**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 08 02:59:57 2012
Jan 08 05:01:47 <halfhalo> hmmm.  i need to pack.
Jan 08 07:06:49 <oms> hi..can i put my javascript code directly into my enyo file?
Jan 08 07:13:31 <oms> any help??
Jan 08 19:17:55 * fxspec06 takes a nap
Jan 08 19:56:40 <EricBlade> so.. my new employer gave me an ipad2.  i like my touchpad better i think.
Jan 08 20:12:20 <invalidopcode> hey EricBlade! how was your trip?
Jan 08 20:14:15 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: well, i didn't make any progress on wanting to port it to unknown platforms (no one even recognized the name "webOS"), but i should have some constant work at least thru july
Jan 08 20:17:02 <invalidopcode> ah well at least thats good
Jan 08 20:18:40 <EricBlade> i can't wait to get my apps on iPad
Jan 08 20:21:19 <invalidopcode> well maybe when HP open sources enyo, its shouldn't be that hard
Jan 08 20:21:30 <panel> hello guys
Jan 08 20:22:27 <EricBlade> yeah.. the available google voice and the free subsonic apps on ipad are terrible
Jan 08 20:23:38 <invalidopcode> isn't the Google voice app on the ipad the offical one?
Jan 08 20:23:48 <invalidopcode> panel: hello
Jan 08 20:30:03 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: is there a subsonic app for webos?
Jan 08 20:30:17 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: the one i'm working on
Jan 08 20:31:19 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: the official one on iOS runs in the phone-emulator on the ipad, and the alternative pay-for one too closely mimics the messaging app for my tastes
Jan 08 20:31:24 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: ah... looks interesting... i'd be happy to help test if you need it (after i get my touchpad working again)
Jan 08 20:36:22 <dwc-> sounds like you'd need an ipad to help
Jan 08 20:38:12 <invalidopcode> i meant to help with the subsonic app for webos
Jan 08 20:44:04 <coolstar-pc> Anyone know the webos equivilannt of console.log?
Jan 08 20:44:34 <EricBlade> coolstar-pc: console.log
Jan 08 20:44:56 <EricBlade> though if you're using mojo or enyo, there are more advanced functionalities, like this.log() in enyo .. not sure what it is in mojo
Jan 08 20:45:14 <coolstar-pc> EricBlade: I'm using enyo
Jan 08 20:45:54 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: http://ericbla.de/gvoice-webos/?p=297
Jan 08 20:46:26 <EricBlade> coolstar-pc: in most places in enyo kinds, you can use this.log() .. although it sometimes blows up on circular references
Jan 08 20:46:55 <coolstar-pc> EricBlade: I figured it out. For some reason console.log doesn't work while console.info does
Jan 08 20:47:17 <coolstar-pc> and my most preferred way to debug (alert) doesn't work either
Jan 08 20:47:24 <EricBlade> weird. i wonder if you have something overriding console.log maybe from an external source
Jan 08 20:48:51 <coolstar-pc> EricBlade: I'm not overriding it. The only external js i'm loading is enyo
Jan 08 20:49:04 <invalidopcode> i think enyo.log() works too
Jan 08 20:49:57 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: ok, cool
Jan 08 20:50:11 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, get the touchpad fixed?
Jan 08 20:50:39 <PatrickC> EricBlade, got a question for u, PM?
Jan 08 20:50:49 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: nope :/ its in a weird qualcomm mode, so im going to call up HP tomorrow
Jan 08 20:51:01 <PatrickC> that isnt good
Jan 08 20:51:07 <PatrickC> and what did #webos-internals say?
Jan 08 20:51:20 <invalidopcode> they said to call up HP
Jan 08 20:51:24 <PatrickC> wow..
Jan 08 20:51:26 <PatrickC> that stinks :/
Jan 08 20:51:50 <invalidopcode> i think its just that bootie got corrupted, and it should just be something that it needs a factory flash
Jan 08 20:52:01 <PatrickC> wow..
Jan 08 20:52:09 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: I've fixed up the UI part of the omnibar, but there's still this weird bug I have to iron out
Jan 08 20:52:24 <invalidopcode> yup...
Jan 08 20:52:25 <PatrickC> whats the bug?
Jan 08 20:52:40 * PatrickC wonders how bootie got corrupted
Jan 08 20:53:29 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: The js i'm using to parse urls don't work. for some reason document.createElement("a").href.hostname returns .media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.org.coolstar.browserhd instead of the hostname of the url
Jan 08 20:53:52 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: The omnibar js works fine in chrome, so i wonder why it doesn't work in webos considering both are webkit
Jan 08 20:54:05 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: I'm gonna try this out https://raw.github.com/kvz/phpjs/master/functions/url/parse_url.js
Jan 08 20:54:10 <PatrickC> i dont think the webkit version in webOS is as up-to-date as Chrome
Jan 08 20:54:47 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: im wondering the same thing :/ it shows up as a serial port on my computer, so i think its waiting for a firmware download or something (which i don't have the tools for)
Jan 08 20:55:04 <PatrickC> yeah.. thats really weird
Jan 08 20:55:15 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: The acid3 test on webos only scores 94/100
Jan 08 20:55:26 <PatrickC> im gonna send my pre3 to wosi as it has broken a6 firmware
Jan 08 20:55:51 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, what does Chrome get?
Jan 08 20:55:56 * PatrickC doesnt have it open ATM
Jan 08 20:55:57 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: 100/100
Jan 08 20:56:15 <PatrickC> hmm.. maybe the 6 that webOS doesnt have is what u need :)
Jan 08 20:56:19 <EricBlade> coolstar-pc: sounds like you're getting the app's name rather than the name of the site it's attached to, which kind of makes sense a bit . what are you trying to do?
Jan 08 20:56:44 * PatrickC brb
Jan 08 20:56:51 <PatrickC> reboot to linux to build a meta-doctor time :)
Jan 08 20:57:23 <coolstar-pc> EricBlade: I'm trying to get the hostname of the url. If the hostname contains a period, treat it as a url. Otherwise, if its localhost, still treat as url, but if not treat as google search
Jan 08 21:02:51 <EricBlade> strip it between http:// / https:// and the first /, if those items are present, check it for a ".", make a decision :)
Jan 08 21:03:23 <EricBlade> i haven't yet figured out regex in javascript, it seems weird, but if you know that it should be super simple, if not, a few lines of string functions
Jan 08 21:07:10 <sugardave> var regexp = /http.*:\/\/(.*)\/.*^; var matches = regexp.exec(theString); console.log matches[1];
Jan 08 21:09:02 <EricBlade> ^^ what sugardave's keyboard just barfed
Jan 08 21:09:24 <EricBlade> regex, much like perl, looks like computer vomit
Jan 08 21:09:39 <sugardave> yeah, my regexp is VERY inefficient
Jan 08 21:09:47 <sugardave> but I don't care, as long as it works
Jan 08 21:09:52 <EricBlade> i bet if i plugged that into perl, it would format my hard drive
Jan 08 21:09:59 <sugardave> hah
Jan 08 21:10:38 <EricBlade> listen to sugardave he's way better at this than i am
Jan 08 21:10:54 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: I think I can use this: http://phpjs.org/functions/parse_url:485
Jan 08 21:11:32 <sugardave> probably...but mine is only 2 lines :)
Jan 08 21:12:19 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: I prefer to not use regex. Like EricBlade said, it does look ugly.
Jan 08 21:12:30 <sugardave> ?
Jan 08 21:12:37 <sugardave> that's what the code you pasted is using :P
Jan 08 21:13:20 <coolstar-pc> i didn't notice that. lol
Jan 08 21:16:29 <Tibfib_> oops.
Jan 08 21:18:02 <PatrickC> lets see if i can actually download all these doctors haha
Jan 08 21:19:46 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, coolstar-pc, what terminal do u guys use? xterm?
Jan 08 21:20:04 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: personally, i use Konsole, because im in KDE
Jan 08 21:20:04 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: I used to use gnome-terminal, and I now use konsole
Jan 08 21:20:27 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: Lol we pressed enter at the same time
Jan 08 21:20:43 <invalidopcode> coolstar-pc: haha i noticed. nice timing :P
Jan 08 21:21:12 <PatrickC> well, i only have kde desktop :)
Jan 08 21:21:28 <PatrickC> i searched for Konsole in the start (i know..) menu and didnt find it
Jan 08 21:21:39 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: Its the kickoff launcher
Jan 08 21:22:14 <coolstar-pc> ok. that phpjs code didn't work.
Jan 08 21:22:20 * coolstar-pc is gonna try sugardave's regex
Jan 08 21:24:25 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: [20120108-13:23:25.433569] error: Uncaught SyntaxError: Invalid regular expression: missing /, CoolStarBrowser.js:81
Jan 08 21:24:44 <sugardave> oh
Jan 08 21:24:46 <sugardave> yeah
Jan 08 21:24:53 <sugardave> add one more / at the end of the regexp
Jan 08 21:26:26 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: if its not there, just install it
Jan 08 21:27:05 <coolstar-pc> sugardave:  error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property '1' of null, CoolStarBrowser.js:83
Jan 08 21:27:11 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, thats what im doing, but since this is Ubuntu with KDE desktop, im following a tutorial on how to install it haha
Jan 08 21:27:32 <sugardave> then there was no match...
Jan 08 21:27:37 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: just open up xterm and type "sudo apt-get install konsole"
Jan 08 21:28:10 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: I think its cuz the touchpad's keyboard makes it Http instead of http. I'm trying to feed it into the regex using url.toLowerCase(0
Jan 08 21:28:16 <coolstar-pc> *Case()
Jan 08 21:28:21 <PatrickC> really? this tutorial says i have to add the feed to the sources.list
Jan 08 21:28:53 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: If you're using a debian based distro, konsole should be in the default sources
Jan 08 21:28:53 <invalidopcode> iirc is should already be in the main source if you installed KDE
Jan 08 21:29:08 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: Nice timing again :)
Jan 08 21:29:21 <PatrickC> installing :)
Jan 08 21:29:29 <PatrickC> funny.. installing a terminal with a terminal lol
Jan 08 21:29:52 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: When I made a terminal app, I used another terminal to debug it
Jan 08 21:29:59 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: Debugging a terminal with a terminal lol
Jan 08 21:30:08 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 08 21:30:11 <invalidopcode> coolstar-pc: hahaha awesome
Jan 08 21:31:24 * PatrickC gets back to debugging his app
Jan 08 21:31:44 <EricBlade> while i was at the apple store obtaining my ipad for work, the guy saw my TouchPad, and said "it is ignominious what HP did to webOS".  my boss gave him a dollar for using that word.
Jan 08 21:32:11 <sugardave> really?  I would have punched his pretentious ass in the face
Jan 08 21:32:30 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 08 21:33:39 <EricBlade> he was really excited to see both a TouchPad and a Pre2.  i was .. surprised
Jan 08 21:33:55 <coolstar-pc_> How do I kick myself off?
Jan 08 21:33:59 <EricBlade> he thought the ability to share sms and calls was amazing
Jan 08 21:34:27 * invalidopcode looks up ignominious in the dictionary 
Jan 08 21:34:42 <sugardave> coolstar-pc: looks like you're using the webchat, so if you close that tab or otherwise browse away, you're outta here
Jan 08 21:34:47 <EricBlade> yeah i did that too after, invalidopcode
Jan 08 21:35:40 <invalidopcode> Adjective:Deserving or causing public disgrace or shame:  "ignominious defeat". interesting....
Jan 08 21:35:45 <coolstar-pc_> sugardave: It's because I was here, and apparently webchat errored out, so now my nick has this ugly underscore at the end. I always identify my nick, so I want to know how to kick that other session
Jan 08 21:35:57 <sugardave> oh
Jan 08 21:36:19 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, i did that too haha
Jan 08 21:36:27 <invalidopcode> coolstar-pc_: i think there's a ghost command for that iirc
Jan 08 21:36:35 <EricBlade> msg nickserv ghost
Jan 08 21:36:50 <coolstar-pc_> thank you
Jan 08 21:36:50 <sugardave> there you go
Jan 08 21:37:03 <PatrickC> sugardave, can anyone op up?
Jan 08 21:37:08 <sugardave> hahaha
Jan 08 21:37:09 <sugardave> no
Jan 08 21:37:13 <PatrickC> i didnt think so :)
Jan 08 21:37:22 <invalidopcode> sugardave was just showing off
Jan 08 21:37:37 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 08 21:39:34 <EricBlade> the built in browser in iOS 5 is really quite nice on tablet, though it's depiction of tabs doesn't make sense
Jan 08 21:40:02 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: btw. I don't want the regex finding the dots in the url for me. I just want to find out the hostname from the url.
Jan 08 21:41:04 <coolstar-pc> I think I might have figured it out
Jan 08 21:41:05 <coolstar-pc> http://beardscratchers.com/journal/using-javascript-to-get-the-hostname-of-a-url
Jan 08 21:41:15 <sugardave> coolstar-pc: well, now you have the entire hostname, so you can either match against that with a new regexp, modify the original, or be wild and do .split(".") on you current result and the answer will be in index[0]
Jan 08 21:41:22 <sugardave> er index 0
Jan 08 21:42:07 <sugardave> coolstar-pc: you want host name or domain name?
Jan 08 21:42:22 <sugardave> how should it work if you go to www.google.com vs. google.com?
Jan 08 21:42:44 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: http://*/
Jan 08 21:42:52 <sugardave> right
Jan 08 21:42:56 <sugardave> that's what you get now
Jan 08 21:42:57 <coolstar-pc> that's the pseudo-regex
Jan 08 21:44:01 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: Only that the http:// part is not there
Jan 08 21:44:38 <sugardave> so regexp would be /$(.*)\//
Jan 08 21:44:41 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: Even before the regex is called, it searches for http://, https://, etc. and if they're found, its treated as a url no matter what
Jan 08 21:45:05 <sugardave> would get google.com from google.com/someUrl
Jan 08 21:46:25 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: Is this right? http://pastie.org/3150824
Jan 08 21:47:06 <PatrickC> man. i love linux
Jan 08 21:48:03 <sugardave> coolstar-pc: assuming you stripped http and https from the string, that should work
Jan 08 21:48:35 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: I still get this: error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property '1' of null, CoolStarBrowser.js:83
Jan 08 21:48:50 <PatrickC> wow.. if that was the issue, i feel really stupid haha'
Jan 08 21:48:59 <sugardave> make sure you have a valid string in url, I guess
Jan 08 21:49:04 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: you should say that a little louder so cwayne can hear you :P
Jan 08 21:49:47 <invalidopcode> *about loving linux
Jan 08 21:49:52 <PatrickC> why would line 2 on http://pastebin.com/bQc8F43Y give me an error?
Jan 08 21:49:58 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 08 21:51:17 <sugardave> I'm guessing because you did something wrong
Jan 08 21:51:24 <sugardave> I'm only using history as my guide
Jan 08 21:51:54 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: I found a way without using regex
Jan 08 21:52:06 <sugardave> cool
Jan 08 21:52:08 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: var test = url.split('/'); 	return test[0];
Jan 08 21:52:12 <PatrickC> sugardave, ive progresses in my knowledge of js :)
Jan 08 21:52:19 <PatrickC> not far, but there has been progression! haha
Jan 08 21:52:24 <sugardave> coolstar-pc: that works :)
Jan 08 21:52:37 * coolstar-pc finally got his omnibar working! yay!
Jan 08 21:52:40 <PatrickC> my variables seem to be set up fine, not sure why its erroring
Jan 08 21:52:45 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, nice!!
Jan 08 21:52:51 <sugardave> PatrickC: not sure about the clipboard stuff, but I would guess "banner" is undefined
Jan 08 21:52:55 * coolstar-pc now just has to patch up a little bit of UI stuff
Jan 08 21:53:27 <PatrickC> it errors at line 2
Jan 08 21:53:32 <PatrickC> which is a variable
Jan 08 21:54:23 <sugardave> then event is likely undefined
Jan 08 21:54:37 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: why not try putting an enyo.log(e.innerText) above and see what it outputs
Jan 08 21:54:56 * PatrickC should think like invalidopcode more often :)
Jan 08 21:54:59 <PatrickC> ill try that
Jan 08 21:55:21 <invalidopcode> i think sugardave is right, but at least the log will prove it
Jan 08 21:56:09 <PatrickC> banner works fine everywhere else i use it
Jan 08 21:56:26 <invalidopcode> btw, its pobably not good to think like me or you might end up with bricked devices :P
Jan 08 21:56:36 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 08 21:57:36 <sugardave> in the absence of all information, banner was the likely culprit, but when you said "line 2" that lets me know that event is undefined
Jan 08 21:57:55 <sugardave> you are trying to assign a var to a property on an object that doesn't exist
Jan 08 21:58:02 <sugardave> that's whay it fails
Jan 08 21:58:34 <sugardave> if you said var e = event;  it will pass through even though event is undefined....e will just be undefined
Jan 08 21:58:54 <sugardave> or null or something equally "not there"
Jan 08 22:00:18 <coolstar-pc> Do you guys use an IDE for webos? and which one (if you do)?
Jan 08 22:00:31 <coolstar-pc> I personally use Eclipse
Jan 08 22:00:37 <sugardave> I just use a text editor
Jan 08 22:00:40 <sugardave> sublime2
Jan 08 22:01:03 <invalidopcode> coolstar-pc: kate, or eclipse on occation
Jan 08 22:02:25 * coolstar-pc added an onloadcomplete handler to update his omnibar's url
Jan 08 22:02:49 * coolstar-pc is trying to set his toolbar's height to 43 pixels
Jan 08 22:02:52 <PatrickC> coolstar-pc, kate or sublimetext2
Jan 08 22:03:09 <PatrickC> height: 43px;
Jan 08 22:03:11 <PatrickC> ;)
Jan 08 22:03:18 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: Doesn't work
Jan 08 22:03:47 <sugardave> style: "height: 43px !important"
Jan 08 22:03:55 <sugardave> well
Jan 08 22:03:56 <sugardave> style: "height: 43px !important;"
Jan 08 22:04:06 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: view.$.toolbar.applyStyle("height", "43px");
Jan 08 22:04:12 <coolstar-pc> that doesn't seem to work
Jan 08 22:04:34 <sugardave> try it with !important
Jan 08 22:05:13 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: still doesn't work in chrome, or webos
Jan 08 22:05:28 * sugardave really wishes he could pass this tcp connection object from his service to his app.
Jan 08 22:05:43 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: view.$.toolbar.applyStyle("height", "43px !important");
Jan 08 22:05:58 <sugardave> well, try it in the style property of the control
Jan 08 22:06:03 <sugardave> or the control's container
Jan 08 22:06:24 <coolstar-pc> sugardave: In the chrome web inspector, the style is being applied with the !important, but it can't do anything
Jan 08 22:06:38 <coolstar-pc> it seems like it's probably because an object in the toolbar is taking up the space
Jan 08 22:06:56 <sugardave> you might need to overrid min-height
Jan 08 22:06:57 <coolstar-pc> I figured it out
Jan 08 22:07:06 <coolstar-pc> stupid enyo-build.css
Jan 08 22:07:19 <coolstar-pc> 	view.$.toolbar.applyStyle("min-height", "43px !important");
Jan 08 22:07:59 * coolstar-pc got his toolbar's height right
Jan 08 22:18:17 <Harzilein> hi
Jan 08 22:21:28 <sugardave> hello
Jan 08 22:22:53 * invalidopcode wishes the touchpad had a removable battery
Jan 08 22:24:46 <halfhalo> my touchpad lasts like, a month on a charge
Jan 08 22:25:06 <halfhalo> of course, I usually lose it for a month at a time, so there is that
Jan 08 22:25:45 <halfhalo> speaking of which, where did it run off to this time... I need to pack it
Jan 08 22:26:00 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, same here hah
Jan 08 22:26:04 <PatrickC> brb dinner time
Jan 08 22:26:13 <invalidopcode> haha its not that. its just my first instinct when a device won't boot is to cut all power in case something is stored funny in the RAM, but i can't do that with the touchpad :/
Jan 08 22:45:48 <invalidopcode> haha, linux thinks my touchpad is a modem now, this just keeps getting more interesting....
Jan 08 23:05:25 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 08 23:16:22 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC: Remember that fight we had with cwayne, when I said I made my own ubuntu based distro?
Jan 08 23:19:01 <coolstar-pc> PatrickC, invalidopcode: Remember that fight we had with cwayne, when I said I made my own ubuntu based distro?
Jan 08 23:19:14 <invalidopcode> coolstar-pc: haha yup
Jan 08 23:19:49 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: I found the website I had made for it. http://gsos.comuf.com/down_gsos/ username: goldstarteam password: goldstar123
Jan 08 23:20:15 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: I haven't maintained it in 1 1/2 years, so I password protected it. I won't recommend downloading the iso
Jan 08 23:20:59 <invalidopcode> haha you had four different versions of it? was this Vista or something? :P
Jan 08 23:21:00 * cwayne may have been a little intoxicated that night
Jan 08 23:21:19 <EricBlade-mobile> Hmmm this iPad ver of irc is quite nice.  Too bad it's on an ipad
Jan 08 23:21:33 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: The four different versions were all free, but the cost was the download time. lol
Jan 08 23:22:44 <EricBlade-mobile> Cool star, I ran across an iPad game when I was messing with it that was so terrible, I actually left a review stating that I wanted my 7 seconds spent downloading it back
Jan 08 23:23:07 <invalidopcode> coolstar-pc: what, "no professional" version? :P
Jan 08 23:23:19 <invalidopcode> *no "professional"
Jan 08 23:23:37 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: I was planning on that, but I couldn't install virtualbox into the chroot that would become the iso at that time. lol
Jan 08 23:24:32 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: Gamer = Home Premium + Supertuxkart + Extreme tux racer + 20000 light years into space
Jan 08 23:25:13 <invalidopcode> haha i noticed that... i was gonna say they looked the same, then i saw that gamer included a whole 3 games :P
Jan 08 23:26:04 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: Home Basic = Home Premium - Wine
Jan 08 23:26:26 <EricBlade-mobile> Weird can't seem to close any tabs in it though
Jan 08 23:26:37 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: And Lite is Home Basic with all apps removed except Firefox and Chrome. lol
Jan 08 23:27:20 <invalidopcode> coolstar-pc: haha thats funny, sounds almost microsoft official :P
Jan 08 23:27:25 <RagingMind> coolstar-pc, why did you make them?
Jan 08 23:27:37 * invalidopcode was wondering the same thing
Jan 08 23:27:56 <coolstar-pc> RagingMind: My original purpose was to stick them on USBs, and show them off at other people's computers. Randomly plug it in and boot.
Jan 08 23:28:22 <coolstar-pc> I made these versions of different sizes cuz I have USBs of different sizes
Jan 08 23:28:26 <coolstar-pc> Then I decided to upload them
Jan 08 23:28:35 <invalidopcode> ah cool
Jan 08 23:29:01 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: But those isos are from September, 2010. So they're outdated
Jan 08 23:29:35 <invalidopcode> i did that for school. the teachers have no clue about technology, so i made up some "magic disks" LiveCDs with a version of OpenSUSE specially designed for the needs of the school
Jan 08 23:30:36 <coolstar-pc> invalidopcode: If I start on it again, I'll either fork Gnome 2, or base it on KDE
Jan 08 23:30:48 * coolstar-pc hates Unity and Gnome 3
Jan 08 23:31:05 <invalidopcode> haha yeah i had mine based off of KDE
Jan 08 23:31:24 <invalidopcode> actually gnome 3 isn't that bad on a tablet, but i don't like it on a desktop
Jan 08 23:31:57 <cwayne> coolstar-pc: theres already a fork of gnome2, i think its called mate
Jan 08 23:32:08 <coolstar-pc> cwayne: Hello
Jan 08 23:32:12 <invalidopcode> geez, why is there like no technical information available for the qualcomm APQ8060??... :/
Jan 08 23:32:52 <invalidopcode> (the touchpad's CPU)
Jan 08 23:35:32 <coolstar-pc> cwayne: Is mate in the ubuntu repos?
Jan 08 23:38:01 <RagingMind> coolstar-pc, there's already a fork of gnome 2 and there's work to make gnome 3 look/act like gnome 2
Jan 08 23:39:53 <RagingMind> coolstar-pc, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAzMTQ
Jan 08 23:41:29 <EricBlade-mobile> Well, that's fun.  Fantastic demonstration of ios multitasking -- letting the device lock drops all your persistent connections.
Jan 08 23:41:55 <coolstar-pc> EricBlade-mobile: It's because it turns off wifi to save battery
Jan 08 23:42:08 <coolstar-pc> EricBlade-mobile: Well, at least that's what my iPod Touch does
Jan 08 23:44:17 <cwayne> coolstar-pc: nope
Jan 08 23:44:23 <cwayne> coolstar-pc: im sure thres a ppa for it though
Jan 08 23:44:47 <coolstar-pc> cwayne: https://launchpad.net/~amanas/+archive/mate-desktop
Jan 08 23:44:56 <cwayne> coolstar-pc: yep thats the one
Jan 08 23:53:19 <PatrickC> EricBlade-mobile, PM?
Jan 08 23:54:36 <Tibfib_> say no
Jan 08 23:55:07 <PatrickC> haha
Jan 08 23:58:07 <PatrickC> bbl
Jan 09 00:03:36 <invalidopcode> anyone have any suggestions (age old wisdom, whatever) about making good webOS icons?
Jan 09 00:09:33 <RagingMind> s/webOS//
Jan 09 00:09:36 <RagingMind> ;)
Jan 09 00:10:13 <invalidopcode> ?
Jan 09 00:11:33 <Tibfib_> invalidopcode: hire a designer
Jan 09 00:12:10 <invalidopcode> Tibfib_: im not hiring a designer for my free little boy scout app :P
Jan 09 00:13:12 <RagingMind> invalidopcode, my point was that whatever makes a good icon on webOS won't be specific to webOS icons
Jan 09 00:13:55 <invalidopcode> oh haha ok
Jan 09 00:14:44 <RagingMind> invalidopcode, other people in here have mentioned websites that have free icons to use, but I don't remember what they were
Jan 09 00:15:16 <Tibfib_> http://www.iconfinder.com/
Jan 09 00:15:23 <Tibfib_> you can filter by license
Jan 09 00:15:31 <invalidopcode> RagingMind & Tibfib_ ah, ok thanks! ill look around
Jan 09 00:17:19 <invalidopcode> if im releasing my app as free, is it considered commercial?
Jan 09 00:21:50 <Tibfib_> no
Jan 09 00:22:19 <invalidopcode> ok, cool. i found this icon, an i think i might use it:  http://www.iconarchive.com/show/grunge-stickers-icons-by-mysitemyway/orange-sticker-badges-139-icon.html
Jan 09 00:24:06 <RagingMind> the badge thingy doesn't survive to lower resolutions all that well
Jan 09 00:24:41 <Tibfib_> well he won't need lower resolutions
Jan 09 00:26:27 <RagingMind> even a higher resolution at a small size it doesn't show up all that well
Jan 09 00:27:26 <invalidopcode> hm... i might be able to GIMP it and make the badgy thing larger
Jan 09 00:41:59 <invalidopcode> actually, i just tried it out in the emulator and it works pretty well
Jan 09 00:42:45 <invalidopcode> thanks for the help RagingMind and Tibfib_
Jan 09 01:37:14 <invalidopcode> why does HP need a social security number to allow submitting app?
Jan 09 01:45:59 <fxspec06> taxes.
Jan 09 01:46:16 <fxspec06> irs. protection
Jan 09 01:51:54 <invalidopcode> so like i don't pay taxes right now... does it really effect me much?
Jan 09 02:40:01 <Tibfib_> still need a ss number
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