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Jan 11 03:07:28 <PatrickC> hey Jack87 hows it goni?
Jan 11 03:07:30 <PatrickC> goin*
Jan 11 03:09:54 <Jack87> PatrickC, hola! going good
Jan 11 03:10:01 <Jack87> school == busy
Jan 11 03:10:07 * PatrickC was told he couldnt get a pre today
Jan 11 03:10:09 <PatrickC> same here lol
Jan 11 03:12:21 <PatrickC> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/webosradio#utm_campaign=synclickback&source=http://news.mobileroundup.com/live/&medium=5210295
Jan 11 03:50:11 <Tibfib_> http://imgur.com/gallery/TbuUe
Jan 11 03:54:53 <fxspec06>  lmao
Jan 11 03:55:41 <Tibfib_> http://imgur.com/gallery/tYYY2
Jan 11 03:57:54 <trenchant1> haha
Jan 11 03:57:57 <trenchant1> move the deer crossing
Jan 11 03:59:46 <Tibfib_> http://imgur.com/gallery/vKpEa
Jan 11 04:02:10 <PatrickC> anyone on the WOR podcast?
Jan 11 04:02:21 <RagingMind> where is the saved package list stored?
Jan 11 04:02:25 <RagingMind> oops
Jan 11 04:02:45 <Tibfib_> http://imgur.com/gallery/yeRTI
Jan 11 04:11:25 <PatrickC> hey EricBlade
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 11 05:01:37 2012
Jan 11 05:13:49 <halfhalo> bleh
Jan 11 05:14:01 <halfhalo> so, who wants an intel phone
Jan 11 05:14:02 * halfhalo does
Jan 11 05:14:48 <hewball> halfhalo: my old old imate pda2 with an intel cpu rocked
Jan 11 05:15:17 <hewball> was so fast compared to the samsung chips htc released after it
Jan 11 05:16:24 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 11 05:40:49 <towitza> just bought first webOS app for the touchpad today. Is there no way to get a refund?
Jan 11 05:48:49 <halfhalo> nope
Jan 11 05:50:43 <towitza> well that's not good
Jan 11 05:51:14 <towitza> communities is trash
Jan 11 05:54:13 <guest678> got cut. The tp restartedvwhile using commujities
Jan 11 05:59:15 <guest456> ty
Jan 11 05:59:48 <guest456> the tp is overclocked yet it is still so slow
Jan 11 06:00:47 <PatrickC> guest456: what's wrong with communities?
Jan 11 06:00:49 <PatrickC> hey Adora !
Jan 11 06:00:53 <PatrickC> how was dinner? lol
Jan 11 06:01:04 <PatrickC> invalidopcode: ping?
Jan 11 06:01:11 <guest456> slow
Jan 11 06:01:14 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: pong
Jan 11 06:01:20 <guest456> takes long to load
Jan 11 06:01:23 <PatrickC> ever contact HP about the touchpad?
Jan 11 06:01:33 <PatrickC> guest456: are you sure it isn't your connection?
Jan 11 06:01:38 <invalidopcode> yup, i got the box today to send it back
Jan 11 06:01:51 <guest456> I have 30mbits
Jan 11 06:01:54 <PatrickC> I would contact the dev. he's a really nice guy and I'm sure would help resolve the issue
Jan 11 06:02:09 <guest456> its webos
Jan 11 06:02:18 <invalidopcode> guest456: what's communities?
Jan 11 06:02:25 <PatrickC> invalidopcode: nice. I was gonna say if you hadn't one of the most awesome people at HP just joined the channel :)
Jan 11 06:02:43 <PatrickC> its a forums app
Jan 11 06:02:43 <PatrickC> guest456: what do you mean?
Jan 11 06:02:51 <guest456> terrible tapatalk app
Jan 11 06:03:01 <PatrickC> its amazing
Jan 11 06:03:12 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: ah haha ok, yeah its probably just easier for me to send it to them to fix it then for me to try messing with it anymore
Jan 11 06:03:16 <PatrickC> invalidopcode: save me! I'm getting another blackberry :S
Jan 11 06:03:28 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: what kind? :P
Jan 11 06:03:33 <PatrickC> 9850
Jan 11 06:03:37 <PatrickC> the newest torch
Jan 11 06:03:56 <invalidopcode> ah, thats not bad, i have a 8330 laying around here somewhere
Jan 11 06:04:01 <PatrickC> its funny. that was on the "Free upgrade list becuase my phone has been in for service 9 times in 6 months" but a pre wasn't haha
Jan 11 06:04:12 <PatrickC> because*
Jan 11 06:04:22 <invalidopcode> the 9850 or the 8330?
Jan 11 06:04:35 <PatrickC> the 9850
Jan 11 06:04:39 <invalidopcode> ah
Jan 11 06:05:11 <PatrickC> which was super weird as its the newest blackberry device on sprint
Jan 11 06:05:20 <PatrickC> I think. I know its one of them :)
Jan 11 06:05:28 <invalidopcode> blackberry aren't that bad, at least they're pretty stable
Jan 11 06:05:48 <invalidopcode> they're just no fun if you like hacking or tweaking them
Jan 11 06:06:03 <PatrickC> exactly
Jan 11 06:06:09 <PatrickC> no freeTether!!! :'(
Jan 11 06:06:25 <invalidopcode> hahaha
Jan 11 06:07:14 <PatrickC> $35 a month for tethering?! I don't think so
Jan 11 06:07:17 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 11 06:07:25 <PatrickC> wait, it might be $29.99 now
Jan 11 06:07:31 <PatrickC> but still! lol
Jan 11 06:07:37 <PatrickC> </rant>
Jan 11 06:07:37 <hewball> wait seriously?/
Jan 11 06:07:43 <PatrickC> yeah
Jan 11 06:08:02 <hewball> wows, you guys get ripped off
Jan 11 06:08:28 <invalidopcode> hey speaking of money, did you participate in the google code-in this year PatrickC?
Jan 11 06:08:32 <PatrickC> I'm not paying it lol
Jan 11 06:08:44 <PatrickC> I'll find a way to get around it :)
Jan 11 06:08:51 <hewball> thats like standard on 2 of the 3 carriers here to have it free
Jan 11 06:09:02 <PatrickC> invalidopcode: huh? "google code-in"? lol
Jan 11 06:09:13 <PatrickC> hewball: or free on webOS thanks to PuffTheMagic :)
Jan 11 06:09:14 <hewball> 3rd one charges like 2 bucks i think it was, and they may have gone back to free
Jan 11 06:09:26 <PatrickC> hewball: what country are you in?
Jan 11 06:09:32 <hewball> Australia
Jan 11 06:09:43 <PatrickC> ah, US here
Jan 11 06:09:54 <PatrickC> "Land of the greedy"
Jan 11 06:09:57 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 11 06:10:09 <hewball> yeah your whole cell phone market is totally twisted compared to ours
Jan 11 06:10:17 <PatrickC> yeah
Jan 11 06:11:36 <hewball> telstra ditched cmda for 850mhz like ages ago,
Jan 11 06:11:50 <PatrickC> I don't particularly like CDMA
Jan 11 06:12:06 <PatrickC> I have 4 phones in my house that are UMTS/GSM
Jan 11 06:12:07 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: yeah, its this program where you can claim "tasks" to help different open source projects and for every 3 tasks you do, Google pays you $100
Jan 11 06:12:11 <halfhalo> neither do i, till i realize vzw is EVERYWHERE
Jan 11 06:12:24 <PatrickC> invalidopcode: link! :)
Jan 11 06:12:51 <PatrickC> halfhalo: I solve that problem by using wifi and my airive at home lol
Jan 11 06:12:53 <invalidopcode> Verizon has the best coverage normal....
Jan 11 06:12:59 <invalidopcode> *normally
Jan 11 06:13:06 <hewball> we have the problem that 2 carriers used 900mhz and the other used 850mhz but now there is 2 on both they started to overlap
Jan 11 06:13:15 <PatrickC> sprint has "decent" coverage in my experience
Jan 11 06:13:21 <halfhalo> vzw is the only carrier still up during ces
Jan 11 06:13:34 <PatrickC> what do you mean by "still up"?
Jan 11 06:13:36 <halfhalo> att is... iffy at best
Jan 11 06:13:39 <PatrickC> the others are down?
Jan 11 06:13:43 <halfhalo> sending texts worked, getting? not so much
Jan 11 06:13:44 <halfhalo> and sprint just craps itself under load
Jan 11 06:13:55 <invalidopcode> i've been on hiking trips in the middle of nowhere and verizon was the only one that worked
Jan 11 06:14:01 <PatrickC> sprint wasn't prepared to take on all those iphones
Jan 11 06:14:22 <PatrickC> verizon is also expensive compared to sprint
Jan 11 06:14:22 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2011
Jan 11 06:14:39 <halfhalo> BECAUSE IT WORKS
Jan 11 06:14:40 <hewball> PatrickC: see thats the thing here, we were the first country to get unlocked iphones and every carrier got iphones
Jan 11 06:16:15 <hewball> a single phone carrier here getting the iphone would have ended up in court as anti competive in 2 seconds flat
Jan 11 06:16:58 <PatrickC> invalidopcode: I'll have to show that to my parents :)
Jan 11 06:17:00 <invalidopcode> hewball: you can get them in the US now, but you have to grease apple's palms
Jan 11 06:17:10 <PatrickC> yeah
Jan 11 06:17:25 <hewball> invalidopcode: yes but we got them that way with the 3g
Jan 11 06:17:32 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: there's only like 5 days left, so its kindof late for this year, but im just working on my 6th task
Jan 11 06:17:33 <PatrickC> for sprint if you break it and bring it in for routine repair and they have to order another one, its $49. every other phone its free
Jan 11 06:17:39 <PatrickC> nice
Jan 11 06:17:44 <PatrickC> so almost $200?
Jan 11 06:18:39 <invalidopcode> yup! to recoup the cost of my touchpad
Jan 11 06:18:50 <PatrickC> nice!
Jan 11 06:19:10 <PatrickC> man. that is really nice! when does it start/how long does it normally last? (on the touchpad right now)
Jan 11 06:19:14 <hewball> invalidopcode: even if you buy a phone from the carrier you still pay the same for the phone, its just a hidden cost in your contract
Jan 11 06:20:05 <invalidopcode> hewball: yeah i know
Jan 11 06:20:24 <hewball> thats a little more transparent over here though
Jan 11 06:21:10 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: its usually from like november to january
Jan 11 06:21:42 <PatrickC> ah
Jan 11 06:21:46 <PatrickC> so its a good amount of time
Jan 11 06:22:04 <invalidopcode> yeah
Jan 11 06:33:17 <dwc-> hewball: did all the carriers support all the features at launch? MMS, visual voicemail, etc?
Jan 11 06:33:34 <dwc-> btw, in exchange for having the f'd up wireless, we let you have the f'd up wired broadband
Jan 11 06:33:48 <hewball> mms yes Visual voicemail no, only 1 did after a fair few months, now its 2 and the 2nd charges for it
Jan 11 06:36:19 <hewball> dwc-: worst part about Australias internet , is 60ms at best to the states to get content :(
Jan 11 06:36:47 <PatrickC> http://flic.kr/p/aUw9wz
Jan 11 06:44:49 <halfhalo> I... what? since when did steam talk to facebook and suggest friends...
Jan 11 06:45:15 * PatrickC is off to bed
Jan 11 06:45:16 <PatrickC> night all
Jan 11 06:45:18 <invalidopcode> halfhalo: for like 6 months now..
Jan 11 06:45:21 <PatrickC> thanks for the link invalidopcode
Jan 11 06:45:27 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: night, no problemo
Jan 11 07:12:26 <dwc-> halfhalo: at least since christmas... they just want your fb info, like everyone else
Jan 11 07:12:41 <halfhalo> hakers
Jan 11 07:20:45 <Veku> need help with preware. Please help!
Jan 11 14:45:17 <panel> can somebody help with scoller widget?
Jan 11 14:52:13 <fxspec06> okay stealing funkatron's tweet but
Jan 11 14:52:15 <fxspec06> http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/10/2698168/msi-GUS-II-external-thunderbolt-gpu-enclosure#88321885
Jan 11 14:52:31 <fxspec06> that is really really freaking awesome, and changes my outlook on what my next computer could be
Jan 11 14:54:01 <fxspec06> panel - what's up
Jan 11 15:05:51 <amd_> hey..
Jan 11 15:09:04 <amd___> hey
Jan 11 15:09:50 <fxspec06> hey
Jan 11 15:10:28 <amd___> hattczech u there..
Jan 11 15:10:29 <amd___> hi
Jan 11 15:11:04 <fxspec06> what's up
Jan 11 15:11:09 <amd___> fxspec:.. i have called my main.js from index.html
Jan 11 15:11:20 <amd___> nthng have prob.
Jan 11 15:11:37 <amd___> in main.js have included all the function that are also there in my other js file havin js code
Jan 11 15:11:38 <fxspec06> what's the problem
Jan 11 15:12:03 <amd___> hattczech told me to do this way..
Jan 11 15:12:35 <panel> fxspec06 hey
Jan 11 15:12:54 <panel> fxspec06 I have found, that I have to set scroller height
Jan 11 15:12:56 <fxspec06> you shouldn't need to include the same code twice
Jan 11 15:13:06 <panel> fxspec06 but 100%
Jan 11 15:13:09 <panel> not working
Jan 11 15:13:36 <panel> and this.controller.window.innerHeight returns to me 400px
Jan 11 15:13:40 <panel> on tp
Jan 11 15:13:43 <fxspec06> as long as you include in html as <script> tag or in your depends.js file, you should be able to call any of the functions from any enyo function
Jan 11 15:14:01 <fxspec06> panel -- this mojo i presume
Jan 11 15:14:07 <panel> yes
Jan 11 15:14:57 <fxspec06> i believe you do have to specify scroller height. it doesn't automatically fill
Jan 11 15:14:59 <amd___> fxspec: ya i did it the same way..but i guess there's some prob..
Jan 11 15:15:28 <amd___> i just have to include a file in js
Jan 11 15:15:43 <amd___> the file is...
Jan 11 15:15:46 <amd___> http://pastie.org/3160708
Jan 11 15:16:08 <amd___> and its functions are..http://pastie.org/3160650
Jan 11 15:17:17 <amd___> in mu mainj.js i have included all the function of this file.
Jan 11 15:17:24 <amd___> my main.js*
Jan 11 15:17:42 <fxspec06> you're working in Mojo too ?
Jan 11 15:17:47 <amd___> but i am not getting the menu bar which am supposed to get
Jan 11 15:17:57 <amd___> no
Jan 11 15:17:59 <amd___> actually
Jan 11 15:18:03 <fxspec06> o o ok
Jan 11 15:18:14 <amd___> i have done it for mojo
Jan 11 15:18:20 <amd___> now doin the same for enyo
Jan 11 15:18:40 <panel> fxspec06 and is there any working way to get TP screen height in mojo ?
Jan 11 15:19:30 <fxspec06> i've always used window.innerHeight, but that depends on screen orientation
Jan 11 15:19:38 <fxspec06> what is your enyo code amd
Jan 11 15:19:58 <amd___> actually this is the file which should be called at first..
Jan 11 15:20:23 <amd___> the code that i pasted is in js
Jan 11 15:20:46 <amd___> will remove the mojo part which i have actually used for only database
Jan 11 15:21:24 <amd___> i think the mojo part i have made it as comments
Jan 11 15:21:49 <amd___> am just using this file for my inital layout
Jan 11 15:22:24 <fxspec06> you're missing a backslash for comment on line 14
Jan 11 15:22:55 <amd___> oh i see!
Jan 11 15:23:25 * fxspec06 feels like superman
Jan 11 15:24:34 <amd___> but in original i have done it correctly..
Jan 11 15:25:03 <amd___> fxspec: generally am i doin correctly by just rewriting these functions only in my main.js?
Jan 11 15:26:27 <fxspec06> it should work .. if you can make it work in chrome without enyo then it will work with enyo
Jan 11 15:27:43 <amd___> i guess so..but its not working up here..
Jan 11 15:29:44 <fxspec06> where is socialcalc defined
Jan 11 15:30:00 <fxspec06> i assume there is another file
Jan 11 15:30:49 <amd___> its the same file first this initialization http://pastie.org/3160708
Jan 11 15:31:06 <amd___> then those function in continuation of this..
Jan 11 15:32:51 <fxspec06> and it works in mojo but not enyo
Jan 11 15:33:14 <panel> fxspec06 thanks
Jan 11 15:33:23 <amd___> in mojo this file has a bit different layout
Jan 11 15:33:43 <amd___> as it is in the setup function of my assistant file
Jan 11 15:33:59 <amd___> which is called at first
Jan 11 15:34:16 <amd___> the code is exactly same though
Jan 11 15:34:38 <fxspec06> i think it has something to do with prototype objects
Jan 11 15:35:03 <amd___> but there's a view file in mojo which i have included in index .html in enyo
Jan 11 15:36:17 <amd___> all i think is it should work here too coz both shares js as their main code!
Jan 11 15:38:05 <fxspec06> mojo uses prototype... it does something special to objects automatically that i'm not 100% knowledgable with.
Jan 11 15:38:29 <fxspec06> my theory is that you need to define SocialCalc and its properties before accessing them
Jan 11 15:39:40 <RagingMind> fxspec06, they make similar encloses that attach to an expresscard slot
Jan 11 15:39:46 <amd___> but as long as the file in depends.js,in  which i have done initialization ...
Jan 11 15:39:58 <fxspec06> i really think there's another file that defines SocialCalc
Jan 11 15:40:45 <fxspec06> like a SocialCalc.js
Jan 11 15:41:10 <fxspec06> var spreadsheet = new SocialCalc.SpreadsheetControl(); // SocialCalc.SpreadsheetControl() is not defined
Jan 11 15:42:06 <fxspec06> RagingMind: yes, but those don't offer dual GPU support, and limit bandwith
Jan 11 15:42:09 <fxspec06> bandwidth*
Jan 11 15:42:15 <amd___> socialcalcspreadsheetcontroll ..this is the file which i have included in depends.js
Jan 11 15:42:15 <fxspec06> IIRC
Jan 11 15:42:32 <fxspec06> can you paste that file
Jan 11 15:42:39 <fxspec06> or send me a URL to its source
Jan 11 15:42:49 <amd___> sure..
Jan 11 15:45:33 <amd___> tit's a bit long code..
Jan 11 15:45:42 <amd___> so it's taking alittle time..
Jan 11 15:46:09 <fxspec06> i just want to replicate what you're seeing
Jan 11 15:46:29 <amd___> but apart from this file i also have other files that all r in js...and have included all in depends.js
Jan 11 15:48:51 <amd___> http://pastie.org/3166719
Jan 11 15:49:22 <amd___> it's part of it..not full...
Jan 11 15:51:29 <amd___> but all this is in js ...i have a seperate file for it..has to do anything with my former one?
Jan 11 15:52:02 <fxspec06> i mean i can't try to replicate w/ part of it. esp coz i not too sure where the problem lies. if you wouldn't mind, could you zip the package and email, i'll take a look at it"?
Jan 11 15:52:58 <fxspec06> i mean i know it's your code and all. i'm just not seeing/understnading the problem -.-
Jan 11 15:54:43 <amd___> fxspec: i just have to include my former file ...that's all...but it surely doesn't have anything to do with other files for sure..
Jan 11 15:55:52 <amd___> coz everything other is in js..in other files which i have already included in depends .js
Jan 11 15:56:02 <fxspec06> i mean the <script src="file.js" type="text/javascript"></script> should work fine..
Jan 11 15:56:45 <amd___> ya i guess it should.
Jan 11 15:57:18 <amd___> now i assume that u know where i am having prob.?
Jan 11 15:57:43 <fxspec06> hmm ya
Jan 11 15:57:55 <fxspec06> you can't initialize your socialcalc?
Jan 11 15:58:25 <amd___> have done..
Jan 11 15:58:32 <fxspec06> why not copy / paste the js in the first pastie into the enyo create function
Jan 11 15:59:00 <amd___> enyo create?
Jan 11 15:59:11 <amd___> am not using components..
Jan 11 16:00:30 <fxspec06> you should still be able to reference everything with <script> tags.
Jan 11 16:01:05 <amd___> hmm ok..
Jan 11 16:02:36 <amd___> i think ill better give it an another look...nyways thnx:)
Jan 11 22:13:35 <LarrySteeze> n #webos-internals
Jan 11 22:50:22 <fxspec06> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Jan 11 23:03:20 <dwc-> eeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Jan 11 23:21:41 <Tibfib_> cccccllllliiiiipppppssss
Jan 11 23:24:18 <sugardave> 1 23
Jan 11 23:24:25 <sugardave> oops
Jan 11 23:25:43 <EricBlade-mobile> WOw the iPad Skype kicks ass.  Wish we had that
Jan 11 23:45:56 <fxspec06> touchpad irritates me sometimes. it'll just stop sending ipk's to the device if you've been doing it for a while.
Jan 11 23:46:09 <fxspec06> til you reboot it
Jan 12 00:02:39 <wrea> hmm
Jan 12 00:07:59 <Brybry> fxspec06, with palm-install or what?
Jan 12 00:08:02 <Brybry> I've never run into that
Jan 12 00:09:45 <fxspec06> eclipse. so palm-run basically
Jan 12 00:10:24 <fxspec06> idk. it really just doesn't like me sometimes. i think i abuse it
Jan 12 00:11:26 <sugardave> it's totally eclipse
Jan 12 00:12:27 <fxspec06> meh. it's life. just blame oil and move on
Jan 12 01:37:23 <LarrySteeze> anyone here homebrew?
Jan 12 01:50:36 <haeffb> like, beer?
Jan 12 01:51:58 <scoutcamper> hehe
Jan 12 02:03:21 <fxspec06> did enyo include an easier way to open a browser w/ url
Jan 12 02:03:32 <fxspec06> than mojo did? or do i still have to make a service request
Jan 12 02:06:41 <sugardave> window.open(url) should launch a new card
Jan 12 02:06:51 <sugardave> but it won't necessarily e stacked
Jan 12 02:08:44 <sugardave> cool, check out the bottom of http://zite.com
Jan 12 02:09:49 <fxspec06> hmm cool i'll try that in a sec
Jan 12 02:12:56 <fxspec06> 'made for HP webOS'
Jan 12 02:40:09 <fxspec06> o btw -- that worked great sugardave
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