**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 22 02:59:57 2012 Jan 22 03:49:19 bleh Jan 22 04:15:43 Huh, I'm still logged in here. Jan 22 04:16:45 IRC is not designed to be used from multiple devices. Jan 22 04:22:23 sure, why not Jan 22 06:19:42 how do I ssh to my TP via USB Jan 22 06:19:49 without using novacom Jan 22 06:20:05 w/ linux/ubuntu, sorry Jan 22 06:32:08 you don't. ssh is ssh. runs over tcp/ip. you want usb, you either have to work on/write your own or use novacom Jan 22 06:33:53 shouldn't "ssh -p 10022 root@localhost" work? Jan 22 06:35:09 dukiedrew: iirc that only works on windows Jan 22 06:35:34 just use novaterm in linux, its just so much easier Jan 22 06:39:29 problem w/ novaterm is ctrl+C closes novaterm when using it Jan 22 06:41:00 ah Jan 22 06:41:05 mine doesn't. (ubuntu) Jan 22 06:41:38 it does in windows though (command prompt) Jan 22 06:42:51 ah Jan 22 06:42:56 there's a diff b/w novaterm Jan 22 06:42:57 and novacom Jan 22 06:43:01 thanks Jan 22 06:43:25 not really (ubuntu) ... cat `which novaterm` Jan 22 06:45:04 if i run "novacom open tty://", then CTRL+C, it quits, "novaterm" then CTRL+C doesn't Jan 22 06:45:15 novacom & novaterm are both in /usr/local/bin Jan 22 06:45:28 anyway, thanks! Jan 22 08:15:41 * EricBlade sighs. i have only enough space on my desk to have one tablet in an upright position and still be able to see my monitors. i have 3 tablets, though. First world problems. Jan 22 10:36:57 Hi, I have HP veer, and in setting there are only English and spain languages, where should I start to add new locale (Russin) and then start adding RU_ru localazid files to application dir? Jan 22 10:37:27 I want to make Russian interface and russian locale for all default applications. Jan 22 10:37:47 and Ukrainian too. :) Jan 22 13:03:35 Hi, I have HP veer, and in setting there are only English and spain languages, where should I start to add new locale (Russin) and then start adding RU_ru localazid files to application dir? Jan 22 13:03:44 I want to make Russian interface and Russian locale for all default applications. Jan 22 13:03:46 and Ukrainian too. :) Jan 22 13:21:01 marchelly: this should get you started: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/localization.html Jan 22 15:43:30 How can I align a Scroller and/or VirtualList at the buttom, like in the messaging app? Jan 22 15:44:05 i.e. if the scroller is bigger than its content, align the content at the bottom Jan 22 15:45:53 *bottom lol Jan 22 15:46:09 mornin' Jan 22 15:46:25 hoping i can get pointed in the right direction Jan 22 15:46:53 some friends and I are branching away from android and want to start developing webOS apps Jan 22 15:47:23 not really sure how to get started. android is kind of built into dreamweaver Jan 22 15:47:28 webOS is not, so... Jan 22 15:47:55 artichoku: Which devices would you like to target? Jan 22 15:48:10 initially, we are targetting the touchpad Jan 22 15:48:22 just because we all have that device Jan 22 15:48:33 from there we will adapt the apps to work on other devices Jan 22 15:49:10 artichoku: So only tablets or also phones? Jan 22 15:49:18 phones will come later Jan 22 15:49:39 we are working specifically on a netflix app Jan 22 15:50:00 "the mother of invention is necessity" kind of thing Jan 22 15:50:13 we've broken down the android version of the app Jan 22 15:50:37 I'd say learning Enyo would be the thing to start with. Jan 22 15:50:46 enyo, got it Jan 22 15:51:31 i'm primarily on linux. do i need to use my windows partition for enyo? or can i pretty much use anything? Jan 22 15:52:09 artichoku: nope, Linux is fine. I only use Ubuntu Jan 22 15:52:17 Enyo is a web application framework. You develop your apps in JavaScript, you can even test your apps in GoogleChrome Jan 22 15:52:46 i was gonna say, it looks like java, lol Jan 22 15:53:03 i just went to the palm dev site Jan 22 15:53:10 only that Java is nicer than JavaScript ;) Jan 22 15:53:18 lol true Jan 22 15:53:30 wow you really did point me in the right direction Jan 22 15:53:53 we are still waiting to hear from netflix so we may have permission Jan 22 15:54:20 it would be nice of them to give us all of the server information so we don't end up in trouble Jan 22 15:54:35 after you installed the SDK, here's the page with lots of info to get started: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo.html Jan 22 15:55:15 awesome! Jan 22 15:55:17 thanks so much Jan 22 15:55:19 well, have you had a look at that? http://developer.netflix.com/ They seem to have an official developer API Jan 22 15:55:24 no problem Jan 22 15:55:30 yeah we are all members Jan 22 15:55:45 it's like no one at netflix ever checks their dev forums Jan 22 15:58:46 and outside of enyo/javascript development you have the PDK with all these https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/pdk/linking.html Jan 22 15:59:01 very cool Jan 22 16:03:12 sweet! http://oauth.net/code/ Jan 22 16:03:33 i don't know why no one has done this before Jan 22 16:03:44 we will have very little to do Jan 22 16:06:09 you'll also probably wind up drowning in a sea of people offering to beta test Jan 22 16:09:36 i'm sure, lol Jan 22 16:09:40 installing the sdk now Jan 22 16:10:01 by netflix app I assume you mean something managing your queue, not video playback Jan 22 16:10:14 nope, we are going for video playback Jan 22 16:10:19 a proper netflix app Jan 22 16:10:20 good luck! Jan 22 16:10:51 you're going to port the DRM to webOS? Jan 22 16:10:53 we've got all the code for the android version, we just have to adapt it Jan 22 16:11:15 ya, you've got the native code DRM decription? Jan 22 16:11:20 yuppers Jan 22 16:11:41 you've reversed engineered it or netflix hired you to do this? Jan 22 16:12:14 reverse engineering, though we've contacted netflix and are waiting on permission and proper code Jan 22 16:12:20 ha Jan 22 16:12:45 afaik, the public developer APIs at netflix do not allow streaming Jan 22 16:12:52 ya, I dont think they're gonna take kindly to that. Jan 22 16:13:05 they'll be thrilled if they get paid for it Jan 22 16:13:12 that's why we're asking permission Jan 22 16:13:19 yea, good luck with that Jan 22 16:13:39 having worked for a company that did a streaming video to mobile apps product, its more complicated than that Jan 22 16:13:57 their DRM solution isnt something they just let anyone port to any platform and release. Jan 22 16:14:07 well of course not Jan 22 16:14:24 and believe me when i say we understand their... trepidation... Jan 22 16:14:25 there are also contractual obligations to the media companies Jan 22 16:15:12 we've successfully streamed to the hp touchpad in two different ways Jan 22 16:15:29 one being remote desktop, in which you're really just streaming from your pc Jan 22 16:15:45 I'd love to see a netflix app on webOS, but I'd eat my hat if you successfully reverse engineer the DRM for a native app and they dont shut it down. Jan 22 16:15:53 yea, thats cheating Jan 22 16:16:01 and the other was with an ubuntu partition on the touchpad. it runs inside webos Jan 22 16:16:04 also cheating Jan 22 16:16:14 and not for the average user Jan 22 16:16:39 what we have reverse engineered, we recompiled and put back on to an android device Jan 22 16:16:44 but it's really REALLY buggy Jan 22 16:16:51 as i'm sure you know with reverse engineering Jan 22 16:17:16 the whole point of the DRM is so that you cant do this sort of thing, so I'm sure its not going to get their blessing. Jan 22 16:17:24 the only way we're going to be super successful is with the help of netfix Jan 22 16:17:45 or even if we can get the ball rolling and give the code to netflix Jan 22 16:17:56 half their work will be done and they'll finish the rest Jan 22 16:18:15 what we are really trying to accomplish is to show netflix the importance Jan 22 16:18:25 there's ALOT of netflix customers that are missing out Jan 22 16:18:29 especially these days Jan 22 16:18:29 the easier method would have been for HP to give neflix a couple hundred thousand for the dev effort and get it ported. Jan 22 16:19:00 even with wifi tablets, turn your phone into a hotspot and you can watch movies in the middle of nowhere, in the car, or anywhere else Jan 22 16:19:26 when the wiki is up, we'll see if we can get a petition showing that customers would pay for the app Jan 22 16:19:38 so we can show netflix that there is revenue to be made Jan 22 16:19:40 hard to sell netflix on teh importance of webos when HP itself doesnt see fit to invest in it. Jan 22 16:19:48 true Jan 22 16:20:24 in any case, it's going to be a fun project Jan 22 16:20:35 even if we can't share it with anyone once it's done Jan 22 16:21:39 ok sdk and novacom installed! Jan 22 16:21:46 gotta go get virtual box! Jan 22 16:23:52 you likely want to take apart the HP Movie store app, its a whitelabled Roxio. Seeing that will likely show you how to try this. Jan 22 16:24:07 oooo very good idea Jan 22 16:24:13 i didn't think about that Jan 22 16:24:54 the app UI is the trivial bit, its compiling the DRM, streaming and hooking to video playback thats gonna be the tough part. Jan 22 16:26:16 definately so... Jan 22 16:26:20 you'll also note that on the TouchPad there is no JVM Jan 22 16:26:30 ye :( Jan 22 16:26:43 it's definately a tough app Jan 22 16:29:49 we could always remove DRM, but we would get into some SERIOUS shit Jan 22 16:33:01 ugh! Jan 22 16:33:08 virtual box isn't showing webos Jan 22 16:33:32 artichoku, use palm-emulator from the command line Jan 22 16:33:39 it'll launch vbox for ya Jan 22 16:33:39 ooo Jan 22 16:33:43 ty Jan 22 16:33:58 that got it! Jan 22 16:34:01 tyty Jan 22 16:35:39 lol Jan 22 16:35:42 that's funny looking Jan 22 16:36:21 * fxspec06 go patriots Jan 22 16:38:18 alright everyone, thank you very much for all your pointers Jan 22 16:38:28 i'll make sure to let everyone know our findings Jan 22 16:39:07 glad i could help ;) Jan 22 16:39:26 wait are you gonna be working on a netflix app Jan 22 16:39:31 yup Jan 22 16:39:44 =O Jan 22 16:39:46 * fxspec06 bows Jan 22 16:39:57 don't bow til it works, lol Jan 22 16:40:03 lol Jan 22 16:40:10 see you all soon Jan 22 16:40:26 well if u need help this would most likely be the place ;) GL Jan 22 19:13:22 * PatrickC goes to see if this will work Jan 22 19:14:02 * sugardave makes book. "5:1 odds." Jan 22 19:25:46 using an if/else statement within an if/else statement within another if/else statement lol Jan 22 19:27:57 is that 5:1 odds for patrick or for everyone else Jan 22 19:28:32 PatrickC: are those conditions actually dependent on one-another? Jan 22 19:29:10 somewhat? the first if/else is for finding out what kind of URL it is, the second is for finding out what kind of event is being called, then the third one is what sub-event is being called Jan 22 19:30:09 http://tinypaste.com/47d7c1b5 Jan 22 19:31:05 your whitespacing is terrible Jan 22 19:32:12 at least, I'm not aware of any conventions where you have Jan 22 19:32:15 if { Jan 22 19:32:18 stuff Jan 22 19:32:20 } Jan 22 19:33:14 i'd be positive there's another way to do it w/o looking at it Jan 22 19:33:41 well, i only need the "else" to fire when the event.command is === to the command.. havent found another way to do it so far Jan 22 19:33:52 oh hey, there's a switch candidate. Jan 22 19:34:12 lets assign event.command to a new var and switch it Jan 22 19:34:49 fxspec06, i use switch/case earlier in the code Jan 22 19:35:01 but it doesnt do what i need (where i use it) Jan 22 19:35:01 oh right. my bad. can't use it more than once =\ Jan 22 19:35:11 ( forgot about that ) Jan 22 19:35:54 but, i think this will work once i figure out how to assign the function() more then one thing in the () (i havent had to do that before, so didnt know how) ill figure it out :) Jan 22 19:36:13 and (event, url) and (url, event) and (url event) and (event url) dont work Jan 22 19:36:41 var cmd = event.command; switch ( cmd ) { case "xx":dostuff;break;case"yy":dostuffagain;break;default:dunrelyneedthis;break; } Jan 22 19:37:04 i know how to use switch/case for it... Jan 22 19:37:17 but i still need to define more then one thing in function () Jan 22 19:37:32 then use it. every time you do an if statement it loads the variables again Jan 22 19:37:49 you are loading event.command three times in that long if statement Jan 22 19:38:08 i first need to figure out how to define 2 things in function () Jan 22 19:38:21 var x, y; Jan 22 19:38:42 function (event url) Jan 22 19:38:44 is what i need Jan 22 19:38:48 i need both of those... Jan 22 19:38:55 function (event, url){} Jan 22 19:39:00 that didnt work Jan 22 19:39:03 you can't put spaces Jan 22 19:39:11 then you're not passing the params correctly Jan 22 19:39:12 thats why then Jan 22 19:39:17 i was using spaces Jan 22 19:39:18 or the fucntion is not taking an event Jan 22 19:39:44 whatever calls the function has to pass the correct args in the right order or you won't see the results you want Jan 22 19:40:00 it's not a matter of 'it doesn't work', it's a matter of 'i'm not telling it what i want it to do' Jan 22 19:46:59 http://tinypaste.com/97056fda (i get the error that it cant call bind(this) with the this.poupHandler(url).bind(this) Jan 22 19:47:48 no no no Jan 22 19:48:06 this.popupHandler.bind(this, url) Jan 22 19:48:27 yes. what he said Jan 22 19:48:45 if you do this.popupHandler(url).bind(this), it is trying to bind the result of RUNNING the function Jan 22 19:49:26 thanks Jan 22 19:49:27 trying that now Jan 22 19:49:49 i took the bind(this) off the function totally and it went crazy lol Jan 22 19:49:51 wow. what an asshat. Jan 22 19:50:25 some guy who won one of the touchpads from the hp raffle yesterday apparently put his name in 15 times Jan 22 19:50:46 wow =\ Jan 22 19:50:47 how'd they discover that Jan 22 19:50:57 HP Discover? ( j/k ) Jan 22 19:51:00 went through the entries Jan 22 19:51:13 PatrickC: are you getting a pro? Jan 22 19:51:19 so are they going to take it back? Jan 22 19:51:20 hotdp, huh? Jan 22 19:51:27 Pro at Enyo? Jan 22 19:51:38 dwc- no, to late for that Jan 22 19:51:39 i know some enyo.. not tons Jan 22 19:51:40 why? Jan 22 19:51:45 they didn't even use names last year so I guess that's a slight improvement Jan 22 19:52:08 Your are talking alot of code in here so i guess you must be learning alot Jan 22 19:52:14 we had tickets where were better. Jan 22 19:52:29 I'm all for not forcing people to badge scan for entries, but multi-entries is ridiculous Jan 22 19:52:51 I /could/ have entered multiple times.... every time I stopped by to talk to the hp people I'd get offered another ticket, but I never took them Jan 22 19:53:23 hotdp, im doing mojo right now :) Jan 22 19:54:09 So Mojo meister? Jan 22 19:54:35 na, more like novice Jan 22 19:55:40 i know enough to get by (barely) Jan 22 19:56:12 why are you writing a Mojo app? Jan 22 19:56:20 improving on one Jan 22 19:56:26 im on the Project Macaw team Jan 22 19:56:40 you know...Enyo can run on phones now Jan 22 19:56:45 lies Jan 22 19:56:53 yes, but we built Project Macaw off of Phnx, which was already mojo Jan 22 19:57:16 this guy here is crazy Jan 22 19:57:21 If it github? Jan 22 19:57:24 is* Jan 22 19:57:36 http://github.com/minego/phnx Jan 22 19:57:39 :o Jan 22 19:57:45 you are not comitting right? Jan 22 19:58:20 oh my Jan 22 19:58:22 to late Jan 22 19:58:43 so, rewrite it. Jan 22 19:58:44 sounds like a rewrite would be better Jan 22 19:59:01 hotdp, what do u mean "to late"? Jan 22 19:59:11 sugardave, i dont know enough to rewrite this app lol Jan 22 19:59:21 and Micah (_minego) doesnt want to do a full rewrite Jan 22 19:59:26 (hes the lead dev on the project) Jan 22 19:59:32 lol Jan 22 20:00:22 hotdp, we've made many, many improvements over Phnx Jan 22 20:00:37 we have close to (if not over by now) 2,000 users Jan 22 20:04:05 http://tinypaste.com/991992c8 .. the showOptsUrl is the function thats called when someone wants the popup menu, the popupHandler is obvious (it should be passing the URL that it receives from the showOptsUrl function) and the copyLinkUrl should be taking the (url) which the detailsTapped passes to the handleLink which passes it to showOptsUrl Jan 22 20:04:07 did that make sense? :) Jan 22 20:04:25 why is patrick earning money every time he needs help? ;) Jan 22 20:04:48 stephen tyler! holy crap! Jan 22 20:04:49 dwc-, how do u know im earning money? :) Jan 22 20:05:08 i paste a lot of code, so why not use tinypaste? lol Jan 22 20:05:46 football time at scale? I think yes. Jan 22 20:05:47 really havent made that much.. http://prntscr.com/5j0ye Jan 22 20:06:29 halfhalo: YUP Jan 22 20:08:06 remind me never to click PatrickC's links again Jan 22 20:08:13 >_> Jan 22 20:08:30 yeah, I didn't know that was an affiliate thing Jan 22 20:08:53 if it makes yall feel better, i can use a different service (if you guys wont click on the links.....) Jan 22 20:09:05 cause i do need help (no comment lol) Jan 22 20:09:08 I'm never helpful anyway Jan 22 20:09:32 but sugardave is :) Jan 22 20:11:39 fxspec06, how do u like ICS on the touchpad? Jan 22 20:15:19 it's buggy Jan 22 20:16:52 but see, I don't do Mojo anymore Jan 22 20:16:57 I've evolved Jan 22 20:17:22 i dislike many of the android apps Jan 22 20:17:35 lots of junk to sift through Jan 22 20:17:41 yeah Jan 22 20:18:42 but it is nice.. there are some cool apps on it Jan 22 20:18:54 you still running webOS as your main device? Jan 22 20:19:24 what do you mean 'main device' Jan 22 20:19:33 o.O Jan 22 20:20:21 main phone Jan 22 20:20:38 ballz Jan 22 20:20:44 * PatrickC just got Asphalt 6 HD to run on his Android TouchPad Jan 22 20:22:12 * dwc- has asphalt6 on his touchpad Jan 22 20:22:22 i have it on android and webos Jan 22 20:23:02 not much distinction between android apps. all look similar. Jan 22 20:23:11 and that is not good. Jan 22 20:23:43 it might be fun to try and get webos to run on android Jan 22 20:23:52 jrabbit, already done? Jan 22 20:23:57 it has? Jan 22 20:23:58 fun. Jan 22 20:24:00 they got webOs running on the evo 3d Jan 22 20:24:05 oh no Jan 22 20:24:09 I mean inside android Jan 22 20:24:16 not on an android phone Jan 22 20:24:19 thats simple enough Jan 22 20:24:44 ahh Jan 22 20:30:28 man I love having an irc bouncer Jan 22 20:31:35 PatrickC: android touchpad? im disappointed Jan 22 20:32:09 Cwayne: only for games Jan 22 20:32:26 and I want to check out the competition... ICS is actually kinda nice Jan 22 20:32:48 their multitasking system is /ok/ its much better the any OS (next to webOS of course :) ) Jan 22 20:33:11 * cwayne is still working on ubuntu11.10 on my tp Jan 22 20:34:02 isn't there a chroot? (or is that 11.04?) Jan 22 20:34:03 you are no longer welcome PatrickC. So THERE Jan 22 20:35:53 chroots are for quitters PatrickC Jan 22 20:37:59 I'll definitely triple boot once an alpha is available :) Jan 22 20:56:31 Is there a keyboard shortcut to change the system volume on the Pre 2? Jan 22 21:01:29 There should be a patch so that you can hold down the Orange button and use the volume buttons to adjust the System Volume. Jan 22 21:21:18 just opened a new touchpad Jan 22 21:21:29 and this one has a (real) sim slot O.o Jan 22 21:22:19 and a crack right next to it >.< Jan 22 21:28:46 mischko: go write one :) Jan 22 21:30:54 After reading https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/localization.html I still have question, how to add available countries (languages) to system setting to be able to choose them? Jan 22 21:31:14 summatusmentis, where to start? I've never done a patch on WebOs. I do Python programming and some web development. Jan 22 21:31:48 I've never done one either Jan 22 21:36:24 PatrickC: I am disappoint. Jan 22 21:36:55 this touchpad is downloading all my apps when i skipped that section >.< Jan 22 21:37:48 LarrySteeze: is that a 3G pad? Jan 22 21:38:31 rwhitby: I haven't had a chance to test a sim card, but it would appear to be so far. Jan 22 21:39:47 * halfhalo would pay for 3g TP Jan 22 21:40:14 it certainly wasn't in a 3g tp box Jan 22 21:40:31 LarrySteeze: I'll swap you a 32G crack-free wifi TP for that cracked up decrepit 3G heap of junk you've got there ... Jan 22 21:40:40 and it *was* sealed in the original plastic Jan 22 21:40:42 HAH! Jan 22 21:40:46 it only has a small crack Jan 22 21:41:04 oh, it's only a small insignificant crack now ... ;) Jan 22 21:41:18 and if it is a 3g tp, with a working sim slot, I will feel like I hit the jackpot and this one will become my primary Jan 22 21:41:57 webos 3.0.586 is available o.o lol Jan 22 21:42:56 I wouldn't be surprised if the slot is not working though Jan 22 21:42:57 it should be on your other devices too Jan 22 21:43:19 I thought it was 3.0.5...without the 86 Jan 22 21:43:27 3.0.5 86 Jan 22 21:43:36 gotcha. missed that part before then Jan 22 21:45:20 Hi, I have HP veer, and in setting there are only English and spain languages, where should I start to add new locale (Russin) and then start adding RU_ru localazid files to application dir? Jan 22 21:45:22 I want to make Russian interface and Russian locale for all default applications. Jan 22 21:45:32 After reading https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/localization.html I still have question, how to add available countries (languages) to system setting to be able to choose them? Jan 22 22:16:01 twitter died Jan 22 22:20:54 * LarrySteeze tweets "I think twitter is down" Jan 22 22:23:29 LarrySteeze: what's your handle? Jan 22 22:23:43 on twitter? Jan 22 22:23:53 to be honest, I don't tweet much Jan 22 22:24:00 but my handle is @LarrySteeze Jan 22 22:49:50 FUCK Jan 22 22:53:29 ...? Jan 22 23:14:08 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Jan 22 23:14:11 lol nfl Jan 22 23:15:00 YEAHHHHHHHHHH PATRIOTS TO SUPER BOWL!!!! Jan 22 23:15:06 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jan 22 23:15:10 booo patriots! Jan 22 23:15:25 f yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jan 22 23:15:41 fxspec06, score? Jan 22 23:16:04 23-20 Jan 22 23:16:42 ouch... Jan 22 23:17:14 damn. I wanted a suphar baughwl Jan 22 23:17:14 YYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Jan 22 23:18:19 twitter down? Jan 22 23:18:20 lol who misses a 32 yard feild goal Jan 22 23:18:36 lots of people Jan 22 23:18:45 * PatrickC points to cwayne Jan 22 23:18:45 false Jan 22 23:18:46 well, my tp recognizes the sim card Jan 22 23:18:58 now to see if the data works :D Jan 22 23:19:18 or rather...now to find a sim card that actually has service Jan 22 23:19:31 dwc-: srsly? 32 yards? Jan 22 23:19:32 cmon Jan 22 23:19:36 * DougReeder_ waves hello Jan 22 23:19:42 and yeah, I'm just as surprised Jan 22 23:19:50 hey DougReeder Jan 22 23:19:57 I'm surprised he missed as well, but it's not -that- uncommon to miss one eveyr so often Jan 22 23:20:19 I'm sure some sports stats nerd sites could give you the exact numbers Jan 22 23:20:28 i don't think middle schoolers miss 30 yarders very often Jan 22 23:21:16 Anyone have experience with 'warning: "HAVE_STDLIB_H" redefined' when writing a plugin? Jan 22 23:21:17 odd... the url that it passes is the case... :/ Jan 22 23:21:52 check for DEFINE HAVE_STDLIB_H to something Jan 22 23:23:02 http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/11/just-for-kicks.html Jan 22 23:23:56 I get it when including jpeglib.h Jan 22 23:25:25 Look like neither jpeglib.h notr some other standard lib are playing nice Jan 22 23:29:39 http://www.bookofodds.com/Daily-Life-Activities/Sports/Articles/A0175-Field-Goals-Under-Game-Winning-Pressure Jan 22 23:30:04 if you're not defining it in any of your own code, then that suggests multiple of your headers is defining it Jan 22 23:30:23 or that you're including a header twice, one of the ones that doesn't check for double inclusion of itself Jan 22 23:33:57 http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/891214/omg.gif Jan 22 23:34:31 heh Jan 22 23:35:52 Well, yeah, but it's odd that libjpeg isn't playing nice. Jan 22 23:42:53 jconfig.h just #defines it, no check to see if it's already defined Jan 22 23:46:20 http://tinypaste.com/8d090941 this now almost works perfectly... but it error out by saying Jan 22 23:46:20 [20120122-17:42:37.285614] error: Uncaught TypeError: Object http://bit.ly/wYVmj Jan 22 23:46:20 A has no method 'copyLinkUrl', app/assistants/toasters/tweet.js:311 Jan 22 23:47:02 which 311 is case 'cmdCopyLinkUrl': Jan 22 23:47:03 this.copyLinkUrl(url); Jan 22 23:47:03 break; Jan 22 23:47:18 ugh.. sorry (nopaste ) didnt think it would format like that Jan 22 23:48:54 Gah, I'll file another bug report Jan 22 23:49:08 PatrickC: use pastebin. Jan 22 23:49:27 cwayne, well, im using tinypaste right now (just didnt put that paste in it like that) Jan 22 23:49:44 PatrickC: use pastebin Jan 22 23:49:50 any specific reason? Jan 22 23:50:38 PatrickC: because pastebin has no affiliate program Jan 22 23:50:39 http://pastebin.com/CZaqGf8v Jan 22 23:51:59 I have HP veer, and in setting there are only English and spain languages, where should I start to add new locale (Russin) and then start adding RU_ru localazid files to application dir? Jan 22 23:52:02 I want to make Russian interface and Russian locale for all default applications. Jan 22 23:52:05 After reading https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/localization.html I still have question, how to add available countries (languages) to system setting to be able to choose them? Jan 22 23:52:45 marchelly, im not 100% sure about this, but if the Veer is an AT&T one, i think (remember, not 100% sure) that you will have to run the WebOS Internals meta-doctor to add languages Jan 22 23:53:24 cwayne, any idea why it gives me that error? Jan 22 23:54:18 the error at line 311 is the this.copyLinkUrl(url); Jan 22 23:57:14 PatrickC, so there is no documentation about this? There is linux on board, and I believe this could be done in shell, isnt' it? Jan 22 23:58:02 and you are right this is veer at&t one, also where is this logo, or path to logo, I want to change it too Jan 23 00:00:01 marchelly, that is more for #webos-internals and would be easiest done with the WebOS internals Meta-doctor Jan 23 00:00:18 meta-doctor has no language addition features Jan 23 00:00:40 DougReeder_: where else is it being defined? Jan 23 00:00:40 rwhitby, whenever i meta-doctor there are always more languages on the first-use app Jan 23 00:00:57 PatrickC: that all depends on what doctor you are using ... Jan 23 00:01:09 ~ find /opt/PalmPDK/include -exec grep -Hn HAVE_STDLIB_H {} \; Jan 23 00:01:16 e.g. US doctor has US/MX Jan 23 00:01:23 an EU doctor has more Jan 23 00:01:52 PatrickC: have you done that logic course yet? A->B does not mean B->A Jan 23 00:02:07 ~ find /opt/PalmPDK/include -exec grep -Hn HAVE_STDLIB_H {} \; Jan 23 00:02:20 hrm, guys, I really want to understand how does it works, I have linux exp, but not so much in webapps which are used in this device. Jan 23 00:02:22 rwhitby, i assumed (i know, i shouoldnt) that the meta-doctor just added all the language packs in Jan 23 00:03:02 marchelly: no documentation, webOS apps have a resources directory with locale-specific strings files Jan 23 00:03:02 Sorry, jconfig.h and SDL_config.h both define HAVE_STDLIB_H Jan 23 00:03:37 DougReeder_: are they being defined to the same value? if so, it is usually safe to ignore Jan 23 00:03:48 s/ignore/ignore the warning Jan 23 00:03:53 marchelly: as for the base OS, it seems you have a US-only version of the firmware for the Veer. Choose an EFIGS version to start from instead. You may need to change the tokens on your device to make it accept the international version of the firmware. Jan 23 00:03:58 hrm, guys, I really want to understand how does it works, I have linux exp, but not so much in webapps which are used in this device I have US only Jan 23 00:04:37 SDL_config defines it to be 1, jconfig just defines it. So, yeah, it's probbly safe. Just anoying Jan 23 00:05:14 rwatkins, where I should start from ? I mean what is EFIGS and how to change device tokens Jan 23 00:05:20 thanks for the help guys, sugardav1, because of u, i almost have this one working too :) Jan 23 00:08:49 marchelly: EFIGS = English, French, Italian, German, Spanish - e.g. international version of the firmware Jan 23 00:09:13 marchelly: search on webos-internals.org and webOSNation.com Jan 23 00:09:34 there is an article on Pre 3 impersonation - use the same technique for Veer impersonation Jan 23 00:09:59 ok, I see, thanks. I'm starting reading this. Jan 23 00:12:37 marchelly: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions has links to both versions Jan 23 00:13:01 you could compare the rootfs from those unpacked doctors to determine where the additional language files are stored Jan 23 00:14:20 To compile a plugin using libjpeg, do I need to add anything more than -ljpeg to the gcc command? Jan 23 00:14:47 I'm getting "undefined reference to `jpeg_std_error(jpeg_error_mgr*)" Jan 23 00:15:12 rwatkins, this is good idea, I'll compare rootfs and diff files to understand what is the difference. Jan 23 00:18:33 Do I need to add some other flag to use libjpeg as a shared lib? Jan 23 00:27:06 anyone happen to know what line 6034 of enyo is on a 3.0.5 device? my local copy doesn't appear to match my device, and my device is rebooting heh Jan 23 00:29:25 hmm. it's setWindowParams .. wth would be app be sending it a error object.. weird Jan 23 00:38:47 hmm. closing a window converts any references to it from a DOMWindow object to an Error object. how does one tell if something is a DOMWindow or an Error.. hmm.. Jan 23 00:42:16 ah, can check name property. yay. Jan 23 00:50:02 DougReeder: -L/dir/with/libjpeg.so if it's not in a system dir Jan 23 01:23:22 * halfhalo yawns Jan 23 02:21:31 how do i get my Pre2 into USB mode if i dismissed the notification for it? Jan 23 02:23:04 replug it in Jan 23 02:34:54 first you wonder, next you say "wait, really?", then you go "you can't be serious" and then last you just replug it Jan 23 02:35:14 that's silly Jan 23 02:35:33 i didn't -want- to replug it. oh well. Jan 23 02:39:16 I have less of a problem with that since "charge by default" Jan 23 02:40:26 i intentionally cleared the dashboard so i could screenshot Jan 23 02:51:20 hmm i can make cool machine gun sounds with html5 audio, some loops, and a completely unintended result Jan 23 02:51:56 June 6, 2012... will webOS be ready? Jan 23 02:53:26 for? Jan 23 02:54:25 you know, 6/6/12 Jan 23 02:55:21 the most important day EVER Jan 23 02:56:15 it's pretty important. because 12 / 2 == 6, and, you know, 6 + 6 == 12. Jan 23 02:56:18 o_O Jan 23 02:56:55 whoa, wait, really? Jan 23 02:57:13 you've boggled my mind, sir. Jan 23 02:57:47 http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ Jan 23 02:59:21 6/6 is two terms. 12 divided by 6/6 is 2, and 12/2 is 6. the sixth month of the year is june, which has four letters. 12 divided by 4 is 3, and strangly, that, too is divisible by 6 evenly. how many times? Exactly Twice. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 23 02:59:57 2012