**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 23 02:59:58 2012 Feb 23 04:12:21 anyone else get the email about the lawsuit? Feb 23 04:28:33 what lawsuit? Feb 23 04:49:36 http://www.webosnation.com/settlement-reached-palm-profile-data-loss-class-action-suit Feb 23 05:12:15 Oh class action suits, how we love to loathe thee Feb 23 05:12:24 Lawyers get 99% of the payout, everyone else splits 1% Feb 23 05:14:32 $20-$30 doesnt seem that bad.. Feb 23 15:09:57 anyone here (or at HP) tracking Mozilla's Open Web Apps work? http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-announces-marketplace-for-open-web-apps-1440881.html Feb 23 15:10:04 seems quite similar to webOS in general Feb 23 15:10:22 obviously more broadly focused, but it'd be nice if there were some collaboration/overlap Feb 23 15:10:24 for both communities Feb 23 15:27:52 Good evening Feb 23 15:28:15 Does anyone have the time to answer a question? Feb 23 15:30:31 I'll just go ahead and type it anyway, perhaps someone lurking might know... I am trying to remove the Linux partition from my TouchPad and I am following the instructions on the site. However, when I run "novaterm" The cursor just drops down one line and nothing happens. If I pull the usb, I get a connection lost error, and when I typ any command I get "Command not found". I am using Linux. Feb 23 15:31:30 Thats not a question, haha... well; Does anyone know what I could try to get novaterm to play nice? Feb 23 15:38:17 aeonius, have you tried doing it with Tailor? Feb 23 15:38:29 and that is also a question more for #webos-internals :) Feb 23 15:38:59 Oh, I am sorry... I didnt know there was another channel Feb 23 15:39:07 Tailor, is a linux app? Feb 23 15:39:21 its an app available via Preware Feb 23 15:39:38 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/304871-tailor-device-live-partition-filesystem-editor-beta-testing.html Feb 23 15:39:48 Thanks! I'll give it a go Feb 23 15:42:29 good luck :) Feb 23 15:42:37 Thank you =) Feb 23 15:43:53 * PatrickC goes off to start wp7 dev Feb 23 16:56:25 aeonius, you use twitter? Feb 23 16:56:54 Nope, I am staying away from all the social media nonsense Feb 23 16:57:08 lol Feb 23 16:57:18 Though I do read some tbh Feb 23 19:21:23 webos needs a desktop development tool like XCode or Visual Studio.. Feb 23 19:21:48 * PatrickC hopes that the open sourcing of Ares 2 will allow that Feb 23 19:23:39 people use visual studio to write webos apps already Feb 23 19:24:27 sugardave, and they use the IDE aspect (drag and drop the UI components)? Feb 23 19:24:31 thats the main part that i want Feb 23 19:24:41 don't know, you'll have to find them and ask how they do it Feb 23 19:25:08 cause thats the part that i want Feb 23 19:25:21 * oilsworkn will never understand wysiwyg interface for programming Feb 23 19:25:26 i dont think itll work for webOS, as it needs the WP7 plugin that the SDK for WP7 installs Feb 23 19:25:33 then wait for Ares 2 or find someone who uses VS already and ask what they do Feb 23 19:25:39 these choices are really simple Feb 23 19:26:15 sugardave, like i said, i hope the open sourcing of Ares 2 allows that Feb 23 19:27:33 okay, that doesn't make a lick of sense Feb 23 19:27:36 "ares2: yo dawg..." Feb 23 19:28:09 are you trying to say that it would be possible to release Ares 2 but not let people use it from tehir desktop? dumb Feb 23 19:28:42 sugardave, im saying i hope that the license they release ares 2 under will allow it to be packaged as a desktop app and distributed Feb 23 19:28:46 lulz Feb 23 19:29:01 ... Feb 23 19:29:05 of course itll run on the desktop via a browser, but there has been no mention (that i have heard of) of there being an installable version Feb 23 19:29:06 I'm done now Feb 23 19:29:08 for offline use Feb 23 19:29:16 lulz offline Feb 23 19:29:43 there are times (like on a trip in a car) that some people don't have internet, and would still like to do development Feb 23 19:29:47 holy shit man....if it's open-sourced (not sure about the status) then you would be able to GET THE SOURCE AND RUN IT ON A WEBSERVER ON YOUR OWN DAMN MACHINE Feb 23 19:29:50 or if they are on really slow internet Feb 23 19:30:09 sugardave, i know that *i* can do it, but distribution ... Feb 23 19:30:37 Oh look, an easily packaged up and distributed web server! Feb 23 19:30:45 :O Feb 23 19:31:25 probably wouldn't even need a webserver, enyo apps run locally without a webserver Feb 23 19:31:44 sure, I'm just not clear on the back-end on Ares 2 Feb 23 19:31:52 yeah.... but then you can't claim to have internet in your pocket Feb 23 19:34:26 sugardave: true, i forgot about the file browsing/etc aspects of ares Feb 23 19:35:08 PatrickC: what the fuck is the point of open sourcing if you can't distribute your modifications? Feb 23 19:35:28 tax writeoff. Feb 23 19:35:33 summatusmentis, idk.. but some people just release the code to release it Feb 23 19:35:37 summatusmentis: don't bother Feb 23 19:35:47 that's what opensourcing _means_ Feb 23 19:35:59 give people the code, let them modify it and distribute it Feb 23 19:36:14 the license will determine, potentially, what license their modifications have to be under Feb 23 19:36:44 but if they're open sourcing it, it would be really stupid of them to give people the code and then say "well wait, you can see it, but you can't do anythign with it" Feb 23 19:37:38 summatusmentis: I cracked the Google OAuth problem ;) Feb 23 19:38:01 by not using Oauth Feb 23 19:38:04 :p Feb 23 19:38:05 have other bugs to fix/features to add, but an update or two should hava Google Reader support in Zite Feb 23 19:38:15 sugardave: <3 Feb 23 19:38:47 halfhalo: I wish, but the solution was pretty simple once I talked to unwiredben Feb 23 19:39:11 need to rest, I feel my fever creeping back up Feb 23 19:39:20 sugardave, turning Zite into a google reader app? awesome! Feb 23 19:39:26 get well soon Feb 23 19:50:11 hope you feel better Feb 23 19:50:20 *soon Feb 23 22:01:06 holy shit, do they not teach you reading comprehension? it's not going to be a Google Reader app, it is one of the seeds for picking topics Feb 23 22:03:39 * oilsworkn thinks sugardave needs a nap xD Feb 23 22:04:06 le sigh Feb 23 22:04:12 lol Feb 23 22:04:50 lulz Feb 23 22:05:00 sugardave: still feeling crappy? Feb 23 22:05:06 definitely Feb 23 22:05:12 sorry man Feb 23 22:08:42 sugardave, i barely caught what u said. all i saw was "google reader zite" Feb 23 22:08:50 that was just the first thing i thought of Feb 23 22:30:35 PatrickC_Away, so you dont even care to read before you respond? Feb 23 22:30:56 that is all i saw Feb 23 22:31:16 " have other bugs to fix/features to add, but an update or two should hava Google Reader support in Zite" Feb 23 22:31:49 that does NOT say "Turning Zite into a Google Reader app" Feb 23 22:31:53 it's really that simple Feb 23 22:32:13 * PatrickC_Away took "Google reader support in Zite" to mean "Zite reading google reader feeds" Feb 23 22:32:15 sorry.. Feb 23 22:32:30 i wasnt here for the beginning convo about the Google reader support in Zite Feb 23 22:32:32 bbl Feb 23 22:33:08 i wasnt either, but only reading that one sentence is enough to know Feb 23 23:18:50 PatrickC_Away: you don't get to be sorry, you make a mistake and have to live with it the rest of your life. No forgiveness, no way out. Sound familiar? Feb 23 23:33:41 sugardave, ... no that doesnt sound familiar... Feb 23 23:35:54 sounds like knockin someone up Feb 23 23:36:42 lol Feb 23 23:38:29 hah Feb 23 23:40:58 mm.... ar..... Feb 23 23:42:33 * halfhalo may or may not being playing with node and ar files Feb 23 23:42:47 which are suprisingly simple. Feb 23 23:44:09 * PatrickC_Away is browsing bluetooth headphones Feb 23 23:50:08 bleh, bluetooth Feb 23 23:51:22 no cords to get tangled up Feb 23 23:59:21 * halfhalo likes his audio quality thankyouverymuch Feb 24 00:00:02 * PatrickC doesnt care that much Feb 24 00:32:27 cool...been awhile Feb 24 00:34:51 sugardave: who should I talk to if I have a question about apps' use of location data and privacy policies? Feb 24 00:42:53 i got bodyguardz skin and it awesome Feb 24 00:42:57 anyone want some picas Feb 24 00:46:10 http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad-accessories/312201-bodyguardz-carbon-fiber-armor-hp-touchpad-review-slideshow.html Feb 24 01:46:50 tibfib_: yo Feb 24 01:49:17 fxspec06: work with touchstone? Feb 24 01:49:35 dwc-: you can talk to me about it Feb 24 01:49:40 i won't be very helpful, but i'll listen Feb 24 01:49:52 and sometimes, that's all people need is someone to listen. Feb 24 01:51:21 i don't have a touchstone, but from what i hear it does work w/ it Feb 24 01:51:57 dwc-: I saw some article about this today....I would say send an email to pdc@palm.com and hopefully it will get routed to the right peeps Feb 24 01:53:21 how's your fever sugardave Feb 24 01:53:45 abated for now, just took some sleepy-time theraflu Feb 24 01:53:46 did the doctor prescribe some cowbell? Feb 24 01:54:01 mm theraflu you'll be K.O'd pretty soon Feb 24 01:54:14 hah, no I'm going to go park it on the couch downstairs and play FF Tactics until I pass out ;) Feb 24 01:54:51 lol Feb 24 01:55:07 re: earlier topic about bluetooth.. my bluetooth headphones sound fantastic, as long as Windows isn't driving them Feb 24 01:55:38 Windows refuses to send them anything better than 11khz audio, judging by the sound quality Feb 24 01:56:18 they sound great on my TouchPad and Pre2, and almost as good on my iPod, they definitely sound better than the wired output on the iPod Feb 24 02:09:07 dear god someone needs to proofread HP's webOS pages Feb 24 02:09:46 "if your wireless service provider is in the Germany, but you were in France when you created the phone’s first HP webOS Account, your phone is associated with France" Feb 24 02:09:59 the pages are just littered with errors like that Feb 24 02:15:54 whats new with webos Feb 24 02:16:14 besides being dead Feb 24 02:17:39 it's not dead. Feb 24 02:18:50 not alive. hald dead then Feb 24 02:18:55 maybe you should apply for a job EricBlade Feb 24 02:19:04 i'm sure they would love to have you on staff =P Feb 24 02:19:07 half Feb 24 02:19:22 eggie = ericblade? Feb 24 02:19:47 nah Feb 24 02:20:04 yeah ask EricBlade or rwhitby how dead webos is. Feb 24 02:20:06 just bored Feb 24 02:20:37 well the channel here is pretty dead Feb 24 02:20:52 sup Eric Feb 24 02:20:55 as far as general activity goes, i get more sales from Pre 1 users on my apps than I do Android users Feb 24 02:21:00 long time no talk Feb 24 02:21:10 how long can it live with no device makers Feb 24 02:21:12 how you been? Feb 24 02:21:31 eggie_: i give it about 12 months or so, as the last contracts for the non-diehards run out Feb 24 02:21:32 eggie_: just wait until the source code is released Feb 24 02:21:46 I'm really interested in Isis Feb 24 02:21:59 in the meantime, we'll have a complete open source release, and that may or may not save it Feb 24 02:22:06 it will help. Feb 24 02:22:15 EricBlade: what's the deal with Isis? Feb 24 02:22:19 save as in, keep it breathing Feb 24 02:22:24 recessitate* Feb 24 02:22:24 when will that be available to install on a touchpad? Feb 24 02:22:26 once again Feb 24 02:22:48 or save as in turn it into a blossoming flower bed or erupting volcano Feb 24 02:22:52 ... Feb 24 02:22:55 VICODAN: last i'd heard, estimates were that it was going to take a few weeks for the internals guys to get it going, i've been way too busy to follow them closely Feb 24 02:23:11 EricBlade: same here Feb 24 02:23:15 I just looked at it Feb 24 02:23:18 saw it was in development Feb 24 02:23:23 and they had a github Feb 24 02:23:32 and i was like okay cool, where can I download and install it Feb 24 02:23:40 how's your google voice app? Feb 24 02:24:46 doing well on webos Feb 24 02:24:57 what happened to wirc Feb 24 02:25:18 it's still there Feb 24 02:25:22 i brought gvoice to playbook and android .. rim people haven't even looked at it, two weeks now, and android sales are .. abyssmal Feb 24 02:25:24 there's also pound irc Feb 24 02:25:28 EricBlade: you got any promo codes? Feb 24 02:25:44 not at the moment Feb 24 02:25:47 why would you expect gvoice to sell on android when there is google voice? Feb 24 02:26:01 because the google voice app on android blows Feb 24 02:26:04 no one on android will bye a gvoice app. pointless Feb 24 02:26:13 buy Feb 24 02:26:16 but, due to the browser's terrible speed on android, so does gvoice lol Feb 24 02:26:20 agreed Feb 24 02:26:41 EricBlade: depends on the browser, rom and phone. The android google voice app is great.. Feb 24 02:26:59 even the new ICS version isn't really built for a tablet though Feb 24 02:27:09 ICS is so overrated Feb 24 02:27:14 it still looks and operates like a phone app on a big screen Feb 24 02:27:14 the gvoice on android is great. full integration Feb 24 02:27:15 anyways Feb 24 02:27:24 the 2 apps i want for touchpad are gvoice and sports live Feb 24 02:27:29 full integration? Feb 24 02:27:39 I have Sprint with google voice and "full integration" Feb 24 02:28:07 so im confused Feb 24 02:28:18 EricBlade: what other apps you develop? Feb 24 02:28:27 if you have android on a phone, the google voice app integrates to the dialer Feb 24 02:29:00 no it doesn't. Feb 24 02:29:08 yes it does Feb 24 02:29:11 it integrates into the messaging app. Feb 24 02:29:30 and dialer Feb 24 02:29:42 how does it integrate to the dialer? Feb 24 02:29:59 EricBlade: what other apps you develop? Feb 24 02:30:31 go to settings. select make all calls or ask to make calls with voice Feb 24 02:30:56 YEAH Feb 24 02:30:57 yeah Feb 24 02:31:00 then you get charged Feb 24 02:31:05 in gv credits Feb 24 02:31:06 fuck that Feb 24 02:31:17 huh? Feb 24 02:31:34 gvoice is free Feb 24 02:33:26 if you make international calls Feb 24 02:33:30 you get charged on gvoice Feb 24 02:33:32 and Feb 24 02:33:34 on sprint Feb 24 02:33:36 well duh Feb 24 02:33:40 i dont use gvoice to make calls Feb 24 02:33:45 no point. Feb 24 02:34:10 i had sprint made calls with gvoice free Feb 24 02:34:12 there are of course the better google voice apps that include google talk as well, that's nice Feb 24 02:34:33 i'm not that advanced though. and it's not even possible in webos via normal means, as far as i'm aware Feb 24 02:37:23 one of the reasons webos failed. inability to produce feature full apps Feb 24 02:40:29 that's not webos' fault. Feb 24 02:40:45 the cause for that was the lack of hardware and committment Feb 24 02:43:05 EricBlade: forget about android, i'm talking about webos Feb 24 02:43:23 i was wondering what else you've made for webos besides gvoice Feb 24 02:45:23 XO, it's a Subsonic app Feb 24 02:45:51 word Feb 24 02:45:53 ill peep it Feb 24 02:46:00 i was thinking of getting into webos development Feb 24 02:46:05 i think webos is gunna be the next big thing Feb 24 02:47:13 i thought that too. Feb 24 02:47:19 after having moved my webos apps to most of the other platforms, i can definitely say that webOS totally owns the "web technologies can make good apps" category Feb 24 02:47:20 now, i have my doubts Feb 24 02:47:40 funny thing is that now it is more of "the next big thing" than back when i thought it was going to be the next big thing Feb 24 02:47:43 well Feb 24 02:48:00 i think going open source was a great idea Feb 24 02:48:18 and they are still developing for it Feb 24 02:48:18 s/great/the only Feb 24 02:48:22 playbook OS seems to come in second for performance on them. iOS is only good with their top end devices Feb 24 02:48:39 RIM is just irrelevant. Feb 24 02:48:47 my Pre- kicks the crap out of my iPod with the same apps Feb 24 02:49:18 my phone is an androlid Feb 24 02:49:21 android* Feb 24 02:49:27 my tablet is a touchpad Feb 24 02:49:31 my desktop is windows Feb 24 02:49:39 never owned 1 apple product Feb 24 02:50:12 btw android on touchpad blows Feb 24 02:59:31 XO has done pretty well, I didn't even expect it to sell 10 copies or so, but it's actually outsold that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 24 02:59:57 2012