**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 04 02:59:58 2012 Feb 04 03:33:12 this.list = new Array(); this.list["wtf"] = "wtf!"; this.log(this.list); shows nothing. this.log(this.list["wtf"]); shows "wtf!" .. wtf Feb 04 03:47:23 hmmm, it's possible that since that array is not enumerable it can't print it like normal? (not sure) Feb 04 03:53:37 yeah i just found that out Feb 04 03:53:51 i've actually been using objects that i initialized as arrays, all this time Feb 04 03:54:01 suddenly, things make more sense Feb 04 03:57:27 ok, now, just to figure out how to get the last dashboard in a stack to actually tell me something when it gets swiped Feb 04 04:00:09 PuffTheMagic: i don't imagine you have any idea if getting the enyo WebView to work on 2.x would be as simple as the Hybrid thing was would you? Feb 04 04:02:37 i have never messed with webview so idk Feb 04 04:02:48 but if it uses a plugin i would say probably it is Feb 04 05:39:42 * EricBlade1 tries to think of an enyo app that uses a multilayer dashboard, that also needs to know when they are dismissed.. hmm Feb 04 08:18:07 hey guys, I need a Canuckistan resident, stat Feb 04 08:18:08 anyone? Feb 04 08:29:28 Hi. I'm not sure what we're supposed to discuss here, but I need some help with my Pixi. I'm trying to manually back it up, but it's been stuck on "Preparing" for almost an hour now. How long is this supposed to take? Feb 04 08:32:25 Wow I'm looking at the room list... I was beginning to think the webOS community was dead, but I guess now I should reconsider... Feb 04 08:35:37 ok... Feb 04 08:35:48 starting to reconsider that reconsideration... Feb 04 08:40:46 lol it's 3:30am on the east coast US Feb 04 08:41:03 on a fri night/sat morning Feb 04 08:45:43 not that long Feb 04 08:46:05 no way... activity? unbelievable.. Feb 04 08:46:19 would any of you kind people assist me? Feb 04 08:47:07 i would if i had an answer Feb 04 08:47:15 i don't though Feb 04 08:47:20 the few problems I've had with the backups have been solved by turning off autobackups, turning them back on, and rebooting, but I also never had a 1.4.5 or a pixi Feb 04 08:48:01 yeah i'll erase the old backup, restart and start out fresh Feb 04 08:48:41 wow you have no idea how happy i am to know there are other webos users these days Feb 04 08:48:53 i actually know another webOS user Feb 04 08:49:18 i now know a former webOS user (he gave me my pre-) and a current webOS user (she bought a touchpad off the former webOS user) Feb 04 08:49:29 in real life or online? Feb 04 08:49:40 in real life Feb 04 08:50:27 well great. now i don't have to talk to myself about my thoughts on webos. cool Feb 04 08:51:08 man this backup tool's slow. i think it's meant to be run in the bg, that's why it doesnt take so much cpu Feb 04 08:51:23 i've been told that my software doesn't work on pixi due to screen size :( Feb 04 08:51:53 i know i wish there were better inter-compatibility :( Feb 04 08:52:34 if i'd started building it on a small screen, that'd be different, but it was touchpad software when i started Feb 04 08:52:38 i just cant wait until hp fully releases webos to the open source community. thing are sure to pick up Feb 04 08:52:56 you could always make a pixi version Feb 04 08:53:08 based off of the old version Feb 04 08:53:50 it was hard enough to squeeze it down to a pre Feb 04 08:53:54 hehe if i knew i could be developing for websites *and* a mobile os, i would've started learning html a lot earlier Feb 04 08:56:02 oh forget it. I'll just manually delete the backup with internalz.. Feb 04 08:57:12 i'm just wondering how things will go after palm open sources webos Feb 04 08:58:37 oh wow. the backup file's only 892kb Feb 04 08:58:54 i waited for 20 minutes and it still didn't finish Feb 04 08:59:27 must be a glitch. restarting.. Feb 04 09:00:03 so how's it like developing webos software? Feb 04 09:08:57 hello? Feb 04 09:17:08 i love it Feb 04 09:17:17 well welcome back Feb 04 09:18:31 just html and java right? Feb 04 09:21:08 ugh finally it backs up Feb 04 09:21:26 there now i can give this debian chroot another whack Feb 04 09:23:27 brb Feb 04 09:24:41 alright i'm back Feb 04 09:34:22 good luck. i messed with that on touchpad for a while, it was neat, but not real easy to use on the small screen. i can't even imagine on a phone Feb 04 09:34:32 html and javascript, no java Feb 04 09:35:08 wait is webos written in java or js? Feb 04 09:35:12 i forgot Feb 04 09:36:14 on the phone you can swipe around onscreen to scroll around the desktop Feb 04 09:36:21 apparently Feb 04 10:11:09 can somebody help me? I'm trying to mount ext3fs but every time i enter "mount -a" the device completely freezes and I have to reboot from the cli Feb 04 10:13:45 think i found out why Feb 04 10:14:07 i entered the cmd in xterm and it says device or resource busy Feb 04 10:14:24 then it scrolls down to a new prompt forever Feb 04 10:14:35 which freezes the phone Feb 04 10:15:46 i smell a bug.. Feb 04 10:15:55 and also, loneliness... Feb 04 10:18:29 wait scratch that Feb 04 10:18:45 it said something was not found Feb 04 10:19:00 oh well i'll try again tomorrow Feb 04 10:19:01 ... Feb 04 11:14:57 HEY..in my enyo app it's giving me error.. Feb 04 11:15:17 cannot read property margin in main.js Feb 04 11:16:30 and in index.html i have .. Feb 04 11:17:11 ok Feb 04 11:18:02 any idea why? Feb 04 11:18:26

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Feb 04 11:18:46 i think this statement in indeex isn't working Feb 04 11:20:15 any help? Feb 04 13:01:04 where is the touchpad emulator currently located? Feb 04 13:01:18 that is to say. the virtualbox image for that, i think i have all other prerequisites installed Feb 04 13:08:13 * madnificent assumes it's included in the 3.0.5 sdk Feb 04 13:16:22 looks like SDK\share\emulator\images Feb 04 13:16:55 iirc, on windows, it automatically sets it up (assuming virtualbox is installed before the sdk installer is run) Feb 04 14:15:05 Anyone se the tp to take notes with a stylus? Is there are any god apps for that Feb 04 14:19:43 my 1099 came btw. for anyone who was wondering. Feb 04 14:21:32 uh nuttypad Feb 04 14:21:37 is good for taking notes Feb 04 14:22:53 With a pen? Feb 04 14:23:11 I can't type on this. Much slower Feb 04 14:36:29 Hello. I know this is a dev-channel, but can somebody recommend a good online news-aggregator that works nicely with the Pre3-browser? Feb 04 14:56:16 i'm not too familiar w/ pre3 apps Feb 04 15:04:44 Brybry: i was looking at the download link, actually. but thanks! Feb 04 15:04:58 how can i select text in the emulator? Feb 04 15:23:20 I don't think it matters but it's the touchpad email app i'm looking at Feb 04 15:26:29 hey an error is coming- Feb 04 15:26:48 cannot read property margin in main.js Feb 04 15:28:02 and in index i have included this

Feb 04 15:28:25 still it cann't read my style. Feb 04 15:29:50 the error is coming from main.js Feb 04 15:30:13 margin is not an enyo property. you can specify className and style Feb 04 15:34:19 how ?? Feb 04 15:36:12 fxpec: u mean an equivalent statement of the above in my main.js..? Feb 04 15:36:16 { kind: enyo.VFlexBox, style: "margin:0 0 0 0;", className: "myClass" } Feb 04 15:39:00 kind:..,style....,content... Feb 04 15:39:06 this should work u mean Feb 04 15:39:08 ? Feb 04 15:39:32 yes Feb 04 15:39:46 okay Feb 04 15:39:59 it doesn't matter which order you put the attributes in. as long as they are correct JSON Feb 04 15:40:14 generally in class name what am i supposed to put..? Feb 04 15:40:35 that's if you want to use a stylesheet Feb 04 15:40:59 instead of doing style:"margin:0px;" you can do className:"myStyle" Feb 04 15:41:12 then create a .css file and include it in depends.js Feb 04 15:41:40 and set margin like: .myStyle { margin:0px; } Feb 04 16:19:32 woo i made the Featured Apps for the month. although there's no clickable links. Feb 04 16:25:43 nice! Feb 04 16:25:51 i was there for a month or two, too Feb 04 16:29:03 if they keep featuring as many apps as they do, they'll have to start recycling :S Feb 04 16:30:06 anyone else see in the touchpad featured apps, that none of the apps in the in-line text are clickable? Feb 04 17:48:12 ok, so, i'm poking back into the black magic that is Synergy again, and this time I've managed to actually package a service that doesn't completely destroy my touchpad Feb 04 17:49:03 but, when I try to call the Account Manager service to create an account for it, I get back "Error: missing templateId" Feb 04 17:49:15 is that it telling me that i didn't give it a templateId, or that it can't find the templateId? Feb 04 18:06:14 hmm. guess that means i wasn't providing it properly. now, i'm getting back "no account template for id=..." Feb 04 18:11:20 bwahahahahahahaha Feb 04 18:11:37 taking an online orientation thing for a community college near here. its hilarious Feb 04 18:14:17 Its suppost to take an hour and a half to finish it all, with mandatory questions sprinkled in Feb 04 18:14:32 but the questions are stupid. Laughably so Feb 04 18:17:26 1:30 orientation done in... 17 minutes. Feb 04 18:25:08 i'm surprised they don't force you to wait Feb 04 18:31:22 EricBlade1: there's no clickable links for any apps Feb 04 18:31:25 all you get is bookmarks Feb 04 18:31:33 if you have the app installed, you don't see the bookmark Feb 04 18:32:21 the right hand margin ones have buttons to click Feb 04 18:32:29 i know i almost accidentally purchased one Feb 04 18:34:08 yea, but not for the ones in text Feb 04 18:34:34 I actually wish it'd take you to the app's page, not just bookmark (to go to later) or buy Feb 04 19:07:41 yeah it used to do that didn't it? Feb 04 19:07:58 i emailed pdc about it, maybe they'll do something Feb 04 19:10:04 not in this new featured apps Feb 04 19:10:29 hmm. ok, i've got a service registered for PHONE and MESSAGING .. but in Accounts it shows up for Messaging and Messaging. and it doesn't show up in either the phone or the messaging apps. hmm. Feb 04 19:10:53 pivot had an "in this issue" page that had all the links Feb 04 19:32:19 ok i have this configured identically to the Skype and Yahoo and Google IM plugins, and it's not showing up anywhere Feb 04 20:42:13 YES Feb 04 20:42:22 finally my debian chroot is working Feb 04 20:45:15 hello Feb 04 20:45:23 hey Feb 04 20:45:25 I am trying to install uberkernel Feb 04 20:45:34 and it got stuck on installing Feb 04 20:45:46 waits the error msg? Feb 04 20:45:50 what's* Feb 04 20:45:53 if I remove or cancel it will it make the pre2 broke Feb 04 20:45:56 no error message Feb 04 20:46:09 it is just been there for 15 minutes Feb 04 20:46:15 no you can exit preware and try again Feb 04 20:46:19 just dont reboot Feb 04 20:46:21 ok Feb 04 20:46:33 try installing the stock kernel if it's available Feb 04 20:46:37 ok Feb 04 20:46:39 thanks Feb 04 20:46:46 no prob Feb 04 20:46:55 what is the latest webs doctpr Feb 04 20:47:13 what webos version do you have? 2.x? Feb 04 20:47:25 I just got pre2 Feb 04 20:47:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions Feb 04 20:47:32 so what ever there is Feb 04 20:47:46 look for your carrier Feb 04 21:04:42 thanks rectec Feb 04 21:04:57 sure thing Feb 04 21:04:59 Iooks like the headset I got has headset stuck mode Feb 04 21:05:22 ? Feb 04 21:08:25 rectec: like the headset things there is a headset so the speaker won't work Feb 04 21:08:28 when u get call Feb 04 21:10:11 i'd look through preware and see if there's something available Feb 04 21:10:22 maybe in the "phone" patches section? Feb 04 21:13:21 is it bluetooth? Feb 04 21:21:32 ok Feb 04 21:21:46 I will look in to it Feb 04 21:21:55 alright Feb 04 21:21:57 rectec: how does chroot works Feb 04 21:22:03 have you got detain installed? Feb 04 21:22:13 yeah i got debian up Feb 04 21:22:23 Is to easy process? Feb 04 21:22:25 don't know much about chroot Feb 04 21:22:37 yeah it's not that hard Feb 04 21:22:54 any idea where to start Feb 04 21:22:56 you gotta know that you might lose data though Feb 04 21:23:20 you have a pre2 right? Feb 04 21:23:24 yes Feb 04 21:23:26 you can install ubuntu Feb 04 21:23:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Feb 04 21:23:52 make sure to manually backup Feb 04 21:23:52 ok Feb 04 21:24:17 Also u use webs doctor to revert ur kernel right Feb 04 21:24:26 that way you can get your apps and settings back when you sign back in to ur palm profile Feb 04 21:24:42 what about installing uberkernel Feb 04 21:24:45 webos doctor completely "reinstalls" webos Feb 04 21:24:47 what you need for that Feb 04 21:25:12 just preware Feb 04 21:25:23 have you gotten it installed? Feb 04 21:25:31 nope Feb 04 21:25:49 do you have any patches? Feb 04 21:26:02 they might not be kept Feb 04 21:26:44 ok Feb 04 21:31:50 how much knowledge do you have about Linux, Indian? Feb 04 21:36:19 not bad Feb 04 21:36:44 why is that Feb 04 21:37:12 the doctor removes patches Feb 04 21:38:50 ok Feb 04 21:38:53 damn Feb 04 21:40:45 rectec: also does pre phones switch to wifi if woof is available Feb 04 21:41:16 i think they would Feb 04 21:41:29 i dont have one so i couldnt tell Feb 04 21:41:37 plus i dont have service Feb 04 21:44:14 uber-kernel try 2 and this thing is stuck again there for ever Feb 04 21:44:29 anyone here familiar with the db8 stuff? Feb 04 21:44:43 the what? Feb 04 21:45:18 Indian, did you try installing the stock kernel? Feb 04 21:45:41 rectec: what you mean stock kernel? Feb 04 21:46:34 one sec Feb 04 21:47:44 preware -> available packages -> kernel -> recovery -> palm kernel Feb 04 21:48:57 ok Feb 04 21:49:08 Do I need that before uber kernel Feb 04 21:49:32 no you do that when something goes wrong with uberkernel Feb 04 21:49:38 ok Feb 04 21:49:48 well it says intalling Feb 04 21:49:54 and it is there Feb 04 21:50:06 for a while Feb 04 21:50:26 what's the exact message? Feb 04 21:51:07 intalling: webos.internals.kernels.uber.... Feb 04 21:51:35 i would leave it alone, it looks like it's going fine Feb 04 21:51:41 ok Feb 04 21:51:44 but it shouldnt take forever Feb 04 21:51:44 I will leave it then Feb 04 21:51:55 rectec: have you got touchpad Feb 04 21:52:06 no Feb 04 21:52:11 just a pixi+ Feb 04 21:52:22 i got it last year Feb 04 21:54:51 ok Feb 04 21:59:44 hey can someone help me with debian chroot? i'm trying to log in with ldm but it's stuck on "verifying password". I've tried with root and no pw, and i tried with another user that i created and it's pw, but nothings working Feb 04 21:59:44 rectec: it is still going on Feb 04 22:00:04 Indian, close out of the card and try again Feb 04 22:00:15 what card? Feb 04 22:00:26 close preware Feb 04 22:00:29 ok Feb 04 22:02:32 hmm I am trying to install using webs quick install jar file Feb 04 22:02:57 ok know I tried to install prewire and still it does same thing Feb 04 22:03:39 oh so you tried installing uberkernel with webos quick install and now you're trying it with preware? Feb 04 22:04:36 I don't have prewire on pre2 yet Feb 04 22:04:45 I tried with webs wuick Feb 04 22:04:54 and know I am trying to install preware Feb 04 22:04:57 same problem Feb 04 22:05:05 it says initialling and stays there Feb 04 22:05:38 install the stock kernel and reboot Feb 04 22:06:13 with webs doctor? Feb 04 22:06:16 I tried that before Feb 04 22:06:41 well idk what to say Feb 04 22:07:46 also when u keep in developer mode do u mount as usb drive or just chrage Feb 04 22:07:58 just charge Feb 04 22:10:11 why were u asking about linux Feb 04 22:10:22 what was u trying to do in debain Feb 04 22:11:09 oh because you need some knowledge about how debian works if you want to get it up Feb 04 22:11:13 and running Feb 04 22:12:12 well by yourself anyway Feb 04 22:12:54 Feb 04 22:12:56 ok Feb 04 22:13:04 so how is pixi Feb 04 22:13:13 I do like its form factor Feb 04 22:13:19 well it's pretty small Feb 04 22:13:23 but Feb 04 22:13:28 pre2 keyboard is lame Feb 04 22:13:36 it's slow and the screen is small Feb 04 22:13:40 ok Feb 04 22:13:42 slow? Feb 04 22:13:45 but webos is awesome Feb 04 22:13:50 yeah only 600mhz Feb 04 22:13:53 is it pixi or pixi+ Feb 04 22:13:58 plus Feb 04 22:14:09 it has wifi Feb 04 22:14:32 which is a life saver because i dont wanna pay all that money for verizon's service Feb 04 22:16:18 alright i'll just let ldm "verify" my password forever Feb 04 22:17:14 rectec: when it says dedicated ext3 partion Feb 04 22:17:33 do u need to create by urself or does it part ion and does it Feb 04 22:17:38 i can walk you through each step if your ready Feb 04 22:17:42 ok Feb 04 22:17:48 meta doctor does it Feb 04 22:17:54 do you have ubuntu? Feb 04 22:18:01 I got on VM Feb 04 22:18:20 hm that might make it harder Feb 04 22:18:25 ok Feb 04 22:18:28 why is that Feb 04 22:18:35 what does ubuntu does Feb 04 22:18:41 I am running OSX by the way Feb 04 22:18:45 oh Feb 04 22:18:50 you can do it on osx Feb 04 22:19:00 ok I will be in 2 minutes just a sec Feb 04 22:19:03 it's an operating system Feb 04 22:19:06 k Feb 04 22:19:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Mac_OS_X_10.6 Feb 04 22:25:52 I'm trying to help a user of mine but can't figure out how to copy/paste text from an email in the touchpad's emulator. could someone please help me? i don't think she has access to all of her tasks right now (and that makes me sad) Feb 04 22:27:11 madnificent, copying text is impossible in webos (except in text input fields) as far as i know. sorry :( Feb 04 22:27:37 rectec: my user was able to do it somehow. perhaps she replied to the email and then copy-pasted the content in that box? Feb 04 22:27:42 that's an edit field Feb 04 22:28:41 i don't know, you can't select text in webos Feb 04 22:29:26 what the crap have they done with that touchpad?! how borked can they possibly have made it? you must be able to do such a mundane task somehow (note: i'm not saying they're doing it worse than others, but it's still sick) Feb 04 22:29:37 perhaps send the email to a pc and copy it that way? Feb 04 22:29:58 rectec: no, i need it in a copy-paste buffer in webos itself so i can paste it in another text field Feb 04 22:30:24 * madnificent hopes rectec will say "oh that, that IS possible" now :) Feb 04 22:30:26 wait Feb 04 22:30:27 http://www.webosnation.com/highlight-and-copy-paste-text-webos-3-0 Feb 04 22:30:45 i don't have a touchpad so there's not much *i* can do Feb 04 22:30:56 rectec: I don't have one either :( Feb 04 22:31:16 don't you have an emulator? Feb 04 22:31:21 yeah I have that, but couldn't find out how to copy in that Feb 04 22:31:36 there is no copy when i press the upper left corner in the email app :( Feb 04 22:32:30 I miss Pivot Feb 04 22:32:43 i miss welldesigned software (rip palm) Feb 04 22:32:54 i know Feb 04 22:33:46 ok I am back Feb 04 22:33:53 wb Feb 04 22:34:23 first I wanna install this virtual keybaord Feb 04 22:34:30 this physical one is horrid Feb 04 22:34:58 do you have preware running? Feb 04 22:35:20 yup Feb 04 22:35:25 cool Feb 04 22:35:37 i think they have a virtual keyboard Feb 04 22:35:45 rectec: do you know if we can force pre to use wifi or packet data Feb 04 22:36:12 you can turn off the phone's radio Feb 04 22:37:03 yah but when wifi is on does it only use wifi Feb 04 22:37:04 i'm having a very hard time with debian... Feb 04 22:37:09 anyone remember what the command was to clear the luna app cache? Feb 04 22:37:33 didnt even learn it, EricBlade1 Feb 04 22:37:51 Indian, you want the phone to use both? Feb 04 22:39:16 rectec: nope Feb 04 22:39:29 I just wanna make sure it uses wifi only when available Feb 04 22:39:56 so turn on when there's wifi available? Feb 04 22:40:20 sure but I had this andriod Feb 04 22:40:30 even on wifi on t switches to packet data Feb 04 22:40:31 lol Feb 04 22:41:18 packet data? Feb 04 22:41:26 all internet data is packets Feb 04 22:41:37 unless its a series of tubes Feb 04 22:42:01 lol Feb 04 22:42:02 rectec: packet data I mean 3g Feb 04 22:42:07 oh Feb 04 22:42:17 yeah not good Feb 04 22:42:36 can u just turn off the phone's radio (3g)? Feb 04 22:43:31 rectec: yes Feb 04 22:43:45 I got the option to switch off the data Feb 04 22:44:02 there's a patch that lets you turn off the radio in preware Feb 04 22:44:13 ok Feb 04 22:44:20 sweet Feb 04 22:44:25 what is it called Feb 04 22:44:37 one sec Feb 04 22:44:40 starting preware Feb 04 22:45:10 "Phone Radio Toggle" Feb 04 22:46:14 you still goin through with ubuntu chroot? Feb 04 22:46:23 ok Feb 04 22:46:26 yes Feb 04 22:46:34 just getting the Vkeyboard Feb 04 22:47:40 rectec: you have any dual core mobiles Feb 04 22:47:51 no Feb 04 22:47:56 just the pixi Feb 04 22:48:03 and a straight talk phone Feb 04 22:50:55 i hate palm's keyboards Feb 04 22:51:09 the keys are like 1/16cm narrow Feb 04 22:51:21 it took me nearly a year to get used to it Feb 04 22:51:26 and i still make mistakes Feb 04 22:53:34 rectec: you can apparently press and hold. that pops up a context menu which allows you to select all content and then you can take that content and paste it (the last is something i'm assuming right now) Feb 04 22:53:47 damn I remember installing v keyboard in pre1 Feb 04 22:53:52 I can only see hebrew v-keyboard Feb 04 22:54:29 madnificent, i'll try that Feb 04 22:55:41 madnificent, doesn't work for me, but i can still always go to edit -> select all Feb 04 22:56:02 or lightbar+A Feb 04 22:57:16 yeah that's one plus about the pixi Feb 04 22:57:24 that sweet lightbar Feb 04 23:00:54 rectec: when you are ready we do chroot Feb 04 23:00:57 what are the advantages thoo Feb 04 23:01:33 i'm ready when you are Feb 04 23:01:41 you can run a full desktop on ur phone Feb 04 23:01:46 ok sweet Feb 04 23:01:48 I am ready Feb 04 23:02:11 you have a mac right? never done it on a mac... Feb 04 23:02:15 yup Feb 04 23:02:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Mac_OS_X_10.6 Feb 04 23:02:29 i have ubuntu Feb 04 23:02:40 they're pretty similar Feb 04 23:03:25 just go through the guide carefully and tell me if u need help Feb 04 23:03:43 ok Feb 04 23:03:59 oh Feb 04 23:04:01 hell yeah Feb 04 23:04:15 got lxde up and running Feb 04 23:04:16 WOOOO Feb 04 23:04:35 hold on i gotta show someonje Feb 04 23:04:39 one* Feb 04 23:05:52 ok Feb 04 23:05:53 ready Feb 04 23:06:04 this is so awesome Feb 04 23:09:11 ok Feb 04 23:12:25 making progress? Feb 04 23:13:44 i really need to find a way to debug the palm messaging app that doesn't involve restarting luna every time i make a change Feb 04 23:14:13 rectec: git stuff Feb 04 23:14:41 installing git core Feb 04 23:53:55