**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 24 02:59:57 2011 Dec 24 03:13:31 anyone using the palm emulator on osx? how do i minimize a window Dec 24 03:14:29 home key Dec 24 03:16:02 macbook pro does not have a home key ;( Dec 24 03:16:28 phail Dec 24 03:33:34 esc Dec 24 03:35:34 fxspec06: my suggestion would be to find an alternative ad network or something along those lines, that doesn't mind if you write your own code to operate with it. some might even be happy to have some code for webOS. webOS developers might be happy to have it too Dec 24 03:50:55 sequel to Alien - http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/ Dec 24 03:53:27 prequel* Dec 24 04:48:21 I have an hp photosmart c4795 and I want to connect it to a wireless network Dec 24 04:48:44 how do I do this? Dec 24 04:49:27 this channel isnt tech support for your printer Dec 24 04:49:33 :( Dec 24 04:49:40 do you know what channel? Dec 24 04:50:45 your user manual? Dec 24 04:50:59 :( Dec 24 05:04:04 wrea: are you sure he didn't have a webos printer? Dec 24 05:09:47 EricBlade: also a webOS toaster and washing machine Dec 24 05:10:07 I already have claim to any joke about a webos toaster Dec 24 05:10:09 :P Dec 24 05:10:42 wrea: ok what about webOS electronic weight scales? Dec 24 05:10:50 i already have a webOS toaster, i think. I do an up-gesture on the lever, and "cards" pop up Dec 24 05:11:22 Ziomatrix, have free reign on that one Dec 24 05:11:23 EricBlade: I also hear those cards are full of flavor, but get stale quickly. I guess thats similar to some other apps then Dec 24 05:11:39 are you implying something about my apps :( Dec 24 05:11:52 if you're too heavy you'll get a TMC error Dec 24 05:12:51 EricBlade: actually tbh those pop tards never get stale, I have never seen one decompose either Dec 24 05:13:02 EricBlade: pop tarts I mean, oops :P Dec 24 05:13:37 wrea: what about webOS self checkouts for grocery stores? Dec 24 05:14:46 EricBlade: no your software is awesome, I mean those apps that are just imitations of particular websites in mobile browser mode Dec 24 05:15:06 hmm. that's.. sort of.. what mine does. :P Dec 24 05:15:51 EricBlade: well your's looks fantastic doing it and hasn't broke in compatibility, often. I shouldn't be one to talk I never developed anything past a basic HTML/CSS webpage with tables. Dec 24 05:16:36 EricBlade: does editing a repo file count? :P Dec 24 05:21:17 I'm fooling around, btw the $99 Android MIPs wonder tablet came out and its already a flop, it seems many applications are not re-compiled for MIPs: http://bit.ly/tgejF5 Dec 24 05:22:20 Perhaps this is another piece of cheap commodity hardware WebOS development can get around, it utilizes the latest MIPs architecture so who knows that other platforms this can open up, HDTVs? Dec 24 05:39:04 wow, zinio is awfully nice... first they give us $25 to start Dec 24 05:39:16 then they sent me another $10 Dec 24 05:39:33 they've got some buy-5-get-$5 thing going Dec 24 05:39:41 and a 50% off holiday sale... Dec 24 05:40:10 dwc-: what is zinio? Dec 24 05:40:34 magazines Dec 24 05:41:28 lame Dec 24 05:41:50 I'm sorry Dec 24 05:42:03 but, I don't really care what you think about magazines Dec 24 06:04:12 so i could use some community help.... i've made an app that lets boy scouts keep track of which requirements they have completed... so what should i call it? Dec 24 06:05:04 weblOS ? Dec 24 06:05:14 (is that how you spell it?) Dec 24 06:06:07 webelos is for cub scouts Dec 24 06:06:47 invalidopcode: Scout Badger Dec 24 06:06:57 thats tough...my son just kept a list on his Veer. Dec 24 06:07:05 (he is a Webelos II Dec 24 06:07:08 ) Dec 24 06:07:38 ka6sox: ah cool. is he planning on continuing onto boy scouts? Dec 24 06:07:49 wait, they have a webelos I and a II Dec 24 06:08:06 akanster: hm.... maybe... Dec 24 06:08:21 invalidopcode, yes, we are checking out troops now. Dec 24 06:08:34 Badger Badger Badger Mushroom! Dec 24 06:08:46 those sound more like academia/bigcorp positions than cub scout ranks Dec 24 06:08:50 Badgers? Dec 24 06:09:14 honey badger badger badger, mushroom mushroom? Dec 24 06:09:17 well, you can't play on the spelling of "boy scouts" and "webOS" can you? Dec 24 06:09:23 ka6sox: awesome! its alot of fun... im a Star scout but still hoping to make it all the way to eagle Dec 24 06:09:39 I made it to Life Dec 24 06:09:42 * dwc- was a boy scout drop out Dec 24 06:09:43 ran out of time. Dec 24 06:09:48 summatusmentis: webOS Scout? Dec 24 06:10:04 scoutcamper|away, is awaiting his court of honor for Eagle. Dec 24 06:10:12 ka6sox: boy scout f' life? *flashes gang sign?* Dec 24 06:10:15 ka6sox: yeah... im hoping that doesn't happen to me, i've got a year and a half Dec 24 06:10:27 my brother made it. Dec 24 06:11:21 ka6sox: cool. i hear it really helps with college stuff Dec 24 06:11:29 yup Dec 24 06:11:48 invalidopcode: perhaps, yes :) Dec 24 06:12:12 hahaha Dec 24 06:12:28 dwc-: I was in webelos for a year, wasn't my cup of tea Dec 24 06:12:41 yes, it means when you're tying people up in your dorm, you can use proper knots Dec 24 06:12:57 dwc-: awesome! :P Dec 24 06:13:48 I'd be surprised if BSing was actually what was very helpful in college stuff, rather than just being involved extracurricularly Dec 24 06:14:10 summatusmentis: i meant it helps in getting accepted into colleges Dec 24 06:14:32 right, that's my point Dec 24 06:14:37 how about "Scout Tracker"? Dec 24 06:15:14 kinda sounds like something related to a dog named scout Dec 24 06:16:00 hahaha good point Dec 24 06:16:35 oh Dec 24 06:16:37 i guess im back to "webOS Scout" Dec 24 06:17:16 I thought it was for scoutmasters to keep track of their herds Dec 24 06:17:45 WEBOyScout Dec 24 06:18:06 or some variant thereof Dec 24 06:18:23 dwc-: I didn't know all scoutmasters were required to raise sheep Dec 24 06:18:34 dwc-: naw.. not this one. i might make one for that later, but this one is for scouts to keep track of themselvs Dec 24 06:19:04 so those are the disloyal ones summatusmentis? Dec 24 06:19:24 dwc-: I didn't follow that Dec 24 06:19:38 summatusmentis: WebOScouter? Dec 24 06:19:38 do you remember what webelos stood for? Dec 24 06:20:05 dwc-: WE BE Loyal Scouts iirc Dec 24 06:20:40 yea, well at first glance to me, it looked like weboyscout was just missing the LO Dec 24 06:20:55 ooooh Dec 24 06:20:57 I see Dec 24 06:21:07 invalidopcode: I kinda like that Dec 24 06:21:18 you certainly don't have to make it a portmanteau though Dec 24 06:21:29 name it whatever you want Dec 24 06:23:30 yeah thanks for the suggestions, because i didn't have any besides like "Boy Scout Requirement Tracker" which is too long Dec 24 06:24:09 merit badging? Dec 24 06:24:50 dwc-: naww.. its not for merit badges, its just for the requirements for each rank Dec 24 06:25:18 "don't be gay" Dec 24 06:25:32 that is one of the requirements Dec 24 06:25:38 as I understand it Dec 24 06:26:08 not an explicitly stated one, but... Dec 24 06:26:27 haha Dec 24 06:45:01 invalidopcode: Badgework Dec 24 06:45:47 rwhitby: thats a pretty good idea. thanks! Dec 24 06:46:45 Badgework is good. Dec 24 06:47:13 I just hope he doesn't go for a Gung Ho Backpacker's group...my Bum knee won't keep up. Dec 24 06:47:25 s/group/troop/ Dec 24 06:49:11 haha don't like 20 bazillion mile hikes? Dec 24 06:49:27 invalidopcode, can't Dec 24 06:49:48 I went 3.5miles today with a day pack....my knee is on Ice now. Dec 24 06:51:12 ah wow. well what you do is you is you make the scouts build one of those things that they used to carry Pharaohs around on and you can just ride in it :P Dec 24 06:54:33 rwhitby: i think Badgework it shall be... so do i need to pay you trademark royalties or anything? :P Dec 24 06:55:26 invalidopcode: as a scout leader, I'm giving it to you for free, in the spirit of world-wide scouting Dec 24 06:58:20 haha thank you very much Dec 24 09:59:21 geez. i thought it was obnoxious having 5 different devices playing music all at the same time. try one device playing 5 different songs at the same time Dec 24 10:07:24 lol Dec 24 10:19:28 note to anyone who may write audio apps for phones: on 2.x and 1.x, destroying an audio component does not stop it. Dec 24 11:05:02 good lord, flash on the touchpad sucks Dec 24 11:05:36 i suppose i can just eliminate that "on the touchpad" part and it would still be true Dec 24 11:30:35 merry christmas to everyone Dec 24 11:32:17 thanks, same to you Dec 24 11:32:52 although a happy new year means more to me Dec 24 11:33:48 FELIZ NAVIDAD! Dec 24 11:34:23 happy update to 2.2.4 ! Dec 24 11:34:35 RagingMind happy new year too ;) Dec 24 11:35:14 happy new year panel Dec 24 11:35:18 and 2.2.4 on pre3 ? Dec 24 11:35:38 heh, I just decided to not update Dec 24 11:35:39 I'm waiting for Veer :) Dec 24 11:36:00 have to block it using terminal command Dec 24 11:56:51 it's not christmas yet Dec 24 11:56:55 -.- Dec 24 11:57:07 it's still 'pre'-christmas Dec 24 11:57:16 * fxspec06 ba-dum-tshh Dec 24 12:09:22 fxspec06 :)) Dec 24 12:20:35 christmas is only a little over an hour away here ... Dec 24 12:37:38 rwitby am i right that i can use these commands here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Blocking_Updates inside xterm which is a part of xecutah to avoid the 2.2.4 (and later) update(s)? Just want to be sure as a noob/novice Dec 24 12:50:23 * EricBlade1 notes that rwhitby may, in fact, be Santa Claus. Dec 24 13:14:33 BS. rwhitby can't grow a beard. Dec 24 13:14:39 =p Dec 24 13:15:03 never mind xterm. it doesn't do anything Dec 24 13:48:33 is the eclipse plugin usable to develop enyo apps? Dec 24 13:48:49 yes Dec 24 16:39:05 what html/js framework are you using for mobile apps Dec 24 16:40:31 enyo Dec 24 16:40:38 jo is too little Dec 24 16:40:42 sencha is way too much Dec 24 16:41:06 the jqTouch stuff seems to be too much html for me Dec 24 16:48:43 i looked at jo a few months back Dec 24 16:48:51 they all still require that u write html Dec 24 16:48:55 which sucks Dec 24 16:49:06 i love enyo for never having to do html unless i want to Dec 24 16:49:16 so html is bad? Dec 24 16:49:37 or you just don't like it? Dec 24 16:49:44 having to manage html AND js AND css is annoying Dec 24 16:49:49 thats how mojo was Dec 24 16:49:56 enyo lets u just write in js Dec 24 16:50:01 and make everything dynamic Dec 24 16:50:07 no need to do any html Dec 24 16:50:13 it generates all that for u Dec 24 16:50:46 how do you tweek the ui? mainly css i guess... Dec 24 16:50:52 ya Dec 24 16:51:23 i just got phonegap set up for ios Dec 24 16:51:57 may try running enyo through phonegap Dec 24 17:03:01 PuffTheMagic: I'm pretty sure jo doesn't Dec 24 17:03:15 im pretty sure it does Dec 24 17:04:02 no…. http://joapp.com/docs/#Quick Start Dec 24 17:05:16 maybe i tried something else Dec 24 17:05:33 idk Dec 24 17:05:40 yeah. jo and sencha don't use html Dec 24 17:05:47 jqTouch and jqMobile do I believe Dec 24 17:06:13 maybe it was jpMoible Dec 24 18:49:42 Hi everybody. Dec 24 18:53:10 i think i know what's causing the touchpad to lose audio! Dec 24 18:53:20 infinite scrollers! Dec 24 18:53:26 what you guys think? Dec 24 18:55:10 ex: glimpse was just open for overnight.. i come back and got the audio glitch. obv glimpse has been putting items into scroller all night long. so scroller widget must not be garbage collecting properly.. Dec 24 18:56:08 Who's know how to fix imap folders? I could get all folder except INBOX :( Dec 24 18:56:41 imap folders are working fine for me. what do you mean by you can't get inbox? Dec 24 18:57:44 I see just INBOX, and I haven't list a 15 my folders Dec 24 18:58:09 I'm use the dovecot imap serever+sieve for sorting. Dec 24 18:58:38 mine didn't sync folders the first time i added it. after like a day or so the folders showed up in mail Dec 24 18:59:23 but they are inconsistent, and show old folders that have since been removed Dec 24 18:59:32 so my answer is i don't know. Dec 24 19:01:13 Hm.... I need delete all imap folders, ande first sync, then resort my emails with new folders? Dec 24 19:02:32 i would try removing the account and re-adding. or, you can just add it again under a diff name and then delete the old one Dec 24 19:02:41 it never hurts to remove and re-add Dec 24 19:08:52 fxspec06: I've tried delete and then add account again. Not fixed :( But I'm watch all folder in roundcube and mail.app. Dec 24 19:14:07 are you sure the folders are truly on the imap server then, and not just your client? Dec 24 19:17:02 fxspec06: http://paste.org.ru/?7f2igz on the server, I can take screenshot without imap folders in the webos mail client. Dec 24 19:18:45 hmm. what email service is it? Dec 24 19:20:45 fxspec06: personal dovecot server Dec 24 19:37:27 hey guys Dec 24 19:48:44 sup sup Dec 24 19:48:57 hows it going Shiggs|MB? Dec 24 19:48:59 and no I don't have a Pre2 :P Dec 24 19:49:01 I'm great Dec 24 19:49:04 happy holidays Dec 24 19:49:27 Happy holidays (Christmas for me :) ) Dec 24 19:49:30 same Dec 24 19:49:41 Merry Christmas guys Dec 24 19:49:46 I got my dad an iPhone 4S Dec 24 19:49:50 Merry Christmas invalidopcode Dec 24 19:49:52 nice! Dec 24 19:49:57 yep Dec 24 19:50:03 I'm officially broke now Dec 24 19:50:09 im getting a Sprint Pre2 come next week lol Dec 24 19:50:15 lol cool Dec 24 19:50:27 right now im on a blackberry cause my pre- broke Dec 24 19:50:28 why not import a Pre3? xD Dec 24 19:50:34 i have one haha Dec 24 19:50:37 lol Dec 24 19:50:40 use it lol Dec 24 19:50:45 cant on sprint Dec 24 19:50:53 oh yeah it's only GSM Dec 24 19:50:53 fail Dec 24 19:51:04 I brother and I got my mom an Amazon Kindle Fire Dec 24 19:51:11 there is a vzw one, but i would have to break the law to use it iirc Dec 24 19:51:19 why not a touchpad? :P Dec 24 19:51:31 Haha I wanted to, but this was better for her Dec 24 19:51:50 ah Dec 24 19:51:58 it has no cams, but w/e Dec 24 19:52:24 she's going overseas with my dad and she'll just use her Epic 4G on WiFi when she wants to Skype me heh Dec 24 19:52:35 lol Dec 24 19:52:52 They're going to India Dec 24 19:53:03 nice! Dec 24 19:53:05 yup Dec 24 19:53:16 im leaving for FL tomorrow Dec 24 19:53:38 =o Dec 24 19:53:45 Fwowida eh Dec 24 19:53:47 lol Dec 24 19:54:50 didn't you have a sprint pre2 already? Dec 24 19:55:13 question for you guys: if you were to buy an app that had Grooveshark integrated, but Grooveshark would only be one of the many features, would you be mad if you had to pay for a Grooveshark subscription to use it? or would you be fine with that Dec 24 19:55:19 dwc-: i built my dad one Dec 24 19:55:24 i never built myself one yet Dec 24 19:55:34 FrakenPre! haha Dec 24 19:55:40 Franken* Dec 24 19:56:21 nvm about the grooveshark thing.. i just read that i have to make my users have the paid Grooveshark subscription Dec 24 20:02:15 I don't understnad the question anyways Dec 24 20:03:10 but I certainly wouldn't expect buying your app to get around the subscription fee the free grooveshark app requires Dec 24 20:04:19 with Grooveshark, their API has 3 ways to use it. 1) Put an ad where ever im using Grooveshark and give Grooveshark all the revenu .. 2) Pay per song that is played .. 3) make the users have a Grooveshark Anywhere account Dec 24 20:04:30 but for a mobile app, they have to have a grooveshark anywhere account anyway Dec 24 20:05:59 can i include PHP in an app? Dec 24 20:07:42 how would you expect to do that Dec 24 20:07:54 idk. i know nothing about PHP Dec 24 20:09:47 short answer: no. Dec 24 20:10:25 aww man.. the grooveshark JS api is only for playing/etc. i still need to use JSON for everything else Dec 24 20:10:29 and their docs arent that good imp Dec 24 20:10:31 imo* Dec 24 20:23:19 as I've read bionic C doesn't supports Linux IPC, so is it possible in android to do PIPE ? Dec 24 20:25:53 any idea ? Dec 24 21:21:37 fxspec06: you'll planing add support auto install cert via imaps? Dec 24 21:32:19 i don't understand that sentence tbh Dec 24 23:31:31 * EricBlade1 hopes that 3.0.5 fixes the auto-correction of contractions Dec 24 23:36:29 hah. my daughter got her touchpad today. she's ecstatic. Dec 24 23:45:30 Awesome Dec 24 23:48:57 i called her on skype as soon as i saw her light up online Dec 24 23:49:03 she was so geeked Dec 24 23:55:33 EricBlade1: nice! Dec 24 23:55:49 fxspec06: i'm fixed problem :) I've accept subscribe option in the dovecot lda. Dec 25 00:07:11 * EricBlade1 dances Dec 25 00:07:34 according to the "My webOS Apps" app, my apps have surpassed 1000 users Dec 25 00:07:41 or 1000 devices anyway Dec 25 00:08:09 nice! congrats! Dec 25 00:10:36 sup Dec 25 00:15:35 hey VICODAN Dec 25 00:16:17 hey PatrickC Dec 25 00:16:18 hows it going Dec 25 00:16:34 going good Dec 25 00:19:16 * PatrickC points people to #project-macaw :) its a really good channel Dec 25 00:19:21 kinda dead right now though Dec 25 00:20:23 wow, you're not even subtle Dec 25 00:21:17 we havent (afaik) pushed the version that has the link in the help scene for it yet Dec 25 00:21:24 so i dont think many people know about it Dec 25 00:21:29 the IRC channel that is Dec 25 00:21:38 okay? Dec 25 00:28:48 ♫ lovely spam, wonderful spa-a-m ♫ Dec 25 00:32:47 lol Dec 25 00:33:44 lol... Dec 25 00:51:24 Project Macaw made it to the 2011 best of list for webOS-Nation??? awesome! Dec 25 00:51:34 lets see how many votes we get :) Dec 25 00:51:49 i wish i could give it negative votes Dec 25 00:51:58 seriously? Dec 25 00:51:59 how come? Dec 25 00:56:47 :) Dec 25 01:00:02 :P Dec 25 01:02:34 ;) Dec 25 01:02:52 doesn't that just mean the person who did the nominations liked it? Dec 25 01:03:16 hm? Dec 25 01:03:29 nominations were suggested by the (dwindling) community Dec 25 01:03:55 * dwc- never heard anything about a best of Dec 25 01:04:16 oh precentral thing Dec 25 01:04:25 http://www.webosnation.com/webos-nation-best-2011-awards-now-open-nominations Dec 25 01:05:12 oil_tp: this started with me finding out that an app im working on was nominated Dec 25 01:05:20 that reminds me to make links work in enyo-wirc Dec 25 01:05:26 lol Dec 25 01:06:37 invention is necessity's bitch! Dec 25 01:08:10 * oil_tp considers buying 'I want to believe' xfiles poster Dec 25 01:08:28 and stick a webos logo on it? Dec 25 01:08:47 no Dec 25 01:08:59 lol dwc- Dec 25 01:12:21 I still have a "webOS developer" sticker on my laptop :( Dec 25 02:31:04 time to squash this bug Dec 25 02:48:31 https://gist.github.com/1518653 this is a correct layout for a button, right? Dec 25 02:48:45 withthe $L for the label? jslint hates that Dec 25 02:55:31 argh... ive determined that this code hates me lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 25 02:59:57 2011