**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 05 02:59:59 2012 Feb 05 03:45:26 maybe this is a stupid question, but is there a limit to how long the video recorder will record? Feb 05 03:50:29 yes Feb 05 03:52:05 yes it's a stupid question, or yes there is a limit o_O Feb 05 03:52:29 hmmm Feb 05 03:52:31 i mean there's clearly a limit, based on space Feb 05 03:52:38 ding ding ding! Feb 05 03:54:21 is that the only limit? Feb 05 03:54:40 there's no artificially imposed "software" limit? Feb 05 03:55:17 you should test it Feb 05 03:55:39 lol Feb 05 03:55:59 I ask because I want to record a 2.5 hour lecture Feb 05 03:56:20 yeah, I'm not sure...I imagine that it may not work out for 2.5 hours Feb 05 03:56:45 I assume it's not streaming/writing to storage immediate Feb 05 03:58:41 that's like 8GB Feb 05 03:59:00 my math is probably horrible Feb 05 04:01:05 that was for RGB 320 x 480 at 24fps. ~9GB Feb 05 04:06:01 well shit Feb 05 04:06:05 that doesn't seem reasonable Feb 05 04:22:03 yeah, that's high. probably be better if you can capture audio only Feb 05 04:29:09 no point in recording video on a touchpad anyway Feb 05 04:39:46 EricBlade1: says you Feb 05 04:40:06 yup. i said it. Feb 05 04:41:42 EricBlade1: webcam, usb stick, done :) Feb 05 04:42:19 well, i suppose. but if you're going to carry all that around, you might as well just get a little camcorder and a big battery Feb 05 04:42:43 EricBlade1: sure, it's more opportunistic than anything, ie use what you have Feb 05 04:43:02 but iPhone can do better in all fairness Feb 05 04:43:40 future webos phones have good cameras too no doubt, evo3d for one Feb 05 04:44:57 my iPod takes amazing video i was way shocked Feb 05 04:45:01 and by future webos phones, I mean any current or future android phone potentially Feb 05 04:45:14 it's still pictures are nowhere near the quality of my pre2 though Feb 05 04:45:41 can I still say webos when I mean Open webOS? Feb 05 04:45:51 the open before it all the time could get awkward Feb 05 05:05:06 sugardave: you know anyone who might know lots of stuff about Synergy? particularly the Messaging part? i think i'm about as close as it gets to actually having a messaging connector without it actually working Feb 05 05:05:47 and i've gone so far as to spend half my day reading binary files just to get an insight, which hasn't yet been successful heh Feb 05 05:20:46 well, on the bright side, I understand how to build a proper service now Feb 05 05:47:50 Hey everyone Feb 05 05:48:37 EricBlade1: not off the top of my head, but ping me Monday and I'll hit up the locals Feb 05 05:49:56 Whats a best way to save a setting for an application in enyo? Feb 05 05:51:03 IceXtreme: i use localstorage Feb 05 05:52:19 do you have a example of how to use localstorage? Feb 05 05:52:45 google does Feb 05 05:53:12 https://www.google.com/search?q=google+html5+localstorage Feb 05 05:53:54 its actually really easy Feb 05 05:54:01 its just key-value Feb 05 05:56:24 I see Feb 05 05:57:21 webos has a builtin database thing but localstorage is easier to use Feb 05 06:01:09 Ya It sounds easy :) it won't get destroyed when I close the app right? Feb 05 06:01:19 nope Feb 05 06:01:27 thats the beauty of it Feb 05 06:02:51 hmmm I wish webOS supported alert() Feb 05 06:03:30 IceXtreme: what are you trying to do? Feb 05 06:05:19 sugardave: cool, thanks. i swear if i can just get some hints, i can probably get this. i have a really strong feeling at the moment, that the last major hurdle, assuming that this stuff is actually implemented, is implementing some service that has a hard coded and undocumented name. Feb 05 06:06:06 it may have something to do with needing to be whitelisted...? but not sure Feb 05 06:07:09 I have a set of data that gets entered in one area of application and then used in another :) I need to keep this data until user decides to update it Feb 05 06:07:47 IceXtreme: ah, but why the alert()? Feb 05 06:08:16 oh because I want to see if the value gets saved :P Feb 05 06:08:42 IceXtreme: enyo.log() or whatever it is works well for that :P Feb 05 06:08:54 this.log() i think Feb 05 06:09:08 ah oky :D Feb 05 06:09:08 sugardave: i found in the Phone connector, that there was a specific callback that had to be implemented, otherwise as soon as you started the phone, it would shut the account down Feb 05 06:14:27 what is this? a conversation? Feb 05 06:14:38 no Feb 05 06:14:44 fxspec06: you alread used that line :P Feb 05 06:14:56 not in here! Feb 05 06:14:59 @invalidopcode Thank you :D Feb 05 06:15:13 no but it's about the most active I've ever seen this channel before Feb 05 06:15:31 IceXtreme: np Feb 05 06:15:32 -before Feb 05 06:15:41 rectec: how long have you been in here? about 3 hours? Feb 05 06:15:47 its been much more active Feb 05 06:16:01 i've been here about 3 or 4 times Feb 05 06:16:07 especially when PatrickC_Away starts talking :P Feb 05 06:16:07 in the halcyon days of Mojo, this place was like a blind cat in a rocking chair factory Feb 05 06:16:08 varying times of day Feb 05 06:16:09 hmm Feb 05 06:16:13 hoppin' Feb 05 06:16:39 i've been here about 20 minutes Feb 05 06:16:55 i was on here for half a day earlier Feb 05 06:17:07 invalidopcode: lol Feb 05 06:17:15 sugardave: is that the halcyon days because everyone was stoned? Feb 05 06:17:33 haha, I can't speak for all of them Feb 05 06:17:44 omg wow that was a great image Feb 05 06:17:45 today i got debian and lxde installed on my pixi Feb 05 06:17:52 it's... ehhhh Feb 05 06:18:06 where did you get that line sugardave Feb 05 06:19:02 * fxspec06 yawns.. Feb 05 06:19:07 good night i think Feb 05 06:19:11 eww, pixi Feb 05 06:19:20 eww, truth Feb 05 06:19:48 trying to get an htc desire hd/inspire 4g Feb 05 06:20:02 will keep my pixi though as novelty :P Feb 05 06:22:16 don't know what they were thinking when they made the pixi. but there are some great deals online these days for it Feb 05 06:23:09 this is what i mean Feb 05 06:23:18 the channel goes dead all of a sudden Feb 05 06:23:30 because its late at night? Feb 05 06:24:05 i dont think everyone would fall asleep all of a sudden, no Feb 05 06:24:47 there were like... 3 people talking before. including you. one went to sleep. that leaves 2. Feb 05 06:25:32 not a very good inactive-to-active user ratio here.. Feb 05 06:25:47 2/112 Feb 05 06:25:52 its late at night for a lot of folks Feb 05 06:26:20 1.78571429 of us are talking... Feb 05 06:26:25 heh Feb 05 06:26:30 100 of them are bots Feb 05 06:26:52 yeah right, halfhalo Feb 05 06:27:16 * halfhalo is a bot Feb 05 06:27:21 bots that are malfunctioning Feb 05 06:27:41 a bunch of them are soandso|away Feb 05 06:27:52 they're more like zombies Feb 05 06:28:11 afks Feb 05 06:28:20 you and i must have different definitions for robot.. Feb 05 06:29:42 pixi owner: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/619/Untitled-1.jpg Feb 05 06:29:55 haha Feb 05 06:31:00 hp: http://thegurglingcod.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c387d53ef0148c84decb8970c-320wi Feb 05 06:31:32 well, I got a phone call :P Feb 05 06:31:52 hp didn't do the pixi Feb 05 06:31:52 palm did Feb 05 06:32:09 i didn't say they did Feb 05 06:32:21 but they royally f***ed webos Feb 05 06:33:01 wish they'd open source it faster Feb 05 06:33:40 you need to wish it's done right instead Feb 05 06:34:06 of course Feb 05 06:34:16 but it's mostly up to us Feb 05 06:35:34 at least they released a roadmap and weren't like some companies that say "It will be in the comming year or two" Feb 05 06:35:55 yeah i like that transparency Feb 05 06:35:55 it's not about us v them, is it? aren't we all "us" and working on it together? Feb 05 06:36:06 mebe... Feb 05 06:36:12 * halfhalo laughs evily Feb 05 06:36:41 sugardave, what i meant was it's open-source, so the direction webos goes is mostly up to us Feb 05 06:37:12 of course hp can choose what they want to do with it too Feb 05 06:37:35 but we still have more say Feb 05 06:38:31 I like to think of open source as America. Led by the people, but still governed Feb 05 06:38:51 well unless it's not commercially backed of course Feb 05 06:39:04 that's not America :P Feb 05 06:39:07 ugh i'm over explaining things Feb 05 06:39:23 well certainly not china Feb 05 06:39:36 ok you tell me a better analogy Feb 05 06:39:47 I get your point, I was being a smartass Feb 05 06:39:52 it's kind of what I do here Feb 05 06:40:00 that's my goal Feb 05 06:40:14 lol Feb 05 06:40:19 everyone hates sugardave's comments but his knowledge makes up for it :P Feb 05 06:40:24 nice to meet you Feb 05 06:41:20 invalidopcode: that's one Feb 05 06:41:26 ;) Feb 05 06:41:42 haha Feb 05 06:42:03 heh... knowledge... Feb 05 06:42:04 I mean... what? Feb 05 06:42:17 rectec: same, hopefully we'll get things right and everyone else gets to benefit Feb 05 06:42:31 halfhalo: that's like, a thousand Feb 05 06:42:36 can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait Feb 05 06:42:54 your a thousand Feb 05 06:43:36 we are on the right path, imo, and now we continue to execute. it's slower than people like but you have to think about the kinds of pressure our engineering teams are under right now Feb 05 06:43:58 * halfhalo misses the engineering team... Feb 05 06:44:18 I asked them if the miss you....not so much Feb 05 06:44:28 hp is falling apart because of webos. hopefully webos will put it back together Feb 05 06:44:30 :p Feb 05 06:45:17 I'm anxious to get some UI components in the meantime Feb 05 06:46:08 I've been trying to use the TouchScroller thing but it's not working the way I expect it to Feb 05 06:49:27 this august Feb 05 06:49:32 sweet Feb 05 06:50:24 what do they mean "linux standard kernel"? Feb 05 06:50:31 isn't linux already foss? Feb 05 06:51:01 or do they mean their patched version? Feb 05 06:51:11 (http://www.webosroundup.com/2012/01/webos-open-source-plan-announced-and-enyo-open-sourced/) Feb 05 06:53:19 my guess is that means that some things that are currently patched in in kernel space will end up in userspace, although i've never actually read through the kernel patches, so i could be talking out my butt Feb 05 06:53:56 either that or their patches get put into mainline Feb 05 06:54:29 that makes no sense.. Feb 05 06:54:41 kernel stuff should not be in userspace Feb 05 06:55:29 well, there has to be some purpose for having all those patches to the kernel Feb 05 06:55:37 yeah they're probably just open-sourcing their kernel Feb 05 06:55:51 and i imagine that if you just try to plug in a mainline to it, everything will massively blow up Feb 05 06:56:02 i think they might try to merge their kernel into the mainline one Feb 05 06:56:11 don't know much about the patches, but i've always thought they were optimizations for the device Feb 05 06:56:42 the patches seem quite excessively large for that to be the case, imo. i'm not an expert though, i stopped kernel hacking back around 2001 or so Feb 05 06:58:34 damn nothing slower than getting a popup on chromium...on lxde....on debian... on webos... on a pixi Feb 05 06:59:54 rectec: wow ouch! enough layers of abstraction there? :) Feb 05 07:00:23 yep Feb 05 07:00:31 tma Feb 05 07:01:14 lol typical x11. the entire phone locks up... but the mouse still moves :P Feb 05 07:04:42 i don't normally use this phrase, but debian on a pixi is an epic fail Feb 05 07:04:46 alright guys Feb 05 07:04:55 i'm gonna hit the sack Feb 05 07:29:23 so, now that i know how to write a service.. what the hell will i do with that knowledge? Feb 05 08:11:43 now to learn how to actually tell a service what i want, and have it return something Feb 05 08:16:14 lol. so i'm playing Scrabble with my gf on the ipad .. and she's got 5 E's, i've got 5 I's, and there's 2 letters left in the "bag" Feb 05 08:32:59 getting data to the service is simple.. now to figure out how to get data back out **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 05 08:38:09 2012 Feb 05 10:44:18 is there any way to get CID and/or LAC on palm pre? Feb 05 10:56:16 ? Feb 05 10:59:34 EricBlade1: i mean, how can i get info about BTS? Feb 05 10:59:40 oh, just saw your message on the forum with links. i don't know what you're referring to by LAC, but it definitely has caller id Feb 05 17:36:21 can anyone here help with noveterm? Feb 05 17:36:33 novaterm* Feb 05 18:36:39 Is there a webOS turn by turn direction GPS app? Feb 05 18:38:24 Satellite, there's the carrier apps, or NDrive Feb 05 18:38:35 but NDrive is broken and they don't seem interested in fixing it Feb 05 18:39:03 damn =/ Feb 05 18:39:13 the AT&T app wants $10/month Feb 05 18:40:53 NDrive works if you put your phone in airplane mode or if you start the app while connected to wifi. it's a bit annoying Feb 05 18:59:34 RagingMind: ever use Navit? Feb 05 19:22:05 Satellite, yes, but it's address search is mostly useless in the US Feb 05 19:22:15 dangit Feb 05 19:22:27 the easiest thing to do is zoom in on where you want and set a bookmark and navigate to that Feb 05 19:23:12 it's a problem with the openstreetmaps data set Feb 05 20:21:30 ok, so, say i'm doing a https request via node .. how can i collect the individual results from each return of data, to return via the PalmService call that called the service to begin with? Feb 05 20:30:35 you make your service subscribable Feb 05 20:32:29 that's one way of doing it, but then i'd be dumping partial data back to the app regularly. i think i should be able to have the future not return until after i've received the end, but i don't see how to collect the data during that stage until the request is complete .. Feb 05 20:34:47 can you store it in the service assistant? Feb 05 20:36:41 that might work but i'd be limited to one call at a time or implementing a method for keeping track of that Feb 05 20:37:11 it seems like i should somehow be able to access the future object that i'm dealing with, except i'm not really sure how i'd go about that from the https events Feb 05 20:38:51 if i understand this correctly, which i may not, if i do a future.then() .. that returns at some point when future.result is set. Feb 05 20:39:44 if that is how it works, then i need to collect the data from the 'data' event, and set future.result when the 'end' event is sent .. and somehow pass the future or some other variable between them Feb 05 20:40:26 I have not tried anything with then or next (is there a next?) Feb 05 20:41:00 my most ambitious service project to date is getting node-campfire to work with its long-pollingness Feb 05 20:41:00 * halfhalo runs from services Feb 05 20:43:56 there is a next Feb 05 20:44:48 i think it becomes a basic javascript question that i'm just having a hard time wrapping my mind around. i have several anonymous event functions, that i need them to all communicate with each other, and i don't think i can pass them my own arguments Feb 05 20:45:31 let me find the pages I was using for an example Feb 05 20:45:37 futures are weird Feb 05 20:45:38 speaking of js functions, (function(){})() is the god function Feb 05 20:48:25 future seems to make sense to me, unless my understanding of the basic is flawed Feb 05 20:50:46 I'm much more comfortable with straight up callbacks Feb 05 20:50:59 actually, a question about subscriptions.. is there a standard way of telling the subscriber "i'm done, buzz off"? Feb 05 20:51:00 okay, so you just need to make your thens "looping" until you have everything you want, then branch to the last then Feb 05 20:51:18 EricBlade1: yeah, there's a cancel or something like that Feb 05 20:51:45 i saw that on the subscriber side, i didn't see it on the service side.. might have missed it though Feb 05 20:58:07 yeah i think i understand how to do it from the future standpoint (or at least i know a few things to try) i'm just not sure how to store the data so it's accessible to the data receive event, the end receive event, and the future to return it to the calling app Feb 05 21:16:05 attempting to pass the future around between them as an extra argument to the callbacks enyo-style doesn't seem to work Feb 05 21:19:31 EricBlade1: sorry I cannot help more with this right now Feb 05 21:20:24 its super bowl sunday, who works today in teh first place!?!? Feb 05 21:20:25 :p Feb 05 21:20:38 when the Lions make the Super Bowl, let mek now Feb 05 21:34:04 so precentral, er webosnation makes it sound like the end of the world for apps, all app developers are leaving webos for other platforms etc Feb 05 21:34:06 is that overstated? Feb 05 21:35:07 destinal: more like many webos devs are just widening there horizons Feb 05 21:35:28 I don't know if I would take that opinion, but I'm biased of course. Seems to me that devs that are porting their Enyo apps to other platforms might be starting with Enyo in the future and that's not going to preclude them from being on webOS Feb 05 21:39:17 destinal: do you mean the site articles, or users on the forum, make it sound that way? Feb 05 21:40:21 rwhitby: the latest palmcast kind of had that tone Feb 05 21:40:37 like, everyone's going away but we hope they come back Feb 05 21:41:11 I do think open source enyo will help in this regard Feb 05 21:43:40 rwhitby: there's a good article posted by a developer about how getting into webos was the best thing he ever did, got him two operating systems for the price of one in touchpad, now with enyo lets him write once with web technology stuff and publish to iphone, android, palm/hp all the same code Feb 05 21:44:25 misplaced the URL but awesome story Feb 05 21:46:23 destinal: a lot of devs are porting their apps to other platforms just because its so easy too, but they still are going to keep using enyo and that code-portability will hopefully attract new devs Feb 05 21:46:42 I think enyo ui 2 is needed before we really see people think about using it Feb 05 21:47:44 yeah well even enyo 1 does a pretty good job porting between platforms since almost everything now-a-days uses webkit Feb 05 21:49:00 halfhalo: yeah this was a developer who has all their stuff running in enyo on android and iOS Feb 05 21:53:41 w/ phonegap IIRC Feb 05 21:56:00 I actually though about doing that, but I keep running up against the fact that phonegap supports wp7 but enyo does not... which would just bug me Feb 05 21:56:40 ok, i've got my service now spewing "JS stack overflow" .. that can't be good. Feb 05 22:06:27 I agree, sounds bad Feb 05 22:09:01 WOOOOO that was easier than i was making it out to be Feb 05 22:09:11 * EricBlade1 gets way too excited about solving programming problems Feb 05 22:09:56 yay! Feb 05 22:27:52 hmm. it works with developer.palm.com, but it doesn't work with www.google.com Feb 05 23:00:27 wooow. Feb 05 23:00:30 this is embarassing. Feb 05 23:00:57 all that work i just did learning all of that stuff, and i put it to use to build a perfectly working workaround for a typo that it took me 5 months to see. Feb 05 23:51:58 ugh Feb 05 23:52:24 sorta dating 2 girls at the same time unintentionally really sucks. a decision has to be made :| Feb 05 23:53:45 dawm__: but how does webos enter into it? :P Feb 05 23:53:59 using webos to date 2 girls at once? Feb 05 23:54:01 i used to use my pre to text one of them? Feb 05 23:54:06 dawm__: lol kk Feb 05 23:54:18 destinal: synergy Feb 05 23:54:20 and then on my sprintified pre2 Feb 05 23:54:53 rwhitby: there's an awesome idea for a TV ad there somewhere Feb 06 00:44:41 Hello everyone. I own a Palm Pre Plus that I don't use anymore, because I have an Android phone now. I would love to run pure Debian/CentOS/Arch/whatever on it to use it as a mini homeserver. Does anyone know of any projects/howtos about this? Feb 06 01:08:17 i don't know anything about totally converting it, but the debian chroot is always a workable option i spose Feb 06 01:30:38 td hernandez Feb 06 01:34:50 * fxspec06 ! Feb 06 01:37:13 hmm.i can't submit app reviews **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 06 02:59:58 2012