**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 12 02:59:57 2012 Jan 12 04:02:09 Hi Jan 12 04:19:17 crappy interent is crappy Jan 12 04:41:44 Crappy iPad keeps disconnecting Jan 12 04:42:57 blame the ipad. everyone blames the ipad. Jan 12 04:43:03 i'm so tired. nite Jan 12 04:43:23 ipad === oil? :/ Jan 12 04:43:41 :/ Jan 12 04:44:08 ... Jan 12 04:44:08 I'm blaming att Jan 12 04:44:12 since I used up all mifi datas for the month Jan 12 04:44:13 in about.... 5 days Jan 12 04:44:17 yay me! Jan 12 04:44:18 weak Jan 12 04:44:44 It is pretty damn fast Jan 12 04:45:04 fast enough where dling shows is doable in like 2 minutes Jan 12 04:46:25 wanted to use it to dl an archer episode, but no data to give for it Jan 12 04:46:33 att is working decently for irc tho Jan 12 04:58:08 Fx of course I blame the iPad. iOS multitasking is crap Jan 12 05:03:39 lol Jan 12 05:03:41 hater Jan 12 05:05:56 nothing on crap hotel tv... makes me sad Jan 12 05:06:35 With good reason, halo. Aside from the super fluid animation in ios everything else pretty much sucks Jan 12 05:06:40 When compared to webos Jan 12 05:07:20 The tap zones on iPad are entirely too small for the screen Jan 12 05:07:33 halfhalo: you're still in vegas? they don't want people watching tv at the hotel, they want your money Jan 12 05:07:56 they have all my money, but at the bars Jan 12 05:08:01 and not the bars at this hotel either Jan 12 05:08:47 and parking fees Jan 12 05:08:49 and regular food Jan 12 05:09:08 I'm sorry, but 20 bucks for a mcdonalds meal is a tad exessive Jan 12 05:09:10 bastids Jan 12 05:09:30 You gotta win some money to pay for all that Jan 12 05:09:37 that's like Vancouver prices!! Jan 12 05:09:39 No? Jan 12 05:09:50 I limit myself to penny slots and mostly open bar events Jan 12 05:10:04 Penny slots are really bad Jan 12 05:10:15 Learn to play paigow Jan 12 05:10:30 I had 30 dollars in 1's and 5's that i played with. no more Jan 12 05:10:33 It's basically a break even game Jan 12 05:10:47 You can play it for hours break even and drink for free Jan 12 05:12:23 I like to play $1 blackjack Jan 12 05:12:32 can go a long time on $50 Jan 12 05:13:37 vegas is the worst, I don't get what people like about the place at all Jan 12 05:14:04 no idea. they just like my money. Jan 12 05:14:12 and ces likes to eat my sms's Jan 12 05:14:52 srsly. like a 5 hour sms delay yesterday Jan 12 05:18:22 lame Jan 12 05:18:48 lte worked great! everything else was crap Jan 12 05:18:58 and a nextel portable antenna was hit and taken out by a golf cart Jan 12 05:19:22 haha Jan 12 05:23:07 Damn I really want a cigarette Jan 12 05:23:15 But I quit a year ago Jan 12 05:23:17 i want a coke Jan 12 05:23:26 but only pepsi here Jan 12 05:24:00 Hmm I think last time I was in Vegas the hotels all had coke Jan 12 05:24:11 I had to walk like a half a mile to find a dew Jan 12 05:24:29 And I was so hungover I thought I was going to die Jan 12 05:38:59 cheeseburger, cheeseburger, cheeseburger Jan 12 05:39:18 HAMBURGALUR Jan 12 06:03:31 how in the world are the clippers winning... Jan 12 06:07:13 hey guys Jan 12 06:07:25 hey Jan 12 06:07:45 did you get my last email ka6sox-farfarawa? Jan 12 06:08:00 2days ago? yes Jan 12 06:08:17 the one about the camera Jan 12 06:08:27 * halfhalo must be going crazy Jan 12 06:08:47 camera? Jan 12 06:09:11 removing the camera from one device for use on a different one Jan 12 06:09:19 the auto-focus broke on my "working" pre3 Jan 12 06:09:28 the camera on the pre3 with the fried chip works fine Jan 12 06:10:41 didn't know if it was possible to swap them Jan 12 06:10:49 I dunno, not ever looked Jan 12 06:11:11 ok Jan 12 06:12:05 I can't even look at something like that until february...SCaLE has me wrapped around the Axle. Jan 12 06:14:29 ok Jan 12 06:16:54 HOW ARE THE CLIPPERS WITHING A POINT OF THE HEAT!!?!?!?! Jan 12 06:18:53 Sunspots. Jan 12 06:20:00 they are now winning... 86 to 84 with 27.3 seconds left Jan 12 09:07:11 What is the outlook of putting webos on other devices? Jan 12 09:22:34 Like how would one go about even compiling the OS from source now that it's all available Jan 12 09:24:24 I don't believe it is available and all we have is an announcement of an intent to open source it Jan 12 09:24:40 but I don't really keep up with webos news so take what I say with a huge grain of salt Jan 12 09:30:02 macuser: All available? Anything I have missed? As Brybry said, it *will* be available, but so far not in sight AFAIK. They probably need to rewrite parts that they have licensed from other parties. Jan 12 09:53:25 gokr1: Sad days :(. I wonder when it is scheduled to be in. Jan 12 09:56:01 Until there’s some real webOS/Enyo code available as OpenSource it might surely take 3-6 months, as some components need to be rewritten which cannot be licensed as OpenSource, all processes, the infrastructure around the project needs to be established etc. Jan 12 09:56:16 *quote from developer.palm.com* Jan 12 11:21:24 hello gentleman Jan 12 12:33:23 ok another opensource sdk mobile released, tizen :) Jan 12 15:39:46 I just replaced my Sprint Pre due to the phone speaker failing. Reloaded most stuff fine, but my calender is all screwed up. I did use WebOS Quick Install to copy my .db3 file from my old Pre and transplanted it on to the new Pre. I followed the steps on webOSroundup by sketch42 at http://forum.webosroundup.com/index.php?threads/official-webos-faq-check-here-first.295/ This is the only time I have done any changes to my Pre other Jan 12 15:41:22 The exact problem is that recurring events in the calendar are at the wrong time and dates. I tried deleting the recurring event and re-entering it and the dates and times are still wrong. For example, I put in a weekday event, M-F 7am-3pm and it shows up S-Th 1pm-9pm. Jan 12 15:43:42 Also, all previous events display one day earlier but 6 hours later than they were originally inputed. The detail screen for the event shows the correct date and time. Jan 12 15:45:00 is the time on your phone correct? time zone and everything? i am clueless TBH Jan 12 15:45:18 mayb see if you can remove the DB and reenter it Jan 12 15:45:37 mayb it has something to do w/ gmail cal Jan 12 15:50:57 The display time and date are correct. Jan 12 15:53:42 For simplicity, I will call the two data bases Old & New, with Old being the .db3 file I saved from my broken Pre and New being the .db3 file I saved from the replacement Pre before I transplanted the Old file on to the replacement Pre: Should I replace the Old file with the New file? Or should I just re-transplant the Old file again? Jan 12 16:28:12 i would erase all calendar events, remove all calendar profiles (i.e. google etc), replace w/ old db and reboot Jan 12 16:30:48 I'll give that a try. Thank you. Anyone else have any experience with this issue? Jan 12 16:52:20 OpsJAG, what's in the database that you needed? Jan 12 17:02:06 RagingMind - mostly my text messages Jan 12 17:02:41 I also believed that some of my app data would be in the .db3 file as well. Turns out it was not. Jan 12 17:03:45 What I was trying to accomplish was to make the new Pre as close to my old Pre as possible. Kind of like the old "Restore" function of the old Palm systems. Jan 12 17:03:47 ah. great thing about 2.x is that texts get backed up in the HP cloud :) Jan 12 17:04:37 Unfortunately, I am a very loyal Sprint customer and I can't get a webOS device with 2.x through Sprint. Officially, anyway. Jan 12 17:04:55 the save/restore app from wosi can save the messages (next time you need to switch phones) it just can't restore them Jan 12 17:05:23 Good to know. Jan 12 17:11:45 hmm Jan 12 17:13:32 * fxspec06 dislike ppl on ebay who bid at last second Jan 12 17:13:35 OpsJAG, at one point there was a service that you could send your sprint pre and a Pre2 into and they'd franken it for ya. Jan 12 17:13:56 actually, 2 ppl did that Jan 12 17:18:38 cool, worked out better anyways Jan 12 17:42:31 OpsJAG: sounds like your timezone is wrong Jan 12 18:00:29 dwc- how do I check/change the timezone? The display date and time are correct on the phone. Jan 12 18:04:03 system / date & time / turn off network time zone it will show you Jan 12 18:14:25 Where is the "system" option on a Pre? I don't see it in any menus nor is it a launcher icon. Jan 12 18:16:22 OpsJAG: for an original Pre (1.4.x) the 3rd page of the default launcher pages has all the "system" stuff...date/time, screen/lock, etc. Jan 12 18:22:17 OK, found it. It was set to the correct timezone (US - Central (Chicago)). I turned network timezone on and off and also manually selected the timezone. My calendar is still screwed up. Jan 12 18:23:56 my guess is you might have to copy on the new db file or doctor the phone Jan 12 18:24:26 oh hey look what we have here. webos 3.0.5 86 is currently downloading. Jan 12 18:24:51 changelog anywhere? :) Jan 12 18:26:22 https://twitter.com/#!/fxspec06/status/157528797531488256 Jan 12 18:26:24 no clue Jan 12 18:26:54 "a variety of software improvements" Jan 12 18:28:42 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2012/01/an-update-on-updates.html Jan 12 18:28:52 there you go Jan 12 18:31:29 sweet Jan 12 18:32:23 now if only they'd update the veer Jan 12 18:33:31 yeah Jan 12 18:36:10 http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb/na/touchpad/touchpad/wifi/solutions/article/18666_en.html#305 here's a better one Jan 12 18:37:08 I'm really hoping this fixes scrolling in NomNomNOm Jan 12 18:37:08 sweet Jan 12 18:38:52 i'm really hoping this fixes >... a lot of things ;) Jan 12 18:38:59 doctor is available Jan 12 18:39:13 "Improved handling of MP3s that are transferred from a computer using USB Drive mode." maybe this means faster transfers Jan 12 18:39:19 (one can only hope) Jan 12 18:39:30 hahahahaha........ Jan 12 18:43:18 3.0.5 is being OTA'd now? Jan 12 18:43:39 sweet Jan 12 18:44:11 to what? Jan 12 18:44:13 OTA -- as in, over the WIFI air surrounding you Jan 12 18:44:31 because obviously no touchpad is connected to ethernet. besides halfhalo's Jan 12 18:44:36 Validating... Jan 12 18:44:39 I don't know why I'm wasting bandwidth Jan 12 18:44:50 I don't have enough battery, apparently Jan 12 18:44:51 just to add the 3.0.5 att hashes to the wiki Jan 12 18:47:25 there's a 3.0.%?!?!?!?!?! Jan 12 18:47:30 where % = 5 Jan 12 18:47:34 yes Jan 12 18:47:34 3.0.(@*#&$%()@*#^%@!!!! Jan 12 18:48:02 is it generally available? should i be updating my touchyfeelypad? Jan 12 18:48:14 depends on what sort of relationship you have with it Jan 12 18:48:14 you can OTA it Jan 12 18:48:19 so, "yes"? Jan 12 18:48:24 ":D" Jan 12 18:48:31 * Mousey busts out his tablet Jan 12 18:48:40 is it gonna break all my AWESOME patches?! Jan 12 18:48:44 YES Jan 12 18:48:46 oh Jan 12 18:48:50 * Mousey puts his tablet away Jan 12 18:49:32 heh Jan 12 18:50:08 they didn't want to let you guys have it, so I knocked some heads Jan 12 18:50:10 you're welcome Jan 12 18:50:31 sugardave: well, I appreciate your part in letting me have it Jan 12 18:50:43 I aim to please Jan 12 18:51:00 * fxspec06 testing w/o removing patches Jan 12 18:51:06 in fact, I'll even go a step further, and ask that you give it to me, hard Jan 12 18:51:08 installed, booting....... Jan 12 18:51:08 dundunDUN Jan 12 18:51:19 sugardave /nick tron ? Jan 12 18:51:25 heh Jan 12 18:51:25 fights for the user @ palm? Jan 12 18:51:37 so far nothing has broke yet. but kinda hard to break a flashing logo Jan 12 18:51:48 =P Jan 12 18:51:51 sugardave: knock heads so we can have 2.2.4 for the veer Jan 12 18:53:46 actually... with the touchpad's hostmode usb port and a usb/ethernet adapter... :) Jan 12 18:54:08 and drivers obviously... Jan 12 18:54:16 no one's tried it yet? Jan 12 18:55:21 oo new sdk too Jan 12 18:55:42 oh hey we booted Jan 12 18:56:21 I removed my patches first... cause I'm a scaredy cat Jan 12 18:56:40 f14 is gone Jan 12 18:57:09 I probably should have downloaded it with the download manager unthrottle patch still installed :( Jan 12 18:58:06 GES is gone too Jan 12 18:58:19 your kernel is gone? what a shock Jan 12 18:58:25 hi Jan 12 18:58:29 mind = blown? Jan 12 18:58:39 you can I get a underscore _ symbol in sdlterminal ? Jan 12 18:59:39 if you're on a touchpad, ditch sdlterminal, try wterm Jan 12 18:59:51 yeah Jan 12 18:59:53 dwc-: no I am on a hp veer Jan 12 19:00:04 or PuffTheMagic will come to your house and eat your children Jan 12 19:00:09 then isn't there a _ on the keyboard? Jan 12 19:00:26 dwc-: I don't see one Jan 12 19:00:27 sym+- Jan 12 19:00:42 dont' have my veer in front of me, but my pre2 has a - on s and a _ on , Jan 12 19:00:46 sugardave: that gives me a ^ Jan 12 19:00:52 hmm Jan 12 19:00:55 but I also have a US veer, if that matters Jan 12 19:01:04 f4** is gone. i see an 'update' in preware. we'll try installing it. Jan 12 19:01:18 I thought - and _ were the same key...don't have my phone in front of me Jan 12 19:01:20 dwc-: I have an german veer Jan 12 19:01:26 gee maybe i should head over to #webosinternals Jan 12 19:01:31 and I don't have a veer anyway :) Jan 12 19:01:42 sugardave isn't as cool anymore Jan 12 19:01:55 * sugardave is still the coolest. Jan 12 19:02:10 #webosinternals: Channel unknown. Jan 12 19:02:16 I don't need a mini-phone when I have a mini-tablet ;) Jan 12 19:02:20 ya i noticed lol. what is the channel for them Jan 12 19:02:27 leszek: it's #webos-internals Jan 12 19:03:20 you should wait a day after the update comes out before asking questions about why something doesnt work on the new webos Jan 12 19:05:31 ahh yes, you germans have extra letters you need on your keyboards, probably _ was the thing to toss Jan 12 19:07:25 as far as I see there isn't an option to switch the keyboard layout from within webos xD Jan 12 19:10:25 * sugardave installs the new SDK. Jan 12 19:13:24 i really wish htop had cpu speed Jan 12 19:13:40 its really hard to tell if 27% cpu usage is at 192hz or 1.2 Jan 12 19:13:42 ghz Jan 12 19:14:08 screenshots are not saving Jan 12 19:19:53 I'm looking for a sample how to switch to one pane from another Jan 12 19:21:10 in addition to the new sdk appears to be 2.2.4 emulator images Jan 12 19:21:14 pre2 and pre3 format Jan 12 19:22:12 o cool i can take SS's again Jan 12 19:34:56 I'm using a Pane kind with multiple vflexboxes as components, how can I switch from one vflexbox to the other, or access the pane to make it switch ? Jan 12 19:36:09 Simpson_2: each first-level component of a pane is a "view" of the pane Jan 12 19:36:24 so, if you name them you can do, pane.selectViewByName(viewName); Jan 12 19:36:33 or you can do it by index Jan 12 19:36:44 they are ordered how you declared them in the pane Jan 12 19:37:09 okay, but how do I acces pane from within the view ? Jan 12 19:37:21 the pane is in a different file as well Jan 12 19:37:50 this.container inside a view will access its container (the pane) Jan 12 19:43:06 Remove preware patches on TP before I update, right? Jan 12 19:44:10 this.container.$.pane.selectViewByName ? Jan 12 19:44:10 anyone notice an audio difference after the update? Jan 12 19:46:27 Simpson_2: should be more like this.container.selectViewByName Jan 12 19:46:29 OR Jan 12 19:47:16 make some generic methods in the kind that houses the pane to do the select view and in the view do: this.owner.genericSelectView(viewName); Jan 12 19:47:28 or something like that Jan 12 19:47:47 or do it with events Jan 12 19:48:12 add some events to the views and have it doEvent(newViewName) and then the owner kind can select it in the pane, etc. Jan 12 19:48:24 lots of ways to do this Jan 12 19:49:31 now youre moving out of my comfort zone :) Jan 12 19:50:00 but the container method works for now Jan 12 19:50:13 meh, events in Enyo are super simple Jan 12 19:51:36 yup I noticed that Jan 12 19:51:52 I use webos for prototyping my open data initiatives and I love it Jan 12 19:53:17 just need to have some working sample soon, but i'm getting there :) Jan 12 19:57:43 Anyone? Jan 12 20:01:30 sweet, new sublime2 has some rudimentary completion now Jan 12 20:02:03 Boopop: definitive answers to patching questions can be found in #webos-internals Jan 12 20:03:08 sugardave, this event stuff, do you have some reading + sample for that ? Jan 12 20:04:17 Simpson_2: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/events.html#event-creation Jan 12 20:06:25 boom. Jan 12 20:10:07 is there a way to disable exhibition mode Jan 12 20:10:09 i fucking hate it Jan 12 20:10:26 theres always a hammer. Jan 12 20:10:58 write a clear card one and set it as default :) Jan 12 20:11:29 sugardave, okay thx Jan 12 20:14:19 sugardave, so I would create a event in my view kind right ? Jan 12 20:15:52 yeah, something like events: {onSwitchView: ""} Jan 12 20:16:22 then listen for onSwitchView on them in the kind where the pane is Jan 12 20:16:26 and then in the pane components I would define a function for onswitch Jan 12 20:16:35 okay got it Jan 12 20:16:38 cool Jan 12 20:17:18 when you run this.doSwitchView in the view code, you can pss it arguments that will come in to the handler function Jan 12 20:18:07 this.doSwitchView({viewName: "newViewToSee"}); SHOULD be inEvent.viewName in your handler Jan 12 20:19:43 "enyo.string.runTextIndexer is not available on your system" Jan 12 20:19:48 lame Jan 12 20:24:01 sugardave, since you seem to like challenges.... how do I push variables around from one view to another ? Jan 12 20:25:59 well, events are good :) Jan 12 20:26:13 you can also put things in the application global namespace: enyo.application Jan 12 20:27:20 okay.... Jan 12 20:27:41 what is it you want to do? Jan 12 20:28:47 to pass variables would be to have a method in the view that can act on it...so you COULD use the event your using for switch to pass some other data (if applicable) and your switch handler would select the nwe view, then run the method with that data Jan 12 20:29:25 let me explain the outline of the app, I'm creating a app for the operational services of fire department amsterdam, we use RDF to publish incident data, one view shows a overview on a map, a second view should take the same incident URI ( RDF is about URI's) and load all sorts of details from other government agencies Jan 12 20:30:27 enyo.application.currentUri = theCurrentUri Jan 12 20:30:31 now your entire app has it Jan 12 20:31:13 or enyo.application.myAwesomeUriObjectWithABunchOfShitInIt: {} Jan 12 20:36:05 yay 3.0.5 is here Jan 12 20:36:29 now sugardave can finish open sourcing everything :) Jan 12 20:39:35 I don't know...I may have to take some bereavement time: http://www.wfaa.com/news/business/Dublins-tearful-farewell-to-DrnbspPepper-137154398.html Jan 12 20:48:19 hmm. everythign reboots, and I get "The systemu pdate HP webOS 3.0.5 86 failed to install. Please try again later." Jan 12 20:48:33 oh dear Jan 12 20:48:57 this makes me sad. Jan 12 20:49:20 it's later now Jan 12 20:50:05 how could it fail :( Jan 12 20:52:28 is this right if I want to unescape backslashes: replace(/\\\\/g,"\\") Jan 12 20:53:44 PuffTheMagic: looks right for a single match Jan 12 20:53:50 now downloading Jan 12 20:53:53 again :( Jan 12 20:53:57 not a repleace all? Jan 12 20:54:10 * sugardave cheers EricBlade1 on. Jan 12 20:54:22 PuffTheMagic: sorry, for a single line Jan 12 20:54:41 that will get all in one line, I think Jan 12 20:54:49 wait Jan 12 20:54:50 wait Jan 12 20:55:37 I think I'm right...g is for all the instances (global) but will stop after a line, so you want to add m if you have newlines and stuff Jan 12 20:55:51 /regex/gm Jan 12 20:56:11 these are single lines Jan 12 20:56:19 then you should be good Jan 12 20:56:38 i am trying to make input boxes in wterm for changing keybindings Jan 12 20:56:48 so for escape codes like '\\033[11~' Jan 12 20:56:55 i need that stupid \\ so that it renders Jan 12 20:57:04 right Jan 12 20:57:07 but before i set it in the plugin i need to convert that back Jan 12 20:57:36 for some reason that replace does not seem to be working Jan 12 20:57:56 according to my logging Jan 12 20:57:57 [20120112-15:56:18.026009] info: Terminal.setKeys(): \033[24~, /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/enyo-build.js:72 Jan 12 20:58:06 wait a second Jan 12 20:58:14 if it worked that would look like ^H[24~ Jan 12 20:58:20 err Jan 12 20:58:20 you are replacing \\ with.... Jan 12 20:58:21 \\ Jan 12 20:58:23 if it worked that would look like ^H[[24~ Jan 12 20:58:39 so you want /\\\\/g, "" Jan 12 20:58:46 oh Jan 12 20:58:48 ^H Jan 12 20:59:08 \033 should look like ^H[ Jan 12 21:00:13 hmmm Jan 12 21:00:19 sugardave, thanks for the help ! I'll put you in the credits ;) Jan 12 21:00:33 Simpson_2: hehe, np Jan 12 21:01:18 PuffTheMagic: what kind of escaping is \033 to ^H[ ? Maybe there is a function to do it for you already... Jan 12 21:02:16 ^H[ is just how it looks when the term/console displays it Jan 12 21:02:47 sugardave, i tried replacing the \\ with "" and that doesnt happen either Jan 12 21:04:10 hmmm Jan 12 21:04:22 is \ considered special by regex? Jan 12 21:04:28 maybe you just need \\ Jan 12 21:05:45 oh duh Jan 12 21:05:52 nvm, not all there right now Jan 12 21:07:16 PuffTheMagic: try it without a regex? Jan 12 21:07:49 but that looks weird: .replace("\\", "\\"); Jan 12 21:08:30 but just as weird/redundant at .replace(/\\\\/g, "\\"); Jan 12 21:08:36 shouldnt that be "\\\\", "\\" Jan 12 21:08:49 replace can be just a string Jan 12 21:09:05 your regex is loking for 2 \ and replacing it with 2 \ Jan 12 21:09:10 so you're not really doing anything Jan 12 21:09:23 i need to look for 2 and replace with 1 Jan 12 21:09:28 AH Jan 12 21:09:34 "\\", "\" Jan 12 21:09:41 you cant do that Jan 12 21:09:51 \ is an escape Jan 12 21:09:58 that's nto a regex Jan 12 21:10:04 i know Jan 12 21:10:06 1st arg to replace can just be a string Jan 12 21:10:10 \" breaks the string Jan 12 21:10:17 ah, okay Jan 12 21:10:17 thats why its \\\\ Jan 12 21:10:36 so yeah "\\\\", "\" should work Jan 12 21:11:02 noradtux, " Jan 12 21:11:05 no Jan 12 21:11:12 "\" is not valid in JS Jan 12 21:11:36 well shit Jan 12 21:12:55 ahh i think i know the problem now Jan 12 21:14:24 this page can do it :) http://www.regular-expressions.info/javascriptexample.html Jan 12 21:17:39 ok it's rebooting again Jan 12 21:17:41 noradtux, i still dont know what im doing Jan 12 21:17:50 if i have to doctor, i'm sending a touchpad back to HP Jan 12 21:20:20 PuffTheMagic: I'm at a loss...your first one looked good to me Jan 12 21:20:50 failed to install :( :( :( :( Jan 12 21:20:59 EricBlade1: WHAT DID YOU DO? Jan 12 21:21:43 I go to the System Update, I hit "Download Now", then I wait a while, and I hit "Install Now". it reboots a little while later, and comes up with the failed to install message Jan 12 21:22:11 and to make matters worse, Flickrmundo has picked a very creepy image of barbie dolls or some such Jan 12 21:22:27 oh dear Jan 12 21:23:06 hmm.... I'm missing a flash drive... Jan 12 21:29:19 so you got a problem and you think "i know, i'll solve it with regular expressions" ..... Jan 12 21:30:07 hahaha Jan 12 21:30:17 i need votes Jan 12 21:30:18 http://www.facebook.com/BCRacingNA?v=app_150654248380727&app_data=vote_entry_id%3D2569968&ref=nf Jan 12 21:30:23 go vote for my car :P Jan 12 21:30:48 if i had a facebook account, i might consider voting for you Jan 12 21:39:21 sugardave, i know what is wrong i just dont know how to fix it Jan 12 21:41:02 fix it with fire! Jan 12 21:41:57 http://allaboutwebos.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/android-apps-on-webos/ Jan 12 21:41:59 interesting Jan 12 21:42:44 DO WANT Jan 12 21:42:44 yeah Jan 12 21:42:49 played with that Jan 12 21:43:09 halfhalo: you said there was no timeframe they gave? Jan 12 21:43:22 nope Jan 12 21:43:48 grr Jan 12 21:44:12 because hell, I would buy a pre3 if I can use android apps on webOS Jan 12 21:44:26 that removes _all_ issues I have with webOS Jan 12 21:49:32 how do i vote Jan 12 21:50:19 oh i have to 'like' it first. Jan 12 21:50:54 http://www.facebook.com/BCRacingNA?v=app_150654248380727&app_data=vote_entry_id%3D2569968&ref=nf Jan 12 21:51:01 mines the blue STi ;p Jan 12 21:52:01 summatusmentis: having crappy apps that have no style guidelines solves your problems? Jan 12 21:52:05 done Jan 12 21:52:17 leiru: netflix, google music, shazam Jan 12 21:52:20 PuffTheMagic: well, that's half good news, I guess Jan 12 21:52:23 that's pretty much all I care about Jan 12 21:52:32 leiru: also, they just announced style guidelines :) Jan 12 21:52:42 i already have BC coilovers, would like spares :P Jan 12 21:52:54 i wonder if anyone here will vote for a different car Jan 12 21:52:58 wow i read about it. damn late... Jan 12 21:53:16 but here's no review even with the guidelines i think. Jan 12 21:53:38 but.. Jan 12 21:53:50 I mean, should there be review, if they're "guidelines"? Jan 12 21:53:58 why oyu just don't buy oone of that cheap androids around? Jan 12 21:54:11 because I want webOS Jan 12 21:54:28 but I also want app support Jan 12 21:54:51 maybe you want iOS, it's not so ugly and crappy. Jan 12 21:55:44 no, what I actually want is full app supoort on webOS. Android apps on webOS would be an ok stopgap Jan 12 21:55:55 summatusmentis: even the webOS market as app dev is dead. why should i, as app developer who spent alot of time, develop in a plattform that revenued me 16$ aafter 6 month? Jan 12 21:56:17 and given that there are never going to be official webOS phones again, I need to make a decision Jan 12 21:56:54 leiru: do you, as an app developer who spent a lot of time, have numbers for how much you make in much more saturated app markets? Jan 12 21:57:19 developed along with some open source software this one, took 3 months, every weekend and every spare time of my life(which wasnt a life any more): Jan 12 21:57:22 http://thesmartphoneappreview.com/2011/06/09/mite-touch-webos-review/ Jan 12 21:57:25 if you don't want to develop for webOS, don't Jan 12 21:57:28 got good critics Jan 12 21:57:37