**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 05 02:59:57 2012
Jan 05 03:51:27 <scgtrp> my touchpad has a libfreetype.so, and it's listed in the allowed libs at https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/pdk/linking.html#, but the PDK doesn't appear to provide the appropriate headers/libs. am i missing something?
Jan 05 04:31:27 <zephjc> maybe it assumes youll get the headers from elsewhere?
Jan 05 04:34:28 <scgtrp> yeah, that's what i wound up doing, but i can't help but think that's a very wrong solution
Jan 05 04:39:05 <zephjc> PDK is rather wild-west compared to the other APIs :)
Jan 05 05:02:06 <zephjc> compare to CoreGraphics and the other Core* frameworks
Jan 05 05:54:04 <coolstar-pc> How do I grab the "enter" key event from an enyo textfield?
Jan 05 06:04:25 <PatrickC> anyone in here have a device with preware on it? need something checked real quick
Jan 05 06:04:39 <coolstar-pc> I have an emulator with it
Jan 05 06:04:53 <coolstar-pc> what do u want checked?
Jan 05 06:05:08 <PatrickC> to see fi an app is in preware on the webosnation feeds
Jan 05 06:05:47 <PatrickC> if*
Jan 05 06:07:11 <PatrickC> The app's name is "Project Macaw"
Jan 05 06:07:51 <scgtrp> does preware have a search thing i don't see?
Jan 05 06:08:01 <PatrickC> just start typing at the main screen
Jan 05 06:08:28 <scgtrp> oh, there's a button there to bring up the keyboard
Jan 05 06:08:31 <scgtrp> didn't see that
Jan 05 06:09:44 <scgtrp> i do not have that feed and don't know how to add it
Jan 05 06:10:11 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: It doesn't seem to be on preware
Jan 05 06:10:31 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, ok. thanks. then they still have to be approved by an admin first :)
Jan 05 06:10:41 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: However, it may be on a real device, as the repos are different. The real device uses the ARM cpu, but the emulator uses i686
Jan 05 06:10:59 <PatrickC> i dont think that messes with the precentral feeds. but it might. not sure
Jan 05 06:11:41 <scgtrp> wait, why is it creating a filesystem
Jan 05 06:12:07 <PatrickC> why is what creating a filesystem?
Jan 05 06:12:25 <scgtrp> preware
Jan 05 06:12:40 <PatrickC> not sure what youre talking about
Jan 05 06:12:43 <zephjc> preware just exposes it
Jan 05 06:12:47 <zephjc> file manager etc
Jan 05 06:12:52 <coolstar-pc> scgtrp: It doesn't create a filesystem as I know
Jan 05 06:13:01 <scgtrp> it said it was creating a filesystem, not sure what that was about
Jan 05 06:13:13 <coolstar-pc> zephjc: If you use the palm sdk, you can ssh in, and there's the access to the fs
Jan 05 06:13:14 <PatrickC> what were you installing? :)
Jan 05 06:13:20 <scgtrp> openssh
Jan 05 06:13:29 <zephjc> yeah
Jan 05 06:13:46 <PatrickC> the openssh application creates a certain filesystem by itself
Jan 05 06:13:54 <PatrickC> preware just shows u what its doing
Jan 05 06:14:19 <scgtrp> why does it need its own filesystem?
Jan 05 06:14:30 <zephjc> since when does openssh create a fs?
Jan 05 06:14:46 <PatrickC> i thought it did... #webos-internals would be a better place to discuss this
Jan 05 06:14:49 * coolstar-pc likes how openssh is available to webos thru preware just like it is available for his iPod thru Cydia
Jan 05 06:15:13 <PatrickC> but preware is much easier to use then cydia :)
Jan 05 06:15:19 <zephjc> and coolstar-pc do u still need to grab the enter key?
Jan 05 06:15:26 <coolstar-pc> zephjc: Yes
Jan 05 06:16:22 <PatrickC> http://forums.webosroundup.com/index.php?forums/project-macaw.65/ :)
Jan 05 06:16:38 <zephjc> check out the javascript Event type
Jan 05 06:17:26 <PatrickC> huh? lol
Jan 05 06:17:46 <coolstar-pc> zephjc: I know how to grab the enter key with js on a generic textfield, but I want to know if there's anything special about Enyo's input field.
Jan 05 06:17:58 <zephjc> oh, i dont believe so
Jan 05 06:18:12 <zephjc> enyo just emits HTML and lets u attach event handlers
Jan 05 06:18:13 * coolstar-pc is an experienced html5 dev who is new to webos
Jan 05 06:18:37 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, what are u working on?
Jan 05 06:18:58 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: I'm porting my iOS web browser for hp webos
Jan 05 06:18:59 * PatrickC is someone whos been around webOS since before 1.4.5 :) been in the dev category for about a year
Jan 05 06:19:04 <PatrickC> nice!
Jan 05 06:19:08 <PatrickC> what browser is it?
Jan 05 06:19:19 <PatrickC> and are u using enyo or mojo?
Jan 05 06:19:27 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: I'm using enyo
Jan 05 06:19:36 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: Mojo seems to lack a toolbar
Jan 05 06:19:38 <PatrickC> nice. its much easier to work with then mojo imo
Jan 05 06:20:03 * PatrickC remembers when Enyo first launched.....
Jan 05 06:20:05 <PatrickC> Good times...
Jan 05 06:20:14 * coolstar-pc wonders how it is possible to have a browser without a toolbar (mojo)
Jan 05 06:20:45 <PatrickC> look at Universe
Jan 05 06:20:58 <PatrickC> https://github.com/openmobl/Universe
Jan 05 06:22:09 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: I've also been looking a bit at HP's own web browser for the touchpad (C:\Program Files\HP webOS\SDK\share\applications\enyo\com.palm.app.browser\)
Jan 05 06:22:17 <zephjc> html view enyo object + some controls?
Jan 05 06:22:29 <PatrickC> a good web browser is hard to make :)
Jan 05 06:22:48 <zephjc> well the default one could certainly use some improvements
Jan 05 06:22:51 <PatrickC> it took me a few minutes to throw a simple one together for my app. just needed a webview and a refresh button
Jan 05 06:22:58 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: trying to make yourself feel older? :P
Jan 05 06:23:06 <PatrickC> zephjc, thats why i have Advanced Browser
Jan 05 06:23:13 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, haha what do u mean? :P
Jan 05 06:23:28 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: I normally use webkit to make my browsers
Jan 05 06:23:43 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: talking about how long you have been a webos dev :P
Jan 05 06:23:43 <coolstar-pc> That's why I'm never gonna be able to port my browser to WP7 anytime soon
Jan 05 06:23:52 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, meaning, u dont use webviews?
Jan 05 06:24:10 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: webview = webkit
Jan 05 06:24:16 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, lol. just saying that was when the good times were :) when the pre+/Pre- were suppose to get 2.1... lol
Jan 05 06:24:22 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, lol...
Jan 05 06:24:31 * PatrickC knows basic web-dev
Jan 05 06:24:42 <PatrickC> well, anything major i dont know
Jan 05 06:24:47 <invalidopcode> coolstar-pc: not totally... iirc C# has a webview and its IE based :P
Jan 05 06:24:59 <PatrickC> i can build a good webpage out of basic HTML/CSS :)
Jan 05 06:25:13 <PatrickC> and i know some JS (working on making that tons of JS) lol
Jan 05 06:25:51 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: making a good webpage is easy, its making a great one that's really hard :P
Jan 05 06:25:56 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: That's not webview, its webbrowser
Jan 05 06:26:02 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, lol
Jan 05 06:26:20 <invalidopcode> coolstar-pc: oh yeah! sorry,  my bad
Jan 05 06:26:35 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: Ever heard of jQuery, ExtJS, and Sencha touch?
Jan 05 06:27:09 <invalidopcode> invalidopcode: yes.... i have
Jan 05 06:27:26 <invalidopcode> *coolstar-pc
Jan 05 06:27:39 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, yep
Jan 05 06:28:42 <invalidopcode> but even with those, it still takes some skill to make a really nice webapp of any complexity
Jan 05 06:31:06 <PatrickC> yeah
Jan 05 06:31:44 <PatrickC> im helping build this app from an already built and successful app, and its proving difficult to get some things working :)
Jan 05 06:33:55 <coolstar-pc> iHow do i have enyo make a textfield with an id so i can call it using document.getElementByID?
Jan 05 06:35:43 <fxspec06> you can't
Jan 05 06:35:46 <fxspec06> you can give it a name
Jan 05 06:35:53 <fxspec06> and call it w/ this.$.name
Jan 05 06:36:00 <PatrickC> ls -al
Jan 05 06:36:06 <PatrickC> stupid.. wrong window haha
Jan 05 06:36:06 <coolstar-pc> how do I give it a name?
Jan 05 06:36:31 <zephjc> lol
Jan 05 06:36:36 <fxspec06> {kind: enyo.VFlexBox, name: "coolstarBox"}
Jan 05 06:36:42 <fxspec06> this.$.coolstarBox
Jan 05 06:36:48 <coolstar-pc> ok
Jan 05 06:38:29 <zephjc> where this.$.coolstarBox is referenced in a function belonging to the same object in which you're making the kind objects
Jan 05 06:40:33 <wrea> are --disable-web-security --enable-file-cookies valid for chromium too?
Jan 05 06:41:29 <zephjc> i think so
Jan 05 06:41:32 <zephjc> give it a try :)
Jan 05 06:41:58 <coolstar-pc> Cool. Got my address bar to work. I'm gonna change it to an omnibar soon. I just want to figure out how to catch the enter key to get rid of that go button I have temporarily
Jan 05 06:42:21 <zephjc> yeah, the Go button is the Enter key :)
Jan 05 06:42:26 <zephjc> its right there on the screen! :)
Jan 05 06:42:51 <coolstar-pc> actually, I have a separate button on the toolbar as a temporary go button
Jan 05 06:43:02 <coolstar-pc> but it can be confused with "forward"
Jan 05 06:43:53 <zephjc> heh
Jan 05 06:44:07 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, i think that Spaz HD does that
Jan 05 06:45:37 <coolstar-pc> what's spaz?
Jan 05 06:46:01 <PatrickC> its a twitter app
Jan 05 06:46:02 <PatrickC> open source
Jan 05 06:47:38 <PatrickC> https://github.com/spazproject/Spaz-Enyo
Jan 05 06:47:52 <wrea> zephjc, doesnt seem to be working. they dont come up when i do --help either
Jan 05 06:48:06 <zephjc> hmm, sucky
Jan 05 06:48:11 <zephjc> i use chrome itself for it
Jan 05 06:49:05 <rwhitby> scgtrp: the large USB/media partition on webOS does not have ext3 filesystem semantics (e.g. no symlinks). Most Linux tools (like openssh) assume such, so a loopfs installation area is created for them.
Jan 05 06:50:13 <scgtrp> huh, what fs is it?
Jan 05 06:50:39 <zephjc> fat16!
Jan 05 06:50:41 <zephjc> lol
Jan 05 06:51:08 <scgtrp> "You must play from a terminal." << ...?
Jan 05 06:51:24 <scgtrp> also how do i up arrow in xterm
Jan 05 06:55:35 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, https://github.com/spazproject/Spaz-Enyo/blob/master/source/javascript/SearchPopup.js look for "searchBoxKeydown"
Jan 05 06:59:30 <invalidopcode> scgtrp: you can get a patched keyboard that has an up arrow if your going to be using it alot
Jan 05 06:59:55 <scgtrp> not covering up half of the terminal would also be a nice feature
Jan 05 07:00:08 <coolstar-pc> Now how do I hide the keyboard?
Jan 05 07:01:03 <coolstar-pc> I mean programmically, and not by pushing the button
Jan 05 07:02:04 <PatrickC> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/enyo-keyboard.html
Jan 05 07:02:19 <coolstar-pc> lol. I just found out from the spaz source code
Jan 05 07:02:28 <coolstar-pc> enyo.keyboard.setManualMode(false); // closes the keyboard
Jan 05 07:03:32 <invalidopcode> scgtrp: i think if you install the tweaks application in preware you can change that too
Jan 05 07:04:15 <invalidopcode> scgtrp: after you get xterm set up nicely it can be really useful
Jan 05 07:04:38 <invalidopcode> anyway. night everyone!
Jan 05 07:04:52 <scgtrp> "Attempting to physically force the keyboard to rotate to the proper orientation for landscape mode is known to bork a Pre."
Jan 05 07:04:55 <scgtrp> :D
Jan 05 07:07:49 <coolstar-pc> cool. now I can get rid of that ugly go button now that I capture the enter key
Jan 05 07:07:55 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 05 07:08:13 <PatrickC> hey coolstar-pc, whenever youre ready, i would love to help beta test the browser :)
Jan 05 07:08:44 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: Sure. You use a touchpad, right?
Jan 05 07:09:02 <PatrickC> yep. touchpad, pre3, pre2, pre+, pre- :)
Jan 05 07:13:24 * PatrickC goes to figure out how to add launch params to his app
Jan 05 07:15:13 * coolstar-pc made the omnibar select all text on focus to make entering urls and searches more convenient
Jan 05 07:15:58 <coolstar-pc> How do I add an "X" button to a text field like iOS does?
Jan 05 07:16:06 <PatrickC> hmm.. not sure
Jan 05 07:16:12 <coolstar-pc> its a convenient way to clear text from the field in one go
Jan 05 07:16:44 <zephjc> coolstar-pc: an X button?  like in a search field?
Jan 05 07:16:58 <coolstar-pc> yes
Jan 05 07:17:33 <zephjc> webkit i think supports input type="search"
Jan 05 07:17:41 <zephjc> which does that by itself
Jan 05 07:18:06 <coolstar-pc> zephjc: I made an enyo text field and want to add an X button
Jan 05 07:18:47 <zephjc> i think you will have to make the Kind yourself
Jan 05 07:19:50 <zephjc> and position a styled button with CSS
Jan 05 07:21:03 <PatrickC> well, i *think* i have launch params working...
Jan 05 07:21:12 <PatrickC> not 100% sure though :/
Jan 05 07:21:16 <PatrickC> dont have a way to test
Jan 05 07:21:30 <zephjc> however, it becomes redundant if the user clicks the field and the text selects all on-focus.  if the keyboard pops up, clicking Delete does it just like an X would
Jan 05 07:22:25 <PatrickC> i was just thinking that
Jan 05 07:22:35 <PatrickC> but im busy working on my app, so i just didnt say anything :)
Jan 05 07:22:47 <zephjc> a second click when already focused should just put the carat where clicked
Jan 05 07:24:52 <zephjc> "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it." - from The Zen of Python
Jan 05 07:26:00 <zephjc> PatrickC: how are you passing launch params?
Jan 05 07:26:10 <PatrickC> im adding them to my app
Jan 05 07:26:45 <zephjc> i mean, switching on platform type?
Jan 05 07:26:56 <PatrickC> huh? lol
Jan 05 07:27:12 <zephjc> what sort of params are you passing?
Jan 05 07:27:25 <zephjc> platform is the only thing i can think of that matters
Jan 05 07:28:18 <PatrickC> cross-launching the app
Jan 05 07:28:29 <PatrickC> so another app can launch my app and have it do something
Jan 05 07:28:37 <zephjc> ahhh ok
Jan 05 07:28:53 <PatrickC> but it isnt very well documented
Jan 05 07:30:02 <zephjc> enyo.windowParams?
Jan 05 07:30:44 <zephjc> im looking at http://webos101.com/Multi-Card_Applications
Jan 05 07:31:38 <PatrickC> mojo
Jan 05 07:31:42 <zephjc> o
Jan 05 07:31:46 <zephjc> y?
Jan 05 07:31:54 <PatrickC> its what the app was originally built off of
Jan 05 07:31:59 <PatrickC> not gonna rebuild the entire app :)
Jan 05 07:32:00 <zephjc> ahh ok
Jan 05 07:32:05 <PatrickC> i didnt build the original app..
Jan 05 07:32:12 <zephjc> makes sense
Jan 05 07:32:16 <PatrickC> yep
Jan 05 07:32:22 <zephjc> something to keep in mind for the future tho!
Jan 05 07:32:24 <PatrickC> the app is a remake of the Phnx twitter app
Jan 05 07:32:55 <zephjc> when i seize control of the webOS OSS project, Mojo will be deprecated
Jan 05 07:33:08 <PatrickC> which project?
Jan 05 07:33:15 <zephjc> all of it
Jan 05 07:33:19 <zephjc> hehe
Jan 05 07:33:22 <PatrickC> this app is massive. like 2mb. it would be a beast to try and redo all of the code
Jan 05 07:33:23 <PatrickC> haha
Jan 05 07:33:45 <zephjc> 2MB of source for a twitter app?
Jan 05 07:33:58 <PatrickC> 2.66mb
Jan 05 07:34:26 <zephjc> all that damn hand-coded html i imagine
Jan 05 07:34:37 <PatrickC> not sure. i didnt do much of the HTML
Jan 05 07:36:15 <PatrickC> http://github.com/minego/phnx
Jan 05 07:36:37 <zephjc> programmatically generating the layout is so much nicer, tho its no comparison to using a good GUI builder
Jan 05 07:37:15 <PatrickC> the app has an amazing UI
Jan 05 07:37:32 <PatrickC> one of the best imo (and i thought that before i started working on the team :) )
Jan 05 07:38:22 <zephjc> well it looks slick, tho all i see are phone screenshots - any tablet ones anywhere?
Jan 05 07:38:58 <PatrickC> in our preware feed
Jan 05 07:39:01 <PatrickC> they are kinda old though
Jan 05 07:39:15 <PatrickC> best to just install it if u use twitter :)
Jan 05 07:39:43 <PatrickC> http://minego.net/phnx/phnx_2011-18-11_143442.png http://minego.net/phnx/phnx_2011-18-11_143456.png http://minego.net/phnx/phnx_2011-20-11_194953.png http://minego.net/phnx/phnx_2011-20-11_200328.png
Jan 05 07:39:53 <PatrickC> those are the older screenshots on the tablets
Jan 05 07:40:42 <zephjc> not bad
Jan 05 07:40:56 <zephjc> good subtle use of gradients, shading, etc
Jan 05 07:40:57 <PatrickC> its a lot better now
Jan 05 07:41:05 <rwhitby> zephjc: awesome to hear you're going to seize control of the open webOS. what's your roadmap?
Jan 05 07:41:05 <PatrickC> thanks. most of that was already done
Jan 05 07:41:35 <zephjc> rwhitby: i shoot from the hip
Jan 05 07:43:17 <zephjc> putting URL parsing on the String prototype seems a bit off
Jan 05 07:46:54 <zephjc> here's a feature for webOS 4.0: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3426748
Jan 05 07:48:11 <PatrickC> guest mode? lol
Jan 05 07:48:56 <zephjc> from the lock screen - pick a user
Jan 05 07:49:04 <zephjc> its all linux underneath, should be easy
Jan 05 07:53:30 * PatrickC is off to bed
Jan 05 07:53:31 <PatrickC> night all
Jan 05 07:56:43 <zephjc> me too, gnite
Jan 05 09:14:32 <Sleep_Walker> are there any attempts to port webOS to other devices than HP/Palm ones?
Jan 05 09:15:20 <wrea> yes, but you wont see much until the source is released.
Jan 05 09:17:10 <Sleep_Walker> aha, so it was just announced? :)
Jan 05 09:18:05 <wrea> yeah, on Dec. 9th
Jan 05 15:48:44 <zephjc> IMO they should have been ready to release it the same day they announced it, even if that meant waiting, but then im new to the webOS world
Jan 05 15:49:55 <summatusmentis> rwhitby likes to mention some SEC regulation about not being able to act on something that might affect stock prices without informing investors first
Jan 05 15:50:10 <summatusmentis> but also, it's months worth of work to OSS webOS
Jan 05 15:50:23 <summatusmentis> particularly given that some of it is licensed from other companies
Jan 05 15:56:02 <fxspec06> good morning
Jan 05 15:56:46 <zephjc> im curious what is licensed though - maybe media-related components
Jan 05 15:57:38 <summatusmentis> at least media related components, definitely the modem stuff
Jan 05 15:58:16 <zephjc> modem stuff?
Jan 05 15:58:26 <fxspec06> mm walmart is paying netflix, and i get money. cool
Jan 05 15:58:45 <zephjc> win!
Jan 05 16:01:36 <fxspec06> hell yes!
Jan 05 16:01:44 <fxspec06> thanks for being mean and nasty to each other ;)
Jan 05 16:02:20 <fxspec06> it'll probably be like $20 or something
Jan 05 16:02:26 <fxspec06> but i'll take it!
Jan 05 16:02:41 <zephjc> hey that's lunch right there
Jan 05 16:03:07 <fxspec06> yes! and at an unexpected time. b/c i probably won't see the money until like august.
Jan 05 16:03:40 <pc-world> Anyone else having issues with Metrix? All my stats seem to be gone
Jan 05 16:04:06 <fxspec06> metrix was closing
Jan 05 16:04:09 <fxspec06> no more
Jan 05 16:05:07 <summatusmentis> zephjc: all the code to interacting with phone modems, possibly GPS code, etc. etc.
Jan 05 16:05:16 <zephjc> ahh ok
Jan 05 16:05:34 <zephjc> haha finally watching Portlandia on netflix "Portland is a place where young people go to retire"
Jan 05 16:07:41 <pc-world> fxspec06: I thought they wanted to keep devs who request it?
Jan 05 16:12:43 <fxspec06> hmm maybe.
Jan 05 17:14:20 <dwc-> hah. zephjc the webos world is all about waiting
Jan 05 17:22:41 * oilsworkn waits
Jan 05 17:23:04 * oilsworkn assumes hp is working hard to get the source ready to be opened
Jan 05 17:26:13 <fxspec06> i think you should stock up on food then
Jan 05 17:26:33 <dwc-> nuclear apocalypse coming?
Jan 05 17:26:59 <oilsworkn> the y2k bunker is still stocked
Jan 05 17:31:10 <oilsworkn> and as far as nuclear apocalypse, im pretty close to hanford, so ill probably be gone pretty quick
Jan 05 17:31:34 <sugardave> dig deeper
Jan 05 17:31:51 * fxspec06 wonders where the closest twinkie factory is
Jan 05 17:32:31 <oilsworkn> "The Hanford site represents two-thirds of the nation's high-level radioactive waste by volume" according to wikipedia :/
Jan 05 17:33:02 <zephjc> lol
Jan 05 17:33:03 <sugardave> awesome
Jan 05 17:33:04 <zephjc> yuk
Jan 05 17:34:01 <oilsworkn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site
Jan 05 17:44:36 <oilsworkn> oh, wikipedia link killed the chat
Jan 05 17:45:56 <zephjc> "You know you're like the A-bomb! Everybody's laughin' and havin' a good time, then you show up. Boom! Everything's dead."
Jan 05 17:46:35 <oilsworkn> heh
Jan 05 18:00:53 <oilsworkn> http://shirt.woot.com/
Jan 05 18:15:13 <zephjc> lol
Jan 05 19:32:54 <wrea> oilsworkn, you'll be fine at hanford as long as you dont eat the dirt
Jan 05 19:43:00 <oilsworkn> wrea: i was just saying that the chances some other country has a nuke pointed at is pretty high
Jan 05 19:43:35 <oilsworkn> which means i won't have to worry about collecting bottlecaps or anything like that, since ill be dead
Jan 05 19:45:50 <wrea> you'll be fine, if a nuke is pointed at our state, it'll be pointed a seattle
Jan 06 01:39:27 <madnificent> can i place something in preware temporarily?  can i see how many have downloaded it if i place it in there?
Jan 06 01:40:38 <rwhitby> madnificent: you can do so through the webOS Nation Homebrew Gallery
Jan 06 01:42:52 <madnificent> rwhitby: thanks.  i'll think about it then :)
Jan 06 01:43:39 <rwhitby> madnificent: or you can create your own custom feed and measure downloads yourself
Jan 06 01:44:17 <madnificent> rwhitby: naah, i'd prefer to have minimal fuss with this, i don't intend to spend much time on it.
Jan 06 01:45:02 <madnificent> probably wouldn't be much work either, but i'd have to maintain it.  i don't want to have to do that
Jan 06 01:45:07 <rwhitby> we don't actually measure downloads from the webos-internals feeds
Jan 06 01:45:21 <rwhitby> but I believe webOSNation.com does measure for their feed
Jan 06 01:45:55 <madnificent> it would be a nice feature to have.  that's the only real thing you get when you place it up for the grabs :)
Jan 06 01:47:33 <wrea> been pretty dead in here today
Jan 06 01:48:12 <dwc-> rwhitby: any idea whether it measures hits to e.g. webosnation.com/downloads/foo vs the traffic on the CDN to the ipk itself?
Jan 06 01:48:55 <dwc-> (preware's precentral feed points directly at the latter)
Jan 06 01:52:35 <Satellite> My Pre 3 just shipped today, hell yeah
Jan 06 01:52:53 <rwhitby> dwc-: no idea - you'd need to ask precentral about that
Jan 06 01:55:55 <madnificent> dwc-: i guess they count the direct hits, which is sad again :)
Jan 06 02:24:18 <cerjam> anyonegot knowledge of the at&t pres
Jan 06 02:26:43 <cerjam> firstly, is there a standard pre vs pre plus
Jan 06 02:26:46 <cerjam> on at&t.
Jan 06 02:26:53 <cerjam>  /gsm
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