**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 15 02:59:57 2012 Feb 15 03:00:03 there are some things that CAN be done, that people just don't do Feb 15 03:00:26 odd Feb 15 03:00:49 maybe i should've phrased that "there are lots of things that CAN be done but that doesn't mean they SHOULD be done" Feb 15 03:01:50 i don't know what the K team has been up to the last couple years, but other than having some really flashy icons, just hearing the name "KDE" brings to mind endless frustration in dealing with a UI that wanted to make sense but couldn't. Feb 15 03:04:17 huh. qt appears to be building Feb 15 03:04:32 it's actually an application building Feb 15 03:04:35 ...framework Feb 15 03:05:44 thingy Feb 15 04:08:30 really hard to get a touchpad sold these days Feb 15 04:11:35 cranky1, whats the going price these days anyway? Feb 15 04:12:05 low Feb 15 04:12:27 had it for 200 with case and touchstone and no one wanted it Feb 15 04:13:00 want to get the asus prime Feb 15 04:13:33 I got mine for $220 Feb 15 04:13:36 refurbished Feb 15 04:13:37 :( Feb 15 04:13:54 overpaid Feb 15 04:14:19 I got it for 100.00 Feb 15 04:14:50 i don't see why HP thought they could sell them for $500 Feb 15 04:33:34 well I didn't have any options at the time Feb 15 04:33:43 I also paid more to get the accessories Feb 15 04:34:05 $500 was a stupid price because people would rather buy the iPad Feb 15 05:35:37 EricBlade: KDE has its own tablet UI now Feb 15 05:38:57 whats this? qt4 built? Feb 15 05:41:26 yeah plasma active Feb 15 05:41:44 http://plasma-active.org/ Feb 15 05:42:02 i got it to kindof run in archlinux on my touchpad Feb 15 05:44:49 am i just missing something or are there no instructions on how to build isis? Feb 15 05:45:01 nope, theres not Feb 15 05:45:32 ah ok Feb 15 05:49:21 It's own tablet UI? Serious? Feb 15 05:49:23 :o Feb 15 05:50:11 last updated 2011 Feb 15 05:50:12 that's old hat Feb 15 05:50:49 2011? thats so 2001. Feb 15 05:57:52 srsly Feb 15 06:02:28 We can't let Syria fall to the Americans Feb 15 06:16:18 lahestani: last updated 5:29pm.... today https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/plasma-mobile/activity Feb 15 06:21:19 I wonder if KDE can replace Android on my mobile Feb 15 06:22:14 haha Feb 15 06:22:49 I'd rather do webOS or something like that on my mobile Feb 15 06:23:09 The way I look at it is that Android uses apps written in its native language, like Java Feb 15 06:23:27 iOS uses apps written in C probably Feb 15 06:23:38 KDE is C++; these are all barriers to development Feb 15 06:26:57 ah Feb 15 06:27:45 the only better thing about webOS and android are that their apps aren't as tied to the OS as iOS app are Feb 15 06:27:58 *one of the things, not the only thing :P Feb 15 06:30:05 Apple wants it all Feb 15 06:30:16 plasma active is kind of hard to activate Feb 15 06:30:24 i've never really bothered with trying it for that reason Feb 15 06:30:32 * SoulShadow refers to the convo 30 minutes ago Feb 15 06:33:15 hahah Feb 15 06:33:34 i got it to start up automatically on my touchpad Feb 15 06:33:44 (as an option in mboot) Feb 15 06:33:57 mboot :o Feb 15 06:34:43 does all this multi boot shiznit require modifying the partitions on the flash Feb 15 06:35:11 lahestani: probably only in the LVM Feb 15 06:35:25 i can't remember the last time i booted webos ;x Feb 15 06:37:22 SoulShadow: What are you running now Feb 15 06:37:41 ICS Feb 15 06:37:48 oh sweet Feb 15 06:37:52 Does it run well on the Touchpad? Feb 15 06:37:57 Full hardware support? Feb 15 06:38:44 ICS runs quite well actually Feb 15 06:38:49 hardware accel is missing Feb 15 06:38:50 for videos Feb 15 06:38:59 they haven't managed to fix OMX yet Feb 15 06:38:59 but they don't have hardware acceleration Feb 15 06:39:08 ^ what SoulShadow said Feb 15 06:39:26 mxplayer can play almost everything though Feb 15 06:39:29 all software Feb 15 06:41:04 That's interesting Feb 15 06:41:11 but webOS is so damn cool Feb 15 06:41:31 is there any way I can inspect the partitian table using wterm Feb 15 06:42:04 'cool'? Feb 15 06:42:07 what is 'cool'? Feb 15 06:42:42 does LVM work in wterm? Feb 15 06:42:48 if so then yes Feb 15 06:43:10 I don't understand how LVM works on Linux Feb 15 06:43:14 I'm oldschool like that Feb 15 06:43:26 microsoft wants to make the bluescreen look "friendlier" ... a bluescreen's a bluescreen no matter how pretty Feb 15 06:44:34 just like a kernel panic is a kernel panic Feb 15 06:44:44 i just want relevant blue screen info saved in a screenshot on my desktop Feb 15 06:44:46 personally. Feb 15 06:45:05 ok I get it Feb 15 06:45:09 actually... their are tools you can use to look up the bluescreen information Feb 15 06:45:14 store-media is the partition for all the crap Feb 15 06:45:17 yes Feb 15 06:45:19 google, invalidopcode :p Feb 15 06:45:32 but where do the apps go Feb 15 06:45:44 like BlueScreenView and the Microsoft Official one :P Feb 15 06:46:51 why are the same devices mounted like a billion times Feb 15 07:41:39 hey EricBlade, did you see that gvoice was featured in this months magazine on the touchpad? Feb 15 07:49:50 hey invalidopcode Feb 15 07:53:52 morning Feb 15 07:55:54 hey swisstomcat Feb 15 07:55:59 long time no see Feb 15 07:56:01 hey Feb 15 07:56:17 yeah .. i'm trying to be more active again tho :) Feb 15 07:56:44 that's good :) Feb 15 07:57:43 * PatrickC is deciding whether to get an iTouch or mac :) Feb 15 07:58:16 but, I'm off to sleep Feb 15 07:58:18 night all Feb 15 08:03:40 he gets neither for calling it an itouch. Feb 15 08:18:23 halfhalo, indeed Feb 15 09:36:05 fuuuucking AM PM *beep* Feb 15 09:36:25 this *beep* makes no sense Feb 15 09:36:58 day start and end?? what the *beep* is that? Feb 15 09:37:18 why cant it show correct *beeping* dates for just once:/ Feb 15 09:41:18 its right every 24hrs :D Feb 15 09:41:58 :D Feb 15 09:42:10 holly shmolly i found a switch for it Feb 15 09:42:28 im sure its new Feb 15 09:43:17 but then, i was sure i got it *right, this time* every time i tried to add something to the calendar ... Feb 15 09:43:36 back to bed Feb 15 09:50:04 ok .... Feb 15 10:08:04 awesome Feb 15 11:13:44 hello. is flash supported in webos applications? i tryied to integrate a flash coverflow in enyo app, it works when i test it in google chrome, but it displays nothing on application, on hp toucpad Feb 15 11:20:17 hello. is flash supported in webos applications? i tryied to integrate a flash coverflow in enyo app, it works when i test it in google chrome, but it displays nothing on application, on hp toucpad Feb 15 11:33:34 hi burg Feb 15 11:33:42 i`ve found my answer, it seems that it is not possible. anyway, how do you suggest i should implement such coverflow? because rotate and refrections are buggy or not working at all Feb 15 11:33:44 flash is only supported in webviews Feb 15 11:33:49 hello swisstomcat Feb 15 11:33:52 and remote hosted Feb 15 11:34:07 swisstomcat, so not good for my application Feb 15 11:34:18 so if you have a webview that displays remote swf, that should work Feb 15 11:34:42 it's more a license issue with adobe i think than a technical limitation Feb 15 11:35:23 swisstomcat, i need my application to work also when there is no connection to internet Feb 15 11:35:59 swisstomcat, do you have any suggestion on how should i implement that? since flash is not working and css animations are buggy Feb 15 20:18:15 who ever runs @palmupdate Feb 15 20:18:23 needs to stop 'following' me every other week Feb 15 20:18:31 follow or not.. but stop already Feb 15 20:21:01 lol Feb 15 20:29:08 lol Feb 15 20:36:09 so, I just bought a dual booting Touchpad off eBay—and I'm super happy to have it and look forward to deving on WebOS soon Feb 15 20:36:11 but... Feb 15 20:36:14 I can't create an account :/ Feb 15 20:36:25 I contacted support, and they said to download webOS Doctor Feb 15 20:36:32 but... Feb 15 20:36:46 it requires an account: http://ws.hpwebos.com/webosdoctor/hpserialnumberinitial.htm Feb 15 20:36:48 so... Feb 15 20:36:52 is there another option? Feb 15 20:37:01 for creating an account that is? Feb 15 20:37:22 is it possible that this used device is tied to the earlier owners account, and he'd have to disable it somehow? Feb 15 20:37:24 what's the error you're getting? Feb 15 20:37:36 one second... Feb 15 20:37:57 (and you can always download the doctor here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions#Wifi_Only) Feb 15 20:38:07 "We are unable to create an account for you. Please try again in a few minutes or contact HP for help resolving this problem. Visit http://hpwebos.com/support for more information." Feb 15 20:38:14 swisstomcat: much thanks Feb 15 20:38:17 do you see an error at the bottom? Feb 15 20:38:33 like the error code? Feb 15 20:38:36 yeah Feb 15 20:38:41 yeah, I've seen it, but didn't write it down Feb 15 20:38:43 let me try again Feb 15 20:38:45 (sorry) Feb 15 20:38:46 ok Feb 15 20:39:04 and thanks. :) Feb 15 20:39:06 * bigbluehat gets the code Feb 15 20:39:26 it's odd that the support rep didn't ask for that :/ Feb 15 20:39:33 yeah Feb 15 20:40:05 but you know how support is these days .. some poor guy in india or who knows where Feb 15 20:40:44 Well her name was Lauren…but yeah :) Feb 15 20:40:54 yeah and the guys in India are all named "Bill". Feb 15 20:41:00 :) Feb 15 20:41:10 they get a new English name each day, actually Feb 15 20:41:14 ;) Feb 15 20:41:16 hehe Feb 15 20:41:23 * EricBlade emulates thick Indian accent, "Hi my name is Bill." Feb 15 20:41:37 yeah…there's usally a pause before "Bill" Feb 15 20:41:51 which game me the idea that it's given to them at random Feb 15 20:41:55 maybe upon each cal Feb 15 20:41:57 *call Feb 15 20:42:00 * bigbluehat hadn't thot of that Feb 15 20:42:03 …this is bleak :) Feb 15 20:42:08 OK. the thing's up Feb 15 20:42:09 one moment Feb 15 20:42:30 fwiw, it'd be fabulous if the account thing came later Feb 15 20:42:39 and I could git right in and click the preinstalled stuff Feb 15 20:42:58 so I'd be sooo super happy to have the new toy that I'd eagerly give up my e-mail address, etc Feb 15 20:44:50 k error code: Feb 15 20:44:56 swisstomcat: [PAMS3041] Feb 15 20:45:32 hmm…getting a lot of "demo unit" related stuff in google Feb 15 20:47:41 "invalid device model, no product sku available" Feb 15 20:48:22 so a visit to the doctor might be a good first step .. to have a clean device Feb 15 20:48:25 right (per google just now) Feb 15 20:48:30 k... Feb 15 20:48:38 download the .jar from the link above Feb 15 20:48:44 and then java -jar xyz.jar Feb 15 20:48:49 that should do it Feb 15 20:49:15 so this is all setup with CyanogenMod and ClockworkMod and thus has a "WebOS Recovery" option on boot Feb 15 20:49:25 I'm guessing I use that with the TouchPad plugged in Feb 15 20:49:34 after doing the java -jar thing above? Feb 15 20:49:41 does that option boot to a big usb symbol? Feb 15 20:49:42 or "when" doing it Feb 15 20:49:46 yep :) Feb 15 20:49:52 which scared me to death :/ Feb 15 20:49:56 yeah, do that first and then run the doctor Feb 15 20:49:57 I had it plugged into the wall Feb 15 20:50:11 it should then recognize the device and reflash it Feb 15 20:50:13 and there was no info (on the screen) on how to get out of it Feb 15 20:50:13 k Feb 15 20:50:25 will that kill the dual booting stuff? Feb 15 20:50:33 or should I ask that elsewhere? :) Feb 15 20:50:42 yeah, you'll have to run acmeinstaller again afterwards Feb 15 20:50:49 no big deal tho Feb 15 20:51:07 k…I'll go lookup how to do that Feb 15 20:51:19 tnx swisstomcat Feb 15 20:51:25 np Feb 15 20:51:47 btw, is there an "Open webOS UX" discussion channel, mailing list, group setup yet? Feb 15 20:51:55 I'd love to at least troll there :) Feb 15 20:52:04 not that i know of .. why? Feb 15 20:52:14 I'm a UX Engineer Feb 15 20:52:21 nice Feb 15 20:52:26 I got the TouchPad 'cause it's "opening" Feb 15 20:52:31 and I can dual boot it Feb 15 20:52:38 (maybe triple if/when Mer is ready) Feb 15 20:52:40 you might be able to contribute to the framework UX Feb 15 20:52:51 check out enyojs.com Feb 15 20:52:55 yeah, I'd love to at least watch it develop and contribute where I can Feb 15 20:52:57 yeah…saw that Feb 15 20:53:01 not trolling there yet tho ;) Feb 15 20:53:08 feels a bit like QML in some ways Feb 15 20:53:10 just in JS Feb 15 20:53:18 well…QML does JS Feb 15 20:53:26 haven't seen QML Feb 15 20:53:33 troll in #mer sometime :) Feb 15 20:53:46 it's basically a core linux OS that "boots to QML" Feb 15 20:53:50 QT Markup Language Feb 15 20:53:53 oh, ok Feb 15 20:54:02 it's what I hope to run on my raspberrypi.com…next month :) Feb 15 20:54:19 definitly check out webos-internals.org Feb 15 20:54:28 yeah, appreciated the link there Feb 15 20:54:29 most helpful Feb 15 20:54:38 it's a friendly community Feb 15 20:56:28 those are my favorite :) Feb 15 20:56:34 this one's off to a good start :) Feb 15 20:56:42 btw, if you're looking for other friendly communities, checkout #couchdb Feb 15 20:56:47 I do more than troll there :D Feb 15 20:56:56 also, just found this promising post: http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/34025-webos-doctor-doesnt-touch-cm7-install-partitions/page__pid__253644#entry253644 Feb 15 20:57:00 the community exists since 2009, actually Feb 15 20:57:28 yeah, it doesn't touch them, but the moboot doesn't come up automatically after a doctor Feb 15 20:57:52 do you have CM7 or CM9? Feb 15 20:58:04 yeah, I've got a friend who built "DrPodder": https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.drnull.drpodder Feb 15 20:58:10 DrNull Feb 15 20:58:24 he's always spken highly of the devs/community Feb 15 20:58:28 i think i've heard of DrPodder Feb 15 20:58:31 hmm…I'll have to check on teh CM ver Feb 15 20:58:37 yeah, hoping to try it soon Feb 15 20:58:41 not sure he's still hacking on it much Feb 15 20:58:45 he built it when he got his Pre Feb 15 20:58:48 does it look like gingerbread? Feb 15 20:58:56 (the CM you have) Feb 15 20:59:29 yeah, looks like gingerbread (from the screens I've seen) Feb 15 20:59:39 CM7 then Feb 15 20:59:55 i've never seen CM7 as a good match for a tablet (ux wise) Feb 15 21:00:10 CM9 (ice cream sandwich based) is much better in that regard Feb 15 21:00:13 yeah, it feels like a large phone UI to be sure Feb 15 21:00:31 yeah. that's where I want to end up Feb 15 21:00:38 guessing now's as good a time as any :-P Feb 15 21:01:03 but…that's definitely a conversation for a different channel :) Feb 15 21:08:22 *rambling* HP should fight the Gov decision against the PalmPad name and use it for their currently mythical 2013 Open webOS tablet Feb 15 21:10:13 RagingMind: I think they should bring the folio name back Feb 15 21:10:15 personally Feb 15 21:10:37 but TouchPad 2 is likely best :) Feb 15 21:24:11 swisstomcat: same issue :( [PAMS3041] Feb 15 21:24:23 hmm, that's odd Feb 15 21:24:57 yeah... Feb 15 21:26:04 any other guesses? :/ Feb 15 21:26:48 * bigbluehat is gettin' good with this keyboard! Feb 15 21:26:56 looks like you got a demo unit Feb 15 21:27:01 but i found this Feb 15 21:27:02 http://rootzwiki.com/topic/3846-guide-turning-a-demo-unit-into-a-fully-functional-retail-unit/ Feb 15 21:28:53 swisstomcat: you rock. :) Feb 15 21:28:54 * bigbluehat reads Feb 15 21:29:33 looks like those demo units have a different SKU Feb 15 21:34:29 swisstomcat: so far so good! Feb 15 21:35:17 +1 Feb 15 21:48:05 yeah…tedious…but it's working, I think :) Feb 15 21:50:38 swisstomcat: stuck on the testing feeds bit Feb 15 21:50:44 says I need to do it via the command line Feb 15 21:50:51 but it's (deliberately?) sparse on details Feb 15 21:50:56 hold on Feb 15 21:51:06 k. much thanks :) Feb 15 21:51:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Feb 15 21:51:34 they want everyone to be sure what they're up to when enabling the testing feeds Feb 15 21:51:36 yeah…that's where I'm at Feb 15 21:51:46 you don't need the testing feeds for any of that Feb 15 21:51:54 for any of what? Feb 15 21:52:09 I'm in Step 3.3 of this guide: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/3846-guide-turning-a-demo-unit-into-a-fully-functional-retail-unit/ Feb 15 21:52:11 for any of what you are doing Feb 15 21:52:17 trying to de-demo my "new" Touchpad Feb 15 21:52:26 rwhitby: woot! do tell :) Feb 15 21:52:27 (I'm the Preware and Impostah developer) Feb 15 21:52:35 yo! :) Feb 15 21:52:37 nice to meet you Feb 15 21:52:46 ignore step 3.3 and continue with the rest as-is Feb 15 21:52:52 perfect Feb 15 21:53:07 ah, because impostah is no longer in testing ... didn't think of that Feb 15 21:53:17 you can also use meta-doctor to make that token change permanent. Feb 15 21:53:23 but that's a different procedure Feb 15 21:54:30 k. I'll run with this as I'm mostly here :) Feb 15 21:54:35 * bigbluehat hopes Feb 15 21:55:33 rwhitby: searching for "device service override" in Preware got no results Feb 15 21:55:38 Step 3.6 Feb 15 21:56:20 what version of webOS is the device running? Feb 15 21:56:29 (see the Device Info app_ Feb 15 21:56:45 should be 3.0.5 as I just used the Doc on it Feb 15 21:57:07 yeah, 3.0.5 Feb 15 21:57:13 I do have Impostah installed Feb 15 21:57:53 there's a "Device Profile Overrides" in there Feb 15 21:58:18 and it looks like I can override the (HP)serialNumber Feb 15 21:58:34 thinkin' this is it :) Feb 15 22:00:15 hmm? Feb 15 22:00:18 10. Then in the “New Override” field, hit “attribute” with the small arrow to bring up the list. Select “productSku” from the list. Feb 15 22:00:18 11. In the “Value” field it should have some text like “FB464UA#ABA”. Click on that text and change it to FB359UA#ABA and then select “Set Override”. Feb 15 22:00:26 yep, just done Feb 15 22:00:31 now to (re)register :) Feb 15 22:01:12 my understanding is that the override from impostah won't actually work unless you install the patch from preware Feb 15 22:01:13 hmm…maybe I need to reboot Feb 15 22:01:19 getting a 0 error :/ Feb 15 22:01:29 RagingMind: hmm…good to know Feb 15 22:02:46 RagingMind: is that patch still in the testing feeds? Feb 15 22:04:58 restarting for the hey of it... Feb 15 22:05:52 let me check Feb 15 22:05:59 k…guess I'm back to needing command line access...maybe Feb 15 22:06:00 tnx swisstomcat Feb 15 22:07:53 so I'm in the command line Feb 15 22:09:00 I see the patch in my preware and I don't have the beta-patch feed enabled Feb 15 22:09:10 it's in the public feeds Feb 15 22:09:12 i don't see the patch .. hmm Feb 15 22:09:30 I installed Preware via webOS Quick Installer Feb 15 22:09:32 * bigbluehat gets version Feb 15 22:09:45 1.9.10 Feb 15 22:09:55 same here Feb 15 22:09:58 screenshot your manage feeds page showing the webos-patches feed URL Feb 15 22:10:28 webos-patches ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/3.0.5 ON Feb 15 22:10:53 it's a the bottom of the list Feb 15 22:11:17 yep, same here Feb 15 22:11:19 exact match Feb 15 22:11:23 and it's been on Feb 15 22:11:26 fwiw Feb 15 22:12:30 what's Luna Manager do? Feb 15 22:12:49 i see 81 patches for 3.0.5 .. does that sound about right? Feb 15 22:13:04 where do you see those? Feb 15 22:13:11 there it is .. device profile service override Feb 15 22:13:24 how'd you get that list? Feb 15 22:13:27 select "available packages" Feb 15 22:13:35 hmm…that's disabled for me Feb 15 22:13:35 then switch to "feeds" below Feb 15 22:13:52 webos patches Feb 15 22:13:54 system Feb 15 22:14:24 so in the feeds list webos-patches is on Feb 15 22:14:47 "update feeds" ? Feb 15 22:14:51 tried... Feb 15 22:15:00 pref's sais "last update = never" :/ Feb 15 22:15:00 * rwhitby suspects no network connection Feb 15 22:15:14 bah Feb 15 22:15:16 good grif :( Feb 15 22:15:27 search for device profile service override Feb 15 22:15:28 bit hard to download packages without a network connection Feb 15 22:15:30 I've set it up so many times during the reg process attempts Feb 15 22:15:41 rwhitby: yeah... Feb 15 22:15:42 hehe Feb 15 22:15:50 just done it so many times…didn't realize I hadn't done it this once Feb 15 22:15:54 good grif... Feb 15 22:16:15 it's the obvious things that you usually miss ... murphy's law Feb 15 22:16:20 ***really*** sorry guys Feb 15 22:16:30 yeah…"computer unplugged" :-P Feb 15 22:16:52 the confusing thing was that "something" animates and acts like it's updating something Feb 15 22:16:59 when you click "update feeds"—likely just the local list Feb 15 22:17:17 it'd be nice if it threw a "hey idiot turn on your wifi" error :D Feb 15 22:17:24 rwhitby: ^^ what'dya think? Feb 15 22:17:29 :) whoulda helped me Feb 15 22:17:45 bigbluehat: github.com/webos-internals/preware ... Feb 15 22:17:56 :) Feb 15 22:17:57 pull requests encouraged Feb 15 22:18:13 haha, rwhitby throws me in the deep end :) Feb 15 22:18:23 how 'bout I file an issue…for now Feb 15 22:18:45 I do UI, but am new to webOS Feb 15 22:19:00 touchpad's restarting Feb 15 22:19:04 let's get your touchpad working Feb 15 22:19:04 * bigbluehat crosses all his fingers Feb 15 22:19:09 all 11? Feb 15 22:19:13 first things first :) Feb 15 22:19:14 heh Feb 15 22:19:17 seriously... Feb 15 22:20:00 :D Feb 15 22:20:06 "Success" never looked so good :D Feb 15 22:20:27 cool…it used Jabber to do the reg? very nice Feb 15 22:21:29 woot! in the app catalog Feb 15 22:21:31 good times Feb 15 22:21:40 w00t! Feb 15 22:21:51 swisstomcat: rwhitby: RagingMind: you guys are amazing Feb 15 22:22:06 seriously one of the best IRC channel experiences I've had Feb 15 22:22:09 * swisstomcat bows Feb 15 22:22:12 :) Feb 15 22:22:23 * bigbluehat has 30+ IRC channels open most days if that gives it more weight Feb 15 22:23:02 so now we want to see some apps Feb 15 22:23:05 :) Feb 15 22:23:32 swisstomcat: indeed :) Feb 15 22:23:50 I'll be trolling here, so feel free to nag ;) Feb 15 22:23:54 but hopefully you'll not have to Feb 15 22:24:09 bigbluehat, you should check out wirc ;) Feb 15 22:24:19 in the app catalog? Feb 15 22:24:28 no worries, we have a troll-plonker ready to use Feb 15 22:24:34 Adium's sort of tearing at the seams at this point Feb 15 22:24:37 :) Feb 15 22:24:44 #couchdb used to have a bot named Monty Feb 15 22:24:53 he mostly just said stupid stuff every now and then and when you logged in Feb 15 22:25:00 it at least let you know who the trolls were Feb 15 22:25:04 as they'd often reply :) Feb 15 22:25:36 there's also a free version in preware Feb 15 22:25:42 nice Feb 15 22:25:44