**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 06 02:59:58 2012
Feb 06 03:22:20 <webOSnewbie> How can I make the app title in the launcher different from in the app window?
Feb 06 03:23:50 <destinal> sash_: easiest thing to do is probably just disable novasysmgr  (the gui) and use  optware to install whatever packages you needs
Feb 06 03:24:25 <destinal> sash_: totally redoing the root filesystem is possible just more work
Feb 06 03:33:51 <wrea> http://www.ebay.com/itm/California-Culinary-Academy-Student-Chef-Coat-Diploma-/260949786489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc1d1bf79#ht_1722wt_1270
Feb 06 04:20:39 <EricBlade> webOSnewbie: i believe there's something in either packageinfo.json or appinfo.json that will allow that, but i'm not sure what it is
Feb 06 04:20:53 <EricBlade> WOOO i've got a TouchPad that can download my Google Voicemail
Feb 06 04:22:33 <wrea> awesome
Feb 06 04:23:52 <EricBlade> cracking the nut to be able to download from secure sites might have interest to lots of people
Feb 06 04:29:44 <EricBlade> ...and now it can use the touchpad internal player to play it back.
Feb 06 04:30:27 <wrea> EricBlade, I see GVoice is mentioned in featured apps
Feb 06 04:44:10 <EricBlade> wrea: yeah, makes me happy :) although no links
Feb 06 04:47:33 <EricBlade> hmm. i just touched my touchpad and ipad together, and the touchpad launched the maps app and an empty dashboard notification.  wonder if it was going to show the iPad where to go
Feb 06 04:48:24 <EricBlade> actually, having left my touchpad in the car for several hours, i hope that im not going to have a condensation problem.  i'm definitely having a problem on the outside of the screen protector.  maybe i should power it off
Feb 06 04:55:35 <EricBlade> i need to figure out how i got this thing to work on Android earlier too, because I think I made a major breakthrough in that too
Feb 06 04:57:40 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: wait, what about touching the touchpad and the ipad together?
Feb 06 04:58:46 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: i have no idea what caused it, but i had my ipad on my lap, i wiped the condensation on the screen of the touchpad off, set it down on top of my ipad, and the maps app launched
Feb 06 04:58:59 <EricBlade> and there was a weird notification dashboard open as well that had nothing in it
Feb 06 04:59:05 <invalidopcode> hahah you should try to see if you can use that in an app :P
Feb 06 04:59:30 <EricBlade> my guess is it did some stuff while i was wiping it off, and it lagged
Feb 06 04:59:40 <invalidopcode> ah haha
Feb 06 05:19:58 <webOSnewbie> I got Classic working on my Pre 2!
Feb 06 05:20:31 <halfhalo> huzzah
Feb 06 05:36:54 <EricBlade> hooray you can run software as old as you are :D
Feb 06 05:37:45 <invalidopcode> hahahaha
Feb 06 05:39:35 <EricBlade> (the older you are the funnier that gets)
Feb 06 06:13:23 <Chuuu> Hello?
Feb 06 06:14:35 <Chuuu> I'm not sure if this is a right channel! but :< Im trying to understand stuff related to enterprise server management!
Feb 06 06:15:42 <Chuuu> I have only two company names! BMC and HP and Im asked to do a comparession and.. I know this isnt professional but since I didn't know what to compare! I thought maybe irc is helpful in this >_<;;;
Feb 06 06:18:51 <Chuuu> T_T' I dont like showing up in a server im not familiar with.. feels so weird like an intruder... I chu belong to Rizon >_<
Feb 06 06:18:57 * Chuuu pokes humans.
Feb 06 06:19:51 <invalidopcode> Chuuu: this channel is about developing webos apps....
Feb 06 06:20:06 <RagingMind> Chuuu, webOS does belong to HP, but it doesn't really go with their enterprise server stuff
Feb 06 06:20:36 <Chuuu> whats webos *_*.. mean..
Feb 06 06:21:15 <invalidopcode> Chuuu: webOS.... Palm, Pre, Touchpad?
Feb 06 06:22:11 <invalidopcode> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS
Feb 06 06:23:22 <Chuuu> Duno what the palm pre is but know what a touch pad is *_*..
Feb 06 06:24:00 <Chuuu> Ok,, I;ll search for another channel thank you so much and sorry for being an illiterate person!
Feb 06 06:24:17 <invalidopcode> no problem...
Feb 06 06:25:49 <Chuuu> Oh I know why i didnt get it! because I'm an iphone person!
Feb 06 06:26:19 <invalidopcode> ok...?
Feb 06 06:26:53 <Chuuu> nvm :p i sound like a retard now.. thanks invalidopcode ..
Feb 06 06:27:21 <invalidopcode> Chuuu: ok
Feb 06 06:34:52 <Chuuu> invalidopcode: wanna know something wierd but cool!
Feb 06 06:35:43 <invalidopcode> ..... sure?
Feb 06 06:38:18 <Chuuu> Look at your toes , if u see you big toe and the one next to it are equel height then know that you and your wife would be equally ruling the house! If the big toe is taller than you will rule if not then she will!
Feb 06 06:38:31 <Chuuu> Its something I heard once and is funny and somewhat think its true!
Feb 06 06:38:46 <Chuuu> I got mine equel and think me and hubby would rule equaly lol
Feb 06 06:38:48 <invalidopcode> ok... ?
Feb 06 06:38:57 <invalidopcode> Chuuu: how old are you?
Feb 06 06:39:07 <Chuuu> 25.
Feb 06 06:39:17 <invalidopcode> ah
Feb 06 06:50:08 <Chuuu> im not quite sure how old you are but :) atleast you got to know something u didnt!
Feb 06 06:50:57 <invalidopcode> haha ok
Feb 06 07:22:19 <Chuuu> bye :)
Feb 06 14:24:50 <mano> hey fxpec.....i have done this way..
Feb 06 14:25:08 <mano> name... , content.... , style...,
Feb 06 14:25:38 <mano> still it's giving me the same error...- cannot read property  margin
Feb 06 20:06:07 <panel> good evening gentlemans
Feb 06 20:28:45 <objectconstant> I am spreading the news about how much you all are cock suckers. thanks for being douches to me the other day for no reason you filthy shitnheads WEBOS SUCKS
Feb 06 20:29:09 <objectconstant> YUP THAT'S ALL I BEEN DOING ALL OVER THE NETS YOU FAGGOTS
Feb 06 20:31:35 <dawm__> lol what?
Feb 06 20:37:31 <destinal> lmao.  well he left, no need to silcnce him or ban him
Feb 06 20:37:46 <dawm__> that nickname wasnt in the logs either
Feb 06 20:37:53 <dawm__> so.. hah noobs
Feb 06 20:38:05 <SineOt> oooh what did I miss :3c
Feb 06 20:38:13 <sugardave> wth was that?
Feb 06 20:38:40 <destinal> SineOt: if you really care check the logs but some guy entered, spewed venom / filth directed at webos and left
Feb 06 20:38:46 <destinal> "objectconstant"
Feb 06 20:39:06 <SineOt> oooooh one of those types :3c
Feb 06 20:39:41 <destinal> SineOt: also on res.rr.com like you but austin TX rather than southern california
Feb 06 20:40:07 <SineOt> Well they always say to keep Austin weird, and bashing on webOS is pretty weird
Feb 06 20:40:36 <SineOt> (Too bad Austin didn't go through with the renaming of their trash service to the Fred Durst Society for the Arts, though)
Feb 06 20:41:00 <destinal> lol
Feb 06 20:41:03 <sugardave> he must be a transplant
Feb 06 20:42:39 <SineOt> Hey sugardave. How's HP treating you?
Feb 06 20:44:24 <sugardave> pretty good!  they still pay me :)
Feb 06 20:47:00 <SineOt> You getting wrangled in to all this Open webOS stuff?
Feb 06 20:47:13 <wrea> people want to keep Portland weird too. I dont think they have to worry about that though.
Feb 06 20:47:16 <SineOt> Gotta say that the idea of webOS on modern hardware is pretty awesome sounding.
Feb 06 20:50:45 <sugardave> SineOt: definitely, I am excited about our future :)
Feb 06 20:51:43 <SineOt> The idea of it on a laptop/netbook is oddly exciting too.
Feb 06 20:51:50 <Boopop> EricBlade: Would you be the guy who's making the subsonic app? :)
Feb 06 20:52:54 <EricBlade> Boopop: that's me
Feb 06 20:53:04 <Boopop> Ah well in that case
Feb 06 20:53:07 <Boopop> good job! :)
Feb 06 20:53:12 <Boopop> I'm looking forward to the full release
Feb 06 20:53:55 <EricBlade> me too. I think I'd have it out now had there not been a major emergency in GVoice causing dozens of people to not be able to login , but .. oh well.  Hopefully this next weekend
Feb 06 20:54:08 <Boopop> ah xD
Feb 06 20:54:12 <Boopop> Good luck with that then :)
Feb 06 20:54:32 <Boopop> I bumped your thread anyway - http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps/311040-xo-subsonic-media-player-webos.html
Feb 06 20:54:38 <Boopop> some others posted after too
Feb 06 20:55:42 <Boopop> I tried the android version of subsonic, but it was a bit ropey
Feb 06 20:55:53 <Boopop> however I figure that's more to do with CM9 being in alpha and such than the app itself
Feb 06 20:56:36 <SineOt> CM9 varies heavily depending on what hardware it's running on
Feb 06 21:04:08 <destinal> EricBlade: subsonic eh?  interesting, never played with it
Feb 06 21:07:15 <EricBlade> Boopop: there's a couple of big nasty bugs in it still that i really need to fix before i can put it out there.. and there's a bunch of stuff i want to add, although that might depend heavily on how it does in the catalog
Feb 06 21:07:41 <EricBlade> Boopop: what didn't you like about the android one? i sort of based mine on it to start with, and branched out from there
Feb 06 21:07:51 <Boopop> oh it was just a bit buggy
Feb 06 21:07:53 <Boopop> like I say
Feb 06 21:08:00 <Boopop> more CM9 than the app I think
Feb 06 21:08:16 <Boopop> like the sound goes crap when the screen is off, which is definitely a flaw of the CM9 build I'm running
Feb 06 21:08:27 <Boopop> plus after a few tracks it stopped downloading any more
Feb 06 21:08:32 <Boopop> again I reckon due to the alpha-ness
Feb 06 21:09:18 <Boopop> Oh, and cheers for the Naked Scientist podcasts! =D
Feb 06 21:09:27 <Boopop> I wasn't aware that that part of up all night was so long!
Feb 06 21:11:00 <destinal> EricBlade: tempting to put a subsonic server in  a car computer and control it with phone / tablet  (yeah I know it can stream over internet too but what if you lose internet)
Feb 06 21:11:19 <Necrosan> Boopop: that happens in all touchpad android
Feb 06 21:11:38 <Necrosan> had to lset my screen to always on to listen to pandora
Feb 06 21:12:26 <EricBlade> destinal: interesting idea.  webOS subsonic has a great Jukebox player
Feb 06 21:12:40 <EricBlade> and it's completely independent of the local player, as well
Feb 06 21:12:47 <Boopop> Really Necrosan ? That's terrible =/
Feb 06 21:12:52 <Boopop> oh
Feb 06 21:12:54 <Boopop> I read it wrong
Feb 06 21:13:03 <Boopop> I thought you'd said all tablet android xD
Feb 06 21:13:13 <Boopop> Yeah I thought it did that in all touchpad versions of android
Feb 06 21:13:20 <Boopop> hopefully they'll get round to fixing it at some point
Feb 06 21:13:49 <EricBlade> in Jukebox mode on subsonic, the server plays music .. and in XO, you can actually be playing music on your TouchPad (or phone), flip to jukebox mode, command the server to do things, and flip back to regular control, all without the music even stopping
Feb 06 21:14:14 <Boopop> Anyone else get a bit tired of the HP case being on their TP
Feb 06 21:14:22 <Boopop> I've taken to taking it off from time to time
Feb 06 21:14:37 <EricBlade> i can't see a way to get mine off of the touchpad without bending it further
Feb 06 21:14:52 <Boopop> ah, that's no good xD
Feb 06 21:15:05 <Boopop> what I don't like about the HP case is the stand flap
Feb 06 21:15:12 <Boopop> where it bends gets all crack-y
Feb 06 21:15:15 <Boopop> doesn't look right
Feb 06 21:15:21 <Boopop> makes it look like it's going to fall off
Feb 06 21:15:28 <EricBlade> but i did buy a crap ton of tablet cases from HP's case sale.  wish they had the stand-case cheaper though
Feb 06 21:15:52 <Boopop> Yeah I bought the touchstone for £15 on saturday
Feb 06 21:15:59 <EricBlade> the leather slip case is especially nice on iPad 2
Feb 06 21:15:59 <Boopop> just hope they don't cancel the order >.>
Feb 06 21:17:31 <Boopop> I really ought to get into app development
Feb 06 21:17:36 <Boopop> being a software dev and all
Feb 06 21:17:37 <Boopop> >.>
Feb 06 21:17:56 <SineOt> Boopop: sound issues with the screen off is often a kernel issue
Feb 06 21:18:31 <Boopop> Well I know what the kernel is and all but what does it mean for how long/whether it's likely to be fixed?
Feb 06 21:19:54 <SineOt> Like I said, depends on the hardware. Some of the kernels out there are just… Stupid. They'll go into idiotic screen off states and basically kill music playback without intending to.
Feb 06 21:20:23 <SineOt> There was one for the NS4G I saw that capped at 200mhz with the screen off regardless of what the phone was actually doing :I
Feb 06 21:20:42 <Boopop> xD Genius :P
Feb 06 21:21:26 <Boopop> Time to try some more BF3
Feb 06 21:21:32 <Boopop> I tried it for the first time on Saturday
Feb 06 21:21:34 <Boopop> it was OK
Feb 06 21:21:40 <Boopop> I'm finding Skyrim more fun xD
Feb 06 21:21:41 <Boopop> toodles
Feb 06 21:23:53 <SineOt> Bit odd question: Anyone tried pairing a Magic Trackpad with the Touchpad?
Feb 06 21:26:08 <EricBlade> Boopop: well if there's anything i can do for the subsonic program, let me know
Feb 06 21:31:35 <Boopop> Will do :)
Feb 06 21:40:15 <destinal> SineOt: I doubt there's support for bluetooth touch / pointing devices yet but in open webos it's something we'll be able to do I imagine
Feb 06 21:40:48 <destinal> mainly lacking hidd source code has been the stumbling block
Feb 06 21:58:45 <SineOt> destinal: interesting. I was kind of surprised when Android 4 paired fine with my magic trackpad and even went so far as to support full multitouch on it
Feb 06 21:58:50 <SineOt> I'd love to see that in webOS at some point
Feb 06 22:02:46 <SineOt> 419gb in one week over 3G: Insanity at its finest
Feb 06 22:05:03 <destinal> SineOt: wow
Feb 06 22:05:19 <destinal> SineOt: but how can you tell where you are touching on the screen then?
Feb 06 22:05:30 <SineOt> destinal: some guy in Russia did it, and apparently won a prize package worth about 33 grand :p
Feb 06 22:05:41 <SineOt> destinal: webOS-eqsue little touch indicators.
Feb 06 22:06:12 <SineOt> One larger one if it's a single/two finger gesture, which then splits into smaller dots mapped out to your finger tips. It's kind of a cool effect to see
Feb 06 22:06:13 <destinal> SineOt: nice, I've thought about doing that for years with webos, even asked for hidd source code to make it happen but Palm and then HP wouldn't part with it
Feb 06 22:06:30 <SineOt> a big dot that splits into two smaller ones when you do a pinch to zoom gesture, that sort of thing
Feb 06 22:07:02 <SineOt> Haven't really found any apps that need more fingers than that, but it's cool to watch 10 little dots wiggle around everywhere
Feb 06 22:07:07 <destinal> SineOt: stupid closed source for no good reason thing
Feb 06 22:07:09 <SineOt> it even did two finger scrolling!
Feb 06 22:08:02 <SineOt> destinal: yeah I've been using MIUI on my NS4G and there's so much stuff that's closed for no real reason it's kind infuriating
Feb 06 22:09:45 <destinal> do you think people sit up and go oh my god, we can't let anyone have this code for handling input peripherals!  Someone might go and add .. uh .. input peripherals!
Feb 06 22:10:03 <SineOt> destinal: yes :I
Feb 06 22:10:32 <destinal> SineOt: I started reverse engineering it but my skills are not sharp enough yet
Feb 06 22:10:49 <destinal> we got a hidd plugin working that plugs in and prints hello world but that's it
Feb 06 22:11:15 <SineOt> destinal: yeah, I've run into that too! Android stuff goes into this weird java byte code assembly stuff and I just kind of clapped and said I'm out at that point. Really made me miss some of the app tweaks on webOS that were simple to do
Feb 06 22:24:39 <Boopop> EricBlade: Somehow the stuff on your Subsonic is the only consistently working way of streaming audio from the internet on my TP - iPlayer radio always seems a bit hit and miss
Feb 06 22:24:44 <Boopop> anyway, time for bed
Feb 06 22:24:46 <Boopop> night all
Feb 06 22:25:04 <Boopop> Subsonic server* even
Feb 06 23:51:44 <fxspec06> http://t.co/CKZpRkuV << i assume you all saw
Feb 06 23:55:35 <fxspec06> wow. so NOW hp decides to move webos into their own building
Feb 06 23:55:45 <fxspec06> i mean, not that i know anything about the situation.
Feb 06 23:56:04 <fxspec06> or that i would know better if i were HP.
Feb 06 23:56:15 <halfhalo> ?
Feb 06 23:56:27 <halfhalo> palm has always had their own
Feb 06 23:56:34 <fxspec06> but you would think that they would have done this as soon as they integrated
Feb 06 23:56:51 <wrea> before they filled up the buildings
Feb 06 23:57:19 <wrea> with half the staff, 3 buildings are too much
Feb 06 23:57:51 <halfhalo> oh, you mean they are moving buildings
Feb 06 23:57:51 <halfhalo> ah
Feb 06 23:58:09 <fxspec06> yes
Feb 06 23:58:12 <fxspec06> http://www.webosnation.com/hp-shuffle-webos-group-out-palm-campus-sending-cupertino-exclusive
Feb 07 00:00:08 <halfhalo> on the plus side, that would mean no more 5 minute walk to the software people.  on the minus, the palm campus was awesome
Feb 07 00:00:51 <halfhalo> + to --
Feb 07 00:06:38 <EricBlade> "These 3 buildings aren't good enough for you.  Let's move you all to one.  And we'll move another department in to take your old space."
Feb 07 00:07:09 <halfhalo> I'm betting its only going to be 2 buildings they move into
Feb 07 00:09:02 <dwc-> no, moving people right after an acquisition is a little pointless
Feb 07 00:11:57 <dwc-> so much more important things to do than deal with the logistics of a building move
Feb 07 00:14:52 <wrea> Yeah, building moves seem like a nightmare. I left the refinery before they were doing a big building move. There were big problems before they were even close with a move. I'd hate to know what happened when it actually happened
Feb 07 00:17:30 <fxspec06> heh ok i can see that
Feb 07 00:19:55 <wrea> Originally they were planning on only one or two printers on each floor, then later they had to figure out where to put more since there wasnt any other space for more
Feb 07 00:26:40 <fxspec06> why not build a printer cabinet. or a printer room
Feb 07 00:29:51 <wrea> because they found out after most of it was built
Feb 07 00:30:54 <wrea> the city wouldnt allow 3 stories, so they crammed the same amount into 2, so no extra rooms or anything to use for extra printer space
Feb 07 00:34:49 <fxspec06> well why doesn't the city just build a printer room for them
Feb 07 00:36:28 <rwhitby> I walked through the Palm buildings.  Isolated groups, with large empty spaces between them.  Not conducive to collaboration.
Feb 07 00:41:04 <halfhalo> logically, the move is a good idea.  might not be the best timing, but moving everyone together can't hurt
Feb 07 00:44:04 <wrea> fxspec06, i think the multi-billion dollar company should be building the city a printer room, not the other way around.
Feb 07 00:56:42 <ka6sox> wrea, which refinery?
Feb 07 00:58:22 <wrea> ka6sox, Shell's in Martinez, CA
Feb 07 00:58:43 <ka6sox> I worked @ El Segundo for a while.
Feb 07 00:58:58 <ka6sox> er...25+yrs ago.
Feb 07 01:00:34 <wrea> What'd you do there?
Feb 07 01:01:13 <ka6sox> Telecom
Feb 07 01:01:33 <ka6sox> everything that communicates...unless it was I&E
Feb 07 01:02:46 <wrea> Ah, cool
Feb 07 01:05:20 <wrea> The refinery dates back to early last century, so for most of the time i as there there were shelters in the units, so every now and then i had to go in. Was pretty cool
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