**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 02:59:58 2012 Mar 13 04:31:29 Anyone here running the SDK on Windows 7 64bit Mar 13 04:38:45 disregard Mar 13 04:51:33 omg.. my gf is apparently playing oregon trail. using her late teenaged children as characters. She just yelled "[daughter] just got cholera!" son yells "Chlymidia?", daughter starts clapping. Mar 13 05:06:23 Wow... after getting novacom working... it only took about 15 minutes to port my WP7 app back to WebOS Mar 13 05:11:20 nice Mar 13 05:13:38 And all of my transitions work again... :) Mar 13 05:17:59 woo . what do you use for transitions? Mar 13 05:35:18 CSS3 transitions Mar 13 05:35:33 -ms-transition, -webkit-transitions etc Mar 13 05:36:32 Alot of my code has multiple trans tags Mar 13 05:36:38 a lot of my css Mar 13 05:51:39 I think its taking longer to make new welcome and start images as well as icons then it did to port it :-/ Mar 13 06:15:15 Anyone here using ads in their webos app Mar 13 06:16:47 CTLAdvance: i was going to ask if you use a particular library to deal with the animations, or if you just did them on your own Mar 13 06:17:05 Ah, no currently I am doing them on my own Mar 13 06:17:23 You cant beat CSS transitions for simplicity sake Mar 13 06:17:29 or animations for that matter Mar 13 06:17:55 i like to be able to just fire them in code, though, without having to write bunches of css. Mar 13 06:18:20 pretty much no one using ads - everyone used to use AdSense, until they dropped webOS. Mar 13 06:18:46 yep Mar 13 06:18:55 ok Mar 13 06:18:57 I exchanged some emails with a bunch of other ad providers, and was mostly either ignored, or told "well, we don't care what kind of device they are on, but we're not going to support it", which is fine, but also means you have to figure out how their api's work Mar 13 06:20:57 Yeah thats kind of where I am now Mar 13 06:21:15 oh my Mar 13 06:21:17 I got an ad Mar 13 06:21:39 really? Mar 13 06:21:48 Yes Mar 13 06:21:51 WOO Mar 13 06:22:08 This isnt supposed to work, and I bet its against my terms of use Mar 13 06:22:11 WOOT! Mar 13 06:26:34 cool Mar 13 06:26:44 I guess I need to get a backup though for when this one fails Mar 13 06:26:50 anyways that is settled Mar 13 06:27:12 I think just icons and this is ready to go... Mar 13 06:27:15 interesting Mar 13 06:29:07 Hmm what are the icon sizes that we are using now Mar 13 06:36:31 couldn't you put the ad on a webpage that you serve and then load it in a webview or iframe, and probably kind of sort of have it legit for ad network ToS? Mar 13 06:36:50 and I think 64x64 for launcher icons but don't quote me on that **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 09:48:18 2012 Mar 13 10:04:22 morning Mar 13 11:15:13 hi. My app status is now "Incomplete". That means it's not in reaview and will not go there? Mar 13 11:19:07 yes Mar 13 11:19:30 what was the last step you did? Mar 13 11:19:33 submit? Mar 13 11:20:33 I clicked on "Resume", then all the pages again and re-submitted. It's directly posted in Incomplete Apps again. I get no infromation why Mar 13 12:28:45 swisstomcat - anything I can do with "Incomplete Apps" status? Write to pdc@pal again? Mar 13 12:29:17 hmm Mar 13 12:29:25 let me check what i can find out Mar 13 12:29:42 you're at the hp hq? Mar 13 13:05:44 KungPhoo: looks like a known problem: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=19735 Mar 13 13:11:58 ok, I've added a mailing subscription to that topic and hope for the best Mar 13 13:22:20 wait a minute…HP *is* releasing a new TouchPad to run open webOS?! http://www.webosnation.com/open-webos-branding-design-competition-update-super-sweet-prize-awaits Mar 13 13:22:27 why does this stuff turn up in the "weeds"? Mar 13 13:22:36 Did I just miss an a larger announcement somewhere? Mar 13 13:24:18 no Mar 13 13:24:36 is it legit? Mar 13 13:24:45 a brand-new touchpads just means one that has never been unpacked Mar 13 13:24:48 a regular one tho Mar 13 13:24:54 oh :-P Mar 13 13:25:20 optimistic reading by me, I guess ;) Mar 13 13:25:23 thanks swisstomcat Mar 13 13:25:31 still cool that you guys are involved Mar 13 13:25:41 sad I missed the chance to toss in a logo Mar 13 15:02:42 Hi Newbie here rying to understand the internals of a Touchpad - anybody got a few minutes to help me? Thanks Mar 13 15:06:17 hi Mar 13 15:06:22 what would you like to know? Mar 13 15:06:41 hi - are you familiar with novaterm? Mar 13 15:07:35 more or less Mar 13 15:08:15 great - got a touchpad which i cant get to register (early UK prototype, and I'm trying to create a cminstall directory through novaterm & upload the necessary cyanmod files .. Mar 13 15:08:46 i'm not sure where about the normal directory is, or how to upload the files into the tp from it Mar 13 15:10:06 both novaterm and novacom work? Mar 13 15:10:14 e.g can you get a shell? Mar 13 15:10:27 yep Mar 13 15:10:43 in it, but fumbling around the internal file structure Mar 13 15:11:18 novacom put should work Mar 13 15:12:48 ok - but where about do i create the folder ... when i term in its the usual bin/etc/sys/var ... whereabouts would the normal user folders be found? Mar 13 15:12:57 /media/internal Mar 13 15:13:18 for cm, that would be /media/internal/cminstall Mar 13 15:13:44 any documentation on the novacom put command? Mar 13 15:13:51 put Mar 13 15:14:07 novacom put file://tmp/newfile < localfile Mar 13 15:15:55 great - will try that now, thanks Mar 13 15:59:50 hi all - i've got what appears to be an 8gb touchpad ... i'm trying to reset the filesystem using novaterm .. anyone know the sequence of commands to rebuild the filesystem proerly? Thanks Mar 13 16:02:44 now that's a strange device Mar 13 16:03:07 tell me about it Mar 13 16:04:00 where did you get it? Mar 13 16:04:00 is there a way i can confirm the storage space ... not entirely sure if df is telling me the right thing Mar 13 16:04:37 it's a prototype that was delivered to a friend last year - also got a 3g sim, but in the uk where it was never realeased .. got a prototype sticker on the back Mar 13 16:06:51 the lvm tools Mar 13 16:07:44 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover#Complete_filesystem_creation Mar 13 16:07:54 I woudl suggest using those toosl to verify first rather than wiping Mar 13 16:09:03 hmm, i may have been over-eager and already wuped, but I'll have a play thanks Mar 13 16:44:04 cd /dev Mar 13 16:44:16 sorry - wrong window! Mar 13 16:45:46 anyone with a bit of knowledge of linux filesystems? would appreciate some help as this doesnt make sense to me! Mar 13 16:46:13 ask your q and people will see if they know the answer Mar 13 16:48:08 currently in novaterm (touchpad) ... df shows /dev/root as having 2627 available, tmpfs has 298692 available - how can I get more space to the root? Mar 13 16:48:40 More info: have copies 2 large files into /tmp - now trying to copy them into /media/internal but device reports no more space Mar 13 16:53:36 I believe the rootfs is small by design... you shouldn't need to be adding much to it, but you could resize it Mar 13 16:53:58 df -k /media/internal should show you what filesystem that is (perhaps your isn't mounted or is actually full?) Mar 13 16:54:35 thanks - i'll check Mar 13 16:54:38 ey2500 Mar 13 16:55:15 sorry - child decided to hit keyboard Mar 13 17:16:56 another linux file question - if i do an lvscan and it reports /dev/store/media as active, how can I access it? Mar 13 17:18:42 mount /dev/mapper/store-media Mar 13 17:19:49 thanks Mar 13 21:07:27 has anyone build an application with a python backend? someone released a python API for Google Music Mar 13 21:15:05 afaik, there's no python interpreter on webos Mar 13 21:15:29 ugh, wrong window, was intended for #webos-internals Mar 13 21:43:54 dwc-: it can be installed Mar 13 21:44:32 sure Mar 13 21:45:56 * jrabbit hasn't played with it in a whiel but getting pygame onto the touchpad would be nice Mar 13 21:48:24 I think puff was working on something along those lines Mar 13 21:48:36 twisted and pygame Mar 13 21:49:58 twisted is horrible Mar 13 21:50:02 you mean Kivy? Mar 13 21:50:23 kivy uses gevent not twisted iirc Mar 13 21:50:31 but I could be wrong Mar 13 21:50:53 no, I mean twisted and pygame. (I said "I think" so if you're curious, ask him directly) Mar 13 21:51:26 ah I might have to Mar 13 21:52:13 PuffTheMagic: ping, pm whenever you're around Mar 13 21:52:35 ? Mar 13 21:53:04 jrabbit, twisted is not horrid Mar 13 21:53:07 twisted is great Mar 13 21:53:21 and i do have twisted and pygame working nicely Mar 13 21:53:34 it doesn't follow python style :P Mar 13 21:53:43 checkout http://kivy.org/#home though Mar 13 21:54:13 they've been working on a mutlitouch stack for python and have it shipping on android, IOS and desktop Mar 13 21:54:33 sure it does, the twisted devs are probably the purist python devs out there Mar 13 21:54:58 multitouch stack for python? Mar 13 21:55:03 u talking about the pygame? Mar 13 21:55:05 and sdl Mar 13 21:55:11 and sdl 1.3 with multitouch? Mar 13 21:55:14 yes Mar 13 21:55:21 what about it Mar 13 21:55:26 webos has it too Mar 13 21:55:30 lol Mar 13 21:56:40 Twisted is older than the pythonic standards but its not really why its gross **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 22:04:38 2012 Mar 13 22:05:16 just bad code. Mar 13 22:08:21 jrabbit, u saying people who use twisted write bad code or twisted itself is bad code Mar 13 22:09:35 twisted is bad stylistically Mar 13 22:09:54 and it can impart really bad habits that break pep8 and the zen of python Mar 13 22:11:52 like what? Mar 13 22:16:48 camel case etc Mar 13 22:17:15 camelcase is good or bad? Mar 13 22:17:41 bad in python Mar 13 22:18:36 <- not a python guy Mar 13 22:18:42 <- sometimes forgets to camelcase in java Mar 13 22:19:01 i dont really care about style Mar 13 22:19:06 as long as its consistent Mar 13 22:22:10 that's my feeling Mar 13 22:22:45 "A lisp programmer can program lisp in any language" Mar 13 22:22:54 I tend to remember to do it with methods, but sometimes forget for variables Mar 13 22:33:26 jrabbit: no we can't Mar 13 22:33:47 aside from greenspun's tenth rule **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 14 00:54:05 2012 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 14 02:59:58 2012