**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 10 02:59:58 2012 Jan 10 04:15:26 PatrickC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdIfSDwfTqA Jan 10 04:54:13 invalidopcode, ive got a team at CES keeping me updated :) Jan 10 04:59:20 PatrickC: haha nice ;P Jan 10 05:03:09 the perks of working at a major blog :) Jan 10 05:03:21 if all goes well, i should be on the podcast tomorrow night for WOR/MR :) Jan 10 05:03:28 "major"? Jan 10 05:03:33 WOR Jan 10 05:03:41 its the second biggest webOS blog Jan 10 05:03:42 hate to break it to you Jan 10 05:03:50 but major webos blog is still a tiny blog ;) Jan 10 05:10:47 lol. big enough to get me into CES (virtually :) ) Jan 10 05:21:15 EricBlade1, ping Jan 10 05:31:47 someone ping me. need to check something Jan 10 05:36:56 PatrickC: what do you need to check? Jan 10 05:37:54 exactly that rrix :) changed mention highlighting in wirc Jan 10 05:38:03 :P Jan 10 05:38:08 last time I ran wirc on this profile was almost a year ago haha Jan 10 05:48:42 I forgot how lightning fast the pre2 is! Jan 10 05:49:03 even without a kernel Jan 10 05:50:30 how do you run it without a kernel Jan 10 05:50:49 cause the kernels won't install lol Jan 10 05:51:04 how is it running without a kernel? Jan 10 05:51:08 I installed UK, rebooted, govnah says no kernel installed and UK won't uninstall Jan 10 06:25:57 dwc-, looks like it went right over his head Jan 10 07:04:46 oh well Jan 10 07:05:39 pfft its pure magic... Jan 10 07:06:59 exactly what I was thinking Jan 10 07:13:08 * halfhalo yawns Jan 10 07:16:30 * halfhalo is slightly drunk Jan 10 07:26:27 had to boot into windows so I can install the Lightroom beta Jan 10 07:28:41 dont like all the video crap they're putting in it though Jan 10 08:03:15 If my Pre 3 says H+ that means 4g right? Jan 10 08:04:02 HSPA+. Yes. Jan 10 08:04:10 It's that or UTMS (U) Jan 10 08:04:35 it means you have the faux G working Jan 10 08:05:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA%2B Jan 10 08:05:43 hooray! Jan 10 08:05:51 UMTS is wifi calling, right? Jan 10 08:06:11 or is that another technology that starts with a U Jan 10 08:11:29 man, being in windows is weird Jan 10 08:13:12 hey all Jan 10 08:13:25 wrea 24/7 ? ;) Jan 10 08:13:26 UMTS is something else Jan 10 08:13:40 UMTS is your 3g Jan 10 08:13:48 its only just past midnight Jan 10 08:14:06 I'm probably thinking UMA Jan 10 08:14:30 yes Jan 10 08:18:07 hopefully this doctoring will fix my high load issue Jan 10 14:47:47 hey..,fxspec06 r u there..? Jan 10 15:49:01 hey guys Jan 10 15:49:32 dwc-: I understood the "joke" just didn't respond as the phone decided it was time to reboot lol Jan 10 16:08:10 grrr i have a need to use skype from my phone, and it's refusing to login Jan 10 16:27:39 oh hey EricBlade1 Jan 10 16:43:54 EricBlade1: do you have issue with skype on your phone causing it to run crazy slow? Jan 10 16:44:04 (or does anyone, for that matter) Jan 10 16:58:02 HattCzech_work! hey! Jan 10 17:22:07 HattCzech_work: it is pretty slow. also, i burned 50% of my battery in 45 minutes with it logged in Jan 10 17:22:09 WTH!!!!!!!!! Jan 10 17:22:32 that sounds similar to what happens to me Jan 10 17:22:47 although my battery got drained before i logged in, so not sure what caused that Jan 10 17:22:55 what device/os? Jan 10 17:23:02 probably the horrible cell signal i have at my apartment Jan 10 17:23:08 frankenpre2 Jan 10 17:23:26 my dad said his battery is bad too (like that) Jan 10 17:23:34 i never had issues before Jan 10 17:23:40 his went from full to 50% like that too Jan 10 17:23:48 you on 2.2.4? Jan 10 17:23:50 not sure if the phone is causing issues or what Jan 10 17:23:50 yeah Jan 10 17:24:06 and he said that govnah said the battery was *pulling* 1 amp! Jan 10 17:24:17 holy crap Jan 10 17:24:21 yeah Jan 10 17:24:45 I'll be building my frankenpre2 tonight or tomorrow so I'll be able to test Jan 10 17:24:57 HattCzech_work: have you thought about getting an Airive? Jan 10 17:25:03 i'll have to check that Jan 10 17:25:07 yeah, talked to sprint about it Jan 10 17:25:19 hopefully they'll send me one for free, need to call them back today Jan 10 17:25:23 we have one. works perfectly for us for signal Jan 10 17:30:39 HattCzech_work: you got a touchpad? Jan 10 17:32:24 yeah Jan 10 17:32:29 oh, where? Jan 10 17:33:20 i use skype on that when i have cell issues Jan 10 17:34:38 does your touchpad randomly like to reboot? lol Jan 10 17:35:57 haven't had that problem Jan 10 17:36:06 I used to have luna randomly restart Jan 10 17:36:09 on my TP Jan 10 17:36:10 i have the sound get funky occasionally Jan 10 17:36:17 yeah, I've had thattoo Jan 10 17:36:19 that too* Jan 10 17:36:44 sounds crackly Jan 10 17:36:47 my sound gets weird too.. Jan 10 17:36:48 yeah Jan 10 17:36:54 then i reboot and it's fine Jan 10 17:36:56 it never happened before 3.0.4 Jan 10 17:37:10 pulseaudio restart doesn't seem to fix it Jan 10 17:37:14 same Jan 10 17:37:23 same here. 3.0.5 needs to come already (or whatever the next OS number is) Jan 10 17:38:27 * PatrickC is getting rid of BlackBerry tonight!! :D Jan 10 17:40:51 agreed Jan 10 17:41:11 and i wish my pre2 had that extra data connection so i could use touch-to-share :/ Jan 10 17:41:11 finally will be back on webOS as a daily driver Jan 10 17:41:33 I have a Pre3, I've used TouchToShare like 3 times lol Jan 10 17:41:46 apparently T2S is neat, but mostly useless Jan 10 17:42:41 its a cool idea. just... with it limited to the browser it's kinda useless like summatusmentis said Jan 10 17:43:09 files/messages/apps/etc would be cool. even just pictures... Jan 10 17:43:10 true, but fun to play with Jan 10 17:43:32 and i do like to go to/from my phone/touchpad when looking at websites Jan 10 17:43:33 for a few times :) its a cool thing to show friends with iPhones/iPads Jan 10 17:43:39 usually phone to touchpad Jan 10 17:43:52 i have a pre3, but no at&t Jan 10 17:44:05 same here Jan 10 17:44:15 making the leap to a crappy network doesn't sound like a good idea to me Jan 10 17:44:37 I love showing my friends SMS mirroring from phone to touchpad :) Jan 10 17:44:42 same here Jan 10 17:44:44 have you looked into Red Pocket? Jan 10 17:44:53 and i love being able to type on the touchpad while i'm on the phone :) Jan 10 17:45:05 i don't know what red pocket is Jan 10 17:45:15 bah Jan 10 17:45:30 halfhalo: bah? Jan 10 17:45:39 HattCzech_work: pay-as-u-go service Jan 10 17:45:47 my feet hurt. stupid ces Jan 10 17:45:49 I have a lot of friends who use it Jan 10 17:45:52 lol Jan 10 17:46:04 halfhalo: run into any of the WOR members yet? Jan 10 17:46:11 no? Jan 10 17:46:13 or webOS Nation for that matter Jan 10 17:46:16 verge, yes. Jan 10 17:46:30 nice Jan 10 17:46:38 i tried to meet up with halfhalo last year, but he's a busy guy Jan 10 17:46:42 * PatrickC wishes he could be at CES... Jan 10 17:46:52 ah get things done Jan 10 17:46:53 stupid age restrictions lol Jan 10 17:46:53 and i'm not there this year because it's in the middle of the friggin week :( Jan 10 17:47:07 of course, I can yet to leave my hotel room this morning. stupid bars Jan 10 17:47:14 halfhalo: anything "cool" so far? Jan 10 17:47:38 saw the new toybaru car in subi form. nice little thing Jan 10 17:48:29 Red Mobile has crappy data plans Jan 10 17:48:32 * oilsworkn doesnt make joke about halfhalo and quoted "cool" in the same sentence Jan 10 17:49:07 ... Jan 10 17:49:28 :) Jan 10 17:49:45 summatusmentis: Red Pocket? Jan 10 17:50:01 I have used like all my datas already on the mifi Jan 10 17:50:02 stupid speed Jan 10 17:50:31 yes, red pocket Jan 10 17:50:34 that's what I was thinking of Jan 10 17:51:01 I use more than 200MB a week. that silly little plan would never work for me Jan 10 17:51:08 unless it was only edge Jan 10 17:51:11 like tmo Jan 10 17:51:39 its att 4G iirc Jan 10 17:51:50 and they have an "unlimited" plan (capped at 2gb) Jan 10 17:52:18 heh.... unlimited Jan 10 17:52:41 actually, that price/data amount is relatively reasonable Jan 10 17:52:49 comparatively Jan 10 17:53:32 if I wasn't in a sprint contract I would consider them Jan 10 17:54:04 pay etf. boom. done. Jan 10 17:54:17 halfhalo: so they have an ft-86 car at the show? Jan 10 17:54:25 yup Jan 10 17:54:46 halfhalo: I'm on my parents plan.. and don't have a job lol Jan 10 17:54:48 got pictures? Jan 10 17:54:51 friend got almost tackled by the rep since he got into the drivers seat and the car was live Jan 10 17:55:01 haahah awesome Jan 10 17:55:32 haha Jan 10 17:55:36 they got pissed at me at ces one time because they had a convertible and i started opening the top :) Jan 10 17:56:12 the people there need to realize that they shouldn't let people that close if they don't want them to play Jan 10 17:56:18 that's what we DO Jan 10 17:56:51 playing is all the fun Jan 10 18:01:10 halfhalo: subaru or toyota? Jan 10 18:01:21 subi Jan 10 18:01:36 i like the look of that one more Jan 10 18:01:43 any pics to share? Jan 10 18:03:19 nope. about to head to show floor soonish Jan 10 18:06:24 http://flic.kr/p/baLWeT Jan 10 18:07:02 argh, why does webos not have push notification haah Jan 10 18:07:12 constant polling is killing my pre3 battery Jan 10 18:17:19 push is poll with a long timeout Jan 10 18:18:10 * PatrickC lunch time! Jan 10 18:21:28 push is poll with a long timeout? Jan 10 18:22:38 that's not normally how push works is it? Jan 10 18:23:05 push notifications for what exactly? :p Jan 10 18:23:37 GET OUT Jan 10 18:23:43 we don't let android users here anymore Jan 10 18:23:47 :o Jan 10 18:23:52 >_> Jan 10 18:30:10 push must be poll w/ a long timeout. carriers aren't going to let you keep servers/sockets open indefinitely. How else will someone "push" to you if there isn't already a connection? Jan 10 18:30:24 bah Jan 10 18:30:39 sugardav2: yeah Jan 10 18:30:45 heh Jan 10 18:31:20 I'm working on a campfire app for us and using node-campfire...it's streaming piece is working pretty darn well as a service Jan 10 18:31:37 in theory couldn't the device just be hosting a push api? Jan 10 18:31:51 that the service would ping against? Jan 10 18:31:59 but how to contact it from THE CLOUD? Jan 10 18:32:13 summatusmentis: every time someone says push, they mean a long poll Jan 10 18:32:29 * sugardave pushes you with a long poll. Jan 10 18:32:55 sugardave: presumably the coud app would maintain a list of "registered devices" Jan 10 18:32:58 cloud* Jan 10 18:33:01 thats what...she said? Jan 10 18:33:02 oilsworkn: interesting Jan 10 18:34:10 summatusmentis: sure, but then how does the cloud service contact that device...say after the owner has rebooted it? Jan 10 18:34:42 or loses connection Jan 10 18:34:46 or switches ips Jan 10 18:39:23 but im sure a centralized api for it would help Jan 10 18:39:42 since then everything could go through the one service on the phone, instead of 6 different ones all running at once Jan 10 18:41:21 sure, that would be handy. But, you're still long polling :) Jan 10 18:41:34 right Jan 10 18:45:23 ive never long polled Jan 10 18:45:25 YOU DONT KNOW ME Jan 10 18:50:00 LET GO OF MY PURSE! I DON'T KNOW YOU! Jan 10 18:50:31 lol Jan 10 18:58:54 the only other way to do push is to use an out-of-band method to notify Jan 10 18:59:07 like, push a special SMS message to a device telling it to connect for something Jan 10 19:02:12 use extra-sensory protocol Jan 10 19:22:42 Sparrow uses push. not sure how Arthur did i Jan 10 19:22:45 it* Jan 10 19:23:41 didn't we just explain all of that? Jan 10 19:23:59 * PatrickC skimmed it Jan 10 19:24:21 but he has to have a notification open for his "push" to worka Jan 10 19:24:36 as soon as the notification is closed push stops working Jan 10 19:24:53 wait, guys, how does push work? Jan 10 19:25:37 magic, obviously Jan 10 19:26:02 oooooh, that makes sense Jan 10 19:26:16 usually a port has to be open to receive it. then when it's received it must execute some sort of instruction ... o_O << that would make too much sense tho Jan 10 19:27:53 was that too soon Jan 10 19:28:14 I think you missed the joke Jan 10 19:28:26 probably Jan 10 19:29:15 hmm Jan 10 19:29:26 to the floor Jan 10 19:29:49 dont get caught in a stampede Jan 10 19:30:18 sugardave: i was discussing the whole push notification thing with some peeps on twitter, and i think i came up with a sane way to do that sort of a thing, in which "pull with a long timeout" was the worst case fallback method Jan 10 19:31:16 i'm not certain exactly what sort of security is in place when on a cell network though, versus wifi Jan 10 19:31:19 totally showing off pre3 on bus Jan 10 19:32:32 everyone is all "lol"? Jan 10 19:32:43 but, basically, any time that the phone changes IP addresses, you have it negotiate a connection to the messaging server, detecting what port is available to talk back to the phone on. Jan 10 19:32:54 attempt to open a port via UPnP prior to that Jan 10 19:33:12 lol Jan 10 19:33:14 halfhalo: are CES people really awed by a pre3? Jan 10 19:33:20 like, it seems like most wouldn't care Jan 10 19:33:24 EricBlade1: sure, that would work for wifi Jan 10 19:33:41 good luck with AT&T/Sprint/etc Jan 10 19:33:51 surprisingly, they like it. Jan 10 19:34:16 if only they released it before the veer and touchpad Jan 10 19:34:32 yeah Jan 10 19:34:34 if UPnP and negotiation via a few different common ports fail, then make a NAT-buster attempt using one of the various ways of busting NAT, and if that fails, fallback to polling Jan 10 19:34:49 STUN! Jan 10 19:34:55 * dwc- sets phasers Jan 10 19:34:57 EricBlade1: make it so! Jan 10 19:35:20 my feet already hurt Jan 10 19:35:24 someone with more experience on the cell connection land would have to point out the potential problems there. Jan 10 19:35:32 funny thing is, since you don't know what the NAT mapping timeouts are Jan 10 19:35:39 i assume that phones have an IP address that is likely only goodon a per-tower basis Jan 10 19:35:42 your NAT buster would have to send something as frequently as once a minute Jan 10 19:35:56 at which point, you might as well be polling Jan 10 19:36:01 lol Jan 10 19:36:29 EricBlade1: the IP I get from TMO is good across multiple towers Jan 10 19:36:37 we should use GPS, cell radio, accelerometer, bt, all of it all the time Jan 10 19:36:38 I don't change IPs driving some 60 miles Jan 10 19:36:42 you might be right on that, I've never been successful with any NAT bust Jan 10 19:37:28 in which case, just throw that middle idea out then, and attempt to UPnP Jan 10 19:37:42 dumdedumdum Jan 10 19:37:42 Do the cell carriers just automatically firewall -everything- ? Jan 10 19:37:51 well, it's not necessarily throw-out-everything Jan 10 19:38:06 * halfhalo is bored Jan 10 19:38:07 you could do some sort of backoff testing to see what the limits are Jan 10 19:38:24 and eventually you can figure out where the timeout should be Jan 10 19:39:03 I would firewall everything if I were them Jan 10 19:39:07 someone needs to tell me where that one booth with android on webOS is Jan 10 19:39:08 and I wouldn't support uPnP either Jan 10 19:39:41 * oilsworkn hopes halfhalo brought something to smash it with Jan 10 19:39:48 sugardave: a couple of questions i've got for you .. first, since you did stuff with Zite, is it known that if you setup Zite on webOS, you can't then set it up on iOS ? second, do you know anything about the finer details of Skype on webOS? Jan 10 19:40:11 need to find it first Jan 10 19:41:03 seems like a weird thing to have a booth for at ces Jan 10 19:41:18 meh, Ces is crazy like that Jan 10 19:42:07 maybe they'll have em do the keynote next year when microsoft is gone? Jan 10 19:42:08 EricBlade1: I had no idea about the iOS issue...that seems odd sincce they issue you a random user ID if you don't already pass one and the auth token on your initial session Jan 10 19:42:15 someone tell me what hall that booth is in Jan 10 19:42:17 gogogo Jan 10 19:42:21 EricBlade1: skype, negative Jan 10 19:42:26 halfhalo: turn left Jan 10 19:42:34 rumor is Sony is pulling out as well Jan 10 19:43:11 oil you are more useless than android. Jan 10 19:43:15 so there Jan 10 19:43:16 sugardave: hmm. i'm reasonably certain that i signed up on zite with my emailaddress, but the iOS zite tells me i don't exist. and then when i try to create me on iOS, it tells me i can't create it because i already do exist Jan 10 19:43:54 email address....not in the Zite webOS app :) Jan 10 19:44:13 it's possible you went to their website and registered? Jan 10 19:44:18 hmm. ok, guess not then. i'll have to figure out why the iOS create doesn't work then Jan 10 19:44:22 thank you. Jan 10 19:44:29 np Jan 10 19:44:33 probably sugardaves fault Jan 10 19:44:40 i was asking about the Skype, because I was logged into Skype on my phone, and I started getting Blackberry error messages on it Jan 10 19:44:49 haha, nice Jan 10 19:45:26 silly skype Jan 10 19:45:37 every time this guy sent me a message it came up "error: blackberry.imo.im" or some such Jan 10 19:45:50 I blame rim Jan 10 19:46:18 so i was wondering if maybe our skype was using some kind fo blackberry gateway or something, since the user in question wasn't on a blackberry Jan 10 19:47:43 hmmm, unknown. Maybe Skype is using RIM's push notification system as their own? :) Jan 10 19:48:36 heh Jan 10 19:50:57 I love Zite. "Workers at XBOX 360 plant threaten mass suicide." WHAT? Jan 10 19:51:56 just like the consoles they created... Jan 10 19:53:14 zite is great Jan 10 19:55:21 sugardave: people did damn good on that webOS zite, now that i'm seeing it on iOS. just a few weird glitches in ours Jan 10 19:55:38 * sugardave is people. Jan 10 19:55:46 just you? Jan 10 19:55:58 yeah, there were a couple of things that had to get the "too bad" treatment Jan 10 19:56:42 I mean, they wrote the app, I just hacked it to work Jan 10 19:57:08 they use iScroll in their web app and performance was terrible running in an iframe Jan 10 19:57:48 ohh.. i see. Jan 10 19:58:17 you should check out the awesome power of the virtual carousel, though Jan 10 19:58:35 by far the smoothest scrolling default control I found Jan 10 19:59:33 sugardave: if Zite gets Google Reader, I'll kick Tibfib_'s child to the curb Jan 10 19:59:48 for what that's worth Jan 10 20:00:43 it's on my wish list Jan 10 20:00:57 make it on your do list Jan 10 20:01:36 i played with the carousel stuff, but it didn't seem like there was an obvious way to get it to load more than 3 displays at a time, and i wanted 6 or 8 or something Jan 10 20:02:20 EricBlade1: yeah, it does 3...BUT some stuff I have been doing lately and some forum posts I've read make me wonder if you can change that by implementing your own DomBuffer control to hold more things Jan 10 20:02:48 I haven't really had a chance to investigate it fully, but it popped into my head last night as something to look at Jan 10 20:04:03 on the iOS zite, it looks like the "Sections" list that is on the front page is independent of the Sections list that you get from the buttons, and as such, it scrolls along with the carousel. On ours, it looks like it re-uses the same as the menu button. I was thinking it'd be kind of neat looking if instead of just disappearing when the carousel scrolled, if the sections list actually scrolled off screen the opposite way that the ca Jan 10 20:05:37 ah, the sections scroller...I had mimicked the ipad one almost perfectly, but there were problems with the section headers (ipad scrolls off from first page then sticks with the rest) so I made a toaster instead Jan 10 20:06:01 and it should be doing the fly-out :/ Jan 10 20:06:38 if it does, it doesn't start doing it until after the carousel has completed scrolling Jan 10 20:06:53 yeah, that is something I haven't been able to overcome 100% Jan 10 20:07:25 I call it to close before during snapping, but apparently the snap animation ahs to finish first Jan 10 20:10:18 hmm. i can't connect from the webOS app now Jan 10 20:22:08 which one of you jerks just outbid me for a unlocked pre 2? :P Jan 10 20:36:02 * PatrickC needs to finish the cross-launch params... Jan 10 20:57:45 does anyone else's pre2's lightbar look pinkish? Jan 10 21:13:30 PatrickC: I think that means you are following the Dark Side Jan 10 21:16:51 jcerwinske: how much are you wanting to spend for a unlocked pre 2. .. . . Jan 10 21:17:25 I just plunked down $140 for pre 2 + touchstone Jan 10 21:17:35 oh.. Jan 10 21:17:40 damn i got a great deal on mine Jan 10 21:18:10 would have liked to spend less but the ebay game drives me nuts Jan 10 21:18:45 if I bork my Franken Pre process and need annother, I'll let you know! Jan 10 21:19:09 the frankenpre process is pretty straightforward Jan 10 21:19:44 yeah doesn't seem TOO bad Jan 10 21:20:53 just make sure you're careful, and don't force things that you're not certain should be forced, and it'll go fine Jan 10 21:20:55 * PatrickC is gonna be doing that process tonight Jan 10 21:21:27 yeah I was all set to solder, then saw it wasn't necessary... I should be ok Jan 10 21:21:40 brb Jan 10 21:21:43 lol Jan 10 21:23:30 is there a preware patch for 2.2.4 to change launcer icons? similar to 5x5, etc, patches on 1.4.5? Jan 10 21:24:06 was playing with buddy's new Pre 3 yesterday, and couldn't get over big ugly cramped launcher icons Jan 10 21:24:15 guess I'll have to build that doctor sometime... Jan 10 21:24:32 jcerwinske: don't think so.. Jan 10 21:24:54 I think that from 2.x onward that was not possible :/ Jan 10 21:25:22 ran by that one booth Jan 10 21:25:31 ah, that stinks Jan 10 21:25:44 halfhalo: the android apps on anything booth? Jan 10 21:25:46 * oilsworkn hopes thats the frist thing done when the source is out heh Jan 10 21:25:47 halfhalo: android apps on webOS booth? Jan 10 21:26:12 that one Jan 10 21:26:25 and? Jan 10 21:26:29 vaporous? or... Jan 10 21:26:43 its not vaporware Jan 10 21:27:32 is it like a virtualized android client? Jan 10 21:27:44 halfhalo: when are they selling it? Jan 10 21:27:49 w/ android catalog access? Jan 10 21:27:57 or was there any good info? Jan 10 21:27:58 how much will it be? Jan 10 21:28:11 or was it a "proof of concept" booth? Jan 10 21:28:21 halfhalo: will you put $50 on black for me the next time you swing by the roulette table? Jan 10 21:28:46 * oilsworkn would wait for sugardave to paypal the money before placing bet Jan 10 21:28:58 I'm good for it Jan 10 21:29:11 haha Jan 10 21:29:49 money first Jan 10 21:30:07 awww Jan 10 21:30:36 and its still in the prototype phase. no pictures even Jan 10 21:31:02 Hey, Even Duke Nukem eventually got made... :p Jan 10 21:31:02 but i would also require video of the bet being placed and won/lost Jan 10 21:31:12 or halfhalo would just be like "op, you lost" Jan 10 21:31:33 but the demo I saw had android apps running in cards, so there is that Jan 10 21:31:58 "prototype phase" means "probably never coming out" Jan 10 21:32:16 android-in-a-card++ Jan 10 21:32:17 sounds like they just want to get bought... Jan 10 21:32:30 much better then replacing webos with it Jan 10 21:32:57 what company would buy them? Jan 10 21:33:14 android in a card sounds pretty awesome, actually Jan 10 21:33:40 I assume it's android-app-in-a-card Jan 10 21:33:47 not a whole env Jan 10 21:34:03 app in card Jan 10 21:34:06 android app on anything sounds like Amazon could use Jan 10 21:34:23 Amazon androdi appstore apps on anything.... Jan 10 21:34:28 amazon is already running android in the kindle fire, no? Jan 10 21:34:57 yeah, but jcerwinske has a good point Jan 10 21:35:09 imagine extended amazon's ecosystem to any device Jan 10 21:35:19 right, but they could diverge from being locked in to android platform without losing their android specific appstore Jan 10 21:35:20 they should just roll it into webos when it goes oss Jan 10 21:35:32 not gonna happen Jan 10 21:35:44 dont kill my dreams summatusmentis! Jan 10 21:35:49 just food for thought Jan 10 21:35:56 quit having stupid dreams then :) Jan 10 21:36:12 burn! Jan 10 21:36:57 hell, google itself wouldn't be an unreasonable buyer either... Jan 10 21:37:41 no strangers to "oh, you did something cool with our platform to catch our interest? We'll buy it" Jan 10 21:37:50 google would buy it for kicks Jan 10 21:37:55 I... I feel like if Google wanted to put android compat on other devices, they're already in the best position to do it Jan 10 21:38:21 they're always looking for talent though Jan 10 21:39:00 true Jan 10 21:39:10 except, is this "talent"? Jan 10 21:39:19 aren't they just porting the dalvik jvm? Jan 10 21:39:27 I mean, "just" Jan 10 21:39:30 but you know Jan 10 21:40:08 if it were that easy to do, wouldn't everyone have done it already? Jan 10 21:40:21 people are lazy Jan 10 21:40:29 I don't think porting dalvik is "easy" Jan 10 21:41:03 they might have developed some cool tricks to make it easier to hit so many platforms simultaneously Jan 10 21:41:08 or they could be blowing hotair Jan 10 21:41:13 I mean, I'm sure it's a lot of work, I guess I just don't see a port as demonstration of the type of talent Google might be looking for Jan 10 21:43:03 perhaps... the initiative itself says something though... like halfhalo said, people are lazy... Jan 10 21:43:33 does QNX run android apps? Jan 10 21:43:40 I believe it does Jan 10 21:43:48 or, I think they're marketing that the playbook can Jan 10 21:45:07 poor webOS... if only there was a damn netflix client. Seems #1 reason people "need" android on touchpad Jan 10 21:45:38 wonder how netflix android app would run in a card using this Jan 10 21:45:46 if they "needed" netflix, they shouldn't have bought a touchpad Jan 10 21:45:51 netflix and google music are the only reasons I'm still even remotely considering android on the touchpad Jan 10 21:47:52 oilsworkn: understand what you're saying, but a lot of people just bought it due to firesale... Jan 10 21:48:05 i know Jan 10 21:48:31 and since CM is option, there isn't a reason NOT to have bought TP Jan 10 21:48:48 and half of those only bought it to resell them on ebay lol Jan 10 21:48:53 the only thing I have cm on my touchpad for are games Jan 10 21:49:19 honestly I only use maybe Adv Browser and Spaz 99% of the time Jan 10 21:49:31 never really game on it Jan 10 21:49:49 I use Project Macaw, games, browser, Communities, etc. Jan 10 21:49:56 the new improved tablet version of words with friends now works on TouchPad, but it -sucks-, so I have no use for Android Jan 10 21:49:57 haven't checked out macaw yet... Jan 10 21:49:59 * oilsworkn uses his for watching tv during lunch Jan 10 21:50:20 mine has the chroot with a nice little WM on it. full desktop :) has the SDK and everything Jan 10 21:50:21 I stopped watching tv for the most part... Jan 10 21:50:27 lol Jan 10 21:50:35 yeah I have all that setup but... I don't really ever use it Jan 10 21:50:43 it's more gee-whiz geek factor Jan 10 21:50:47 jcerwinske: we released it into the precentral feeds Jan 10 21:50:55 much easier to obtain now :) Jan 10 21:51:23 oh, I also IM/text from my touchpad all the time Jan 10 21:51:37 yeah I need to check it and apptucker so I can get spotify on TP Jan 10 21:52:07 texting would be nice, but can't on my lil ol' pre- Jan 10 21:52:18 well, by tv, i mean, the few shows i watch, without commercials Jan 10 21:52:27 texting works w/ franken pre 2? Jan 10 21:52:32 jcerwinske: yes you can :) Jan 10 21:52:37 jcerwinske: yar, all pre2's can get 2.2.4 Jan 10 21:52:48 with all webOS devices (with my tweek) Jan 10 21:52:54 still in testing tho Jan 10 21:53:09 well, I'll be on 2.2.4 soon enough Jan 10 21:53:30 jcerwinske: I can give it to you if you're on 2.1 Jan 10 21:53:35 will be nice to leave phone on TS and do all that on just one device will on the couch. Jan 10 21:53:45 I'm still on 1.4.5... Jan 10 21:53:47 http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/MAP_Bluetooth_Legacy_Devices?wasRedirected=true Jan 10 21:53:51 should I doctor to 2.1? Jan 10 21:53:56 ah, not working yet on 1.4.5 Jan 10 21:54:02 2.1 is so much better Jan 10 21:54:13 and that page works on 2.1 :) Jan 10 21:54:33 heh Jan 10 21:54:43 * PatrickC wrote the page Jan 10 21:54:54 tested it myself (obviously) works fine :) Jan 10 21:55:03 1.4.5 is missing libs iirc Jan 10 21:55:21 PuffTheMagic said he thought he know what it was. I think ls2? Jan 10 21:56:06 yeah, 1.x doesn't have ls2 Jan 10 21:56:13 if I bump pre- to 2.1, that won't fubar my profile when I try to franken pre with 2.2.4 will it? Jan 10 21:56:27 I thought I had to come from vanilla 1.4.5 sprint profile Jan 10 21:57:58 * oilsworkn came from 145 profile Jan 10 21:58:55 jcerwinske: I came from a 2.1 profile to 2.2.4 Jan 10 21:59:00 and so did my dae Jan 10 21:59:01 dad* Jan 10 21:59:12 in fact, I also came from a 1.4.5 to 2.2.4 Jan 10 21:59:17 I did both Jan 10 21:59:23 so it really doesn't matter, eh? Jan 10 22:01:08 nope Jan 10 22:01:32 now, from 1.4.5 to 2.x you might have to erase backup data Jan 10 22:02:36 eh, I don't have anything worth backing up anyway... just USB partition. Jan 10 22:02:58 no, palms backups Jan 10 22:03:10 you have to remove your data from their servers Jan 10 22:03:11 holy weird, batman. my pre2, touchpad, ipad, and ipod just all notification dinged at the same time. with different things. Jan 10 22:03:17 i.e. calendar, contacts, everything but apps Jan 10 22:03:27 EricBlade1: lol Jan 10 22:03:42 oh I use google for contacts/cal Jan 10 22:03:49 well, some apps Jan 10 22:03:57 cookies go into the cloud Jan 10 22:04:06 (from what i remember) Jan 10 22:04:07 what self-respecting service owner doesn't re-do their shitty XML returns as JSON? I swear... Jan 10 22:04:27 sugardave: xml is the worst Jan 10 22:04:37 mmm soap.... Jan 10 22:04:43 way too complex for what I need to do here Jan 10 22:06:14 oilsworkn: I have to delete my device profile from palm servers and then create a new one with franken device? Jan 10 22:06:36 na Jan 10 22:06:45 go into backups and turn backups off.. Jan 10 22:06:58 no, you go into the backup app and turn it off and it will be all "remove data frmo the server?" Jan 10 22:07:00 some people get lucky and don't have to do that though :) Jan 10 22:07:01 like me Jan 10 22:07:10 better safe then sorry Jan 10 22:07:21 especially if you've bought apps in the catalog Jan 10 22:07:28 I'm missing what the issue is... Jan 10 22:07:29 since we know PatrickC doesn't Jan 10 22:07:35 was hoping to use pre- as a wifi only device still Jan 10 22:07:50 oilsworkn: I have close to 70 purchased apps Jan 10 22:07:57 you can Jan 10 22:08:00 with franken pre 2 as a third device on profile Jan 10 22:08:07 TP, pre-, and franken 2 Jan 10 22:08:18 no, your profile is 1 phone and multiple tps Jan 10 22:08:23 but only 1 phone Jan 10 22:08:23 Is there a patch to disable compcache on 2.2.4? I see it for 2.2.3 but not 2.2.4 Jan 10 22:08:45 oh weird... that seems... shortsighted Jan 10 22:09:55 * PatrickC has at least 4 profiles Jan 10 22:10:10 you just have different accounts? Jan 10 22:10:23 yep Jan 10 22:10:51 I have tons of phones though lol http://flic.kr/p/baLWeT Jan 10 22:10:53 oh, so you have to use impostah or something to get access to paid phone apps on other devices? Jan 10 22:11:14 meta-doctor Jan 10 22:11:43 bypass-activation and bypass-firstuse :) Jan 10 22:12:08 well, then setup wifi, and run first use to create a profile for catalog access Jan 10 22:12:26 that's what I do Jan 10 22:12:36 right, but a different profile has different set of paid apps, no? Jan 10 22:12:53 purchased apps, yes. access, no Jan 10 22:13:02 unless you do different countries for them Jan 10 22:13:38 "purchased apps, yes. access, no" errr, wut? Jan 10 22:13:55 each profile has it's own set of purchased apps Jan 10 22:14:02 check Jan 10 22:14:14 ignore the rest of PatrickC Jan 10 22:14:18 lol Jan 10 22:14:21 having multiple profiles doesn't mean that you can't access the same paid apps in the catalog, unless you set up each profile to be a different country Jan 10 22:14:41 summatusmentis: is that not what I said? Jan 10 22:14:48 it is, I was clarifying for jcerwinske Jan 10 22:15:11 ah Jan 10 22:15:13 right, I'm not talking about different region catalog access though Jan 10 22:15:28 so, the short answer is "yes" Jan 10 22:15:31 just access on multiple phones to same already paid for apps under one profile Jan 10 22:16:47 jcerwinske: you want something like... bugger, where'd that tab go Jan 10 22:16:48 hold on Jan 10 22:17:18 I guess I confused terms paid/purchased.... Jan 10 22:18:30 right, which is why PatrickC clarified Jan 10 22:19:09 ok, on same page now I think Jan 10 22:19:51 ok so now that i have a functional ATT SIM card, what's the best deal on prepaid data out there Jan 10 22:20:24 jcerwinske: http://en.webos-internals.org/wiki/StopDeviceWipe Jan 10 22:20:30 I think that's what you're looking or Jan 10 22:20:32 for* Jan 10 22:20:35 my buddy activated dataplan for his pre 3 and ATT kept telling him it wasn't a "smart phone" so he was able to get unlimited data for 10 bucsk a month Jan 10 22:21:01 it still doesn't get you everything, but it means that you can keep your apps on a phone, and activated Jan 10 22:21:11 lol Jan 10 22:21:37 * PatrickC needs to bookmark that page Jan 10 22:21:54 I had to go find it out of my history Jan 10 22:21:59 but not like its hard to copy an app from one device to another Jan 10 22:23:10 alight gents, thanks for the convo, and the tips... might try to 2.1 this pre- tonight. Later all Jan 10 22:24:06 crap.. I just realized the pre- I'm activating today I will be logging into with a profile marked 2.2.4 when itll be running 2.1.0 Jan 10 22:28:42 bbl goin to sprint to re-activate the pre!!! :D Jan 10 22:30:23 so i was reading the official hp eclipse tutorial right but it references to stuff that doesn't exist like Mojo Application, i have webOS Applicaiton but it doesnt have the options described Jan 10 22:30:54 can i have a 3.0.4 version? Jan 10 22:32:53 what's that sugardave, you want some json? {"response":{"status":"OK","body":"..." Jan 10 22:33:04 hah Jan 10 22:33:09 fail json Jan 10 22:33:17 i would kill myself Jan 10 22:33:53 Aliv3: afaik, there's not an updated eclipse tutorial Jan 10 22:34:01 but I could be wrong Jan 10 22:34:15 a normal tutorial? Jan 10 22:34:58 I mean, enyo has a tutorial Jan 10 22:35:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EYX5fFxcXWU Jan 10 22:35:30 LOL Jan 10 22:35:43 * Aliv3 is confused about mojo/enyo Jan 10 22:36:33 mojo is the old phone javascript framework, enyo is the new tablet and phone javascript framework Jan 10 22:37:07 ok Jan 10 22:37:17 lol dawm you cant even tell hes holding it until he runs out Jan 10 22:37:27 so thin :P Jan 10 22:37:41 oilsworkn: ohk so where do i get started with tha Jan 10 22:38:06 dwc-: wrap that json in xml Jan 10 22:38:08 i have no clue Jan 10 22:40:37 you never do Jan 10 22:41:02 sometimes Jan 10 22:41:45 EricBlade1: no shit, IBM had some wacky JSON wrapped in SOAP mechanism that when I saw it made me want to punch babies Jan 10 22:42:17 not familiar with SOAP, but I know the Google Voice stuff comes back as JSON wrapped in XML Jan 10 22:42:28 basically the same thing Jan 10 22:42:46 and i think i had to do something to mangle it to even get it to be valid JSON too Jan 10 22:42:49 it... does? Jan 10 22:42:53 why would they do that? Jan 10 22:43:01 because they are Google Jan 10 22:43:23 I don't think that maps well with "don't do evil" Jan 10 22:43:49 do you really think that Darth Vader thought he was evil, at the time, though? Jan 10 22:44:32 anyone have a cache of spare 6-foot USB cables I can make use of? Jan 10 22:44:45 monoprice does Jan 10 22:45:22 and, vader totally knew he was on the dark side Jan 10 22:48:10 why is it called SOAP when it makes me feel dirty? Jan 10 22:49:32 6' USB cables are rare Jan 10 22:50:58 start making the cables longer (e.g. via usb hubs) and you can get into usb timeouts Jan 10 22:52:07 http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10303 Jan 10 22:53:17 the longest cable usable via usb is 15' Jan 10 22:53:36 Without a repeater Jan 10 22:53:41 anything further (granted you have a good cable) you need a powered hub Jan 10 22:53:45 If you toss in a powered hub, you're ok Jan 10 22:53:48 Yeah :x Jan 10 22:54:05 I was thinking more for the latency, rather than signal degradation Jan 10 22:54:12 True. Jan 10 22:54:24 Though powered hubs apparently can prevent timeouts Jan 10 22:54:33 I've yet to try it, of course Jan 10 22:59:12 EricBlade1: you here? Jan 10 23:07:49 my eclipse says nothing about enyo or mojo it just calls it webos :( Jan 10 23:11:09 yeah, its all the same Jan 10 23:11:49 they're packaged, installed, and run on device the same, that part of the sdk works for both Jan 10 23:12:50 * halfhalo yawns Jan 10 23:20:23 i cant find stage-assistant.js Jan 10 23:21:03 that is mojo-specific Jan 10 23:21:23 enyo doesn't use a stage-assistant Jan 10 23:24:21 hm Jan 10 23:24:56 can i have an update enyo tutorial link please, and also it wont run things in the emulator only my physical device Jan 10 23:25:04 having not done this tutorial, it was the frirst result for "intro to enyo" Jan 10 23:25:09 http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/introduction-to-webos-3-0-enyo/ Jan 10 23:25:35 unplug your device if you want to install to the emulator Jan 10 23:25:57 there is an option to force the emulator, but unplugging the device, it will always go to the running emulator Jan 10 23:28:08 i start the emulator right? Jan 10 23:28:25 ignore that Jan 10 23:28:40 is there a palm developer one? Jan 10 23:28:59 hm? Jan 10 23:29:11 developer.palm.com Jan 10 23:29:26 what about it? Jan 10 23:31:51 is there one there? Jan 10 23:32:15 it is all branded hp, they bought palm Jan 10 23:32:31 what wrong with that? Jan 10 23:32:54 nothing Jan 10 23:41:37 * oilsworkn is out Jan 10 23:52:50 Any way to make a touchpad reboot when luna is mostly unresponsive? somethings still work just not opening applications or holding the power button Jan 10 23:53:13 hold home and power for 15-30s Jan 10 23:56:08 my wifis are being eated by everything Jan 10 23:57:08 dwc-: ahh wasnt holding long enough >:) Jan 10 23:57:15 So.. where's the source? :( Jan 10 23:57:45 i was kind of hoping to see efforts to run android crap running as cards instead of this horrible dualboot lunacy Jan 10 23:58:34 lulz Jan 10 23:59:39 Anyone know if I need to keep GVoice always running to receive notifications? Jan 11 00:00:13 or can it run as a service or something Jan 11 00:12:07 sugardave: with skype enabled on my pre2, i've got a constant battery drain of 450mA .. with my battery approaching 46deg. :O Jan 11 00:13:20 oh, now it's over 480 Jan 11 00:14:31 480 degrees? great scott! Jan 11 00:18:01 EricBlade1: Anyone know if I need to keep GVoice always running to receive notifications? Jan 11 00:18:14 or can it run as a service or something Jan 11 00:21:44 there are about a million people at this keynote Jan 11 00:23:48 Satellite: the catalog version needs to be running Jan 11 00:24:08 is there a non-catalog version that runs as a service? Jan 11 00:24:12 my dev version will continue checking after close, but it's got a lot of issues that should be fixed Jan 11 00:24:17 ahh Jan 11 00:24:55 FWIW I bought both GVoice and Voogle, ended up sticking with GVoice because it's less buggier Jan 11 00:25:01 *less buggy Jan 11 00:26:06 Seemed a tag sluggish though but that might be because my phone is running at 8 loads consistently for some reason Jan 11 00:26:09 *tad Jan 11 00:26:18 Pre3? Jan 11 00:27:53 my Pre2 is running at a 21 loadavg right now Jan 11 00:28:15 which would explain the now -530mA current Jan 11 00:28:23 Pre 3 yep Jan 11 00:29:31 For some reason I enjoyed the webOS experience way more on tablets than on the phone Jan 11 00:30:04 Can't wait to eventually see webOS on one of those big-ass HTC touchscreen phones Jan 11 00:54:39 my internet speed is terrible with skype open too :| Jan 11 00:55:04 oh, no, i dropped wifi .. weird Jan 11 01:07:43 my poor pre2 decided it had enough of the 25+ load and rebooted Jan 11 01:10:04 LoneStar! WE MEET AGAIN Jan 11 01:18:49 * dwc- looks at EricBlade1's hat Jan 11 01:23:05 hmm. all the radios in my phone have stopped functioning except the cell radio. wth Jan 11 02:37:47 ugh.. a pre wasnt on my choice list for phones at sprint :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 11 02:59:57 2012