**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 20 02:59:57 2011
Dec 20 03:02:06 <EricBlade> i need like a 40 port usb hub
Dec 20 03:02:13 <PatrickC> lol
Dec 20 03:02:43 <EricBlade> until i had 10 usb ports on my machine, i could think of absolutely no reason whatsoever to actually use 10 usb ports.
Dec 20 03:02:44 <EricBlade> now i need more
Dec 20 03:02:49 <Tibfib> Find my iPhone is pretty amazing
Dec 20 03:02:59 <Tibfib> I can locate my mac and my phone at any time
Dec 20 03:03:59 <zephjc> "criminals could steal your phone or tablet" "ha ha! fooled you, criminals - i dont even /go/ anywhere!"
Dec 20 03:04:56 <EricBlade> course at that time, i was adding the 5th usb port to support having my new then ipod to the computer.  and i had all those extra ports, so i wired 'em
Dec 20 03:06:59 <PatrickC> EricBlade, you can always use more USB ports
Dec 20 03:07:07 <EricBlade> yeah especially as a mobile developer
Dec 20 03:07:25 <EricBlade> i'm going to be adding an iPad to this mix in a couple weeks too .. ugh
Dec 20 03:07:28 <PatrickC> yep
Dec 20 03:07:47 <PatrickC> i find when doing development on https://github.com/minego/phnx i can always use more USB devices lol. i need chargers too! :P
Dec 20 03:08:09 <EricBlade> the sad thing is, for each of these palm things, i have both a usb charging cord (to it's touchstone) and a usb data cord
Dec 20 03:08:28 <akanster> I thought phnx was abandoned?
Dec 20 03:09:07 <EricBlade> where the hell are my extra touchpad screen prots
Dec 20 03:09:33 <PatrickC> akanster, nope
Dec 20 03:09:42 <PatrickC> and Project Macaw is breathing new life to it as well
Dec 20 03:09:47 <PatrickC> im one of the lead devs on it
Dec 20 03:09:55 <PatrickC> there is 4 of us. community project
Dec 20 03:10:39 <akanster> well thats interesting.
Dec 20 03:10:43 * akanster watches repo
Dec 20 03:12:01 <PatrickC> akanster, u can also add our preware feed too :) http://minego.net/phnx
Dec 20 03:12:24 <haeffb> what is up, #webos!?!?!?
Dec 20 03:12:46 <akanster> PatrickC: Macaw is a TouchPad version of phnx?
Dec 20 03:12:55 <PatrickC> and a new phone version
Dec 20 03:13:04 <PatrickC> my main job on the team is to keep everything phone friendly
Dec 20 03:13:11 <akanster> Enyo?
Dec 20 03:13:12 <sugardave> haeffb: let's get this party started!
Dec 20 03:13:15 <PatrickC> nope
Dec 20 03:13:17 <PatrickC> still mojo
Dec 20 03:13:22 <PatrickC> its built off of the phnx source
Dec 20 03:13:58 <summatusmentis> sugardave: party? are you gonna tell us what youre app is?
Dec 20 03:14:06 <PatrickC> direct link http://minego.net/phnx/net.minego.phnx_1.2.17_all.ipk
Dec 20 03:14:11 <sugardave> when I can :)
Dec 20 03:14:24 <sugardave> technically, it's not "my" app
Dec 20 03:14:31 <PatrickC> sugardave, u always "can" :)
Dec 20 03:14:31 <summatusmentis> guuuuuh
Dec 20 03:14:33 <Tibfib> OMG IT'S NETFLIX
Dec 20 03:14:46 <PatrickC> WOOOOOP!!!
Dec 20 03:14:47 <Tibfib> BREAKSCLUSIVE
Dec 20 03:15:02 <summatusmentis> sugardave: that's ok, I don't even want to know anymore. I'm not gonna care when you announce it
Dec 20 03:15:04 <zephjc> orly?
Dec 20 03:15:11 <summatusmentis> >_>
Dec 20 03:15:15 <sugardave> summatusmentis: you will care
Dec 20 03:15:21 <sugardave> mebbe
Dec 20 03:15:21 <PatrickC> webOSroundup now has the exclusive interview with sugardave on the subject! :)
Dec 20 03:15:30 <Tibfib> ...
Dec 20 03:15:43 <summatusmentis> sugardave: I lie, tell me!
Dec 20 03:15:44 <EricBlade> sugardave: we only want it until it's released
Dec 20 03:15:53 <PatrickC> lol
Dec 20 03:16:00 <sugardave> heh
Dec 20 03:16:17 <akanster> webOSroundup? I removed that from my feeds a while back
Dec 20 03:16:24 * PatrickC wonders what happened to webOS Synergy.....
Dec 20 03:16:37 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: what do you mean "what happened"
Dec 20 03:16:38 <PatrickC> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/11/what-is-webos-synergy/
Dec 20 03:16:40 <summatusmentis> it still exists
Dec 20 03:16:47 <PatrickC> ive not seen many tweets from it
Dec 20 03:16:48 <Tibfib> IT'S SYNERGY
Dec 20 03:16:54 <summatusmentis> it's a thing
Dec 20 03:17:01 <summatusmentis> oh, you mean the twitter portion of it
Dec 20 03:17:06 <PatrickC> yeah
Dec 20 03:17:19 <Tibfib> well, back to 24.
Dec 20 03:17:22 <Tibfib> twas a nice chat
Dec 20 03:17:25 <PatrickC> cya
Dec 20 03:17:27 <EricBlade> sugardave: if it's "Words with Friends", I'll give you $10.
Dec 20 03:17:46 <sugardave> how about $0.01 per tile?
Dec 20 03:17:47 <akanster> Tibfib: What season?
Dec 20 03:17:48 <summatusmentis> omg, I really hope it's not
Dec 20 03:17:57 <summatusmentis> I don't need another time distraction
Dec 20 03:18:00 <sugardave> haha
Dec 20 03:18:17 <Tibfib> 6
Dec 20 03:18:18 <EricBlade> hmm.  1c per drawn tile? yikes.
Dec 20 03:18:28 <sugardave> hey, programming is hard
Dec 20 03:18:35 <zephjc> so what is this?
Dec 20 03:18:35 <Tibfib> sugardave: WWF could make me use my pre3 as a daily driver
Dec 20 03:18:43 <Tibfib> akanster: ^6
Dec 20 03:18:47 <akanster> AH
Dec 20 03:18:48 <EricBlade> programming is easy. gaining the knowledge and experience to put it to good use, is hard.
Dec 20 03:19:08 <PatrickC> ^^
Dec 20 03:19:09 <Tibfib> I don't know what to believe anymore
Dec 20 03:19:10 <zephjc> WWF? Shut up and take my money!
Dec 20 03:19:12 <akanster> Tibfib: I just finished 1 the other day.  Season 2 begins tonight!
Dec 20 03:19:14 <sugardave> oooo, sneaky
Dec 20 03:19:15 <PatrickC> im still working on that last part EricBlade :)
Dec 20 03:19:21 <Tibfib> akanster: nice, first time watching it?
Dec 20 03:19:25 <EricBlade> PatrickC: it takes a lifetime.
Dec 20 03:19:35 <fxspec06> i saw season 1 wayyyyyyyyy back when
Dec 20 03:19:40 <fxspec06> as well as season 2
Dec 20 03:19:43 <fxspec06> and season 3, and 4
Dec 20 03:19:51 <akanster> Tibfib: yup.  I got into 24 in season 6 or 7.  Playing catchup now
Dec 20 03:19:59 <Tibfib> nince
Dec 20 03:20:00 <summatusmentis> sugardave: can you tell us when you can tell us?
Dec 20 03:20:02 <Tibfib> *nice
Dec 20 03:20:07 <fxspec06> i think i kinda slacked after 3&4
Dec 20 03:20:20 <sugardave> summatusmentis: hmmmm
Dec 20 03:20:22 <EricBlade> summatusmentis: not till tuesday
Dec 20 03:20:31 <Tibfib> I didn't love season 1… but that may have been because I accidentally watched the 22nd episode.
Dec 20 03:20:40 <Tibfib> instead of the 1st
Dec 20 03:20:59 <fxspec06> season 1 was legendary
Dec 20 03:21:11 <Tibfib> I wish I could have experienced that.
Dec 20 03:21:14 <sugardave> summatusmentis: 90% it will be before the end of the week, how's that?
Dec 20 03:21:36 <summatusmentis> sugardave: I guess that'll have to do
Dec 20 03:21:37 * EricBlade notes that Keifer Sutherland is not nearly big enough of a badass to be in the Expendables series.  Maybe when they get to the fifth or sixth one.
Dec 20 03:21:59 <summatusmentis> sugardave: is it associated with your employer? or something you're working on with someone else on the side?
Dec 20 03:22:11 <akanster> the only thing I could think while watching season one was. "SOMEONE PLEASE SHOOT THIS KIM BITCH! NOW!"
Dec 20 03:22:38 <sugardave> summatusmentis: it's official work
Dec 20 03:22:52 <sugardave> I don't get to do "on the side" anymore :)
Dec 20 03:22:54 <Tibfib> Chuck Norris shudders at Jack Bauer's name.
Dec 20 03:23:04 <EricBlade> Tibfib: that's laughter
Dec 20 03:23:11 <Tibfib> SHUDDERS
Dec 20 03:23:15 <Tibfib> twitches
Dec 20 03:23:20 <summatusmentis> lesse, so: 1) from HP 2) "you'll care, mebbe" 3) probably by the end of the week
Dec 20 03:23:31 <summatusmentis> sugardave: I'm intriguted
Dec 20 03:23:33 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: time to tweet
Dec 20 03:23:52 <Tibfib> "CONFIRMED BY @SUGAR_DAVE: HP IS RELEASING NETFLIX FOR WEBOS ON CHRISTMAS DAY"
Dec 20 03:24:01 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: +1
Dec 20 03:24:13 <sugardave> you know I can find otu what y'all's dev accounts are, right?
Dec 20 03:24:22 <summatusmentis> because it's so hard
Dec 20 03:24:30 <sugardave> but I know people
Dec 20 03:24:34 * EricBlade gives it 20 minutes before that actually hits twitter Tibfib
Dec 20 03:24:39 <fxspec06> that would probably
Dec 20 03:24:41 <fxspec06> make my life
Dec 20 03:24:43 <akanster> sugardave: a text file on the server?
Dec 20 03:24:53 <summatusmentis> sugardave: I mean, I don't do any real dev
Dec 20 03:24:59 <summatusmentis> I just like to pretend I'm a developer
Dec 20 03:25:08 <sugardave> fine, just remember if they fire me, it's on your heads
Dec 20 03:25:14 <akanster> oh no!
Dec 20 03:25:16 <summatusmentis> I don't have enough time to do anything for real
Dec 20 03:25:19 <fxspec06> oh no!
Dec 20 03:25:38 <summatusmentis> whatever, we'll just say @megwhitman backed us up
Dec 20 03:25:42 <summatusmentis> they can't fire her too
Dec 20 03:25:42 <akanster> (1 more then oh yeah)
Dec 20 03:25:45 <rrix> oh no!
Dec 20 03:26:51 <fxspec06> ah crap i tried to sign in as kool aid man and go "oh yeah"
Dec 20 03:27:04 <fxspec06> but alas my cover has been blown
Dec 20 03:30:03 <summatusmentis> sugardave: is it Google Music? because I'll love you forever if it is
Dec 20 03:30:38 <sugardave> I didn't even know that existed :/
Dec 20 03:30:46 <sugardave> so, no that's not it
Dec 20 03:30:53 <summatusmentis> b'awww
Dec 20 03:31:00 <summatusmentis> I really want a Google Music app for webOS
Dec 20 03:31:08 <summatusmentis> work on that next plz?
Dec 20 03:31:36 <EricBlade>  yeah i'm gonna need to get a usb camera, a usb headset, at least one more x360 controller and a iPad connected to this computer. ugh.
Dec 20 03:34:00 <Compn> http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/289008-lets-get-prey-webos.html
Dec 20 03:34:02 <Compn> there is that thread
Dec 20 03:35:10 <zephjc> focking cables
Dec 20 03:37:43 <Compn> http://palmpre-hacks.com/palm-pre-hacks/how-to-set-up-google-gps-tracking-on-your-palm-pre/
Dec 20 03:37:51 <Compn> close, but no gps on touchpad
Dec 20 03:38:32 <summatusmentis> sugardave: OMG IS IT SIRI FOR WEBOS?
Dec 20 03:43:47 <fxspec06> siri for webos would just be the most greatest thing ever
Dec 20 03:44:07 <fxspec06> with the exception of new webos devices
Dec 20 03:44:31 <summatusmentis> that's not happening
Dec 20 03:44:36 <summatusmentis> and sugardave doesn't get to control it
Dec 20 03:45:15 <Compn> no
Dec 20 03:45:26 <Compn> siri with gladdos voice would be greatest thing ever
Dec 20 03:45:51 <fxspec06> you're making me want to play portal
Dec 20 03:45:52 <Compn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTg00wIijNY
Dec 20 03:46:08 <haeffb> sugardave: !!!!
Dec 20 03:46:26 <haeffb> (sorry, had to go wash dishes)
Dec 20 03:46:48 <summatusmentis> haeffb: do you know what he's making?
Dec 20 03:48:23 <summatusmentis> hrm, there are certified Simple Mobile retailers near the U
Dec 20 03:48:49 <summatusmentis> I should go get a sim card tomorrow
Dec 20 03:49:06 <PatrickC> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/12/2-2-4-doctor-released-for-pre-3-update-lost-in-cyberspace/
Dec 20 03:52:31 <bnceo`> I so want to believe netflix comes out on xmas. haha @ sugardave
Dec 20 03:55:26 <zephjc> good luck lol
Dec 20 04:00:36 <Tibfib> so jack bauer just took out like  6 terrorists with a single clip.
Dec 20 04:00:40 <Tibfib> and hung a man
Dec 20 04:00:42 <Tibfib> nbd
Dec 20 04:01:09 <dwc-> a single clip?
Dec 20 04:01:24 <dwc-> even with CA street-legal clips, that's like 2x what he should have taken...
Dec 20 04:03:31 <fxspec06> he's jack bauer
Dec 20 04:03:47 <Tibfib> lawlz
Dec 20 04:03:49 <Tibfib> and a snow day tomorrow
Dec 20 04:03:53 <Tibfib> hello more 24
Dec 20 04:04:00 <summatusmentis> snow day?!?
Dec 20 04:04:02 <summatusmentis> where are you?
Dec 20 04:04:03 <haeffb> no I do not
Dec 20 04:04:03 * fxspec06 has no school until january
Dec 20 04:04:13 <fxspec06> january 16th to be precise
Dec 20 04:04:16 <wrea> I need to get the seasons of 24
Dec 20 04:04:24 * haeffb watching Davidson take Kansas to the wire
Dec 20 04:04:56 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: kansasasas
Dec 20 04:05:02 <Tibfib> wrea: free with amazon prime
Dec 20 04:05:24 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: man, we don't have snow in MN
Dec 20 04:05:28 <summatusmentis> and you get snow days
Dec 20 04:05:43 <Tibfib> it's pretty bad out there actually
Dec 20 04:06:03 * PatrickC has never gotten a snow day in his life. hes homeschooled
Dec 20 04:06:04 <fxspec06> meh. back in my day we'd stay in school til july 31st because of snow days
Dec 20 04:06:10 <Tibfib> PatrickC: sucks to suck
Dec 20 04:06:17 <fxspec06> they even took days off our april vacation one year
Dec 20 04:06:27 <dwc-> I never had a snow day... I grew up in temperate climates
Dec 20 04:06:28 <Tibfib> PatrickC: although in the end, you probably win
Dec 20 04:06:35 <wrea> same here
Dec 20 04:06:39 <Tibfib> snow days are the best. We had a ton last year.
Dec 20 04:06:39 <PatrickC> i have more time to code :)
Dec 20 04:06:47 <fxspec06> half days are better than snow days
Dec 20 04:06:47 <Tibfib> they had to add minutes
Dec 20 04:06:51 <Tibfib> no no no no
Dec 20 04:06:54 <fxspec06> because you get out early, and you don't have to make them up
Dec 20 04:06:55 <fxspec06> :D
Dec 20 04:07:00 <summatusmentis> I've honestly never had a snow day
Dec 20 04:07:08 <Tibfib> shmeh we have days built into the schedule
Dec 20 04:07:09 <fxspec06> and half days screw up ALL classes
Dec 20 04:07:10 <summatusmentis> (since HS, I guess, technically)
Dec 20 04:07:11 <Tibfib> 1-3 or something
Dec 20 04:07:39 <fxspec06> ya and if they aren't used, you get like an extra 'teachers day'
Dec 20 04:08:03 <haeffb> only rain here
Dec 20 04:08:11 * PatrickC cant wait to get back from FL after Christmas
Dec 20 04:08:25 <summatusmentis> I keep reading this and being like "what is this, high school?"
Dec 20 04:08:36 <summatusmentis> and then I realize, that yes, it actually is
Dec 20 04:08:56 <fxspec06> high school is a serious thing
Dec 20 04:09:03 <summatusmentis> oh, I don't disagree
Dec 20 04:09:06 <summatusmentis> stay in school kids
Dec 20 04:09:22 <fxspec06> if you do, you can be like tibfib
Dec 20 04:09:31 <summatusmentis> my university didn't build in snow days, or have 'teachers days'
Dec 20 04:09:37 <fxspec06> and watch 24 all day long
Dec 20 04:09:39 <summatusmentis> that's all I meant
Dec 20 04:10:11 <fxspec06> yeah, universities don't care
Dec 20 04:10:14 <fxspec06> class goes on
Dec 20 04:10:33 <fxspec06> if there's no class, oh well. better know the stuff anyways
Dec 20 04:11:44 <Tibfib> lawlz. sucks to be in the real world
Dec 20 04:12:02 <dwc-> sounds like the real world
Dec 20 04:12:04 <halfhalo> real world lets me sleep at work
Dec 20 04:12:15 <dwc-> deadlines at work didn't go away when NYC got snowed
Dec 20 04:12:36 <dwc-> even though people got excused from going in
Dec 20 04:13:09 <halfhalo> my campus doesn't have snow days
Dec 20 04:13:19 <halfhalo> bomb/gun threat days? yes.  but not snow days
Dec 20 04:13:51 <fxspec06> my college actually had two in a row in november
Dec 20 04:13:56 <fxspec06> due to a foot of snow
Dec 20 04:13:58 <dwc-> I thought that was University of VA
Dec 20 04:14:36 <summatusmentis> VA Tech, actually
Dec 20 04:14:47 <summatusmentis> (iirc)
Dec 20 04:18:58 <twbbas> My high school had 3 bomb threats in 1 week :\
Dec 20 04:19:03 <Tibfib> yikes!
Dec 20 04:19:05 <twbbas> only time we had a bomb threat in my 4 years
Dec 20 04:19:33 <summatusmentis> how many of them did you start?
Dec 20 04:19:42 <Tibfib> we were in lockdown the other day because the cops were investigating "suspicious" activity in a nearby house
Dec 20 04:19:48 <twbbas> summatusmentis: lol, none
Dec 20 04:20:02 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: were they shooting a porno there?
Dec 20 04:20:12 <twbbas> rofl what
Dec 20 04:20:23 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: almost
Dec 20 04:20:30 <twbbas> O.o
Dec 20 04:20:34 <Tibfib> twas a murder. but samet hing
Dec 20 04:20:39 <summatusmentis> I mean, isn't that what "cops" "investigating" "suspicious activity" means?
Dec 20 04:21:33 <summatusmentis> I had a friend who, after graduating, found out that a prostitution ring had been being run out of a house that was across the street from his HS
Dec 20 04:21:50 <twbbas> :o
Dec 20 04:22:21 <summatusmentis> these things do happen
Dec 20 04:22:36 <twbbas> crap, flash just crashed. Won't fix itself until I restart. brb
Dec 20 04:26:07 <PatrickC> https://gist.github.com/1500240 O_o
Dec 20 04:26:24 <twbbas> Well, I'm back
Dec 20 04:26:45 <summatusmentis> and then twbbas stole ALL my cookies
Dec 20 04:26:50 <PatrickC> twbbas, https://gist.github.com/1500240
Dec 20 04:26:56 <summatusmentis> so that's why I don't talk to him anymore
Dec 20 04:27:00 <twbbas> lolllll
Dec 20 04:27:26 <twbbas> PatrickC: What's that?
Dec 20 04:27:41 <PatrickC> looks like how to enable BT MAP :D
Dec 20 04:27:45 <twbbas> cool, cool
Dec 20 04:27:51 <Tibfib> haeffb: haha. ku lost
Dec 20 04:28:19 <haeffb> Tibfib: I agree.
Dec 20 04:28:32 <summatusmentis> I really want to be able to run webOS on my mac, when it's OSed
Dec 20 04:28:45 <summatusmentis> to be able to deal with sms notifications on my computer would be baller
Dec 20 04:28:52 <twbbas> ^
Dec 20 04:28:54 <summatusmentis> and I don't use the phrase "baller" lightly
Dec 20 04:29:10 <twbbas> nor should you
Dec 20 04:29:51 <PatrickC> https://gist.github.com/1500246
Dec 20 04:30:05 <Tibfib> haeffb: and ksu beat bama. and I have no school tomorrow
Dec 20 04:30:13 <Tibfib> life is good
Dec 20 04:30:39 <haeffb> it's also short. Enjoy every day.
Dec 20 04:31:12 <summatusmentis> guh
Dec 20 04:31:36 <Tibfib> well said
Dec 20 04:31:59 <PatrickC> https://gist.github.com/1500253
Dec 20 04:32:59 <dwc-> thx Tibfib, forgot 49ers-steelers is on now
Dec 20 04:34:12 <Tibfib> you're welcome …
Dec 20 04:34:24 <Tibfib> I enjoy being thanked for things I don't deserve
Dec 20 04:34:26 <Tibfib> makes my head big
Dec 20 04:37:00 <dwc-> sun came up today, thanks tibfib
Dec 20 04:37:18 <dwc-> ;)
Dec 20 04:37:55 * EricBlade just spent 2 hrs looking for this giant envelope labeled "SCREEN PROTECTORS" .. that was hiding under a single sheet of paper.  sigh
Dec 20 04:39:15 <hewball> EricBlade: done that before unfortunatly
Dec 20 04:41:43 <Tibfib> dwc-: you're welcome
Dec 20 04:48:08 <matiasb> hello, I'm having problems with xecutah 0.9.3
Dec 20 04:48:16 <Compn> is there a video podcast app by chance ?
Dec 20 04:48:23 <Compn> matiasb : whats wrong ?
Dec 20 04:49:33 <matiasb> well, I see everywhere about some xecutah option that says "start xserver"
Dec 20 04:49:53 <matiasb> but I only see "start xterm"
Dec 20 04:50:28 <matiasb> and when I use that option both server and xterm are executed but no keyboard appears
Dec 20 04:52:04 <dwc-> start xserver was removed, iirc
Dec 20 04:52:15 <dwc-> you used to launch the xserver separate from the x apps
Dec 20 04:52:47 <summatusmentis> yeah
Dec 20 04:52:53 <matiasb> this is my first time with webos, I haven't tested older versions
Dec 20 04:53:36 <matiasb> but the keyboard doesn't shows up
Dec 20 04:54:16 <summatusmentis> hrm, that's odd
Dec 20 04:54:25 <matiasb> I have reader about the tweaks app and it lets me change the Kb size but it doesn't show
Dec 20 04:54:26 <summatusmentis> it's been a while since I've used xterm on the TP without my bt keyboard
Dec 20 04:54:47 <summatusmentis> is the KB size set on the tweaks app the same size that your KB is set to?
Dec 20 04:55:35 <matiasb> how can I find out the size of my current kb?
Dec 20 04:56:05 <hewball> matiasb: do you have a bluetooth one paired?
Dec 20 04:56:19 <matiasb> no, just the virtual kb
Dec 20 04:56:51 <hewball> it auto hides when it thinks another keyboard is attached
Dec 20 04:57:14 <matiasb> but it doesn't show up, i've reader a lot and most tutorials show screenshoots with xterm and the virtual Kb working
Dec 20 04:57:32 <matiasb>  hewball, good to know
Dec 20 05:02:34 <Compn> matiasb : hmm, the keyboard works with xterm here
Dec 20 05:02:44 <Compn> also xecutah only has xterm for me too :P
Dec 20 05:03:06 <Compn> matiasb : did you install any keyboard patches ?
Dec 20 05:04:03 <matiasb> no, no Kb patches
Dec 20 05:04:29 <matiasb> are there Kb patches available?
Dec 20 05:04:40 <Compn> lots of them in preware
Dec 20 05:04:57 <Compn> i think you need to install the button to hide/show keyboard
Dec 20 05:05:00 <Compn> maybe that will help
Dec 20 05:05:03 <Compn> that patch i mean
Dec 20 05:05:21 <matiasb> compm, I will try it now, thanks
Dec 20 05:06:24 <Compn> anyone know if there is a fix to put the keyboard at the top of the xterm ? so you can see what the hell you are typing ?
Dec 20 05:06:45 <dwc-> I think that patch was for the browser
Dec 20 05:06:49 <Compn> matiasb : there are also scripts or ipk's to add arrow keys to your keyboard
Dec 20 05:06:51 <dwc-> you should get the vkb all the time in xservers
Dec 20 05:06:58 <dwc-> (except for bluetooth)
Dec 20 05:07:16 <Compn> dwc- : what about being able to see what you are typing once you get far enough down in xterm? :P
Dec 20 05:07:33 <dwc-> Compn: that shouldn't matter if you make your vkb size match the tweaks setting
Dec 20 05:07:41 <dwc-> (hold the keyboard hide button to change size)
Dec 20 05:09:26 <matiasb> compn, great, i'm trying to find the hide/show keyboard patch now, I don't see it under "patches"
Dec 20 05:10:10 <Compn> dwc- : oh lol, i should have read the xecutah text
Dec 20 05:10:17 <Compn> dwc- : thanks
Dec 20 05:10:26 <dwc-> nobody does
Dec 20 05:10:31 <dwc-> ;)
Dec 20 05:10:40 <Compn> needs bold font
Dec 20 05:10:56 <Compn> matiasb : available packages > patches >
Dec 20 05:12:06 <Compn> probably browsers
Dec 20 05:12:12 <Compn> i guess its browser only setting
Dec 20 05:12:14 <Compn> ;\
Dec 20 05:12:25 <Compn> matiasb : did you update webos to 3.0.4 ?
Dec 20 05:13:10 <matiasb> compn, I have 3.0.0, just bought it
Dec 20 05:13:21 <Compn> oh , you need to upgrade then
Dec 20 05:13:25 <Compn> probably ;)
Dec 20 05:13:28 <matiasb> compn, I can't see thekb thing under patches
Dec 20 05:13:30 <matiasb> ok ok
Dec 20 05:13:58 <Compn> did you get it on the ebay sale or just paid some reseller extra cash ?
Dec 20 05:14:02 * Compn is curious
Dec 20 05:14:59 <matiasb> i'm from paraguay, I bought it from a HP store :O
Dec 20 05:15:07 <zephjc> lol really?
Dec 20 05:15:46 <zephjc> linky por favor?
Dec 20 05:16:00 <matiasb> zephjc, yes
Dec 20 05:16:06 <dwc-> ¿zeph, va a paraguay?
Dec 20 05:16:19 <zephjc> no, i just know a little spanish
Dec 20 05:16:34 <zephjc> enough to get me into trouble
Dec 20 05:17:20 <zephjc> matiasb: tienes un link?
Dec 20 05:17:22 <Compn> matiasb : can i ask how much ?
Dec 20 05:17:31 <dwc-> dos cervezas y mi amigo zephjc va a pagar =D
Dec 20 05:17:31 <Compn> people still want to buy touchpads :D
Dec 20 05:17:43 <zephjc> lol
Dec 20 05:17:46 <Compn> THERES STILL TOUCHPADS FOR SALE! EVERYBODY RUN!
Dec 20 05:17:55 <zephjc> AMG!
Dec 20 05:18:11 <matiasb> haha, it works fine :-)
Dec 20 05:18:53 * rwhitby thought the Xecutah package description specifically said you needed 3.0.4 ...
Dec 20 05:19:11 <rwhitby> "Requires webOS 3.0.2 or later for correct operation on the TouchPad."
Dec 20 05:19:32 <rwhitby> matiasb: that is the sentence on which you clicked "I've read this"
Dec 20 05:19:54 <rwhitby> the Preware package description also says "The XServer requires webOS 3.0.2 or later for correct operation on the TouchPad."
Dec 20 05:20:22 * rwhitby wonders what else he could have done ...
Dec 20 05:21:21 <matiasb> compn, in local money, 1,800,000 guaranies, let me convert it to dollars
Dec 20 05:21:56 <Compn> rwhitby : no one actually reads it when they click 'i've read this
Dec 20 05:22:11 <matiasb> compn, like 450 American dollars
Dec 20 05:22:11 <Compn> its like ... humancentipad
Dec 20 05:22:18 <rwhitby> Compn: yet they then come here and waste people's time as a result
Dec 20 05:22:20 <zephjc> lol
Dec 20 05:22:39 <Compn> matiasb : oh ok, thanks. in usa they sold these things for $100-$150 american dollars.
Dec 20 05:22:45 <Compn> because hp is crazy.
Dec 20 05:22:48 <zephjc> when i take over the webOS open source project, click thru agreements are the first thing to go
Dec 20 05:22:49 <matiasb> rwhitby, :\
Dec 20 05:23:13 <rwhitby> matiasb: seriously, did you not see that sentence?
Dec 20 05:23:19 <Compn> rwhitby : no, its your own damn fault for allowing xecutah to run on less than 3.0.4
Dec 20 05:23:23 <Compn> it should error out
Dec 20 05:23:28 <Compn> ERROR WRONG VER OS
Dec 20 05:23:31 <matiasb> rwhitby, I didn't
Dec 20 05:24:29 <rwhitby> Compn: patches welcome
Dec 20 05:24:32 <Compn> :D
Dec 20 05:24:41 <matiasb> :-)
Dec 20 05:24:50 <Compn> matiasb : enjoy your touchpad. its fun device ;)
Dec 20 05:24:59 <matiasb> I will update the webos, brb
Dec 20 05:25:06 <matiasb> compn, of course
Dec 20 05:25:13 <matiasb> thanks
Dec 20 05:26:52 <Compn> at least i successfully guessed the problem on first try :)
Dec 20 05:26:59 <Compn> oh no, i didnt
Dec 20 05:27:07 * Compn goes afk in shame
Dec 20 05:30:39 <zephjc> my fiancee is excited about the xmas gift she got me
Dec 20 05:31:25 <zephjc> I hope its either a touchpad or a PS3 mouse/keyboard converter
Dec 20 05:33:46 <dwc-> PS3 doesn't just use usb or bluetooth?
Dec 20 05:34:08 <zephjc> it uses both, but you need a converter to map the keys
Dec 20 05:35:03 <dwc-> well that seems silly!
Dec 20 05:45:15 <Tibfib_> night everyone
Dec 20 05:45:22 <zephjc> gnite
Dec 20 05:52:56 <twbbas> I should leave too
Dec 20 07:46:09 <rwhitby> hewball: check again
Dec 20 07:47:08 <hewball> rwhitby: thanks
Dec 20 07:50:49 <hewball> rwhitby: i dont think you could have made that any simpler :D
Dec 20 07:51:39 <rwhitby> big green buttons FTW
Dec 20 07:51:58 <rwhitby> and full disclosure on the way
Dec 20 07:52:53 <hewball> i do like the Akubra too
Dec 20 07:53:21 <rwhitby> Templarian does those icons for me
Dec 20 07:53:40 <rwhitby> Any attempt I might make would look worse than minecraft
Dec 20 07:55:11 <wrea> I've never played minecraft
Dec 20 07:55:33 <hewball> i dont think many would understand the icon though
Dec 20 07:56:58 <hewball> rwhitby: it tells me "this application is not avaliable for your carrier."
Dec 20 07:57:24 <rwhitby> hewball: did you set the preware preferences?
Dec 20 07:59:50 <hewball> yeah that gives me a curl error, ill keep trying
Dec 20 08:02:39 <rwhitby> what error?
Dec 20 08:02:55 <rwhitby> 403?
Dec 20 08:04:17 <hewball> nah a couldnt execute command, when preware does that a reboot fixes it
Dec 20 08:05:05 <hewball> oh sorry curl did run, says 404
Dec 20 08:06:21 <rwhitby> Looks like HP's servers really don't want your device to have that file then.
Dec 20 08:24:45 <EricBlade>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Dec 20 08:31:51 <EricBlade> oh, crap, it's 3.0.0
Dec 20 08:31:57 <EricBlade> no wonder nothing is working freaking right
Dec 20 08:34:24 <EricBlade> wow, 3.0.0 didn't even have audio/video support in web apps.  that's ridiculous
Dec 20 09:06:42 <EricBlade> oh there is audio support, it's just a little different
Dec 20 09:13:17 <panel> hello
Dec 20 09:27:39 <EricBlade> hmm.  when calling render() on a list or repeater .. i end up reloading all of the information to it's various components, even if it doesn't need to be.  any strategies for getting around that?
Dec 20 10:35:08 <EricBlade> weee, XO has video support now.  except i can't figure out any settings for the live-streamer that will actually work.
Dec 20 10:40:46 <EricBlade> ok, so, apparently we only support MP4 file format for videos?
Dec 20 10:40:50 <EricBlade> or HTTP Live Stream
Dec 20 10:41:05 <EricBlade> which is just a whole bunch of tiny MP4 videos if I understand it correctly
Dec 20 12:50:11 <fxspec06_> still no update for vzw pre 2's
Dec 20 12:50:15 <fxspec06_> =(
Dec 20 12:54:01 <rwhitby> since verizon sold them, the update requires verizon approval. I doubt that will happen.
Dec 20 12:57:01 <fxspec06_> i suppose i can hope for a doctor, or if a verizon pre 3 doc comes mayb a meta-dr
Dec 20 12:57:03 <fxspec06_> gtg bbl.
Dec 20 13:24:18 <Shiggs|MB> anyone else having issues with KalemSoft Media Player not decoding AAC audio in MKVs?
Dec 20 16:05:37 <zephjc> TIL: tallest person ever was 8'11.1" at his death
Dec 20 16:06:42 <zephjc> he weighted 485lbs
Dec 20 16:07:24 <zephjc> worlds tallest *living* man is 8'3" - what a midget!
Dec 20 16:10:35 <jats> hey..am makin an app in enyo..
Dec 20 16:11:10 <jats> is there any widget for command button
Dec 20 16:11:25 <zephjc> what sort of command?
Dec 20 16:12:04 <jats> hmm..
Dec 20 16:12:19 <jats> so that it wud take us to the initial scene
Dec 20 16:13:03 <jats> like in mojo we have in menus-command menu
Dec 20 16:13:09 <jats> widget
Dec 20 16:13:12 <zephjc> oh
Dec 20 16:13:19 <zephjc> with Help, etc?
Dec 20 16:13:34 <jats> yes..
Dec 20 16:14:12 <zephjc> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html#palm/controls/menu/Menu.js
Dec 20 16:15:04 <zephjc> that should be it
Dec 20 16:15:36 <jats> actually not exactly..
Dec 20 16:15:47 <jats> i also want another widget
Dec 20 16:16:18 <jats> kind of a list selector but it shd display all the files in a scroll down manner
Dec 20 16:17:01 <zephjc> well, the Menu control should be used like in other apps - trying to get too crazy with controls can confuse users and lead to inconsistent experience
Dec 20 16:17:02 <fxspec06_> what's the question
Dec 20 16:17:10 <jats> for i want to select a file from many...i will click onto it and it will scroll down and show mw list of files...?
Dec 20 16:17:29 <fxspec06_> a list selecter? use a popup and put a virtual list in it.
Dec 20 16:17:38 <zephjc> jats: see https://developer.palm.com/content/api/design/enyo/wireframe-stencils/file-picker-multi-select.html
Dec 20 16:17:47 <fxspec06_> file picker
Dec 20 16:18:23 <jats> yes
Dec 20 16:18:25 <jats> but
Dec 20 16:18:42 <jats> how do i display files name that i have stored it in my database
Dec 20 16:18:43 <jats> ?
Dec 20 16:19:41 <zephjc> in the database, or your apps local storage?
Dec 20 16:19:50 <jats> ok i think ill try this one first
Dec 20 16:19:55 <jats> thanx anyways
Dec 20 16:20:00 <zephjc> np
Dec 20 16:27:36 <zephjc> Enyo def needs more stock file pickers
Dec 20 16:28:03 <zephjc> tho its not like theyre hard to make, but it helps keep things conistent
Dec 20 16:31:07 <fxspec06_> i got an app catalog update
Dec 20 16:38:48 <fxspec06_> enyo doesn't even support people picker.
Dec 20 16:39:25 <zephjc> seems like lots of API holes that need to be patched
Dec 20 16:40:08 <NuttyBunny> hey, was anyone able to successfully use the 2.2.4 skype client on a 2.1 Pre2?
Dec 20 16:41:04 <fxspec06_> i have not tried
Dec 20 16:41:28 <fxspec06_> can i install 2.2.4 on my us unlocked w/ doctor
Dec 20 16:41:40 <fxspec06_> s/can i / will it work
Dec 20 16:41:57 <NuttyBunny> yep, the us unlocked is the same as the wr version
Dec 20 16:42:14 <NuttyBunny> I need to stick skype on a 2.1 pre plus :D  hehehe
Dec 20 16:42:19 <fxspec06_> cool. i'm gna do that and see what's up. but then sr71 will be wiped..
Dec 20 16:42:25 <NuttyBunny> but I keep getting an error
Dec 20 16:42:25 <fxspec06_> meh =|
Dec 20 16:42:36 <NuttyBunny> ah, yep, you should wait a few more days
Dec 20 16:42:46 <fxspec06_> well it's not my primary phone
Dec 20 16:42:50 <fxspec06_> i only boot it occasionally
Dec 20 16:43:00 <fxspec06_> so i'm good
Dec 20 16:43:17 <oilsworkn> no people picker control means, make one!
Dec 20 16:44:11 <fxspec06_> o.O sounds like a viable solution. when i get the time
Dec 20 16:44:12 <NuttyBunny> [error] [skypevalidator]: gstQueryResult failed: unknown   <- wtf? :(
Dec 20 16:44:52 <fxspec06_> i wish i had faster DL speeds. i'm DLing four things right now, split between a 3MBPS connection
Dec 20 16:45:11 * NuttyBunny has a 1mbps connection, so, don't complain
Dec 20 16:50:02 <zephjc> i remember when 1mbps was a lot
Dec 20 16:50:11 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 20 16:50:15 <zephjc> i have a 50mbps line
Dec 20 16:51:37 <wrea> no one likes a showoff
Dec 20 16:51:44 <wrea> :P
Dec 20 16:51:45 <zephjc> lol
Dec 20 16:52:14 <zephjc> tho apparently my ISP has been bought by time warner, so speeds might be going down while costs go up D:
Dec 20 16:53:00 <wrea> ouch
Dec 20 16:53:33 <wrea> Well, this is the first time I've encountered a segfault while trying to compile something
Dec 20 16:53:42 <zephjc> O_O
Dec 20 16:54:26 <wrea> I'm just that good
Dec 20 16:55:23 <wrea> only when I use the toolchain to cross compile, so i know where to start looking
Dec 20 17:00:03 <PuffTheMagic> i remember when 56k was a lot
Dec 20 17:00:12 <fxspec06_> doctoring now
Dec 20 17:00:18 <zephjc> "omg 2x as fast as 28k!"
Dec 20 17:01:46 <fxspec06_> hmm i'm act dlding at 3.7 MB/s
Dec 20 17:02:10 <oilsworkn> "dlding" just looks weird
Dec 20 17:02:17 <fxspec06_> ugh i totally need a quad core for times like today
Dec 20 17:05:01 <zephjc> DLing is what i use
Dec 20 17:05:43 <fxspec06_> quad core w/ 2TB raid workstation and SSD boot drive.
Dec 20 17:06:21 <zephjc> you need a compile farm
Dec 20 17:06:36 <zephjc> there are SaaS solutions for that
Dec 20 17:07:06 <fxspec06_> processing power when i need it.. ? hell yeah
Dec 20 17:07:16 <fxspec06_> i'll take that all day
Dec 20 17:11:35 * PuffTheMagic is finally doing some enyo devel using chrome
Dec 20 17:11:40 <PuffTheMagic> pretty nice actually
Dec 20 17:11:49 <zephjc> yeah
Dec 20 17:12:03 <zephjc> i just dont like having to start chrome is super-dangerous mode
Dec 20 17:12:14 <PuffTheMagic> had to make a custom browser entry for eclipse
Dec 20 17:12:15 <PuffTheMagic> chromium-browser --new-window --allow-file-access-from-files --geometry=1024x768 --app=%URL%
Dec 20 17:12:26 <fxspec06_> ah that is smart
Dec 20 17:12:29 <fxspec06_> i hadn't thought of that
Dec 20 17:12:43 <fxspec06_> i knew there was a reason i hang out in here
Dec 20 17:12:56 <PuffTheMagic> now i double click on index and it spawns a window with the size of the TP with no toolbars :D
Dec 20 17:14:29 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: right->click inspect!
Dec 20 17:14:53 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, so u approve of the alias dialog i made?
Dec 20 17:15:13 <oilsworkn> i think i missed it?
Dec 20 17:15:30 <oilsworkn> sad part about chrome dev, is how much better it is, then not being able to work on wirc in it haha
Dec 20 17:16:12 <PuffTheMagic> ya its nice not having to need a device to get some work done
Dec 20 17:16:39 <zephjc> hehe
Dec 20 17:16:42 <oilsworkn> but anything that needs a connection to irc you can't test :(
Dec 20 17:16:56 <oilsworkn> and chrome supporting things webos doesnt
Dec 20 17:17:40 <PuffTheMagic> ya
Dec 20 17:17:49 <PuffTheMagic> but implementing basic ui shit that is missing is good
Dec 20 17:18:05 <oilsworkn> yeah
Dec 20 17:18:09 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, http://ompldr.org/vYnUxcA/wirc-aliases.png
Dec 20 17:18:17 <oilsworkn> i developed most of color picker / key input in chrome
Dec 20 17:18:34 <PuffTheMagic> so this dialog properly adds to the 2 col list
Dec 20 17:18:42 <PuffTheMagic> and it saves/loads the data properlyu
Dec 20 17:18:48 <oilsworkn> looks good to me
Dec 20 17:19:32 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/enyo/wirc/tree/enyo/wi/inputColor.js#n99
Dec 20 17:19:47 <PuffTheMagic> /me notices how he never got enyo dotgame last night
Dec 20 17:19:55 <oilsworkn> -webkit-perspective :(
Dec 20 17:19:57 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ why did that not /me correctly
Dec 20 17:19:57 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: hey, does mendeley download files?
Dec 20 17:20:02 <oilsworkn> yeah, forgot about that
Dec 20 17:20:19 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, ya, EVERY TIME
Dec 20 17:20:29 <PuffTheMagic> need to make that more smart
Dec 20 17:20:33 <PuffTheMagic> thats sorta where I left off
Dec 20 17:20:43 <summatusmentis> would you hurry up already? :)
Dec 20 17:20:52 <PuffTheMagic> and I sorta want to go back to using a nodejs service
Dec 20 17:20:55 <oilsworkn> actually, i just realized i have a copy of it here at work lol
Dec 20 17:20:59 <summatusmentis> or can I get write-access to the repo? I'm not sure how much time I'll have, but the semester is done
Dec 20 17:21:03 <PuffTheMagic> but I have to figure out how to make it download whole files and not just parts
Dec 20 17:21:05 <summatusmentis> so I might have a little bit more time
Dec 20 17:21:19 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, if u want to start poking at it im fine with that
Dec 20 17:21:24 <PuffTheMagic> did I ever get your ssh keys
Dec 20 17:21:28 <summatusmentis> no
Dec 20 17:21:33 <summatusmentis> well, maybe?
Dec 20 17:21:35 <PuffTheMagic> send them to me and rod
Dec 20 17:21:38 <summatusmentis> I don't remember
Dec 20 17:21:52 <summatusmentis> you says keys as though you need more than one
Dec 20 17:21:56 <summatusmentis> you just need my public one, right?
Dec 20 17:22:02 <PuffTheMagic> in cause u have multiple machines
Dec 20 17:22:36 <oilsworkn> rmh###@gmail?
Dec 20 17:22:45 <PuffTheMagic> ya
Dec 20 17:22:58 <PuffTheMagic> almost
Dec 20 17:23:02 <PuffTheMagic> rmh3093 at gmail
Dec 20 17:23:34 <oilsworkn> i knew it was some numbers
Dec 20 17:23:36 <dwc-> what's the 3093 for
Dec 20 17:23:36 <PuffTheMagic> i cant wait for enyo to be oss so I can make webpage with it
Dec 20 17:23:43 <PuffTheMagic> just my RIT school id
Dec 20 17:23:59 <oilsworkn> this dotgame enyo code is probably horrid
Dec 20 17:24:04 <oilsworkn> was my first go at enyo
Dec 20 17:24:16 <PuffTheMagic> gmail was new then and I didnt ever think i would use it
Dec 20 17:24:22 <PuffTheMagic> so didnt really pick a cool name
Dec 20 17:24:25 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 20 17:24:33 <zephjc> you wont get very far with enyo webpages
Dec 20 17:24:45 <oilsworkn> cause its designed for webkit
Dec 20 17:25:00 <oilsworkn> probably looks like crap in ie/opera/etc?
Dec 20 17:25:05 <zephjc> well it errors unless youre running with --allow-file-access-from-files
Dec 20 17:25:15 <zephjc> (in chrome - no idea if safari has that)
Dec 20 17:25:16 <PuffTheMagic> oil, i dont care about ie and opera people
Dec 20 17:25:22 <oilsworkn> zephjc: no, thats only when you're using it from local
Dec 20 17:25:28 <dwc-> it should be fine, as long as your enyo js is all hosted remotely
Dec 20 17:25:34 <oilsworkn> if you put the files on the web, its not local file access
Dec 20 17:25:35 <zephjc> oh, thats true
Dec 20 17:25:51 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: nah, just one for now
Dec 20 17:25:54 <zephjc> enyo is more designed for touch anyway
Dec 20 17:26:07 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: I'll have to send the ssh keys later
Dec 20 17:26:17 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, just make sure to cc rod
Dec 20 17:26:22 <zephjc> use a scroller (esp a MBPs track pad) over a scrollable area :)
Dec 20 17:26:26 <PuffTheMagic> and when he gives me the green light i will add you
Dec 20 17:26:28 <oilsworkn> yeah, no scrollbars for your grandmother to click on and drag
Dec 20 17:26:31 <zephjc> flinggggggggg
Dec 20 17:26:35 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: can do
Dec 20 17:26:50 <summatusmentis> actually, can you email me so I know where to send it? I'm not gonna have this log
Dec 20 17:26:50 <zephjc> well no i mean its super touchy with a scroller
Dec 20 17:27:04 <PuffTheMagic> what your email?
Dec 20 17:27:18 <summatusmentis> this nick at gmail
Dec 20 17:27:20 <oilsworkn> and scrollwheel doesnt scroll scrollers
Dec 20 17:27:30 <PuffTheMagic> YET
Dec 20 17:27:37 <oilsworkn> i just want webos to support -webkit-perspective
Dec 20 17:27:45 <oilsworkn> so i can make the color picker do awesome flippy thing
Dec 20 17:27:52 <PuffTheMagic> i want typed array support
Dec 20 17:27:55 <PuffTheMagic> so pdf.js can work
Dec 20 17:28:23 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, is this the latest copy of dotgame?
Dec 20 17:28:51 <zephjc> pdf.js, is that the pure javascript PDF renderer?
Dec 20 17:28:54 <oilsworkn> possibly, i didn't look
Dec 20 17:29:00 <oilsworkn> but i haven't touched it in months
Dec 20 17:29:03 <PuffTheMagic> zephjc, ya
Dec 20 17:29:17 <oilsworkn> i haven't touched it since before the touchpad came out
Dec 20 17:29:42 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, do u care if it goes in a repo, or should i still hold off
Dec 20 17:29:56 <oilsworkn> just hold off on it
Dec 20 17:30:03 <PuffTheMagic> koo0, np
Dec 20 17:30:06 <PuffTheMagic> k
Dec 20 17:30:08 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: is it js that doesn't support that? or webOS?
Dec 20 17:30:11 <koo0> cool
Dec 20 17:30:24 <koo0> so youll give me all your money, you said?
Dec 20 17:30:32 <PuffTheMagic> summatusmentis, i believe is the webkit
Dec 20 17:30:37 <summatusmentis> ah
Dec 20 17:30:44 <PuffTheMagic> typed arrays are new
Dec 20 17:30:48 <PuffTheMagic> and webos webkit
Dec 20 17:30:49 <PuffTheMagic> well
Dec 20 17:30:50 <PuffTheMagic> is not new
Dec 20 17:31:18 <summatusmentis> indeed
Dec 20 17:34:30 <zephjc> yeah what build is webOS's webkit running?
Dec 20 17:35:42 <oilsworkn> build old
Dec 20 17:35:47 <zephjc> hehe
Dec 20 17:35:56 <oilsworkn> i dont really know
Dec 20 17:36:08 <zephjc> im running webkit nightly build r103310
Dec 20 17:36:18 <zephjc> Version 5.1.2 (7534.52.7, r103310)
Dec 20 17:36:37 <hotdp> Hazel|work ping?
Dec 20 17:36:47 <zephjc> any typed array support is all V8 though
Dec 20 17:36:51 <Hazel|work> hotdp: pong?
Dec 20 17:36:56 <hotdp> how are you?
Dec 20 17:37:00 <Hazel|work> er, OK
Dec 20 17:37:02 <oilsworkn> http://bit.ly/tmX86w
Dec 20 17:37:03 <Hazel|work> what's up?
Dec 20 17:37:06 <zephjc> a/s/l?
Dec 20 17:37:08 <zephjc> lol
Dec 20 17:37:15 <Hazel|work> zephjc: roflcopters.
Dec 20 17:37:25 <zephjc> oilsworkn: lol
Dec 20 17:37:35 <ka6sox-away> oilsworkn, good one
Dec 20 17:37:35 <oilsworkn> took me a little too long to find that one
Dec 20 17:37:52 <oilsworkn> but i had to shorten it because the url gave away the image
Dec 20 17:38:17 <zephjc> yea hehe
Dec 20 17:40:01 <oilsworkn> now my logo app supports "to square :size fd :size rt 90 fd :size rt 90 fd :size rt 90 fd :size rt 90 end" :)
Dec 20 17:41:50 <oilsworkn> but sadly, still not "to square :size repeat 4 [ fd :size rt 90 ] end" :/
Dec 20 17:41:54 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: still no email from you, did you send yet?
Dec 20 17:44:10 <zephjc> sound like a job for lisp!
Dec 20 17:45:24 <dwc-> (((((((((((())((()()()(()()))))
Dec 20 17:45:39 <oilsworkn> writing a logo interpreter in js became more difficult once i noticed how much more there was to logo then i ever used as a kid haha
Dec 20 17:46:13 <PuffTheMagic> sugardave, i asked what your email was
Dec 20 17:46:25 <ka6sox-away> oilsworkn, my turtle never moved.
Dec 20 17:46:30 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, so i was just talking with my dad about dotgame
Dec 20 17:46:36 <PuffTheMagic> who has played that since he was a kid
Dec 20 17:46:38 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: oops, missed it:  sugardave/gmail
Dec 20 17:46:53 <PuffTheMagic> oops
Dec 20 17:46:55 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: yeah
Dec 20 17:47:03 <PuffTheMagic> sugardave, that was meant for summatusmentis
Dec 20 17:47:10 <sugardave> ah, okay :)
Dec 20 17:47:11 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, so he has 2 comments
Dec 20 17:47:12 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: summatusmentis / gmail
Dec 20 17:47:13 <sugardave> no wonder I missed it
Dec 20 17:47:17 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 20 17:47:20 <summatusmentis> "this nick at gmail"
Dec 20 17:47:33 <summatusmentis> sorry for the confusion
Dec 20 17:48:04 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, first the the opponent move too fast, its pretty easy to have your arm occlude where he moved and never know, he suggests leaving the opponents last move in bold or something till u make your move
Dec 20 17:48:35 <ka6sox> I remember the first day I ever played .game
Dec 20 17:48:40 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: i know there are many things wrong with it
Dec 20 17:48:48 <oilsworkn> the mojo version fixes that one specifically
Dec 20 17:48:54 <oilsworkn> showing the ais last move
Dec 20 17:48:59 <oilsworkn> by highlighting hte line
Dec 20 17:49:13 <PuffTheMagic> ok the second thing has to do with the rules
Dec 20 17:49:19 <PuffTheMagic> there is the classic version that u have
Dec 20 17:49:29 <PuffTheMagic> where if u complete a box u have to place a new line
Dec 20 17:49:39 <oilsworkn> i know that too
Dec 20 17:49:45 <oilsworkn> the mojo version has both options
Dec 20 17:49:48 <PuffTheMagic> duh, cause u impemented that
Dec 20 17:49:51 <PuffTheMagic> both options?
Dec 20 17:49:56 <PuffTheMagic> what is your other option?
Dec 20 17:50:06 <oilsworkn> to not require you to complete open boxes to you
Dec 20 17:50:14 <oilsworkn> as a strategic option
Dec 20 17:50:27 <oilsworkn> but that favors the experienced player, so its not the default even in mojo
Dec 20 17:50:47 <PuffTheMagic> require you yo complete open boxes?
Dec 20 17:50:59 <oilsworkn> just like a wirc tester, pointing out all the things i already know is wrong/missing xD
Dec 20 17:51:00 <PuffTheMagic> as in complete chains?
Dec 20 17:51:33 <oilsworkn> the default, which requires you to complete any 3-sided box open to you on your turn is one way
Dec 20 17:51:43 <oilsworkn> the other way doesn't force you to do anything
Dec 20 17:51:58 <oilsworkn> you could do the chain and leave hte last one to mess up the timing for the other person to get a longer chain
Dec 20 17:52:04 <PuffTheMagic> ya ok
Dec 20 17:52:20 <PuffTheMagic> its been ages since i played the mojo version so I really didnt know it was already there
Dec 20 17:52:29 <PuffTheMagic> i think he was playing the mojo version on the TP
Dec 20 17:52:40 <PuffTheMagic> prob didnt see the advanced option cause he is an old fart
Dec 20 17:52:47 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 20 17:52:58 <ka6sox> I resemble that remark
Dec 20 17:53:42 <oilsworkn> and the ai sucks if you as a user aren't required to complete the boxes
Dec 20 17:53:50 <oilsworkn> like a child, it will always fall for it
Dec 20 17:53:57 <zephjc> oh, yeah, does anyone have a tree control file picker?  or tree control in general?  just dont want to recreate extra work
Dec 20 17:54:15 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, well im gonna use my dads TP and get this 2 player bluetooth shit working
Dec 20 17:54:16 * oilsworkn doesnt
Dec 20 17:54:26 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: nice
Dec 20 17:54:42 <oilsworkn> zephjc: there was a github repo filled with components others whipped up
Dec 20 17:54:48 <oilsworkn> i dont remember its name though
Dec 20 17:54:58 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, which means u must do wirc-enyo work in the mean time ;)
Dec 20 17:54:59 <oilsworkn> i seem to remember Tibfib_ having something to do with it
Dec 20 17:54:59 <zephjc> heh
Dec 20 17:55:06 <zephjc> i saw the wiki link above
Dec 20 17:55:20 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: haha
Dec 20 17:56:01 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, wirc-enyo need to get in alpha feed before 2012
Dec 20 17:56:22 <PuffTheMagic> at least unbreak the nick stuff ;)
Dec 20 17:56:41 <oilsworkn> well, i've got a few weeks then xD
Dec 20 17:57:05 <PuffTheMagic> no the nick shit needs to be done asap, you introduced a regression
Dec 20 17:57:19 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 20 18:07:08 <zephjc> you have macros but no /nick ?
Dec 20 18:09:21 <oilsworkn> heh
Dec 20 18:09:27 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Dec 20 18:09:58 <oilsworkn> he doesnt understand
Dec 20 18:09:58 <dwc-> zephjc: oh come on, the mojo version had DCC support, but only half-working nick change tracking :p
Dec 20 18:10:04 <zephjc> LOL
Dec 20 18:10:07 <zephjc> wow damn
Dec 20 18:10:09 <dwc-> and if you have aliases
Dec 20 18:10:11 <zephjc> forest, trees, etc
Dec 20 18:10:15 <oilsworkn> had?
Dec 20 18:10:15 <dwc-> you can always alias /nick to NICK &2
Dec 20 18:10:21 <zephjc> hah
Dec 20 18:10:22 <oilsworkn> it doesn't anymore?
Dec 20 18:10:48 <oilsworkn> granted, i could never test dcc to make it better
Dec 20 18:11:38 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn <- master of mojo but fails at router config
Dec 20 18:11:56 <oilsworkn> no different way i could have configured it
Dec 20 18:12:27 <summatusmentis> you don't get to configure your router?
Dec 20 18:13:21 <PuffTheMagic> DMZ and or port forwarding must be beyond him
Dec 20 18:13:46 * PuffTheMagic is polluting dotgame with lines with out ;
Dec 20 18:13:49 <oilsworkn> just keep suggesting things i already tried, ill wait
Dec 20 18:13:53 <dwc-> you don't even need that
Dec 20 18:13:58 <dwc-> just set up an ircd on a local IP
Dec 20 18:14:08 <dwc-> no PNAT to get in the way
Dec 20 18:14:31 <oilsworkn> hey, something i didn't try
Dec 20 18:14:39 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, did u hit apply and not just save :D
Dec 20 18:15:22 <dwc-> hell, just for kicks, if your 3g gives you a public unfirewalled IP, you can run a mobile ircd
Dec 20 18:17:27 <zephjc> i couldnt connect in IRC on my iPhone over 3G - i was disappoint
Dec 20 18:18:03 <PuffTheMagic> WTF HP!
Dec 20 18:18:12 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, it appears u cant pair two touchpads
Dec 20 18:18:43 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 20 18:18:46 <singmajesty> Isn't the point of pairing, to get text messages, calls and other phone-related features on the TouchPad?
Dec 20 18:18:48 <PuffTheMagic> they are fucking absurd
Dec 20 18:19:03 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, those are some of the reasons one might pair
Dec 20 18:19:10 <oilsworkn> singmajesty: the point is multiplayer dotgame via bluetooth
Dec 20 18:19:15 <singmajesty> Ah
Dec 20 18:19:25 <singmajesty> You can do WiFi, though, right?
Dec 20 18:19:30 <singmajesty> for multiplayer?
Dec 20 18:19:53 <singmajesty> Oh, for some reason I read "pair" and I thought "touch to share"
Dec 20 18:20:12 <singmajesty> With Bluetooth, you could use one TouchPad as a speaker for the other TouchPad
Dec 20 18:20:15 <singmajesty> #awesome
Dec 20 18:20:22 <oilsworkn> lol
Dec 20 18:20:38 <oilsworkn> this web irc client turned that into a link to join #awesome
Dec 20 18:21:06 <oilsworkn> there is a bunch of people in there
Dec 20 18:21:08 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, if i wanted to use wifi, that means I would have to roll a nodejs service to implement some sort of http server thingy
Dec 20 18:21:10 <singmajesty> haha
Dec 20 18:21:14 <singmajesty> Those are my groupies
Dec 20 18:21:36 <PuffTheMagic> the is an API for 2.x devices that allows for bluetooth serail
Dec 20 18:21:46 <PuffTheMagic> IF i could pair 2 TPs that would have been ideal
Dec 20 18:21:58 <singmajesty> Yeah, I guess most multiplayer webOS games are written in C
Dec 20 18:22:31 <oilsworkn> but even so, are any over bt?
Dec 20 18:22:46 <Brybry> there are multiplayer webos games?
Dec 20 18:22:49 <oilsworkn> they probably all use a server to communicate between
Dec 20 18:23:06 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, so we could do dotgame between a pre2 and TP
Dec 20 18:23:07 <PuffTheMagic> :(
Dec 20 18:23:09 <oilsworkn> Brybry: tanked, card casino games, etc
Dec 20 18:23:10 <PuffTheMagic> so lame
Dec 20 18:23:13 <PuffTheMagic> but not 2 touchpads
Dec 20 18:23:22 <oilsworkn> not as cool at all
Dec 20 18:25:48 <singmajesty> Shrek Kart
Dec 20 18:27:40 <zephjc-mobile> Worked on wifi but not 3G. Stupid at&t
Dec 20 18:28:14 <oilsworkn> shrek kart made me realize how hard it is to play accelerometer games in a moving car
Dec 20 18:28:34 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 20 18:28:50 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, i am so so so so pissed right now
Dec 20 18:29:11 <Brybry> the lesson we learned today: if you forgot you mounted / rw for a second and didn't remount it ro, your /usr/bin/jailer can and will die a fiery death while mucking around with other things and lead to hours of confusion
Dec 20 18:30:04 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, what are you doing with the jailer?
Dec 20 18:31:16 <Brybry> um, I wasn't intending to do anything with it other than mess with /var/palm/data/jailusers
Dec 20 18:32:21 <Brybry> it just 'randomly' absconded with itself after one too many errors
Dec 20 18:33:00 <oilsworkn> yeah, 'randomly', nudge nudge, wink wink
Dec 20 18:34:08 <zephjc> what did it do?
Dec 20 18:34:16 <Brybry> it deleted itself
Dec 20 18:34:19 <Brybry> or something else deleted it
Dec 20 18:34:55 <Brybry> which causes all pdk apps to stop launching (though everything else works fine)
Dec 20 18:35:50 <Brybry> easily fixed by pulling it out of the webos tar from the doctor and replacing it once I figured out that was what the problem was
Dec 20 18:38:07 <Shadyman> Nuked teh jail from orbit, just to be safe? I see.
Dec 20 18:40:41 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, maybe its just the enyo app part of the bt shit that is blocking other touchpads
Dec 20 18:42:36 <oilsworkn> time for a patch to make tp discoverable
Dec 20 18:46:57 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, got them paired
Dec 20 18:47:01 <PuffTheMagic> u have to do it like TTS
Dec 20 18:47:07 <PuffTheMagic> dkirker, thanks
Dec 20 18:47:11 <halfhalo> "and you have a patch!  And YOU have a patch, And YOU!  AND YOU! EVERYONE GETS A PATCH!"
Dec 20 18:47:50 <dkirker> PuffTheMagic: Sure thing! I just remember Adora complaining about that a lot when she would haul around her stack of TouchPads. :P
Dec 20 18:48:05 <PuffTheMagic> well
Dec 20 18:48:08 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: there's no patch under my seat
Dec 20 18:48:11 <PuffTheMagic> this isnt usefull yet
Dec 20 18:48:18 <PuffTheMagic> they only stay paired when tasked
Dec 20 18:48:22 <dkirker> hmmm
Dec 20 18:48:24 <PuffTheMagic> not really usefull for games
Dec 20 18:51:00 <PuffTheMagic> dkirker, u had me all excited for a minute there
Dec 20 18:51:06 <dkirker> :'(
Dec 20 18:51:11 <dkirker> Well, it kinda works :/
Dec 20 18:51:29 <PuffTheMagic> which makes me think its software being annoying or something
Dec 20 18:51:51 <dkirker> I can see TTS being a temporary thing (a la beaming)
Dec 20 18:52:02 <dkirker> I would imagine that the TouchPad software ignores other TouchPads
Dec 20 18:52:10 <PuffTheMagic> ya thats my guess
Dec 20 18:52:21 <PuffTheMagic> unless i can enable TTS in dotgame
Dec 20 18:52:26 <PuffTheMagic> touch them together to start a game
Dec 20 18:52:36 <PuffTheMagic> and maybe if the bt link stays active it will keep alive
Dec 20 18:52:36 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Dec 20 18:52:39 <zephjc> dont cross the streams!
Dec 20 18:53:09 <summatusmentis> is dotgame not in preware?
Dec 20 18:54:39 <dwc-> PuffTheMagic: you can do dotgame between two pre3 for sure
Dec 20 18:55:02 <PuffTheMagic> ya well i only have 1 pre3
Dec 20 18:55:06 <PuffTheMagic> and its lame
Dec 20 18:55:34 <halfhalo> your lame.
Dec 20 18:56:29 * PuffTheMagic passes halfhalo a bowl of dicks to each
Dec 20 18:56:31 <PuffTheMagic> eat
Dec 20 18:56:45 <dwc-> oh, yea, I was going to suggest trying TTS to pair your TP
Dec 20 18:56:49 <dwc-> but I see you did that
Dec 20 18:58:26 <summatusmentis> lolol
Dec 20 19:02:41 <Compn> is there a video recorder for touchpad ?
Dec 20 19:02:45 <Compn> i see zcorder in the wiki
Dec 20 19:02:53 <Compn> but not in the preware list
Dec 20 19:03:38 <halfhalo> http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/418 makes me happy
Dec 20 19:08:30 <Compn> oh camera can do video if you click the button
Dec 20 19:08:30 <Compn> derp
Dec 20 19:21:41 <halfhalo> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005E97ZUU/ref=ox_ya_os_product mmmm.... shiny
Dec 20 19:32:07 <zephjc> looks like part of my air conditioner
Dec 20 19:33:10 <hotdp> lol
Dec 20 19:33:24 <dawm_> walmart now delivers groceries?
Dec 20 19:33:34 <dawm_> http://grocery.walmart.com
Dec 20 19:34:01 <summatusmentis> their grocery employees also aren't unionized
Dec 20 19:34:26 <zephjc> i hate walmart
Dec 20 19:34:33 <zephjc> i'd rather go to a Meijer
Dec 20 19:34:35 <singmajesty> I hate unions
Dec 20 19:34:51 <zephjc> not all unions are corrupt hehe
Dec 20 19:35:13 <singmajesty> When children were working in coal mines, changing the standards was good
Dec 20 19:35:34 <singmajesty> Now that everyone works 8 hour days, and gets fair pay, unions turn into mob force
Dec 20 19:35:36 <dawm_>  theres a hell of a lot 'black triangle' items on deals.woot.com today.
Dec 20 19:35:39 <dawm_> anyone know why?
Dec 20 19:35:46 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: personally, I feel unions have their time and place
Dec 20 19:36:06 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: and further, without unions, we run the risk of gonig back to days when children were working in coal mines
Dec 20 19:36:12 <summatusmentis> (at least in the US)
Dec 20 19:37:14 <singmajesty> Think of it like a sports game --
Dec 20 19:37:17 <zephjc> my dad was union leader for a while at the hospital he worked at (doing engineering stuff, nothing medical) - he was never corrupt or pushy or thuggy...  he's probably one of the most chill people ive ever known
Dec 20 19:37:24 <singmajesty> So long as the rules aren't fair, it makes sense to push towards fairness
Dec 20 19:37:27 <singmajesty> But once you are there --
Dec 20 19:37:40 <singmajesty> That group leverage is only going to turn into changing the rules in their favor
Dec 20 19:37:46 <singmajesty> And no longer being fair
Dec 20 19:38:11 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: the same is true without unions though
Dec 20 19:38:15 <summatusmentis> and that's the point
Dec 20 19:38:45 <singmajesty> "hearn?s piece headlined ?For Backstage Labor, Rich Rewards,? informs us that some stagehands in New York theater make upwards to $422,000 a year in salary ? and that doesn?t include benefits."
Dec 20 19:39:22 <singmajesty> "These positions are not as highly skilled as brain surgeons, to be sure, yet these guys make hundreds of thousands a year to move chairs, rearrange scenery, raise curtains, and what have you. Why the absurdly outsized pay scale? Threats of strikes shutting down Broadway and its multi-million dollar industry is why."
Dec 20 19:39:28 <zephjc> some of what i guess are quote marks turned into ?s
Dec 20 19:39:36 <EricBlade> hooray it's payday
Dec 20 19:40:13 <sugardave> arg...I want to keep my db8 objects in my main kind, but run the methods from other kinds/js  I can do that, but I can't link it to a DbList's onSetupRow in the contained kind :/
Dec 20 19:40:35 <summatusmentis> I don't claim that unions are the end-all be-all, there's certainly possibility for corruption and unfairness, but I do think they have their place
Dec 20 19:40:52 <sugardave> I think the event sender is getting screwed up and I can't pass it as a parameter to check later
Dec 20 19:41:16 <summatusmentis> sugardave: hrm, so your secret app has rows, and uses db8
Dec 20 19:41:27 <EricBlade> what's all this about not being able to pair two touchpads together? that was one of the first things i did with the two that we have here, just to see what it would do (answer: very little)
Dec 20 19:41:40 <zephjc> ITS NETFLIX!
Dec 20 19:41:41 <zephjc> lol
Dec 20 19:42:02 <zephjc> store all your actual movies in db8!
Dec 20 19:42:47 <sugardave> this is a new "project" for fun I am doing :P
Dec 20 19:43:38 <zephjc>  grocery list organizer!
Dec 20 19:44:05 <halfhalo> woot
Dec 20 19:44:09 <halfhalo> got a 5870
Dec 20 19:44:18 <EricBlade> zephjc: while meijer definitely is much better operations wise than walmart, someone's point about unions is relevant -- the UFCW fights very hard to make sure that it's workers make squat.
Dec 20 19:44:23 <fxspec06> why didn't you get the 5920
Dec 20 19:44:52 <halfhalo> because 5870 is faster.  and was 140.  and will crossfire with my 5850
Dec 20 19:45:28 <fxspec06> 5970*
Dec 20 19:45:36 <fxspec06> hmm 140 is a good deal
Dec 20 19:45:47 <halfhalo> 5850 barely fits in current case
Dec 20 19:45:54 <halfhalo> don't even know if 5870 will
Dec 20 19:46:00 <zephjc> i wanna move to norway and live off their sweet sweet socialized oil money
Dec 20 19:46:04 <halfhalo> 59xx def won't
Dec 20 19:46:23 <halfhalo> 6950 does though, and hopefully the 7950 does as well, which is what my next upgrade will be to
Dec 20 19:47:16 <zephjc> what are these numbers to which you refer?
Dec 20 19:47:25 <halfhalo> ati video cards
Dec 20 19:47:42 <zephjc> ahhh
Dec 20 19:49:27 <fxspec06> bbs
Dec 20 19:55:07 <dwc-> 5920? pfft
Dec 20 19:55:08 <dwc-> 6990
Dec 20 19:57:28 <halfhalo> I wish I had room for a 6990
Dec 20 19:57:31 <halfhalo> mebe with new case
Dec 20 19:57:41 <halfhalo> which has a massive fan the size of france
Dec 20 19:57:59 <dwc-> dremel will fix all
Dec 20 19:58:32 <directhex> i've only got a 5850, but this pc is gettong olf
Dec 20 19:58:33 <directhex> old
Dec 20 19:58:46 <directhex> wifey has a 6970.
Dec 20 19:58:56 <halfhalo> I have a 5850 now, and Its starting to struggle with bf3 @ 2048x1152
Dec 20 19:59:15 <halfhalo> crossfire should alleviate that issue for a while until the 7 or 8 series are out
Dec 20 19:59:43 <halfhalo> http://www.bensoutlet.com/products/ati-5870
Dec 20 19:59:58 * dwc- doesn't have 2048x1152 problems
Dec 20 20:00:15 * dwc- only has 1280x1024 problems (but a bitch aint one)
Dec 20 20:01:10 <directhex> good luck cooling crossfire
Dec 20 20:01:59 <halfhalo> https://www.box.com/s/4amsgj45dpnc23sxt9jm is current setup.
Dec 20 20:02:17 <halfhalo> new case is here tomorrow which has a massive fan on the side
Dec 20 20:02:19 <singmajesty> I have a GTX 550 Ti, got it for $140 a while ago
Dec 20 20:02:23 <singmajesty> Works really well
Dec 20 20:02:45 <singmajesty> It can do max settings on Portal 2 and Starcraft 2, but I haven't tried running Battlefield 3
Dec 20 20:02:59 <halfhalo> and for the most part my computer runs without fans since it has good airflow throughout.  I shut off the two front ones plus the rear and it is silent
Dec 20 20:04:09 <halfhalo> also finally am installing the new bluray drive so I can actually burn disks again
Dec 20 20:04:19 <dwc-> wish the 4890 was quieter :(
Dec 20 20:18:31 <dawm_> http://jalopnik.com/5869788/saab-kills-all-warranty-coverage
Dec 20 20:18:32 <dawm_> ouch
Dec 20 20:18:37 <zephjc> whoa
Dec 20 20:18:48 <hotdp> wow
Dec 20 20:18:53 <hotdp> thats not nice
Dec 20 20:19:55 <dawm_> whats funny is, i got an email from the saab/subaru dealership i took my car in to have a recall cleared on
Dec 20 20:20:13 <dawm_> they're taking $16k off all 2011 9-5s and it says includes 60k warranty
Dec 20 20:20:28 <hotdp> not anymore :d
Dec 20 20:20:28 <dawm_> wonder if thats aftermarket warranty ;p
Dec 20 20:21:28 <dawm_> ive been getting the emails for a few months of them taking 10k, 11k, 14k off, never looked into why just figured they were clearing old inventory for the new year, but christ one of the cars they're taking it off of is $51k..
Dec 20 20:22:50 <dawm_> funny thing is saab's website says nothing about 'we're done'
Dec 20 20:27:38 <_null> maybe because they fired their web devs
Dec 20 20:27:45 <zephjc> lol
Dec 20 20:31:23 <wrea> or maybe they still want people to buy their remaining stock, not going to happen if you advertise why you shouldnt
Dec 20 20:44:38 <zephjc> hah http://searchengineland.com/figz/wp-content/seloads/2011/12/dilbert-google-20time.jpg
Dec 20 20:48:42 <wrea> lol
Dec 20 20:49:37 <zephjc> google has that culture of "why would you ever want to leave?" ingrained in it
Dec 20 20:56:27 <Shadyman> zephjc: You can check out any time you want, but you can never leave.
Dec 20 20:57:35 <akanster> Hotel Google
Dec 20 20:58:47 <zephjc> yes hehe
Dec 20 21:07:26 <zephjc> are there any docs on TP directory structure?
Dec 20 21:22:47 <zephjc> specifically where apps are installed, and where user data goes
Dec 20 21:24:36 <singmajesty>  /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/
Dec 20 21:24:50 <singmajesty> (or did I get that mixed up?)
Dec 20 21:25:41 <zephjc> seems overly long
Dec 20 21:26:48 <dwc-> /media/cryptofs/apps/ is an alternate for /
Dec 20 21:26:58 <dwc-> so you'll see a similar structure
Dec 20 21:27:15 <zephjc> i see
Dec 20 21:27:35 <zephjc> /media/ is like /mnt/ then?
Dec 20 21:28:34 <halfhalo> to mifi or not to mifi...
Dec 20 21:28:47 <dwc-> how some people use /mnt anyways
Dec 20 21:32:16 <halfhalo> hmm... is lte worth an extra 25 dollars a month...
Dec 20 21:40:04 <zephjc> wow the UX for Internalz really sux
Dec 20 21:42:17 <dawm_> lol
Dec 20 21:57:09 <twbbas> Woo! Great grades this semester! :D
Dec 20 22:35:26 <zephjc> "our school marm was tough, but fair, in all matters to which she taught us"
Dec 20 22:43:58 <akanster> http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/20/2650471/amazon-considered-buying-rim-this-summer  - talk about random
Dec 20 22:44:07 <zephjc> lol
Dec 20 22:44:27 <zephjc> "we want to buy rim just so we can shut them down"
Dec 20 22:45:11 <zephjc> i see www.rim.jobs doesnt exist anymore
Dec 20 22:45:28 <wrea> lol
Dec 20 22:52:02 <webOSNewbie> I have a problem with my app.  Where can I upload it so you can see the source?
Dec 20 22:52:31 <zephjc> you can put it up on github
Dec 20 22:53:12 <webOSNewbie> I don't want to set up an account, though
Dec 20 22:53:45 <twbbas> You could post a snippet to pastebin
Dec 20 22:54:00 <zephjc> there ya go
Dec 20 22:54:15 <zephjc> but really, its worth having a github account
Dec 20 22:54:36 <twbbas> I really should get one
Dec 20 23:01:49 <dwc-> pack up a zip/ipk and upload it anywhere
Dec 20 23:02:27 <webOSNewbie> Upload it where?
Dec 20 23:02:43 <twbbas> dropbox is good
Dec 20 23:03:21 <dwc-> dropbox, box, megaupload, take your pick
Dec 20 23:03:30 <dwc-> hmm, touchpad refuses to go into usb drive mode
Dec 20 23:03:42 <dwc-> throw all 0 of my open cards away, eh
Dec 20 23:04:08 <webOSNewbie> I got that too
Dec 20 23:05:53 <webOSNewbie> http://pastebin.com/wfXKp8Zp
Dec 20 23:06:52 <zephjc> the path to enyo might not be right - what are you testing it with?
Dec 20 23:06:58 <zephjc> to enyo.js that is
Dec 20 23:07:03 <webOSNewbie> My dad's TouchPad
Dec 20 23:07:32 <zephjc> did you install the Palm SDK?
Dec 20 23:08:15 <zephjc> it installs several command line programs
Dec 20 23:08:22 <webOSNewbie> I have it
Dec 20 23:08:28 <zephjc> one is palm-generate
Dec 20 23:08:44 <zephjc> which creates a new project based on the args u pass in
Dec 20 23:08:44 * DougReeder waves hello
Dec 20 23:09:01 <akanster> webOSNewbie: so you just want to display the page header?
Dec 20 23:09:03 <sugardave> ze path is wrong
Dec 20 23:09:09 <zephjc> for instance:  palm-generate -t enyo_splitview ~/projects/splitview
Dec 20 23:09:20 <webOSNewbie> akanster: Yes
Dec 20 23:09:35 <sugardave> ../../../enyo/0.10/framework/enyo.js
Dec 20 23:09:49 <webOSNewbie> Really?
Dec 20 23:10:02 <sugardave> the important bit is it needs to end with "enyo/0.10..." etc. for the re-write to work properly
Dec 20 23:10:27 <akanster> well that is different for everyone, find your enyo.js and reference it correctly
Dec 20 23:10:29 <sugardave> that's where it is on my local machine
Dec 20 23:10:42 <sugardave> but it rewrites for the device when you install/run your app
Dec 20 23:10:53 <webOSNewbie> Yes, so it would not be a problem
Dec 20 23:10:55 <sugardave> to the device framework directory
Dec 20 23:10:58 <zephjc> here's mine on my mac:
Dec 20 23:11:04 <zephjc> <script src="/opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/framework/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
Dec 20 23:11:05 <sugardave> but you are missing the magic string part
Dec 20 23:11:21 <sugardave> enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js
Dec 20 23:11:28 <DougReeder> Use ../enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js There were diferences between 0.10 and 1.0
Dec 20 23:11:40 <sugardave> hmmm
Dec 20 23:11:50 <zephjc> DougReeder: i would imagine so :)
Dec 20 23:11:54 <sugardave> I always use 0.10 and it is a link to 1.0 or vice versa
Dec 20 23:12:22 <sugardave> 0.10 === 1.0  (that's what they always said)
Dec 20 23:12:46 <webOSNewbie> okay
Dec 20 23:13:05 <DougReeder> They said so, but it wasn't quite true.
Dec 20 23:13:12 <webOSNewbie> Is line 33 on my paste correct?
Dec 20 23:13:22 <sugardave> DougReeder: what's different?
Dec 20 23:13:26 <webOSNewbie> I'm wondering if I should add quotes
Dec 20 23:13:26 <akanster> I copied the 1.0 folder into my dev directory and work with that
Dec 20 23:13:47 <DougReeder> I forget, it was months ago.
Dec 20 23:13:56 <zephjc> webOSNewbie: yes, you can also use strings like "VFlexBox"
Dec 20 23:14:09 <webOSNewbie> okay
Dec 20 23:14:32 <webOSNewbie> I need to take medicine
Dec 20 23:14:45 <zephjc> you might find it handy, btw, to develop in chrome
Dec 20 23:14:47 <zephjc> ok
Dec 20 23:15:04 <DougReeder> If it worked under 0.10, it will work under 1.0, but not vice versa.
Dec 20 23:15:16 <webOSNewbie> I find it a bit hard to develop in Chrome, but I have Safari
Dec 20 23:15:35 <sugardave> DougReeder: then I'm sticking with 0.10 :)
Dec 20 23:18:03 <zephjc> webOSNewbie: thatss fine - in Chrome though you can develop locally without running a web server
Dec 20 23:19:34 <webOSNewbie> I have to run a server in Safari?
Dec 20 23:19:47 <webOSNewbie> That explains my problems there...
Dec 20 23:20:26 <zephjc> recent WebKit updates have much better console features
Dec 20 23:20:41 <zephjc> yeah, for safari, you have to run it thru a web server
Dec 20 23:20:49 <webOSNewbie> So the only problem with my app is the enyo.js reference?
Dec 20 23:22:07 <zephjc> enyo.js tries to do stuff locally that throws exceptions without special flags set when opening chrome
Dec 20 23:22:14 <zephjc> not sure if safari has those flags
Dec 20 23:22:33 * webOSNewbie is away: I need to go, but I'll be back
Dec 20 23:22:34 <zephjc> if you run it on a server, even localhost, you dont have to worry about it
Dec 20 23:22:37 <webOSNewbie> Oops
Dec 20 23:22:46 * webOSNewbie is away: I need to go, but I'll be back
Dec 20 23:22:48 <webOSNewbie> ugh
Dec 20 23:22:55 <webOSNewbie> Sorry
Dec 20 23:23:04 <zephjc> lol
Dec 20 23:23:28 <webOSNewbie> I haven't used IRC for a while
Dec 20 23:23:37 <webOSNewbie> I wondered what that button was
Dec 20 23:26:00 * DougReeder smiles
Dec 20 23:26:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lolol
Dec 20 23:26:19 <sugardave> omg, hot tamales candes are soooo good
Dec 20 23:26:26 <sugardave> candIes
Dec 20 23:26:29 <twbbas> Hi IGNT..TD
Dec 20 23:27:09 <akanster> sugardave: spicy and sweet!
Dec 20 23:30:45 <webOSNewbie> I fixed the path to enyo.js, but it STILL doesn't work.
Dec 20 23:34:29 <webOSNewbie> I'm following along with the Enyo FeedReader tutorial, but my code doesn't work.
Dec 20 23:37:31 <akanster> You'll need to give more details.  You can't just say, "it doesn't work"
Dec 20 23:37:47 <webOSNewbie> It displays a blank card
Dec 20 23:38:08 <webOSNewbie> What do you use for a text editor?
Dec 20 23:38:14 <webOSNewbie> I use Notepad++
Dec 20 23:38:23 <zephjc> i use TextEdit typically
Dec 20 23:38:31 <zephjc> err
Dec 20 23:38:33 <zephjc> TextMate
Dec 20 23:38:35 <webOSNewbie> I mean for webOS coding
Dec 20 23:38:42 <akanster> can you run the completed FeedReader example?
Dec 20 23:38:46 <zephjc> yeah, TextMate so far
Dec 20 23:38:49 <zephjc> im new to it too
Dec 20 23:38:57 <webOSNewbie> Where's the completed example?
Dec 20 23:39:03 <zephjc> yeah, the feed reader one is a good example
Dec 20 23:39:24 <zephjc> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/extended_enyo_tutorial.html
Dec 20 23:39:58 <zephjc> the link is at the end of the introduction section
Dec 20 23:43:57 <webOSNewbie> Do I need to keep the <!DOCTYPE> lowercase?
Dec 20 23:44:14 <zephjc> shouldnt matter as far as i know
Dec 20 23:48:06 <EricBlade> webOSNewbie: the example is also hiding somewhere within the SDK examples too
Dec 20 23:48:22 <EricBlade> use the Extended tutorial though, the regular one isn't as clear
Dec 20 23:48:32 <webOSNewbie> okay
Dec 20 23:48:38 <webOSNewbie> I was using the regular
Dec 20 23:48:58 <EricBlade> yeah that one had me all farked up too
Dec 20 23:49:00 <zephjc> yeah that ones about as clear as mud
Dec 20 23:49:17 <EricBlade> i did end up basing my first app off it though
Dec 20 23:49:36 <zephjc> fairly idiomatic Enyo
Dec 20 23:49:52 <zephjc> my apps already become non-ideomatic :)
Dec 20 23:50:06 <zephjc> non-idiomatic*
Dec 20 23:50:26 * webOSNewbie has no idea what idiomatic means
Dec 20 23:50:34 <zephjc> google it )
Dec 20 23:50:35 <zephjc> ;)
Dec 20 23:51:07 <webOSNewbie> oh, I see now
Dec 20 23:51:19 * webOSNewbie is about to hug Google
Dec 20 23:51:33 <webOSNewbie> I forgot about my friend
Dec 20 23:51:36 <zephjc> hehe
Dec 20 23:52:11 * webOSNewbie is mad
Dec 20 23:52:19 <webOSNewbie> Google didn't want to hug
Dec 20 23:53:07 <zephjc> mostly just means to code in a style similar to the established way
Dec 21 00:09:17 * webOSNewbie is watching Annoying Orange vs. Angry Birds
Dec 21 00:10:24 <EricBlade> well so much for the queue getting worked FIFO .. i submitted 2 things at nearly the same time, and the later one got approved at 3am .. the earlier one (by a minute or so) is still waiting :(
Dec 21 00:11:01 <webOSNewbie> Sounds like a piece of Microsoft
Dec 21 00:11:20 <EricBlade> heh
Dec 21 00:17:05 <EricBlade> did sugardave reveal anything more about his project today
Dec 21 00:18:21 <EricBlade> webOSNewbie: to run apps in chrome, you need (at least) --allow-file-access-from-files --disable-web-security --enable-file-cookies
Dec 21 00:28:18 <zephjc> allegedly only the first flag
Dec 21 00:28:23 <zephjc> i use all three tho
Dec 21 00:29:38 <webOSNewbie> I tried all three, but it can't even run the StyleMatters sample app on my computer
Dec 21 00:29:55 <webOSNewbie> All three flags
Dec 21 00:31:36 <PatrickC> hey all
Dec 21 00:35:05 <webOSNewbie> I found the problem to my app
Dec 21 00:35:15 <PatrickC> hey webOSNewbie! long time no see
Dec 21 00:35:24 <webOSNewbie> depends.js
Dec 21 00:36:03 <webOSNewbie> I thought "sources/foo.js" meant foo.js is source, not foo.js in the source folder
Dec 21 00:36:12 <webOSNewbie> I feel stupid
Dec 21 00:36:28 <zephjc> well, its both i guess :)
Dec 21 00:36:46 <webOSNewbie> I din't have that folder in my app
Dec 21 00:36:50 <zephjc> btw, if you want to include all source from sources/ in your probject
Dec 21 00:37:55 <PatrickC> technically, you don't even need a sources dir. you can do everything from one folder if you want
Dec 21 00:38:00 <zephjc> yeah
Dec 21 00:38:17 <webOSNewbie> That's what I was doing, which caused my misinterpretation
Dec 21 00:38:46 <zephjc> palm-generate is the best way to make new projects
Dec 21 00:39:07 * sugardave sticks with his skeleton directory.
Dec 21 00:40:28 <PatrickC> yep
Dec 21 00:40:36 <zephjc> yeah
Dec 21 00:40:41 <PatrickC> anyone in here have a pre3 that can send me a screenshot?
Dec 21 00:40:41 <zephjc> can get ugly otherwise
Dec 21 00:40:48 <webOSNewbie> What's a skeleton directory?
Dec 21 00:41:03 <zephjc> a "bare bones" project
Dec 21 00:41:24 <webOSNewbie> I love doing those for calcs
Dec 21 00:41:26 <PatrickC> it has only the minimal files/folders needed
Dec 21 00:41:33 <zephjc> right
Dec 21 00:41:36 <sugardave> a generic appinfo.json and index.html basically
Dec 21 00:41:46 <PatrickC> what about a depends.js?
Dec 21 00:41:50 <PatrickC> sugardave, u have a pre3, right?
Dec 21 00:42:19 <sugardave> yes, and a depends.js of course
Dec 21 00:42:28 <webOSNewbie> My dad's Pre 2 doesn't have the App Catalog.  Anyway to put it on?
Dec 21 00:42:30 <sugardave> plus a few "special" starting kinds I like to use that fit my MO
Dec 21 00:42:42 <PatrickC> nvm, my pre2 got it working
Dec 21 00:42:52 <PatrickC> webOSNewbie, extract a doctor?
Dec 21 00:42:54 <PatrickC> i think..
Dec 21 00:43:14 <webOSNewbie> It's his HP work phone, so he'll get nervous
Dec 21 00:43:40 <PatrickC> well, why does it not have the app catalog on it?
Dec 21 00:43:44 <webOSNewbie> They locked it down, I think
Dec 21 00:43:55 <webOSNewbie> tIt can't roam, so that makes me think that
Dec 21 00:44:03 <PatrickC> then its probably just hidden, but i would assume that they did it for a reason
Dec 21 00:44:17 <webOSNewbie> Is there a hidden app code for it?
Dec 21 00:44:33 <PatrickC> nope. its just hidden. just takes a little line of code in a specific spot
Dec 21 00:44:41 <PatrickC> but if it was hidden by his company, theres a reason for it
Dec 21 00:44:45 <webOSNewbie> On the SIM?
Dec 21 00:44:58 <PatrickC> no
Dec 21 00:45:15 <webOSNewbie> It's an unlocked GSM phone
Dec 21 00:45:21 <PatrickC> wow.. cant wait to get rid of this blackberry....
Dec 21 00:45:23 <webOSNewbie> tjust saying
Dec 21 00:45:34 <PatrickC> webOSNewbie, that has nothing to do with it
Dec 21 00:45:48 <PatrickC> its something that the comapany can do if they need/want to
Dec 21 00:46:11 <webOSNewbie> Sorry for the 't's.  I'm used to playing Hedgewars a lot, where you have to type 't' to start a chat line
Dec 21 00:46:19 * PatrickC waits for pre3 to finish downloading update
Dec 21 00:46:28 <webOSNewbie> I've been playing nonstop until I was grounded
Dec 21 00:46:30 <PatrickC> lol
Dec 21 00:46:36 <webOSNewbie> For about a month
Dec 21 00:46:48 <webOSNewbie> And two months allowance was taken away
Dec 21 00:47:36 <webOSNewbie> Are .ipk s compiled on the device?  I can't find them anywhere
Dec 21 00:48:10 <PatrickC> they arent compiled on the device
Dec 21 00:48:18 <webOSNewbie> What happens to them?
Dec 21 00:48:19 <PatrickC> you compile them with palm-package <directory>
Dec 21 00:48:37 <webOSNewbie> That's how you make .ipk s
Dec 21 00:48:41 <rwhitby> webOSNewbie: have you done the tutorials on developer.palm.com ?
Dec 21 00:48:43 <PatrickC> then when you palm-install <.ipk> it extracts them to the needed directories
Dec 21 00:49:14 <webOSNewbie> Is it known what those directories are?
Dec 21 00:49:23 <rwhitby> webOSNewbie: have you done the tutorials on developer.palm.com ?
Dec 21 00:49:27 <webOSNewbie> some
Dec 21 00:49:38 <rwhitby> do them all, first.
Dec 21 00:49:50 <webOSNewbie> I'm in the middle of both Enyo FeedReaders
Dec 21 00:50:15 <rwhitby> start here: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide.html
Dec 21 00:50:21 <rwhitby> read every page linked from that page
Dec 21 00:50:51 <webOSNewbie> I don't want to use the PDK
Dec 21 00:50:51 * sugardave starts adding links.
Dec 21 00:51:07 <zephjc> whats the app catalog policy on bundling native executables with enyo code in an app?
Dec 21 00:51:27 <wrea> sugardave, lol
Dec 21 00:51:51 <webOSNewbie> Is Enyo for TouchPad, and Mojo for phones?
Dec 21 00:52:08 <webOSNewbie> I'm pretty sure that's right, but I'm just checking
Dec 21 00:52:23 <rwhitby> you can use either of enyo or mojo on any device
Dec 21 00:52:32 <webOSNewbie> Really?
Dec 21 00:52:36 <rwhitby> yes
Dec 21 00:52:53 <webOSNewbie> Won't Mojo be small-screened on the TouchPad?
Dec 21 00:53:00 <sugardave> it can be
Dec 21 00:53:23 <sugardave> or you can make it go fullsize with an appinfo property
Dec 21 00:53:28 <webOSNewbie> Is the "uiRevision": "2" available for mojo?
Dec 21 00:53:36 <webOSNewbie> wow
Dec 21 00:54:16 <webOSNewbie> I think I like Enyo better, like you all said way back when
Dec 21 00:54:36 <rwhitby> For example, Preware is a mojo app which works on all webOS devices and displays full-screen.
Dec 21 00:55:05 <webOSNewbie> Do HP policies prevent Preware from being in the catalog?
Dec 21 00:55:07 <rwhitby> anything you can do in mojo you can do in enyo, and vice versa.
Dec 21 00:55:23 <rwhitby> Yes.
Dec 21 00:56:54 <webOSNewbie> PatrickC: I went through my old papers last month or so and found out that I got my first computer before I was 2, not a laptop at 18 months
Dec 21 00:56:58 <twbbas> Hi PatrickC
Dec 21 00:57:20 <webOSNewbie> All I did was play games anyway
Dec 21 00:58:46 <PatrickC> hey twbbas
Dec 21 00:59:04 <twbbas> long time no irc
Dec 21 00:59:09 <webOSNewbie> hehe
Dec 21 01:01:32 <PatrickC> twbbas, yep lol
Dec 21 01:03:57 <PatrickC> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/12/2-2-4-doctor-released-for-pre-3-update-lost-in-cyberspace/
Dec 21 01:04:00 <PatrickC> OTA is now live
Dec 21 01:13:45 <zephjc> webOSNewbie: theres a certain elegance to enyo that was missing in Mojo from what I can tell.  Maybe its just that i like anything that doesnt make me write html :)
Dec 21 01:47:59 <PatrickC> does E Print not have a webOS app?
Dec 21 01:49:06 <Shadyman> You don't need an app to ePrint.
Dec 21 01:49:11 <PatrickC> i know
Dec 21 01:49:27 <Shadyman> Just sayin' :)
Dec 21 01:49:33 <PatrickC> but on my blackberry there is one, and it searches for locations near you that you can print to ;)
Dec 21 01:50:04 <Shadyman> Uhh?
Dec 21 01:50:11 <Shadyman> Like on a map, or ad-hoc airprint-style?
Dec 21 01:50:21 <PatrickC> idk
Dec 21 01:50:34 <PatrickC> it shows me a list of printers and locations near my current GPS that i can print to
Dec 21 01:50:42 <Shadyman> Ah
Dec 21 01:50:49 <Shadyman> Interesting.
Dec 21 01:50:55 <PatrickC> http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/downloads/eprint-demo.swf
Dec 21 01:52:00 <Compn> getting black screen with car logo with navit maps
Dec 21 01:52:06 <Compn> wondering what i'm doin wrong :D
Dec 21 01:52:22 <PatrickC> Compn, thats a #webos-internals app iirc.
Dec 21 01:53:25 <Shadyman> Found a typo.
Dec 21 01:53:33 <Shadyman> they put "were" instead of "where" in their SWF
Dec 21 01:54:23 <rwhitby> PatrickC: the maintainer of the app is listed in the preware app description
Dec 21 01:54:34 <PatrickC> rwhitby, ok
Dec 21 01:54:44 <PatrickC> i thought that was an official WOSI app.. sorry
Dec 21 01:55:17 <rwhitby> #webos-internals is the right place to discuss it, but support should go direct to the maintainer listed first
Dec 21 02:00:44 <webOSNewbie> ePrint was a cool idea
Dec 21 02:01:06 <PatrickC> it is
Dec 21 02:01:11 * webOSNewbie is so lonely that he friended himself
Dec 21 02:01:21 <webOSNewbie> on IRC
Dec 21 02:02:08 * scoutcamper knows he is late to the party, but ...
Dec 21 02:02:20 <scoutcamper> HOLY CRAP 2.2.4 VZW Pre3!!!!!!
Dec 21 02:02:23 <PatrickC> lol
Dec 21 02:02:39 * PatrickC wonders what the changelog is
Dec 21 02:02:45 <PatrickC> there was none after i updated mine
Dec 21 02:02:51 <PatrickC> it just said "Enjoy the update!" ;p;
Dec 21 02:02:53 <PatrickC> lol*
Dec 21 02:02:54 * webOSNewbie realizes he has a cute little Palm V
Dec 21 02:02:55 <wrea> they added - your mom
Dec 21 02:02:59 <scoutcamper> mine as well
Dec 21 02:03:08 <webOSNewbie> My mom probably wants a Pre 3
Dec 21 02:03:18 <webOSNewbie> Today she said she wanted a TouchPad
Dec 21 02:03:48 <PatrickC> thats a good thing. she wants a *real* tablet and not the iPad :)
Dec 21 02:04:07 <webOSNewbie> hehe
Dec 21 02:05:04 <webOSNewbie> I still don't see how webOS on a printer would be useful
Dec 21 02:05:22 <webOSNewbie> I mean, Angry Birds on my printer?  Awkward...\
Dec 21 02:06:37 <webOSNewbie> I wish my laptop had a better battery
Dec 21 02:06:59 <webOSNewbie> 10 hours, 8 hours, 6 hours... anything better than five minutes
Dec 21 02:07:22 <webOSNewbie> Whoever had this before me pretty much killed the battery
Dec 21 02:09:05 <sugardave> picture/doc synergy on the printer, notes/memos you can just type to print, whatever other neat things someone might think of
Dec 21 02:09:38 <dwc-> angry birds on your roku
Dec 21 02:09:40 <dwc-> printer
Dec 21 02:09:46 <dwc-> toaster
Dec 21 02:10:05 <webOSNewbie> Hmm... they could start another OS, similar to webOS, but more for appliances
Dec 21 02:10:17 <webOSNewbie> I would love a webOS washer
Dec 21 02:10:23 <webOSNewbie> If it was free
Dec 21 02:10:23 <sugardave> a toaster would be cool if you could burn a canvas image on the toast
Dec 21 02:10:28 <twbbas> Imagine taking a picture on your Pre and having it available on your printer to print out right away
Dec 21 02:10:36 <webOSNewbie> wow
Dec 21 02:10:49 <PatrickC> http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/20/touchpad-microwave-hack-finds-videos-that-end-right-when-the-popcorn-is-ready/
Dec 21 02:11:08 <PatrickC> twbbas, thats called ePrint?
Dec 21 02:11:08 <webOSNewbie> What's your favorite Christmas song?
Dec 21 02:12:09 * webOSNewbie is rofl after seeing page
Dec 21 02:12:32 <singmajesty> They should make a video toaster, for the same
Dec 21 02:12:40 <twbbas> webOSNewbie:  I'm Festive and I Know it
Dec 21 02:12:42 <singmajesty> Or maybe it could just play the NyanPad animation while it is toasting
Dec 21 02:12:49 <twbbas> Moves like Dasher
Dec 21 02:13:03 <twbbas> Everyday I'm Shoveling
Dec 21 02:13:17 <twbbas> I'd buy a nyancat toaster
Dec 21 02:13:23 <PatrickC> hey singmajesty!!! long time no see!!
Dec 21 02:14:02 <singmajesty> yo
Dec 21 02:14:05 <dwc-> nandcat > nyancat
Dec 21 02:14:34 <singmajesty> http://richd.com/nyanpad/nyanpad.gif
Dec 21 02:14:37 <singmajesty> Found it :)
Dec 21 02:14:40 <webOSNewbie> What's the longest video on youtube?
Dec 21 02:14:51 <halfhalo> oh god
Dec 21 02:14:53 <singmajesty> Probably a movie
Dec 21 02:14:56 <PatrickC> is that a touchpad in the background? :)
Dec 21 02:15:05 <singmajesty> It's a touchpad instead of a pop tart
Dec 21 02:15:06 <webOSNewbie> yep
Dec 21 02:15:10 <PatrickC> lol
Dec 21 02:15:14 <dwc-> there's a 24hr clip on youtbe I know of
Dec 21 02:15:31 <halfhalo> thats what happens when you let people do crazy stuff.  like open sourcing stuff.  crazy people.
Dec 21 02:15:41 <webOSNewbie> There's an over 300 hour video on youtube, but I wonder if there's longer
Dec 21 02:15:52 <PatrickC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=865S1zMcWMo 571 hours
Dec 21 02:16:16 <PatrickC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04cF1m6Jxu8 596 hours
Dec 21 02:16:56 <twbbas> singmajesty: ahaha, I love the moving cards! Nice touch!
Dec 21 02:19:09 <singmajesty> My favorite, though, is that the NyanCat was weaponized for Unreal Tournament 3
Dec 21 02:19:15 <singmajesty> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs-qfcfnsBw
Dec 21 02:19:15 * halfhalo goes back to the awesomeness of bf3
Dec 21 02:20:28 * webOSNewbie has two friends on IRC: himself and ChanServ
Dec 21 02:20:49 <webOSNewbie> No, actually I have more
Dec 21 02:21:10 <Tibfib_> dwc-: there's this one video of a guy counting to 100,000
Dec 21 02:21:14 <singmajesty> Okay, gotta go
Dec 21 02:21:16 <singmajesty> FYI --
Dec 21 02:21:26 <singmajesty> Anyone who is interested in webOS games, or likes Flash development --
Dec 21 02:21:28 <twbbas> Tibfib_: What the heck? Seriously?
Dec 21 02:21:29 <dwc-> ... real guy?
Dec 21 02:21:34 <singmajesty> Posted a new update of NME today
Dec 21 02:21:39 <dwc-> or cg
Dec 21 02:21:41 <webOSNewbie> NME?
Dec 21 02:21:46 <singmajesty> http://www.haxenme.org
Dec 21 02:21:47 <webOSNewbie> what's that?
Dec 21 02:21:52 <singmajesty> It's a lot like Flash...
Dec 21 02:22:04 <singmajesty> But you can publish to (no joke) Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, webOS, Flash and HTML5
Dec 21 02:22:11 <webOSNewbie> wow.
Dec 21 02:22:12 <Tibfib_> twbbas: yeah, the guy takes breaks
Dec 21 02:22:14 <singmajesty> Gets 3 to 7 times faster performance than Adobe AIR
Dec 21 02:22:18 <webOSNewbie> Can it decompile?
Dec 21 02:22:18 <Tibfib_> but he does record it
Dec 21 02:22:20 <singmajesty> And, it works on webOS!
Dec 21 02:22:24 <singmajesty> Oh, and its open source
Dec 21 02:22:30 <webOSNewbie> you rock
Dec 21 02:22:47 <singmajesty> I used it to make MineHX, Whack A Mole and Hoops
Dec 21 02:22:58 <singmajesty> Not the coolest games in the whole wide world, but I was really happy to find NME when I did
Dec 21 02:23:11 <singmajesty> (I helped port it to webOS, and have been working with it since)
Dec 21 02:23:12 <dwc-> tibfib: needs life
Dec 21 02:23:12 <PatrickC> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/12/promoroundup-videocatcher-deluxe/
Dec 21 02:23:14 <PatrickC> free apps
Dec 21 02:23:22 <PatrickC> i know thats something people like :)
Dec 21 02:23:38 <twbbas> Not me
Dec 21 02:23:41 <singmajesty> http://www.haxenme.org/showcase
Dec 21 02:24:09 <webOSNewbie> I wish there was a webOS roundup somewhere close to my house.
Dec 21 02:24:09 <twbbas> I'll let someone else use those promo codes :D I barely use my TouchPad, unfortunately...
Dec 21 02:24:13 <webOSNewbie> Like Denver
Dec 21 02:24:26 <singmajesty> Okay, goodnight everyone. Happy first-night of Hanukkah :)
Dec 21 02:24:30 <twbbas> Bye
Dec 21 02:25:07 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: wayt!
Dec 21 02:25:12 <summatusmentis> wait*
Dec 21 02:25:40 <PatrickC> night singmajesty
Dec 21 02:25:42 <dwc-> what's a webos roundup?
Dec 21 02:25:54 <dwc-> I think theres a webos meetup in den
Dec 21 02:26:43 <webOSNewbie> Promo codes taken
Dec 21 02:28:52 <PatrickC> webOSNewbie, what country?
Dec 21 02:29:05 <webOSNewbie> Denver, Colorado, US
Dec 21 02:29:20 <webOSNewbie> I'm close to denver (hour's drive to the center)
Dec 21 02:29:39 <PatrickC> lol
Dec 21 02:29:47 <dwc-> thanks for saving me the hassle of figuring out what the app does and maybe pulling out my touchpad and freetethering
Dec 21 02:29:54 <PatrickC> i just needed to know what country the codes were out for :)
Dec 21 02:30:09 <webOSNewbie> Oh.
Dec 21 02:30:13 <dwc-> the same country that always sells out first?
Dec 21 02:30:14 <webOSNewbie> Us
Dec 21 02:30:56 <webOSNewbie> I have the touchpad behind me.  My annoying little brother is playing Angry Birds on my bed.
Dec 21 02:32:41 <twbbas> addictive game
Dec 21 02:41:00 <twbbas> So who's porting their enyo apps to WP7 with enyo opensourced (soon) and PhoneGap officially available for WP7?
Dec 21 02:43:44 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas, LOLOLOLOLOL
Dec 21 02:44:11 <webOSNewbie> Eeew... Mango...
Dec 21 02:47:08 <webOSNewbie> YES!!!! My app FINALLY LOADS!!!!!
Dec 21 02:47:38 <webOSNewbie> It's about time!  It's been about 8 hours
Dec 21 02:47:46 <webOSNewbie> Probably more
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