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Feb 16 03:04:46 <wrea> minego, I've been processing a roll of film, but its drying now so I can go take a look :)
Feb 16 03:05:22 <minego> wrea: Cool. Let me know what ya think.
Feb 16 06:24:28 <lahestani> How much does automatic email checking really kill your battery?
Feb 16 06:29:02 <r9s> really
Feb 16 06:30:20 <lahestani> really very?
Feb 16 06:30:26 <lahestani> And how often is "as messages arrive"
Feb 16 06:30:34 <lahestani> I assume it's polling the server
Feb 16 06:32:03 <invalidopcode> yeah... no push notifications... yet :)
Feb 16 06:32:11 <nieve> if it's doing imap idle it wouldn't be as bad as polling, but I've been unimpressed by how well that's actually handled
Feb 16 06:32:31 <nieve> and obviously it doesn't hop access points that well
Feb 16 06:32:40 <lahestani> but I mean does that mean it's polling like every minute or every few seconds
Feb 16 06:32:42 <lahestani> it sounds deadly
Feb 16 06:32:57 <lahestani> imap idle sounds like the way to go
Feb 16 06:33:17 <nieve> I leave it on for my touchpad and it doesn't destroy my battery at all - I can leave it at home all day and battery will have barely budged
Feb 16 06:33:20 <EricBlade> good evening everyone
Feb 16 06:33:23 <nieve> that's four four gmail accounts
Feb 16 06:33:30 <invalidopcode> good evening EricBlade
Feb 16 06:33:30 <rwhitby> "as messages arrive" == imap idle
Feb 16 06:33:45 <nieve> however that's also wifi, not cell data
Feb 16 06:33:50 <r9s> EricBlade: good morning :D
Feb 16 06:34:03 <EricBlade> whats the story of the day? why isn't Isis compiled yet? slackers. :)
Feb 16 06:34:04 <r9s> it's 7:33 AM here
Feb 16 06:34:06 <nieve> rwhitby: ah, thanks - that was my understanding as well.  my comment on actual handling is that a lot of clients do idle poorly
Feb 16 06:34:13 * EricBlade is just kidding, of course
Feb 16 06:34:14 <rwhitby> nieve: agreed
Feb 16 06:34:30 <rwhitby> EricBlade: haven't you installed it yet? it's in the pre-alpha feed
Feb 16 06:34:50 <nieve> now Project Macaw, that absolutely destroyed my battery  :(
Feb 16 06:34:55 <invalidopcode> rwhitby: theres a pre-alpha feed?
Feb 16 06:35:03 <invalidopcode> nieve: complain to PatrickC_Away
Feb 16 06:35:09 <halfhalo> its the unicorn feed
Feb 16 06:35:29 <lahestani> the next question I ask myself is do I really want my e-mails to be notified all the time
Feb 16 06:35:30 <nieve> invalidopcode: I probably should, but given that I was too busy to do any useful diagnosis I didn't want to just be another drive-by whiner?
Feb 16 06:35:35 <lahestani> I already get that on my mobile
Feb 16 06:35:41 <lahestani> it might just end up being more stress overall
Feb 16 06:35:42 <lahestani> haha
Feb 16 06:35:47 <nieve> hmm, filtering on what notifies might be interesting
Feb 16 06:35:49 <invalidopcode> nieve: ah haha
Feb 16 06:36:16 <lahestani> what is Project Macaw
Feb 16 06:36:19 <nieve> though I guess you could do the same by forwarding copies of everything to an account that filtered out all but the ones you wanted notification on, then turning off notification on the res
Feb 16 06:36:33 <EricBlade> rwhitby: i think my password to that got emailed to the wrong address
Feb 16 06:36:38 <invalidopcode> lahestani: its a twitter client
Feb 16 06:36:39 <nieve> a really nice twitter client in Preware, the only issue I saw was the battery drain and that'll get fixed
Feb 16 06:36:45 <rwhitby> invalidopcode: yes, instead of touch enable-alpha-feeds, you touch enable-unicorn-rainbow-emission
Feb 16 06:36:51 <nieve> I kept it installed, I just don't have it doing background updates
Feb 16 06:37:15 <halfhalo> so, I don't know if its just really really really close timing, but apparently if the pre3 is on its touchstone with the screen off but the notification light is flashing, touching the gesture area makes the light go away.
Feb 16 06:37:27 <lahestani> I didn't even know imap protocal had an idle
Feb 16 06:37:49 * lahestani not a big fan of Twitter
Feb 16 06:37:54 <nieve> it's relatively new... '7 or so
Feb 16 06:37:56 <lahestani> There is some client on the app catalog
Feb 16 06:37:57 <nieve> 1997 that is...
Feb 16 06:38:02 <nieve> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2177
Feb 16 06:38:02 <lahestani> what is it called
Feb 16 06:38:05 <lahestani> swift hawk or something
Feb 16 06:39:05 <lahestani> by the way, my touchpad has a touchstone/stand charging thingy, right
Feb 16 06:39:06 <invalidopcode> rwhitby: hahahah oh hey, btw did you ever see, badgework made it into the app catalog?
Feb 16 06:39:06 <nieve> imap idle rocks, but if you've got an OS or runtime that wakes things up frequently even for tcp connections with no data flowing on them it'll still hit the battery
Feb 16 06:39:15 <lahestani> but when it's docked it keeps "reconnecting"
Feb 16 06:39:25 <lahestani> like if I shut off the screen it just comes back on again later
Feb 16 06:39:43 <halfhalo> lahestani thats callned the "wake you up in the middle of the night" function
Feb 16 06:39:53 <lahestani> :(
Feb 16 06:39:56 <lahestani> it woke me up
Feb 16 06:40:40 <halfhalo> Thats why I don't charge my TP at home
Feb 16 06:40:48 <EricBlade> wow, we got email from HP less than 2 hours after we got the "package arrived" notification that our touchpad was fixed and on it's way back
Feb 16 06:40:50 <halfhalo> only at work, since it lasts long enough for me to be able to do that
Feb 16 06:41:12 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: did you get my PM?
Feb 16 06:42:11 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: yes. i don't believe there's a problem in gvoice, i think that sometimes the website is just slow as molasses to respond, and it happens very rarely
Feb 16 06:42:50 <lahestani> halfhalo: A workaround to this issue would be very simple to code
Feb 16 06:43:20 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: ah... ok. its wierd because its happened a couple times in the last few days
Feb 16 06:43:27 <lahestani> Just have a timer on disconnect so that if there is a reconnect within 1 second or something then bypass wakeup
Feb 16 06:44:08 <destinal_> EricBlade: they're actually repairing and returning your individual touchpad, not replacing with a refurb?
Feb 16 06:44:26 <EricBlade> destinal_: from what my gf said the email wasn't that specific
Feb 16 06:44:42 <destinal_> I would expect the latter usually
Feb 16 06:44:51 <EricBlade> still, fantastic turn around though
Feb 16 06:44:59 <destinal_> yeah definitely
Feb 16 06:45:49 <EricBlade> we got the shipping box in next day air, it went back to HP via standard shipping, arrived in 2 days, they received it today, and almost immediately sent it back via 2 day
Feb 16 06:46:10 <lahestani> omg what does it mean when the battery indicator is grey
Feb 16 06:47:46 <EricBlade> no freaking way.  UPS says they checked it in about an hour ago, and expect to have it back to us by 10am
Feb 16 06:50:06 * lahestani cradles his Touchpad
Feb 16 06:50:07 <lahestani> my baby
Feb 16 07:26:30 <lahestani> Do apps not actually close when you close them o_o
Feb 16 07:40:01 <destinal_> lahestani: um, yes, the do?
Feb 16 07:40:10 <destinal_> s/the/they/
Feb 16 07:40:49 <lahestani> oh alright
Feb 16 07:40:56 <lahestani> I was just playing with wirc
Feb 16 07:41:04 <lahestani> and it hung on a server disconnect
Feb 16 07:41:16 <lahestani> I closed it completely and reoponed it, and the appeared to have not changed its state at all
Feb 16 08:09:45 <hucksy> lahestani: yeah, thats a wirc problem
Feb 16 08:11:02 <lahestani> oh alright
Feb 16 08:15:20 <hucksy> seems that rhe service hangs in the background sometimes, then i have to reboot the device
Feb 16 08:15:25 <hucksy> *the
Feb 16 08:15:57 <hucksy> (maybe there is a better solution)
Feb 16 08:17:42 <swisstomcat> morning
Feb 16 08:18:02 <lahestani> hucksy: I was looking in wterm for a way to kill the service without rebooting
Feb 16 08:18:07 <lahestani> but couldn't identify the process
Feb 16 08:18:17 <lahestani> using ps -ax
Feb 16 08:19:01 <b0bben> morning (and evening) all!
Feb 16 08:19:36 <b0bben> any scripts out there that pull out all $L("") strings and put them in lang files for easy translation?
Feb 16 08:19:56 <b0bben> found one that was b0rked, and i remember using one in my mojo app couple of years ago
Feb 16 08:20:32 <hucksy> lahestani: it's a PDK app, i dont know if they have an service which is visible in the linux processlist
Feb 16 08:21:53 <lahestani> hucksy: how exactly does PDK work?
Feb 16 08:22:00 <lahestani> is it a VM of some sort
Feb 16 08:22:15 <lahestani> I thought wirc's service code was a native binary or something
Feb 16 08:27:27 <hucksy> i dont know exactly, before PDK came out, the wirc service and the app was split in two packages (and the service compiled as native binary)
Feb 16 08:27:36 <swisstomcat> b0bben: i think i still have one, let me check
Feb 16 08:30:45 <destinal> lahestani: it's a cross compiler
Feb 16 08:32:11 <lahestani> interesting
Feb 16 08:47:38 * lahestani looks for a crescent compiler
Feb 16 08:51:25 <swisstomcat> crescents ... yummy
Feb 16 08:53:06 <lahestani> om nom nom
Feb 16 09:18:26 <madnificent> my veer doesn't seem to understand the location it's in.  i've set it to belgium (code +32) in the Regional Settings app, but when someone calls or texts and their number is stored in my phone without the country code (thus replacing the contry code with a 0), it doesn't recognise the number.  any ideas on where i should start looking in order to debug this?
Feb 16 09:22:21 <swisstomcat> hmm
Feb 16 09:22:28 <swisstomcat> isn't there a parser component
Feb 16 09:28:10 <madnificent> swisstomcat: that's not as a comment to me, right?
Feb 16 09:32:07 <swisstomcat> madnificent: yes, it is
Feb 16 09:33:30 <madnificent> swisstomcat: oh, could you elaborate then?
Feb 16 09:34:19 <swisstomcat> i thought there was a parser component that comes with webOS that handles this
Feb 16 09:34:26 <swisstomcat> *headscratch*
Feb 16 09:34:36 <swisstomcat> look in /usr/palm/frameworks?
Feb 16 09:35:08 <madnificent> i'm rather sure that it used to handle this perfectly, indeed
Feb 16 09:36:55 <madnificent> swisstomcat: do you have an idea on which words i could try to grep?
Feb 16 09:39:12 <madnificent> PhoneNumberExtended.js could be it
Feb 16 09:39:53 <swisstomcat> might be related: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/307129-what-does-fix-au-dial-plan-patch-do.html
Feb 16 09:40:12 <swisstomcat> usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/g11n/phone/parse/data/
Feb 16 09:46:01 <madnificent> well looks like i'm not the only one with the bug.  i've had it before when my countrycode was set incorrectly
Feb 16 09:46:09 * madnificent puts it on the backlog
Feb 16 14:03:10 <EricBlade> good morning webos users/devs
Feb 16 14:38:18 <b0bben1> any spotify users here?
Feb 16 14:38:50 <b0bben> more specifically, spotify on webos
Feb 16 15:15:06 <maxamillion> hi, this might be a little off topic as this appears to be a webos dev channel ... but does anyone know if the Pixi Plus got the 3.0.5 OTA update? or can it be applied by hand? and would the pixi be a good/decent phone to buy if I was interested in working with future webos releases as it rolls out fully open source?
Feb 16 15:27:01 <summatusmentis> maxamillion: the pixi definitely didn't get the 3.0.5, I believe the pixi can only get 1.4.5
Feb 16 15:27:07 <summatusmentis> 3.x is tablet software
Feb 16 15:27:10 <summatusmentis> none of the phones got it
Feb 16 15:27:34 <summatusmentis> the latest phone OS is 2.2.4, and is availble (officially) on pre2, and pre3
Feb 16 15:27:35 <maxamillion> ahh ok
Feb 16 15:27:43 <summatusmentis> veer has 2.1.2 (iirc)
Feb 16 15:27:56 <summatusmentis> can put 2.x on the pre+ and pre- using meta-doctor
Feb 16 15:28:10 <summatusmentis> but I don't believe there's any way to get newer than 1.4.5 on the pixi
Feb 16 15:28:13 <maxamillion> I'm extremely new to the WebOS world, I've been following Android for some time but its looking as though it might be time to branch out :)
Feb 16 15:28:47 <summatusmentis> I expect some work will be done to try and port open webOS to older hardware, but it might be impossible for some really old devices
Feb 16 15:28:57 <summatusmentis> there will also likely be work done to port to other (android) hardware
Feb 16 15:29:14 <maxamillion> summatusmentis: I'm on AT&T ... which WebOS phone would you recommend for someone trying to get involved? will there be ways to install/flash the newer software (once fully open) on current gen hardware?
Feb 16 15:29:40 <summatusmentis> if you can get your hands on one, get a pre3 (if you want hp hardware)
Feb 16 15:29:45 <summatusmentis> otherwise, a pre2 or a veer
Feb 16 15:30:10 <summatusmentis> maxamillion: I can't answer "will there be ways", because that depends on the community
Feb 16 15:30:21 <summatusmentis> I expect webos-internals will have some people working on that stuff
Feb 16 15:30:23 <summatusmentis> but I don't know
Feb 16 15:31:10 <maxamillion> that's fair, predicting the future is an impossible goal ... I suppose I should have chose better verbage :)
Feb 16 15:31:26 <maxamillion> good stuff though, thanks so much for the info
Feb 16 15:31:55 <summatusmentis> maxamillion: given what webos-internals has done without fully open source webOS, I think it's safe to assume that they'll do more/better with fully open source webOS
Feb 16 15:32:09 <summatusmentis> but as you said, predicting the future is, you know, impossible
Feb 16 15:32:19 <maxamillion> right
Feb 16 15:41:12 <cryptk> I can tell you that if possible, we will get it running on older devices, but there may be some roadblocks that even Open webOS won't solve
Feb 16 15:41:23 <cryptk> granted, you won't see anything until the full source is actually available
Feb 16 16:16:21 <halfhalo> what.... osx 10.8?
Feb 16 16:18:00 <halfhalo> ohhh, airplay mirroring
Feb 16 16:18:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I am le excite
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Feb 16 16:44:12 <EricBlade> https://twitter.com/#!/magicjackhacks/status/170182344236474369/photo/1
Feb 16 16:44:19 <EricBlade> oops wrong window
Feb 16 16:50:09 <hotdp> EricBlade lol
Feb 16 19:32:41 <burg> hello. how can i enable private beta for my application?
Feb 16 19:49:53 <minego-afk> burg: Ask @ArthurThornton on twitter. He has a setup for private betas using private preware feeds.
Feb 16 19:52:32 <summatusmentis> you might find http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/05/create-your-own-webos-app-catalog/ helpful
Feb 16 19:53:21 * programmerq has seven webos devices at his desk
Feb 16 19:53:24 <programmerq> not sure how they all ended up here
Feb 16 19:53:27 <programmerq> but here they are
Feb 16 19:53:29 * programmerq shrugs
Feb 16 19:53:45 <minego-afk> I only have 2 on mine right now :(
Feb 16 19:54:44 <cwayne1> im now at 0 :(
Feb 16 19:55:10 <programmerq> it'll be fun once the sourcecode is available-- afaik it hasn't quite been released.
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