49 got the docs open :) they just dont give much use context Dec 19 05:58:16 it's mostly your imagination. they give you just enough but never too much Dec 19 05:58:31 hehe Dec 19 05:58:34 the docs encourage you to do it yourself Dec 19 06:21:13 * fxspec06_ yawns Dec 19 06:41:58 does an enyo control, if not provided with a name, have it derived from the kind name? e.g. kind: "Button" -> name: "button" ? Dec 19 06:42:03 or are the docs just misleading? Dec 19 06:58:23 was there only 1 entry into the last app hack - http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/12/app-hack-winner-mapping/ ? Dec 19 06:59:04 thats pretty cool lookin Dec 19 07:00:20 they so need to update the footer on that blog Dec 19 07:00:57 lol "HP Veer planned availability this spring." Dec 19 07:01:10 "HP TouchPad and HP Pre 3 planned availability this summer." Dec 19 07:02:27 zephjc: yes: names and ids for things are automatically derived. however, the documentation for -how- they are derived is.. non-existant, as far as i've been able to tell Dec 19 07:02:54 mystery data hmm Dec 19 07:03:06 it would be nice if all hp webos device upgrade to single webos version available Dec 19 07:03:12 patching is so... hard Dec 19 07:03:36 ids I can see, but not names when u have to target like this.$somename Dec 19 07:03:38 now that i have a better understanding of the language than i did 3 months ago when i started this journey, i may try to understand what's going on during component creation again zephjc Dec 19 07:03:46 migrating to a single version across devices was planned before everything happened, afaik Dec 19 07:04:19 wrea: i don't have an authoritative answer on that, but i do see al ot of people quote someone, perhaps Rubinstein, that "2 is for phones, 3 is for tablets" Dec 19 07:04:20 dont bother targeting phones? just tablets? Dec 19 07:05:09 but i have a feeling that if we end up getting both the 2.x and 3.x source codes (and maybe even 1.x?) that somehow we'll end up with a giant mishmash of 1, 2, and 3 Dec 19 07:05:16 and it will all be called like 3.1 or 3.5 or something Dec 19 07:05:32 bluh Dec 19 07:06:24 if they want it to be on devices from other parties, it might be smart to go ahead an merge them if that was the plan at all Dec 19 07:06:45 but what do i know Dec 19 07:06:51 i agree Dec 19 07:11:03 i would totally agree. i think 3.0 would have very little trouble on phones. i'd like the 3.0 style menu and notifications better on the phones too Dec 19 07:11:16 yeah Dec 19 07:11:17 since the notifications don't eat screen space in 3.0 Dec 19 07:12:25 presumably, that could be an option whether to put notifications on the menu bar or on a seperate bar, or what not Dec 19 07:13:05 or at least have a -dedicated- bar at the bottom instead of it stealing screen space when there are notifications, and not when there aren't Dec 19 07:15:40 gnite all Dec 19 07:16:06 night zephjc-sleep Dec 19 07:40:13 ok i think i just screwed up the MMS settings on my phone. anyone care to send me a pic? Dec 19 08:03:18 Santa's busy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qcmCUsw4EQ&feature=player_embedded Dec 19 08:25:01 EricBlade: mms settings should be carrier specific Dec 19 08:37:26 ok.. what do i need to do with ffmpeg to guarantee getting a video that is in a format that a touchpad can understnad Dec 19 08:38:18 EricBlade1: sorry, i don't think they make deadOS formatted videos Dec 19 08:38:22 ohhh snap Dec 19 08:42:15 pretty sure I've seen a handbrake thread for that... pretty sure that uses ffmpeg Dec 19 08:42:52 don't recall whether it had exact ffmpeg opts Dec 19 08:43:06 but that might be a start Dec 19 08:43:36 all i'm able to get back is "There was an error playing the file" meh Dec 19 09:08:00 when you convert vids to pre format, you can use options for iOS phones. maybe the same here? Dec 19 09:08:13 those are easy to find Dec 19 09:40:54 ok, let's try it this way. a format that the TouchPad can actually -stream- Dec 19 09:51:44 EricBlade1: but lol deadOS i'm so edgy Dec 19 09:52:14 apparently, ffmpeg can't live-stream out to mp4 Dec 19 09:52:31 my default live-stream settings are to go to flv Dec 19 09:52:36 but we can't play flv at all Dec 19 09:52:54 at least, as far as i can tell. it may be possible that my live stream function is completely broken Dec 19 10:11:56 MP4 (mov) puts the index at the end, so isn't directly streamable Dec 19 10:14:26 see also AVI Dec 19 10:14:33 and MKV iirc Dec 19 10:15:27 gst-inspect should tell you all supported containers & codecs Dec 19 11:10:25 is there a way to get an image from the camera in an PDK app? Dec 19 11:10:35 I mean - any way? Dec 19 11:15:00 KungPhoo: if you can make service requests, we can probably locate a way to do that Dec 19 11:15:30 I don't understand? Dec 19 11:17:35 i don't know anything about PDK, but if you can call Palm Services, there should be some way to make calls to the com.palm.mediad service to do that sort of thing, somehow or other Dec 19 11:18:29 yes, it seems there's a way Dec 19 11:18:52 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/pdk/pdl/pdl-service-call-with-callback.html Dec 19 11:20:11 neat! Unfortunately, it would probably require going through a crap ton of the Javascript in Enyo to be able to figure out how to actually get there Dec 19 11:20:59 that does make me wonder if it -might- be possible to use that interface for audio, though Dec 19 11:22:17 looks like investigating enyo\1.0\framework\lib\mediacapture\* as well as the Camera app could possibly lead someone there Dec 19 11:22:58 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=11796 Dec 19 11:23:03 does not sound good Dec 19 11:23:47 when WebOS goes opensource - is there a way to get this into the libs? Dec 19 11:24:03 that's really a different topic Dec 19 11:24:40 he was trying to launch the camera app, but it sounds like you want to use the camera itself Dec 19 11:24:56 yes Dec 19 11:25:13 where are the services described? Dec 19 11:25:25 which unfortunately, i don't believe anyone has documented how to access it, except via a web app Dec 19 11:25:41 is there an example? Dec 19 11:28:11 hmm Dec 19 11:55:01 good luck KungPhoo Dec 19 11:58:15 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=6003&p=71845&hilit=camera#p71845 Dec 19 11:58:27 I don't think it will get approvedt hen :/ Dec 19 11:59:06 I found you can call enyo calls from a hybrid app, but not directly from a PDK app. It seems polling a service is not enough for taking a picture Dec 19 11:59:07 ? Dec 19 12:00:03 doesn't it ship the gstreamer camerabin element? Dec 19 12:26:16 afternoon Dec 19 12:31:22 directhex what do you mean? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 19 12:51:54 2011 Dec 19 14:37:18 howdy Dec 19 14:40:30 hey Dec 19 14:44:03 hi Dec 19 15:34:30 figured out how to read local files without trouble, now to figure out how to write them :) Dec 19 15:36:13 node.js? Dec 19 15:37:18 on chrome: enyo.xhr.request({url: path, sync: true}).responseText Dec 19 15:37:52 on device: palmGetResource(path, type) Dec 19 15:51:31 anyone know what build of webkit is 3.0.4 using? Dec 19 16:16:58 question Dec 19 16:17:51 i have a popup that contains an input newProjectTitle - why cant i reference it from this.$.newProjectTitle in a subsequent method? Dec 19 16:27:25 can you show some code? Dec 19 16:28:15 {name: "newProjectPopup", kind: "Popup", components: [ Dec 19 16:28:15 {kind: "Input", name: "newProjectTitle", flex: 1, hint: "Project Name", selectAllOnFocus: true}]} Dec 19 16:29:37 i can reference this.$.newProjectPopup in said method Dec 19 16:30:43 where the method is just a normal one, on the obj literal passed into enyo.kind() Dec 19 16:32:06 ive never seen any example code where Inputs have name attr set - the palm doc examples really suck Dec 19 16:37:19 ah ha Dec 19 16:37:32 was just a case of the popup disappearing too early Dec 19 16:52:02 so, maybe this is a stupid question Dec 19 16:52:14 can I have a veer and a pre2 associated with the same webOS account? Dec 19 16:53:23 i don't think so? Dec 19 16:54:47 that's... annoying Dec 19 16:55:27 swisstomcat: are you sure? wasn't that one of the reasons for the whole db8 thing? Dec 19 16:55:29 is there a way to pull one off the webOS account temporarily, but still keep it active? Dec 19 16:55:35 this... this is weird. I don;t know if I like it. Dec 19 16:55:54 halfhalo: what is? Dec 19 16:56:02 having free time Dec 19 16:56:17 halfhalo: implement stuff, make WebOS better, STOP BEING FREE! Dec 19 16:56:18 wow that seems like it would be a big shortcoming: 1 device per account Dec 19 16:56:41 1 phone per account. many touchpads though Dec 19 16:56:59 ahh ok Dec 19 16:57:00 halfhalo: redonculous, but it could be true Dec 19 16:57:09 and I think I'm going to go take a nap. because I can. muahahahaha Dec 19 16:57:15 wewt, gnite Dec 19 16:58:00 oh, wait, I do have something to do. damitall. Dec 19 16:58:41 I need to beat node into submission to make 0.6.x build for arm. Dec 19 16:59:51 I can build 0.5.5 and down + all modules for it easily, but not 0.6 yets Dec 19 17:00:42 I have 1 phone and 1 touchpad with the same account Dec 19 17:08:13 * halfhalo has one phone and 3 touchpads on one account Dec 19 17:12:05 halfhalo, wterm!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 19 17:12:21 OMGMAYBE!!!!! Dec 19 17:12:49 Although that assumes I have git on this computer. hmmmm.... Dec 19 17:12:51 * halfhalo goes to check Dec 19 17:34:35 well?? dont leave us hanging!! Dec 19 17:34:37 lol Dec 19 17:59:19 * zephjc dies Dec 19 18:04:11 * singmajesty weeps Dec 19 18:47:09 hey everyone, does someone know why I cant resolve local ips / dns from the touchpad browser? Dec 19 18:48:51 what's it doing, not found, or sending you to a search page? Dec 19 18:49:18 for local server names it sends me to a search page but for straight IP adresses its giving me page not found Dec 19 18:49:36 are you in device or emulator? Dec 19 18:49:42 on a device Dec 19 18:49:46 are you just putting in "hostname" Dec 19 18:49:50 or "http://hostname" Dec 19 18:49:53 both Dec 19 18:50:15 I don't know then. I hit my local hadoop cluster over local and VPN and it's fine Dec 19 18:50:24 http:// says "unable to resolve host" Dec 19 18:50:37 then it sounds like your DNS configuration is wrong Dec 19 18:50:47 not the browser Dec 19 18:51:06 its based in my router and it works fine on every other device I have here Dec 19 18:51:18 can you 'getent hosts foo' on the command line? Dec 19 18:51:40 from the touchpad? Dec 19 18:51:44 yes Dec 19 18:51:51 how do I bring up the command line? Dec 19 18:52:09 novacom, xterm, ssh, etc. Dec 19 18:52:21 ah yah Dec 19 18:52:22 yeah, how DO you ssh to your device? Dec 19 18:52:33 i.e. user/pass? Dec 19 18:52:35 I dont, I just use the web browser on the device Dec 19 18:52:49 just a testing device so I dont do any native developmenty Dec 19 18:52:59 zephjc: see the wiki article... Application:OpenSSH Dec 19 18:53:00 <_null> my biggest issue is lack of documentation :-\ Dec 19 18:53:11 <_null> for enyo at least Dec 19 18:53:19 yeah >_< Dec 19 18:53:29 im just grepping thru the js files themselves Dec 19 18:53:41 <_null> tis the best way to do it Dec 19 18:53:55 <_null> its not too deep Dec 19 18:54:01 <_null> you can knock it out in a day if you keep at it Dec 19 18:54:04 <_null> but still.. Dec 19 18:54:14 <_null> it makes a barrier for most developers Dec 19 18:54:14 or, if you install internalz, you can take a look at /tmp/resolv.conf and /tmp/resolv.conf.default Dec 19 18:56:52 dwc-: thanks ill take a look Dec 19 19:00:03 THATS what Enyo needs, some really good, comprehensive docs Dec 19 19:05:41 zephjc: If you have the SDK installed, run "pdk-device-install install" from a command-line Dec 19 19:06:00 Then you can run "novaterm" (Mac/Linux) to access the device over SSH Dec 19 19:06:12 Or "novacom -t open tty://" or PuTTy to access in Windows Dec 19 19:09:20 nice Dec 19 19:10:45 oh wordpress... :/ Dec 19 19:26:24 anyone want to try out my new touchpad app? - https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.akanster.bounce Dec 19 19:28:31 what's dribble? heh Dec 19 19:28:44 oh. *goes to website and sees* Dec 19 19:28:51 showcase website for designers Dec 19 19:29:59 there are some pretty prominent users there... the last NewTwitter redesign was teased on there before going public Dec 19 19:49:40 why does the appdirect site show landscape layout pix rotated to portrait? Dec 19 20:02:33 zephjc: Not sure. Dec 19 20:03:46 can users post comments to dribble? Dec 19 20:04:31 *in bounce, /to/ dribble Dec 19 20:07:41 cant yet Dec 19 20:07:50 API is read only Dec 19 20:07:54 ah poop Dec 19 20:08:31 also dribbble is 3 b's :) Dec 19 20:08:48 oh heh Dec 19 20:08:57 want a promo code? Dec 19 20:09:04 i dont have a webOS device Dec 19 20:09:06 ty tho Dec 19 20:09:17 (just the emulator) Dec 19 20:09:21 ah Dec 19 20:56:12 If I submit an update to my app tonight do you think it'll be reviewed before the holiday vacation? Dec 19 21:07:47 worth a shot! Dec 19 21:15:26 just gotta bug adora a bunch Dec 19 21:16:01 we aren't closing shop until wednesday, you'll be fine Dec 19 21:16:28 there's your answer :) Dec 19 21:16:30 i hear funny picture make her work harder, too Dec 19 21:16:53 wow, you get thursday and friday off? we only get a half day on friday Dec 19 21:17:04 ... glad im taking we thru new years off :) Dec 19 21:17:14 wow, you get a half a day on friday? ill be at work all friday Dec 19 21:18:42 hehe Dec 19 21:19:09 s/we/wednesday Dec 19 21:20:57 Thanks Adora! Dec 19 21:44:43 * EricBlade cheers for Adora Dec 19 21:49:59 she left Dec 19 21:52:37 I can't find any information on how to manually set which value is "selected" in a RadioGroup. Anyone know? Dec 19 21:55:31 Enyo? Dec 19 21:55:36 Yup Dec 19 21:57:10 set the value Dec 19 21:57:36 I've tried that with: this.$.packGroup.value = "game"; Dec 19 21:57:58 where packGroup is the name of my RadioGroup and game is the value of the button I want selected Dec 19 21:58:11 oh, you are trying to set it programmatically? Dec 19 21:58:24 It sets the value correctly but nothing is visual that it's set Dec 19 21:58:38 Yes, I basically want to have a default value selected whenever this pane is loaded Dec 19 22:03:55 haven't tried that :( Dec 19 22:04:50 Thanks anyways. I'll play around with it. Dec 19 22:05:01 setValue? Dec 19 22:05:07 no Dec 19 22:05:10 scratch that Dec 19 22:05:40 .render() ? Dec 19 22:06:08 have you checked then enyo docs? Dec 19 22:06:16 the "docs" Dec 19 22:06:42 zephjc: after setting the value correctly and doing .render(), the button is still not *selected* Dec 19 22:07:00 swisstomcat: Yes. I've combed through everything about RadioGroups and nothing is in there on how to manually set which one is selected. Dec 19 22:07:34 in html, isn't it selected? Dec 19 22:08:03 dwc-: hmm? Dec 19 22:08:24 nope, I'm wrong, thinking of something else Dec 19 22:09:34 http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/prop_radio_checked.asp Dec 19 22:09:57 but these are enyo contols Dec 19 22:10:04 correct Dec 19 22:10:04 controls* Dec 19 22:10:16 yeha, not really radio buttons Dec 19 22:10:31 don't use w3schools.com .. please Dec 19 22:10:37 mdn is much better Dec 19 22:10:42 lol Dec 19 22:10:56 * dwc- doesn't html Dec 19 22:11:00 * dwc- just googles when he needs stuff Dec 19 22:11:01 +1 swisstomcat Dec 19 22:11:05 w3schools is mostly accurate, but has some subtle problems Dec 19 22:11:15 twbbas: value should work Dec 19 22:11:24 did you try setValue? Dec 19 22:11:33 twbbas: i think I found a two line fix for that once. didn't end up using it tho. let me look again Dec 19 22:11:41 also check the StyleMatters App Dec 19 22:12:39 aha! Dec 19 22:12:41 twbbas: this.$.Button.disabled = false; this.$.Button.setState("disabled", false); Dec 19 22:12:43 this.$.packGroup.setValue("game"); works Dec 19 22:12:53 swisstomcat: Thanks! Dec 19 22:12:55 np Dec 19 22:13:09 akanster: .setValue(value) seems easier ;). Thanks for the help! Dec 19 22:13:12 all properties/attributes should have a getter and setter (get/set) Dec 19 22:13:29 * akanster saves for later Dec 19 22:13:41 they also should have consistent names Dec 19 22:14:11 content and caption are two off the top of my head Dec 19 22:14:44 zephjc: I mix those up constantly Dec 19 22:26:47 wow my touchpad says it's paired simultaneously to my Pre 2, my keyboard, and my headset... Dec 19 22:26:56 lol Dec 19 22:27:16 last time i tried i couldnt get more than 2, and never a headset and a phone at the same time Dec 19 22:28:36 Does that allow you to answer calls on your headset from your Pre 2 via your TouchPad? Dec 19 22:29:43 thinking its unlikely, i dont think that this is actually connected to all Dec 19 22:47:07 hmm. my pre2 seems to have permanent fingerprints in it Dec 19 22:48:49 fingerprints on the reverse side? Dec 19 22:48:56 on the front Dec 19 22:49:13 looks like the phone link to the touchpad is not on, i'm not able to make calls or receive sms Dec 19 22:57:07 hmm tiny bit of windex, and back to new Dec 19 22:57:15 huzzah! Dec 19 23:14:53 yaeh both the phone and the touchpad were reporting that they were connected while i had the earpiece on, but then i actually opened up the bluetooth menu on the phone, and it said "Bluetooth: Off" .. lol Dec 19 23:22:56 O_o Dec 19 23:34:00 omfg i've been doing eardrops for the last week or so, to take care of an ear infection .. omfg the liquid running out of the ears is like the most disgusting thing i've ever felt Dec 19 23:35:14 lol Dec 19 23:36:43 I think we share too much :) Dec 19 23:37:04 its cold Dec 19 23:43:01 you should try the whole neti pot thing too Dec 19 23:43:06 that way you can have liquid running out of more things Dec 19 23:43:12 thats for the nose tho, not ears hehe Dec 19 23:43:16 oh hah Dec 19 23:43:21 make sure you document all your feelings Dec 19 23:43:34 ive been too chicken to try those Dec 19 23:43:50 it could be tangentially useful, I hear Dec 19 23:43:53 ears, sinus, nose, etc Dec 19 23:44:08 clear the sinuses so the ears can drain, something like that Dec 19 23:44:27 perhaps Dec 19 23:45:34 I heard that people in LA died because of brain eating bacteria, because of using Neti pots Dec 19 23:46:25 Ah, LA -- Louisiana Dec 19 23:46:26 http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/InfectionControl/30283 Dec 19 23:47:32 shouldnt use pond water Dec 19 23:47:46 but pond water is the best! Dec 19 23:47:54 lol Dec 19 23:50:42 im bored Dec 19 23:51:00 oilsworkn, http://ompldr.org/vYnRwZw Dec 19 23:51:49 that is nice Dec 19 23:52:16 whats add do, a popup? Dec 19 23:52:53 * Tibfib bets it is text box Dec 19 23:54:32 well, at least 2 textboxes Dec 19 23:54:50 in the mojo version it pushed a scene with 2 text boxes and some directions/examples of aliasing Dec 19 23:55:22 * oilsworkn adds logo to wirc Dec 19 23:55:29 lol Dec 19 23:55:29 * Tibfib removes logo from wirc Dec 19 23:55:37 build a bot w/logo Dec 19 23:58:16 oilsworkn, well right now wi.inputList jusst adds a row Dec 19 23:58:23 but im gonna add a callback like thing Dec 19 23:58:32 so if the callback is defined it does some other action Dec 19 23:58:36 like spawn a popup Dec 19 23:59:51 so once i get thee callback working I will add the dialog from mojo Dec 20 00:04:40 * akanster is cleaning out a box of Sees candy Dec 20 00:04:47 mmmm Dec 20 00:08:26 * Tibfib should be doing an english project Dec 20 00:11:55 uh oh, FINALS!!11 Dec 20 00:17:03 yesterday, a guy showed me his brand new ICS phone. he wouldn't let me touch it though. Dec 20 00:17:19 the facial-recognition to unlock was pretty neat though Dec 20 00:18:06 ICS? Dec 20 00:18:14 ice cream sammich Dec 20 00:18:55