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Feb 22 05:21:45 <PatrickC> http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/02/21/canonical-announces-ubuntu-for-android/ cool
Feb 22 05:22:55 <summatusmentis> I think that concept is compelling
Feb 22 05:23:02 <summatusmentis> I'd be interested to see it actually implemented
Feb 22 05:53:20 <PatrickC> cmon.. they just released alpha 1.. now alpha 2 is out.. new article time lol
Feb 22 05:54:01 <rwhitby> on webOS^H^H^H^H^HAndroidRoundup ?
Feb 22 05:58:22 <PatrickC> rwhitby: what's with all the "^H"'s lol
Feb 22 05:58:38 <PatrickC> and yes, on webOSroundup
Feb 22 06:00:01 <rwhitby> ^H is the ASCII code for backspace
Feb 22 06:00:16 <PatrickC> ah
Feb 22 06:00:28 <PatrickC> I saw "<rwhitby> on webOS^H^H^H^H^HAndroidRoundup ?"
Feb 22 06:00:40 <rwhitby> Yep, you saw correctly
Feb 22 06:00:43 <LoneStar> ^H means backspace?
Feb 22 06:01:42 <rwhitby> original^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hreplaced is an old-school way of saying "I was going to say 'original' but changed it to 'replaced'"
Feb 22 06:01:43 <PatrickC> rwhitby: we have plenty of readers who use CM9, I'm one of the few at WOR who has it installed :P
Feb 22 06:03:26 <summatusmentis> wahot, alpha 2 is out?
Feb 22 06:04:02 <wrea> OMG NOWAI
Feb 22 06:04:08 <PatrickC> yeah.. https://twitter.com/#!wusaint/status/172198574665379841
Feb 22 06:04:46 <summatusmentis> wrea: I literally _just_ tried cm9 alpha1
Feb 22 06:04:53 <PatrickC> same here
Feb 22 06:04:57 <PatrickC> well, a few hours ago
Feb 22 06:05:50 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: once installed (any version) you can easily update without a computer
Feb 22 15:50:20 * halfhalo looks at android, then goes back to being happy with webos
Feb 22 15:52:20 <bigbluehat> :)
Feb 22 15:52:26 * bigbluehat did the same thing yesterday
Feb 22 15:53:30 <bigbluehat> but right now I'm ticked at the Email app :(
Feb 22 15:53:38 <halfhalo> plus, I have a xoom for android.  It sits idle 90% of the time
Feb 22 15:53:39 <bigbluehat> for some reason my messages are all queueing in Outbox
Feb 22 15:53:49 <bigbluehat> halfhalo: wow, dedication :)
Feb 22 15:54:04 <halfhalo> no, just a visa :p
Feb 22 15:54:13 <bigbluehat> ?
Feb 22 15:54:39 <halfhalo> credit card
Feb 22 15:55:49 <halfhalo> bleh.   grabbed the wrong phones this monring
Feb 22 15:57:50 <bigbluehat> halfhalo: ah…totally confused now as to the connection w/webOS, but no worries :)
Feb 22 15:57:59 * bigbluehat is trying to get his mail to send…so he's distracted
Feb 22 15:58:18 * halfhalo has many webos phones.  Just grabbed the wrong pair this morning
Feb 22 15:58:33 <bigbluehat> crazy :)
Feb 22 15:58:53 <halfhalo> thats one word for it
Feb 22 15:59:03 <bigbluehat> :)
Feb 22 16:00:38 <MonkeyJam> Is anyone porting androis to the Pre3?
Feb 22 16:00:49 <halfhalo> God I hope not
Feb 22 16:01:01 <MonkeyJam> Why?
Feb 22 16:01:12 * halfhalo likes his webos to stay webos
Feb 22 16:01:36 <bigbluehat> pretty sure if halfhalo had his way it'd be the other way around
Feb 22 16:01:42 <bigbluehat> webOS for X Android phone
Feb 22 16:01:53 <MonkeyJam> But the hardware is so nice, but the OS is so buggy!
Feb 22 16:02:01 <MonkeyJam> It is barely usable day to day
Feb 22 16:02:12 <bigbluehat> which?
Feb 22 16:02:16 <MonkeyJam> WebOS
Feb 22 16:02:56 * bigbluehat is just getting started
Feb 22 16:03:01 * halfhalo uses it day to day and it works fine for the most part
Feb 22 16:03:02 <bigbluehat> I'm certainly not happy with this outbox bug
Feb 22 16:03:16 * halfhalo also has no outbox issue
Feb 22 16:03:18 <bigbluehat> plus they're open sourcing it now, so MonkeyJam can fix it ;)
Feb 22 16:03:27 <bigbluehat> yeah, pretty sure I know what caused it
Feb 22 16:03:32 <bigbluehat> but still an obvious error in the app
Feb 22 16:03:32 <MonkeyJam> Well, I am planning to! :P
Feb 22 16:04:17 <MonkeyJam> I'd prefer threading though first...
Feb 22 16:05:18 <bigbluehat> eh, I'm pretty happy with the minimalism atm
Feb 22 16:05:21 <bigbluehat> but again, I'm just getting started
Feb 22 16:07:05 <summatusmentis> webOS is really nice
Feb 22 16:07:18 * bigbluehat likes it
Feb 22 16:07:22 <bigbluehat> cards are a fabulous idea
Feb 22 16:07:34 * halfhalo wants qtwebkit
Feb 22 16:07:45 <summatusmentis> I tried ICS on the TP, and it's noticeably faster, seemingly. I can't tell if it's just "new" and so I'm being unfairly optimistic
Feb 22 16:08:18 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: does qtwebkit theoretically get us significant speedups?
Feb 22 16:08:24 <halfhalo> yes
Feb 22 16:08:47 <summatusmentis> it's bizarre to me that qtwebkit was released without any sort of build instructions
Feb 22 16:15:45 <RagingMind> MonkeyJam, how long have you had it?
Feb 22 16:16:42 <MonkeyJam> The Pre? Since xmas
Feb 22 16:21:06 <MonkeyJam> It is consierably harder to use than either 4.0 or iPhone
Feb 22 16:24:25 <bigbluehat> is there a place I can access error logs on a TouchPad?
Feb 22 16:24:34 <bigbluehat> Ideally without connecting it via USB?
Feb 22 16:24:41 * bigbluehat has preware
Feb 22 16:25:01 <RagingMind> bigbluehat, do you have wterm?
Feb 22 16:25:41 <RagingMind> webos dumps pretty much everything in /var/log/messages
Feb 22 16:26:02 <bigbluehat> nope
Feb 22 16:26:16 <bigbluehat> checking preware
Feb 22 16:26:19 <RagingMind> it's in preware
Feb 22 16:26:39 <bigbluehat> looks nice :)
Feb 22 16:26:44 <bigbluehat> installing now
Feb 22 16:38:46 <bigbluehat> several TCP/IP connect attempt failed's
Feb 22 16:41:54 <bigbluehat> …guess I'll just try stuff :)
Feb 22 16:46:37 <summatusmentis> you know what needs to happen? a standardized web API for notifications
Feb 22 16:48:13 <bigbluehat> summatusmentis: are you tracking WebRT?
Feb 22 16:49:06 <bigbluehat> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Apps/WebRT
Feb 22 16:49:54 * bigbluehat seems to have fixed his mail trouble...
Feb 22 16:51:06 <summatusmentis> I have not been, that looks semi-interesting
Feb 22 16:51:44 <summatusmentis> the difficulty with notifications is that the web-app providers would need to adopt the standard
Feb 22 16:52:50 <bigbluehat> summatusmentis: there's this as well https://wiki.mozilla.org/Notifications
Feb 22 16:53:12 <bigbluehat> well, browser providers (including web OS's of all kinds here)
Feb 22 16:53:25 <bigbluehat> it's part of their boot2gecko effort
Feb 22 16:53:33 <bigbluehat> and the Open Web Apps work
Feb 22 16:54:28 <summatusmentis> yeah, I've been sorta following that
Feb 22 16:55:22 <bigbluehat> yeah…promising idea...
Feb 22 16:55:32 <bigbluehat> HP did it (sort of) and called it webOS :)
Feb 22 17:47:04 <PatrickC> is it just me, or is everyone copying webOS now? lol
Feb 22 17:49:34 <summatusmentis> everyone who?
Feb 22 17:49:39 <summatusmentis> android sort of is
Feb 22 17:49:58 <PatrickC> wp7 is kinda too
Feb 22 17:50:03 <summatusmentis> err.. how?
Feb 22 17:50:23 <PatrickC> their messaging.. its integrated like webOS is.. not with as many services, but still
Feb 22 17:50:31 <halfhalo> ...
Feb 22 17:50:44 <PatrickC> if you are having a conversation with someone with facebook chat, then switch to text, its in the same thread..
Feb 22 17:50:52 <PatrickC> webOS (till now) was the only OS to do this I believe
Feb 22 17:51:06 <halfhalo> ...
Feb 22 17:51:14 <summatusmentis> iMessages did this, I think android has been doing this
Feb 22 17:51:32 <PatrickC> webOS was the first.. :)
Feb 22 17:51:58 <summatusmentis> are you certain?
Feb 22 17:52:00 <PatrickC> like I said, people are copying webOS.. we had multitasking, iOS started multitasking.. we had unified  messaging, now iOS/Android/WP7 have unified messaging
Feb 22 17:52:07 <PatrickC> afaik webOS was the first
Feb 22 17:52:16 <PatrickC> if I'm wrong, someone please point me out.
Feb 22 17:52:22 <summatusmentis> android has had multitasking since day 1, wp6.5 had multitasking
Feb 22 17:52:23 <halfhalo> webos was not the first device to have multitasking
Feb 22 17:52:36 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: really? didn't know that..
Feb 22 17:52:44 <PatrickC> still, the unified messaging was a webOS first, right?
Feb 22 17:52:49 <summatusmentis> I'm pretty sure android was doing unified messaging w/ gtalk and texting early too
Feb 22 17:53:06 <PatrickC> gtalk is not unified on either of my android devices
Feb 22 17:53:15 <PatrickC> its a separate app
Feb 22 17:53:25 <summatusmentis> I could be wrong I suppose
Feb 22 17:54:23 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: maemo had multitasking, even old versions of symbian had some form of multitasking
Feb 22 17:54:27 <PatrickC> the whole thing that made me think about this is I'm getting a wp7 phone, and started watching vids of it/how to use it/etc. from nokia
Feb 22 17:54:34 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: wow.. had no clue
Feb 22 17:54:50 <summatusmentis> multitasking is part of the reason wp6.5 sucked so bad
Feb 22 17:54:56 <PatrickC> why?
Feb 22 17:54:56 <summatusmentis> there wasn't a good way to close apps
Feb 22 17:55:03 <PatrickC> lol
Feb 22 17:55:04 <summatusmentis> or, an obvious way
Feb 22 17:55:14 <PatrickC> pull the battery :)
Feb 22 17:55:22 <summatusmentis> or restart
Feb 22 17:55:35 <summatusmentis> there were task killers, but many people didn't use them
Feb 22 17:55:56 <PatrickC> in android, I can't find out how to close open apps a lot if it isn't ICS
Feb 22 17:56:05 <PatrickC> there isn't a good way to do it (that I know of)
Feb 22 17:56:06 <summatusmentis> you need a task killer app
Feb 22 17:56:14 <summatusmentis> or just let android kill them for you, after a while
Feb 22 17:56:17 <PatrickC> exactly.. I loved the way webOS did it
Feb 22 17:56:44 <PatrickC> android is not intuitive in a lot of things..
Feb 22 17:56:55 <PatrickC> ICS is a lot better.. but webOS still leads the pack I think
Feb 22 17:57:49 <PatrickC> webOS is also the only (as far as I know) mobile OS that integrates so many chat clients into a single application.. stock without having to buy a separate ap
Feb 22 17:57:51 <PatrickC> app*
Feb 22 18:06:13 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: did you get cm9 alpha 2 installed?
Feb 22 18:14:07 <dwc-> I've got a question for any palm people or anyone who has published an app in the catalog about location services and privacy, etc
Feb 22 18:17:35 <dwc-> I'm wondering about two things... 1) what looks like a requirement for developers to have a privacy policy but yet I can't think of an app that has had one, and 2) by my reading, the SDK License Agreement restricts use of location services data ... is providing that data and possible wifi networks to the developer or an ad server an allowed use?
Feb 22 19:49:44 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: I did
Feb 22 19:49:55 <PatrickC> cool
Feb 22 19:55:11 <cwayne> you guys see ubuntu for android?!
Feb 22 19:59:56 <destinal_> cwayne: that's like the phone that can be an ubuntu netbook?
Feb 22 20:00:56 <cwayne> destinal_: ya, once you dock it
Feb 22 20:10:34 <PatrickC> cwayne, yes!
Feb 22 20:10:38 <PatrickC> you on the project?
Feb 22 20:11:10 <cwayne> maybe
Feb 22 20:11:11 <cwayne> lol
Feb 22 20:13:33 <PatrickC> u can tell me :)
Feb 22 20:13:35 <PatrickC> i cant wait to try it
Feb 22 20:14:36 <cwayne> PatrickC: its *wicked* cool
Feb 22 20:14:48 <PatrickC> i wanna try!!!
Feb 22 20:19:09 <fxspec06> i don't see the point, really
Feb 22 20:21:02 <fxspec06> the touchpad doesn't have a dock, for one. for two, you'd need special cables to make a usb hub. your only other option would be bluetooth mouse and keyboard support, which you most likely don't have and even if you did i doubt they're ready for the pad just yet. lastly, you'd most likely want to output video at some point. which is highly unlikely to happen. good luck having a decent linux
Feb 22 20:21:02 <fxspec06> experience at 1024 x 800 on a 10" screen!
Feb 22 20:21:31 <cwayne> wait wat?
Feb 22 20:22:17 <fxspec06> i am guessing patrickc was talking about trying ubuntu for android on the touchpad
Feb 22 20:22:31 <PatrickC> fxspec06, or my android phone..
Feb 22 20:24:14 <fxspec06> ..
Feb 22 20:25:39 <cwayne> couldnt do ubuntu for android on the touchpad anyway
Feb 22 20:25:51 <PatrickC> fxspec06, not everything i own is webOS.. i have an android phone and a wp7 phone on the way...
Feb 22 20:25:56 <PatrickC> cwayne, how come?
Feb 22 20:26:14 <cwayne> needs hdmi out
Feb 22 20:26:40 <PatrickC> ah
Feb 22 20:29:46 <halfhalo> OR DOES IE
Feb 22 20:29:48 <halfhalo> IT
Feb 22 20:30:00 <halfhalo> bleh
Feb 22 20:30:33 <PatrickC> IE lol
Feb 22 20:31:02 <cwayne> yes
Feb 22 20:31:03 <cwayne> lol
Feb 22 20:31:17 <halfhalo> trident is an underappreciated layout engine dammit!
Feb 22 20:34:10 <bigbluehat> the "Notes & Caveats" section on this page makes me sad: https://github.com/apache/incubator-cordova-webos
Feb 22 20:35:01 * bigbluehat wonders how fixable they are
Feb 22 20:35:21 * fxspec06 unleashes red spray paint fury
Feb 22 20:40:18 <bigbluehat> fxspec06: ?
Feb 22 20:40:37 <halfhalo> boom
Feb 22 20:44:52 <bigbluehat> the com.palm thing to get the vibrator seems a bit wonky
Feb 22 20:44:55 <bigbluehat> for one
Feb 22 20:45:18 <bigbluehat> guess you could just always ship through preware :)
Feb 22 23:14:45 <fxspec06> https://twitter.com/#!/dragongears/status/172385693144850432/photo/1
Feb 23 00:21:59 <fxspec06> http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/22/2817479/meg-whitman-says-hp-is-too-complex-and-too-slow-underinvested-in-pc
Feb 23 00:53:43 <destinal_> anyone with a 3g touchpad know if it can make phone calls?
Feb 23 00:54:24 <rwhitby> it cannot
Feb 23 00:55:13 <destinal_> rwhitby: thanks
Feb 23 01:00:39 * dwc- frowns. I swear it didn't do this before... I'm running tcpdump on my pre2 and it seems to be dropping the network interface... ssh hangs, inbound/outbound traffic fails
Feb 23 01:02:16 <dwc-> but I know I've tcpdump'd traffic over wifi before....
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