**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 30 02:59:59 2012 Jan 30 03:55:23 * minego yawns Jan 30 04:03:18 Roy-Pre101, webOS101 down? Jan 30 04:03:43 Roy-Pre101, nvm :) Jan 30 04:03:46 Should be back now Jan 30 04:03:49 ok Jan 30 04:03:53 Dreamhost fell down earlier today. Jan 30 04:04:01 * PatrickC goes back to trying to root his new phone Jan 30 04:04:08 Roy-Pre101, that isnt good... Jan 30 04:04:16 Not, really not. Jan 30 04:11:31 minego: tired or bored? or both? Jan 30 04:12:32 minego, ping Jan 30 04:16:07 PatrickC: yo Jan 30 04:16:15 whats up cwayne Jan 30 04:16:30 PatrickC: you get cinnamon workin? Jan 30 04:16:34 cwayne: you should be proud, i used ubuntu server the other day :P Jan 30 04:16:44 cwayne, yep Jan 30 04:16:46 and loving it Jan 30 04:16:57 almost makes me want to replace windows with it ;) Jan 30 04:17:02 invalidopcode: nice! whatd ya think :) Jan 30 04:17:09 PatrickC: awesome! Jan 30 04:18:32 PatrickC: im glad it worked out for ya, sorry i wasn't more help, not entirely familiar with cinnamon :) Jan 30 04:18:44 na, its fine :) Jan 30 04:18:47 cwayne: haha it was pretty good. i ran it in virtualbox to test Canvas Jan 30 04:18:52 its only crashed once, lol Jan 30 04:19:01 invalidopcode: nice :) Jan 30 04:19:26 yup. worked perfectly Jan 30 04:19:36 * invalidopcode give cwayne a pat on the back Jan 30 04:19:46 invalidopcode: youll also be happy to know that because of that night of me being all ubuntu, webos-internals got in touch with the right people in canonical for help with juju :) Jan 30 04:19:49 lol Jan 30 04:20:01 invalidopcode: high-fivce Jan 30 04:20:03 five even Jan 30 04:20:36 PatrickC: so how are you liking ubuntu in general? Jan 30 04:20:44 cwayne, i love it Jan 30 04:20:46 haha Jan 30 04:20:50 but it cant replace windows for me yet Jan 30 04:20:55 PatrickC: games? Jan 30 04:21:03 na, other things Jan 30 04:21:11 PatrickC: like? Jan 30 04:21:22 invalidopcode: :P Jan 30 04:21:22 Safari/Trillian Jan 30 04:21:30 i cannot get WINE to work for the life of me haha Jan 30 04:21:31 the linux community needs to find some way to attract gamers ;/ Jan 30 04:21:39 whoa.. my hard drive just freed up 100gigs of space Jan 30 04:21:40 PatrickC: do you need safari specifically? Jan 30 04:21:47 i like it over chrome Jan 30 04:21:48 PatrickC: apt-get install wine :P Jan 30 04:21:54 PatrickC: pung Jan 30 04:21:57 invalidopcode, have it installed haha Jan 30 04:21:59 invalidopcode: ive been emailing gaben periodically to offer my help to QA steam Jan 30 04:22:04 minego, now i forget what i was gonna ask u haha Jan 30 04:22:12 PatrickC: dude, thats not a reason to keep windows Jan 30 04:22:21 invalidopcode: well, bringing games to linux didn't do it.. so.. i doubt there's much else that will Jan 30 04:22:30 safari || chrome > safari Jan 30 04:22:33 oh, and my dad doesnt want me too.. minor detail haha Jan 30 04:22:51 EricBlade: a lot more people are than you realize Jan 30 04:23:02 cwayne: yeah... steam runs on Mac so it seems like it shouldn't be that hard to port it to Linux Jan 30 04:23:03 changing the OS on a computer which is not yours is not a good idea Jan 30 04:23:12 rwhitby, it is mine Jan 30 04:23:16 they just dont want me doing it Jan 30 04:23:29 meh, therefore it is not really yours Jan 30 04:24:05 invalidopcode: aye, i feel it would be minimal effor to port it Jan 30 04:24:14 i understand porting games would be different Jan 30 04:24:22 but leave that to the developers :P Jan 30 04:24:43 I wish this was twitter so I could RT what rwhitby just said Jan 30 04:24:53 yep Jan 30 04:25:22 cwayne: yeah, its such a shame... because i try to get some of my tech-savy friends to use linux, but they always go back to Windows so they can play TF2 Jan 30 04:25:36 invalidopcode: actually tf2 works pretty well in wine :) Jan 30 04:25:45 install play on linux. It makes wine much easier Jan 30 04:25:51 but yes, i get the point :) Jan 30 04:25:57 minego: or winetricks Jan 30 04:25:59 does even id support linux anymore? Jan 30 04:26:03 i've shown them all of those Jan 30 04:26:16 play on includes wine tricks Jan 30 04:26:18 minego: there's an IRCRT: ... in twitter ;) Jan 30 04:26:25 but it runs slower than on windows Jan 30 04:26:40 rwhitby: lol Jan 30 04:27:07 invalidopcode: it works well enough :P i played hl2 on wine Jan 30 04:27:08 czhtff Jan 30 04:27:29 That was Gavin's first message on irc Jan 30 04:27:37 cwayne: yeah i think so too... i've played Portal on wine :P Jan 30 04:28:19 and he sent it on my touchpad using wterm, ssh, screen and irssi Jan 30 04:30:44 * cwayne has terrible ISP Jan 30 04:31:46 cwayne: do you use KDE? Jan 30 04:36:30 wterm 0.3.99 just went to audtobuilder Jan 30 04:36:36 alpha feed Jan 30 04:39:47 PuffTheMagic: <3 Jan 30 05:34:38 i wish android was as easy to do sw upgrades as webOS Jan 30 05:41:35 i wish everything was at least as easy as it is on webOS. but then we wouldn't need webOS anymore Jan 30 05:43:42 :/ Jan 30 05:47:29 EricBlade, i have been trying for the past 2 hours just to get the not even latest sw on this phone and still dont have it Jan 30 05:48:45 when i want to update my Android, i just download a CM zip and reboot to ClockworkMod, and tell it to install it, and a few minutes later, i'm upgraded. Jan 30 05:49:03 EricBlade, thing is, the latest "official" update to this one was 2.1 Jan 30 05:49:12 and its a sony, on at&T.. super locked down Jan 30 05:49:20 cant even enable unknown sources without rooting Jan 30 05:50:13 PatrickC: what phone? Jan 30 05:50:23 sony ericsson xperia x10a Jan 30 05:50:55 its a nice little phone (well, not so little lol) Jan 30 05:51:09 but running 2.1, when 4.0.2 is the newest, yeah.. no thank u lol Jan 30 05:51:58 i just plugged in a iPad to a Mac. I feel dirty. Jan 30 05:52:20 EricBlade, how dare u! Jan 30 05:52:37 http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/sony-ericsson-xperia-support Jan 30 05:52:37 why would you be using a Mac? Jan 30 05:52:39 :) Jan 30 05:52:52 invalidopcode, i have to get a recovery on it first ;) Jan 30 05:53:09 EricBlade: why don't you just go buy an iPhone and an iMat while your at it :P Jan 30 05:53:09 and no recovery in their right mind still supports 2.1 Jan 30 05:53:19 iMat? haha Jan 30 05:53:52 PatrickC: because for the most part, iOS development requires a Mac, as far as I know, only Epic has figured out ways around that Jan 30 05:54:09 im just giving u a hard time lol Jan 30 05:54:11 PatrickC: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lv-VHYyKoLs/TZn8RRwr0XI/AAAAAAAAAGY/AxvF0Bq0Hcs/s1600/apple-imat.jpg Jan 30 05:54:12 im getting a mac soon Jan 30 05:54:32 dare i look? Jan 30 05:54:35 :P Jan 30 05:54:45 hahaha Jan 30 05:54:46 invalidopcode: just think how many apps you can have on screen! Jan 30 05:55:02 also, i got dibs on writing the first "Twister" game for iOS Jan 30 05:55:08 EricBlade: hahaha Jan 30 05:55:18 they will market it as an exercise tool Jan 30 05:55:43 i'll market it as "Naked Twister". with screen protectors included. Jan 30 05:56:20 "In-App Purchase additional screen protectors? they will be delivered to you in 7-10 business days, for only $29.99" Jan 30 05:56:33 i may be on to something here Jan 30 05:56:44 or just on something Jan 30 05:57:01 only 29.99? Jan 30 05:57:12 oh! I forgot to get a glass of wine. thanks EricBlade Jan 30 05:57:18 (for reminding me) Jan 30 05:57:21 were talking about an apple product here... at least $70 Jan 30 05:57:33 and for a screen that size, more like $700 Jan 30 05:57:47 considering my touchpad's screen protector was a $30 product Jan 30 05:58:09 lol Jan 30 05:58:17 RagingMind, what brought up wine? haha Jan 30 05:59:00 EricBlade: i paid $17 for my touchpad's but then i sent it in and i got a new touchpad back so i wasted $17 :/ Jan 30 05:59:15 i just dont buy screen protectors lol Jan 30 05:59:24 i can never get all the bubbles out :P Jan 30 05:59:25 invalidopcode, you got the wrong brand of screen protector then Jan 30 05:59:26 yeah i got mine for 20 i think, my dev one has a cheap ass one, and i hate it Jan 30 05:59:45 i love the slightly rubbery feel that the invisible shields give Jan 30 06:00:04 i would like a matt one... Jan 30 06:00:06 matte* Jan 30 06:00:15 a matte iMat Jan 30 06:00:20 WIN Jan 30 06:01:16 RagingMind: why do you say that? Jan 30 06:01:50 skinomi will send you a new screen as long as you have the old one to send back to them (that's the brand I buy) Jan 30 06:02:25 so you could take the screen protector off before sending it back to hp, and get replacements Jan 30 06:02:55 ah i didn't think of that Jan 30 06:03:14 *new screen protector Jan 30 06:04:32 so.... many.... reboots..... Jan 30 06:04:48 hola Roy-Pre101 Jan 30 06:27:11 PatrickC: did you try this? http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/support/mobilephones/learn-more/topic/softwareupdatepcc/xperiax10?cc=gb&lc=en Jan 30 06:27:32 invalidopcode, yeah. AT&T only released up to 2.1 Jan 30 06:27:40 i already talked with an official rep from Sony about it Jan 30 06:27:41 :) Jan 30 06:28:17 haha what did they say? install webos on it? :P Jan 30 06:45:28 invalidopcode, they said that 2.3.3 was not supported on AT&T Jan 30 06:45:42 ah Jan 30 06:45:46 that stinks Jan 30 06:46:14 but its running 2.3.3 now ;0 Jan 30 06:46:16 ;) Jan 30 06:52:47 haha nice :P Jan 30 06:53:20 * invalidopcode is running Archlinux on his touchpad Jan 30 06:53:59 Hi, what is the best Jabber/XMPP client for HP Veer webOS 2.1.2 at this point? Jan 30 07:04:42 i don't think there is one Jan 30 07:08:05 I'll go the way of modifying stock libpurple in that case. Jan 30 07:11:10 Could use the Synergy Messaging Plugins? Jan 30 07:13:09 Could be 2.1.2, but "Find More..." renders nothing Jan 30 07:13:21 Which is consistent with me not having any such applications. =) Jan 30 07:13:28 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-homebrew-apps/278796-synergy-messaging-plugins-webos-2-x.html Jan 30 07:14:16 This looks exactly like was looking for, wrea! Thank you! Jan 30 07:14:31 np Jan 30 07:15:49 yeah unfortunately, 2 years+ and no one has written any messaging plugins. This possibly has to do with the fact that it's NOT DOCUMENTED Jan 30 07:15:54 :( Jan 30 07:16:27 le sigh.. http://ericbla.de/gvoice11.jpg Jan 30 07:17:41 need to put up my veer on the marketplace at webosnation Jan 30 07:45:16 Is there any way to back up my text messages and AIM conversations so I can view them on a computer? Jan 30 08:23:20 wrea: i don't have a veer yet. i could be persuaded. Jan 30 08:25:03 Zemyla: there's not really a built in way to do it, other than possibly some sort of developer mode wizardry, i'm sure it -can- be done though. i unfortunately can't help you with figuring out how Jan 30 08:30:52 wrea: you don't like your veer ? Jan 30 08:33:46 EricBlade: what phone doyou have now ? Jan 30 08:34:22 i use a pre 2 Jan 30 08:55:28 How does one delete SIM contacts? (2.1.2 won't let me do it) Jan 30 09:21:15 EricBlade: I'm using Pre2 and Veer :) but I can't say what's better Jan 30 09:21:45 btby: try to delete it in other phone ;) Jan 30 09:22:44 Honestly, aside from the wasted so far potential of the phone to have Touch-to-Share, I'd say all indicators point towards the Pre 2 being the better unit Jan 30 14:04:30 *crickets* Jan 30 14:04:39 i'm here! Jan 30 14:57:14 Hey guys Jan 30 15:05:40 Hey yooooo guyyyyyyyysssss Jan 30 16:43:48 * EricBlade laughs.. today, XO Demo surpassed GVoice in downloads. 4 days in the catalog vs 5 months. Jan 30 16:51:52 lol Jan 30 17:01:12 free vs paid? Jan 30 17:55:08 is it just me or are the precentral forums worse then they used to be? Jan 30 17:59:08 no clue. I kinda gave up on them a while ago Jan 30 18:00:18 i went back after getting an email about a thread i started Jan 30 18:00:26 oilsworkn: in what way`? Jan 30 18:01:03 idk, just seems like there is a lot more people talking about things they know nothing about then before Jan 30 18:01:12 :S Jan 30 18:33:35 anyone working on enyo apps for webos phones using the enyo 1.x ? Jan 30 18:42:29 someone help me. im in android rooting and dev channels! Jan 30 18:48:14 PatrickC, would kicking your out of here help? Jan 30 18:48:46 no, then i would only have those stupid people to hang around.. lol Jan 30 18:48:59 i need the smart people of webOS helping me stay sane Jan 30 18:50:12 PuffTheMagic: haha Jan 30 18:50:55 hahahahaa Jan 30 19:03:39 PuffTheMagic: me Jan 30 19:03:59 do you have any problems getting onKey* events Jan 30 19:04:01 or do you not use them Jan 30 19:04:37 i think in inputs, i had to use onKeyUp instead of onKeyPress .. or the other way around Jan 30 19:05:03 but you dont use ApplicationEvents ? Jan 30 19:05:35 no i don't Jan 30 19:17:17 hey all Jan 30 19:17:26 hey wrea Jan 30 19:18:14 hey wrea Jan 30 19:18:44 so what happened to your veer, wrea Jan 30 19:27:45 so if anyone wants wterm on their phone they need to help me get keyevents in enyo Jan 30 19:29:00 i would love to help Jan 30 19:29:05 if i knew how ;) Jan 30 19:29:13 the term runs Jan 30 19:29:14 PuffTheMagic: is that a like a threat? :P Jan 30 19:29:16 ill help with testing/debuging Jan 30 19:29:19 but i cant get input to it Jan 30 19:29:34 as an enyo hybrid Jan 30 19:29:41 in standalone it works fine Jan 30 19:29:50 treid the #enyojs channel? Jan 30 19:29:56 thats for 2.0 shit Jan 30 19:29:56 hybrids only work on 2.2+ Jan 30 19:29:56 * PatrickC assumes so Jan 30 19:30:01 and there are more people here Jan 30 19:30:08 well, Enyo Hybrids that is Jan 30 19:30:18 EricBlade, well im testing this on a pre3 atm Jan 30 19:30:28 mattsmcnulty (or however its spelled) might be able to help Jan 30 19:30:31 or maybe sugardave? Jan 30 19:30:31 i would also test on my veer if I could find the cable Jan 30 19:36:01 PuffTheMagic: I'm using onkeypress for an enyo.RichText with no problem Jan 30 19:36:27 sugardave, sure, it works on the precanned input controls Jan 30 19:36:35 but im not using them Jan 30 19:36:37 ah, you want it on body? Jan 30 19:36:44 i have a custom control I need to get key events too Jan 30 19:36:51 si...hmm Jan 30 19:37:29 PuffTheMagic: and DOM onkeypress for the element isn't working either? Jan 30 19:37:58 sugardave, not sure how I could set that up to test Jan 30 19:39:02 element.onkeypress = enyo.bind(this, function() {console.log("key pressed")}); ? Jan 30 19:40:16 the element would need to be focused to get those right? Jan 30 19:40:36 probably Jan 30 19:41:33 so if I was in the initComponents part of the control it would be this.onkeypress? Jan 30 19:43:34 this (Control) is probably not what you want...this.hasNode() is probably what you want to put onkeypress on...but you won't have that until the control is rendered Jan 30 19:43:57 well, ready would work Jan 30 19:49:24 rendered: function() { Jan 30 19:49:24 if (this.hasNode()) { Jan 30 19:49:24 this.node.onkeypress = enyo.bind(this, function() {this.log("key pressed")}); Jan 30 19:49:24 this.node.focus() Jan 30 19:49:24 } Jan 30 19:49:25 } Jan 30 19:49:31 their rendered or ready work Jan 30 19:49:44 i get no events :( Jan 30 19:50:04 :( Jan 30 19:50:09 that should work, I think Jan 30 19:50:28 let me test here Jan 30 20:09:53 sugardave, i take it no luck or did you get sidetracked Jan 30 20:09:54 PuffTheMagic: hmm, can't get it to work here...so a workaround instead Jan 30 20:10:17 you can catch every key pressed with an ApplicationEvents object onKeypress handler Jan 30 20:10:31 and then determine where they are Jan 30 20:10:50 nope Jan 30 20:10:56 that is what i was using before Jan 30 20:11:01 that doesnt work on the pre3 either Jan 30 20:11:14 oh I only tried in chrome Jan 30 20:11:47 make sure it's capital K for that one ? Jan 30 20:12:04 yep Jan 30 20:15:13 PuffTheMagic: it only doesn't work on a pre3 or it doesn't work anywhere? Jan 30 20:15:23 works fine on the TP Jan 30 20:15:31 ah Jan 30 20:15:31 i havent tested on the veer yet Jan 30 20:15:35 cant find my charging cable Jan 30 20:15:44 okay, that's a bummer Jan 30 20:15:53 but input fields can get input Jan 30 20:15:57 so i dont get what im missing Jan 30 20:17:07 PuffTheMagic: Getting keyboard events without an input works in a mojo app on the pre3. Project Macaw does it. Jan 30 20:17:26 ya im not going back to mojo Jan 30 20:17:27 ever Jan 30 20:17:34 I'm sure there is something "special" we're doing with keyboard events Jan 30 20:17:42 I'm not suggesting going back to mojo Jan 30 20:17:57 I'm wondering what would be different between enyo and mojo for keyboard handling Jan 30 20:18:11 the spec says

is supposed to handle onkeypress DOM...but I can't seem to make that work at all Jan 30 20:18:42 even though chrome is happily reporting that there is a keypress event handler :/ Jan 30 20:19:31 macaw is just listening for keyup on the document. That should be the same on either. Jan 30 20:19:38 hey all Jan 30 20:21:08 hmm. sprint service kicks the crap out of tmo, and i still can't stream my music properly. :| Jan 30 20:31:26 wow wterm works really well with a bluetooth keyboard Jan 30 20:31:31 I'm really impressed Jan 30 20:31:47 ya, Brybry has been working on that Jan 30 20:31:54 * PatrickC hasnt had much of a need for a term lately :/ Jan 30 20:32:06 now if only i could get slider keyboards worlking ;) Jan 30 20:32:42 :) Jan 30 20:33:47 I spend most of my life in a terminal. I always have need for a terminal. Jan 30 20:34:10 me too :D Jan 30 20:34:24 anyone know where BasicInput.js resides on a pre3? Jan 30 20:59:13 PuffTheMagic: try grep :P Jan 30 21:02:33 invalidopcode, it doesnt exists Jan 30 21:02:46 its created on the fly in build-enyo.js Jan 30 21:03:02 oh... sorry. nevermind Jan 30 21:26:09 in an enyo control, when is chrome:[] supposed to be used? Jan 30 21:27:44 when you want a control that inherits from it to have that chrome Jan 30 21:28:48 from what i remember, if a control inherits from another control, and you include components, the components of the parent are discarded Jan 30 21:29:05 i see Jan 30 21:29:05 maybe thats not right Jan 30 21:29:45 oh, but you can use the special client name to make that work Jan 30 21:30:12 * PuffTheMagic wished he could get input on a custom control enyo on a pre4 Jan 30 21:30:13 * PuffTheMagic wished he could get input on a custom control enyo on a pre3 Jan 30 21:32:23 why not watch document? Jan 30 21:32:47 what do you mean? Jan 30 21:33:27 * oilsworkn looks for code Jan 30 21:34:38 {kind: 'ApplicationEvents', onKeydown: 'keyDown' Jan 30 21:34:41 that doesn't work? Jan 30 21:34:50 nope Jan 30 21:34:52 doesnt work Jan 30 21:34:58 on the pre3 that is Jan 30 21:35:10 huh, thats how we handle key commands in wirc-enyo Jan 30 21:35:32 ah, yeah, i've never tested that part on a pre3 Jan 30 21:35:57 i think i just found something that does work Jan 30 21:36:58 yay! Jan 30 21:37:16 create: function() { Jan 30 21:37:17 this.inherited(arguments) Jan 30 21:37:17 document.onkeydown = this.keyHandler.bind(this) Jan 30 21:37:17 }, Jan 30 21:37:41 but using appmanager doesnt work Jan 30 21:38:21 yeah Jan 30 21:38:27 it must do something fancy and not just that Jan 30 21:39:20 only took 4.5 hours Jan 30 21:40:26 lol Jan 30 21:44:24 [20120130-16:43:49.677886] error: Uncaught RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded., app.html:1 Jan 30 21:44:25 sweet Jan 30 21:44:27 progress Jan 30 21:58:34 Hello all :) Jan 30 21:58:52 Is there any way to get my mounted shares accessible in any music app? Jan 30 22:02:10 you're mounting things via samba or nfs? Jan 30 22:02:37 samba Jan 30 22:02:49 using the enyo drive mapper Jan 30 22:02:51 afaik the media indexer (what probably all the music apps use) only indexes the /media/internal folder Jan 30 22:03:08 and since its fat, i don't think you can mount into there? Jan 30 22:03:17 umm Jan 30 22:03:27 I mount into /media/internal/Shares Jan 30 22:03:35 but the indexer doesn't pick it up Jan 30 22:03:45 huh Jan 30 22:03:53 if I use internals to select a song, and then let the music app play it Jan 30 22:03:56 music app can't find it Jan 30 22:04:52 weirds, i got no answer for that Jan 30 22:05:09 I remember someone telling me why it didn't work Jan 30 22:05:26 would just like to know if there's a music app that would work with it Jan 30 22:05:37 touchplayer can play mp3s but there's no playlists or anything =/ Jan 30 22:06:56 Perhaps I'll just post somewhere Jan 30 22:12:35 oilsworkn: If you're interested, I found this...: http://forums.webosnation.com/nelsun-apps/303257-network-drives-enyo-network-drive-mapper-8.html#post3283859 Jan 30 22:12:39 Wonder if that'll work Jan 30 22:12:49 Worth a punt Jan 30 23:13:32 wTerm is working on the Pre3 now :D Jan 30 23:15:12 woo! Jan 30 23:16:49 sugardave, applicantionevents didnt work but i could do this Jan 30 23:16:50 document.onkeydown = this.keydownHandler.bind(this) Jan 30 23:16:53 really weird Jan 30 23:17:09 it must turn off bubble up or something Jan 30 23:27:15 is there still a way to get the f keys/arrows/esc on a phone? Jan 30 23:37:22 RagingMind, not yet, there can be though Jan 30 23:37:35 would need to add a new overlay/vkb Jan 30 23:37:44 PuffTheMagic: Is it possible to do a mini version of the soft keyboard with just those keys for the pre3? Jan 30 23:37:47 but i cant use the full vkb cause pre3 doesnt support multitouch in enyo Jan 30 23:37:50 oh you just answered that Jan 30 23:37:53 ;) Jan 30 23:37:58 hehe Jan 30 23:38:03 now if i could only find my veer charging cable Jan 30 23:38:15 Can you detect an option tap in enyo? Jan 30 23:38:27 option tap? Jan 30 23:38:28 nm dumb idea Jan 30 23:38:35 the "orange" key Jan 30 23:38:45 option tap :) Jan 30 23:39:18 sure such things are possible Jan 30 23:41:01 A mini keyboard layout may be nice for use on the TouchPad when using a virtual keyboard to deal with keys that you can't access properly too. Jan 30 23:42:24 you mean for use with the BT keyboard? Jan 30 23:42:47 Yes. I typed virtual but was thinking BT. Jan 30 23:43:06 * oilsworkn thinks that would also be cool Jan 30 23:43:47 minego, so like just the top row of missing keys and the arrows? Jan 30 23:44:39 RagingMind: Yeah Jan 30 23:45:04 well Jan 30 23:45:11 since this is a hybrid Jan 30 23:45:19 i could just show a popup on sym key ;) Jan 30 23:45:51 ORLY? Jan 30 23:46:06 Oh because sym is handled in mojo isn't it? Jan 30 23:46:11 no Jan 30 23:46:14 PuffTheMagic, could the terminal be "jailed" (maybe with just a couple precompiled tools and access to /media/internal) that HP would let it into the catalog? Jan 30 23:46:17 err Jan 30 23:46:26 cause... I'd totally buy it :) Jan 30 23:46:50 RagingMind, just donate Jan 30 23:46:57 So sym doesn't get handled at all in an enyo app, right? Jan 30 23:47:17 sym doesnt seem to do shit Jan 30 23:47:25 orange does Jan 30 23:47:29 Do you even get an event for sym? Jan 30 23:47:38 i believe so Jan 30 23:47:40 its like.. alt Jan 30 23:47:43 i think Jan 30 23:47:46 let me see Jan 30 23:48:08 It would be cool to treat sym as control Jan 30 23:48:27 sym is ctrl Jan 30 23:48:30 Maybe tap it to bring up a list of extra keys but hold it to act like control? Jan 30 23:48:31 just checked Jan 30 23:48:33 oh perfect Jan 30 23:48:39 orange is alt Jan 30 23:48:44 haha nice Jan 30 23:49:23 the bt keyboard has symbol next to control Jan 30 23:49:36 ya Jan 30 23:49:41 this is on the pre3 keyboard Jan 30 23:49:46 If orange is alt and sym is ctrl then a small virtual keyboard layout for esc, arrows and function keys would cover everything, right? Jan 30 23:49:46 on the bt keyboard sym is alt Jan 30 23:49:50 and ctrl is ctrl Jan 30 23:50:21 I personally can live without the function keys most of the time. It is pretty rare that I need them in the terminal. Jan 30 23:50:22 the keybindings UI in the wterm prefs is gonna need huge overhaul Jan 30 23:50:28