**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 25 02:59:56 2012 Jan 25 07:34:18 busy busy busy Jan 25 07:58:09 hey..in enyo..i have initially rendered my main.js and onload funct()..now i want to call another func. through my onload() Jan 25 07:58:28 and that func is in another file how do i do this? Jan 25 08:07:28 hey..i have rendered my main.js in enyo.. Jan 25 08:08:03 and have loaded onload funct()..now thru onload() i want to calll another func that is in othe file.js Jan 25 08:08:09 how can i do? Jan 25 08:19:50 dmp__: just make sure the file is loaded in depends.js and you should be able to access the functions/objects in it Jan 25 08:21:40 yps i have done..like this.myfunc() would work? Jan 25 08:22:00 my func() is in othe file.js Jan 25 08:22:10 no, it would be myfunc() Jan 25 08:22:30 just "myfunc()" Jan 25 08:22:32 ? Jan 25 08:22:35 sounds like it Jan 25 08:23:03 and if the myfunc() is in the same file then Jan 25 08:23:11 this.myfunc() ? right Jan 25 08:23:36 generally speaking, yeah....there are intricacies involved Jan 25 08:25:03 fine..thnx. Jan 25 08:25:25 I guess thats one way of describing "this" in javascript .. Jan 25 08:25:41 ohk. Jan 25 08:26:01 it's late, I could do a lot more damage :P Jan 25 08:26:05 ha Jan 25 08:26:21 hello Jan 25 08:26:39 and Im a couple timezones ahead of you too Jan 25 08:26:55 have somebody any experience with enyo webview on 2.2.4 ? Jan 25 08:27:05 rwatkins: what tz? Jan 25 08:27:14 EST Jan 25 08:27:22 ah, you're 1 up on me Jan 25 08:27:44 trying to get a production build ready for tomorrow. Jan 25 08:28:01 CRACK THAT WHIP!! Jan 25 08:28:31 they later it gets the more complicated apk building and signing seems to become. Jan 25 08:28:55 never tried it myself...sounds complicated Jan 25 08:29:06 I like easy :) Jan 25 08:29:23 ya, like webos where you .. just dont have to sign your own apps Jan 25 08:29:32 yeah! Jan 25 08:30:38 panel: I recall something about webview for enyo not getting fully ported to 2.x Jan 25 08:30:49 search the dev forums. Jan 25 08:31:20 I'm futzing around with a wordpress install to check out how that is...seems like if I put it in a subdir, it can't load images properly but if it's my doc root, they're fine :/ Jan 25 08:32:20 never installed wordpress myself Jan 25 08:33:03 my wife wants to start a blog and Drupal is a bit much for her, I think Jan 25 08:37:50 ya, I just setup hosted wordpress.com accnts Jan 25 08:57:18 weird...if I change the subdir from wordpress to something else, the images load :/ Jan 25 08:57:26 anyone have pre3? Jan 25 08:57:27 oh well, it's bed time Jan 25 08:57:36 pros/cons? Jan 25 09:19:51 flol, i typoed the NAME OF MY APP on submission Jan 25 09:19:55 and now it's approved Jan 25 09:59:06 what app, EricBlade? Jan 25 16:13:21 hey all Jan 25 16:13:33 cwayne, you around? Jan 25 16:13:45 PatrickC: whats up? Jan 25 16:13:55 ill PM you Jan 25 16:54:26 anyone see the tweet from blackberry to webOS devs? Jan 25 16:55:34 https://twitter.com/#!/BlackBerryDev/status/162207602728632321 Jan 25 16:59:04 PatrickC, that's hilarious Jan 25 16:59:29 im honestly considering it.. maybe.. Jan 25 17:01:04 nobody still uses blackberry Jan 25 17:01:09 BB isn't doing so well at the moment Jan 25 17:02:36 their idea of extended shelf life is like going from old milk to an opened pack of cold cuts Jan 25 17:03:08 at least with the milk you can make cheese (yeah yeah... huge stretch but I had to work the open sourcing of webOS in somehow) Jan 25 17:05:09 lol Jan 25 17:05:17 cwayne, blackberry has nice, durable phones Jan 25 17:05:22 they just dont have the best OS yet... Jan 25 17:05:32 even though they are passed OS 7..... Jan 25 17:05:33 "yet"? They haven't had the best OS for years Jan 25 17:05:51 theyre gonezo in the next couple years Jan 25 17:06:16 (to be fair, people said that about webOS) Jan 25 17:06:21 cwayne, be that as it may, a lot of people still use them cause thats what their corporate phone is. Jan 25 17:06:47 even that's changing, I believe Jan 25 17:07:14 although maybe slower than it should Jan 25 17:07:33 I've been noticing more stories lately about android being approved in different security sensitive environments Jan 25 17:07:51 that will suck away BB's user base Jan 25 17:08:03 i had a blackberry for about a month *shudders* it wasnt actually all /that/ bad Jan 25 17:09:42 for anyone in the greater nashville area (or if you just want to come :) )http://www.meetup.com/HPwebOS/Nashville-TN/562842/ Jan 25 17:13:29 summatusmentis, nice comment to @BlackberryDev haha Jan 25 18:07:01 yay, electricity is good! Jan 25 18:16:36 sugardave, yes, yes it is. Jan 25 18:17:24 sugardave, I was out 4 days though Jan 25 18:17:41 ouch...I think we were only out for 4 hours Jan 25 18:17:48 and atts towers were down because of it too Jan 25 18:18:18 lameness...that was one thing is that I got to use the mobile hotspot for a bit while my wife looked on jealously Jan 25 18:18:24 lol Jan 25 18:26:05 hmm.. now to figure out why this wont work... Jan 25 18:26:24 http://pastebin.com/bmMvbcM1 [20120125-12:21:53.630950] error: Uncaught ReferenceError: cmdCopyLinkUrl is not defined, app/assistants/toasters/tweet.js:273 Jan 25 18:27:45 is it because cmdCopyLinkUrl isn't a defined function? Jan 25 18:27:55 oh, wait Jan 25 18:27:57 I can't read Jan 25 18:28:05 its a command though.. so shouldnt it try and look at the command param and compare? Jan 25 18:28:22 it works perfectly in the switch/case so why wouldnt it work in the if/else? Jan 25 18:28:40 is command a string? Jan 25 18:28:54 not sure. it is a param passed to the function Jan 25 18:29:12 no Jan 25 18:29:14 no no no Jan 25 18:29:41 passed from things like this http://pastebin.com/vYLeTpEM Jan 25 18:29:43 PatrickC: is it the loops you have just learned? Jan 25 18:29:58 === apparently checks same type, and value Jan 25 18:30:00 hotdp, no, if/else. no need for loops in this part :) Jan 25 18:30:09 in the code, cmdCopyLinkUrl is a variable Jan 25 18:30:13 you want a string Jan 25 18:30:16 ah Jan 25 18:30:21 yeah Jan 25 18:30:23 that Jan 25 18:30:29 put quotes around it Jan 25 18:32:09 ok, well the error is gone.. but it isnt calling this.copyLinkUrl(url); now... Jan 25 18:32:23 then your check isn't evaluating properly Jan 25 18:33:09 then lets throw a log command into the if statement.. Jan 25 18:34:11 no it isnt Jan 25 18:34:54 did you use single or double quotes? Jan 25 18:34:58 single Jan 25 18:35:03 probably should have used double Jan 25 18:35:07 * sugardave laughs and laughs. Jan 25 18:35:11 I'm not certain it matters Jan 25 18:35:19 also, I'm completely the wrong person to be helping you debug Jan 25 18:35:25 given that I know absolutely nothing about js Jan 25 18:35:42 you obviously know more then me :P Jan 25 18:35:46 sugardave, no comment.. lol Jan 25 18:36:16 js doesn't care which you use Jan 25 18:36:37 then why were you laughing? Jan 25 18:36:44 hahahahahaaha Jan 25 18:37:23 because shit is funny, man Jan 25 18:38:59 loops make the world go round! Jan 25 18:40:35 shit is funny, man Jan 25 18:40:47 I know, right? Jan 25 18:46:21 lulz Jan 25 18:49:53 i will get this working. if its the last thing i do lol Jan 25 18:58:03 would jslint catch that sort of thing? Jan 25 18:58:22 hmm, maybe...I never use it :O Jan 25 18:58:25 i hate using jslint Jan 25 18:59:20 it should be telling you things that are wrong though Jan 25 18:59:42 like "oh, this variable name was never defined, are you sure this is right?" Jan 25 18:59:45 jslint is awesome Jan 25 18:59:47 it also complains about things that dont need fixing Jan 25 19:00:08 PatrickC: It can give you warnings yes? Jan 25 19:00:16 Like if you use == insteed of === Jan 25 19:00:21 things that aren't wrong, or things that don't --need-- fixing Jan 25 19:00:40 I belive if you write your js correct it will not complain Jan 25 19:01:31 hotdp, because we use things like Mojo. ... and that isnt standard JS it complains about those a lot Jan 25 19:01:53 Things like Mojo :o Jan 25 19:01:58 Never heard about that.. Jan 25 19:02:11 ummm, Mojo is javascript Jan 25 19:02:18 damn Jan 25 19:06:46 sugardave, but when i use things like Mojo.Log.error(); jslint whines cause Mojo isnt defined in the file itself Jan 25 19:07:58 so, you know, ignore those complaints Jan 25 19:08:22 summatusmentis, sometimes it stops scanning the file totally cause of things like tha Jan 25 19:08:23 that8 Jan 25 19:08:26 that** Jan 25 19:08:43 surely you can teach jslint about where to find Mojo Jan 25 19:08:57 no clue how.. Jan 25 19:08:58 or other libraries Jan 25 19:09:54 Yer Jan 25 19:10:14 If Mojo is included it should give any error Jan 25 19:10:15 s Jan 25 19:11:35 bbl, lunch time Jan 25 19:12:44 hello! Jan 25 19:13:25 Mojn Jan 25 19:16:35 havent been here in a while Jan 25 19:32:06 woot! Jan 25 19:32:21 http://enyojs.com/ Jan 25 19:32:56 I was just gonna mention that Jan 25 19:33:00 same Jan 25 19:33:11 hey, check http://forums.enyojs.com too Jan 25 19:33:18 oh holy shit, it's cross-browser now Jan 25 19:33:48 woo hoo! Jan 25 19:33:56 summatusmentis: si Jan 25 19:34:07 and Ares2 is planned :) Jan 25 19:34:25 I can't handle this, and I don't even use enyo ;) Jan 25 19:34:33 haha Jan 25 19:35:01 lol Jan 25 19:36:00 excellent, a roadmap too Jan 25 19:36:16 https://market.android.com/details?id=net.ryanwatkins.app.papermache Jan 25 19:36:18 I guess Sencha Touch 2 just got competition Jan 25 19:36:37 rwatkins: woo! congrats! Jan 25 19:37:30 rwatkins: "as soon as it goes public" huh? Jan 25 19:38:07 AND HP commited to a timeframe for open-source webOS Jan 25 19:38:36 summatusmentis: hm? Jan 25 19:39:09 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2012/120125a.html Jan 25 19:39:32 and http://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/01/welcome-to-webos-open-source/ Jan 25 19:40:03 Yup ;) Jan 25 19:40:16 "chief technology officer and head of technical strategy for the open webOS project" <- does this fit on a business card? Jan 25 19:40:22 hmm oh dam Jan 25 19:41:01 The logo is cool Jan 25 19:41:05 but yay! webos! Jan 25 19:41:28 so we can now put enyo apps everywhere Jan 25 19:41:58 ooo la la new logo Jan 25 19:43:17 Anyone testet it on Android Jan 25 19:43:19 ? Jan 25 19:43:34 https://twitter.com/#!/EnyoJS/status/162258336379703296 Jan 25 19:44:38 WHOA why didn't ya'all blow up my message box here Jan 25 19:44:47 or did this just happen like a minute ago Jan 25 19:44:56 like a minute ago Jan 25 19:45:00 1130 pst or so Jan 25 19:45:04 oh, ok Jan 25 19:45:08 I miean, slightly more, but it's new Jan 25 19:45:09 i just happened to load the dev site, and BAM Jan 25 19:45:10 11:30pst exactly in fact ;) Jan 25 19:45:48 ya like a minute ago Jan 25 19:45:49 lol Jan 25 19:46:01 the Verge must have gotten a heads up. Their post was published exactly at 11:30 Jan 25 19:46:02 or, like rod said about 15 min ago Jan 25 19:46:34 akanster: for situations like this, news outlets get an embargoed heads-up Jan 25 19:46:47 ah, good to know Jan 25 19:46:49 they will release their version of webkit, as well! Jan 25 19:46:52 So I think thats *first!* for an Enyo app to the Android market. :) Jan 25 19:47:02 rwatkins: got a link? Jan 25 19:47:04 Damn! Jan 25 19:47:13 https://market.android.com/details?id=net.ryanwatkins.app.papermache Jan 25 19:47:31 wtg rwatkins ;) Jan 25 19:47:34 rwatkins: have you testet on non android tablets? Jan 25 19:47:59 I've tested it on Android phones and TouchPad running Android 2.2 and 4.0 Jan 25 19:48:07 rwatkins: so you had this built and your finger was just hovering over the submit button? Jan 25 19:48:18 akanster: indeed Jan 25 19:48:21 heh Jan 25 19:48:21 damn rwatkins. that is built on 1.0, right? Jan 25 19:48:31 publish for Android market is literally up in 60 seconds after publish. Jan 25 19:48:45 rwatkins: how did the lists perform? Jan 25 19:48:46 ya, 1.0 so far. Jan 25 19:49:28 Anyone know of a way to make it so that my Pre2 has sounds on for calendar and phone, and sound off for email and messaging? Jan 25 19:49:48 mm.. the samples work in Opera Jan 25 19:50:00 ... sort of Jan 25 19:51:32 woot! thx rwhitby Jan 25 19:51:33 http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/894688/open-webos-milestones.jpg - in the coming months :) Jan 25 19:52:35 cool, webos for phones is on the list Jan 25 19:53:35 :D Jan 25 19:53:45 enyojs.com Jan 25 19:54:17 wow i missed that! Jan 25 19:54:29 phones ... omg 3.0 on phones is now a reality Jan 25 19:54:31 well Jan 25 19:54:31 you are kidding me! Jan 25 19:54:37 will be Jan 25 19:55:13 heh, I'm expecting another heartfelt precentral post from Derek soon. Jan 25 19:55:14 rwatkins: that was really fast Jan 25 19:55:22 https://t.co/wTnmsK2C Jan 25 19:55:40 thats what ya get when you build your app with cross platform technolgies from the start. Jan 25 19:56:16 rwatkins: well it wasn't cross platform when we started out :) Jan 25 19:56:40 at least not licensed as such Jan 25 19:56:46 html/css/js is inherently cross platform. Jan 25 19:57:05 not licensed, but thats not a development time issue. Jan 25 19:57:35 http://forums.enyojs.com/ Jan 25 19:57:57 rwatkins: right, but it was webkit focused through --webkit attributes no? Jan 25 19:58:30 webkit is cross platform ... Jan 25 19:59:07 but a browser like firefox isn't webkit Jan 25 19:59:24 Hmmm Jan 25 19:59:24 cross platform doesnt have to mean any platform Jan 25 19:59:36 oil: where do you see webOS for phones on the list? Jan 25 19:59:38 i think all of my html5 apps from now on will be written with enyo in mind Jan 25 19:59:38 YEAH!!!!!!!!!! Jan 25 20:00:22 my new idea for a game that i had? well, it looks like it's gonna get written in enyo Jan 25 20:00:39 summatusmentis: at the end they say open webos 1 Jan 25 20:00:51 oil: they say Open webOS 1.0 Jan 25 20:00:59 I assume Open webOS is something new Jan 25 20:01:06 https://twitter.com/#!/EnyoJS/statuses/162263431553089536 Jan 25 20:01:09 ah, probably, i didn't interpret it like that Jan 25 20:01:16 but im still hoping its not 3.x branch only Jan 25 20:01:18 lol all the activity in this forum Jan 25 20:01:42 even if it is 3.x branch only, is it really that difficult to optimize for a phone form-factor? Jan 25 20:01:48 * PatrickC is sooo happy Jan 25 20:02:38 I guess I should actually learn enyo now Jan 25 20:02:52 heh Jan 25 20:03:01 I wonder what "javascript core" means Jan 25 20:03:29 damn! i kinda want to reamke parts of my game to incorporate enyo, but that's just redundant -.- Jan 25 20:03:54 k i ihave to read for school then i start new enyo project wee Jan 25 20:04:02 ttyl guys i got to try to not be so distracted Jan 25 20:04:20 I wish I had time to reverse engineer the Google Music api Jan 25 20:04:47 I wish I had time to rebuild Project Macaw in enyo.. Jan 25 20:05:02 summatusmentis, probably part of their webkit Jan 25 20:05:04 Horses! Jan 25 20:05:07 PatrickC: at your current understanding, that'd take you YEARS Jan 25 20:05:09 :-P Jan 25 20:05:15 haha Jan 25 20:05:18 I'm good at UI Jan 25 20:05:23 wrea: that's a good point Jan 25 20:05:27 I would leave the core to the other guys :) Jan 25 20:05:41 but that's the fun part! Jan 25 20:05:53 the ui doesn't have if statements xD Jan 25 20:06:00 :-P Jan 25 20:06:15 mine does! Jan 25 20:06:22 lol Jan 25 20:06:31 wow, my first 2nd ever post to Hacker News and iuts currently the top entry. Jan 25 20:06:57 rwatkins: you write for Backer news? Jan 25 20:07:03 Hacker** Jan 25 20:07:06 ... Jan 25 20:07:11 how does phonegap work? Jan 25 20:07:15 is it just a webview? Jan 25 20:07:21 yer Jan 25 20:07:23 rwatkins: karma whore! Jan 25 20:07:24 its a wrapper Jan 25 20:07:25 ;) Jan 25 20:07:42 akanster: ;) Jan 25 20:07:50 hotdp: right, but like, if it's on iOS, it's just gonna be a webview right? it doesn't translate into native widgets? Jan 25 20:07:57 PatrickC: anyone can 'write' for hacker news. Jan 25 20:08:13 summatusmentis: native widgets on ios? Jan 25 20:08:13 I thought it was just a regular blog Jan 25 20:08:23 hotdp: "widgets" here meaning the UI mechanisms Jan 25 20:08:29 I use phonegap daily for Adnroid and iOS Jan 25 20:09:22 I have not found limitations yet Jan 25 20:09:39 what I'm asking, ultimately, is this: if I made a "back button" in phonegap, does it map the the native back button in android, and create the top bar with a back button in iOS? or is it a webview pane, with the html app running inside? Jan 25 20:10:15 I see Jan 25 20:10:28 Not its not "mapping" the back button Jan 25 20:10:32 a phonegap app is a native app where some or all of what you see on the screen can actually be a webview of local html/js/css files Jan 25 20:10:48 But is you use hash tags ect. it will go back just like a native app Jan 25 20:10:59 so you can make your own 'back' buttons, or you can capture the event of the hardware back button and do whatever you want. Jan 25 20:11:07 yer Jan 25 20:11:32 so all the controls are html/js/css, wrapped in the webview (which can deal with hardware back buttons, if desired) Jan 25 20:11:32 but if you use st mvc the routing will work out of the box with pg Jan 25 20:11:52 summatusmentis: that is a posibility Jan 25 20:11:54 rather than "native" on all platforms Jan 25 20:12:00 the *can* be all html/css/js. but you can also write plugins to render it native too Jan 25 20:12:08 yer Jan 25 20:12:11 oh, how do the plugins work? Jan 25 20:12:16 hehe Jan 25 20:12:20 the phonegap website is totally not clear Jan 25 20:12:35 you can write your own plugin Jan 25 20:12:43 or use other peoples plugins Jan 25 20:13:05 but things like camera, events ect. is all included without the need for plugins Jan 25 20:13:07 'phonegap' it just an app template to host a web view. if you want that simple 'host' to do more native stuff you use existing plugins or jsut extend it to do wahtever you want Jan 25 20:13:30 what does "just extend" mean? Jan 25 20:14:21 'extend' can be rewrite their default Obj-C / Java code to do more stuff. or write a similar native code plugin. Jan 25 20:14:32 phonegap on iOS is just a bunch of ObjC code wrappign a webview. Jan 25 20:14:46 phonegap on Android is just a bunch of Java code wrapping a webview. Jan 25 20:14:56 you get the pattern for all other phonegap platforms. Jan 25 20:14:58 right, ok Jan 25 20:15:33 i love my new chumby. it arrived yesterday. Jan 25 20:15:37 so, if I wanted "native" look and feel, there would need to be pretty extensive "shim development" Jan 25 20:15:48 rwatkins: and you can take current Enyo code and use phonegap with it, correct? Jan 25 20:15:59 or write html controls that looked pretty damn close to native ones. thats what Sencha Touch did. Jan 25 20:16:03 PatrickC: yes. Jan 25 20:16:19 * PatrickC is going to start on the Enyo Project Macaw soon Jan 25 20:16:34 rwatkins: awesome! Jan 25 20:18:32 interesting. the reason I ask is because I'm ultimately wondering what phonegap+enyo would end up looking like Jan 25 20:19:48 as exciting as this is, I'm gonna have to wait for UI controls in v2 to touch this Jan 25 20:19:52 it can look like anything you want. mine looks like this :https://market.android.com/details?id=net.ryanwatkins.app.papermache Jan 25 20:20:40 rwatkins: that's "basic enyo" look 'n feel Jan 25 20:20:49 rwatkins: have you known this was going to happen? Jan 25 20:21:05 PatrickC: everyone has known this was going to happen Jan 25 20:21:10 it was announced months ago Jan 25 20:21:13 I mean like when Jan 25 20:21:17 ^ this Jan 25 20:21:21 too late Jan 25 20:21:22 as his app is already available.. Jan 25 20:22:29 he had enyo, he had his app, all he needed was the ability to legally publish to other places Jan 25 20:22:30 last year they said they'd open source it all and clearly Enyo was coming first. Jan 25 20:23:06 Summatusmentis: but its already in the market.. how would it happen that fast if he didn't have prior knowledge? Jan 25 20:23:14 build, publish Jan 25 20:23:17 boom Jan 25 20:23:27 or perhaps, just publish Jan 25 20:23:43 android doesn't have a "waiting" period? Jan 25 20:23:46 "build" took ~5 days, but essentially that. Jan 25 20:23:54 no, waiting period was ~30 seconds. Jan 25 20:24:11 rwatkins: so what happens if you hit the "menu" button on android in paper mache, as an example? Jan 25 20:24:11 you'll note there are no iOS apps in market today Jan 25 20:24:23 OR ARE THERE?!?!?! Jan 25 20:24:25 summatusmentis: I capture the event and call appMenu.open(); Jan 25 20:24:31 Summatusmentis: popup in the upper left-hand corner Jan 25 20:25:03 though with 4.0 there is nolonger an os level menu button. Jan 25 20:25:15 only for pre-4.0 android apps. Jan 25 20:25:15 I suppose that's true Jan 25 20:25:55 alright, I'm having some trouble conceptualizing this, but that's ok. Jan 25 20:26:16 i can also capture the 'search' button and run search in my app Jan 25 20:26:25 or capture the 'back' button and make my slider slide back one view. Jan 25 20:26:42 or I can leave the events alone and let the os do its thing. Jan 25 20:26:57 much like .. any other android app. Jan 25 20:27:00 rwatkins: and if you publish to iOS, this just all runs in a webview, and the slider panes work the way you'd expect Jan 25 20:27:42 summatusmentis: indeed. Jan 25 20:27:53 though I've written and Instapaper app, so fairly pointless to publish to iOS. Jan 25 20:27:54 I think my question really boils down to "how does phonegap handle the native platform paradigms", and the answer seems to be "it doesn't, on it's own" Jan 25 20:28:06 basically yes. Jan 25 20:28:17 ok, interesting Jan 25 20:28:25 why pointless to publish to iOS? Jan 25 20:28:30 much like any game on those platforms - they take the whole screen as a canvas and party on. Jan 25 20:28:32 because they have Read It Later, or whatever? Jan 25 20:28:38 right, ok Jan 25 20:29:12 because Instapaper is an iOS (only) app already. Jan 25 20:29:20 oooh Jan 25 20:29:33 I wrote "Instapaper for other platforms" Jan 25 20:29:38 right Jan 25 20:29:55 * summatusmentis ponders the implications of this for our research project Jan 25 20:32:22 * PatrickC wonders if we should go ahead and register #enyojs Jan 25 20:33:21 "we" ? Jan 25 20:34:02 what does "register" mean? Jan 25 20:34:11 oh, the channel Jan 25 20:34:56 dwc-: as in the community Jan 25 20:35:30 who is "the community" Jan 25 20:36:51 the ones in this channel Jan 25 20:37:02 just like dkirker registered this channel Jan 25 20:37:03 all 127 of us? Jan 25 20:38:14 if you (personally) have no claim (or represent nobody who does) to the name, you probably shouldn't 'own' the channel Jan 25 20:39:12 I wasn't saying I was gonna register the channel, jet wondering if someone would soon :) Jan 25 20:39:47 there's plenty more important things to worry about than channel ownership on one particular IRC network Jan 25 20:40:24 wasn't dkirker a palm employee? Jan 25 20:40:29 dkirker registered this channel when he was interning for Palm Jan 25 20:40:32 contractor I believe Jan 25 20:40:41 and for all you know, they might want #enyo.js Jan 25 20:40:51 dwc-: true Jan 25 20:40:56 (so now I'm sure you're going to /join and +s that one too) Jan 25 20:41:20 sugardave: ah, didn't know he was interning at that time Jan 25 20:41:26 indeed Jan 25 20:41:49 I dunno about palm's policies, but I know HP's policies used to make interns Employees rather than Contractors Jan 25 20:41:54 dwc-: sugardave told me I should probably leave it up to an employee. so that's what I'm gonna do Jan 25 20:42:37 rwatkins: paper mache doesn't work on Droid Charge Jan 25 20:43:01 PatrickC: What OS version? What screen resolution? Jan 25 20:43:08 getting that info Jan 25 20:43:18 (a friend of mine wanted to see Enyo on Android) Jan 25 20:43:41 should work. 2.2 480x800 Jan 25 20:44:01 2.3.6 and he's checking on the resolution Jan 25 20:44:10 its 480x800 Jan 25 20:44:22 ok Jan 25 20:44:30 it should "just work" but if someone wants to ship me one of every different android device, I'll test each and every one. Jan 25 20:44:37 he says he sees the launching icon but it sits at the grey screen Jan 25 20:44:49 rwatkins: lol Jan 25 20:44:55 just letting you know lol Jan 25 20:45:04 thx Jan 25 20:45:20 will check into it, but clearly .. been a bit busy the last few days. Jan 25 20:46:05 yeah Jan 25 20:46:09 Adora rox Jan 25 20:46:16 summatusmentis: it looks like if we want to making some kind of multi-platform thing, we'll have to figure that one out on our own, might be beneficial Jan 25 20:46:17 \o/ Jan 25 20:46:23 i agree the phonegap site is not clear Jan 25 20:46:24 woot. :) Jan 25 20:46:31 Adora: \o/ ^5 Jan 25 20:46:32 GO-GO-GADGET GOODNEWS! Jan 25 20:46:44 Adora: did this just for us :) Jan 25 20:47:04 hey Adora Jan 25 20:47:07 published in webOS App Cat one day, then Android Market the next. :) Jan 25 20:47:18 heya rwhitby Jan 25 20:47:33 EricBlade: indeed, I just wish the phonegap site made that more obvious Jan 25 20:47:37 yay adora is here Jan 25 20:47:40 Adora: wish you guys would choose the afternoon for press releases. 11:30 there is 6am here Jan 25 20:47:40 rwatkins: he said that he is willing to help test if you need Jan 25 20:47:41 \o/ Jan 25 20:48:03 they claim "write once work everywhere", except if "everywhere" means something that isn't "web technology" Jan 25 20:48:10 rwhitby: sorry <3 <3 <3 Jan 25 20:48:13 * Adora brings you tea Jan 25 20:48:15 PatrickC: thx. email me contact info to followup? Jan 25 20:48:24 rwatkins: not sure I have your email Jan 25 20:48:31 ryan@ryanwatkins.net Jan 25 20:48:41 ok Jan 25 20:49:46 that reminds me i still need to setup a mail server on ericbla.de Jan 25 20:55:52 you already should be getting mail for that Jan 25 20:56:28 but having your mail locally is useful Jan 25 20:57:21 :) Jan 25 20:57:28 hp makes me smile :) Jan 25 20:58:51 holy crap Jan 25 20:58:56 did you guys see this? YOUTUBE?! Jan 25 20:59:09 fxspec06: yeah man, it's been around for like 5 years Jan 25 20:59:16 THERE'S A YOUTUBE APP IN THE SOURCE Jan 25 20:59:19 now i assume you're talking about a specific video, i would like a link :) Jan 25 20:59:28 oh whot Jan 25 20:59:28 enyo-2.0b/support/apps/youtube! Jan 25 21:00:01 wat?? Jan 25 21:00:03 fxspec06: link me to the download of the page if you quickly can (sorry, i'm all fuzzy due to the news and have had seconds to respond) Jan 25 21:00:27 https://github.com/downloads/enyojs/enyo/enyo-2.0b.zip Jan 25 21:00:46 is it a folder? Jan 25 21:01:15 fxspec06: it's not the full app Jan 25 21:01:19 I think it's just a search app Jan 25 21:01:21 ugh yeah Jan 25 21:01:26 but still -- Jan 25 21:01:28 https://github.com/enyojs/support/tree/master/apps Jan 25 21:01:36 it's one of the "sample apps" Jan 25 21:01:40 oh wait, i didn't understand that 2.0 was open source already Jan 25 21:01:43 * madnificent goes wack Jan 25 21:01:53 parts of it are Jan 25 21:02:00 iirc, UI widgets aren't yet Jan 25 21:02:00 i didn't realize it didn't work Jan 25 21:02:07 still though Jan 25 21:03:00 hmm k so just include the enyo folder and reference enyo.js and i'm good to go? anyone get started w/ enyo 2.0 yet Jan 25 21:03:04 dwc-: i need to actually sit down and explore if i'm provided mail services for free on my dns, i doubt it .. it's just basic dns, and i host it Jan 25 21:03:07 ya, killer UI item is the sliding panes with multiview. will be interesting to get that fully cross platform. Jan 25 21:03:27 yes, that's what's so great Jan 25 21:04:03 the views all seem to work pretty well, i just hope we can replace Lists and Scrollers with something that works better on every platform Jan 25 21:04:24 fxspec06: enyo.YouTube.foo there's some youtube support at least Jan 25 21:05:01 cool cool Jan 25 21:05:12 what about appinfo.json? any of that necessary? Jan 25 21:05:12 is there a video about the nice features of enyo 2.0? i might be able to convince my partner into using it for our frontend (to some extent) Jan 25 21:05:57 there is no front end to enyo 2.0 yet. Jan 25 21:06:02 so video .. fairly pointless. Jan 25 21:06:21 i guess need to add a package.js file and call enyo.depends(); Jan 25 21:06:25 rwatkins: could've been a slideshow :) Jan 25 21:06:26 EricBlade: well, your DNS has MX records Jan 25 21:06:35 so I assume it's going somewhere if they set it up by default for you Jan 25 21:06:45 and then reference that in script Jan 25 21:09:23 fxspec06: why not just use depends.js? Jan 25 21:10:21 i can call it anything i want patrickc, i still need to script it Jan 25 21:10:24 in index Jan 25 21:13:03 has anyone heard anything about NuttyPad? Jan 25 21:20:55 summatusmentis: I can talk to NuttyBunny Jan 25 21:24:15 hmm so enyo 2.0 does not have support for specific kinds .. Jan 25 21:24:16 ? Jan 25 21:24:22 or am i just .. missing something here Jan 25 21:25:53 fxspec06: only the core, like Object, Component, UiComponent, and Control (plus maybe a few kinds) is available right now Jan 25 21:26:28 hmm okay Jan 25 21:26:33 SlidingPanes! I want SlidingPanes! :) Jan 25 21:26:39 yeah, please lol Jan 25 21:26:55 I imagine some ui widgets will be coming Jan 25 21:26:57 the new docs look coolbeans Jan 25 21:28:40 where was the link to the new roadmap? Jan 25 21:31:10 fxspec06: in the press release Jan 25 21:31:31 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2012/120125a.html Jan 25 21:31:50 * rwhitby wonders why people never read the press release, given that it's the only source of official information about the subject at hand Jan 25 21:32:27 makes it harder wehn blogs/news sites don't want to link directly to it... Jan 25 21:34:17 yeah, the classic "get your second-hand information here, so we can get advertising clicks" Jan 25 21:34:37 hm so if i wanted to begin work on a new project, best way to do so would be to make 1.0 and 2.0 folder and just link to 1.0 folder for now Jan 25 21:39:34 but why wouldn't they link to the first-hand information? otherwwise you just leave and go to competitor's sites? Jan 25 21:42:13 they get ad views from traffic coming from google searches on a "hot" subject, they don't care about actual content after getting the initial view Jan 25 21:42:47 the goal isn't to provide great content to keep you around, it's to trick you into going there in the first place.... Jan 25 21:43:31 I'm totally adding Pirate Pigs to my launcher Jan 25 21:47:09 yayayaya Jan 25 21:52:32 wait, so can you use enyo 2 core with enyo 1 ui? Jan 25 21:54:09 hmm i have not tried tib. i'm just using the enyo 1 ui for now Jan 25 21:54:15 until the enyo 2 ui is released Jan 25 22:38:00 sugardave, totally can get wterm into fullscreen in dock mode Jan 25 22:38:10 sweet :) Jan 25 22:38:11 so... so much for rules that say you cant ;) Jan 25 22:38:15 haha Jan 25 22:44:13 sugardave, i have a question about dock mode behavior though Jan 25 22:44:59 I've done a little bit with it, but mostly just from a "can I make it work" standpoint Jan 25 22:45:19 ok, nm Jan 25 22:49:00 how is it that the clock app appinfo doesnt set dockmode Jan 25 22:56:45 Hallo Jan 25 22:57:22 the clock app isn't an exhibition app Jan 25 23:03:21 does anyone know if there is a way to rename the appmenu title programetically Jan 25 23:03:35 i can see it can be set via appinfo but is there anyway to change it from within an app? Jan 25 23:07:30 http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/25/2733074/enyo-cross-platform-apps-hands-on-with-flashcards-and-papermache-on Jan 25 23:19:56 so is enyo analogous to something kike backbone.js? Jan 25 23:19:56 *like Jan 25 23:23:05 At this point, with 2.0, I'd say yes Jan 25 23:23:15 however, once ui comes out in march/april, it will be much more Jan 25 23:36:21 anyone need any help testing any apps? i've got some free time to kill... Jan 25 23:37:25 friends help friends store the body of time after you kill it. Jan 25 23:38:01 hahaha Jan 25 23:38:21 * invalidopcode brb Jan 25 23:43:38 * invalidopcode back Jan 25 23:44:42 do we have a body we need to store now Jan 25 23:45:23 sshhhh.... we don't talk about such things on a pulbic chat room Jan 25 23:45:57 oh right right Jan 25 23:46:52 i'm going to work on my boxcar app again... but if anyone does need/want any help, just ping me **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 25 23:56:08 2012 Jan 26 00:07:55 invalidopcode: woo!! (re: enyo) Jan 26 00:08:22 hahaha hey PatrickC Jan 26 00:08:41 * PatrickC points to #EnyoJS :) Jan 26 00:08:48 right! Jan 26 00:08:51 I got distracted Jan 26 00:08:57 LIES Jan 26 00:09:56 wait..... ! so its open source now????!!! Jan 26 00:10:10 please direct all enyo discussion, other than specific webOS-related stuff, to #EnyoJS Jan 26 00:11:03 * PatrickC waits for /topic update :) Jan 26 00:11:33 we'll be following the same model with https://developer.palm.com/distribution and http://forums.enyojs.com Jan 26 00:12:02 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19582 Jan 26 00:12:34 who has ops in #webOS? I only know of dkirker Jan 26 00:12:41 you do Jan 26 00:12:53 DUNDUN Jan 26 00:12:53 I think rwhitby too Jan 26 00:13:13 oh wait, maybe I asked for ops once Jan 26 00:13:19 in case of emergencies =] Jan 26 00:13:36 lol Jan 26 00:13:41 it seems you have had access for the last 2 years+ Jan 26 00:13:54 hah Jan 26 00:14:08 lol Jan 26 00:14:36 Adora is the best kind of dictator - one that remember they have the power. Jan 26 00:14:37 adora: try /msg chanserv op #webos Jan 26 00:14:46 .. doesn't ... Jan 26 00:16:16 Tadah. http://www.slashgear.com/open-webos-announced-as-hps-open-source-mobile-os-power-move-25210755/ Jan 26 01:10:51 everyone moved to #EnyoJS? Jan 26 01:17:29 Does anyone have this issue where exhibition mode just wont start? even when its on the dock? Jan 26 01:19:14 TheGaussianFunk: yup, #webos is a ghost town now Jan 26 01:19:58 darn Jan 26 01:20:07 I'll have this channel open :D Jan 26 01:20:58 until I need to sleep Jan 26 01:21:02 hahaha Jan 26 01:21:06 which is like now Jan 26 01:21:29 ah Jan 26 01:23:27 puffthemagic: yeah Jan 26 01:24:03 we can talk about preware here? Jan 26 01:24:20 its not the best place but yes Jan 26 01:25:18 TheGaussianFunk: no,its completely forbidden :P Jan 26 01:25:31 though a better place would probably be #webos-internals Jan 26 01:26:07 yep got it thanks Jan 26 01:26:21 ah ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 02:59:57 2012