**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 28 02:59:57 2011
Dec 28 03:01:53 * sugardave realizes the sorting for his DbList isn't actually working.
Dec 28 03:04:23 * EricBlade takes a break from programming and helpfully resorts sugardave's DbList
Dec 28 03:07:55 <fxspec06_> i'm worn out from trying to get this android VM to work. that's a diff worn out, but same in nature
Dec 28 03:08:09 <fxspec06_> good thing is i actually got it to work tho
Dec 28 03:09:28 <DarkdowN> dalvik on webOS? /me perks up
Dec 28 03:17:55 * DarkdowN wonders if "box.net" is short for "doctor storage" :)
Dec 28 03:17:59 <sugardave> EricBlade: I'm sure it has to do with my lack of understanding of how to set up indexes correctly...I'm moving on to something else
Dec 28 03:32:19 <DarkdowN> damn opt-sym-u only works when luna's alive? what a scam.. ;)
Dec 28 03:36:53 <invalidopcode> fxspec06_: you're working on dalvik on webos? or just android in general
Dec 28 03:44:58 <DarkdowN> ooo there is a VzPre3 doctor, i wonder if I should... (for fun)
Dec 28 03:57:29 <dwc-> I thought you sold that one too
Dec 28 03:58:55 <DarkdowN> dwc-: I don't remember saying that.. I've flirted with selling it though..
Dec 28 03:59:56 <DarkdowN> arg! ATTpre3 doctor fail..
Dec 28 04:01:03 <rwhitby> dawm: ping
Dec 28 04:09:54 <DarkdowN> oh, forgot to ask how to save package list in preware from CLI before doctoring.. blurg
Dec 28 04:10:18 <dwc-> ls /media/cryptofs/apps/....
Dec 28 04:17:48 <DarkdowN> dwc-: umm.. not quite the same thing :)
Dec 28 04:35:06 <DarkdowN> ok about that time..
Dec 28 07:48:00 <DarkdowN> howdy..
Dec 28 07:48:17 <DarkdowN> so I doctored my pre3 (again), but I'm unable to login.. help? :(
Dec 28 07:50:14 <DarkdowN> s/login/sign-in.. At least this time it doesn't log me out afterwards?  (Nope that's not my takeaway silver lining :).  AT&T Pre3, 2.2.4.. oh, so if you keep hitting 'try again' it'll work? or maybe it requires one to complain on irc first.. :)
Dec 28 07:50:23 <panel> hello
Dec 28 07:50:36 <DarkdowN> hi!
Dec 28 07:51:24 <DarkdowN> man it's so amazing that we don't have ads on Pandora (on webOS).. wonder why so lucky!  (annoying in android.. yesterday it asked me to download the BoA iPhone app to have fewer ads! stupid.. :)
Dec 28 07:52:12 <panel> DarkdowN have you tried to make full erase after doctoring ?
Dec 28 07:52:30 <DarkdowN> that's against my religion
Dec 28 07:52:38 <DarkdowN> damn I did mean to try wiping that .palm directory, forgot..
Dec 28 07:52:45 <panel> on my Pre2 helped to solve some strange things
Dec 28 07:52:58 <panel> after update to 2.2.4
Dec 28 07:56:22 <DarkdowN> luckily on my pre2 it wiped the entire device on doctor.. (lucky? not! heh..)
Dec 28 08:03:36 <panel> can anybody recomend me place to buy touchpad touchstone ?
Dec 28 08:04:48 <rrix> the bays of E
Dec 28 08:04:58 <panel> :)
Dec 28 08:05:33 <DarkdowN> oo, the elusive place..
Dec 28 08:06:16 <DarkdowN> oh I was so hoping 2.2.4 would fix pre3 lagginess. eh, wishes may come.. (or go! :)
Dec 28 08:06:32 <rrix> DarkdowN: The backups you made of the backups you had of the pre2 are backed up right? :P
Dec 28 08:07:08 <DarkdowN> rrix: no.. but my pre3 is the backup of my pre2, so I think i'm okay.. (I hope I backed up my pix!)
Dec 28 08:07:46 <DarkdowN> :)
Dec 28 08:07:54 <DarkdowN> is the hp store out of touchstones?
Dec 28 08:08:09 * rrix lost a /media/internal about a month ago
Dec 28 08:08:36 <rrix> didn't even doctor, the phone just turned on one afternoon and was like "heh, I'm gonna delete everything and reload your profile now, brb."
Dec 28 08:09:02 <DarkdowN> I hear that.. but it didn't wipe my media/internal when it signed me out, huh..
Dec 28 08:10:01 <DarkdowN> panel:touchstones are $50 w/ FSS on hp's website, you could probably find a 10-15 (dollar or %? I forget) coupon code somewhere.. maybe check slickdeals
Dec 28 08:13:13 <jrabbit> :\
Dec 28 08:13:18 <panel> hmm
Dec 28 08:13:25 <panel> but if the ship to eu
Dec 28 08:13:26 <jrabbit> they need to get cheaper
Dec 28 08:13:34 <jrabbit> the ones for the pre are like 10$
Dec 28 08:13:39 <DarkdowN> panel: oh, you're in Eu, sorry about that!
Dec 28 08:13:46 <panel> np
Dec 28 08:13:54 <panel> i will order via ebay
Dec 28 08:14:10 <panel> about $60 with shipping
Dec 28 08:14:13 <DarkdowN> jrabbit: the Pre ones are like < $5, but they're just slightly different.. :)
Dec 28 08:14:26 <jrabbit> how so other than size?
Dec 28 08:14:26 <panel> and about $80 with cover
Dec 28 08:14:55 <DarkdowN> lol
Dec 28 08:15:30 <DarkdowN> oh i never noticed that they sell the Dr. Dre headphones on hp's website.. $300?!  holy shit.. I saw HP giving out those headphones with Veers and touchpads.. man now i wish that was me!
Dec 28 08:16:13 <DarkdowN> even on that pre2 it wiped, it had problems reloading applications.. (ironically even hp's own Maps app is annoying!)
Dec 28 13:43:26 <dawm> rwhitby, you pinged?
Dec 28 14:43:33 <fxspec06> time to work on webos wild'n
Dec 28 14:49:36 <fxspec06> oh hey, virtualbox has a 'scale mode'
Dec 28 14:49:44 * fxspec06 never knew nor noticed
Dec 28 14:58:19 <fxspec06> Thankfully, wild'n webOS needs minimal work done to it =[
Dec 28 14:58:22 <fxspec06> =P*
Dec 28 15:08:51 <panel> fxspec06 hi
Dec 28 15:08:58 <fxspec06> how does Mojo store cookies?
Dec 28 15:09:24 <fxspec06> basically i need to check if an old mojo cookie exists, and load it, without using mojo.
Dec 28 15:10:04 <panel> umm, don't know
Dec 28 15:10:14 <panel> but good quesiton
Dec 28 15:10:14 <panel> :)
Dec 28 15:11:40 <fxspec06> lol. i think enyo.getCookie() will do what i want
Dec 28 15:11:55 <panel> :)
Dec 28 15:12:10 <panel> it can be same place
Dec 28 15:18:45 <fxspec06> now i need to test this.
Dec 28 15:19:01 <fxspec06> if it works, i can submit =) [that was easy]
Dec 28 15:22:25 <fxspec06> of course, nothing ever works first try. right?
Dec 28 15:24:20 <panel> :)
Dec 28 15:35:31 <fxspec06> aha
Dec 28 15:35:42 <fxspec06> mojo_cookie_cookieName
Dec 28 15:35:45 <fxspec06> ;)
Dec 28 15:36:14 <fxspec06> so mojo cookies are only different from normal cookies in the sense that they append "mojo_cookie_" to the name prefix.
Dec 28 15:39:06 <panel> and you can read it from enyo adding prefix ?
Dec 28 15:39:15 <fxspec06> i'm about to find out
Dec 28 15:40:44 <fxspec06> answer: yes
Dec 28 15:40:50 <fxspec06> definitely, yes
Dec 28 15:41:00 <Tibfib_> haxor
Dec 28 15:41:35 <dawm> http://www.fathomevents.com/concerts/event/chemicalbrothers.aspx
Dec 28 15:56:50 <panel> have to go home from work
Dec 28 15:56:52 <panel> bye
Dec 28 15:59:44 <fxspec06> oh hell yes. i've got wild'n upgrade-able from previous versions.
Dec 28 16:26:25 <akanster> http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/YISP-2011/YISP-2011-00.ss_full.jpg - awesome pic
Dec 28 16:28:40 <fxspec06> omg
Dec 28 16:39:39 <IceXtreme> interesting
Dec 28 17:26:45 <fxspec06> oh damn. hmm. how to install 'maps' in a emulator
Dec 28 17:27:06 * fxspec06 forgot about that
Dec 28 17:29:55 <fxspec06> or create an enyo install package
Dec 28 17:30:00 <fxspec06> *sigh* i need a break.
Dec 28 17:54:31 <Brybry> why is windows so terrible =(
Dec 28 17:55:02 <fxspec06> to get to the other side?
Dec 28 17:55:33 <Brybry> plug my touchpad in and turn on USB mode and it gives it the same drive letter as my SSD and acts like my SSD no longer exists (until a reboot)
Dec 28 17:55:41 <fxspec06> lol
Dec 28 17:55:57 <Brybry> why do drive letters even exist ._.
Dec 28 17:56:18 <fxspec06> prefix
Dec 28 17:56:19 <sugardave> 26 drives are enough for anyone
Dec 28 17:56:55 <fxspec06> if your drive is named "Super Awesome Mega Drive", a drive letter is far easier to type out
Dec 28 17:57:07 <fxspec06> D:/ opposed to Super Awesome Mega Drive:/
Dec 28 17:57:51 <Brybry> they could make them aliases that don't break things if they are the same
Dec 28 17:57:55 <fxspec06> but then i ask what version of windows you are running, and have you installed the latest updates..
Dec 28 17:58:21 <fxspec06> i've never had that happen to me
Dec 28 17:58:22 <Tibfib_> fxspec06: well played ^^
Dec 28 17:58:35 <Brybry> linux's /dev/sda etc is so much better =(
Dec 28 17:59:03 <dwc-> Brybry: go into disk management
Dec 28 17:59:09 <dwc-> you can reassign the drive letters
Dec 28 17:59:11 <Brybry> hmm, I did and manually reassigned it
Dec 28 17:59:22 <dwc-> I haven't had mine ever overwrite though
Dec 28 17:59:23 <Brybry> it's more a 'this is dumb that one even has to do this'
Dec 28 17:59:53 <Brybry> could be a bug with hotplugging
Dec 28 18:00:51 <Brybry> that port has hotplugging enabled but I didn't actually do any hotplugging to run into that
Dec 28 18:04:01 <fxspec06> did you remember to submit a report to MS =P
Dec 28 18:47:00 <webOSNewbie> Is there a tool that lets you use the App Catalog on unactivated phones?
Dec 28 18:53:29 <fxspec06> yes. it's called "impostah" and you can find it in preware
Dec 28 18:53:44 <webOSNewbie> Thanks
Dec 28 18:54:35 <Tibfib_> well you can't pay for apps using impostah
Dec 28 18:54:45 <webOSNewbie> oh.
Dec 28 18:54:53 <Tibfib_> you need to create a profile
Dec 28 18:54:57 <fxspec06> right, but you can create a profile
Dec 28 18:54:58 <Tibfib_> then you can purchase apps
Dec 28 18:55:02 <Tibfib_> bingo
Dec 28 18:55:03 <fxspec06> or sign in
Dec 28 18:55:05 <webOSNewbie> okay
Dec 28 18:57:40 <webOSNewbie> I heard a rumor that Palm OS apps run on webOS.  Is this true?
Dec 28 18:58:24 <rrix> they did Back in the Day
Dec 28 18:58:40 <rrix> Palm killed off that emulator in the transition from 1.4.x to 2.x
Dec 28 18:58:57 <webOSNewbie> Nothing Preware?
Dec 28 19:00:16 <rrix> There were some things to get the ROM back in 2.x, but it's useless unless you purchased the emulator when it was in the catalog
Dec 28 19:00:38 <webOSNewbie> How much did it cost?
Dec 28 19:00:48 <rrix> I don't remember. It's not for sale now though, regardless
Dec 28 19:01:18 <webOSNewbie> need to go
Dec 28 19:01:35 <rrix> https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=webos+palmos+emulator <
Dec 28 19:01:36 <rrix> oh
Dec 28 19:01:39 <rrix> okay
Dec 28 19:01:41 <rrix> that's cool too
Dec 28 19:01:51 <rrix> I'll teach you how to google another time.
Dec 28 19:10:35 <fxspec06> is there any way to listen for back gesture w/o enyo
Dec 28 19:11:22 <fxspec06> like document.addEventListener("enyo.ApplicationEvents.back", goBack);
Dec 28 19:30:26 <fxspec06> i can't get this back gesture to recognize.
Dec 28 19:30:28 <fxspec06> =[
Dec 28 19:35:52 <fxspec06> i really don't get what i'm doing wrong, either. this is the simplest code ever
Dec 28 19:37:05 <fxspec06> http://pastebin.com/uRx94A1q grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Dec 28 19:42:45 <fxspec06> oh wow i think i know why, too.
Dec 28 19:42:53 <fxspec06> and i may not be able to work around it
Dec 28 19:44:31 <fxspec06> nope j/k. yeah i have no clue why onBack isn't working. esp since it works fine in this other app i have
Dec 28 19:47:18 <EricBlade1> w/o enyo :O
Dec 28 19:47:33 <fxspec06> maybe it is because it's not rendered into the document ? so i have to create an invisible view
Dec 28 19:48:29 * EricBlade1 doesn't know how to do anything w/o enyo
Dec 28 19:48:35 * EricBlade1 doesn't know how to do very much with enyo
Dec 28 19:49:55 <fxspec06> lol. well i mean like, not even w/o enyo, just add an event listener for a back gesture.
Dec 28 19:50:08 <fxspec06> but there is no api for that. so i assume no way to do w/o mojo
Dec 28 19:50:13 <fxspec06> i guess i could always load mojo
Dec 28 19:50:19 <fxspec06> but i really don't want to do that
Dec 28 19:50:22 <Tibfib_> that'd be lame
Dec 28 19:50:54 <Tibfib_> do you get the create function to log?
Dec 28 19:51:03 <fxspec06> yep. create logs just fine
Dec 28 19:56:16 <EricBlade1> lolwut http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/20111020155824.jpg/
Dec 28 20:03:36 <oclet> whats going on in this jpg
Dec 28 20:06:03 <fxspec06> there is a big screen running webos
Dec 28 20:06:17 <fxspec06> and it looks like it's going to fall over.
Dec 28 20:07:32 <Brybry> 84 missed calls
Dec 28 20:07:47 <Brybry> or maybe 64
Dec 28 20:07:49 <Brybry> hard to tell
Dec 28 20:12:31 <fxspec06> ugh idk about this back gesture thing.
Dec 28 20:12:45 <fxspec06> may have to go the mojo route
Dec 28 20:24:25 <fxspec06> ugh the whole point of this was to NOT use Mojo. but the pre screen is too small to rely on my tiny buttons and provide a decent user experience.
Dec 28 20:45:31 <fxspec06> okay, i can't use mojo. it requires too much modification
Dec 28 20:47:05 <PuffTheMagic_> Brybry: did u ever get me your email so I can add u to the wTerm build folder on box.net
Dec 28 20:55:01 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic_: it's in a PM
Dec 28 20:55:59 * trout drools for wterm.
Dec 28 20:56:28 <PuffTheMagic_> invited
Dec 28 20:56:40 <PuffTheMagic_> trout: give me an email if u want access to the box.net folder
Dec 28 20:56:52 <PuffTheMagic_> it will be in preware as soon as i work out some autobuilder issues
Dec 28 20:58:06 <PuffTheMagic_> Brybry: trout invited
Dec 28 21:00:13 <PuffTheMagic_> i dont want bug reports yet, esp things related to vt compliance
Dec 28 21:00:20 <PuffTheMagic_> but feature requests are ok
Dec 28 21:00:24 <PuffTheMagic_> put them on github
Dec 28 21:00:29 <trout> ok
Dec 28 21:00:30 <PuffTheMagic_> make sure u dont add a duplicate
Dec 28 21:03:56 <EricBlade1> jeebus wat is wrong with my pre 2 .. just took it off the charger after 12 hrs, it's at 68% and burning up
Dec 28 21:08:55 * EricBlade1 just drools
Dec 28 21:13:41 <EricBlade1> ok something very very weird going on, my Pre2 at 68% after charging for 12 hrs, my Pre- at power-off but full charge after several days ....
Dec 28 21:16:48 <EricBlade1> pre- freshly booted, refuses to set log level
Dec 28 21:32:59 <Brybry> hmm, something is remounting / rw on boot
Dec 28 21:33:01 <Brybry> how to find out what
Dec 28 21:33:06 <Brybry> lots of grepping I guess
Dec 28 21:36:53 <EricBlade> yay grep!
Dec 28 21:49:00 <fxspec06> what version of enyo did maps install
Dec 28 21:49:03 <fxspec06> 1.0 or 0.1.0
Dec 28 21:49:06 <fxspec06> 0.10*
Dec 28 21:49:15 <dwc-> I thought that was the same
Dec 28 21:49:21 <fxspec06> i have no idea
Dec 28 21:49:41 <fxspec06> they probably are. but i need to make sure i'm calling the correct version of enyo
Dec 28 21:49:59 <fxspec06> screw it. i'm done for today.
Dec 28 21:50:18 <fxspec06> going to play some pool in a bit anyways
Dec 28 21:50:28 <fxspec06> maybe i should pack a fat app
Dec 28 21:50:45 <dwc-> all I have is a /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0
Dec 28 21:50:47 <fxspec06> for touchpad users, since the touchpad version works perfectly and the phone doesn't
Dec 28 21:51:22 <fxspec06> k
Dec 28 21:56:24 <EricBlade> Fred says the problem with the OTA update servers has been fixed
Dec 28 22:01:59 <trout> calibrate it
Dec 28 22:15:15 <rwhitby> EricBlade: which problem?
Dec 28 22:15:34 <Tibfib_> I'm totally modding my nerf gun.
Dec 28 22:15:59 <EricBlade> rwhitby: the problem where people were complaining all over the forums and chats over Christmas that TouchPads were all stuck at 3.0.0 and 3.0.2
Dec 28 22:16:28 <EricBlade> hopefully they solved it by beating up the complainers ;)
Dec 28 22:16:39 <RichT23> =)
Dec 28 22:17:06 <rwhitby> dawm: did you want to pick up simFinger?
Dec 28 22:17:15 <RichT23> mY  Pre3 upgraded over night, even though i didnt want it ot
Dec 28 22:17:47 <RichT23> hehe some people want it and can not get it, some people are forced to get it even if they dont want =)
Dec 28 22:17:58 <dawm> you mean take ownership? sure idk how tho
Dec 28 22:18:19 <RichT23> it was quite impresed by the fact that even though i have quite a few patches it still worked
Dec 28 22:18:23 <rwhitby> dawm: I created a webos-commons organisation
Dec 28 22:18:42 <rwhitby> for people to put stuff they don't want to own any more
Dec 28 22:18:49 <dawm> thats a great idea
Dec 28 22:19:02 <dawm> put it there, as i havent done much with webos lately :|
Dec 28 22:20:41 <rwhitby> dawm: created a team to admin it, and added you
Dec 28 22:23:47 <wrea> good idea
Dec 28 22:26:24 <dawm> cool
Dec 28 22:35:30 <fxspec06> hmm webos-common
Dec 28 22:37:06 <fxspec06> webos-commons*. as in .. leftover webos devices.
Dec 28 22:37:09 <fxspec06> ?
Dec 28 22:41:10 <rwhitby> as in a common area where you can store stuff that you don't want to keep in your personal github area
Dec 28 22:41:30 <fxspec06> oh oh oh oh i see. that's a great idea!
Dec 28 23:08:43 <wrea> Yeah, but for those who dont want their devices, you can send the to me ;)
Dec 28 23:09:50 * DougReeder waves hello
Dec 28 23:43:41 <DougReeder> I got some programming done this holiday, but there was so much dead time the day after XMas, I wish I'd had my computer then.
Dec 28 23:48:24 <trenchant> It's good to do nothing some times DougReeder
Dec 28 23:48:31 <trenchant> just sit, stare at the wall, let your brain defrag
Dec 28 23:49:26 * DougReeder smiling "Oh, I had plenty of time to do nothing."
Dec 28 23:49:55 <trenchant> olol
Dec 28 23:51:36 <DougReeder> I have so little time to program for webOS these days.
Dec 29 00:23:29 <EricBlade> this is so neat, i can be playing music on the touchpad and on my home stereo system (via my main server), flip into Jukebox Control mode, change songs on the stereo system, without stopping anything on the touchpad :)
Dec 29 00:23:46 <EricBlade> my gf thinks it's retarded to be able to control two different music players via the touchpad simultaneously from one program
Dec 29 00:36:00 * fxspec06 thinks it's retarded NOT to be able to control two different music players via the touchpad simultaneously from one program
Dec 29 00:36:08 <fxspec06> :)
Dec 29 00:36:25 <wrea> ditto
Dec 29 00:37:05 <EricBlade> yay! so who wants to provide feedback for me on the app
Dec 29 00:38:03 <wrea> I wouldnt mind. Now I have my roku, i have a use for subsonic
Dec 29 00:41:35 <EricBlade> i really need someone that i can get some real time conversation with, the few other people i've heard from send me an email about once every 3 or 4 updates
Dec 29 00:42:41 <fxspec06> i will take a look at it, tomorrow
Dec 29 00:43:01 <fxspec06> but for now, i must go and save the world
Dec 29 00:43:08 <fxspec06> one crime at a time
Dec 29 00:43:19 <wrea> lol
Dec 29 00:44:32 <EricBlade> wrea: can i send you a ipk ?
Dec 29 00:54:26 <Tibfib_> ifttt is awesome
Dec 29 01:02:41 <dawm> freebie ipod nano 8gb finally arrived.. soo tiny :P
Dec 29 01:03:13 <dawm> fedex guy asked what it was cause i guess theyve been delivering tons of them lately
Dec 29 01:03:14 <wrea> i want free stuff
Dec 29 01:03:57 <dawm> it was from the ipod nano 1gen recall
Dec 29 01:04:21 <dawm> i had one i found years back that never worked, when the recall because news i monkeyed with it and magically it worked again, sent that in :P
Dec 29 01:04:46 <RichT23> 77=)
Dec 29 01:23:50 <Tibfib_> I have two. I should have sent them in
Dec 29 01:23:52 <Tibfib_> oh well
Dec 29 02:02:29 <dawm> omg.. what a mess
Dec 29 02:02:30 <dawm> http://www.examiner.com/video-game-industry-in-national/ocean-marketing-gaming-pr-rep-to-avoid-at-all-cost
Dec 29 02:42:31 <Tibfib_> holy cow
Dec 29 02:46:58 <Shadyman> Moo?
Dec 29 02:56:16 * EricBlade has super cow powers
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