**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 06 02:59:57 2012 Jan 06 03:40:12 sales reports are out! Jan 06 03:41:04 I wish the app portal would just give me totals Jan 06 03:41:07 seriously Jan 06 03:41:44 yeah. Jan 06 03:42:01 plus the whole country thing kinda skews a bit.. Jan 06 04:27:30 http://www.webosnation.com/project-macaw-goes-public-webos-nation-homebrew-gallery woo Jan 06 04:27:32 !!! Jan 06 04:28:16 PatrickC: awesome! Jan 06 04:28:58 invalidopcode, thanks :) Jan 06 04:29:05 we never even submitted it to be reviewed Jan 06 04:29:19 i just submitted the app to be published in the WN feeds lol Jan 06 04:29:55 ah haha thats pretty cool Jan 06 04:30:05 yeah. totally unexpected lol Jan 06 04:30:32 as was this one http://t.co/zgRO2F2E Jan 06 04:31:19 only 88 downloads of one of my paid apps over a year :/ Jan 06 04:31:33 fxspec06, that comment on the webOS nation article, what did u mean by it? lol Jan 06 04:31:55 only 25 downloads of my other pay-for app for over a year :/ Jan 06 04:32:59 PatrickC: the randomest people will review stuff. i have this little tool that i wrote for solving some geometry problems (for homework) that i open sourced and i looked it up once and found screenshots of it and people gave it some good reviews Jan 06 04:33:16 lol nice Jan 06 04:33:44 its really nice to come home and see that your app was reviewed by the biggest webOS blog (well, it was a small article, not a review... but.. lol_ Jan 06 04:34:35 next stop Redmondpie or Engadget :P Jan 06 04:34:43 lol Jan 06 04:34:52 im really hoping it gets to be really big. thats what webOS needs Jan 06 04:36:10 yeah... you know what else it needs? a better facebook client Jan 06 04:36:25 that is actually going to be my next endevor lol Jan 06 04:36:33 i hear that incredible! is pretty nice Jan 06 04:38:14 haha i could help you out it you wanted, i have some experience with the Facebook APIs Jan 06 04:38:46 im not gonna start for a while :) Jan 06 04:38:50 itll be open source too Jan 06 04:38:55 yay! :) Jan 06 04:39:27 haha i'll have time to work on it after i finish this boxcar client... and hopefully the school work doesn't get any harder Jan 06 04:39:38 thats what im hoping lol Jan 06 04:39:47 i just finished a half credit subject last night Jan 06 04:39:51 * PatrickC is soo happy Jan 06 04:39:54 haha nice Jan 06 04:40:06 * PatrickC wishes he could go back to Jr High Jan 06 04:40:09 so much easier :P Jan 06 04:40:10 we went back this week from break and we had 4 tests :/ Jan 06 04:40:16 me too haha Jan 06 04:40:30 im homeschooled.. so.. lol Jan 06 04:40:48 hey torchie Jan 06 04:40:54 yo yo Jan 06 04:41:05 hmm.... Jan 06 04:41:10 PatrickC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM6uqj0_jQc? :P Jan 06 04:41:12 now the create accounts scene doesnt like me Jan 06 04:41:56 uh oh.. this isnt good... Jan 06 04:42:00 why cant i create an account? Jan 06 04:42:04 * PatrickC scratches head Jan 06 04:42:18 speaking of things and stuff Jan 06 04:42:19 http://imgur.com/0WYGn Jan 06 04:42:46 nice Jan 06 04:43:15 i booted up the pre a while ago and noticed how hot prelude was lol Jan 06 04:44:46 lol Jan 06 04:46:09 * PatrickC goes to design a new scene Jan 06 04:47:36 damn it, why you no deliver on Saturdays UPS -_- Jan 06 04:47:46 my package got lost with UPS Jan 06 04:47:48 the Jan 06 04:47:49 SABBATH Jan 06 04:47:53 I want my Pre 3 #firstworldproblems Jan 06 04:48:10 was suppose to be here yeaterday... garunteed (i know i butchered the word lol) Jan 06 04:48:24 it was garunteed 2 day shipping.. :/ Jan 06 04:49:12 now to decide which Google Voice app to use :v Jan 06 04:49:32 on webOS? Jan 06 04:49:45 gvoice by EricBlade or Voogle by webOSWorld Jan 06 04:49:57 Yeah I know Jan 06 04:50:01 I have to decide between the two Jan 06 04:50:01 gvoice is pretty nice... Jan 06 04:50:10 I'm leaning towards GVoice Jan 06 04:50:40 plus EricBlade usually hangs around here alot, so if you had suggestions and stuff its easy to get in contact with him Jan 06 04:51:14 Yeah I spoke to him about it once Jan 06 04:51:20 That's why I'm leaning towards GVoice haha Jan 06 04:58:09 UPS has saturday delivery Jan 06 04:58:18 its extra though Jan 06 04:59:38 indeed Jan 06 05:00:06 hmm.. never seen this error before.. :/ Jan 06 05:01:36 those are always the best ones! Jan 06 05:01:47 well, maybe second to the ones you thought you got rid of Jan 06 05:01:51 so descriptive! lol Jan 06 05:01:58 oh, i love those too.. Jan 06 05:02:12 "Oh dear, something happened." Jan 06 05:03:55 http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7448/schermata20100310a09035.png Jan 06 05:04:23 lol Jan 06 05:04:58 time to go thru this 700 line scene line by line and see why its failing :/ Jan 06 05:05:21 the mojo one? Jan 06 05:05:25 yeah Jan 06 05:05:32 enyo is easy Jan 06 05:05:38 didn't it give you a line to what failed? Jan 06 05:05:40 "oh, i forgot to put a comma tehre" Jan 06 05:05:43 invalidopcode, nope Jan 06 05:05:52 [20120105-23:04:11.851684] error: The scene 'compose-tweet' could not be pushed Jan 06 05:05:52 because an exception occurred. Jan 06 05:05:52 [20120105-23:04:11.851898] error: Error: assistant is not defined, line undefine Jan 06 05:05:52 d, file undefined Jan 06 05:06:00 argh.. stupid me.. nopaste :/ Jan 06 05:06:08 haha have fun Jan 06 05:06:13 yeah... Jan 06 05:06:22 can you open it in Ares? Jan 06 05:06:25 ive broke it down to only the very core components that i need Jan 06 05:06:28 zephjc, nope Jan 06 05:06:53 weak D: Jan 06 05:06:54 now i see the problem :/ Jan 06 05:06:56 this is gonna be fun Jan 06 05:07:21 is it the same source as what on github? Jan 06 05:07:28 yep Jan 06 05:07:33 what file? Jan 06 05:07:36 well, mine is very changed right now Jan 06 05:07:46 o Jan 06 05:07:52 just realized the file im using is one i just created lol Jan 06 05:07:56 * PatrickC facepalm Jan 06 05:08:10 lol Jan 06 05:10:50 this is what incremental commits are for ;) Jan 06 05:11:01 heh... Jan 06 05:18:06 hmm.. Jan 06 05:18:12 * PatrickC wonders if that was the issue Jan 06 05:18:15 time to check Jan 06 05:18:30 nope :/ Jan 06 05:18:51 even if you pull your file out entirely? Jan 06 05:19:00 i need the file Jan 06 05:19:04 im building a scene Jan 06 05:19:12 HEY Jan 06 05:19:13 the scene has something wrong in it.. Jan 06 05:19:16 hey cwayne!!! Jan 06 05:19:20 long time no see!! Jan 06 05:19:25 What's the best webOS twitter app? Jan 06 05:19:32 PatrickC: yooo how you doin?! Jan 06 05:19:34 Project Macaw :) Jan 06 05:19:55 I tried Macaw on the Touchpad, seems a bit slow/choppy Jan 06 05:19:56 cwayne, doing good! especially from the 2 suprise articles on an app im working on lol Jan 06 05:19:59 Is it better on phones? Jan 06 05:20:01 Satellite, im one of the devs Jan 06 05:20:04 whats up with it? Jan 06 05:20:17 when I swipe left/right it seems to be kinda choppy and not smooth Jan 06 05:20:30 Looks nice though :D Jan 06 05:20:43 Satellite, we are working on that. with the touchpad's layout, you dont have to do much left-to-right swiping though :) Jan 06 05:20:52 I figured those were just kinks that you guys are gonna iron out, no complaints here Jan 06 05:21:01 ok cool :) Jan 06 05:21:09 im actually working on it right now Jan 06 05:21:39 sweet :D Jan 06 05:22:02 not that specific issue, but im working on macaw :) Jan 06 05:22:03 Will it work on my Pre3 too? Jan 06 05:22:07 yep Jan 06 05:22:10 all webOS devices Jan 06 05:22:15 Pixi and Veer too Jan 06 05:22:16 Great Jan 06 05:22:27 PatrickC: is it in the App Catalog or Preware? Jan 06 05:22:33 Preware Jan 06 05:22:36 preware Jan 06 05:22:43 we released into the webOS nation feeds today Jan 06 05:23:23 ah, found it. any particular reason its not in the app catalog? Jan 06 05:23:33 we will only put super stable builds into the webOSnation feed Jan 06 05:23:41 our goal is to merge back into phnx when done :) Jan 06 05:23:50 phnx is in the catalog already, so.. :) Jan 06 05:23:59 ah haha ok Jan 06 05:24:05 and it just takes too much time to do that. for submission and all lol Jan 06 05:24:44 which is why we had our own feed for the longest time (which btw, is still the best one to use if you want to really help test. all of our builds go to our feed, only really stable ones go to the webosnation feed) Jan 06 05:25:58 wow... palm-log actually gave me a helpful error Jan 06 05:26:08 then it decided to give me a general error again :/ Jan 06 05:26:47 welp, im gonna work on a different feature lol Jan 06 05:27:15 installed....hm... i don't normally use twitter but this is pretty nicw Jan 06 05:27:18 *nice Jan 06 05:27:22 Gonna have to decide between Carbon, phnx and Macaw Jan 06 05:27:25 this should be fun :P Jan 06 05:27:34 Satellite, well, macaw is phnx Jan 06 05:27:40 it was built off of the phnx source code :) Jan 06 05:28:03 ah, gotcha Jan 06 05:28:34 invalidopcode, i didnt use twitter till i started using spaz. i always wanted to try phnx, but could never justify the purchase when i had spaz lol Jan 06 05:28:48 my philosiphy is, if you can get a free client that does it, why pay for one? haha Jan 06 05:29:07 haha same Jan 06 05:29:18 that's why I'll probably do Macaw, so I don't have to pay for carbon/phnx :P Jan 06 05:29:28 phnx has been and is free :) Jan 06 05:29:34 it was pay-for a while ago Jan 06 05:29:34 yeah exactly, plus for some reason Touchpad apps are expensive Jan 06 05:29:39 but has been free Jan 06 05:29:48 invalidopcode, idk why that is lol Jan 06 05:30:00 PatrickC: It seems to be $2.99 on the app catalog? Jan 06 05:30:09 Satellite, where are u located? Jan 06 05:30:32 needs more apps so more competition Jan 06 05:30:36 yeah Jan 06 05:30:44 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.davidstrack.phnx&applicationid=9099 Jan 06 05:30:46 this is 2.99 Jan 06 05:30:50 invalidopcode, if u have any questions, then let me know :) Jan 06 05:30:50 but it must be old Jan 06 05:31:10 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.davidstrack.phnx.free this is free, is it the same app or just a free Lite version? Jan 06 05:31:11 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.davidstrack.phnx.free Jan 06 05:31:12 :) Jan 06 05:31:16 same app Jan 06 05:31:19 cool, thanks Jan 06 05:31:28 Dave decided to go open source and free Jan 06 05:31:35 damn, it's a good looking app Jan 06 05:31:41 yep Jan 06 05:31:46 Project Macaw made it better :) Jan 06 05:32:36 @ProjectMacaw is the best twitter app out there on any platform! I've said once and I'll say it again! The best! Long lives webOS!!! Jan 06 05:32:40 you should edit the about screen so it doesn't say "about Phnx" anymore Jan 06 05:32:46 thats something good to see :) Jan 06 05:32:51 invalidopcode, hmm? Jan 06 05:32:54 * PatrickC goes to check Jan 06 05:33:02 haha Jan 06 05:33:06 thanks for that :P Jan 06 05:33:25 no problem, i just notice minor things like that :P Jan 06 05:33:34 thats good :) Jan 06 05:34:07 fixed :) Jan 06 05:34:33 also, "Contact Support" and "Support" seem to be the same thing :P Jan 06 05:35:20 and another good catch by invalidopcode Jan 06 05:35:20 lol Jan 06 05:36:21 you might also want to make the font color of the text on the Support page the same as the one on the About page, because on the Support page it seems hard to read Jan 06 05:37:17 support scene fix is pushed to the git repo Jan 06 05:37:19 *when in the "Pure" theme Jan 06 05:37:32 i have not taken a look at the pure theme much Jan 06 05:37:38 that was _minego's doing :) Jan 06 05:37:51 it looks like that is the default Jan 06 05:37:55 is it Jan 06 05:37:58 it is* Jan 06 05:39:07 on a more positive side, that refreshing animation on the top is pretty cool Jan 06 05:40:22 thanks :) Jan 06 05:40:26 thats from phnx Jan 06 05:40:57 im still wondering if i should work on the on-device IDE for Enyo Jan 06 05:41:15 zephjc: that would really really cool Jan 06 05:41:34 there is already one out Jan 06 05:41:35 Tide Jan 06 05:41:41 by PuffTheMagic_ Jan 06 05:41:43 oh? looking Jan 06 05:41:49 preware Jan 06 05:42:13 o i think ive seen that before, looking... Jan 06 05:42:39 PatrickC: i think it was in the beta feed last time i check Jan 06 05:42:42 *checked Jan 06 05:42:45 isnt it mostly a cross-language editor? Jan 06 05:42:47 hmm.. it might be Jan 06 05:43:01 from what ive seen/experienced, it is a nice ide Jan 06 05:43:07 what were you looking to do? Jan 06 05:43:10 my thing is more a GUI builder - workes more like Ares Jan 06 05:43:19 works* Jan 06 05:43:38 ahh Jan 06 05:43:43 that would be cool Jan 06 05:44:20 anyone have any suggestions for a good RDP client? (preferably free) Jan 06 05:44:55 remote desktop? Jan 06 05:45:01 yeah... Jan 06 05:45:11 and invalidopcode, update being pushed to the git repo for the font color issues now :) Jan 06 05:45:16 i bought splashtop, its nice Jan 06 05:45:25 i dont know of any free ones Jan 06 05:45:39 i dont even think android has any free ones (that are any good) if any at all Jan 06 05:45:45 i need one that supports RDP... for server administration Jan 06 05:46:03 i'm wondering if optware has one Jan 06 05:46:14 u could check Jan 06 05:46:21 Does preware work in the emulator? Jan 06 05:46:27 it should Jan 06 05:46:36 It works, but after I update it, it gets stuck trying to find the device type Jan 06 05:47:58 http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/map-bluetooth-on-legacy-2-1-devices.1298/ :) Jan 06 05:48:04 it's designed to work on the emulator Jan 06 05:48:20 are you sure you installed the i686 version, not the arm version? Jan 06 05:50:21 are there any ways to interact with C libs from Enyo? Jan 06 05:50:34 or just Java libs? Jan 06 05:51:32 invalidopcode: syllogithm's RDP client in the app catalog is only $0.99, though I imagine if you ask the dev for the source you can built it yourself (since it's GPL/based off of rdesktop) Jan 06 05:51:55 Brybry: hm... thanks! Jan 06 05:52:21 it doesn't support network level auth and I think the dev is in the process of making his own on screen keyboard but he's definitely still updating it Jan 06 05:52:27 rwhitby: I installed i686 Jan 06 05:52:36 if someone wants to make one.. http://www.freelancer.com/projects/Palm/RDP-Client-for-WebOS-Touchpad.html lol Jan 06 05:52:46 $750-1500 Jan 06 05:52:49 Brybry: i guess i could be a nice person and buy it haha Jan 06 05:53:21 it seems like since Palm/HP were targeting business users that RDP would be kind nice to have Jan 06 05:53:40 PatrickC: What if I made a VNC instead? VNC > RDP as it's cross platform Jan 06 05:53:52 yeah, I'll admit I tried it from an IPK elsewhere first and then bought it when I figured out that it would work for what I wanted to do Jan 06 05:53:56 coolstar-pc, thats not my post :) Jan 06 05:54:04 coolstar-pc: VNC in SLOW Jan 06 05:54:06 *is Jan 06 05:54:13 its one of the first things that poped up when i searched "rdp client webos" lol Jan 06 05:54:58 invalidopcode: RDP is closed source, you know...... Jan 06 05:55:36 coolstar-pc: i know, i know. im a big open source person, but i use both at school, and RDP is a bit faster Jan 06 05:56:19 If I made a custom remote desktop app for webos, would you guys get it? Jan 06 05:56:29 maybe Jan 06 05:56:30 It can use h.264 and aac compression Jan 06 05:56:32 coolstar-pc: buy it or get it? Jan 06 05:56:45 invalidopcode: I'm gonna make it for free. :) Jan 06 05:57:00 i'm not sure about h.264 and aac Jan 06 05:57:05 coolstar-pc: I'd use it Jan 06 05:57:13 I think I might stick with webm and ogg Jan 06 05:57:15 free? count me in! :P Jan 06 05:57:40 coolstar-pc: i'd get it, if it used VNC or RDP, but not if its one of those "you have to install a special client on your desktops" ones Jan 06 05:58:56 invalidopcode: If I use RDP, I'd have to face closed source M$ software, and If I use VNC, there's performance issues, and there's no sound either Jan 06 05:59:23 coolstar-pc: true, true. ok well if it at least runs on Linux i'd use it :P Jan 06 05:59:54 invalidopcode: I use Linux+KDE myself Jan 06 06:00:12 coolstar-pc: cool, so do I. what distro? Jan 06 06:00:32 I used to use ubuntu, got annoyed at Unity, and switched to kubuntu. Now I use kubuntu Jan 06 06:00:48 * coolstar-pc misses Gnome 2 Jan 06 06:00:58 ah, im on ArchLinux Jan 06 06:01:18 invalidopcode: What DE? Jan 06 06:01:25 KDE Jan 06 06:01:44 better than Gnome 3... plus i've really started to like it Jan 06 06:02:10 invalidopcode: This may sound weird, but I code using GTK and use KDE Jan 06 06:02:43 * PatrickC uses Mint Jan 06 06:02:45 haha thats actually funny, for a while i did the other way, coded with QT while in gnome Jan 06 06:03:14 PatrickC: Mint is based on Ubuntu Jan 06 06:03:19 i know Jan 06 06:03:27 im thinking about switching back to ubuntu Jan 06 06:03:50 * invalidopcode likes Arch Jan 06 06:03:51 PatrickC: I'd advice getting an alternative ubuntu distro. Unity is a mess right now. Jan 06 06:04:01 i use Ubuntu classic desktop Jan 06 06:04:10 unity is junk lol Jan 06 06:04:11 I guess you guys know about how Linus dissed gnome 3 Jan 06 06:04:33 Linus probably uses TWM Jan 06 06:04:43 or IceWM Jan 06 06:04:52 invalidopcode: He uses Xfce now, as I know Jan 06 06:04:56 for the life of me.. i cant figure out this issue :/ Jan 06 06:05:07 PatrickC: What issue? Jan 06 06:05:16 HEY SHUT UP ABOUT UNITY Jan 06 06:05:19 getting a random error when i shouldnt be :) Jan 06 06:05:24 * PatrickC kicks cwayne Jan 06 06:05:37 * coolstar-pc kicks cwayne as well Jan 06 06:05:42 coolstar-pc: what's your actual issue with unity Jan 06 06:05:50 PatrickC: we're fighting. Jan 06 06:05:59 http://pastebin.com/zdzYgx8u Jan 06 06:06:01 * invalidopcode arms nuclear missile and points at cwayne Jan 06 06:06:02 cwayne: I don't like how it multitasks Jan 06 06:06:03 cwayne, bring it Jan 06 06:06:18 cwayne: And what's with trying to copy Mac and iOS? Jan 06 06:06:28 when i first saw unity, thats what i though Jan 06 06:06:29 coolstar-pc: wat? Jan 06 06:06:39 "wait... when did ubuntu become os x" Jan 06 06:06:44 cwayne: Look at the settings dialog with the retarted iOS 4 sliders Jan 06 06:07:04 coolstar-pc: the configuration is coming freals in 12.04 Jan 06 06:07:27 PatrickC: HRRRRRRNGH Jan 06 06:07:39 is that 12/2004 or 4/2012 haha Jan 06 06:07:42 PatrickC: Ever since Ubuntu 10.04, I used to hate how they moved the close buttons to the left side of the window. Jan 06 06:07:53 ubuntu is getting too user friendly... a certain quote of Linus' comes to mind Jan 06 06:07:57 coolstar-pc, its so os x of them :P Jan 06 06:08:07 PatrickC: Whenever I installed ubuntu, I used to open g-conf editor to move them back to the right Jan 06 06:08:15 lol Jan 06 06:08:39 * PatrickC has a brand new pre2 in the mail :) Jan 06 06:08:54 Until I got fed up and made my own ubuntu based distro. Only difference: The UI is different Jan 06 06:09:02 coolstar-pc: YOU CAN CHANGE THAT Jan 06 06:09:04 coolstar-pc, wait, what? Jan 06 06:09:05 nice! Jan 06 06:09:10 link to the iso? :P Jan 06 06:09:15 coolstar-pc: PatrickC you realize i work at canonical right? Jan 06 06:09:22 cwayne, no? Jan 06 06:09:47 PatrickC: we really take criticism seriously Jan 06 06:09:52 but then I couldn't maintain it. So it wasn't maintained after March 2011 Jan 06 06:10:03 \like not in a douche way, in a :"WED LIKE TO FIX THIS" way Jan 06 06:10:16 cwayne: Here's a suggestion about Unity: Stop trying to copy Mac OS X Jan 06 06:10:17 same with me and Project Macaw :) Jan 06 06:10:30 what coolstar-pc said Jan 06 06:10:39 coolstar-pc: ha Jan 06 06:10:49 cwayne: please, for the love of all that's good and holy, move the window buttons back Jan 06 06:10:57 ^^ Jan 06 06:11:10 cwayne: Also, stop making it resource hungry on the graphics card. It lags horribly on my Dual Core 1.8 GHZ intel CPU with an ATI Mobility Radeon X1300 Jan 06 06:11:17 invalidopcode: want me to tell you how to do that with gconf keys? Jan 06 06:11:34 cwayne: And *Please* fix the multitasking Jan 06 06:11:36 coolstar-pc: try unity-2d :) Jan 06 06:11:44 cwayne: i know how to do it, it just a pain to do every time i install ubuntu for a friend Jan 06 06:11:50 cwayne, how long have u working at canonical? Jan 06 06:11:59 PatrickC: 2 yrs Jan 06 06:12:03 wow.. Jan 06 06:12:03 cwayne: plus, i use Arch Linux ....sorry Jan 06 06:12:06 cwayne: But then I don't get any visual effects. I get visual effects in KWin (KDE) without lag Jan 06 06:12:50 The 2 things I love most about Compiz: Wobbly Windows, Desktop Cube Jan 06 06:13:13 I get wobbly windows, and partial support for desktop cube in kwin Jan 06 06:14:12 desktop cube does strange things with unity iirc Jan 06 06:14:39 invalidopcode: Desktop Cube worked fine with me in Gnome 2, but then Unity killed it Jan 06 06:15:00 coolstar-pc: if you;re gonna use ARch i can;t stop ya Jan 06 06:15:09 Im just glad you use linux :) Jan 06 06:15:14 cwayne: I use Kubuntu, not Arch Jan 06 06:15:17 * PatrickC uses windows as his main Jan 06 06:15:21 linux for fun :) Jan 06 06:15:32 invalidopcode uses arch iirc Jan 06 06:15:37 coolstar-pc: yeah... i remember. i enabled it in unity and it caused the wierdest glitches Jan 06 06:15:50 coolstar-pc: I like it: Jan 06 06:16:00 cwayne: yeah, i use Arch :P but i install ubuntu for all my friends Jan 06 06:16:08 coolstar-pc: what version? hows it working? Jan 06 06:16:25 * PatrickC is thinking about installing 11.10 again Jan 06 06:16:35 or whatever the newest version is Jan 06 06:16:38 PatrickC: windows works well for desktop but is a pain as a server Jan 06 06:16:45 invalidopcode: love that you guys use linux! That's enough for me! Jan 06 06:16:46 cwayne: 11.10. Its working fine, but If Unity is fixed up to where I can use it effeciently, I'll switch back. KDE seems to have to load a lot from my HDD making it a bit slower in boot time. Jan 06 06:16:52 invalidopcode, which is why i dont run a server lol Jan 06 06:16:53 we're on the same team guys~ Jan 06 06:17:26 coolstar-pc: we are working HEAVILY on unity and configuring unity Jan 06 06:17:36 cwayne: no, we just like to pick on you.... because we can :P jk Jan 06 06:17:42 lol Jan 06 06:17:51 guys, if you use linux, we're on the same team as far as im concerned! Jan 06 06:18:09 * PatrickC uses linux as on the side Jan 06 06:18:12 invalidopcode: we're trying really hard! i promise! Jan 06 06:18:14 cwayne: If you want to have individual icons in Unity, make it so that I can get a list of all windows in that group without having to click it Jan 06 06:18:20 i dont love it enough yet to make it my primary Jan 06 06:18:35 coolstar-pc: i Jan 06 06:18:44 'll pass it on! Jan 06 06:19:02 cwayne, would u have anything to do with wine? or is that a third-party? Jan 06 06:19:20 cwayne: And I use dual screens, so If I click on it while I have a movie playing on my 2nd display, it annoys me cuz it has to run this expose effect (I'm calling it that cuz it was copied from OSX) which moves the movie off the 2nd display Jan 06 06:19:47 coolstar-pc: dude i PROMISE dual screens is getting worked on for unity Jan 06 06:20:10 coolstar-pc: ive seen it first hand at UDS, it's WAY better Jan 06 06:20:33 cwayne: Unity is good on dual screens as-is, but its that expose effect which annoys me Jan 06 06:20:34 PatrickC: no but i've talked to that guy, whats up Jan 06 06:20:45 i could never get it to work in ubuntu Jan 06 06:20:49 coolstar-pc: its being revamped ENTIRELYT Jan 06 06:20:50 with simple things like Trillian Jan 06 06:20:56 worked perfectly under mint Jan 06 06:21:03 cwayne: when its all said an done, you guys do do a really good job at making Linux easy for normal people, so I've got to give you props for that (plus it cuts down on my 'tech support' calls :P) Jan 06 06:21:33 cwayne: And can you guys fix up Desktop cube with Unity? I used to brag a lot about it to my Windows friends and made them jealous. :) Jan 06 06:21:50 coolstar-pc: what's broken? Jan 06 06:21:59 cwayne: +1 for desktop cube Jan 06 06:22:33 cwayne: It kinda conflicts with the Unity multiple desktops thing Jan 06 06:23:00 cwayne: Unity wants 2 rows with 2 collumns, but Desktop cube needs 1 row with x collumns, which is where Unity gets stuck Jan 06 06:23:38 I said x, because you can have any number of collumns whether its 2, 4, 6, etc. Jan 06 06:24:07 guys, i'll do what i can with these Jan 06 06:24:28 * PatrickC is thinking its time for bed Jan 06 06:24:33 i've been taking suggetions from this channel for awhile Jan 06 06:24:46 but ill wait till i finish coping the files from linux over to windows Jan 06 06:24:48 coolstar-pc: do you use ubuntu regularly Jan 06 06:25:03 Ext2explore is really nice :) Jan 06 06:25:04 cwayne: I used to, but now i'm using kubuntu Jan 06 06:25:24 coolstar-pc: i like it :) Jan 06 06:25:29 PatrickC: what timezone are you in? Jan 06 06:25:38 central Jan 06 06:25:46 ah ok Jan 06 06:26:06 u? Jan 06 06:26:16 Pacific Jan 06 06:26:20 ah Jan 06 06:26:22 coolstar-pc: i love kubuntu, because it shows ubuntu isn't *JUST* unity Jan 06 06:26:40 coolstar-pc: have you tried unity? Jan 06 06:26:50 cwayne: Yes. Jan 06 06:27:41 cwayne: Btw. When I used unity, about every 20-30 minutes, my desktop would get so laggy that i'd have to press Ctrl+Alt+F1, log in, and use the command "sudo killall Xorg" Jan 06 06:27:52 cwayne, 11.10 is the most recent, correct? Jan 06 06:28:49 PatrickC: most recent stable, yes Jan 06 06:28:51 * coolstar-pc hopes that Unity is fixed in 12.04 Jan 06 06:29:02 coolstar-pc: what kind of graphics card do you have? Jan 06 06:29:09 * PatrickC is downloading 12.04 no Jan 06 06:29:10 now* Jan 06 06:29:26 cwayne: ATI Mobility Radeon X1300 Jan 06 06:29:43 cwayne: 512 MB VRAM Jan 06 06:29:43 cwayne: just curious, is it fun to work at canical? Jan 06 06:30:00 *Canonical Jan 06 06:30:12 invalidopcode: it's great! Jan 06 06:30:24 coolstar-pc: i'll see what I can look up! Jan 06 06:30:46 coolstar-pc: will you be hanging out here for a couple days? Jan 06 06:30:57 cwayne: yes Jan 06 06:31:33 cwayne: kudos for fixing the lenovo thinkpad t60 suspend issue in 11.10. At least I can put my laptop to sleep safely. :) Jan 06 06:31:35 coolstar-pc: i'll ask around and see what i can find out:) Jan 06 06:31:51 coolstar-pc: thanks! Jan 06 06:32:10 coolstar-pc: dude people dont know how many things we test on so many machines;...\ Jan 06 06:32:27 coolstar-pc: sure we find errors and do what we can to fix them Jan 06 06:32:38 which is what im gonna try to do for you! Jan 06 06:33:09 cwayne: it shows, its nice not to have to go looking for drivers after installing :P Jan 06 06:33:28 yeah Jan 06 06:33:44 mint has like hundreds of driver to install everytime i boot it up Jan 06 06:33:49 well, updates Jan 06 06:33:57 and i boot it up at least once every few days Jan 06 06:34:00 lol Jan 06 06:34:10 PatrickC: you should see updates in arch, its like new updates every few hours Jan 06 06:34:16 dang Jan 06 06:34:24 That's probably why linux is more secure than Windows Jan 06 06:34:27 PatrickC: you realize mint is based on ubuntu right? Jan 06 06:34:39 without updates? Jan 06 06:34:39 cwayne, i think someone said that earlier Jan 06 06:34:46 not sure... lol.. its late : Jan 06 06:34:48 :P * Jan 06 06:34:49 i did Jan 06 06:34:58 lol Jan 06 06:35:06 coolstar-pc: hey, will you email me what lenove pc you have? Jan 06 06:35:06 [22:03] PatrickC: Mint is based on Ubuntu Jan 06 06:35:26 cwayne: Lenovo/IBM Thinkpad t60 (type 2008) Jan 06 06:35:49 cwayne: I upgraded the memory to 3 GB incase that may make a diff. Jan 06 06:36:04 invalidopcode: thanks! people dont seem to belive it, but we try so hard to make all hw work! Jan 06 06:36:26 coolstar-pc: sorry so what EXACTLY is not working? Jan 06 06:36:57 its been a long time since i used arch Jan 06 06:37:19 * invalidopcode is feeling like trying to run an Ubuntu chroot on the touchpad again Jan 06 06:37:26 its still got the little ball in the keyboard for the mouse! i havent seen one of those in forever haha Jan 06 06:37:27 cwayne: Compiz effects get laggy, even when dragging windows; Expose (the effect when clicking the icon) is too obtrusive, and I'd like a better design for multitasking Jan 06 06:37:29 invalidopcode, its nice Jan 06 06:37:54 PatrickC: really? is it hard to setup? Jan 06 06:38:00 not at all Jan 06 06:38:05 if you are willing to doctor :) Jan 06 06:38:32 coolstar-pc: thanks, ill pass that along! Jan 06 06:38:50 coolstar-pc: have you tried the same h w with unity-2d? Jan 06 06:39:00 (curiousity_ Jan 06 06:39:21 1hr till 12.04 finishes downloading Jan 06 06:39:25 i think im gonna head to bed Jan 06 06:39:26 night all Jan 06 06:39:38 cwayne: I have. The laggyness is gone, but I don't get any of the compiz effects (that I loved since 9.04) Jan 06 06:40:19 coolstar-pc: like GRID? Jan 06 06:40:25 i fucking love GRID' Jan 06 06:40:44 cwayne: I love wobbly windows, desktop cube, rain drops, and fire on screen Jan 06 06:41:03 coolstar-pc: would you be willing t email it to me? Jan 06 06:41:16 i can pass it to the mainatiner of compix thjat way Jan 06 06:41:29 but with less typos! Jan 06 06:43:05 coolstar-pc: that way I can make a decent bug report Jan 06 06:44:46 anyone here with Ubuntu bugs, email me! i'M here to help! Jan 06 06:45:00 we need your email first ;) Jan 06 06:45:07 also i've written a bunch of mojo apps :) Jan 06 06:45:16 cwayne@canonical.com Jan 06 06:45:27 PatrickC: ^^^ Jan 06 06:46:59 anybody! we love webos devs! Jan 06 06:47:34 PatrickC: so how's your stuff goin?! Jan 06 06:47:43 goin good Jan 06 06:47:48 u use twitter? Jan 06 06:47:52 nice, i love to hear it Jan 06 06:48:00 not recently to be honest Jan 06 06:48:16 well, if u decide to do it again, check out Project macaw :) Jan 06 06:48:21 its one of my projects Jan 06 06:48:23 I wanted to be in your beta, but I've been busy beyond belief Jan 06 06:48:31 for which app? Jan 06 06:48:57 PatrickC: im sure it's gonna do great! Sorry I couldn't play the role I thought I could! Jan 06 06:49:10 ah, for Your Radio? Jan 06 06:49:19 development kinda stoped on it a while ago Jan 06 06:49:27 still progressing slowly, but not as much as i wanted it to Jan 06 06:49:31 PatrickC: Btw. my web browser for webos is an alpha right now. I'm ironing some bugs in the omnibar right now Jan 06 06:49:33 Project Macaw took over Jan 06 06:51:39 coolstar-pc: are you going to charge for your browser? Jan 06 06:51:47 coolstar-pc, how are you hosting the beta? Jan 06 06:51:51 invalidopcode: no Jan 06 06:51:59 PatrickC: It will be as a download from my website Jan 06 06:52:07 i have a really good way of doing it. as long as u have a server with phpMyadmin and mySql :) Jan 06 06:52:10 PatrickC: I'll see if i can submit it to preware Jan 06 06:52:33 https://github.com/Appstuh/webOS_Repository Jan 06 06:53:15 coolstar-pc: srsly email me and Ill do what I can! Jan 06 06:53:17 cwayne: Just wondering, did you guys at canoical see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkgahANeq14 Jan 06 06:53:50 coolstar-pc: I didn't but I'll watch it tomorrow Jan 06 06:54:08 cwayne: They say some things that need to be fixed in linux in general. Jan 06 06:54:20 as much as you guys seem to not believe... Jan 06 06:54:37 we've got a lot of VERY smart people working on a lot of issues Jan 06 06:55:01 * rwhitby chooses to use Ubuntu, but never uses a GUI for Linux Jan 06 06:55:06 i promise we're doing all we can to make Ubuntu a real desktop linux Jan 06 06:55:17 cwayne: really? mind blown. i thought you guys were a bunch of coding monkeys Jan 06 06:55:25 rwhitby: i appreciate that :) Jan 06 06:55:55 invalidopcode: dont know if kidding or.... Jan 06 06:56:05 cwayne: all of WebOS Internals infrastructure is built around Ubuntu Server Jan 06 06:56:16 cwayne: hahaha :P Jan 06 06:56:20 cwayne: build system, servers, etc Jan 06 06:56:33 rwhitby: nice! if you ever need any support, send me a ping! Jan 06 06:57:01 cwayne: ka6sox looks after our infrastructure, I'll make sure he knows there's a webOS spy in Canonical ;) Jan 06 06:57:22 invalidopcode: i know now ubuntu is the linux to make fun of, but we really have a LOT of people working on all/every usability issue Jan 06 06:57:53 cwayne, all our infra is 10.04 LTS. Jan 06 06:58:03 (or chroots for 11.04) Jan 06 06:58:11 rwhitby: dude seriously, let me know of any HUGE issues, and I'll see what I can do :) Jan 06 06:58:26 woooo!!! they mentioned webOS at 4:24 in that video lol Jan 06 06:58:30 ka6sox: ^^ Jan 06 06:58:44 cwayne: we appreciate the offer. I showed Jono Bacon my touchpad running Ubuntu in a chroot at OSCON last year and he was pretty impressed. Jan 06 06:59:08 rwhitby: jono's a good guy :) Jan 06 06:59:21 cwayne: no, i know you guys do, really i do. i use Ubuntu server when i need a fast server setup, and i install ubuntu desktop on other people's desktops i just don't it mine, but i know you guys to an excellent job Jan 06 06:59:33 cwayne: yeah, from the very short time I spent with him, I can tell that. Jan 06 06:59:47 cwayne, without the Ubuntu Chroot on my TP I would not be able to manage our Infra. Jan 06 07:00:27 rwhitby: well if you need support and cant get a fasst answer, let me know. I've been a huge webOS fan from the start, and I'll see what I can do Jan 06 07:00:37 i can just see it now: WebOS 4.0 - powered by Ubuntu :P Jan 06 07:00:58 Im sure you guy s have better contacts Jan 06 07:00:59 cwayne: we're going to be commissioning a new server soon, so ka6sox may just need to take you up on that offer ;) Jan 06 07:01:13 but if you need a real webOS fan.. here I am :) Jan 06 07:04:56 * PatrickC is off to bed for real Jan 06 07:04:57 night all Jan 06 07:05:08 PatrickC: night Jan 06 07:05:14 night PatrickC Jan 06 07:08:16 I think the open source community can make some webos features for 4.0 to make even android and iOS users jealous Jan 06 07:08:52 coolstar-ipod: webos multitasking already makes them jealous :P Jan 06 07:08:57 I can try seeing if we can also make something like "iWebOS" Jan 06 07:10:09 invalidopcode: If you guys want a good html5 dev for webos, I'm here Jan 06 07:10:53 I do know for one, webos must use Linux 3.0 Jan 06 07:11:03 why? Jan 06 07:11:06 As in for webos4 Jan 06 07:11:38 Linux 3.0 is the next-gen Linux kernel Jan 06 07:11:53 It will provide a more stable core Jan 06 07:12:36 its the same as Linux 2.6.... they just updated the name (plus all of the patches since then) Jan 06 07:13:15 invalidopcode: but it's a good point for bragging, nonetheless Jan 06 07:13:50 haha thats true. then we could put a big sticker on it "Now with Linux 3.1 inside!" Jan 06 07:14:00 Indeed Jan 06 07:14:08 Linux 3.1 for Workgroups Jan 06 07:14:24 Haha Jan 06 07:14:25 wrea: booo, im wating for 3.11 :P Jan 06 07:16:43 anyway.. night guys! Jan 06 07:16:43 And sure, cards are good, but the home screen space can be used for something else and the cards can be overlayed (like multifl0w or proswitcher for iOS) Jan 06 07:17:31 coolstar-ipod: yeah, it would be nice to have icons on the homescreen too... anyway good night! Jan 06 07:17:59 invalidopcode: I was thinking more like widgets Jan 06 09:20:29 weed larm Jan 06 16:58:34 * sugardave tackles services today. Jan 06 17:08:41 what sorta services? Jan 06 17:10:41 forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad-apps/309914-wildn-video-poker-update.html Jan 06 17:11:01 there's a promo in that post, for anyone who wants to nab it Jan 06 17:11:51 zephjc: I'm working on an internal app and the API I want to use doesn't work with an enyo.WebService or enyo.xhrGet...so I'm going to try a service and see what happens Jan 06 17:14:26 ah, nice Jan 06 18:08:06 fxspec06: must not have reached slickdeals yet, it's still valid Jan 06 18:08:33 and it's been ... a whole hour! Jan 06 18:09:44 lol Jan 06 18:09:49 it's been all night actually =p Jan 06 18:10:12 i wonder how many of the 53 will review it. 8 used so far Jan 06 18:10:30 so what's with the 2 8H Jan 06 18:10:52 how many decks are you using Jan 06 18:11:28 2 8H .. ? Jan 06 18:11:44 the screenshot in that thread Jan 06 18:12:01 o lmao Jan 06 18:12:11 that's err a produced screenshot Jan 06 18:12:24 a hard coded one. lolol Jan 06 18:12:30 i think i should fix it Jan 06 18:12:39 it's supposed to be a 6 Jan 06 18:12:52 man, you can't even cheat properly ;P Jan 06 18:14:00 lmao Jan 06 18:14:31 how do u think i make the boot screenshot. i have to generate the cards first =P Jan 06 18:17:05 * fxspec06 fires up titanium and emulator Jan 06 18:25:12 fixed. http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad-apps/309914-wildn-video-poker-update.html Jan 06 18:27:11 (that was on the android market too) -- but not anymore. Jan 06 18:48:29 any eta on the source code? Jan 06 19:24:09 CoverSlide: when it's ready? Jan 06 19:24:10 nobody knows Jan 06 19:48:28 hey all Jan 06 20:15:37 hey Jan 06 20:19:45 hows it going? Jan 06 20:28:53 not bad - doing code rollout today across our servers Jan 06 20:31:11 fun Jan 06 20:58:29 yea lol Jan 06 20:58:38 AND glamorous! Jan 06 21:01:03 so glamorous Jan 06 21:01:39 how else are you supposed to impress the ladies? Jan 06 21:01:58 hah Jan 06 21:05:16 lol Jan 06 21:08:26 the life of a DevOps guy is NEVER Glamourous..... Jan 06 21:24:31 http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1215934p1.html Jan 06 21:24:40 Skyrim's Craziest Mods and Glitches Jan 06 21:24:40 Hilarious videos of some of our favorite Skyrim mods and glitches. Jan 06 21:24:49 nice Jan 06 21:26:30 sweet, video games Jan 06 21:28:29 mmmm.... fancy lte... Jan 06 21:29:27 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1691038885.png I can live with that Jan 06 21:29:27 I don't... like, what do people do on their phones that make LTE viable? Jan 06 21:29:41 I guess tethering, or video chat, or netflix Jan 06 21:29:42 nonono, I has mifi Jan 06 21:29:45 oh Jan 06 21:29:51 that's a lot more reasonable Jan 06 21:30:12 heh, I forgot how... different verizon can be Jan 06 21:30:55 what does that mean? Jan 06 21:31:12 I go to the store to get a month to month plan on my mifi (from amazon), I sign 1 thing saying there is a 35 dollar activation fee, and I'm out the door. didn't pay a thing in store. Jan 06 21:31:34 yeah Jan 06 21:32:23 now I just need to make ndrive work on mah pre3 and then its call att and cancel tethering time. Jan 06 21:36:19 actually, first is flip fans in my desktop time. Jan 06 21:36:27 but before that, innout time Jan 06 21:37:16 screw you Jan 06 21:37:21 I want in n out Jan 06 21:37:44 MINE Jan 06 21:37:58 since its like, right next to the vzw store Jan 06 21:38:26 its been over year now since ive had it Jan 06 21:38:28 halfhalo, ndrive on pre3? :) Jan 06 21:38:33 and before that was 2 years Jan 06 21:38:50 Closest one is Redding Jan 06 21:38:53 ndrive on _some_ pre Jan 06 21:39:37 I just want it to work without putting my phone in airplane mode :( Jan 06 21:39:45 I know I bought it on some device a while back, but dunno which Jan 06 21:40:11 4x4 animal style Jan 06 21:40:44 mebe the veer... hmmm Jan 06 21:41:48 damn this mifi is fast... Jan 06 21:42:03 I have it on my pre+ with 2.1 and it works but only on wifi or airplane mode Jan 06 21:44:11 we should clone the navigation app of android, it rocks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 06 22:06:39 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 06 22:07:27 2012 Jan 06 22:07:55 Brybry: thanks for suggesting that RDP client, it worked splendidly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 06 22:08:09 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 06 22:08:41 2012 Jan 06 22:09:23 lol Jan 06 22:09:47 rdp for touchpad? Jan 06 22:14:13 Brybry: yeah it work perfectly at school. now i can use it as a Windows 7 tablet if i need too :P Jan 06 22:14:50 Shadyman: yup Jan 06 22:15:20 hmm. does it do vnc too? ;) Jan 06 22:15:56 Shadyman: not this particular app :/ Jan 06 22:18:43 ah Jan 06 22:31:46 which touchpads are running webos? Jan 06 22:32:06 they... what? Jan 06 22:32:14 pretty much all touchpads run webOS Jan 06 22:32:28 or at least come with webOS, until people soil them with android Jan 06 22:32:31 I was using the term generically, not HP-specific? Jan 06 22:32:43 touchpad isn't really a generic term though Jan 06 22:32:50 mischko: touchpads are specific to HP Jan 06 22:33:06 sorry. Is there any other vendor doing "tablets" :) with WebOS? Jan 06 22:33:06 touchpads are a generic term ... Jan 06 22:33:07 the HP TouchPad is the only tablet to run webOS Jan 06 22:33:13 k. Jan 06 22:33:14 they're the ~3" things on your laptops Jan 06 22:33:20 dwc-: they just mean something else :) Jan 06 22:33:43 in theory other tablets could run webOS, but as it stands, the TouchPad is the only one Jan 06 22:34:05 looks like HP is no longer selling them? Jan 06 22:34:40 correct Jan 06 22:34:49 HP shut down their webOS hardware division Jan 06 22:35:04 SO SAD to see webOS declining. :( :( Jan 06 22:35:39 they're opensourcing it Jan 06 22:35:52 in the future, you could feasibly install webOS on whatever tablet you can get your hands on Jan 06 22:36:37 but applications make or break an OS and chances look slim for its application space. Unless developers get behind it.... Jan 06 22:36:49 Really sad situation. It's the best. Jan 06 22:37:08 I sure hope it makes a strong comeback. Jan 06 22:37:59 mischko: actually, when HP open sources enyo, it could possibly be a big boost to webOS apps, because enyo can do cross-platform really well Jan 06 22:38:52 invalidopcode: devs are gona have to move to enyo, and away from the systems they're used to Jan 06 22:39:10 We'll see. I still hope it gives us a viable competitor for the 2 900 pound gorillas we now have to deal with. Jan 06 22:39:48 summatusmentis: thats true, for existing developers, but it might be able to attract the attention of new devs Jan 06 22:40:14 (though i know its still a long shot, im just being optimistic) Jan 06 22:40:19 any eta on these open-sourcing efforts? Jan 06 22:41:31 no Jan 06 22:54:57 Before or after the Mayan Apocalypse? Jan 06 23:03:36 Hi everyone Jan 06 23:05:41 has anyone worked with XML in Enyo? Jan 06 23:07:54 why would you want to work with XML at all? :) Jan 06 23:08:09 Since the api is returning xml :( Jan 06 23:16:10 booo Jan 06 23:16:22 what API? or can you say? Jan 06 23:16:45 Eve Online :( Jan 06 23:17:11 maybe you could look around to see if you can find an XML to JSON parser Jan 06 23:17:30 the only time I ever messed with XML I found it easier to use xpath to parse/manipulate it Jan 06 23:17:45 I tried to convert xml to json but I was keep getting circular path Jan 06 23:17:46 javascript should have some XML libraries Jan 06 23:18:16 error: Uncaught TypeError: Converting circular structure to JSON Jan 06 23:19:03 * oilsworkn hates xml for the most part Jan 06 23:19:16 well, you can change the handleAs property of your web service to xml and should at least get the doc fragment or whatever it's called Jan 06 23:19:23 everyone hates xml Jan 06 23:19:51 json is just so awesome Jan 06 23:22:29 how do you get attributes in json? Jan 06 23:22:44 json doesn't have attributes like xml does Jan 06 23:23:35 so if my xml has attributes and I convert it to json what happens to them? Jan 06 23:24:14 i dont know, what do you do with them when you convert it? Jan 06 23:25:10 hehe good question Jan 06 23:25:31 var test=enyo.json.parse(JSON.stringify(e.toString())); // e is argument of function containing the xml Jan 06 23:25:38 thats what I'm doing right now Jan 06 23:25:54 and result I get is : info: [object Document], /usr/palm/fr Jan 06 23:35:41 yeah Jan 06 23:35:47 i dont think that does what you think it does Jan 06 23:36:10 another problem is that in their xml they have ^M :( Jan 06 23:36:23 json.stringify just turns an object into a json string Jan 06 23:36:37 then you parse it back to an object Jan 06 23:36:51 ^M is not an XML problem Jan 06 23:37:02 line endings are line endings Jan 06 23:37:04 i dont know what e is, or what the toString method of whatever it is does Jan 06 23:37:25 e for me is usually an Exception Jan 06 23:37:34 but, if its xml, it means its already a string, and toString is making your string a string Jan 06 23:37:43 yo dawg Jan 06 23:38:17 thats true, Jan 06 23:38:28 but then whats the best approach to working with this xml? Jan 06 23:39:29 http://bit.ly/wZuxvr Jan 06 23:40:22 lol Jan 06 23:40:26 personally, im no fan of dom parsing Jan 06 23:43:38 get your xml doc and traverse it with xpath Jan 06 23:43:48 or "select" things with xpath Jan 06 23:45:35 IceXtreme: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction_to_using_XPath_in_JavaScript Jan 06 23:47:44 neat :) Jan 06 23:49:46 sugardave, coming in with actual help after I just stir the pot a little Jan 06 23:50:17 but any time i can get someone into a lmgtfy link i feel like i've accomplished something :) Jan 06 23:50:26 haha Jan 06 23:54:22 i remember when kense (old PatrickC) used to ask me questions all the time i had lmgtfy up and ready on another monitor to answer his questions Jan 06 23:54:29 eventually he got it Jan 06 23:54:48 haha Jan 06 23:54:54 I remember those Jan 06 23:55:40 I really need to remember to check github first when I'm thinking of writing a service Jan 06 23:55:50 I could be a day ahead of where I am now Jan 06 23:57:27 hehe the nasty way (dom parsing) worked except its messy :( Jan 07 00:00:13 Thank you sugardave and oilsworkn :) Jan 07 00:00:14 :D Jan 07 00:00:27 huzzah, shared credit! Jan 07 00:01:26 ok, time to get out of this place for the weekend Jan 07 00:04:33 Has anybody seen HP's Reflex Test app? Jan 07 00:09:17 How do I make a tappable div that is the size of the screen? Jan 07 00:10:22 http://i.imgur.com/s9YvK.jpg im sure theres a metaphor about mobile computing in there somewhere Jan 07 00:15:39 tivo for android.. woot Jan 07 00:16:16 that you don't need a head? Jan 07 00:17:07 my god the HP Veer is a nice phone! Jan 07 00:22:12 whats the largest screened webOS phone? Jan 07 00:23:48 pre3? Jan 07 00:25:14 zephjc, the pre3 Jan 07 00:28:13 k, thanks Jan 07 00:29:07 do Touchstones come with the phones, are those extra? Jan 07 00:29:49 zephjc, extra, but they can be found for fairly cheap Jan 07 00:29:49 or are* Jan 07 00:30:16 in europe the veer came with a touchstone, i think Jan 07 00:30:23 ~ $5 on amazon Jan 07 00:30:38 does verizon still have them? Jan 07 00:30:41 or 50 euros :( Jan 07 00:30:57 they were $5 w/ free 2 day shipping Jan 07 00:38:21 I have a veer thats wifi only. Havent used it in a while though Jan 07 00:53:01 How do I make my pre3 reinitialize the calendar database? Mine's getting flaky. Jan 07 00:53:26 I deleted my Google account and re-added it and I _think_ that caused it to be flaky. Jan 07 00:54:15 Like now when I add an event, it shows up in the Profile shows "UNDEFINED". Jan 07 00:54:28 ...the profile shows up as "UNDEFINED" Jan 07 00:54:42 and I have alarms go off that aren't visible anywhere. Jan 07 01:06:23 must be time for a luna restart... taps in cardview or my notifications area stopped working Jan 07 01:08:00 *that* has become more scary with the Veer, there's no hardware reset afaik Jan 07 01:08:23 shouldn't be any different? Jan 07 01:08:48 in the pre you can take the battery out... is there another way? Jan 07 01:10:46 the UI still works Jan 07 01:10:53 so does the power button Jan 07 01:11:19 ah it has frozen on me once Jan 07 01:11:30 then after 10 minutes or so it rebooted Jan 07 01:14:24 yea, that ahppens too Jan 07 01:17:06 isn't there a button combo that makes it reset? (not opt-sym-r) Jan 07 01:18:28 yes Jan 07 01:18:38 wait, not opt-sym-r? Jan 07 01:20:56 like on the iPod touch if you hold the sleep/wake and the home button Jan 07 01:22:04 tell me tell me! Jan 07 01:22:27 madnifient: ? Jan 07 01:22:49 how hard is it to tab-compltee my name? Jan 07 01:23:03 how ironic: s/compltee/complete Jan 07 01:23:29 coolstar-pc: right before you dwc- and RagingMind said something about a key-combo to reboot the device :) Jan 07 01:24:08 madnificent: idk. Lets see if someone else knows it. Jan 07 01:24:17 madnificent, http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb/na/veer/veer/att/solutions/article/23197_en.html Jan 07 01:26:54 RagingMind: lol, the note contains the important information Jan 07 01:27:09 thanks!!! especially with the long batterylife of the veer, this worried me a bit. Jan 07 01:27:12 RagingMind, madnificent, hey guys! long time no see Jan 07 01:27:28 http://www.webosroundup.com/2012/01/breaking-app-tuckerbox-is-now-out-of-beta/ Jan 07 01:27:33 coolstar-pc: you stayed quite cool after my statement, good going! :D Jan 07 01:27:52 hey coolstar-pc, hows the browser going? Jan 07 01:28:06 I wasn't sure if all webos devices supported the power+ringer switch thing Jan 07 01:28:38 does the veer? Jan 07 01:28:43 i know the pre3 does Jan 07 01:28:48 its my main form of restarting :P Jan 07 01:29:09 hey cool PatrickC, didn't know you were writing there :) Jan 07 01:29:18 yep :) Jan 07 01:30:07 also: the veer is absolutely everything i wanted it to be. after the riverstone, they built a pebble. the screen is bent again! unlike the dull screen of the pre2 (which imo missed the point of the pre) Jan 07 01:30:43 * madnificent also dislikes the pre3, but is willing to accept it for as long as he hasn't has had it in his pants for a week Jan 07 01:30:48 the pre2 was my favorite one Jan 07 01:30:55 the original pre Jan 07 01:31:05 if it was faster yeah Jan 07 01:31:12 hold it in your hand and you realize that it was never meant to be a smartphone, it was meant to be a portal to the world Jan 07 01:31:14 but as it stands, the pre2 is the fastest/best imo :) Jan 07 01:31:27 no other smartphone i've ever touched gave me the feeling of not being a smartphone, aside from the pre Jan 07 01:31:30 the front of the pre2 threw me off, but the pre3 looks damn good Jan 07 01:31:58 RagingMind: i don't want a phone bigger than the pre, that was about perfect for me. the screen resolution could've been higher though. Jan 07 01:32:26 the Pre3 looks good... and is big Jan 07 01:32:28 super slow though Jan 07 01:32:30 for me Jan 07 01:32:34 if the front of the pre2 wasn't ugly and the resolution was higher, I'd have gotten one of those instead Jan 07 01:32:41 PatrickC: you just have it, right? Jan 07 01:32:50 "just have it"? Jan 07 01:32:52 RagingMind: word! Jan 07 01:32:55 PatrickC: it's rather new Jan 07 01:33:04 ive had my pre3 for about a month Jan 07 01:33:09 oh, that's odd Jan 07 01:33:11 it should be fast then Jan 07 01:33:16 the veer is rather fast Jan 07 01:33:22 it rarely really lags (to my surprise) Jan 07 01:33:23 I'm so used to my stock kernel pre+ that the pre3 feels amazing Jan 07 01:33:25 the pre2 was faster though Jan 07 01:33:53 the pre3 has less ram then the pre2 (iirc) Jan 07 01:34:00 no it doesn't Jan 07 01:34:05 madnificent, um... kinda Jan 07 01:34:13 how do you mean, kinda? Jan 07 01:34:24 the architecture of the Pre3 means that some of that memory is shared with other stuff Jan 07 01:34:27 kinda like the pixi Jan 07 01:34:37 ah, the video chip takes over some of the memore? Jan 07 01:34:39 memory? Jan 07 01:34:49 awh man, i absolutely hate it how marketing kicked in Jan 07 01:34:57 modem/video... something. not totally sure Jan 07 01:35:15 i'm somewhat they didn't create all those non-keyboard phones that supposedly were in the pipeline. Jan 07 01:35:38 PatrickC: then i take my words back. it surprises me that it really makes a difference though. Jan 07 01:35:48 it makes a huge difference Jan 07 01:36:05 i use my pre3 and it reminds me of my +, then use the pre2 and think "this is what the pre3 should have been" Jan 07 01:36:30 ouch, that hurts Jan 07 01:36:35 the screen is simply too low a resolution on the pre+/pre2 Jan 07 01:36:44 the veer surprised me with the fact that *everything* just goes on it Jan 07 01:37:06 the keyboard IS good enough. i don't know who stated that it was too small, i don't have micro-hands but it's just fine for me. it only *looks* scary to type on Jan 07 01:37:23 and the screen is *just* big enough for everything i need, not bigger, it could've had a higher resolution, but it's just good enough Jan 07 01:37:28 that's my largest gripe with using my Pre+ (and a the lag when i'm trying to use DTMF menus) Jan 07 01:37:40 the oly downside is that i always lose it in the morning in my bed. Jan 07 01:38:07 you sleep with your veer? cute :-P Jan 07 01:38:28 RagingMind: it's on the touchstone next to me. my natural reaction to a phone waking me, is to place it somewhere under the sheets so it makes less noize Jan 07 01:39:00 how did you make your pre3 super slow, Patrick? Jan 07 01:41:42 PatrickC: The browser's ok. I just have to fix up the omnibar, and add the x button to the omnibar Jan 07 01:41:50 PatrickC, not sure I'd consider App Tuckerbox coming out of beta "breaking" news Jan 07 01:42:03 breaking news is like, webos cancelled Jan 07 01:42:09 it brings the palm-beta feeds back to the public Jan 07 01:42:19 that is something that has been wanted since it was removed :) Jan 07 01:42:24 most of the public doesn't care :P Jan 07 01:42:24 and its open to everyone now Jan 07 01:42:28 or, breaking news omg a new webos device Jan 07 01:42:36 the ones who read WOR and use preware care ;) Jan 07 01:42:48 I read WOR and use preware, but I don't care Jan 07 01:42:53 oh, good thing I don't read WOR or I'd be proving you wrong Jan 07 01:43:00 (I only sorta-care) Jan 07 01:43:09 dwc-, got it covered for ya ;) Jan 07 01:43:29 'cmon cut him some slack Jan 07 01:43:53 it mightn't be the most important thing, but it's not like everything is exploding in the webos world atm either Jan 07 01:45:26 plus, you know, it's more fun to read 'breaking news' than to read nothing at all Jan 07 01:46:05 though maybe "just in:" or "fresh from twitter:" would've been just fine Jan 07 01:46:09 what are the palm-beta and palm-web feeds? Jan 07 01:46:21 madnificent: not video chip, cellular modem functionality takes memory on the Pre 3 Jan 07 01:46:54 rwhitby: is it that much? it seems like something that shouldn't be wasting nor using much. given it's history. Jan 07 01:46:58 its Jan 07 01:47:11 madnificent: you get 384 MB out of 512 Jan 07 01:47:17 woah! Jan 07 01:47:29 for the modem only?! Jan 07 01:48:25 that fits more than a full fledged bulky common lisp environment with loaded code and all... that's like huuuuge. Jan 07 01:48:45 invalidopcode, the beta feeds (where people can submit their beta apps) are now back open to the public, and the web feeds (a non-public version of the app catalog that used to be public only via preware) Jan 07 01:49:09 PatrickC: ah, cool. thanks Jan 07 01:49:15 np :) Jan 07 01:49:16 invalidopcode: we lost access to it during the leo age Jan 07 01:49:24 hmm, make that era Jan 07 01:49:26 load up preware, install app tuckerbox, and enjoy :) Jan 07 01:49:30 lol Jan 07 01:49:44 ah haha when my touchpad is operational again i will do that :P Jan 07 01:50:14 though you know, leo was a good example to some. he shows that paying executives much money may yield more money for the company. so it's not bad that companies pay them much. Jan 07 01:50:15 what did u do to it? haha Jan 07 01:50:34 madnificent, it also showed us what *not* to do haha Jan 07 01:50:39 http://rretsiem.tumblr.com/post/15427058833/inspiredbyapple-touchwiz-on-the-left-a Jan 07 01:51:03 i got Archlinux ARM running on it, but i had messed with the partitions and i'd been having some fs problems anyway so i decided to doctor it Jan 07 01:51:13 PatrickC: we *knew* that we shouldn't launch devices without a press release. that we shouldn't say dumb things like 'no hardware, we don't do that' or that sort of shit. Jan 07 01:51:29 lol Jan 07 01:51:49 the more i use windows, the more i want OS X Jan 07 01:52:08 i am concidering hackintosh more and more every day lol Jan 07 01:52:22 but, by buying the install disk :) not a cracked version Jan 07 01:52:42 PatrickC: hackintoshes are a pain, just saying Jan 07 01:52:45 <3 linux Jan 07 01:52:54 speaking from experience invalidopcode? Jan 07 01:53:01 PatrickC: yup Jan 07 01:53:07 madnificent: +1 for linux too Jan 07 01:53:08 madnificent, so do i, i just dont want to lose all the compadibility that windows has Jan 07 01:53:14 invalidopcode, really? ugh.. lol Jan 07 01:53:20 i really dont want to have to buy a mac :/ Jan 07 01:53:48 PatrickC: yup... like wifi didn't work on my laptop, and i had to do some weird hacks to get graphics working properly Jan 07 01:53:57 that stinks Jan 07 01:54:12 but i must say that Mac OS X kernel panics are interesting to watch :P Jan 07 01:54:27 you have to pick your PC carefully to make sure that all the hardware is supported Jan 07 01:54:47 i like lifehacker has a good article on that... somewhere Jan 07 01:54:54 *i think Jan 07 01:55:18 i was reading them yeerdayst Jan 07 01:55:22 yesterday* Jan 07 01:55:26 why are skype calls on the pre3 landscape only? or do I just not see the controls to rotate? Jan 07 01:55:46 i was wondering that too Jan 07 01:55:47 * madnificent would like the update for his veer Jan 07 01:55:48 * PatrickC brb Jan 07 01:55:56 gonna boot to linux so i can do node.js Jan 07 01:56:54 and I've only gotten touch 2 share to work once just after the bf and I got touchpads. hasn't worked between them since then and doesn't seem to work with my pre3 :( Jan 07 01:57:40 * madnificent wants a tp Jan 07 02:01:24 third time attempting to doctor :/ ... meta-doctor doesn't like Jan 07 02:01:25 me Jan 07 02:15:07 rwhitby: ping Jan 07 02:21:16 invalidopcode: that means it failed, right Jan 07 02:21:57 madnificent: yeah... it seems to get in a loop of reformating something... Jan 07 02:22:05 good luck with it! Jan 07 02:22:18 haha thanks Jan 07 02:22:44 i had it set with the option to make a 2G ext3 partition, but im going to try it without to see if it works Jan 07 02:24:40 does webos doctor need to be run as root on the host system? Jan 07 02:25:35 AFAIK it only needs access to the usb port. you need a user with enough rights, but that's likely going to be any user. Jan 07 02:25:56 ok thanks... doctoring again now :/ Jan 07 02:26:52 I doctored last night, took forever to populate my apps Jan 07 02:27:19 i haven't even gotten to the "booted" stage yet :P Jan 07 02:28:37 * PatrickC mumbles at IRC bouncer Jan 07 02:28:37 hm... lovely now its working, since i removed the option to create the extra ext3 partition Jan 07 02:32:01 sweatshop-hp-topaz? i swear you see the strangest things in installer logs Jan 07 02:34:09 lol Jan 07 02:35:10 hm... now its in a reboot loop Jan 07 02:35:18 is that normal? Jan 07 02:35:50 what did u just do? Jan 07 02:36:02 doctor it Jan 07 02:36:10 meta or regular? Jan 07 02:36:14 meta Jan 07 02:36:17 * PatrickC doesnt have his bouncer configured yet Jan 07 02:36:25 #webos-internals is the best place for help :) Jan 07 02:36:30 tho, i did regular and it did the same thing Jan 07 02:36:40 that doesnt sound good Jan 07 02:36:45 yeah Jan 07 02:36:59 hrmm... Jan 07 02:37:10 did u mess with the fs? Jan 07 02:37:28 the partitions a bit Jan 07 02:37:30 * PatrickC forgets what tool coolstar-pc and invalidopcode use to change the side the icons are on in ubuntu :) Jan 07 02:37:45 gconf Jan 07 02:37:54 ill be back later Jan 07 02:37:59 ok cya Jan 07 02:42:00 * PatrickC decided to just go kde Jan 07 02:46:36 invalidopcode: i saw that too! the sweatshop thing, made me laugh :D Jan 07 02:53:43 * PatrickC is gonna give vi a chance Jan 07 02:56:18 is 2.4mb big for a twitter app? lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 07 02:59:57 2012