**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 27 02:59:56 2011 Dec 27 03:00:04 oh i didn't realize, sorry i thought it was just a random forum i just now signed up Dec 27 03:00:13 i won't use it sorry Dec 27 03:00:33 developer.palm.com for building apps Dec 27 03:00:56 the other items you're looking for can be found in the app catalog using seach Dec 27 03:00:58 search Dec 27 03:00:58 webosnation.com is probably the best forum site Dec 27 03:01:35 oh I tried search but no luck Dec 27 03:02:39 I just found 3 guitar tuners in the catalog ... Dec 27 03:03:26 rwhitby is a search ninja. Dec 27 03:03:44 Tibfib_: yes, "guitar" is a ninja search term to use ... Dec 27 03:04:07 I know I wouldn't have thought of that Dec 27 03:06:16 i don't see any good ones Dec 27 03:11:16 then there must not be any that meet your requirements. there's only 10K app total for webOS. Dec 27 03:14:11 does the sdk/pdk ( explain the diff.plz) support touchpad because my virtualbox says its 1.4.5 320x480 Dec 27 03:17:44 i have the webos sdk for mac but the links in the html seem to be broken. does anyone else have this problem? Dec 27 03:17:48 any filemanagers that can go threw bluetooth device's files? Dec 27 03:19:41 Aliv3: have you done the tutorials on developer.palm.com ? Dec 27 03:21:06 the differences between the SDK and the PDK are well explained there. Dec 27 03:22:31 in fact, the first Google hit for "site:developer.palm.com sdk pdk" exactly states the difference Dec 27 03:24:51 oh didnt read whoops Dec 27 03:49:55 and that's why, you always use a note Dec 27 11:24:01 rwhitby: thanks for the advice to look at Impostah earlier, it ended up being rather informative (palm handed out a public form of their lunaservice.h for liblunaservice which allowed people to compile a 'fake' liblunaservice. One can use those functions and link against and it picks up from the real one on the device cause of dynamic linking) Dec 27 11:58:37 Brybry: those "people" would be WebOS Internals :) Dec 27 11:59:14 and yeah, that liblunaservice.h had to be extracted, it didn't come easily :) Dec 27 12:00:35 Brybry: we use that technique for a number of items for which we don't have the source Dec 27 15:31:10 good morning everyone Dec 27 16:02:09 EricBlade1 nice day Dec 27 17:29:10 are there any real docs for camera autofocus yet? Dec 27 18:31:01 hey guys Dec 27 18:38:56 hey fxspec06_ Dec 27 18:39:00 hows it going? Dec 27 18:56:23 woo i've almost got the last major function of XO working yay Dec 27 18:56:35 cool! Dec 27 18:57:35 and for the parts that work right, they all mostly work better than their android counterpart :) Dec 27 19:05:17 XO? Dec 27 19:05:45 * dwc- thinks of XO as executive officers, or XO Communications Dec 27 19:05:59 lol Dec 27 19:43:13 good evening Dec 27 19:47:51 dwc-: YAY you get the joke Dec 27 19:48:55 XO makes me think of OLPC Dec 27 19:49:18 It's a program that runs the Subsonic media server. XO is the executive officer that commands a submarine Dec 27 20:20:22 if I may be slightly annoying: zomg when are they releasing teh codez?!? Dec 27 20:31:14 shodan45: even the webOS employees have families and like to take vacation....it's true! Dec 27 20:34:08 Get back to work sugardave. Vacation is over :P Dec 27 20:34:46 nein, vacation (for me) isn't over until January 3rd Dec 27 20:35:03 :) Dec 27 20:35:08 so it's Skyrim, Starhawk, and Enyo hacking for me :) Dec 27 20:35:33 awesome Dec 27 20:35:49 Hey, this doesn't work. It doesn't error, but it doesn't play the sounds. Can anyone tell me why? (Also, how would I center the image?) Dec 27 20:35:52 http://pastebin.com/yeaMm2iE Dec 27 20:36:33 I wish I had an xbox 360, now that I am with all the cool people with HDTV's Dec 27 20:37:08 PS3 all day ;) Dec 27 20:37:13 ^ Dec 27 20:37:39 meh, doesnt really matter, I have neither :P Dec 27 20:37:42 That doesn't solve my issue, though. http://pastebin.com/yeaMm2iE doesn't play the sounds >_< Dec 27 20:38:03 Parents sent a tv for me for xmas. Dec 27 20:38:11 Then I got a Roku for xmas too Dec 27 20:38:18 sugardave: I couldn't justify buying skyrim Dec 27 20:38:21 so I bought oblivion Dec 27 20:38:34 heh, Oblivion is fun Dec 27 20:38:50 enyoNewbie: I don't think we can play .wmas ? Dec 27 20:38:59 Oh, that's the old code/ Dec 27 20:39:03 I chhanged it to .wavs. Dec 27 20:39:10 It still doesn't work, though. Dec 27 20:39:52 I'm no expert on that audio tag/sound kind, but I've only ever gotten them to work with .mp3s Dec 27 20:40:07 I'd expect it's your file paths Dec 27 20:40:15 or lack of them Dec 27 20:40:42 booyah, jukebox player working Dec 27 20:41:00 enyoNewbie: umm.. wma not supported Dec 27 20:41:01 might be better to set the src like: enyo.fetchAppRootPath() + "local/path/to/file.wav" Dec 27 20:41:10 ^^ That was old code. Dec 27 20:41:12 oh sorry i see you got over that Dec 27 20:41:15 Then I changed it to .wavs. Dec 27 20:41:37 and definitely should supply paths Dec 27 20:42:09 How would I do that, though? It's in the same directory as the index.html. Dec 27 20:42:15 And the .js. Dec 27 20:42:17 also, is your function even being called? i seem to remember that putting functions deep inside components was not even valid javascript Dec 27 20:42:37 but i was a tard then too Dec 27 20:42:40 enyoNewbie: then just something like: enyo.fetchAppRootPath() + "file.wav" Dec 27 20:44:04 hello Dec 27 20:44:23 Hello. Dec 27 20:44:35 ah Dec 27 20:44:44 Ah? Dec 27 20:44:46 you can't do the onclick like that Dec 27 20:44:58 Too much Lua for me :x Dec 27 20:44:59 you have to set it as the string name of the function you want to run Dec 27 20:45:11 onclick: "myClickFunction" Dec 27 20:45:21 then have a myClickFunction function that does the code you want Dec 27 20:46:30 So how would I call that? Like, myClickFunction: function() Dec 27 20:46:41 Or myClickFunction90 Dec 27 20:46:45 ()* Dec 27 20:46:57 no, you just write the function in the kind...then for your button's onclick, it's just the string name of the function Dec 27 20:47:10 I'm also a JS newbie. Dec 27 20:47:14 it will auto-call this.myClickFunction for you when you tap the button Dec 27 20:48:08 like after your components block: myClickFunction: function(inSender, inEvent) { //do stuff} Dec 27 20:48:26 I'm doing that. Dec 27 20:48:57 let's see your current code Dec 27 20:50:12 Updating pastebin. Dec 27 20:50:24 http://pastebin.com/yeaMm2iE Dec 27 20:50:28 :) Dec 27 20:52:16 brb Dec 27 20:53:08 enyoNewbie: it should look more like this: http://pastebin.com/Bb6kbH6e Dec 27 20:53:20 hey! :P Dec 27 20:53:25 http://pastebin.com/AzHJz8FL Dec 27 20:54:06 actually nevermind, sugardave's revision is better Dec 27 20:54:27 there are other errors I see Dec 27 20:54:47 enyoNewbie: your if conditionals are incorrect, you are doing assignment rather than comparison Dec 27 20:54:52 Yeah. this.owner no longer works with myClickFunction. Dec 27 20:55:01 Oh. Dec 27 20:55:14 you should do things like: if (someThing == someOtherThing) or use === Dec 27 20:55:39 enyoNewbie: change those this.owner.$ to just this.$ Dec 27 20:56:05 Okay. Dec 27 20:56:06 also, shouldn't there be a semicolon at the very very end? Dec 27 20:56:09 brb, updating the code. Dec 27 20:56:29 invalidopcode: syntactically, yes, but js will forgive a lot of missing semi-colons Dec 27 20:56:48 tsk tsk Dec 27 20:56:59 sugardave: ah, ok. yeah, im used to C so stuff like that sticks out to me Dec 27 20:57:09 give a man a fish, feed him for a day. teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.. Dec 27 20:57:14 that applies here somehow. Dec 27 20:57:45 heh Dec 27 20:57:51 I was thinking about that. Dec 27 20:58:18 I learn from looking at code, though. I taught myself an entire scripting language looking at other code. Dec 27 20:58:27 Anyways, I'm gonna run this now. Dec 27 20:59:48 good luck! Dec 27 21:00:05 definitely. I learn from example. Dec 27 21:00:27 =] Dec 27 21:00:49 Nooo, it doesn't work. Dec 27 21:00:55 * EricBlade learns by debugging Dec 27 21:01:03 enyoNewbie: out of curiousity, did you write all that code from scratch, or did you start modifying one of the templates? Dec 27 21:01:04 Can you remove PIN code on Pre 2? Dec 27 21:01:16 enyoNewbie: update the pastebin again Dec 27 21:01:49 Scratch. Dec 27 21:01:50 brb Dec 27 21:02:42 Updated, use the same link. Dec 27 21:03:23 enyoNewbie: are you doing this on a device or in the emulator? Dec 27 21:03:39 ah, line 55 Dec 27 21:03:45 missed a this.owner change Dec 27 21:04:06 Device. Dec 27 21:04:14 and line 59 Dec 27 21:04:21 should be: this.$.radioGroup... Dec 27 21:06:17 enyoNewbie: basically, most components you define in a kind are accessible as this.$.nameYouGaveIt for functions that are run in the scope of the kind Dec 27 21:06:28 Still no. Dec 27 21:06:46 Not working. Dec 27 21:06:54 Updated pastebin. Dec 27 21:06:59 is that the only js in your app? Dec 27 21:07:09 Other than depends, yes. Dec 27 21:07:13 would it not be nicer to do "tempVar = this.$.radioGroup..." at like line 59, then use that for comparason instead Dec 27 21:07:34 RichT23: sure, but I go with "make it work first, then optimize" :P Dec 27 21:07:42 Yep. Dec 27 21:07:53 enyoNewbie: is this the right link? http://pastebin.com/yeaMm2iE Dec 27 21:08:10 Yes. Dec 27 21:08:16 I've just been updating it. Dec 27 21:08:41 while I get a sample going, can you try an .mp3? Dec 27 21:08:47 Sure. Dec 27 21:08:53 Time to convert again... Dec 27 21:08:54 brb Dec 27 21:08:57 ok. um.. maybe you should remove line 28 and make 27 equal to "onclick: "myClickFunction" Dec 27 21:09:12 ah, good catch Dec 27 21:09:20 it has to be cased as onclick Dec 27 21:09:34 because iirc javascript is case sensitive Dec 27 21:09:39 indeed Dec 27 21:10:14 real men use html 5 audio objects Dec 27 21:10:26 that's what it is :P Dec 27 21:10:33 Tibfib_: real men use C :P Dec 27 21:10:38 without a proxy Dec 27 21:11:01 or C++ Dec 27 21:11:12 how do I play SWF files Dec 27 21:11:30 Done. Dec 27 21:11:38 enyoNewbie: did it work? Dec 27 21:11:58 Oh, wait, gotta change it in my code. Dec 27 21:12:28 enyoNewbie: see what invalidopcode said about your onclick and onClick properties ^^^^ Dec 27 21:12:34 invalidopcode : totally java and assembly is for girls and little boys Dec 27 21:13:23 Aliv3: AAAA! no java :P it burns, it burns Dec 27 21:13:59 * invalidopcode says while reading a book on Android apps (which are written in java) XP Dec 27 21:15:19 how play flash files I downloaded is there an app catalog or predate app? Dec 27 21:15:23 Java the univeraly compatable language allmost as much as c# Dec 27 21:15:58 Aliv3: you can only play swf/flash in a webview Dec 27 21:17:42 RichT23: i actually like C# for quick projects, its not that bad for Windows development Dec 27 21:18:25 Sorry bout that. Dec 27 21:18:29 Internet went down. Dec 27 21:18:59 sugarcane Dec 27 21:19:01 I forgive you Dec 27 21:19:02 , Dec 27 21:19:17 Tibfib_, forgiveness accepted. Dec 27 21:20:16 So, did anyone else see what I did wrong there? Dec 27 21:20:24 enyoNewbie: so, you want to have the user tap a radio button, then click the image to play, right? Dec 27 21:21:05 sugar Dave sorry wIRC won't let me type correctly how do I see local files like that Dec 27 21:21:19 also is there swype? Dec 27 21:22:03 not sure what swype is...for your swf, you'll need to have it an a directory accessible by your app Dec 27 21:22:24 swype is one of those virtual onscreen keyboards, iirc Dec 27 21:22:43 oooohhhh, not sure if there's something like that in PreWare or not Dec 27 21:23:01 enyoNewbie: you still haven't fixed the onclick issue Dec 27 21:23:54 dwc- yes swype is great Dave hm i have internals and predate how do I do it? Dec 27 21:24:08 EricBlade: shouldn't the CO be in command? of the vessel? :p Dec 27 21:24:36 Aliv3: well, you just search in PreWare....again, I'm not sure if that's in there or not Dec 27 21:27:52 dwc-: In smaller vessels, such as submarines and frigates, the Executive Officer also holds the position of First Lieutenant. Originally, the Second-in-Command was usually referred to as First Lieutenant (or as "Number One"), although it is becoming more common to hear the term XO. On larger ships, in which the XO holds the rank of Commander, the XO is usually referred to simply as "the Commander". The XO heads the executive departm Dec 27 21:27:58 nothing how do I do file://tmp/game.swf in the browser Dec 27 21:28:25 i think twackford is working on an app for that Dec 27 21:37:06 yea, isn't that 2nd in command? Dec 27 21:37:31 Aliv3: oh, that you can't do...I thought you were making an app to run it Dec 27 21:38:53 aw ok thanks Dec 27 22:16:52 Hello. Dec 27 22:17:52 your code was mostly working once I fixed your onclick/onClick problem Dec 27 22:18:28 Pastebin the updated code, please? Dec 27 22:19:22 this one works and will also center your button image: http://pastebin.com/csm8XLcu Dec 27 22:19:31 Okay, thanks. Dec 27 22:23:28 Can someone give me another idea of what to work on now? Dec 27 22:23:45 what are you trying to do? Dec 27 22:23:55 Anything to help me learn. Dec 27 22:25:05 I see...well, there are a million things to do :) Find a public API and write an app for it, the things you don't know/need to learn will be hitting you left and right Dec 27 22:25:42 enyoNewbie: http://www.programmableweb.com/apilist Dec 27 22:25:45 I want to start from scratch though. Dec 27 22:25:57 you can Dec 27 22:26:06 No, with enyo. Dec 27 22:26:10 your app is a scratch app that uses apis to pull data Dec 27 22:26:13 you can do that, too Dec 27 22:26:17 enyo.WebService Dec 27 22:26:20 I want to become a WebOS developer. Dec 27 22:26:27 Sounds interesting. Dec 27 22:26:35 gets data and returns the response, if it's JSON will make anobject for you, etc. Dec 27 22:26:59 I'll start looking at my reference thingy, and come back here if I need any help. Dec 27 22:27:03 Thanks :) Dec 27 22:27:11 np Dec 27 22:34:06 What does method: "POST" do? Does it add info to a website, or what? Dec 27 22:36:44 enyoNewbie: if you get bored of enyo too and want some game programming, the NME library is fun to play with Dec 27 22:37:04 I already have something for games :3 Dec 27 22:37:18 It's called Love2d, it's language is Lua. Dec 27 22:37:25 ah haha ok Dec 27 22:37:40 And I *LOVE* it. Dec 27 22:37:46 (Pun intended) Dec 27 22:38:16 enyoNewbie: HTTP method Dec 27 22:38:25 google up http get post Dec 27 22:40:08 db8 indexing for queries could be easier, sheesh :/ Dec 27 22:49:34 jeeez there's a lot of bugs in this app. :( Dec 27 22:50:42 if i ever make enough off of this app to account for all the debugging time, i'll be surprised Dec 27 22:51:37 programming: the art of opening a text editor, and creating bugs Dec 27 22:53:11 EricBlade: what app? Dec 27 22:53:56 invalidopcode: the music player i'm workign on Dec 27 22:54:08 ah Dec 27 22:54:19 you'd look at this and think "just how many bugs -can- a music player have?" and i'd answer .. "all of them." Dec 27 22:56:37 How can I change the max size of an input? Dec 27 22:56:49 Like make it 10 pixels tall, and 500 wide? Dec 27 22:56:51 haha actually i just helped out the amarok project (a linux music player) with going through bug reports, and there were alot more than would have thought for music player Dec 27 22:58:45 How can I size an input kind? Dec 27 22:58:57 Like, 10px tall, and 500px wide? Dec 27 23:00:57 enyoNewbie: style: "height: 10px; width: 100px"? Dec 27 23:02:55 Thanks. Dec 27 23:07:33 enyoNewbie: no problem. but remember, alot of this stuff is standard javascript and google is your friend :P Dec 27 23:08:03 I do <3 google. Dec 27 23:09:56 invalidopcode: there's a lot of bugs for most every KDE project, 90% are either dups or invalid. That's what happens when the crash dialog has a report crash bug ;) Dec 27 23:10:52 hahaha Dec 27 23:11:17 rrix: haha yeah, that is true, those were more like wishlist items, but im seeing the crash report ones now as im going through bugs for gwenview Dec 27 23:11:38 * rrix should triage for a while since he's too tired to code Dec 27 23:11:51 been a while since I"ve triaged plasma Dec 27 23:13:29 Well, I G2G. Dec 27 23:13:36 Thanks for all your help, guys :) Dec 27 23:18:02 haha rrix. im doing it as part of a google code-in task Dec 27 23:18:13 ah, nice. :) Dec 27 23:18:25 * rrix did GSOC summer before last for KDE Dec 27 23:18:46 cool. what did you do for them? Dec 27 23:18:56 Some work on Kontact that never actually got merged. :\ Dec 27 23:19:10 I could probably start it from scratch and do it a lot better Dec 27 23:19:12 brb Dec 27 23:22:14 ah cool Dec 27 23:23:41 there wasn't a way to update the alarms on the phones programatically, right? Dec 27 23:24:10 hi Dec 27 23:24:57 hello PaNeL Dec 27 23:26:25 madnificent: what do you mean? Dec 27 23:27:03 if I understand properly, yes, there is a way. Dec 27 23:27:12 Tibfib_: i was thinking it if it'd be easy to update the alarms of the clock app Dec 27 23:27:20 oh. Dec 27 23:27:22 damn, i can almost type Dec 27 23:27:39 if that would be easy, then i could write a sleepyti.me like application. Dec 27 23:27:43 I was thinking about service request alarms Dec 27 23:27:56 ah yeah, i knew that was possible Dec 27 23:28:04 i could do it that way also, but i don't like it when things aren't integrated. Dec 27 23:28:51 it wouldn't be a problem if this'd be governed by something that's not allowed in the app catalog. with webos open sourcing i care less about getting things in the official app catalog. Dec 27 23:31:59 hmm, well you may be able to get access to the db or whatever stores the alarms Dec 27 23:32:06 * EricBlade hopes that the we'll be able to adjust the operating system in ways that make it so that the app catalog can be opened up to stuff that traditionally has not been allowed Dec 27 23:33:07 * EricBlade also hopes, on the other hand, that we don't end up with an app catalog littered with apps that "REQUIRE ROOT ACCESS" in the title. Dec 27 23:33:30 is there any wa to lock screen rotation on phone? Dec 27 23:35:17 EricBlade: how would such an opened app catalog differ from Preware ? Dec 27 23:35:44 (note that HP will never allow that stuff in an official HP app catalog, due to security and liability issues) Dec 27 23:36:35 rwhitby: i'm thinking particularly about all those wonderful services that we can't currently make use of Dec 27 23:37:01 http://www.canistream.it/ Dec 27 23:37:46 EricBlade: additional services I can see happening. root access I cannot. Dec 27 23:38:13 IMO, the permissions APIs need to be enhanced to allow greater access by apps to services that we can't use at the moment, as well as hopefully providing more services and/or APIs Dec 27 23:40:08 what's new guys? Dec 27 23:41:31 like, i have this ridiculous little thing i wrote that sits in the notification bar, and gives you a button to turn off automatic screen locking. I find it of great use while I'm programming. Can't catalog it, because it requires access to the service that deals with screen states. Dec 27 23:41:35 EricBlade: with the possible result that we end up like android. "you want to use this timer app? you give up: who you are, where you are, your contacts, your email address, your ..., ..." Dec 27 23:42:54 madnificent: We've already got a better framework for getting permissions than Android does. And I don't propose that we open the entire thing wide Dec 27 23:43:12 EricBlade: just stating my fears, that's it. Dec 27 23:43:25 not saying that it's wrong or bad. in fact, i think i'd like it. Dec 27 23:43:49 EricBlade: can you somehow provide it? for me it's important thing Dec 27 23:44:15 For sure. I'm totally mindful of that, that we don't want to give programs wholesale access to certain datas to do whatever they want with it Dec 27 23:44:26 like Preware ;) Dec 27 23:45:14 but it's like completely retarded, no offense to any fellow retards, that you can't write an alarm clock program that ensures that it's volume is maximum. Dec 27 23:46:45 actually, the permissions should be arranged on a per-app basis and the user should be able to control them even after he installed the application. Dec 27 23:47:15 absolutely, and it needs to do like it already does of popping up a big giant warning "X APP WANTS Y PERMISSION, DO YOU ALLOW THIS?!" like Windows Vista Dec 27 23:47:18 applications should request access to a service with a specific key, and the service should check if the user has granted access for that service. Dec 27 23:47:38 .enyo-grouped-toolbutton-dark has no border image :/ Dec 27 23:47:42 not quite "You have tapped a button. Cancel or Allow?" like Windows Vista, but ... Dec 27 23:47:52 EricBlade: no, when you install it you could select all permissions you want to give it. the application knows what it may use, so it can tell the user what it would prefer to have. Dec 27 23:48:14 well, that's what leads to the Android problem Dec 27 23:48:26 care to elaborate? Dec 27 23:48:49 i mean, android has the issue of requesting everything i want. if i don't allow it, i have to remove the application... Dec 27 23:49:02 I don't know if you can select in Android (stock) what permissions to give an app, but at least when you go ot install one, it does present a list of what that app wants Dec 27 23:49:14 i know in the CM7 stuff, you can deny permissions to an app Dec 27 23:49:35 but, the problem starts when you're just presented with this list, and people ignore that list, and accept it Dec 27 23:50:03 EricBlade: the android issue, in my eyes, is that each application wants to know your life, before you can start using it. Dec 27 23:50:08 * invalidopcode didn't know WebOS had a permissions system for app until EricBlade mentioned it Dec 27 23:50:34 EricBlade: not that i'm shown the list of things it will need. Dec 27 23:50:36 invalidopcode: i think it's only used for Location (and I think it can be ignored by not nice apps) and Media Indexer Dec 27 23:52:31 madnificent: if the Android install gave you a list of all permissions that each app needed, with all of them by default unselected and not available, and then when the app actually needed to use the permission, the OS prompted you for approval, then I think that would almsot solve the Android problem, except for people that just mindlessly tap "ALLOW" Dec 27 23:52:40 EricBlade: yeah, i looked it up, i see now Dec 27 23:54:31 EricBlade: i think there are two issues with the android concept: A) the mindset of the devs of android apps, assuming that they need to know the life of their users B) users not being able to remove single permissions. Dec 27 23:55:48 yo Dec 27 23:56:47 agree, don't like this android permissions concept Dec 27 23:57:24 first thing when I got my first android, wher I can manage permissions in app settings Dec 27 23:57:32 *where Dec 27 23:58:42 the default status for permissions needs to be not allowed Dec 27 23:59:51 at least for anything that has access to data Dec 28 00:00:44 something relatively minor, like my screen lock state or volume examples, probably doesn't matter if it's default allowed or not, as people aren't going to use those sorts of things maliciously, or if they are they are ... really .. really.. dumb. Dec 28 00:04:21 going sleep, nice day guys Dec 28 00:07:44 EricBlade: yes, because someone could make your screen turn on...... and stay on. Thats one evil virus right there Dec 28 00:09:22 the system imo needs to give up some of it's security advantages to be able to get the apps that users want Dec 28 00:09:47 i want an alarm clock that doesn't care if i left the volume muted when i passed out in a drunken stupor Dec 28 00:10:22 or that i cranked the master volume but left the media volume at nil Dec 28 00:10:43 even the Palm alarm clock doesn't do that Dec 28 00:10:56 EricBlade: or make a "find my device" kindof app, that would be helpful to turn the volume up Dec 28 00:11:08 EricBlade: how about this: device-wide defaults for apps. things you state you'll allow by default unless you state otherwise. set some sensible defaults in there when the device is first used. when the application is installed and needs different things (i'm assuming privacy-centric things are the biggest burden for users), then you'll make them say that they'll allow it. Dec 28 00:11:36 oh yeah, that's something that Apple needs to implement into their "find my iPod" thing, because it's useless if the volume is off Dec 28 00:11:46 but i DO have an alarm clock for my iPod that doesn't care if I left the volume off Dec 28 00:12:12 yeah, EricBlade probably if the system should give up security advantages, it should be the user's decision to Dec 28 00:13:21 i unfortunately don't have an answer to the problem of contact access. For my own apps, I would be fine with the current model, but with better search and limitations .. but there are lots of other types of apps that would want/need wholesale contact information Dec 28 00:17:12 like, WatsApp used to make a huge selling point about their app automatically searching your contacts list to locate your friends. It looks like they completely re-wrote their website recently to remove that though Dec 28 00:18:41 but my apps that needs contact information, would be quite happy with the existing model, which is present a list of contacts via the operating system, and only allow access to the information given for whatever contacts the user selects from the list. Dec 28 00:18:53 the problem is, that the list can only be filtered by "all", "favorite", or "online" Dec 28 00:21:11 if I could get the Contacts UI to give me the Name, Emails, and Phone Numbers, only for contacts that actually have Phone Numbers listed, then i'd be all set. But, since I can't do that, I have not implemented webOS contacts into my app, because I personally have over 800 contacts in my list, with only 10% of them having actual phone numbers Dec 28 00:21:48 i don't even want all the information in bulk, the limitation of making the user select which contacts to give me info on individually is fine Dec 28 00:22:36 the contacts are handled extremely sexy imo. in tasks@hand i only have a handle to the contact, i don't know who it is exactly nor can i read any of their preferences. but my users can link contacts the way they were supposed to be linked. really inec. Dec 28 00:22:41 s/inec/nice/ Dec 28 00:31:12 hi Dec 28 00:31:40 i am not able to play online divx files, is there a way to setup the divx codec for browser Dec 28 01:23:33 howdy Dec 28 01:49:57 hmm. i cannot get logs to view from my PC on my pre2 anymore :( Dec 28 01:51:49 and my app even though it takes almost no time to render at all is taking forever to display itself .. ugh Dec 28 01:52:42 * DarkdowN fingers crossed that the VzPre2 will offer an OTA to 2.2.4.. Dec 28 01:55:00 and it's blown 70% of it's battery in the last hour.. wth?! Dec 28 01:56:24 some days i get unbelievable battery drain.. Dec 28 01:56:55 wow experiencing massive hardware failure here for some reason Dec 28 01:57:21 it's generating a massive amount of heat, and it's searching for cell, wifi, and bluetooth won't turn on .. Dec 28 02:00:10 any thoughts on lungojs Dec 28 02:00:11 ? Dec 28 02:01:02 sounds crazy Dec 28 02:02:43 isn't he a hockey player? Dec 28 02:07:55 haha Dec 28 02:08:34 yeah I have a lot of hw failure.. but mine is usually heat generating and flakey usb, not the others Dec 28 02:12:30 dwc-: I need more veers (and pre3s) heh.. Dec 28 02:14:32 * DarkdowN is really tired of his pre3 constantly booting.. with that ugly hp logo worst of all! ich Dec 28 02:14:35 (flashing) Dec 28 02:14:55 just pretend it's for harry potter... Dec 28 02:20:18 ? Dec 28 02:20:22 oh Dec 28 02:20:44 that's the minor of the two issues :) Dec 28 02:20:56 (and that one is more easily resolvable :) Dec 28 02:23:24 Hello. Dec 28 02:24:01 Whenever I try to render a VFlexLayout into the body of index.html, it doesn't work. At all. Dec 28 02:26:36 I get the error: [20111227-21:15:50.120086] error: Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'renderInto', index.html:9 Dec 28 02:27:11 When I try to use new Group().renderInto(document.body) Dec 28 02:27:23 I define Group as a VFlexLayout. Dec 28 02:28:46 Anyone? Usually 6 minutes is well past a good time for you guys. Dec 28 02:31:11 so pre3 worth getting for $150? Dec 28 02:31:14 on att Dec 28 02:31:51 I have no clue, but go verizon. Dec 28 02:31:59 :P Dec 28 02:32:43 enyoNewbie: you using enyo? Dec 28 02:32:57 Why can't I use new Group().renderInto(document.body) when I define Group with enyo.kind({layoutKind: "VFlexLayout", name: "Group"}) Dec 28 02:32:58 Yes. Dec 28 02:33:22 ^^ frustrates me so! Dec 28 02:33:41 visionary: definitely Dec 28 02:34:00 DarkdowN: thanks Dec 28 02:34:16 DarkdowN, can you help me 3=? Dec 28 02:34:24 picking on up brand new in box in a couple of days Dec 28 02:34:40 The average price of a Pre3 had been steadily falling, but it seems to be going back up.. I had been selling them for ~$160-180 when I found out others were buying them for 3-400$! eek Dec 28 02:35:10 visionary: nice! Tell it I said hi :) Dec 28 02:35:10 have a good night Dec 28 02:35:16 :) Dec 28 02:35:17 enyoNewbie: if only! Dec 28 02:36:52 moo. Dec 28 02:37:08 The webOS! Dec 28 02:37:51 The webOS? Dec 28 02:38:03 The webOS!! Dec 28 02:38:14 The webOS!!! =3 Dec 28 02:38:28 I am still a newbie though 3= Dec 28 02:38:55 It frustrates me so, all my errors. Dec 28 02:39:03 you picked the right platform. The sky's the limit! Dec 28 02:39:18 try/catch ftw Dec 28 02:39:19 yeah. you don't wnana dev for the other platforms Dec 28 02:39:26 We did, I can't wait till webOS moves to computers. Dec 28 02:39:42 even Printers! Dec 28 02:39:47 speaking of.. Dec 28 02:40:45 When I try to render a VFlexLayout into document.body using new Group().renderInto(document.body) it does not work 3=. Is there a reason why, or does my device not like me? Dec 28 02:40:57 Trust me, it does NOT like me at all. Dec 28 02:41:33 My error: error: Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'renderInto', index.html:9 Dec 28 02:43:26 did you include enyo? and make sure to name your kind Dec 28 02:43:42 I did. Dec 28 02:43:45 DarkdowN: well, if you just can't stand it anymore, i could use a P3 Dec 28 02:43:57 enyoNewbie: VFlexBox not VFlexLayout Dec 28 02:44:05 I'll try that. Dec 28 02:44:12 kind: "VFlexBox" Dec 28 02:44:21 ah yeah i missed that. VFlexBox is a noun, VFlexLayout is an adjective Dec 28 02:44:36 EricBlade: trust me, you don't want this pre3 :) Dec 28 02:44:37 you are correct that VFlexLayout is used for the layoutKind property Dec 28 02:44:51 but i think you want to declare a box first, it's safe that way Dec 28 02:45:14 and I chose it, I just am frustrated about the failed OTA,inability to stay logged into my profile, and sudden need to doctor (see OTA earlier) Dec 28 02:45:30 DarkdowN: but it will go nicely with my Pre-, Pre+, and Pre2 Dec 28 02:45:40 it's whole family is here waiting Dec 28 02:46:20 EricBlade: http://forums.webosnation.com/attachments/marketplace/62755d1323147548t-fs-palm-pre3s-veers-pre_2011-12-05-194416.jpg Dec 28 02:47:10 I just sold my last Pixi, afterwards I realized I should have kept it to keep the family.. I don't have a Pre- either.. and my friend has my last veer Dec 28 02:49:11 I <3 programming/developing. Dec 28 02:49:15 =) Dec 28 02:49:54 me too, but i'm about to hate it for today Dec 28 02:50:25 there's parts i don't like about programming Dec 28 02:51:04 my gf makes a great beta tester because she can't remember how to operate my software from day to day.. lol Dec 28 02:51:17 she makes a terrible beta tester because she can't remember what she did 2 seconds ago to break something Dec 28 02:51:30 lol Dec 28 02:51:48 solution: don't write code that breaks =) Dec 28 02:58:21 i re-wrote a huge amount of the interface to my player in the last couple hours.. i'm actually feeling a bit worn out from programming. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 28 02:59:57 2011