**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 07 02:59:57 2012 Jan 07 03:02:58 PatrickC user vim :P Jan 07 03:03:01 *use Jan 07 03:05:32 * PatrickC brb Jan 07 03:05:38 ive been looking at it Jan 07 03:05:45 i dont like the idea of a cmd line text editor :) Jan 07 03:06:26 there we go, i have my bouncer working again :) Jan 07 03:06:36 invalidopcode, what about best with a gui? Jan 07 03:08:26 ive heard some good things about emacs, thoughts? Jan 07 03:10:43 for KDE, kate works nicely if you just need a text editor Jan 07 03:10:57 i wrote my whole boxcar app in kate Jan 07 03:12:36 i want something with syntax highlighting Jan 07 03:12:45 and a few add-ons that i can pick and chose from Jan 07 03:12:48 emacs looks nice Jan 07 03:13:27 kate has syntax highlighting... idk i tried emacs, i didn't really like it Jan 07 03:15:39 * invalidopcode wrote my boxcar app using terminal and kate Jan 07 03:16:56 Portlandia makes me happy Jan 07 03:19:27 obviously my system is not set up properly to run emacs lol Jan 07 03:20:15 argh.. i keep hitting the exit button on windows in ubuntu haha Jan 07 03:20:25 i really need kde to finish installing lol Jan 07 03:21:16 remove the exit button from the windows Jan 07 03:21:21 fixed Jan 07 03:21:24 lol Jan 07 03:21:30 im installing kde, its almost done Jan 07 03:21:33 no need to do that now Jan 07 03:21:43 a few years ago I kept hitting the x in windows xp pro instead ox minimize Jan 07 03:21:46 so I removed the X Jan 07 03:21:48 but i cant install any libs that emcas needs right now Jan 07 03:21:49 was just a "window" Jan 07 03:21:59 emacs?!?! what are you a demon? use vim. Jan 07 03:22:00 :O Jan 07 03:22:01 lol Jan 07 03:22:05 lol Jan 07 03:22:07 +1 vim Jan 07 03:22:10 i hate command line editors :P Jan 07 03:22:12 a hole where the x use to be Jan 07 03:22:13 ed is where it's at. Jan 07 03:22:14 tried them Jan 07 03:22:15 +1 kate Jan 07 03:22:21 screw kate, try joe. Jan 07 03:22:22 kate++ Jan 07 03:22:23 they are confusing to me :P Jan 07 03:22:23 :p Jan 07 03:22:43 I edit kate with my joe editor. Jan 07 03:22:50 brb gotta log out/in Jan 07 03:22:52 then I nano that bitch Jan 07 03:22:55 with vvim Jan 07 03:22:55 notepad :P Jan 07 03:22:57 on a related note, the port of nano in preware appears to have very broken handling of the enter key -_- Jan 07 03:22:59 notepad++ Jan 07 03:23:01 notepad is pathetic Jan 07 03:23:08 scgtrp: yes, it does Jan 07 03:23:16 arrow keys, hello, arrow keys please Jan 07 03:23:30 there's a great userfriendly comic about this.... i need to go find it Jan 07 03:23:37 lol Jan 07 03:25:04 * scgtrp uninstalls it Jan 07 03:26:48 install sl Jan 07 03:26:53 so if you mistype ls Jan 07 03:27:04 a "Steam Locomotive" trains across your terminal Jan 07 03:27:04 lol Jan 07 03:27:50 lol Jan 07 03:28:06 argh.... Jan 07 03:28:19 i installed kde, told it to boot to kde, and i got unity! :/ Jan 07 03:28:35 unity, meh Jan 07 03:29:00 exactly why i tried to install kde Jan 07 03:29:14 that doesn't make sense Jan 07 03:29:21 why didn't you just install kubuntu? Jan 07 03:29:28 why didn't you just install gnome Jan 07 03:29:29 or Jan 07 03:29:30 icewm Jan 07 03:29:34 or a light weight window manager Jan 07 03:29:48 or.. debian. Jan 07 03:30:01 invalidopcode, i was hoping that 11.10 had the "classic ubuntu" option Jan 07 03:30:24 window maker Jan 07 03:30:25 trenchant: i was running gnome 3 on my touchpad earlier :P Jan 07 03:30:28 9wm Jan 07 03:30:33 twm Jan 07 03:30:34 afterstep Jan 07 03:30:39 blackbox Jan 07 03:30:41 enlightenment Jan 07 03:30:43 openbox Jan 07 03:30:47 fvwm Jan 07 03:30:54 lxde Jan 07 03:30:56 ratpoison Jan 07 03:30:59 sawfish Jan 07 03:31:01 uhmmmm Jan 07 03:31:08 I like IceWM Jan 07 03:31:11 like 12mb memory Jan 07 03:31:11 PatrickC: ah haha ok Jan 07 03:31:40 gnome is good tho Jan 07 03:31:44 KDE is just bloatware Jan 07 03:31:51 im srsly thinking about uninstalling ubuntu and installing kubuntu lol Jan 07 03:31:52 Enlightenment  Jan 07 03:31:56 install debian Jan 07 03:32:13 i like bloatware lol Jan 07 03:32:17 makes everything look pretty :) Jan 07 03:32:23 yeah, I'm using windows 7 pro right now Jan 07 03:32:27 so I can't say anything Jan 07 03:32:28 :O Jan 07 03:32:29 lol Jan 07 03:32:36 trenchant: i like KDE :P Jan 07 03:32:38 invalidopcode, howd gnome 3 run? Jan 07 03:32:42 * PatrickC is about to boot back to win 7 home prem Jan 07 03:32:53 wrea: actually surprisingly well Jan 07 03:33:11 okay. I think I'm nearly done tweaking my site Jan 07 03:33:22 what site? Jan 07 03:33:30 I don't really like the menu, but, I need to think on that one more Jan 07 03:33:33 invalidopcode, that is surprising Jan 07 03:33:35 hey cwayne, just the man i was looking for :) Jan 07 03:33:39 * PatrickC j/k Jan 07 03:33:41 PatrickC: http://geeknexus.com/ Jan 07 03:33:55 wrea: i was running it on archlinux arm Jan 07 03:34:09 awesome Jan 07 03:34:16 man, I wanna make a processor and call it "leg" Jan 07 03:34:19 trenchant, nice Jan 07 03:34:23 or "balls" Jan 07 03:34:29 "my phone has a leg in it" Jan 07 03:34:30 PatrickC: whats up Jan 07 03:34:30 haha Jan 07 03:34:34 that way I can say "I'm running archlinux on balls" Jan 07 03:34:35 wrea: some of the stuff was a little awkward because of being touch, but it ran fast Jan 07 03:34:47 or, tits Jan 07 03:34:52 cwayne, i installed kde, told ubuntu to use it at the login screen, but when it finished booting i had unity still Jan 07 03:34:53 hey cwayne, our ubuntu prophet! what's up? Jan 07 03:34:57 "my phone is running on tits, I see you are still using arm" Jan 07 03:35:06 invalidopcode, isnt it supposed to be intuitive traditionally and with touchscreens? Jan 07 03:35:44 PatrickC: hmm, seems odd, i've never seen that, sorry Jan 07 03:35:49 wrea: well yeah, but it was with the classic shell because the guy working on it hasn't gotten the composition enabled for the Gnome Shell to work Jan 07 03:35:53 invalidopcode: lols, just bein a guy, doin guy things Jan 07 03:36:12 ah, that makes more sense Jan 07 03:36:18 cwayne: good to know, we wouldn't want you to be a guy doing girl things :P Jan 07 03:36:27 brb gonna uninstall ubuntu and install kubuntu Jan 07 03:36:27 lol Jan 07 03:36:31 yeah thatd be weird Jan 07 03:36:34 well, you could always be a tranny doing girl things Jan 07 03:36:53 PatrickC: just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop Jan 07 03:38:15 apt-get install cycle Jan 07 03:38:19 there you go, a man doing woman things Jan 07 03:38:22 installing 'cycle' Jan 07 03:38:55 I think I've been using linux too long >.< Jan 07 03:39:22 uhh, i'm a moron. is it possible to open a shell on the touchpad without reading /etc/profile? Jan 07 03:40:28 cwayne: I did that with the package manager Jan 07 03:40:29 PatrickC and trenchant: here was that comic i mentioned: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990508 Jan 07 03:40:58 that reminds me of https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O1zASr4Y3bw/TwbuxXXXfqI/AAAAAAAAlV4/KCn8WeYgqBY/h301/HowThingsChanged.jpg Jan 07 03:41:17 hahaha Jan 07 03:41:32 ahh, never mind, fixed it Jan 07 03:41:33 invalidopcode: haha Jan 07 03:41:47 they used magnets, pfft Jan 07 03:41:57 I flipped bits to write assembly by focusing photons from the sun. Jan 07 03:42:14 something something butterflies Jan 07 03:42:27 lol Jan 07 03:42:36 and I did it with ecc memory! Jan 07 03:42:49 * scgtrp considers attempting to code on the touchpad itself Jan 07 03:43:05 * PatrickC got kde working Jan 07 03:43:06 I just watch porn with the wife in the shower on the touchpad Jan 07 03:43:07 its really nice Jan 07 03:43:08 now Jan 07 03:43:19 last time i used it, it seemed kinda klunky Jan 07 03:43:22 best 99$ Jan 07 03:43:34 trenchant: hahahahaha Jan 07 03:43:45 doctoring touchpad... round 6 Jan 07 03:44:06 wrap it in saran wrap and duct tape it to the shower wall Jan 07 03:44:08 fixed. Jan 07 03:44:41 haha Jan 07 03:44:51 wife said "That's NOT a stylus" Jan 07 03:45:49 I still can't believe she talked best buy into letting her get two touchpads Jan 07 03:45:55 when they were only selling one per person. Jan 07 03:45:59 hehe Jan 07 03:46:25 she said she almost got mugged by angry shoppers on the way to the car Jan 07 03:46:42 best buy can't resist a red head Jan 07 03:47:13 okay bed time for me, you all be sage and safe :D Jan 07 03:47:33 haha night Jan 07 03:47:45 why didnt i start using kde sooner???!!!! Jan 07 03:47:48 lol Jan 07 03:48:45 hello Jan 07 03:48:51 hello duce Jan 07 03:48:57 hi patrick Jan 07 03:49:06 need some help Jan 07 03:49:11 with what? Jan 07 03:49:25 my niece put a password her HP Touchpad Jan 07 03:49:33 and she forgot it Jan 07 03:49:38 how do i reset it? Jan 07 03:49:48 doctor Jan 07 03:49:53 thats all i can think of Jan 07 03:49:56 * invalidopcode hates doctor Jan 07 03:50:08 do you have a link ? Jan 07 03:50:19 http://palm.com/rom Jan 07 03:50:29 thank you patrick Jan 07 03:50:37 wait, do you have dev mode on? Jan 07 03:50:50 in theory you could install the bypass-password patch Jan 07 03:50:57 i dont know Jan 07 03:51:04 i can't even get in now Jan 07 03:51:17 what can you novaterm in? Jan 07 03:51:19 over USB? Jan 07 03:51:32 yup Jan 07 03:52:19 I'm realizing now that I'm saying this that I don't actually know if that means dev-mode is on Jan 07 03:53:12 i don't even remember the email or password i set up the device with Jan 07 03:54:21 if you can get to the device, there's theoretically a way to install the bypass PIN patch via the command line Jan 07 03:54:25 might be easier to doctor Jan 07 03:54:48 i have the device Jan 07 03:54:58 how do i do that? Jan 07 03:55:17 well, that's the part I'm not sure about the steps Jan 07 03:55:53 any link for tutorial? Jan 07 03:58:02 what desktop OS are u on? Jan 07 03:59:48 window Jan 07 03:59:57 do you have the webOS SDK installed? Jan 07 04:00:01 or even webOS Quick Install? Jan 07 04:00:02 yup Jan 07 04:00:20 plug the device in via USB and open a command prompt Jan 07 04:01:03 ok\ Jan 07 04:01:12 when the device is plugged in and the command prompt is open, type 'novacom -t open tty://' Jan 07 04:01:14 minus the 2 ' Jan 07 04:01:21 let me know what it says Jan 07 04:05:10 it just sit there Jan 07 04:05:20 nothing seem to happen Jan 07 04:05:27 the command line says nothing? Jan 07 04:05:29 hmm... Jan 07 04:05:38 and u typed in 'novacom -t open tty://'? Jan 07 04:05:44 hit enter and see what happens Jan 07 04:06:26 when i hit enter this is what i get ] Jan 07 04:06:28 8 Jan 07 04:06:40 oops. that was suppose to be in emacs :) Jan 07 04:06:46 hmm.. open up webOS Quick install Jan 07 04:07:01 then click on the second option (i forget the name) Jan 07 04:07:08 well, actually Jan 07 04:07:19 when u open up webOS quick install, what happens? Jan 07 04:07:43 i don't know if i have the webos quick install Jan 07 04:07:57 u have the sdk, right? Jan 07 04:08:03 yup Jan 07 04:08:05 type 'palm-install -l' Jan 07 04:08:10 ok Jan 07 04:08:11 in the command line Jan 07 04:09:12 what does it do? Jan 07 04:10:00 palm-install: unknow option '-1' Jan 07 04:11:03 hmm.. try palm-install Jan 07 04:11:12 with no options tagged onto it Jan 07 04:11:58 1 is not lowercase L Jan 07 04:12:08 oo haah Jan 07 04:12:11 :D Jan 07 04:12:26 brb Jan 07 04:13:00 well, emacs was confusing too haha Jan 07 04:14:40 emacs? http://bit.ly/wkA2n4 Jan 07 04:14:54 xD Jan 07 04:14:59 haha Jan 07 04:27:56 i got the touchpad reset with doctor Jan 07 04:28:16 Thank guyz Jan 07 04:30:02 you did the doctor??? Jan 07 04:30:10 yes Jan 07 04:30:11 i hope u remember the palm profile creds :) Jan 07 04:30:26 what that? Jan 07 04:31:05 the Palm Profile Login credentials Jan 07 04:31:20 yup Jan 07 04:31:33 not that you couldn't just reset it or anything Jan 07 04:31:37 ok cool Jan 07 04:31:47 oil, earlier he said he didnt remember Jan 07 04:32:03 i don't even remember the email or password i set up the device with Jan 07 04:32:19 without the email, i dont think u could do that Jan 07 04:32:27 yea i just try the email i could of use Jan 07 04:32:36 ok Jan 07 04:32:42 https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface Jan 07 04:33:05 so i read that hp is goin to come out with new touchpad that open source Jan 07 04:33:29 oil, how would one use that page if they forgot their email/password/both? Jan 07 04:33:37 ok, email Jan 07 04:33:42 i see the "forgot password" link Jan 07 04:33:44 you gotta remember your email Jan 07 04:33:56 nobody has a forgot email link lol Jan 07 04:34:04 haha Jan 07 04:34:10 select email from accounts where rand()? Jan 07 04:34:11 actually, i have seen a few :P Jan 07 04:34:14 "is this your email? Jan 07 04:34:21 is THIS your email? Jan 07 04:34:21 lol Jan 07 04:41:41 wow.. webOS Nation still hasnt done a post on App Tuckerbox being out. figured they would have by now.. Jan 07 04:46:41 and coolstar-pc returns :) Jan 07 04:46:54 yup Jan 07 04:47:24 I've decided on a feature I'm gonna add to my browser for iOS and webOS Jan 07 04:47:30 themes :) Jan 07 04:47:33 nice! Jan 07 04:47:50 A theme that works on iOS will work in webOS Jan 07 04:47:57 thats cool Jan 07 04:48:03 after all, a theme will be nothing more than a simple JPEG file Jan 07 04:48:03 what about plugins? :) Jan 07 04:48:25 PatrickC: Plugins, or Addons? Jan 07 04:48:38 either/or :) Jan 07 04:48:41 There is a difference Jan 07 04:49:04 A plugin is something like flash. An addon is something like Adblock Jan 07 04:49:38 then addon Jan 07 04:50:11 PatrickC: I'm not sure about addons, but if I do make them, it probably won't be cross platform... Jan 07 04:50:49 how is the onmibar coming? Jan 07 04:51:32 PatrickC: Its goin ok right now Jan 07 04:51:43 cool Jan 07 04:51:49 have u used Advanced Browser? Jan 07 04:52:02 PatrickC: no Jan 07 04:52:44 * coolstar-pc guesses he might have to reboot. The File manager in KDE isn't working at all. Jan 07 04:53:24 why not just kill and restart the file manager? Jan 07 04:53:36 hes already gone.. haha Jan 07 04:53:39 oil: that doesn't work Jan 07 04:53:48 or not lol Jan 07 04:53:52 oil: I tried killing dolphin Jan 07 04:54:48 Ok. My pc rebooted Jan 07 04:54:50 It Jan 07 04:55:03 I should be back on my pc in a few secs Jan 07 04:55:04 that was quick Jan 07 05:04:36 It seems like I have to wait for a ping timeout... Jan 07 05:05:02 well, u timed out :) Jan 07 05:05:28 It still puts that ugly underscore Jan 07 05:05:39 put one at the beginning and end Jan 07 05:05:41 * coolstar-pc_ doesn't like the underscore at the end Jan 07 05:05:43 like Jan 07 05:05:53 <_PatrickC_> :) Jan 07 05:06:15 On my iPod the underscores show Jan 07 05:06:24 even though they don't in webchat Jan 07 05:06:31 weird Jan 07 05:06:45 Great Jan 07 05:06:46 were u authenticated with your account before? Jan 07 05:06:52 Yes Jan 07 05:07:01 u can kick yourself off :) Jan 07 05:07:58 ok Jan 07 05:08:02 * PatrickC just lost his desktop on kubuntu Jan 07 05:08:04 uh oh Jan 07 05:08:26 PatrickC: Did you try killing Xorg? Jan 07 05:08:30 nope Jan 07 05:08:34 everything works Jan 07 05:08:44 i just have a white background with no icons haha Jan 07 05:09:10 do you have the launcher still? Jan 07 05:09:21 i have everything but the background and desktop icons Jan 07 05:09:45 wonder what's with the |away in the nick, when there's the /away and the /back commands Jan 07 05:10:06 i use it when i log off from my computer Jan 07 05:10:20 I just use /away Jan 07 05:10:24 my bouncer automatically does /nick PatrickC|Away Jan 07 05:11:12 ok Jan 07 05:13:51 * PatrickC is still wondering where his desktop dissapeared to Jan 07 05:16:23 Did someone steal it? Jan 07 05:16:33 yep Jan 07 05:17:00 haha Jan 07 05:17:43 its probably eloping with webos on my touchpad :P Jan 07 05:17:54 lol Jan 07 05:17:55 they both seem to be lost :P Jan 07 05:18:11 its really weird that i have everything else, just no desktop haha Jan 07 05:19:09 http://imgur.com/DG5pb Jan 07 05:20:49 PatrickC: Alt-f2 and type "plasma-desktop Jan 07 05:20:51 " Jan 07 05:21:07 oh Jan 07 05:21:12 it's running, there's just no wallpaper, cute Jan 07 05:21:30 wow, xchat looks like shit on kubuntu Jan 07 05:21:44 rrix, and no desktop icons, and no widgets Jan 07 05:21:49 yeah it does Jan 07 05:21:53 yeah Jan 07 05:21:58 That's interesting Jan 07 05:22:01 i never thought i would say this, but the windows version looks better! haha Jan 07 05:22:11 this happened when trying to change my wallpaper Jan 07 05:22:13 lol Jan 07 05:22:15 PatrickC: install oxygen-gtk or something Jan 07 05:22:21 PatrickC: can you pastebin your ~/.kde/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc ? Jan 07 05:22:25 Or use Konversation :P Jan 07 05:22:27 (for the uglyness of xchat) Jan 07 05:23:01 sorry, I hack plasma in my freetime, I'm in a debug mood :p Jan 07 05:23:09 lol Jan 07 05:23:38 also what happens if you try to set a new wallpaper? Jan 07 05:24:21 how do i get to that without the desktop? :) Jan 07 05:24:25 sorry, totally new to kde Jan 07 05:24:32 like 1-2 hours experience lol Jan 07 05:24:33 Can you not right click the desktop? Jan 07 05:24:38 nope Jan 07 05:25:23 odd Jan 07 05:25:29 ~/.kde/config doesnt exist Jan 07 05:25:34 ~/.kde4/config/? Jan 07 05:25:55 nope Jan 07 05:25:59 * rrix boggles Jan 07 05:26:14 $KDEHOME/config/? :) Jan 07 05:26:55 i have ~/.kde Jan 07 05:27:02 but there is no config folder in it :) Jan 07 05:27:19 Oh, wow I'm tried Jan 07 05:27:21 tired Jan 07 05:27:27 ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc Jan 07 05:27:28 haha Jan 07 05:27:45 jeez Jan 07 05:27:55 invalidopcode: My empathy looks horrible too. It's not because oxygen-gtk is not installed Jan 07 05:28:21 invalidopcode: Gtk2 apps work fine, its the gtk3 ones that are such a stickler. And I can't get the gtk3-engines-oxygen working either Jan 07 05:28:31 rrix, http://pastebin.com/E16YGyyc :) Jan 07 05:28:48 coolstar-pc: ah, this is for archlinux but it might help....https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_Look_for_QT_and_GTK_Applications Jan 07 05:35:01 * PatrickC is still scratching his head about his desktop.. Jan 07 05:35:03 hmm Jan 07 05:35:11 would killing xorg fix it? Jan 07 05:35:45 PatrickC: Try opening Konsole, killing plasma-desktop, and press alt+F2 and enter plasma-desktop Jan 07 05:37:22 i dont see plasma-desktop in konsole Jan 07 05:39:47 and alt-F2 then plasma-desktop doesnt work Jan 07 05:55:05 http://www.webosroundup.com/2012/01/breaking-twitter-for-webos-is-back/ Jan 07 06:26:29 stupid.. it was a fake :/ Jan 07 06:26:33 Twilter for webOS :/ Jan 07 06:26:56 bbl Jan 07 06:27:10 pwned Jan 07 06:52:55 twilter? I hardly know'er! Jan 07 10:23:12 hey i need some help.. Jan 07 10:23:31 where can i put my this code in enyo file Jan 07 10:24:14 http://pastie.org/3142457 Jan 07 10:24:37 will this come into component part or content p? Jan 07 16:52:52 * PatrickC finally has a real mail client Jan 07 16:53:46 what does that mean? Jan 07 16:55:16 ive been using the web version of gmail Jan 07 16:55:22 i finally got outlook running again Jan 07 16:55:36 I love the web version of gmail Jan 07 16:55:47 its nice, but i like a standalone program Jan 07 16:58:32 but now... outlook is deciding to crash when trying to download my mail... i guess ill install sp3 and see if it does that still Jan 07 18:57:58 Hi guys. I'd like to add some stuff to the Wiki - the Mojo Design Icons page - is it possible to get permissions to edit? Jan 07 19:07:29 I never liked outlook Jan 07 19:11:24 * invalidopcode is not the owner of a large HP brick Jan 07 19:11:27 *now Jan 07 19:12:04 ouch Jan 07 19:12:58 yeah, thankfully it should still be under warranty, so im going to try sending it in Jan 07 19:13:22 that should be fun Jan 07 19:14:16 haha yeah. it looks like their's nothing wrong with the hardware, so from i can tell they should just need to do a factory reflash (i'm hoping) Jan 07 19:16:12 sooooo you broke it? Jan 07 19:17:07 haha yup :/ actually, more specifically i Doctor broke it Jan 07 19:19:55 its in that weird Qualcomm mode, so at least from my end their isn't anything else i can do Jan 07 19:35:45 PatrickC_Away: outlook sucks! Jan 07 19:35:55 show me a mail client with good threaded view Jan 07 19:37:07 PuffTheMagic_: thunderbird has threaded view Jan 07 19:38:51 mutt Jan 07 19:39:53 awww too bad haeffb isn't here Jan 07 20:08:57 I have a working service Jan 07 20:08:58 fear me Jan 07 20:09:50 * summatusmentis cowers in fear Jan 07 20:10:24 hey, sugardave, do the companies you work with have to have some form of contract with HP for you to work on porting their app? Jan 07 20:10:32 or do they just have to say "go"? Jan 07 20:10:59 it's a pretty loose situation...at least the Zite one was. It all kind of depends on the partner Jan 07 20:11:17 I'm going to try and drive for a more standard way of dealing with them Jan 07 20:11:17 I'll fear you only if its a doomsday service. Jan 07 20:11:37 "more standard"? Jan 07 20:11:39 wrea: it could be, you never know Jan 07 20:11:59 oh dang Jan 07 20:12:11 summatusmentis: yeah, like a couple of options: "We dev the thing", "You dev the thing and have us review/test" ...etc Jan 07 20:12:19 and some SOWs would be good :) Jan 07 20:12:54 I'm trying to push another one across the finish line that they have been working on for a long time...but the partner keeps adding things and deadlines keep getting missed/pushed Jan 07 20:13:02 I see, interesting Jan 07 22:50:27 hi Jan 08 01:51:47 sugardave: dang, haeffb still isn't here. Jan 08 01:51:50 i need to rub something in Jan 08 01:58:55 ...? Jan 08 01:59:10 ksu killed missou Jan 08 01:59:13 sounds like a personal problem Jan 08 01:59:21 lol Jan 08 01:59:26 clearly Jan 08 02:00:42 what do you think...det or no? Jan 08 02:02:12 * Tibfib_ likes sproles Jan 08 02:02:14 so saints Jan 08 02:02:26 i like sproles Jan 08 02:02:35 but i like stafford too Jan 08 02:02:41 but i hate suh Jan 08 02:03:20 but I like det better because the packers have proven they can beat them by more Jan 08 02:05:56 heh. I still can't believe the chiefs beat the packers Jan 08 02:06:44 me either Jan 08 02:07:56 bbl Jan 08 02:07:58 tibfib_: by the way, I talked to my uncle Jan 08 02:08:12 nice! Jan 08 02:08:18 he's going to see if he can find an "opportune time" to bring it up Jan 08 02:08:25 I asked ed to write a letter as well Jan 08 02:08:34 thank you! Jan 08 02:08:57 no problem Jan 08 02:08:58 as always Jan 08 02:09:09 no guarantees, but I'll try Jan 08 02:09:30 much appreciated Jan 08 02:09:44 alright, I'm out. have a good night everyone Jan 08 02:09:48 adioos Jan 08 02:20:37 any recommended webos/enyo resources.... Jan 08 02:21:05 developer.palm.com Jan 08 02:22:21 got my pre3 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 08 02:59:57 2012